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MEETING BETWEEN MINISTER(DS) AND LORD HILL-NORTON

UFOs

I accept that there are strange phenomena to be seen in the

sky, however I believe there to be adequate explanations for them. Experience has shown that most reported sightings can be attributed

to things such as aircraft, meteorological balloons or natural phenomena like ball lightning.

Of course there are many other

equally straightforward explanations. number of cases where a

However, trrere are a small

simple explanation cannot be found

immediately and on these occasions we are careful to ensure so far as possible that that they are of no Defence

sign~ficance.

Having

satisfied ourselves of this, as you know, we do not attempt any

further investigations.

Clearly some reports remain unexplained but

we have found no evidence that these phenomena represent a threat to national security and therefore cannot justify devoting Defence

resources to their investigation.

All reports received by the MOD are channelled through

Sec(AS)2.

They are passed to the Air Staff who examine them for Air

Def.nc. implications.

In some cases, where (on the face of it) there

cQuld be a defence interest, enquiries are made of relevant radar

s etc in order to obtain more information.

All reports

to the Defence Intelligence organisation who have a sightings of unusual objects

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The Flying Complaints Flight at Rudloe Manor are concerned

with receiving and investigating flying complaints.

In the course of

their duties they occasionally receive UFO reports (as do

units) but they have no

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other

role wiih regard to this subject.

Secretariat (Air Staff) is the Division which provides

secretariat support to CAS and the Air Staff and in this capacity is responsible for correspondence with members of the public and

answering PQs etc on many subjects, including

UFO’s.

Sec(AS)2 is the

branch which amongst other things handles UFO’s, there is no such

branch as Air Staff Secretariat

8. You may

be thinking of Defence

Secretariat 8 which no longer exists and from which Sec(AS) evolved

as a result of reorganisation of MOD last January.

Many of the UFO reports received in MOD come through Defence

establishments, although most of these come originally from members of the public.

Very few reports are made

military pilots;

for

instance, in the last 12 months Sec(AS) has received only two such

reports.

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No central record of radar recordings is kept.

Traffic Control units take recordings as a

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these are generally destroyed after 30 days.

Major Air

of course, however

ADGE units do not

regula1"’ly make reco1"’dings although some are occasionally made specific operational purposes.

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Col Haltâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s report of 13 Jan 81 concerns the sighting of unusual lights outside the back gate at RAF Woodbridge by two

security patrolmen.

Col Halt records what was subsequently reported

to him without comment.

The 3

patrolmen who went into Rendlesham

Forest to investigate what they thought might be a say they saw a

triangular object.

might have been a

size (about 9

crashed aircraft

It has been suggested that this

piloted vehicle, however in view of its reported

feet long and 6

considered highly unlikely.

feet high) this was! and still is,

Indeed enquiries made both at the time

and subsequently failed to reveal any radar trace of anything unusual

in the area at the time.

Col Halt also reports on his own investigations at the site of the incident the following day.

Once again he draws no conclusions

from his findings and, significantly, does not recommend further

investigation.

required.

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Our own view also was that no additional action was

Later on the night of 29 Dec 80 Col Halt and a number of

saw more unusual lights, but again we have no record of

anything untoward being picked up on radar.

I think you will agree that it is highly unlikely that any violation of

airspace would be heralded by such a display of 1y

that any reconnaissance or

announced in this way.

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. Overall, we believe that the fact that Col Halt did not report these occurrences to MOD for aLmost 2 weeks after the event, together with the relatively low key manner in which he handled the matter

(given resources available to him) are indicative of the degree of importance in defence terms which should be attached to the incident.

He himself took all investigative action which was required.

members of the public feel that for scientific or other reasons, there should be an attempt to establish the cause of what happened,

that is for them, but I am confident that it is not something in

which the MOD should or need become further involved.

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Early in the morning of 27 Dee 80 (apPt’o):iIlIJtely 0300L), tl’lO US^F security police patroln~el1 S \’; unusucJl lights outside the back gate at RAr \oIoodbridge. Thinking an aircraft. 1!light have cr shed 01~ been forced dOl’In, they called fo!’ perlllission to go outside the gate to invest~9ate. The on-duty flight chief }’esponded 2nd llo\’Ied three patr01n!:;:1 !:c; p;()_ c e e don f 00 The i n d i v i d u a 1 s t- e po n e d see i 11 gas a n 9 e 9 1 0 \’1 i n gob e c t j i nth e for The 0 b j e c t I’J d S des C t- i bed a s be i n 9 me tal i c i nap pea ran ce and triangular in shape, approximately two to three meters across the base and approximately tl’IO meters high. It illuminJted the entire forest \>/ith a \’Ihite light. The object itself had i1 pulsing red light on top iJnd a bank(s) of blue lights undcmeath. The was hovering or on legs. As the patrolmen approached the object, itobject maneuvered throllgrl the trees and disappeat’ed. f~t this time the animals on a nearb frenzy. The object was briefly sighted approximately an hourwent into a later near the back gate.

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2. The next day, three depressions 1 1/2" deep and 7" in found where the object had been sighted on the ground. Thediameter were following night (29 Dec 80) the area \’,as checked for radiation. [3eta/gamllla readings of 0.1 mi 11 iroentgens were recorded I’li th peak readings in the three depre s s ion san d n eat’ the c e n t e r 0 f the t ’" i a n g 1 e forme d by the de s s pre ion s. A nearby tree had moderate (.05-.07) readings on the side of the tree toward the depressions.

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3. Later in the night a red sun-l ike 1 ight seen through the trees. It nloved about and pulsed. At one point it appeared to throw off 910\’Jing particles an then broke into five sep rate objects and then disappeared. Immediately thereafter, thl"ee star-l ike objects wer-e noticed in the sky, two objec ts to the nOI-th and oDe to the south, a 11 of I’lh i ch were about off the hori~on. The objects moved rapidly in sharp angular mo v e me n t sand d i s p 1 aye d J- ed, g r e e n n d b 1 u e 1 i h t s . The [) 0 j e c t s toth e g north appeared to be elliptical througrl an 8-12 pOI’ler lens. They then turned to full circles. The objects to the no!"th remained in the sky for an hour or more, The object to the south was visible tl’IO or three for houl"s and beamed down a stream of light from time to time. Numerous individuals, including the undersigned, \’Iitnessed the activities in paragraphs 2 and

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Assuming, as I hope, that the Ministry of Defence does noi ignore the reports reaching it (and we have been told in reply to Parliamentary questions that they amount to some hundreds a year from civilian sources alone), what steps are taken by the Department to investigate them? In par-

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Are they dealt with solely ad hoc, using routine stafi channels? or is there some specialist group, either within the Whitehall establishment or elsewhere, whicr is charged with taking an expert view? If so, to whon do they report? And what is their composition? Do they include civilian advisers from outside your Department?

ii) What part is played, if any, by the Flying Complaints Flight at RAF Rudloe Manor? i i i) What part, if any, is played by Air Staff Secretariats 2 8?

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How many of the reports of unusual phenomena have been received from Defence establishments, including reports froIT the pilots of military aircraft? What material does your Department have of traces left on military radar or in photographic form either sorties by military aircraft or from ground-based or ship-based facilities?

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Can any such material be released either to me or to responsible persons outside your Department for purposes of scientific study?

In troubling you with these questions I am well aware that their subject matter has often been thought easy to ridicule, especially when associated with some of the wilder notions which ar current among the civilian research groups. I am not wedded to any particular theory myself. I do, on the other hand, believe that there is overwhelming evidence for a persistent phenomenon of a highly unusual character. This is, at the least, of considerable scientific interest; and I have not yet heard anything from your Department which convinces me that it is wholly without Defence significance. I would be reassured to know either that it is being adequately gripped as a Defence matter (and, if so, by precisely what means) or that material held by your Department can be release

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MEETING BETWEEN US of S(AF) AND LORD HILL-NORTON UFOs

I accept that there are strange phenomena to be seen in the sky, however I believe there to be adequate explanations for them. Experience has shown that most reported sightings can be attributed

to things such as aircraft, meteorological balloons or natural phenomena like ball lightning.

Of course there are many other

equally straightforward explanations.

However, there are a small

number of cases where a simple explanation cannot be found immediately and on these occasions we are careful to

are of no Defence significance.

ensur~that they

Having satisfied ourselves of this,

as you know, we do not attempt any further investigations.

Clearly

some reports’ remain unexplained but we have found no evidence that

these phenomena represent a threat to national security and therefore cannot justify devoting Defence resources to their investigation.

All reports received by the MOD are channelled through

Sec(AS)2.

They are passed to the Air Staff who examine them for Air

Defence implications.

In some cases, where (on the face of it) there

could be a defence interest, enquiries are made of relevant radar establishments etc in order to obtain more information.

All reports

are also passed to the Defence Intelligence organisation who have a

keen interest in any sightings of unusual objects.

We have no

specialist group in Wh tehall or anywhere else involved in UFO’s and o

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no civilian advisers}are involved:

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. The Flying Complaints Flight at Rudloe Manor are concerned with receiving and investigating flying complaints.

In the course of

their duties they occasionally receive UFO reports (as do many other

units) but they have no specific role with regard to this subject.

Secretariat (Air Staff) is the Division which provides secretariat support to CAS and the Air Staff and in this capacity is responsible for correspondence with members of the public and

answering PQs etc on many subjects, including UFOâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s.

Sec(AS)2 is the

branch which amongst other things handles UFOâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s, there is no such

branch as Air Staff Secretariat

8. You

may be thinking of Defence

Secretariat 8 which no longer exists and from which Sec(AS) evolved as a result of reorganisation of MOD last January.

Many of the UFO reports received in MOD come through Defence

establishments, although most of these come originally from members of the public.

Very few reports are made by military pilots;

for

instance, in the last 12 months Sec(AS) has received only one such

report.

[GE3 to provide advice please]

The ,Department is happy to release what information we have on

specific incidents.

However we could not justify the effort involved

in seardhing for or collating information of a more general nature.

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July 2006

West Sussex

sky that burst into four before ones, separate disa earin. Two flying objects were seen. Five dancing lights were seen.

12/11/2006

20:20

Petworth

West Sussex

30/09/2002

22:00

Exeter

Devon

30/09/2002

20:20

Exeter

Devon

The object had two neon blue lights at the rear. One ball of red, glowing

19/12/2002

06:30

Newton Abbott Devon

A strange object/light with

17:00

Ashburton Paignton

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28/07/2004

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30/03/2006

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Devon

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Devon

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light.

no sound. Two strange lights in the sky. Long single black cylinder type obiect about 200ft long. The object looks like a big white diamond on the

horizon. Obiect seen in the sky. The object looked like a telegraph pole. There was a huge ball of orange fire. Two round, stationary, oval lights were seen. Lights were seen. Just said a sighting. A blue light with a white light in the middle.

You may also wish to know that there is some information about UFOs available for public viewing. MOD files were routinely destroyed after 5 years until 1967 when they were generally preserved for The National Archives. A few have survived before 1967 and together with records up to 1977 are now available for public viewing. The National Archives can be contacted at Ruskin Avenue, Richmond, Kew, Surrey TW9 4DU or telephone, 020 8876 3444. The National Archives also have a website giving information about the records they hold and how to access them. This can be found on the internet at: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk. The Ministry of Defence Freedom of Information web site also contains some released information on UFOs. This can be accessed via the internet at: http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/FreedomOflnformationlPublicationScheme.

Ifyou are unhappy with this response or you wish to complain about any aspect ofthe handling of this request, then you should contact me in the first instance. If informal resolution is not possible and you are still dissatisfied then you may apply for an independent internal review by contacting the Director of Information Exploitation, 6th Floor, MOD Main Building, Whitehall, SW1A 2HB (e-mail InfoXD@mod.uk). Please note that any request for an internal review must be made within two calendar months ofthe date in which the attempt to reach informal resolution has come to an end.

you remain unhappy following an internal review, you may take your complaint to the Commissioner under the provisions of Section 50 of the Freedom of Information Please note that the Information Commissioner will not investigate the case until the internal review process has been completed. Further details of the role and powers of the Information Commissionerâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s website, the on found be can Commissioner http://www .intonnationcommissioner.gov.uk.

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