Familiarity with the Gnani boosts progress on the path to moksha

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Deepak Desai February 2009 Vol. : 4, Issue : 4 Conti. Issue No.: 40

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Publisher, Owner & Printed by : Deepak Desai on behalf of Mahavideh Foundation, 5, Mamtapark Soc., Usmanpura, Ahmedabad-380014 Gujarat, India.

EDITORIAL Chit (Subtle component of vision and knowledge in the inner functioning instrument called antahkaran) became impure due to ignorance (agnan— ignorance of the Self). Until the chit becomes pure how can one experience Atma—the Self? The solution to purify the chit is to have familiarity with the Gnani Purush. The Gnani Purush is the One who has experienced the Soul completely. He does not have a single parmanu (indivisible particle of an atom) of kashaya: anger-pride-deceit-greed, vishaya—sexual intent or predilection, mamatva—‘my-ness’ ahamkar— ego. It is a very rare opportunity to become familiar with such a Gnani Purush. When the vision of the worldly self changes with the help of the Gnani Purush, one’s wrong belief gets fractured and the right belief sets in. One becomes familiar with ‘swa—the Self’ and experiences ‘I am Shuddhatma—pure Soul’. After getting such an excellent opportunity what is left to do? One has to follow the five Agnas and understand the Gnan as much as possible by staying close to the Gnani. Just as the Gnani’s introduction is necessary to attain the Gnan—Self-realization, it is also necessary to have the familiarity with satsang. All the karma become weak through satsang and it becomes easy to follow the Agnas.

Having attained Gnan, you became free from the social contacts with the worldly people, yet it is worthwhile to have a deep inner intent to gain proximity to and familiarity with the Gnani and His satsang. The more you become familiar with a Gnani, the greater will be your benefit.

Agna is more important yet you can attain direct energies in live meetings with the Gnani Purush.

One spends the whole life to get familiar with sansar the worldly life so then why should one not keep the familiarity with the Gnani for one’s own salvation?

Once you got admitted in a medical college, does it mean that you have become a doctor?

Don’t you have to attend certain numbers of days in a year to attain the degree? How much time is being wasted to run the worldly life? And if you are doing a business then will it do if you do not attend the business? One has given importance to achieve relative things; similarly after attaining Self-realization it is necessary for one to spend three hundred hours in a year in a direct satsang for one’s spiritual progress. What if you do not take care of a tree after planting it? What if you do not water it? Similarly through the seed of the Knowledge—Gnan, a sapling has sprouted in the form of conviction—pratiti of Shuddhatma but for its growth, to reach up to the level of experience—anubhav it is extremely necessary to feed it the water of satsang.

In this compilation of the liberating speech of Dadashri, it is evident that for the attainment of the Self and thereafter for increasing the awareness as the Self, direct satsang with the Gnani Purush is necessary. Absolutely revered Dadashri says that that which cannot be attained even in a million life times is attained in just two hours with the grace of the Gnani. But it does not finish from just that point. By acquiring the right understanding of the purushartha real spiritual effort for proceeding from the second day of the moon to the full moon, to attain the stage of experience anubhav from the state of conviction pratiti of Shuddhatma, it is extremely important to attend direct satsang. It is our ardent prayer that we attain this secret from the heart of the Gnani Purush, and accomplish the spiritual endeavor purushartha that leads to the clear distinct experience of the Self. ~Deepak Desai

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Familiarity with the Gnani boosts progress on the path to moksha (Please note that ‘S’ for Self, or ‘Y’ for You, refers to the awakened one in Akram Vignan, or the eternal

Self. The ‘s’ for self refers to the worldly self. For a detailed glossary please see: www.dadashri.org/ glossary.html)

Experience of the Self means…

Questioner: When can we say that the experience of the Soul has happened?

Dadashri: When you have the conviction pratiti of the Self. When one is convinced that ‘I am pure Soul’ and that the belief ‘I am Chandulal’ turned out to be wrong; when this is experienced, then know that ignorance is gone.

What do Gnanis call the experience of the Self atmanubhav? Whatever was seen till yesterday is gone and one ‘sees’ something completely new. One was wandering for countless lives and in that relative state whatever was being seen is gone and now the new ‘real’ has begun to come in the Vision— inner vision of the Self. That which was visible become non-visible and that which was nonvisible became visible. The one who has the complete experience of the Self is called a Gnani Purush. He can give a description of the whole universe. He can give you answers to all questions. No matter what the topic, if someone asks questions about Khuda God of Muslims, Christ, Krishna or Mahavir, the Gnani is able to answer them.

The nispruhi—the one without any inner inclination and the speech of the vitarag— beyond attachment and abhorrence—Lords is strongly appealing to the heart. The initial simple way for the purification of the chit (subtle component vision and knowledge in the inner functioning instrument called antahkaran) is the introduction and the darshan direct visual contact and inner connection with the nispruhi person. And the ultimate solution is the darshan of the Gnani Purush. Except this there 2

is no other way of purification of chit in the worldly life.

Experience of bliss in the vicinity of Dada Questioner: We feel peace and the worldly desires leave by sitting with Dada so how does this happen? It is the energy of Dada, isn’t it?

Dadashri: It is not the energy of Dada.

If you sit next to a large slab of ice, you will feel cold, that is its nature, and it is not the energy of ice. Otherwise even the ice slab will scream that, ‘see, how cold I made him, it was because of me!’ Hey ice! What capacity do you have to make me cold? It is just your swabhav nature. So this happens to you because of ‘our—(referring to the Gnani Purush and the fully enlightened Lord within)’ swabhav—real nature.

‘We’ do not have a single parmanu (indivisible particle of atom) of vishaya sexuality. We do not have a single parmanu of mamata ‘my-ness’, so then where there is no mamata, there is no ahamkar ego then what else will be there? Therefore the one who sits with me, his kalyan salvation is done.

One can attain an extraordinary benefit through Gnani’s familiarity You have got so much benefit from becoming familiar parichaya with me. This is unprecedented benefit. This gain is so wonderful that you have not even heard about it before.

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in his khyal remembrance. That laksha awareness will not set in at all. He will himself keep the aim to remember; just as if you have a business then you have to keep a target for your business, don’t you? Similarly in Kramic path one has to keep the aim of the Self that the Self is like this. And that too, only when pratiti the conviction sets in, then he can remain in such awareness; he will have conviction on the attributes of the Self.

However this ours is called Atmanubhav—the experience of the Self. This is because sahajata naturalness is that which happens with ease and naturally and that is what happens here in the Akram Path. And where one has to make an effort then that is not called experience. In Kramic path one has to set the conviction and all that. One has to make an effort to set pratiti conviction in the Kramic path.

Your experience of the Self atmanubhav according to your viewpoint is right too, it is not wrong. But it is partial experience. And through Akram path you have attained this experience naturally so You will get benefit in this, but your experience will increase as You progress. As the jagruti awakened awareness increases, after that, you will have to know the whole thing. You will have to understand all this Gnan by staying in extra familiar satsang with the Gnani. You do not have to do anything. But that which has arisen through ignorance agnan needs to be destroyed through knowledge—Gnan. Once the inner agitation of the pudgal non-Self complex of mind, speech and body stops, you will gain the experience of the Self. Even during a stroke and paralyzed state, when the bliss does not vanish then it is called experience of the Self. During intense hunger within, a severe headache, or severe external difficulties, when inner shata bliss prevails, then that is the February 2009

experience of the Self. Experience of the Self atmanubhav can turn even misery into happiness and a mithyatvi—the one with the wrong belief, will see misery even in happy circumstances. This is because of drashtipher— his vision is in the wrong direction. He does not see things as they are; he sees just the opposite. Only the vision needs to be changed. Otherwise, even if you do hundreds of thousands of rituals, your reward will only be a worldly life. The vision needs to be changed.

The vision can change through Gnani’s familiarity Questioner: How does the vision begin to change?

Dadashri: The change of vision begins when one meets the Gnani Purush and one’s vision changes gradually as one listens to the Gnani’s satsang. At this time as you are listening to this satsang, your vision will change little at a time. Thus as you become familiar to a certain extent, in a month or two, the vision changes.

Or else you should ask the Gnani Purush, ‘Sir, please grace me and change my vision’, then He can change it for you in a day or within an hour only.’

Once your vision becomes the Vision of the the Gnani then the work is done! For this, you have to stay in the parichaya—close association and familiarity with the Gnani Purush.

Method of bringing about the settlement How is this vision? If you press a finger on one of your eyes then you will be see two lights instead of only one. If only little pressure comes on your eye will you not see two lights?

Now actually there is only one light. Yet it appears two. If you are drinking tea then also many times one circle in a saucer appears as 3

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two circles. What is the reason for this? It is because there are two eyes, and the actual input of the visual information is distorted, and therefore everything looks double. These eyes see that too and that inner eyes—information processing site ‘sees’ that too, but that is mithya drashti wrong vision. Therefore it shows wrong—all associated with wrong belief. If it shows the right, if the vision is right, associated with right belief, then one becomes free from all miseries that are externally induced upadhi. Vitarag Vignan—the science of absolutism is such that it can destroy all the miseries, this science is verily such that it can make one free from all the miseries. And the Science is verily such, science is always that brings forth action. Therefore after knowing this science, it will continue to work, you do not have to do anything. As long as you have to do anything, it is intellect in operation. And as long there is intellect, ego is there. And as long as there is ego, you will not be able to bring about settlement even if you want to.

Egoism is verily adharma that which is not its true nature—not in its religion, and where there is no egoism there verily is dharma true nature of a thing, its religion. It is impossible to decrease egoism without the presence of a living Gnani.

Suspicion perpetuates because of ignorance When does suspicion arise? If a person reads too many scriptures, it creates projections of intellect, which leads to entanglements and confusion. That confusion leads to suspicions and they will not let him come out of the worldly life. Suspicions arise from the familiarity of reading scriptures for many life times. Therefore the more one reads, the more it troubles him. This kind of knowing, the Lord has referred to as ‘overwiseness’.

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Intellect takes the right path when one becomes familiar with the Gnani In the presence of the ego the inner light of knowledge is in the form of intellect. Intellect is par-prakashak—that which illuminates the non-self so it will not let you see your true Self even if you want to. Why is this intellect called viparit – wrong intellect? It is because it is not swabhavik natural intellect. It is not swabhavik means it is sansaranugami leading towards worldly life therefore it is called viparit wrong intellect. It can make you wander, in the cycles of life after life, in sansar worldly life. One may have gone to the celestial life form but again he has to come back in the animal life form and become a donkey. One has to keep wandering like this in four life forms. So the intellect is such that can make you wander in four life forms.

That which shows happiness in material comforts is called viparit buddhi deluded, wrong intellect and that which shows happiness either in mokshamarg—path of liberation or in the Self—Atma is called samyak buddhi right intellect (used for the good of the self and the Self). There is tremendous force of viparit buddhi. That is why to make your intellect right we give you answers to your questions and you get the solution, you get all kinds of solutions.

The viparit buddhi has to be made samyak. How can this viparit buddhi become samyak? If one sees only one person who has samyak buddhi, then the one who has viparit buddhi will know that he is wrong. So he will turn as soon as he sees that. It cannot change by telling, by giving updesh instruction from a higher level; it cannot change by giving advice or instruction at all. It can change only by ‘seeing’.

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have samyak buddhi only, he may not have viparit buddhi, is it not possible?

Dadashri: How can one get that samyak buddhi? When can one get samyak buddhi? He should have met a Gnani or samyak buddhi must have arisen from his previous life, otherwise one cannot have samyak buddhi.

Questioner: But what if viparit buddhi decreases and samyak buddhi increases?

Dadashri: From where can one bring samyak buddhi? Samyak buddhi is not a mine. Samyak buddhi is a plated ‘gilded’ thing.

It is like plating on the intellect. And only the Gnani Purush can do that ‘plating with gilding’.

‘We—the Gnani Purush,’ put the gold plating on your intellect, then it will become samyak, otherwise until then it is called viparit buddhi.

When you sit with the Gnani Purush in satsang spiritual discussions, nurture the familiarity with Him, then that viparit buddhi becomes samyak. You sit with me, and you keep listening to this satsang then this very same buddhi turns. It becomes samyak and samyak buddhi will not make you emotional.

This buddhi intellect will work so beautifully and with such thoughts that will take you to moksha. That intellect can help you. Until then this is a viparit buddhi with which a human being is simply unconscious and unaware, not a single living being has any sense—awareness of the Self, to the slightest extent. What is the purpose of wandering life after life? Why does one take birth? What is life? Why does one eat, or drink? There is no sense of the awareness of this at all. The world sleeps with open eyes just like that. How can one afford this? Those born in India, sleep with open eyes, how can we afford this?

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circumstance arises, you can ask all such things here. Then I can give you the solution. If you do not have this Gnan—knowledge of the Self, you can get solution through samyak buddhi but only if you had heard this before. At that time my words will be present. This is because our vachanbud energy of speech is there so the words will present there.

Words reach the Self by breaking the veil Questioner: Any person who comes to Dada, he has to first understand this Dada’s Gnan through his intellect, does he not? Does one transcend the intellect after taking Dada’s Gnan?

Dadashri: After that the control of intellects stops. Thereafter pragnya liberating energy and the light of the Self takes the control. It is the nature of pragnya to take You to liberation moksha; pragnya keeps cautioning You and alerting You. The one who comes here to understand spirituality, does not understand through intellect. No one can understand through intellect from Me at all. This is because the words that I speak, touches your Soul after breaking the veils and then you understand.

Otherwise whatever I speak, intellect cannot analyze at all. On the contrary intellect can get tired. The intellect can harass you. You should not use that intellect in this. It is not necessary at all.

Whatever I speak, these words are such that can break the veils. So these words reach the Self after shattering the veil and I am saying that if your Self agrees then only accept it.

And your Self does agree to this. So now intellect remains far away in this.

Questioner: So after taking Dada’s Gnan, mahatmas (those who are Self-realized in Akram Path) want to come to Dada again and again, is it through pragnya or intellect?

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Dadashri: It is not the function of either intellect or pragnya. The functions of pragnya and intellect buddhi are different. Certain role is there of pragnya. That which brings you here is the role of punyai merit karma.

Questioner: Yes, that is correct but that again will happen only if pragnya plays the role, will it not?

Dadashri: If pragnya plays the role, then all the mahatmas should come, shouldn’t all? However all are not able to come to satsang. Are they not saying that my merit karma punyai falls short? If pragnya is responsible then all should able to come, shouldn’t all?

Circumstance of meeting a Gnani depends on merit karma This circumstance of your meeting me is dependent on your merit karma. What can ‘we’ do if your merit karma punyai falls short?

And if you take it for granted that ‘I definitely want these circumstances’, then what can happen? You will get hurt. You may hurt get badly. Enjoy the bliss of the time that you have had with ‘Me’, and be aware that it is due to the unfolding of the merit karma. Do you believe that you get this evidence as per your wish?

Questioner: It is not like that.

Dadashri: Then? Is it justice or injustice?

Questioner: It is verily lawful.

Dadashri: What can happen if you just take it for granted? It is just that once in a while when your merit karma awakens then only you will be able to meet ‘us.’ You will realize that when you will be separated. So if you had experienced in the situation when you were separated from me, then you will not have any problem, will you?

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Can you become free from karma with the tendency of escapism? If I am in Vadodara, you too are in Vadodara; even then your karma will not let you meet me. This Gnan is the given Gnan. When and whatever comes along, that is Vyavasthit—scientific circumstantial evidence and settle it with equanimity. This is the only thing.

You will have time to meet Dada, as long as you have punyai merit karma. You should be thankful for your punyai. Will this be forever? How can you expect that?

Being familiar with the Gnani is verily moksha The only reason to meet Dada is to get the work done speedily. And if one were to travel along with me for six months, his work will be done, no? He gets established with speed. With satsang—the company of the eternal or that which upholds it, all the karma become weak—lose their hold over you.

This makes it easier to follow and remain in Agnas.

So far how many hours have gone for us to be familiar with each other, tell me?

Mainly all this is familiarity with worldly people, for that we used to spend the whole life. We used to spend time to attain moksha.

But here you get cash moksha. We used to spend whole life for that other path of moksha, and that may go on the wrong track at anytime.

So for this Akram Path, don’t you need familiarity?

We attain Gnan that means we became free from worldly acquaintances. Yet we should have such deep inner intent that we should get Gnani’s acquaintance continuously, as much as possible. Your benefit is proportional to this familiarity parichaya with the Gnani.

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health remains a little weak so I cannot take benefit of Dada (The Gnani and the satsang) and that is an obstruction.

Dadashri: It is like this that as many days you get the benefit of this Dada, it is all right. So you must take benefit of Dada and satsang as much as you can. You must come the time he visits here. Until he returns, You should remain in niddidhyasan—contemplation of the Gnani. Dada means who? Dada will be present through niddidhyasan, but Agna (Gnani’s instructions that sustain the enlightened state after the Gnan Vidhi) is the main-real Dada. You must keep the big goal of following Agnas only; nothing else is required to do.

What you see, he is not Dada. ‘We’ (The Gnani and the fully enlightened Lord within) have become separated from this Dada (A. M. Patel). When you remember then ‘Dada’ will be with you only.

Questioner: Have you become separated from this Dada too?

Dadashri: I remain separate, that is why you all get benefit. Who ever remembers here, that is theirs. We are saying that, ‘brother, ‘We’ are separate’. This Dada (A. M. Patel) is not that Dada (Dada Bhagwan, the fully manifested Lord within). This is a ‘public trust’!

Who ever got, it is his. It is not in even ‘Our’ hand.

One forgets worldly life when its familiarity leaves I have forgotten the worldly life. I do not even know how to sign my name. I have not written anything for fifteen to twenty years and therefore I have forgotten how to write.

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familiarity. Therefore, familiarity of worldly life should leave. General worldly interaction vyavahar is not a problem. The problem lies in its familiarity.

Questioner: All the interferences dakho happen due to familiarity with the worldly life, do they not?

Dadashri: If you became free from interference then what can obstruct you even if all sitting around you were to create interference? ‘We’ are basically without any interference. The interference will leave verily through ‘our’ presence. The ‘One’ whose dwelling place is in ‘Atma—the Self’ only, what problem does ‘He’ have? Vyavahar—worldly interaction does not hinder the one who remains the Self.

Questioner: The mind will continue to go where there is fear.

Dadashri: ‘You’ have nothing to do with the mind. If people in the next room are arguing and fighting, what has that got to do with You? That is how the mind, intellect, chit and ego are; like being in the next room. What have You got to do with them? ‘You’ have to just observe them. If they are related to you for seven generations then you have to be concerned with them.

You have become Shuddhatma after attaining this Gnan. You had experience of ignorance since time immemorial; and that ignorance continues to resurface. To that You should say, ‘I am not going to listen to you no matter how much you scream.’ Still, that experience of time immemorial, that habit does not go away.

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and reaction. A Self-realized person does not have adversary bhaav. With Self-realization, there may be an asar effect, but one does not bind karma! And when Your highest spiritual effort parakram arises, you will not be affected at all. What happens in an affected state? In such a state, if someone curses or insults you, you may feel ‘Why did he even say that to me?’ This is what happens. Parakram on the other hand says, ‘You must be at fault, which is why he spoke to you this way. You are at a loss because you do not know how to deal with him.’ When You talk to your own self in this manner, you will come to know and experience the Self. You will have the experience of sitting in Your own seat; the seat of the pure Self. But here you immediately get off your seat. This happens because it has been your familiarity parichaya of infinite past lives and also because of pending suffering that remains.

Questioner: But it does not remain constant when I am busy in the office.

The divine vision blossoms through practice

Questioner: At that time the entire meditation—natural attention dhyan will remain completely in that transaction only.

Will you use divya chakshu divine vision of the Self when you go out? You are familiar with agnan ignorance from the time immemorial, so diligent application of this Vision will begin the process of seeing the Self by being the Self.

Familiarity of the Gnani How long does the laksha awareness as the Self remain ‘in’ You? Questioner: It remains all the time.

Dadashri: It will remain constantly.

The one who has kept more familiarity with ‘Me’, will have constant awareness. This is because this is the experiential knowledge of the Self. The laksha awareness as the SelfI am the Self—is established so it will remain continuously.

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Dadashri: When you are busy in work then awareness (I am the Self) laksha does not remain, but at that time it is in Your pratiti conviction!

Questioner: Gnan does not prevail and present when the situation arises, but it presents later, so then what should I understand? Is it deficiency in the understanding, weakness in purushartha spiritual effort or absence of jagruti awakened awareness?

Dadashri: There is no absence of awareness jagruti, weakness of purushartha or deficiency in understanding in this. Only thing is that at that time the Gnan will not remain present. Say for instance if you are doing a transaction of an account with someone, at that time laksha will never stay. How will it stay at that time?

Dadashri: At that time laksha awareness will not remain so you will feel that you became one with the non-Self within, however pratiti conviction does not leave.

Pratiti will remain continuously for sure.

Questioner: So when that task is over, I return to the original swaroop state of the Self ?

Dadashri: There is a constant link of pratiti conviction,’ that is why You return to the original state of the Self, otherwise you will not. It is a continuous link, it is a continuous pratiti conviction, and therefore it is called kshaayak samkit—permanent attainment of ‘I am the Self’; continuous link of the right belief. (The log of wood of kashayas has burnt completely and turned to ashes in kshaayak February 2009

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samkit, it is smoldering in some areas and covered with ashes in kshayposham samkit, and it is smoldering in upsham samkit).

Because of this continuous conviction once the interaction with the other person is over, you return to ‘I am Shuddhatma’ again, become the Self, and that verily is laksha. Having returned to laksha if one happens to run into ekaant the solitary location where there is no kashaya, then experience anubhav may come-arise too. As one ‘tastes’ the juice of experience anubhav rasa the experience of the natural state of the Self (Atma swabhav), one then experiences and prevails vartey in that experience anubhav, that awareness laksha,, and that pratiti conviction. One does not go down from these three steps. This is with continuous indelible conviction. In Kramic path pratiti conviction, ‘I am the Self’ would be kshayopsham changing like a log on fire.

For a moment the pratiti conviction will be blazing and then at another time it will be gone.

In a moment it may have been upsham smoldering and in a moment it would have been kshaya annihilated and this one in Akram path is continuous kshaayak pratiti indelible conviction. Pratiti will not leave at any moment of the day. The continuous, ‘I am Shuddhatma—I am pure Self’ conviction will not leave at any time in the entire life. And before Gnan the pratiti ‘I am Chandulal’ was there for twenty-four hours. That conviction would simply not leave. Did you have the conviction ‘I am Chandulal’ for twenty-four hours, before?

manager’ and ‘I am this’ and ‘I am that’, all this used to remain within.

Dadashri: That pratiti is the wrong belief; it is called mithyatva. And this pratiti is called right belief; it is called samyaktva or samyak darshan right Vision. Do You see now that this samyak darshan has been established and in addition it is kshaayak indelible-eternal?

Questioner: In a way, from within, I do have the exact understanding that I am separate from within, it appears proper in understanding but sometimes it feels as if it gets mixed up.

Dadashri: No, not like that. If someone asks you, ‘are you Chandulal or Shuddhatma?’ then what will you say?

Questioner: Shuddhatma. I do not have any doubt in that at all.

Dadashri: Then you have to say that only. Other than that You do not have to be concerned with whether it stays or not. You do not have to see any such thing at all. You have to ‘see’ only that which is in Your conviction.

Questioner: With reference to pratiti, having met Dada, everything has become solid and indelible.

Dadashri: Continuously, all twenty-four hours? Even for a little while was there any conviction of, ‘I am the Self?’

Dadashri: That is all, you have to ‘see’ that much only. You do not need to see that other thing at all. It is a continuous link of conviction that is why the laksha awareness that never leaves—has been established, otherwise you cannot maintain laksha awareness. Laksha will not establish at all.

When you talk to somebody at that time you will lose the awareness but once the conversation is over, the awareness returns.

Questioner: No, no. ‘I am a general

This continuous link of conviction,

Questioner: Yes, before it was like that only.

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kshaayak samkit—permanent conviction of ‘I am the Self’; continuous link of the right belief, kshaayak samyak darshan— establishment of permanent right vision, is one attribute out of eight attributes of siddha Bhagwan – absolute liberated Self. So 1/8th state of the siddha arises here.

So conviction should be established.

When the conviction of ‘Who I am,’ becomes established then You become free. Conviction pratiti means you got the visa (Gnan Vidhi) for moksha and then later when you get the ticket (Five Agnas) the solution is attained. If there is no ticket then it is trouble, if you do not have a visa then also there is trouble. When you got both and the date is confirmed, then you will leave. If on that date the task is not accomplished then you have to arrange for another day. It proceeds when these two, the visa and the ticket are there.

The beauty and marvel of company of the Self, due to conviction The conviction pratiti ‘I am the Self, ’ becomes indelibly established on the day after the day of the Gnan Vidhi in Akram Vignan.

Does not conviction establish the next day?

Questioner: Yes, it does become established.

Dadashri: Then what more do you need than that? There is not any thing else in this world that can establish the conviction of the Self on the next day.

Questioner: Dada, some one may attain this pratiti conviction just by reading the scriptures too, no?

Dadashri: No. That is not called conviction pratiti.

Questioner: Dada’s Aptavani the words of the One who is free from all kashaya and the non-Self, and hence absolutely pure 10

and Aptasutra—aphorisms of the pure One are such that if someone has not met Dadashri, even then they feel like they have attained conviction.

Dadashri: That conviction is the conviction of intellect; it is not called this original conviction. That will not help at all. There is no telling when it will change. It gives one certificate now and after two hours it will give another certificate. Pratiti means that which will not change again, that is called conviction pratiti. This conviction is established within you. Pratiti is that which will not leave its place. After then again when you get so much beating, it pratiti may sway this way, sway that way (like a strong bamboo in strong winds), but it will not leave its place.

‘We’ have given that same conviction to You. No matter how much pressure arises from the worldly life, you may get extreme horrific pressures, even a hangman’s noose in front of you will not make Your conviction, ‘I am pure Self,’ leave. This conviction is a sanatan eternal thing. This thing is not like faith shraddha; that faith might leave tomorrow morning. Conviction will not leave. Assertion and assurance khatari may shift away, but conviction will not shift.

Prati + Eeti, the word eeti applies to Atma—the Self. Just as they say neti (not that, not this) na-eeti (na – not, no; eeti – this), na-eeti; similarly eeti applies to Atma— the Self. pratiti means ‘this is that—I am That’, the conviction. Except for Atma—the Self, this word pratiti cannot be spoken for anything else or at other place in the world.

And pratiti never leaves once it is established.

Even if someone were to kill you it will never leave. He—the one who has taken Gnan may even say, ‘ I do not have any faith in you at all, it is like this, it is like that. One may speak crazy or emotionally charged words; even then the established pratiti will not leave. This is February 2009

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kshaayak pratiti indelible conviction. It is no ordinary thing! It is the indelible conviction kshaayak pratiti that Lord Krishna had attained! Once stuck, it is stuck (established)!

Why is it that after just a couple of hours the mahatma one who has received Gnan, does not leave ‘My’ sang—Company—of the Self, the Gnani? There has not been any extended familiarity with me, so therefore this is the expressing illuminating energy prataap of pratiti conviction. The poor fellow may even become hostile with me if his karma unfolds in that manner. I do understand that, but his pratiti will not leave.

Questioner: So one has a very firm assurance khatari, is that called conviction pratiti?

Dadashri: Assurance means promise.

How long can it take to break a promise?

This is a pratiti conviction! And which pratiti ‘we’ have placed You in? Not only is this in conviction, ‘we’ have established ‘You’ in a gaadha pratiti intense conviction. Lord Tirthankaras were in avagaadha pratiti absolute conviction, totally immersed in the state of the Self.

‘We’ have avagaadha pratiti absolute conviction. Well, ‘we’ are not a Tirthankara but ‘we’ have avagaadha pratiti. ‘We’ have established You in gaadha intense conviction.

And in Kramic path—step-by-step path to Self-realization, one progresses through conviction of the word, in this Akram path the conviction is through experience. Thereafter all the attributes manifest, one can see the signs of forgiveness kshama, humility namrata, straightforwardness saradata, and contentment santosh. All the attributes would be evident.

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Questioner: It has changed a lot.

Dadashri: It is so because the conviction has been established. Humility also would be evident to You that before you were not humble, the arrogance akkadaai of the arrogant one akkada has somehow decreased!

The saradata straightforwardness existed within, but it takes a good man to to take you there. Then you did not have santosh satisfaction, now at least some satisfaction has arisen, has it not? Some santosh has arisen, no? If you say that it is under the control of Vyavasthit then it is called satisfaction and if you say ‘I am the doer’, then there will be dissatisfaction.

Bhaav karma through doership ‘I am a doer’ to keep that bhaav— inner vision is karta bhaav, and then whatever happens that is called bhaav karma charge, cause karma. ‘I am the doer of this’, is bhaav karma. Bhokta bhaav is to hold that , ‘I am suffering (the pleasure or the pain)’After this Gnan, we are not suffering with the intent of being a sufferer (charging ego), we are suffering with the intent of doing settlement (discharging ego). ‘I am not the doer, Vyavasthit is the doer,’ it has set like that, hasn’t it? Then what after that? Then bhaav karma dissipate and are gone.

The force of circumstances changes the belief and one becomes the doer Questioner: Who is affected by bhaav karma, I want to understand that a little bit.

Who does the bhaav karma?

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nothing happens to its Gnan. It only happens to belief.

Now why bhaav karma happens? The answer is, the Self is able to ‘see’ and ‘know’.

But in this samsaran marg—the path of evolution of the embodied being jiva , the circumstances which came together, all those six eternal elements, because of them, veils arise, in which the Self is blind folded. Out of the eight dravya karma - discharge karma wherein charged atoms become a veil of ignorance, the four categorized as knowledgedeluding karma (gnanavaraniya), visiondeluding karma (darshanavaraniya), illusionary attachment karma (mohaniya), karma of obstacles (antaraya), blind the Self.

And the other four karma, karma of name and physical attributes (naam roop), karma of heritage and status (gotra), karma of suffering (vedaniya) and karma of life span (ayushya), have to be suffered through the body.

In dravya karma, the four karma cause the blindfolding and due to that everything looks ‘upside down- topsy-turvy’ and everything goes on in the wrong direction. To believe the self as the Self, is bhaav karma. To believe the non-Self as the Self, ‘I am Chandulal,’ is bhaav karma. When ‘we’ give you Gnan in the Gnan Vidhi the blindfolds are removed.

Then one begins to walk straight. But really who is the doer of that bhaav karma? The answer is, it is ahamkar—I did it, the ego. It is that the one who suffers. The Self does not suffer in this.

Satsang breaks the veils Questioner: I have not understood exactly about that bhaav (existence and it belongs to the one who projects, the vyavahar atma the worldly self, ‘I am Chandulal’ where ‘I’ is in the wrong location; identifying the relative self as the real Self) yet.

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Dadashri: The causes of this entire life arise in the form of veils in the next life. In the form of veils, which impede clear Vision. If it is little bit green then it appears green, if it is yellow then it appears yellow. So varieties of bhaav will arise in people.

Questioner: So then this dravya karma discharge karma, effect karma becomes the cause for the next life, does it not?

Dadashri: The cause of the next life is verily the blindfold paato, the veil (dravya karma). It is that which blinds the Self. That is why one makes the bhaav (subtlest intent), otherwise Atma – the Self never does any bhaav.

Questioner: Dada, only the pratishthit atma the relative self, discharging self does the bhaav, does it not? Shuddhatma—pure Self will not do any bhaav, will it?

Dadashri: In fact even pratishthit atma does not do any bhaav at all.

Shuddhatma does not do any bhaav either. It is just that the one who believes that ‘I am Chandubhai’ that vyavahar atma the worldly self does the bhaav. Pratishthit atma the current energized non-Self complex existing in the form of overt discharge and subtle charge has arisen through bhaav ‘I am Chandulal,’ only. If there were no bhaav then pratishthit atma would not have arisen at all.

It is verily these ‘wrong ‘seeing’ veils’ that are the problematic obstructions. Now what exactly are they? They are the result, the fruits of past life accounts, and they verily blind us again and make us see the wrong and the opposite.

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the cause is powerful then the effect will be powerful. If the cause is weak then effect will be weak.

When ‘we’ give this Gnan, then most parts of these veils avaran are destroyed, removed. But some people cannot digest this within. The science is not digested. One will keep getting solution as it is digested. It will not be digested immediately, will it? But if one remains in satsang then his work can be done with ease. This is because the satsang is such a thing that one’s veil would continue to break day by day, however parichaya familiarity is necessary.

What if the right water is not sprinkled after sowing the seeds?

Questioner: Even after taking Gnan, to bring forth and hold the idea that,‘I am Shuddhatma, ’ appears a little difficult.

Dadashri: No, you do not have to recall and hold; it will come by itself. So what do you have to do for that? You have to come back and forth to ‘Me’. The water of satsang that is necessary is not getting sprinkled. That is why all this becomes difficult. What can happen to your business if you do not pay attention?

Questioner: It will go down.

Dadashri: Yes, this is also like that. You took Gnan so now you have to nurture the seeding that has grown with water of satsang, and then the plant will grow. If a planted sapling is small, then you have to water it. So ‘we’ would water it a little in a month or two months.

Questioner: We do spray water at home on our own.

Dadashri: No, if you water at home then it will not work that way. Will it work?

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The Gnani has arrived in your vicinity and you have no value at all! Did you go to school or not? How many years had you gone to school?

Questioner: Ten years.

Dadashri: Then what did you learn in the school? Language! You spent ten years to learn this English and I am asking you to spend only six months with me. If you travel—tag along six months after Me, then You can accomplish Your work.

Firm resolve can break the obstruction Questioner: The programs for my worldly relative work have been decided so it is difficult to come here to satsang.

Dadashri: If your inner intent is strong then the other will break. You just have to ‘see’ whether your intent is strong or weak inside. You have to remain gnata-drashta— knower-seer of that.

The guarantee of profit in the worldly life through satsang All businessmen who come here, they all are very wealthy. And if they go at their shop an hour late then they can lose five hundred to thousand rupees. So I said, ‘you will not lose as much, for the time you spend here and if you will stop for half an hour at the shop in the middle of the way then you will lose. If you come here then it is ‘My’ responsibility. This is because I do not have any interaction of give and take leva-deva in this satsang. You have come here for your Atma—Self only. That is why I am telling everybody that if you will come here then you will not lose anything in any way.’

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harass them too. Intellect will bother this way, that way. But they do not leave ‘us’ at all.

It is like that; no one will leave this state of Shuddhatma, will anyone? You should not leave this state even if someone were to beat you repeatedly here, with verbal tongs everyday.

Out of World wonders of Dada’s Satsang If the effects of udaya unfolding of karma come very heavy then you should understand that this udaya unfolding is difficult, therefore remain in peace and calm. When the udaya is very difficult and heavy then try to cool it down by remaining in satsang only. Such things go on. There is no telling what kind of karma will unfold.

When you sit here then even if you do not do anything the changes will continue to happen within, because this is satsang. Sat eternal means Atma—the Self, sang company, of That. This is the manifest Sat, so if you sit in the company of this Sat, then it is considered the ultimate satsang. All other satsangs are there but they are not ultimate. This is Bombay Central, after this the train will not go any further!

Questioner: What is the way to increase extra jagruti Self-awareness?

Dadashri: It is just that you have to remain in satsang.

Questioner: When someone sits with you for six months then sthool overt changes occur within him, then sookshma subtle changes occur, is that what you are saying?

Dadashri: Yes, changes will continue to happen just by sitting here.

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problems in the external world part are gone, only the internal problems remain! After then if satsang happens again then internal trouble part would also go away. If both are finished then he became complete. Therefore one should attain this parichaya familiarity with the Gnani. Two hours, three hours, five hours. You get benefit as many hours you credit in satsang.

People take up the understanding that after attaining Gnan, they do not have any work left to do. But change has not happened at all.

Questioner: What self-interest should mahatmas keep for attaining the absolute state?

Dadashri: As much as possible one should spend his life with Dada that is the only self-interest. Anywhere, day or night but one needs to stay near Dada only. One should stay in the vicinity of Dada.

Questioner: The satsang, which we are doing, does it go in the section of merit karma punyai or in the section of pure shuddha karma?

Dadashri: Those who have become shuddha pure, have become absolutely free vimukta from ego, for them it will go in the section of the shuddha pure only. And for the one who has the ego that, ‘I am this’, and as long as that exists, and wants the fruit of this, then only the merit karma effect punyai will be there. And if one behaves according to this then he can even attain liberation. However, when desiring a fruit, an effect, in this matter, one binds a very high order of merit karma punyai. Is it an ordinary thing to listen about the true Self and establish a little or more faith in it?

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whatsoever. What is this talk going on about?

Here there is no talk about the worldly life in the slightest extent at all, there is no part of the worldly life in this talk at all, not even a cent percent.

Make a string for moksha by attaining the pearls Questioner: Many times question arises in my mind that after coming in to your parichaya familiarity and closeness, what else do I have to do now?

Dadashri: You just have to know all about the Gnan, that lets You know where you are stuck. But such circumstance sanjog may not come about everyday. That Gnan, that speech is not such a thing that if you try to get it out now, it will come forth. This is because this speech is a taped record.

Whatever taped record is expressing will express—come out. So if you come here more often, then that talk will come out. You get that Gnan on that day.

You have to attain the understanding for your safe side here, for once and all. Alas!

Whatever ‘we’ say, one cannot completely understand even that completely. One tends to filter—separate with discrimination, according to one’s own strainer—intellect.

Questioner: Whatever we understand and if we believe it to be true then will it not go wrong?

Dadashri: You cannot rest believing it as the truth. Whatever benefit you get in your mind, is correct. And you cannot give this answer to someone else.

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correct. It depends on the strainer, that which strains the beneficial from all. So one should enquire for one’s own sake and get the understanding. ‘What is this? I want to understand. I have this difficulty.’ You need to understand all that.

One has to understand this Gnan very profoundly. This is because this Gnan has been given only within an hour. How magnanimous this Gnan is!!! The Gnan, which cannot occur in a million years, happens in one hour.

However one gets the basic Gnan and then one has to understand in detail. To understand this in detail you come and sit with me and ask all the questions then I can explain it to you. That is why ‘we’ are saying that it is extremely necessary to have satsang. As you go on asking questions, answers will unfold within.

Questioner: Should we ask again to understand certain speech of yours that comes out?

Dadashri: If it bothers you then you should ask. What is this pebble beneath me?

‘We’ have to help everybody rise higher in this path, don’t we? We have to help the one who is left behind too.

Becoming familiar with the living Self, we become the Self Questioner: The state that you have attained in this time cycle with what You have given us, is it possible for us to attain the same state?

Dadashri: What other work do You have? You have attained bliss nirakudaata, have you not?

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completion is 7/8, and that will happen. You have become siddha incontrovertibly accomplished in the domain of the free, have you not? You have received the approval stamp-visa, have you not? Then why have fear?

What else can be there after the state of bliss, the unaffected state of nirakudaata?

Otherwise, worries and anxiety will make you run around again and again. Egoism will make you roam around life after life.

Bliss of the State free of agitation and bewilderment The happiness that is experienced in the world is happiness that is linked with the state of uneasiness-bewilderment—akudatavyakudata. After becoming a Gnani, the bliss of a state beyond uneasiness-bewilderment called nirakuda anand arises.

There are two kinds of happiness. One is happiness derived from worldly things – a successful business deal or a profit, or getting children married – but that happiness is of uneasiness-bewilderment—akudatavyakudata. It is happiness of illusion. But when you experience the happiness of the bliss of the unaffected state nirakudata, realize that You have attained the Self.

Questioner: What is the anand bliss of nirakudaata?

the non-Self paudgalik, whereas this is natural and spontaneous sahaj anand and it is called bliss. Therefore, it is nirakuda anand; there is no uneasiness-bewilderment. One feels a deep-seated stillness within. There is no jumping with joy oonmaad here.

Unaffected bliss nirakuda anand arises around the Gnani Purush. The pudgal nonSelf has nothing to do with it, so then where does this bliss come from? The answer is that it is bliss of the Self (swabhavik sahaj sukha: swabhavik – of the Self; sahaj – natural; sukha – bliss; swabhavik sahaj sukha verily is the bliss of the Self). The one who fits into this, who experiences this, remains in the natural and spontaneous state of the bliss of the Self, the state of the Self, will gradually go on to become fully enlightened. We become that with which we associate parichaya.

The closeness to the Gnani blossoms awakened awareness Questioner: After becoming Shuddhatma—pure Self, changes happen in the state of pudgal—the non-Self complex of thoughts, speech and acts; on what basis do they become evident?

Dadashri: It appears because of increase in jagruti awakened awareness.

Dadashri: The bliss anand that You experience here in satsang; that is nirakuda anand. There is no uneasiness-bewilderment— akudata-vyakudata.

Questioner: But Dada, why does it happen that awareness remains sometimes and sometimes elsewhere while dealing in worldly interaction, I miss out in maintaining the awareness?

What happens in the happiness of akudata/vyakudata is that a constant, simmering disturbance (jhanjhat) is taking place within. Here, such disturbance jhanjhat is not there and the outside world is forgotten vismrut. If you experience happiness because of something, then its nature is happiness of

Dadashri: It is just that we cannot hear this talk if people are making noise here, can we? This is just like that. When you have to face the unfolding of karma effect then at that time you will feel such suffocation inside. There is no problem in that. It is not harmful. At that time you have not lost jagruti awareness of

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the awakened one. Jagruti is there for sure.

Jagruti does not remain completely, it—the non-Self complex dozed off a bit.

I said, this is jagruti but it has not flourished. It is for that that reason that ‘we’ keep on talking so it will blossom. Jagruti of this side—the Self will blossom, that side— the non-Self interactions will blossom. Jagruti of this corner will blossom, that corner will blossom. So jagruti will blossom from every corner. That is why ‘we’ speak, ‘we’ are not asking you to do anything.

Questioner: Jagruti will remain according the steps of rising jagruti. Is there any way to increase that jagruti?

Dadashri: Yes. If one keeps sitting near ‘us—the Gnani Purush’ then this jagruti awakened awareness will increase. That is why people keep coming everyday. Otherwise will I not keep satsang for just one day? In the good era (time of Satyug), it was required once only. However how huge is the debt of the people here? What horrendous karmic debt! Yes, people are on the brink of terrible (spiritual) bankruptcy. I do vidhis (silent auspicious blessings performed by the Gnani for the salvation of the disciple and the world) everyday; even then their debts are not ending. But eventually by doing this it will finish.

That which presents in the nick of time is Gnan Questioner: Constant jagruti does not remain in a way, but when a tough situation arises at that time Gnan is present immediately.

Dadashri: The Gnan is present at that time. That which always presents and prevails with effect is verily called Gnan. How can we call anything Gnan, when it does not present when it is needed?

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Questioner: You have separated the Self from the non-Self for us. Thereafter we should stay in the state of the Self only, shouldn’t we? So then why everything become a mixture?

Dadashri: You have to ‘see’ to this upadhi—external evidences that disturb the non-Self. If You put your hand (interfere) in this trouble of the non-Self, then you will get burnt. Watching holi—ceremonial bonfire of firewood on special festival day in which people roast coconuts and spray each other with colors—does not burn your eyes. But if you put your hand in the fire to remove that coconut from the bonfire then you will get burned. You were putting your hand to remove the coconut—enjoy the fruit your self; that is why this thing happened. Therefore I said that the next time I give you Gnan preserve it prudently.

Questioner: But after having separation of the Self and the non-Self, I am going in the fire to pick up that coconut—entering the domain of the non-Self. It should not happen, should it?

Dadashri: Yes. You are entering the non-Self. ‘You’ have awareness, but ‘You’ are pushing away the awareness jagruti to enter the non-Self. This is because the unfolding karma effect is heavy. So then how long can a person tolerate this? How long one can hold a finger underneath the flowing water from the faucet? The answer is, one can hold it as long as the force of water is of half inch or quarter inch pipe but if it flows with the force from a two-inch pipe then the finger will move away.

Similarly these karmic fruitions are so heavy that one’s jagruti awareness will not remain.

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Dadashri: I do not need that many years. I am just saying that it is more than enough if you stay only six months with me.

The loss of infinite life times will be paid off.

Being near an enlightened person increases awareness Questioner: Our awareness increases gradually, but what should we do if we want to increase it even more?

Dadashri: Yes, it will. Ajagruti will arise naturally. So if ‘You’ continue to know this ajagruti then that is also called jagruti. That this has led to ajagruti unawareness, to ‘know’ this continuously is jagruti awareness too.

Questioner: Dadaji, the causes of obstructing this jagruti, are they from the past life or are some from the present life also?

Dadashri: The causes of the past life were full with ajagruti unawareness only. If the causes that happen in the period after Gnan remain in Agna then the awareness will be heightened by that much.

Dadashri: The one who wants to increase awareness, should sit with the one who is jagrut aware. It is like this, if everyone is dozing then we also will feel like dozing. If you are sitting around with a jagrut then even if you were to feel like dozing it will stop.

Therefore you should sit with a jagrut. If there is raag attachment at this time then at the most it will be for the Gnani or for the followers of the Gnani, you do not feel attachment for someone outside, do you?

Questioner: So then which are the current causes, which prevent the jagruti?

Questioner: I do not feel any other raag attachment.

Questioner: Can one understand your talk completely?

Dadashri: This attachment is the cause of direct moksha. Because of this raag circumstances will come together to sit around Him—the awakened One, and as a result your jagruti will rise with speed. The lamp will start blazing speedily. If we are sitting on a platform of the railway station and if people sitting around begin dozing, then we would feel like dozing even if we were doing satsang.

So you reap the fruit of those with whom you sit. If you sit with a sleepy person then you will feel sleepy and if you sit with awakened aware person then you reap the fruit of jagruti awareness. When you go for business then you have to sit with them (non-Self-realized) only, don’t you?

Dadashri: Why can one not understand? If one remains in parichaya and decides to understand, then why can he not understand?

Questioner: I have to sit with them.

So ajagruti unawareness will arise in that, will it not?

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Dadashri: When one is not able to come in extra parichaya—familiarity with awareness—with me, and when one does not understand my talk completely.

Questioner: In spite of making decision, I still cannot understand, what is the reason for this?

Dadashri: There is no parichaya close familiarity. You are cutting off the link. You sat today for two hours and again you leave half way (cut it unripe) and again next day two hours will be wasted, rather than this if you sit uninterrupted for long time then you will get the solution.

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Dadashri: That is correct. That is why we are saying that it is vyavasthit, are we not?

Such circumstances should come together.

sixty percent, someone’s thirty percent, then eighty percent, seventy percent, both must have some mistakes.

Questioner: But that decision nischaya is there, so will we definitely meet ahead?

This decision is there so will the Vyavasthit change?

Questioner: And then of course solution will come within two to five minutes.

Dadashri: It can change! Vyavasthit will continue to change. Depending upon our decision, Vyavasthit will go on that direction only. In the direction in which our decision is, Vyavasthit has to follow in that direction. The rule of Vyavasthit is, ‘in which direction is your decision?’

Questioner: But those previous decisions will not obstruct later, will they?

Dadashri: There is no concern here of that previous thing. What is your resolve today?

But that decision should not be contradictory.

Questioner: But everybody is helpless in front of prakruti the non-Self.

Dadashri: Only extraordinary men will not become helpless in front of prakruti.

Otherwise everybody is helpless in front of prakruti.

Changes happen by staying with a Gnani Questioner: After attaining this Gnan now I do not have clashes with anybody, I take care everywhere. But with this person in six to eight months, I just tell her off, I cannot do internal penance, but of course now it has decreased.

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Questioner: But at that time if I use parakram extraordinary spiritual effort and if I take care of that situation then I feel happy.

But we are still not able to take care during the situation.

Dadashri: But slowly and slowly you have to take care by keeping such awareness.

As you stay with me, changes will continue to occur. If you listen to only one word of mine, then that word verily will continue to work.

Questioner: That proverb is there, isn’t it? That the one who survives the critical moment lives a hundred years. Similarly when my kashayas: anger-pride-deceit-greed, arise and if I gain control over them, then I would be a winner.

Dadashri: It is like this, what is the meaning of control? Control is that where we can do whenever we want to. If we found our Gnan then these mooah (the one who is dying, special exclamation used by Dadashri to shake up the listener) the dying kashayas would be verily in control, Gnan verily will work.

So the best solution for this is, ‘Chandulal, how are you, how is everything for you?’ it is worth talking like this with him, that is verily the solution, what should you say?

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can say everything. If he misses out again then you should tell him again and do pratikraman.

You must do pratyakhyan—firm resolve and determination never to repeat the mistake too.

Otherwise he—file 1, will believe that this was correct.

You did pratikraman so now your opinion, about this matter, that ‘this is the only truth and this is wrong’ leaves. Your opinion fractured.

Total clear experience of the Self obstructed due to files Questioner: Dada, after this Gnan, mahatmas understood this much that the Self is the abode of infinite bliss. Now one should get the spashta vedan—clear experience of the Self. What then are the obstructive causes that prevent this clear experience?

Dadashri: The obstructive cause for clear experience of the Self is a lot of force of the files (term used by Dadashri for the nonSelf accounts, presenting in this life as individuals). If the force of the files does not prevail in a heavy manner then the experience will tend to increase.

It is like this, if someone asks you whether there is any problem in him going out at 1:30 PM? Then your reply will be, ‘brother, it is 1:30 PM right now. Go at 5:00 PM, otherwise the agitation and harassment of moving about in the hot sun will affect you.’ It is because of the force of these files that everything happens thus. When files will decrease, changes will happen automatically.

‘Do’ that which decreases files. Remain within the five Agnas. Only this much needs to be done, nothing else needs to be done.

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neighbor—others will also benefit. This is because anything that overflows it will come out and when it comes out, it will be helpful to others. The neighbor—file 1—will also get the profit. At this time you do not feel the bliss while settling the files. Those interferences do not let you taste that bliss.

Questioner: After attaining this Gnan, within how much time will the files will settle?

Dadashri: It depends on how sticky cheeknii it is, if it is very sticky then it can continue throughout life and if it is loosely attached maudi then it can dissipate in ten to twelve months.

Questioner: No, but can it settle in one life or two to four lives or how long can it take after attaining Gnan?

Dadashri: No. One to two more lives.

To the one who wants to settle, it will not take time. To the one who does not want to settle it can take a very long time. To the one who wants to bring total closure at all costs niivedo, it will not take time. The nature of original Atmashakti—energy of the Self is that if You want to bring to an end then it will help you to bring a closure. If you want to bring to an end then you should come on over in Akram—the path of no doer ship, and that path exists at this time. However you are not staying in parichaya satsang. Tell me, how many hours had you stayed in my parichaya familiarity?

Questioner: I might have stayed about full ten hours.

Dadashri: Now you are asking for this magnanimous Gnan in ten hours! It is a great wonder that at this time this Gnan has come to you! You are enjoying this big fruit in just ten hours, aren’t you? It requires lots of merit karma punyai to spend one to two hours February 2009

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with the Gnani Purush. You are getting this much fruit – reward by spending ten hours then how great would it be for spending six hundred hours?

The results of the neighbor are not yours Questioner: Sometimes files are not settled with equanimity.

Dadashri: The one who ‘knows’ that the file is not settling with equanimity is Atmadharma—the religion of Self—the Self; and that the file is or is not settled with equanimity is pudgal dharma religion of the non-Self complex of thoughts, speech and acts.

Dharma the intrinsic nature and function of the Self and the non-Self are different. What is ‘our’ concern if pudgal the non-Self complex did not complete its religion? ‘We’ ‘knew’ for sure, didn’t we? ‘We—the Self’ ‘knew’ so ‘we’ are in ‘our’ religion—role. It may or may not be the religion of pudgal the non-Self, ‘we’ do not have any concern with that.

Pudgal dharma is different and Atmadharma is different. Atmadharma means to keep ‘knowing’, sampoorna jagruti full awareness.

If one parmanu—an indivisible particle of an atom, stirs then also ‘You’ ‘know’; that is called Atma—the Self. Do not get involved in the trouble of the non-Self pudgal. Pudgal can become restless in a moment. To keep on ‘knowing’ is ‘Your’ religion and to become restless, or to have matabhed—separation due to difference of opinions is the old familiar practice. Your religion is not to begin liking that which increases and disliking that which decreases. That is the former familiar practice.

So ‘You’ should tell it effectively that, ‘this is not mine, ‘this is not mine’. These are the results of the neighbor—the non-Self complex. Dada said ‘no’ to all this, and yet if you believe it to be yours, then what else is there for Dada to do?

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So we have to settle the matter with equanimity in this manner. Then freedom chhootko is attained. Thereafter even if it is bad, even it is disgraceful in the eyes of the world, and therefore disgraces you, it is not obstructing ‘You’, and ‘You’ just ‘see’ that.

The ‘seer’ does not have any relation with the object being seen. No matter how bad the object being seen is, even then the ‘seer – drashta’ does not have-experience any attachment or abhorrence. The ‘seer’ does not have any give or take levadeva at all.

The worst bhaav intent may arise within, which are such that the whole world would vilify you; and such bhaav may come forth in the discharge—openly evident, even then ‘You’ should keep ‘seeing’ them. ‘Oh ho ho!

How is this Chandubhai? I used to know you as a worthy person but you are an unworthy fellow,’ ‘You’ should say like that a little.

Questioner: That is correct. But what if bad bhaav happens?

Dadashri: ‘See’ the bad bhaav that happens. If the bad behavior happens, ‘see’ that too.

Questioner: Keep ‘seeing’ the speech that comes forth, too?

Dadashri: If speech comes forth then also keep ‘seeing’ that. When it comes out, remain separate. The separation may happen after a little time, but that separation should happen. It separates after a while, but it rises to a higher step within, and therefore, it will be over in the next step. And ‘We—the seer at 360 degrees’ see Ambalal. The Gnani Purush is talking (the original taped record is short by four degrees), and ‘He’ can ‘see’ all that.

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time if separation does not happen readily with the first step then a step more, and that is why ‘we’ mention the two to three more lives it may take for final accomplishment.

like this? May be the fatigue is felt because of such residual internal opinions.

The one who says I am getting tired is getting tired, not You.

See the pudgal of the self only

Questioner: By ‘seeing’ mind-speech and body the whole day, I feel tired so who is the one who gets tired?

Dadashri: The wrong asar effect of the exhaustion and fatigue that fall on the mind, is verily what gets tired; no one else becomes exhausted and fatigued. Nothing else will fatigue for sure! The ‘seer’ does not get tired. The doer gets tired.

Questioner: The ‘seer’ is the pragnya (the direct light of the Self, liberating energy of Gnan), isn’t it?

Dadashri: It is verily pragnya; pragnya verily is ‘working’ at this time. As long as all these interferences exist, pragnya will play a role. When there is no interference then the Self prevails.

Questioner: But Dada, I do get tired.

Many times I feel that, when will all this will stop? Does fatigue have a role, because, I will feel that way only when I am tired? When it is sahaj natural then this will not happen, will it?

Dadashri: The feeling of exhaustion and fatigue that comes is simply a distant inexact feeling bhaasey chhe, it is not quite so. Fatigue never sets in. The fatigue sets in the one doing the work. Fatigue cannot touch the ‘seer’ at all. This is his previous (preGnan) familiarity of getting tired, which makes him feel that he is exhausted.

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Dadashri: Opinion. Yes, such things happen within.

Questioner: I try to ‘see’ the separation, but it remains for sometime and then it slips and becomes one.

Dadashri: You have more practice of the outside world, don’t you! You do not have any exercise of separateness whatsoever. While undertaking a studied observation nirikshan by focusing awareness upyoga on a specific thing about some pudgal, then it remians in Your khyal awareness, that is how one has to ‘see’ one’s own pudgal the non-Self.

Questioner: So outside of only one’s own pudgal there is no interference dakhal at all?

Dadashri: What else? It is more than enough if You can ‘see’ one pudgal. One cannot ‘see’ at all, can one? One interferes outside only—(becomes the self, the non-Self and thus interferes in others) and that is what ‘we’ are trying to convey. You practice to ‘see’ but it does not happen. It will stay for a little while and again you will miss that, otherwise it will go outside (in the non-Self) only.

Questioner: That stage will come for sure, will it not?

Dadashri: His effort will be that only, but it cannot happen, it will not stay. It will go and come, go and come, You have to maintain that ‘knowing’. You have to ‘see’ only one pudgal. What Chandubhai’s mind is doing, what intellect is doing, what chit is doing, what Chandubhai is doing, to ‘see with awareness— nirikshan’ all this continuously, what is that?

That is verily complete Shuddhatma!

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Vyavahar becomes vitarag through Gnani’s familiarity Questioner: Suppose, Lord Mahavir is ‘seeing’ pudgal and at that time if Gautam Swami asks a question then the answer will come forth, will it not?

Dadashri: Even then ‘potey—the Self’ would be ‘seeing’ only one pudgal.

Questioner: So the outer part is giving that answer?

Dadashri: ‘Potey—the Self’ will not give the answer, at that time the pudgal part— the non-Self complex, verily gives the answer.

Questioner: That is correct. But which part are we calling as outer part, one pudgal and excluding that part?

Dadashri: The one who is the ‘seer’ and the ‘knower’ does not have an outer part.

The Gnan is that which ‘sees’ and ‘knows’ what you are speaking.

Questioner: So Dada, such a stage will come by itself?

Dadashri: You have to remain in that effort, because you have to do all this things, don’t you?

Questioner: We have to stay in one bhaav only?

Dadashri: Only in one bhaav—state.

‘You’ have to stay in gnata-drashta—knowerseer bhaav only.

Questioner: Right now it is difficult, they are saying like that.

Dadashri: No, it is not possible at this time. At this time you have to see outside. But if it is without attachment—vitarag then it is called gnata-drashta and if it is with attachment—raag then it is called indriya gnan knowledge through sense organs.

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Questioner: If one becomes absorbed in the non-Self, becomes the body and mind— tanmaya then the indriya gnan has taken over and prevails?

Dadashri: No. Sometimes, even if absorption happens, it is called Gnan of the senses, the non-Self, only if it is associated with attachment—raag. One may become absorbed in some places, even when there is no attachment. But to become the body mind complex—tanmaya is not systematic and methodical. One will have to make it separate again some time. It—the ‘knowing’ and the ‘seeing’ should verily be constant. If ‘You’ become engrossed then know that you have a tuber. One will need to become free from that tuber.

Afterwards the whole vyavahar worldly interaction becomes without attachment. It becomes vitarag vyavahar the interaction without raag or dwesh—attachment or abhorrence. Vyavahar of many people have become vitarag, because they stay in our parichaya. This one who is running here and there, from far away, should he not stay in parichaya?

When Gnan works one becomes natural When this Gnan advances with results and karma become few, one progressively becomes natural sahaj. At the moment you are becoming natural a little at a time and then you will become completely natural. As you become free of dehadhyas—free from the belief ‘I am this body’, you move towards naturalness—sahajata. However much natural You become, that is how much You become one with the Self. Are you convinced that you have attained this path?

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this will attain liberation. Everything will come to an end; thoughts will end, knowledge will end. Everything has an end, but ignorance has no end.

The one who says, that the drashti vision has fallen upon the one ‘seeing’ drashta; are very far from the drashta—the Self. It will take them a very long time to attain that state. We have attained the drashta—the Self. What the world is searching for, we have in our hands. Now our job is to see how to make use of, pure intact use of awareness shuddha upayoga as the Self. That is called real spiritual endeavor - purushartha.

When you leave home and You apply shuddha upayoga remain in the awareness as the Self; then You will be able to ‘see’ real and relative as you go. You will have shuddha upayoga—pure awareness as the Self at that time. Whenever you are talking with anyone, You can maintain shuddha upayoga from within as you carry on the conversation. You simply have to observe whatever ‘Chandulal’ is doing. It is possible to maintain upayoga in this manner. It is not a difficult thing to do.

When kashayas decrease awareness increases Shuddha pure upayoga intact use of awareness—is that when there is no result of the absorption with the mind, no result of the absorption with speech, and no result of the absorption with actions. It will take time for such jagruti awareness to come. Gradually and progressively, as the kashaya decrease, discharge kashaya or the nikali kashaya— those which do not create new kashaya decrease, awareness will increase. From now on, no new kashayas are being charged, but the discharge kashayas—anger, pride, deceit and greed—within, will continue to discharge.

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If I come to your home and see that you have been upset with your wife, I would not take note that you are doing something wrong. Your agitation is discharging. Now that I have given you Gnan, You will not fall short.

But discharge is bound to happen, is it not?

All I see is whether your upayoga (your awareness as the Self) was there or not.

Questioner: I still do not understand this talk about ‘look for the ‘seer’ that is ‘seeing”. Please explain it to me.

Dadashri: We have found the drashta -the Self. By that we are telling a person who does not have Self-realization that ‘Where your drashti vision falls is really a drashya scene, meaning that which you are seeing is really the object to be seen. But really you need to investigate who is the one doing the seeing.’

That is what I am saying.

Everything on the outside is the vishaya topic of the senses. But to ‘see’ within; to ‘see’ what the mind is saying, what the mind is thinking, to ‘see’ what the intellect within is doing- what the intellect is showing, where the chit is roaming, whether the ego within is being depressed or being elevated; to continuously see all this is verily our drashta—the Self.

The vishaya subject matter of the vision drashti is the object drashya and You are the seer drashta.

Questioner: During any event, internal or external, which unfolds, if I know that ‘this is not my swabhav nature’ then anubhav experience will arise, no?

Dadashri: Yes, the experience will happen! The one who says, this is not my nature,’ becomes established in the nature of the Self. This Gnan is such that your jagruti awareness does not leave, no matter how much agitated ‘Chandulal—the relative self becomes.

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it is sitting within as a stock (an effect of past life causes), is it not?

Discharge is like ‘vomiting happens’.

You cannot get upset with anyone who vomits on you because it happens against the wishes of that poor person. What can he do? The kashayas discharge just like vomiting. Then everything empties within and becomes clean.

Upayoga in the presence of the Gnani What is upayoga—focused awareness of the Self - like? If you were counting thousand rupee notes, would your focused awareness drift towards something else? That is called upayoga. That is how My upayoga is, all the time. Yours too will be the same if you stay with Me. Questioner: Does that happen because one has varying interest in different states or other things?

Dadashri: There is no need to cultivate interest. You simply have to apply the upayoga.

You have to say, ‘Chandulal, you are sitting in the realm and presence darbar of Dada. So in whatever is happening here, going on here, apply your upayoga and proceed.’ Then You have to continue ‘seeing,’ if he misses upayoga, You have to immediately say, ‘Chandulal, you lost your upayoga, it should not be this way.’

If someone gives me a change for a five or a ten-rupee note, I do not count the change.

He may give me 25 or 50 paisa less but how much of my time would be wasted in counting?

You do not have to become uninteresteddisinclined for money but do not ruin your upayoga behind it.

Upayoga is the biggest of all things.

For how long do you have to keep applying this upayoga? To the point where you keep remembering ‘Dada’ day and night.

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You miss and suffer His absence viraho.

When lit with the agony of His absence viraha then from that ‘electricity’ will spark and will enlighten everything within! This is the Light of the Self.

The pangs of separation blazes in the one who is going to moksha Questioner: The intense feeling of missing viraha the Gnani Purush; this agony within caused by inability to have direct darshan and contact of the Gnani Purush, what kind of suffering vedana is that?

Dadashri: Oh ho ho, that experience!!

It gives rise to ‘electricity’ with which the Self becomes illuminating tejavaan. It is the most privileged phenomenon one can experience. Such an experience happens very rarely. It happens after acquaintance of many life times. It comes to those who are ready to go to moksha. You do not have to be in a hurry for it. You have wasted so many lifetimes, so now what more are you going to lose in one or two more life times? You have wandered so many lifetimes and you have not become weary and tired from it, so are you likely to become tired in two more life times?

If the experience of separation arises. What does the separated one virahi mean? There simply is nothing except the Gnani who can quell the restlessness. Then understand that that You are free from all the worldly entanglements.

People are attracted through fragrance Questioner: Those who come in the parichaya of Dada and remain in Dada’s satsang, will the fragrance of their conduct charitra which is blossoming from within, be evident outside?

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blossomed outside then also it will come forth. That which has blossomed does not remain secret. Oh, if you were to decide a bhaav in your mind that I do not want to let mahatmas suffer any kind of inconvenience, then that bhaav also will reach the mahatmas. If you have not told anybody even then it will reach, such is this science.

So many sins have been washed to such an extent that tremendous clarity is present within, and now at this time if you do some such secret work internally, then also it will reach everybody.

Questioner: But Dada, what I want to say is that whoever comes to Dada, everybody does feel such bhavna deep inner intent as an effect, that how can other people get whatever I have attained? Now if we will try to give them then people will notice that other first.

Dadashri: Yes, they will see that for sure!

Questioner: So now those who come to Dada, their certain kind of discipline, certain kind of behavior!

Dadashri: That will come gradually. But if you will try to do yourself now then they will see something else in you and find out your fault, ‘why are you doing this profession of lawyer?’ they will say. So what you should do is somehow or the other gently manage to bring them to me here. I would settle them then. Many have been settled, haven’t they? If you will try to settle them at this time, then it will not happen. This is because they will take objection that why you are doing like this?

And they will not tell me like that. There is nothing to say in front of me.

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through the Gnani Purush, can we not explain that to others?

Dadashri: It is not easy to make the other person understand. Gnan has happened to this person too, but he will not able to explain. Only ‘we’ are able to explain or this Niruben can explain a little. Those who have come in more parichaya become more familiar, can explain a little by little. This man can explain a little, very little, but he can explain.

They have parichaya. One should take more parichaya with ‘us’ then they can explain everything.

Darshan can result in Gnan through real experience When the Gnan is given here, at that time one gets the ‘touch’ of experience anubhav therefore pratiti conviction sets in.

However it is not considered a complete experience. Now the law of the world is such that for every thing conviction sets in first. If you explain anything that, ‘brother, by doing such exercise your body and everything else will become healthy.’ The moment one listens to this, if he listens carefully and systematically then conviction will set within him. And once the conviction is established, he will start to put in action. And after he starts, he will get experience, and then it is considered that one has ‘known’ this. Thereafter he can explain janave others, so that they also can know. If one has pratiti conviction only and he tries to give explanations then there is no substance to it. Therefore after establishing this pratiti when it comes to Your experience, thereafter, that darshan Vision, will start to change into Gnan.

Questioner: How can we know the stage of experience?

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worldly interaction where the world does not affect asar You, that experience is over and complete. And the stage of experience is deficient where the worldly matter affects you.

Questioner: Now you said that pudgal is the form of ego, then how this ‘I—hoon’ become pure shuddha from that? How does it come towards pure form from impure form?

Then the Lord will fully manifest…

Dadashri: What is ‘its—I’s’ internal worship bhajana? If the worshipping is of the shuddha pure then He will become pure.

If ‘He’ worships ,‘I am Shuddhatma—pure Self’ then He will become pure. Or else if it is, ‘I am a King,’ then He will become a King.

Our given Gnan is at its exact place.

The Gnan, which was given to you as the original Self, ‘You’ have not got the exactness of that original Self completely. When the exactness of the original Self will come, then it will not increase or decrease. So one day all the obstructions will break and one will become a God. At this time the Lord within, our original Self is in the form of gnan swaroop, afterwards it will become Vignan swaroop— ‘I am absolute Knowledge’. Fully manifest!

The one who comes to know ‘I’ becomes God Questioner: Your sentence had come forth that if one recognizes the ego then it is likely to make one a God. So do we have to recognize the ego?

Dadashri: If one recognizes ego then it is more than enough. No one can recognize ego!

The one who does the bhajana is ego only. If he worships the ashuddha impure, he becomes impure like this. If he worships the shuddha pure, he becomes pure like this. One becomes what one contemplates chintavan.

How can the one who is stealing all day long do the worship bhajana of Shuddhatma— pure Soul? His bhajana will be ‘I verily am a thief’, will it not? And he will definitely become a thief.

Questioner: So again whatever vyavahar worldly interaction one does, that is how his bhajana worship would be?

Dadashri: To recognize the ego means to know the entire pudgal—the non-Self complex of thoughts, speech and acts. To know the one who is saying, ‘hoon—I’ very well, and having known the total pudgal, one becomes Bhagwan God!

Dadashri: All the bhajana worshipping depends on one’s vyavahar. Whatever his bhajana is, that will be his vyavahar and whatever his vyavahar that would be his bhajana. Only in the last life after attaining Gnan, vyavahar and bhajana, these two become separate. Vyavahar relative interaction is useless and nischaya the Self is useful. Then the bhajana deep inner worship will be to bring the closure of the vyavahar.

Questioner: That ‘I’ means the recognition of the whole pudgal, is that so?

Progress on ladder of experience starts through familiarity

Dadashri: ‘I’ verily means the whole pudgal. ‘I’ is nothing else. Therefore, this whole pudgal is of the ego only. The ‘One’ who recognizes this ego, attains salvation.

That which is theoretical is not called experience anubhav, that is called understanding samaj and that which is practical is called experience. Full understanding samaj

Questioner: I did not understand that.

To recognize ego, what does it mean?

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and full experience anubhav is called jyoti light. That verily is light, that verily is Gnan, that verily is parmatma the absolute Self.

Questioner: But this can only be understood if I remain with you, no?

Dadashri: As the parichaya increases, the prakash light increases. And the familiarity that increases by staying with Me is called experience.

Questioner: Dadaji, what is the difference between shraddha faith and parichaya familiarity?

Dadashri: Familiarity lets the faith to set and become firm. As the faith increases, familiarity increases, and this leads to experience. What does the extra familiarity related faith and familiarity do? Experiences keep on happening. Therefore stay in touch and familiarity.

difference then there is difference in everything.

Therefore we have to do whatever presents at whatever time. What can you do when Dada is not here? You should read Dada’s book.

Dada is verily there in book, isn’t He? Otherwise, the moment you close your eyes, you will see Dada!

Accomplish your progress by asking a living Gnani I have given you the way, which I have followed. I have given you the path of my experience only. This path of experience does not exist in any scripture. There is not a single such word in the scripture which is the path of experience, and can help to the people of this kaal—current era of the time cycle.

Questioner: So many times You have been saying, ‘ensure the direct connection pratyaksha in ‘our’ presence.’

Questioner: But there is a difference between personal parichaya and this, isn’t it?

Dadashri: That is what ‘we’ are saying, do the pratyaksha connection in ‘our’ presence. This means that, if you have had your experience, if you are entangled in that experience, then you ask through ‘our’ experience, which resolves the experience of entanglement in you. That experience then ‘fits’ you. Enough! That verily is all that needs to be done. We have the stock of experience anubhav. For You, experiences are happening.

Therein ‘is this right, is this wrong,’ once asked and cleared means niivedo total clearance has been attained.

Dadashri: If you try to evaluate the

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When one does not get direct satsang Questioner: Dadaji, when I cannot stay in parichaya close live contact or live satsang, then how much will the books of Dada help?

Dadashri: Everything will help. These entire material here, all things of Dada, those are Dada’s words, it is Dada’s intent. So everything will help.

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Pujya Deepakbhai Desai - UK SATSANG SCHEDULE (2009) Date

Day

Time

City

26 Mar 09

Thursday

7:30 - 10:00 PM

Leicester

27 Mar 09

Friday

7:30 - 10:00 PM

Leicester

28 Mar 09

Saturday

6:00 - 10:00 PM

Leicester - GNAN VIDHI

29 Mar 09

Sunday

9:30 AM - 12:00 Noon

Small Bhagwan Pratishta

4:30 - 7:00 PM

Satsang

7:30- 10:00 PM

London

01 Apr 09 Wednesday

7:30 - 10:00 PM

London

02 Apr 09

Thursday

7:30 - 10:00 PM

London

03 Apr 09

Friday

7:30 - 10:00 PM

London

04 Apr 09

Saturday

6:00 - 10:00 PM

London - GNAN VIDHI

05 Apr 09

Sunday

4:30 - 7:00 PM

Follow up satsang

31 Mar 09

Tuesday

06 Apr 09

Monday

09 Apr 09

Thursday

10 Apr 09

Friday

11 Apr 09

Saturday

12 Apr 09

Sunday

13 Apr 09

Monday

10 Jul 09

Friday

11 Jul 09

Saturday

12 Jul 09

Sunday

Venue Shree Ram Mandir, Tilda Upper Hall, Hildyard Road, Leicester LE4 5GG

Navnat Vanik Association, Printing House Lane, Hayes, UB3 1AR

Brent Town Hall, Forty lane, Wembley, HA9 9HD

7:30 - 10:00 PM

ENGLISH SATSANG

Kingbury High School, Stag Lane, Kingsbury, London, NW9 9AT

Shibir timing details to be advised nearer the time.

MAHATMA SHIBIR, Please contact Utkarsh Vanjani for bookings and more details on +447723085095

Little Canada, PGL Centre, New Road, Wootton Bridge, Ryde, Isle of Wight, PO33 4JP

7:30 - 10:00 PM

London

Barnhill Community High School, 6:00 - 10:00 PM London - GNAN VIDHI Yeading Lane, Hayes, Middlesex, UB4 9LE. 8:00 AM - 9:00 PM GURUPURNIMA CELEBRATIONS

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ON ALL SATSANG ACTIVITY PLEASE CONTACT : Varshaben Shah - 020 8427 3374 or 07956 476253 & Leicester Contact - Trushaben - 0116 2208081