The Inner State of the Gnani Purush

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Deepak Desai October 2008 Vol. : 3, Issue : 12 Conti. Issue No.: 36

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Publisher, Owner & Printed by : Deepak Desai on behalf of Mahavideh Foundation, 5, Mamtapark Soc., Usmanpura, Ahmedabad-380014 Gujarat, India.

EDITORIAL A very special place has been carved in the hearts of those who have come to know or have been familiar with Gnani Purush Dadashri the Akram Vignani who is regarded as one of the wonders of this era of the current time cycle of Kaliyug. Further detailed familiarity and insights of this Gnanavatar—personification of absolute knowledge, can only be attained from His internal State and gnandasha—the State of absolute knowledge.

It is because of our merit karma as well as great and good fortune that we have come to know this Gnani Purush. Through the satsang that happened with Him, we have come to know about the phenomenal level and wonder of His inner state too.

Many people wonder about the inner workings of this Gnani who seemed so much like an ordinary human being in daily life interactions. How would be the antahkaran (inner functioning instrument comprising the mind, intellect, chit-knowledge and vision, and ego) of the Gnani? Dadashri explains that the antahkaran of the Gnani is in its dharma natural state and Atma—the Self is in its dharma natural state. The Gnani does not have dakho-dakhal (interference of becoming the self and effect thereof). The Gnani always remains separate from the antahkaran. The Gnani never becomes absorbed in any phase of the mind, the intellect, the chit or the ego. He is the Gnata—the knower. The Gnani Purush is in all three states together nirvichar—the knower and the seer of the thoughts, nirichchhak—desire-free state and nirvikalp—the state without ‘I-ness.’

The Gnani Purush is egoless, abuddha—without intellect that interferes and makes one become the worldly self. The interference of intellect has permanently ceased. He is the complete knower of the mind and its contents. The mind of the Gnani Purush is kshanvarti— lasts only a second, due to prevailing alertness of the awakened State, in which every thought is ‘seen’ as it arises. He never becomes absorbed in any situation of the mind. The Gnani is constantly in the nirvichar—‘seeing’ the thoughts by the second, state. The Gnani’s chit is completely and constantly subservient to Him which shows its effect as chitprasannata— spontaneous joyful state which leads to mukta hasya the laughter of the liberated state.

From this divine speech of Dadashri, we receive special understanding about the state and mechanism of the mind, intellect, chit and the ego—the antahkaran of the Gnani Purush.

On the basis of this we get the simple and unfailing understanding; about our internal state currently; and when we are not absorbed in the antahkaran. It is our ardent prayer that this becomes helpful in the spiritual effort to fulfill the ultimate goal of attaining the awareness like that of the Gnani Purush. ~Deepak Desai Subscription :Yearly Subscription India: 100 Rupees USA: 10 Dollars UK: 7 Pounds 15 Years Subscription India: 800 Rupees USA: 100 Dollars UK: 75 Pounds Printer/Press : Mahavideh Foundation, Basement, Parshvanath Chambers, Usmanpura, Ahmedabad-380014

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The Inner State of the Gnani Purush (Please note that ‘S’ for Self, or ‘Y’ for You, refers to the awakened one in Akram Vignan, or the eternal

Self. The ‘s’ for self refers to the worldly self. For a detailed glossary please see: www.dadashri.org/ glossary.html)

The nature of antahkaran Questioner: How can we draw a line of demarcation between the mind, intellect, chit and the ego?

Dadashri: How can anyone except the Gnani draw this line of demarcation? People do not have understanding of this so how can they draw a line of demarcation? What is to be found in the antahkaran?

Questioner: The mind, intellect, chit and the ego.

Dadashri: Yes, these four are to be found in the antahkaran. These four carry out the inner workings. Whatever the inner workings of these four is exactly what the outer workings will be. First the inner workings take form and based on that, the outer workings will be exactly the same. Therefore, you can discern what is going to occur next based on what is taking place on the inside.

The actions of the antahkaran Questioner: Are the mind, intellect, chit and the ego parts of the antahkaran or are they separate individual entities?

Dadashri: They are separate. These four live together and that component is called antahkaran. During the time any one of them is working, the rest are non-functional. All the four parts are separate.

Questioner: So the mind, intellect, chit and the ego are all separate entities?

Dadashri: Yes, they are all separate. This is because their inherent properties and function (goon dharma) are different. With reference to the antahkaran they are one but from the perspective of their innate properties, they are 2

separate. This inner antahkaran is such a thing that it is made up of four components however they are not four separate parts. During the time the mind is working, the antahkaran takes on the form of the mind. Then when the intellect works, it takes on the form of the intellect and when the chit is functioning, it takes on the form of the chit. In this manner, there are four components however, during the time of its inner working, only one component is working and it works independently. All the four work in the antahkaran.

First it takes place on the inside (antahkaran) then it manifests on the outside (bahyakaran) The mind, intellect, chit and the ego fall within the antahkaran and then there is bahyakaran. The two have been divided. First things take place within the antahkaran, thereafter it manifests on the outside. Therefore, if you know how to read the antahkaran, you can tell what is about to shortly take place on the outside. There are only four components within the antahkaran, not five.

First it (an activity) takes place within the antahkaran in a very subtle form, thereafter it manifests on the outside at a gross tangible level, which really is a snapshot of the internal activities. If someone knows how to read the antahkaran, he can tell what is going to take place on the outside.

‘We’ are able to see a picture of the antahkaran and are able to tell what function is taking place within. Therefore we can tell what is going to be taking place on the outside.

The one who knows how to read a ‘negative’ will also be able to read the ‘positive’.

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antahkaran and based on that, external activities take place. The senses too are all dependant upon this.

Generally people are able to arrive at a conclusion through experience but the topic of darshan (vision) is different. An experience may even prove to be wrong; it may be right or it may be wrong. So we cannot rely on experience. But the ability to see the antahkaran is very exact. Once the ‘negative’ has been seen, the ‘positive’ can be clearly seen. The ‘negative’ is inevitable; the negative is constantly being created in the antahkaran.

From your antahkaran, you can tell ‘this man has come here with a lot of trouble’. You were sitting quietly in solitude. There are no incoming vibrations or influence of any kind.

Then along comes this man. He does not say anything. He places some flowers here. His outer actions are good but where did this load in our antahkaran come from? The load has come from this man. From that you will recognize that this man is very troubled.

Therefore we can take the necessary adjustments. Therefore changes can be made at a superficial level. Thus the vision is the nimit evidentiary instrument for it. Ordinarily you cannot change anything, but the ability to get this vision is the nimit for the change.

Antahkaran of the Gnani Questioner: Dada has a mind, just like we have. We have buddhi intellect and thoughts and so does Dada.

Dadashri: Only the soul in everyone is the same, all the rest is different in all. Next, your location and my location (space occupied) are different, and therefore our karmic accounts are different. The Atma is the same, but rest of the stock is different.

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good in His presence, then how wonderful His mind must be? He has mind, intellect, chit and the ego, but they are wonderful. They are not crazy like others. Wonderful means that even his ego will appear beautiful to your mind; it will conquer your mind. Now the amount of energy there is in one man, can another man not have the same energy? If one is born here in India, that energy is there for sure; that is what one has to develop.

There is no interference Questioner: ‘How does the Gnani’s antahkaran (the inner component of the mind, intellect, chit and the ego), work?’

Dadashri: The antahkaran carries out the worldly activities on the one side and the Self ‘does’ ‘its’ work on the other. The Gnani does not have dakho-dakhal (interference and hence it’s effect thereof).

What is antahkaran? It is that from which arises the sense-intent of ‘doer-ship’ (karta bhaav) of ‘I am the doer’. If the ‘Self’ moves away, the ‘Atma’ is separate from the antahkaran. If the atma becomes separate, then all the worldly activities continue through the antahkaran and that verily is called sahaj (natural; spontaneous). After separation, the Gnani’s antahkaran continues to work naturally and spontaneously. Because the meddling stops, therefore the antahkaran’s work is done in the best way possible and only when it is necessary; what is more it becomes beneficial to people.

The mind, intellect, chit and the ego are constantly present; because of that there is complete awareness. The Gnani remains vitarag unattached.

Now, if the mind, intellect, chit and the ego are present, the ‘Self’ always maintains awareness of ‘this (part) is I’ and ‘that (part) is them’ about them. ‘We’ completely remain in vitaragbhaav—a state of complete non3

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attachment. Hence, people think ‘this man is just like God’. Otherwise people will never accept as God, the one who has inner meddling.

And one becomes God when the antahkaran goes away; God is here on this earth! I fell short four degrees (with complete omniscience being at 360° - Dadashri is at 356°) and that is why all this hassle. That is why I sit here with you, would I otherwise?

How is Gnani’s antahkaran?

All four parts of antahkaran within ‘us— the Gnani Purush’, are uniquely different. The mind does not think anything. The chit does not wander. Where does the chit stay? The state of the Self and chit is like the flute and the serpent. Just as a serpent becomes solely focused on the sound coming from the end of the flute; the chit representing the serpent and the Self representing the flute remain together with undivided attention. The mind is still with no trace of restlessness. The intellect buddhi will not attempt to initiate a conversation, and the ego is virtually non-existent at zero. In such a state of the antahkaran inner working mechanism, what happens next? Where the antahkaran verily is dissolved.

For Dada the chit remains close by and does not wander at all; therefore you see the smile on His face at all times. If chit wanders outside then you will not see a smile. This Dada’s mind will not show any pamphlet.

Therefore Dada sits here peacefully. And Dada has become abuddha—without any use for intellect, so there is no interference of intellect whatsoever. ‘We’ tell the intellect, ‘if you need any help then ask but ‘we’ do not need your help so sit quietly.’ The ego should be as appealing and attractive like this Dada. How beautiful is Dada’s ego! The status is absolutely different when the ego becomes charming and attractive. The Self is real and everything else is relative. If the Self remains the gnatadrashta knower-seer, then the ego will continue 4

to become attractive and appealing for sure.

By the antahkaran The Gnani is a Tirthankara Our mind has been trained from infinite life times and if it slips into suffering and pain, then all that was gained would be gone. For many a life times ‘our’ mind, intellect, chit and the ego have been trained and for many a life times they have not entered the realm of pain or suffering. It will be all right if this fractured leg remains shorter but we will not let anything spoil the mind.

The Gnani’s antahkaran becomes just like the pure Soul. Chit stops wandering around.

The Gnani is not a Tirthankara by the physical body; but by the antahkaran He is a Tirthankara—liberator of millions.

Nirvichar, Nirichchhak and Nirvikalp Questioner: Dada, what is your state while you are sitting quietly like this?

Dadashri: What is the use for you of knowing my state? Everyone has to know one’s own state. Why do you have to know about any other’s state? What is one’s own state; that is what everyone has to know.

Questioner: But do you not get any thought or anything like that?

Dadashri: Our role is to remain in the state of nirvichar—the knower and the seer of the thoughts – separate from the thought.

Questioner: Does the antahkaran become silent?

Dadashri: It does not become silent.

Antahkaran does function however how is it within? It continues to function at a slow pace.

It is like that little minute hand that rotates in a watch.

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desire-free state and nirvikalp—the state of the Self (free from ‘I-ness’), all are there together. If a thought comes then it is equivalent to becoming inert jada with the mind. Thought means to become married to—one with the mind. There is no need to become one with the mind, nonetheless the mind will trap you. It will takeover, even if you do not want to, and then having taken over will pull you into deep rumination.

continue. Purusharth will remain continue until one attains kevalgnan—absolute knowledge.

After becoming the purush the Self, the independent inner role and effort purusharth will continue.

No one will attain dharma—the Self if ‘we—the Gnani’ have vichaar thought, slip from the Self into the self. One, two or three who are very affectionate and are around would attain the Self, but none of the others would.

There may be two or three who; because of a deep love and dedication for liberation; would stick around me.

Questioner: There is no intellect whatsoever, so the work gets done through pragnya (the direct light of Self, energy of Gnan) only?

Spiritual effort for Kevalgnan Questioner: Your antahkaran has been trained and molded automatically?

Dadashri: No, it is not trained. It has dissipated, it has emptied-exhausted.

Questioner: But everything happened automatically, didn’t it?

Dadashri: It is dispersed. When there is no interest in it, it will get dispersed very speedily.

Questioner: Thereafter there is no purusharth—effort of the enlightened one—at all?

Dadashri: The purusharth of the Self is constantly there.

Questioner: This entire antahkaran calms down so therefore there is no purusharth or upayog—focused awareness of the Self, is there?

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Questioner: So ‘Dada Bhagwan—the fully enlightened Self’ and ‘A. M. Patel’ will always remain separate?

Dadashri: Yes.

Dadashri: That is correct. Mind is not working. Intellect is not working.

Questioner: Mind does not work even a little?

Dadashri: It does not work at all. The mind will converse a little once in a while. It will show up a little for one to two seconds and then it will not come.

Questioner: So this ‘Dada’ does vidhis (subtle inner scientific vibrations performed by the Gnani for the salvation of the disciple or the humanity at large) for his followers and the world. For example his deep inner intent ‘may the whole world attain salvation,’ who does this bhaav? A. M. Patel or Dada Bhagwan?

Dadashri: A. M. Patel.

Questioner: How does A. M. Patel spread this outside?

Dadashri: Mind is not involved in this, there is no role of mind in this at all.

Questioner: Then what….?

Dadashri: Darshan spiritual vision— vision as the Self. I can ‘see’ whatever needs to be done.

Questioner: Whatever intents bhaav for jagat kalyan salvation of the world…

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Dadashri: I can ‘see’. It is not bhaav, it will appear in darshan. We do not have memory; we do not even remember the name.

All these actions continue according to darshan. Before this it used to happen through memory and mind. Now this happens through darshan only.

The mind, intellect, chit and the ego, for the most part has exhausted. Whatever chit was, is purified, therefore it has become one with Shuddhatma—pure Soul. It has become absolutely pure chit. Mind exists a little, however there is no effect.

Questioner: And the intellect has left.

Dadashri: The discharge intellect, nikaali intellect is there, which brings about settlement.

Original intellect is gone.

Questioner: And ego?

Dadashri: Only that the charging part of ego is dissolved. Therefore the whole antahkaran has dispersed; so then what is left there?

Questioner: Is it not necessary to have ego to reach the final stage, the fourteenth gunthanu stage of spiritual development? Does one not need ego to reach the higher level?

Dadashri: Where is the need for the ego anymore? Ego was the one that was holding you back, it was dragging you down. Ego is a heavy load and it is blind.

Questioner: You had once mentioned while talking about the value of kevalgnan— absolute knowledge, that one should pursue it even with ego.

Dadashri: It was about the discharge ego.

Questioner: Discharge ego means what?

Dadashri: There is no other ego left, after the ego is gone.

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The egoless state of the Gnani The Gnani is egoless How much ego is there in me?

Questioner: It is non-existent, zero.

Dadashri: Ego has reached to the level of zero and intellect is exhausted. If ‘we’ have even the slightest ego then none of these things that ‘I’ speak of, can be ‘seen’.

Even Lord Krishna says that the Gnani Purush is verily my Soul. This is because, no one can speak in the world being the Self as the Gnani Purush does. What is the need to speak for the one whose ego has dissolved.

‘We’ say this just to make you understand.

However ‘our’ ego is dissolved. The Gnani Purush is without ego; He does not have even the slightest ego. No one in this world is without ego. Only the Gnani Purush is devoid of ego.

Can the Gnani be measured or compared?

Questioner: Is there no comparison with a Gnani?

Dadashri: There is no comparison. Who is a Gnani? Not everyone can be considered a Gnani. A Gnani is the one who has no ownership of his mind, body and speech. He is someone who constantly remains as the Self and does not have even a trace of ego.

Questioner: Is humility dominant within the Gnani Purush?

Dadashri: Humility exists in the average human being too. The Gnani Purush has no ego at all, so when he is insulted, there will be no ego that reacts.

Egoless person does not get tired Questioner: It is said that there is some motivating energy behind the worldly progress of a human being. What is the source—the root of this energy? Is it the ego that keeps a man going on?

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continues, does it not? In the entire day, from morning until now, how many hours did I do the vidhi—silent auspicious blessings performed by the Gnani for the salvation of the disciple or the world, today?

Questioner: So many.

Dadashri: From 9 to 12 in the morning, and from 4 o’clock until 9 o’clock in the evening these vidhis will continue. All these continue to happen without ego. When I had ego it was not happening. This is because what does the ego do? Once it says ‘I am the doer’ then Godhood—the Self leaves. Who can we call a God? Chandubhai—the relative self will do the work and the Self will ‘see’. The ‘seer’ is God and the ‘doer’ is Chandubhai.

The ego of charging and the ego of discharging life after life Questioner: You say all this that, “we’ do not have ego, ‘we’ do not want anything.’

So this also is not called an ego?

Dadashri: This is called an ego, however this is the discharging ego, when ‘we—the Gnani Purush and the fully enlightened Self within’ speak then the karma gets cleared, it gets discharged. This is the ego of suffering that which was charged. This is not the ego of doership, which creates new charge of suffering.

Questioner: So what is this ego of doership and suffering? Please explain in detail.

Dadashri: The udayakarma unfolding effect of karma, is the ego of bhoktapanusuffering and karma is the ego of doership.

When it gives the fruit is called udayakarma and karma is karma—‘I did it’. Karma is the cause and udayakarma is the effect.

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the worldly life after life will continue. This karma-‘I am the doer’- is the cause. ‘We’ take away that ego of doership from you. ‘We’ take away from you the ego that was enmeshed in anger-pride-deceit-greed—the charge ego and ‘we’ leave alone the ego of suffering—the discharge ego, the effect-suffering ego.

Otherwise who will suffer the effect of the unfolding karma? One needs the ego even to get up or move.

You ask me ‘Dada, all this that you speak, is it not the ego?’ Then I say, ‘it is the ego but it is the ego of the suffering of the discharge karma effect, so it will dissolve after the suffering.’ It is bound to suffer the fruit—the effect of karma. Karma is the egoism of doership, ‘I did it—I am the doer.’ It represents the charge—the cause for an effect in the following life.

Lifeless yet ego of constructive intervention Questioner: But there would be some remnant of the ego in Dada, no?

Dadashri: That ego exists within this A. M. Patel, who is short by four degrees, however what kind of ego is that? It is a lifeless nirjiva discharging ego, it is not a live charging ego.

Lifeless ego is dramatic-like the ego of a stage actor. The actor plays his role in drama perfectly, all the time being aware of the fact that at the end of the play he is going to go home and eat his supper. Just as the actor who plays the role of King Bhartruhari in a drama saying, ‘I am the King,’ knows within that ‘I am Laxmichand Targaro,’ I am aware within that ‘I verily am Dada Bhagwan’ and this other is a lifeless nirjiva ego.

What does this nirjiva lifeless ego do? It helps wear a shirt, shoes, and if the shirt is stained it will move to take it off and wear a new one, it will do all the meddling-intervention.

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Gnan—the knowledge of the Self, I will clear your understanding.’ Is this not intervention?

Why meddle and intervene? Will the Lord ever say, ‘do come’? The Lord is vitarag absolutely detached. The vitarag will never say ‘come or go’ and I say, ‘I will give you moksha.’ Why do I need to meddle? So therefore ‘I’ am the vitarag who intervenes. ‘I’ intervene and yet ‘I’ remain vitarag. Yes there is this ego of four residual degrees that is lifeless, and discharging.

It will never get a life again. It is part of the play in which A. M. Patel is acting. It is on its way to its conclusion.

‘We’ are not able to break even a papad (paper thin crisp cake made of flour mixed with spices), because there is no kartabhaav—I am the doer—in ‘us’. There is not the slightest egoism—that which follows, ‘I am Chandubhai,’—so who will break the papad?

The one with the egoism, not only will he break a baked papad but he can break buildings too!

He can even shatter a whole wall of a fort of Surat too. Nonetheless the One who cannot even crack a papad, has the energy of the entire universe. There exists a phenomenal amount of energy with such a One who therefore is able to accomplish whatever He wishes!

The egoless state I have taken up the seat of the Gnani. If I misuse this state then I will lose this state, automatically. If I trade the siddhis accomplished spiritual energy, for selfish reasons, then they will be caught and trapped up in the evidences of nature—the relative world. Do you think siddhis exist?

Questioner: Yes. Dadashri: What happens when it is misused? He will lose the status. If you misuse any thing, you will lose that state—the ability to use it.

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which creates life after life. Where is the need for egoism there? It is the Gnani Purush who may keep the egoism because he has the realm of the universe at His command. Wherever there is realm and power satta there is no ego.

Where there is no real energy-power, there is egoism. The Gnani Purush has the energy of the realm of the whole universe however He is like a child.

Who can liberate except a Gnani?

Gnani Purush is vitarag and he remains constantly in swaparinati—state of the Self.

Only Gnani Purush can get rid of one’s dehadhyas the belief that ‘I am the body’ since he does not reside in the body, the mind, the intellect, and the ego. No one else can make one leave dehadhyas. The whole world is absorbed in dehadhyas only.

A Liberator is always liberated No living being likes bondage at all.

Whatever we feel is verily called bondage, do you like bondage?

Questioner: No. Dadashri: Yet where do you have to stay?

Questioner: In bondage.

Dadashri: The whole day one has to live in bondage only. All living beings are verily in bondage. A Gnani Purush like me would be free, however you may find hardly one Gnani very rarely in the world. Otherwise a Gnani does not exist in the world at all. ‘Gnani Purush’ is free; he is not bound with anything. That is why he does not feel the burden, does not feel fear. Nothing affects him. And that is what one has to become. However one can become that only when a Gnani Purush is around. There is no Gnani Purush until thousands of years. Very rarely when Gnani Purush is around, one becomes free.

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the darshan inner vision of the Self-Atma?

Was it as a viraat swaroop a supreme being or in the form of words, which form was it?

Dadashri: Full vision. The world uses the term viraat swaroop. What is the real meaning of viraat swaroop? The One who can take away the ego of others is called a viraat the great one.

Questioner: He can take the ego means does He annihilate the ego?

Dadashri: Yes, He annihilates the ego of the others. His ego has been annihilated and therefore He can annihilate the ego of others.

That is called a viraat swaroop. There is no situation that ‘I’ have refrained from ‘seeing’.

Each and every situation; your asking is all that is needed. I will tell you only that which ‘I’ have ‘seen’, there is nothing imaginary in it.

This is not from scriptures.

A viraat swaroop is the One who does not have buddhi intellect to the slightest extent, not even a drop. Such a One removes the ego of others by prodding and poking and if necessary deflating the ego of the other like taking the air out of a tire. So the One whose ego has completely been annihilated can only take away the ego of others. The one whose own ego has dissolved is an Atmagnani; the one who can take away the ego of others is a viraat purush – the absolutely enlightened One.

how should the Gnani be? The Gnani Purush should be without any intellect. I do not have intellect (use of or interference with the light of intellect) therefore I have all the solutions. You will not have solution as long as there is intellect.

Therefore where there is no intellect there is Gnan and where there is Gnan, intellect does not exist, only one of the two is in operation— exists.

The awareness, ‘I am intelligent buddha’ and this Gnan, ‘I am abuddha— without intellect (where there is no role of the intellect)’ cannot co-exist.

What is intellect? What is Gnan? The knowledge of all the subjects of the world falls in the domain of the intellect and the knowledge of ‘Who am I?’ is Gnan.

I have the full light of Gnan, and therefore I do not need the intellect, do I? Intellect makes you emotional and Gnan keeps you in motion.

All these people are endowed with intellect, but their belief is wrong. ‘We’ do not have any intellect. Intellect is the knowledge through the medium of the ego and Gnan is the knowledge without the ego. Knowledge of the Self is the real knowledge.

Devoid of ego and intellect

There is no intellect where there is Gnan

I do not have ego and intellect. Ego exists as long as there is intellect. And limited knowledge—knowledge ‘from this point to this point’—exists as long as there is intellect. It is not kriyakari gnan—knowledge that works from within; brings results. And this Gnan— knowledge of the Self, is unlimited, this is kriyakari Gnan—knowledge that works from within, without any doership. Gnanprakash— the light of real knowledge is kriyakari—is kevalgnan swaroop—absolute knowledge form.

This Gnan is such that its domain and realm can encompass the entire universe.

What kind of Gnani Purush is needed,

‘I’ stay in the unlimited—the Self. Why

Questioner: By which method does the Gnani take away-destroy the ego?

Dadashri: The Gnani can fracture the ego by many ways at once. The one who meets ‘us’, becomes familiar with ‘us’, finds his ego dissolving day by day. These mahatmas those who have received the Self by way of Akram Vignan—have had their ego broken in an hour.

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do I need this light of intellect? When people lose the electricity at home they light the candle but when the light comes back, will they leave the candle on? For those who do not have the candlelight of intellect, there is the unlimited light of Gnan. The Tirthankara Lords do not have intellect, ‘we’ also do not have intellect.

The One who is completely abuddha, is called a Gnani. Nothing of this world is left for Him to be known, and even the Lord is pleased with Him. Such a One is a Gnani.

Questioner: There is nothing left to be known, what is meant by that?

Dadashri: It is Gnan; it is light, whereas with intellect there is a lot of interference. The knowing through the intellect leads to all these fights between human beings, and leads to matabheda the separation due to differences in opinion. Separation due to differences in opinion does not occur in the presence of light of the Self—Gnan because there is no interference, there is nothing. All that you oppose in the relative is buddhivaad intellectual conflict laden speech. We do not have buddhivaad. ‘We’ are abuddha in relative worldly interaction and ‘Gnani’ in the real nischay the Self, and the state of the Self.

The talks of the Gnani do not involve the intellect Who is called a Gnani Purush? The one who is decidedly without ego, the one who is not the owner of the body, speech and mind is called a Gnani. Such talk is never been heard before in the world. You will not find these talks in the scriptures. ‘We’ do not have intellect so it is worth listening to ‘our’ each and every word and only then it is complete and perfect talk. No one will be able to erase—find an error—this talk of ‘ours’ for thousands of years to come.

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read was more than twenty years ago. I answer all directly from what I ‘see’.

‘We’ are ready to give the solutions of all the questions of entire world, but questions should be in the form of questions. The lack of solution to your question is the definition of a question. So you can ask everything. Ask everything, whatever comes in your mind and I am ready to give you scientific answers. This is because I do not have any intellect whatsoever and you have intellect; then only it is really a fun. You may ask as many questions you can through intellect; I will answer you through Gnan. Your Atma-Soul must agree. And if your Soul does not agree then either you are being obstinate or you are somewhere else for sure. I speak as abuddha so any person of any cast or race will agree to this. He should be one who has some understanding and has entered the realm of critical use of intellect.

Here there should be a religion of param vinay absolute humility. If a scrutinizer—tester of Dada—were to come here then I would ask him to come later, alone. Otherwise if he gets caught up in to the tight grip of intellect then what can happen?

The result of abuddhata Whoever comes to me, even a person with excess intellect starts to become abuddha in time. The one who wants to increase intellect, cannot afford to come to me. I do not have intellect, so children, elderly people, no one is afraid or intimidated by me. And everybody will be scared of a person with excess intellect.

Even his wife at home will be fearful of him.

In the days when I had excessive use of intellect, people around used to be afraid of me. I became abuddha only after the intellect left. But you do not like this profit so what can ‘we’ do now? Someone likes this profit and some may not like it. You do not like the gain and profit of abuddha, do you?

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We do not have any kind of intellect. So if someone insults us even then we would give blessings and if someone offers flowers even then we would give blessings. This is because he does not know me at all. He knows this Patel, how can he recognize me? He knows ‘A. M. Patel’ so he insults ‘A. M. Patel’ so I have to take care as a neighbor. I would tell that person that, ‘brother, if it is not that important then do not hurl insults and if you have a reason then go ahead.’ So I have all that other stock which was without an intellect; but not the intellect.

I do not have any skill Questioner: You call yourself abuddha but to us you appear prabuddha enlightened.

Dadashri: But I tell you from the experience of everything. I am seventy years old, but I still do not know how to shave. People think they know how to shave; that is all egoism.

There are a very few people who know how to shave. I realize that I myself have no idea as to how to hold the razor or have the art what the angle of the blade should be. I have not become expert at that. As long as you are not expert, you can say that you do not know how to do it.

Questioner: You have not seen any benefit in becoming an expert, have you?

Dadashri: It is not question of benefit, but I am telling you as it is, and that is, that I do not know how to shave. You may wonder how that is possible. It is simply egoism to think you know. Many do not even know how to use the blade. They do not even know whether the blade got used up or not.

Everything continues in such hollowness.

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become expert in this Atma-vignan (Science of the Soul), that is also a natural gift. Otherwise, how can a man become an expert? That is why I say, ‘This is but natural’.

Hey! I do not even know how to walk.

People may say Dada walks very nicely! But I know that I do not know how to walk because I am seeing this through the vision of Gnan.

I do not know this business of writing; I do not even know how to hold a pen. One is considered a Gnani when he does not know anything about worldly things.

I have forgotten the worldly life. I do not even know how to sign my name. I have not written anything for fifteen to twenty years and therefore I have forgotten to write.

I have truly become abuddha. You will not find any intellect in me. My worldly life goes on without intellect, does it not?

Questioner: But everything we see about you appears ideal.

Dadashri: It may seem that way, but I see it through Gnan, I see through the ultimate glasses, and with that ultimate light all this appear raw-incomplete.

Many people tell me that they have learnt to eat properly after sitting with me. However, I know that I do not know how to eat. I have in my awareness of what the picture of what my conduct should be like when I eat. But who has such ability? It is the one that has the natural gift.

It is not possible for one to have an ego and at the same time become an expert. Ego stops him from becoming an expert.

Therefore, I am saying through my experience, that ‘I am abuddha’; I am not saying so arbitrarily. Nevertheless if it (my conduct) still appears ideal to you, it is your vision. Where is my vision? Did you understand this? My vision is the ultimate vision.

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In the intellect free state, there is no opinion related divisiveness Differences in opinion matabheda do not exist here. Everybody would accept here. Even two-year-old child would accept and continue to play with me. This is because ‘we’ are verily like a little child. The child is faultless because of ignorance and ‘we’ are faultless as a result of Gnan, only this much is the difference. We are at this shore and the little child is at the other shore however both are called a child only.

If someone were to ask me, ‘Do you have lots of intellect?’ I would say, ‘No, I am abuddha.’ If I had intellect then it would have shown a profit and a loss, wouldn’t it have?

Yes, that agnyashakti—the energy of ignorance will always show only two things, profit and loss. If you are late, it will evaluate profit and loss. If someone takes you on the wrong way then it—the intellect will say, ‘see, a half mile wasted!’ Intellect will look for profit and loss in everything and as long as it shows profit and loss, it will not let you come out of worldly life.

And ‘we’ are abuddha, so there is no trouble.

We call the profit a loss and the loss a profit, and that too is vyavasthit again. It will not change for an intelligent person and will not change for abuddha person either. That is why ‘we’ are abuddha and besides ‘we’ know vyavasthit scientific circumstantial evidences.

If ‘we’ did not know about vyavasthit then ‘we’ would not have become abuddha either.

So ‘we’ know that it is vyavasthit then where is the reason for any trouble? And after this Gnan ‘we’ told you too, that it is vyavasthit.

Therefore do not use intellect. If you will become abuddha then also, everything will go on for you, just fine.

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this very same intellect will change and become samyak right, and once it becomes right intellect it will not make you emotional. And we do not have intellect, do we? If I have intellect then it will make me emotional.

‘We’ do not become emotional even for a moment. We do not become emotional at any moment in twenty-four hours. This (Niruben) person stays with me constantly twenty-four hours but she does not see me emotionalaffected. We are always in motion—natural.

So whenever you want to take a picture at any time, even when I am sitting in a lavatory, my picture will come out the very same. When I am eating, even that time my picture will come out same. Even when I am scolding someone, the picture will come out same. This is because ‘we’ would be in motion. We do not have emotional intellect, do we? ‘Our’ intellect has been exhausted.

That abuddhata is not useful Questioner: Abuddhata being without functioning intellect—is of two kinds. Is this abuddhata created before the origin of the intellect or after the origin of the intellect?

Dadashri: Yes, abuddhata is of two kinds. One abuddhata is when intellect has manifested, what you see in children is called abuddhata and the other one is the abuddhata of the Gnanis. The intellect dissipates after it has reached the peak; that is the abuddhata of Gnanis.

Questioner: So from what you have said, an ordinary person is in the state of abuddhata before the intellect has peaked, don’t you feel that way?

Dadashri: That is not useful. It is only useful if it is developed. Become developed, burn, burn what does it mean? We have to put this gold in a kiln to purify. Similarly when this intellect increases that is a kiln and after burning in a kiln it becomes purified, it does not become October 2008

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pure just like that. Therefore it is mandatory for the intellect to be burnt in the kiln of worldly interactions. This applies to all. I also have been burnt. Therefore as far as possible do not listen to intellect at all, nevertheless it will not work without becoming an abuddha.

How many abuddha can be there in the whole world?

I do not have even one cent of intellect.

I am the only person who is without intellect.

If you all come here to find the intellect then, ‘hey, not here, if you are looking for a man who does not have intellect then I am the only one.’ ‘I am abuddha,’ that is what ‘we’ have accepted.

Questioner: That is your greatness.

Dadashri: No, I do not want greatness.

I am laghuttam (the lightest; lowest). I do not want greatness nevertheless people throw it at me. Who is called an Akram Vignani? He is the one who does not have intellect at all. We do not have even one percent of intellect that is why I got this benefit.

The knower of the mind Relationship of the knower and the known with the mind The mind brings forth, different thoughts and because of a person’s ignorance of the Self, he becomes entangled with the thoughts.

He believes the thoughts to be his, thereby creating new images or ‘photographs’. These images are recorded in the form of a negative and when they manifest into a physical action, it is like watching a movie on the screen. The movies you see in a theatre will last only a few hours, whereas the movie of the mind is endless.

Once it ends, a person will achieve liberation.

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handshake. I do not marry them. Lord Mahavir did the same.

Ride Your Mind Even before Gnan I had the awareness of the thoughts that arose in the mind and would know that they would not let me sleep. So I would tell the mind, ‘Just keep on running. You are the horse and I am the rider. You can run in whichever direction you want. It is just you and I.’ This would go on until the morning. It is the law of the world that whatever you try to control or restrict, will take control over you.

When sugar is rationed in the market, the price of sugar goes up. It is the same with the mind; if you try to restrict the mind, it will run twice as fast. So do not try to restrict it. There would be no problem in restricting the mind if it were obedient. But if it does not listen to you, then you should let it run till it gets exhausted. Why should you worry? You have the reins in your hands. But instead what do people do? They try to control the mind; they try to suppress it so they can sleep. You should forget about sleeping because such times present you with an opportunity to ride the mind. When will you get such an opportunity again? It is only after riding the mind over and over again that I have acquired such perfect and non-contradictory Gnan.

Experiments with the mind before Selfrealization In those old times, we used to have a fiery novel food item, not bhajiyas – fried potato slices covered with spicy batter. I do not remember the name of that tasty item right now. It used to be very delicious. Entering a large good hotel, I would feed it—the mind— a dish of that item, and the result was pure pleasure, enthralling! For a while it would feel as if we were on top of the world! Everybody’s tongue moves in temptation of a taste in food!

Especially in youth it is tempted more and at the older age it slows down.

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Questioner: Is the experiment with the mind one of making it eat something or is it one of making it understand?

Dadashri: When you feed it—the mind, it becomes happy. I would make a condition that, ‘I will give you this thing if you do this much.’ And I would stop giving it for two to three days in advance to get that work done.

‘If you do this then only I will feed the special item to you.’ So it will finish the task promptly since it remained hungry for two to three days.

This mind is physical however it is like a living thing. It has energy for sure. In a way it is a lifeless. But we need to tell it. Don’t people tell the intellect at night, ‘do not come tonight, Come tomorrow for lunch?’ When one talks with the intellect within in this manner, she does listen and it happens that way.

Questioner: But every time instead of this experiment in feeding would you not have proceeded by making the mind understand and follow through?

Dadashri: Would you not know where it—the mind—is embroiled in lalacha intense inner greed?

Questioner: Yes that I know.

Dadashri: So entice it with lalacha, and you have learnt how to deal with it.

Questioner: So you had done these experiments before.

Dadashri: I had done so many such experiments.

Questioner: Which others?

Dadashri: Other experiments were: If something comes up at night then it will not let me sleep. So I would tell it—the mind, ‘well it is just you and I only. So come on, let’s go for it.’ So I will ride over it. It will run and I will ride. I would let the mind run where it wants to until it gets tired. So it will go to sleep then I will fall a sleep. If on the other hand I harbor 14

this lalacha and ask it, ‘let me sleep, let me sleep,’ will it let me sleep? It will come to its senses when I make it tired. It will get tired. I would tell the mind, ‘let’s go, just keep on running!’ I would make the mind continue to run. Have you ever attempted to tire the mind?

I had done lots of experiments and all became very successful.

We had adhered to what we believed we were, believed the self to be, whoever we are that is what we are, we had not listened to anybody in the antahkaran. Everyone, this mind, intellect, chit, ego will speak, but I had never listened to anyone. That is how I had managed to remain still!

‘Our’ mind moves in a very steady motion. Just as if there are two thousand persons here, and I have to move ahead shaking hands with each one of them, I shake hands and move on with each thought that arises. I do not become absorbed with the thoughts. No thought will linger on, not even for a second.

Your thought gets stuck for fifteen minute or half an hour at a time. Does it not?

Questioner: Yes, it does.

Dadashri: ‘We—the Gnani’ too have a mind. I would be considered absent minded if I did not. Our mind is very sharp. It will not be unsettled even if there is a threat of an atom bomb over me. There is not the slightest restlessness. It moves on steadily but quickly.

Whereas, your mind is like a fly hovering around a lump of sugar. It hovers around something it sees.

One cannot afford to become absorbed with the mind The world is not such that any fear whatsoever needs to be harbored. The mind may tell ‘us’ too, ‘What if we have an accident?’

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previous thought. You should not become tanmayakar—absorbed with the mind. This world has come into existence because of one becoming tanmayakar with the mind.

Everything in the mind is a discharge. When you become absorbed in that discharge, it gives rise to a charge. Do not take on the load of elevation or depression on Your head. Nothing is going to happen, nothing is going to be ruined.

I do not remain in what is happening in the worldly life even for a moment, and yet nothing gets ruined.

Contradictory cues is the nature of the mind I may be coming here by taxi from Santacruz, and if there is a collision of cars on the way, the mind will say, ‘If we continue, we may get into an accident.’ Then I would say, ‘Brother, I have noted what you said. Your statement is correct. We should remain alert.’

Then, the next thought may arise, ‘There is nothing around that may get us into an accident.’

Then, You say, ‘I have noted it.’ Then, it will talk about something else.

Questioner: But was it the mind that informed you that there is likelihood of an accident?

Dadashri: That was said by the mind and we then accept that, ‘Brother, what you are saying is correct.’ Then it will talk about something else. It will move ahead and talk about satsang. It doesn’t hold that you don’t like this. It will only say what it sees. Therefore, all this is circumstantial evidence. Hence, You take note of it. If it scares you and you get scared, then it is over! It is not trying to scare you, it simply tells you to beware. ‘We’ do not scare like that. It will scare an ignorant person.

In ‘what if there is an accident?’ one becomes absorbed with the mind.

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I am asking you to do the same, telling it, ‘Brother, I have noted.’ That is what you tell the mind. Thereafter, it will stop pestering you.

It will talk about some other nice things. This is because there is only one thing in this body that is contradictory. If there is something that is contradictory in every way, it is the mind and that’s why there is so much fun in talking to and dealing with it! It would be no fun if it were to show a single track.

Here, I am telling you the process that I have used. How I have become independent.

I have become independent even from God. This is what I am showing you. Once it comes in to action, you will have no problem. I have seen this path, experienced this path, and known this path. If you adjust yourself, it can be done.

If you can’t do it, tell me where you are not able to adjust, then I can show you. As such, no one has attained liberation by killing the mind.

So, mind is not the thing to be removed.

Mind is not a thing to be killed. I have never hurt my mind, that poor thing! So my mind is so good, it does whatever I tell it to.

The mind will exhaust Our mind has been exhausted-emptied and yours has not. A single thought will not leave you for fifteen minutes and continue to entangle you. Waves of the mind revolve. They would revolve this way, that way.

For ‘us’ mind will remain separate because ‘we’ do not get absorbed with the mind.

Mind has existed through opinion One has gone on cementing opinions and that’s why the mind has arisen. This is good and that is bad and they are bad and these are useless people, it is worth making money; all these opinions of different types is why the mind has arisen. If opinions cease, the mind will cease. I have no opinion left, so how is my 15

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mind? It does not stick at any place, not even for one moment! It keeps on strolling, that’s all.

And my mind does not stand still for one moment. So I remain free. Even the mind can’t bind me. The mind binds you. I will make you nirgranth—without any inner knots—tubers in the way in which I became nirgranth—free from the knots of the mind. So these knots that are lodged in your mind can be dissolved.

The mind of Lord Mahavir Questioner: What kind of thoughts did Mahavir Swami get?

Dadashri: Lord Mahavir also had mind but what type of mind was it? It was like: a clock has a minute hand and within it there is a second hand and the smallest movement of the second hand is the time the Lord’s mind would remain on any cue from the mind. His mind moves just like that. What this means is that it does not stop at any place.

there is this much grossness. Ultimate liberation is after attaining absolute Gnan.

Gnani’s mind is always moving Your mind may stand still at one place for quarter hour or for ten minutes. Same thoughts keep on coming. And my mind does not stand still anywhere, it keeps on moving.

Questioner: If you want to keep your mind steady at one place, can you do it?

Dadashri: It can be done but that is not necessary. Mind’s function is to move around.

Moving around does not mean it actually moves but from moment to moment, it gets one thought followed by the next thought then the third thought…

Questioner: When you say unsteadyrestless mind, what do you mean? Mind is discharging, isn’t it? It goes on functioning, does it not?

He gets one thought and it passes.

Second thought comes and it passes. He will not have same thought again. That is known as samayvarti— prevailing in the alertness of the smallest fraction of time, samaya being the smallest fraction of time. The mind of the Lord moves from samaya to samaya.

Dadashri: Unsteady means restless.

Alas, while discharging, the minds will not refrain from becoming restless. They simply will not remain still and steady, they get shaken up within. It can’t grab on to the stillness. It gets shaken up inside. Mind can remain steady only within me. No one else’s mind can remain still.

I have no opinion about anyone and my mind has been emptied, it has been exhausted; yet it continues. It functions like this fan which is moving. My mind moves around just like Lord Mahavir’s mind. It does not get stuck at any place. It does not wait even for one second at any one place. The mind does exist all the way until the end but it does not harass at all.

Thus Lord’s mind was working samayvarti— prevailing in the alertness of the smallest fraction of time and my mind is moving around kshanvarti—prevailing in the alertness of one moment to the next; that much grossness is there. This is because the complete absolute knowledge kevalgnan is not there; therefore

Questioner: Yes, but what can be called a still-steady mind?

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lingering there and hence the steadiness. For me, it is steady meaning there is no such thing as a knot. So it keeps on revolving and it does not standstill at one place. It does not standstill at one place for two minutes, five minutes; it keeps on revolving. There is no knot of any kind where it can standstill. That is known as steady state. That is how it prevails for me.

But this is so only with me. And that is called a great wonder! The scripture writers have called such a state of the mind parmarth swaroop that which helps others on the path of salvation. When does it become so? It happens when there is no knot left in it. This is called the nirgranth state.

All kinds of thoughts arise in these human beings. Now one is not really the thought. It is just that past life opinions are unfolding as thoughts in this life.

Gnan is the only thing that will contain the mind So when a negative opinion arises about someone ‘we’ say, ‘He is very helpful, he is very obliging’. So through ‘plus-minus—adjusting with positive approach’ it goes away, because that is how our karmic stock is. Therefore send such a stock that the other stock is rendered ineffective, otherwise if we listen to the mind, we will go crazy.

Somehow or the other You have to tie up the mind, otherwise it will get out of hand.

Then it will trouble you.

With the dissolution of the ego there is closure in the mind Questioner: Can you explain, with an example, about samadhan closure of the mind?

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replied, ‘That man who was here, is going to bring it.’ So then I remained seated. I realized that that was vyavasthit. When the hisaab account of karma effect unfolds, it is vyavasthit, and therefore ‘our’ mind is always in samadhan closure. ‘We’ will not become restless even if it was 8:30 pm, hours after the scheduled time.

I was ready and sitting and all these people were reciting navakar mantra. We would not let time go to waste. We would recite namaskar vidhi till the ride comes.

Then, the man must have gone somewhere and in a hurry to come here, he forgot to fill up the petrol. He thought that he will be able to make it with whatever was in the tank. That would happen when you are in a hurry, when you worry that Dadashri will get late, would you not?

Then we came by his car and the car ran out of gas at the cross road. So he felt very bad. I told him, ‘What is there to be upset in this?’ There is no need for explanation here.

We do not have to see why the car stopped. I told him, ‘That verily is vyavasthit. That is called vyavasthit.’ Then he says, ‘Let us phone someone and ask them to bring a car.’ I told him, ‘No, this is how the vyavasthit is. Do not interfere.’ And we do not find even a rickshaw then these four young boys will carry me.

Therefore closures will keep occurring. There is vyavasthit every second, you have to constantly realize that. Many such incidents had occurred in my personal matters. If it is not petrol, then it is something else.

This Gnan is such that ‘Dehabhiman galite, vignate parmatman, yatra yatra manoyati, tatra tatra samadhan—with the dissolution of ‘I am this body’, the science of the supreme Self commences and thereafter wherever the mind goes, there indeed is closure’. But all that written in scriptures has just remained in scriptures as is. The mind finds closure wherever it goes, but that is when one’s 17

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dehabhiman the belief ‘I am this body,’ has dissolved. Your ego has not gone away. You could not go to the bathroom if you had no discharge ego. Do not disturb it. But this dehabhiman is gone. Therefore the awareness of ‘I am the doer and I am this body’ is gone.

That is the dissolution of dehabhiman.

‘Dehabhiman galite, vignate parmatman’ means with the dissolution of the belief, I am the body commences the science of the supreme Self. Then, ‘Yatra yatra manoyati, tatra tatra samadhaya,’ meaning: thereafter wherever the mind goes, there is closure. This happened for me the day after I attained Gnan. My mind found closure-stillness wherever I went. This closure was there when someone cursed me, wherever someone would not give my money back, found closure in everything. That is when I realized that no one can do anything. No work gets accomplished without scientific circumstantial evidences. When scientific circumstantial evidences come together the work gets done.

How is it for the Gnani Purush?

If I have gone to sleep at 2:30 in the afternoon and get up at 3:30, ‘our’ mind will tell ‘us’, ‘Do you have to get up now, you just went to bed?’ But it will not be able to have its own way. ‘Get out. Go somewhere else if you want to complain’, that is what we would tell the mind. You should not listen to your mind even if it says no. Regular means regular. You do listen to your mind, do you not? Otherwise, who is there to scold us? You all have someone to scold you, who is there to scold us? ‘We’ will say, ‘Go late to satsang at six o’clock today, ask to stop the satsang’ and so then it will stop. But we do not let that happen.

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remind me at 7:30 in the morning, I was ready by 7:45! I am always awake but I have to do vidhis which I perform quickly. Otherwise who was going to say no to me if I were to take my time and finish at 8:15? But there is no dakho interference from me; it is precise and accurate.

There are times when I do not like certain things. I do not like certain kind of food, but whatever comes is correct. What does the mind say at that time, ‘Tell them in the evening.’

Then I would say, ‘No, do not say anything again. Eat whatever there is. Are you asking me to beg for it? Just keep quiet and eat whatever is there.’ Otherwise who is there to question me? I can order whatever I want to, no one will object to it, even if I were to order an ice-cream. No one would question, ‘Why is Dada doing that?’ Will they object?

There is no ego between mind and pragnya Questioner: There is mind on one side and pragnya (the direct light of Self, energy of Gnan) on the other side; on what basis then, does the mind start exercising its control?

Dadashri: Due to ajagruti— unawareness, ajagruti and lalacha—intense inner greed. Example of lalacha is if something we are fond of is left out from being served to us then we accept whatever mind dictates us.

Questioner: Who is doing that inside?

Dadashri: That is the original ego, who else? I say many times, ‘see! This is a good breakfast and yet he eats matthia (thin spicy crispy deep fried wafers). I would tell it, ‘eat’.’

However when it replies to me that it wants to eat five then I let him have two.

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hot breakfast, do not eat cold. And even then I would feed him two matthias. If it—the mind tells me, ‘let me eat five matthias,’ I would say, ‘next time, you will not get any more this time. You will get after this Diwali (the festival of lights).’ I will say that too. In a way I eat two matthias everyday. We should remain noble where it does not hurt the principle.

No matter how much knowledge a scholar of scriptures has, he may know everything, however no one’s else’s mind will become subservient-deferential to him. This is because his own mind does not remain subdued to him, a sign of his own interference, so until then how can the mind of others become subdued to him?

Awareness against thought

The one who is such that the minds of others simply become deferential and subservient to his presence and him is a Gnani.

How can we know that his mind is subdued?

If we ask him then he will say, ‘I remember Dada twenty-four hours.’ His mind remains subservient to a Gnani. Such thing is not possible anywhere at all. This is the sole easiest path.

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After Atmagnan—Self-realization it is a mistake to think. We should only allow the thoughts that come by themselves. And even then, we should only accept the ones that are necessary. Everything else is external, don’t fall into it. Thinking diminishes energy of the Self, it destroys it. At the time of thinking the self strolls so it will stroll where it is not supposed to. ‘We’ do not have any thoughts or anything else. ‘We’ do not have any dakho interference or dakhal the effect and reaction of interference.

Mind is obedient to the Gnani The chit and the mind of the Gnani is subservient to Him. Chit of the Gnani is like the serpent who focuses exclusively to the sound coming from the end of the wind instrument played by the snake charmer. The ego of the Gnanis is such that even celestial beings come to have the darshan divine inner vision. The ego is nirvansha—heirless, no progeny of ego will be there.

We would not have anything that would be in the belief. Our mind would have been subdued to us. Our mind would not speak anything. If someone were to slap me ‘we’ would grant him forgiveness. If someone were to insult me, ‘we’ would grant him forgiveness.

If a police officer were to put me in jail, ‘we’ would grant him forgiveness. What will ‘we’ say to the police officer? I had to lock my home by myself now you lock the door for me.

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Many people’s minds have been subservient to the Gnani Purush. Then one’s work is done. He attains the final solution for sure.

That is why Gnani does not have matabheda ‘We’ do not have mind that is why ‘we’ do not have matabheda divisiveness and separation due to differences in opinion.

Questioner: But if there is no mind then opinion will not be there either, will there?

Dadashri: Yes, no opinion at all. ‘We’ do not have opinion at all now. Our mind has reached at such a stage that there is no opinion left. ‘This is our opinion and that is your opinion,’ we do not have anything like that.

Thoughts can be different. As long as there is drashtibhed—a vision of division, there will be vichaarbhed differences and disagreements in thoughts. Until the attainment of kevaldrashti absolute vision there will be divisiveness in thoughts. When absolute vision meets absolute vision, there is no difference in thoughts. There is no quarrel because of 19

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difference in thoughts. Difference in thoughts does not create separation of minds.

I cannot afford to break anyone’s heartmind. I would not hurt anybody’s mind and no one would hurt my mind. And if someone hurts my mind even then I would not hurt his. I would know that it is his fault, but I should not make a mistake.

‘Our’ mind is such that it can take on the load of the entire universe. If you just sit around me then your mind will become like that too. However you do not spend that amount of time, do you? Shrewd people! They are more interested in dollars and increasing the bank balance. The one whose mind becomes like Dada’s will find his work done for once and all. His mind will then be able to take on the load of the entire universe.

Nirvichar The Gnani does not touch the flow of thought process Questioner: Can ‘Dada’ catch the flow of thought process?

Dadashri: I have seen many who could catch the thought process. However the One who does not touch the thought process is a Gnani! There are people who can catch the thought process but the one who does not touch the thought process is a Gnani. To catch the thought process is one’s development of a kind.

But only when he goes quite further ahead from there, the status of a Gnani is achieved.

One progresses towards the knowledge that liberates, through the thought process.

Illusion and everything else can be destroyed by thinking. For me, all that has vanished by thinking. So many thoughts were done; there is not a thing, not a single parmanu subatomic particle in this universe that I have not thought about. I made it all vanish through thoughts.

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Before attaining Gnan—Self-realization, I would think as long as six hours straight about the Soul even though I had not attained it; I was never in thinking about the worldly life.

The state beyond thoughts is the State of the Gnani Questioner: How can one become thoughtless nirvichar? How can he attain such a state?

Dadashri: It is like this; if one wakes up from ‘this’ sleep, then one can become thoughtless nirvichar.

What is nirvichar? To remain in the Self even while having thoughts, that is nirvichar thoughtless state. The worldly people are in dehadhyas ‘I am the body’ state along with ‘I am thinking’ state. And that is why they are searching for the nirvichar state. But nirvichar is having thoughts while being the Self. Gnani Purush remains in beyond the thoughts state nirvichar pad therefore He is called nirgranth without any entangles in the mind.

When a thought arises, ‘we’ do not move in it and therefore it is not called a thought and it vanishes.

I have never ‘moved in a thought’ for even a second and so then how will I get a thought? I know-have the experience of this disease. Who would nurture this disease? If You move with a thought, you become dependant on the non-Self—paradhin. You lose Your independence.

‘We’ do not have to think. ‘We’ do not have thinking power. Absolutely no thinking power. When one attains the ultimate state, his thinking power begins to conclude from there on. I do not have one worldly thought. ‘We’ do not have any religious or worldly thoughts. We do not have thoughts related to a woman. Where there is Gnan, not a single thought should arise about worldly things. We do not have one October 2008

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worldly thought.

‘Ours’ is a state beyond thoughts nirvichar dasha’. So what is ‘our’ job? This is all the task ‘we’ have. Wherever we go in the world we ‘sprinkle water—perform Gnan Vidhis and silent scientific vidhis for salvation— of the world; ‘we’ sprinkle water on wherever there is pain and restlessness.

Chit is continuously obedient to the Gnani Gnani’s chit does not wander anywhere The biggest thing in the whole body is the chit (subtle component of vision and knowledge in the inner functioning instrument called antahkaran). If mind is working more then there is no problem and if it is not working then also no problem. But all the trouble is with the chit only. ‘Our’ chit remains subservient to us, thereafter let the mind become restless!

Any work that is done without the presence of chit will be wasted. That is called bey-chit— disarray of chit. My chit remains where ‘I’ am.

Where would ‘our’ chit be wandering?

Questioner: Your chit would not wander anywhere.

Dadashri: Yes. Everything would be there wherever we would be. No one will wander around, no one. Wherever we are, everybody will be there. The King is there and so will be the army too; no body would wander around. When you sit around with me Your army will also become like that, obedient and subservient.

Once the chit finds its abode of peace shanti, it will not wander out and will not go outside. We have to arrange and do that which will not require the chit to wander out. This vignan science of ours is such that chit will remain with us, and will not move at all. If the chit wanders out then all others will fall into disarray and riot will ensue. Chit must not go October 2008

outside. After resting for a while after eating a lunch, if you read Aptavani for half an hour, two hours the chit would become first class.

So we will have to do all such things to settle the chit, won’t we?

Everyone has right to see but does not have the right to chintan elaborate on the inner scene and become absorbed in it. Gnani Purush too looks at everything but there is a difference in the chintan of the Gnani Purush and the others. Along with others, the Gnani too roams in this enchanting city of Mumbai, but he does not become caught up in anything. His chit never goes anywhere.

The Gnani’s chit does not go anywhere at all. There is nothing which can attract the chit of the Gnani Purush. This is all rubbish stock. It is all an illusion within, which traps one. There is a different sentence for different direction for the chit not to get scattered. The moment you say, ‘I do not want to hurt, cause someone to hurt, nor encourage anyone to hurt, the ego of any living being, even to the slightest extent,’ the chit that used to wander out to hurt someone’s ego will stop. Such are these nine kalams (dikshavakya – a sentence that liberates, Precise orderly writing that leads to total freedom from all obstacles of worldly life).

The joy of chit Chit prasannata is always there How would be ‘our’ chit? It has never left its place. When ‘we’ speak at that time the chit will constantly sway like the snake in front of a snake charmer. Then chit prasannata— the joy of chit will arise. Otherwise the face will look frowned; tongue—speech also would have been pulled—restrained and awkward.

People can tell just by looking in the eyes that this person has dirty vision—ulterior sexual motives. If it is poisonous vision that too people can tell that he has poison in his eyes. Similarly people can understand that there is vitaragata 21

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(the state of total detachment) in the eyes.

People can understand everything but if they think after eating—make use of the machinery of the body complex. But they cannot understand if they sleep after eating.

When ‘we’ speak, ‘our’ chit would continue to listen only, it will feel joy, joy and joy only. ‘Our’ chit would continue to dance just as a serpent dances while listening the sound of the flute of the snake charmer. Why would it go out to wander at all?

Bravo! To ‘this’ tendencies of chit— chitvruttis! This chitvruttis started to become like ‘us’! ‘Our’ chit never wanders around whatsoever. In twenty-seven years chit has not wandered anywhere, mind has never become restless.

Therefore, what I am trying to say is that you can travel anywhere in the world. If nothing in the world captivates your chit, then you are truly independent. For years I have seen that nothing captivates my chit and therefore I know that I have become completely independent.

When the tendencies of the chit do not get scattered in disarray ‘Our’ chit remains absolutely pure shuddha, so nothing can touch it or bother it.

‘My’ chitvrutti—tendencies of the chit remain within me, yours has been scattered in multiple directions. Are they not? Only this much is the difference from the elemental vision viewpoint tattva drashti. There is not much difference. If You, slowly and steadily, do not let your chitvruttis get scattered, then you can become just like me.

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spiritual energy and realm! On Gurupurnima, Janmajayanti (worldly birthday of the Gnani) and the Indian New Year Day, you can have ‘our’ full darshan (darshan of the absolute state, the Gnani Purush becomes one with Dada Bhagwan—the fully enlightened Self). That is the reason we pressure everybody that it will be all right if you do not come for darshan on regular day, but come and do the darshan on these three days. This is because on these three days aishwarya is fully manifest. The whole chitvrutti has purified completely so the absolute energy within dominate. If you do the darshan outer and inner ‘seeing’ of this aishwarya then your aishwarya would manifest!

Sat Chit Anand Swaroop (The blissful state of the Self, which is fixed on the eternally pure) Questioner: What can be called satchitanand swaroop?

Dadashri: The one whose chit remains in the Self—Atma, is satchitanand. The one whose chit does not wander around even to the slightest extent, even if someone were to insult him, beat him, where none of the worldly evidences will have an effect; is satchitanand.

Rare is the one who is Satchitanand in the world; there is only one not even two. He would be unparalleled and extraordinarily unique.

You will not find two. He will have mukta hasya—the laughter of the liberated state, apart from this he would have a lot more! Everything, you can get what you ask for; you can get everything; whatever you ask.

Look at this Satchitanand!

Satchitanand!! You can understand this form of Satchitanand (the awareness of the eternal is bliss) through the liberating laughter. The laughter without any tension is where Satchitanand is manifest!

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All are heartily invited…… In the courtyard of Ahmedabad (Gujarat, India)

A Grand and Awe-inspiring 101st Birthday Celebration of Param Pujya Dada Bhagwan From 30th October to 13th November, 2008 With the subtle presence of Akram Vignani Param Pujya Dada Bhagwan and Pujya Niruma And in the presence of Atmagnani Pujya Deepakbhai Desai Date Program detail 30 October 2008 Grand Opening Celebration at 5:30 pm….

31 October to 7 Nov. Spiritual Satsang (General Satsang - For Visitors) & 13 Nov. From 4:30 pm to 7:00 pm 8-10 &11 November Spiritual Retreat: (For Mahatmas) From 10:00 am to 12:30 pm and 4:30 pm to 7:00 pm 9 November Gnan Vidhi : (A Scientific Experiment on Self-realization) From 4:30 pm to 8:00 pm 12 November Birthday Celebration - Poojan-Darshan-Bhavna-Bhakti From 7:30 am to 7:00 pm Special Attractions: Children's Park & Theme Park: Everyday From 10:00 am to 9:00 pm Cultural Programs - Bhakti/Drama : Everyday From 8:30 pm to 10:00 pm Venue: University Ground, Near Helmet crossing road, 132 foot Ring Road, Ahmedabad.

Phone: (079) 27540408, 39830100 Important instructions for arrangement for all Mahatmas-Mumukshus attending this program: 1.Accommodation for mahatmas visiting from out of town will be provided from November 8th to November 12th only. Allocation will start from November 8th morning. Mahatmas (from around India) must register their names at the respective satsang center locations by October 10 2008. And others who does not have satsang center in town must register by calling at Adalaj Trimandir - (Phone - (079) 39830400) by October 10 2008. Please mention the numbers of men and women separately. Please notify whether you will be arranging your own accommodation or we will need to make arrangement for you. The arrangement for accommodation is made in the tents for mahatmas. Please make a note that the accommodation will be provided to only those who have filled out the registration forms.

For mahatmas from foreign countries: for registration, visit http://simcityarrival.dadabhagwan.org/simcityarriv.aspx 2.We kindly request all mahatmas to take the time off for the whole day on November 12, the day of birthday celebration for darshan-poojan since the time is scheduled from 7:30am to 7:00pm.

3. Don't bring any unnecessary valuable things like Jewellery, excess money etc. ) If you are coming by a train, From Ahmedabad (Kalupur) Railway Station, you should get City Bus No. 46, 46/1, 56, 56/1 or Auto Rickshaw (Approx. charges Rs. 40) or Private Taxi. ) If you are coming by a plane, From Ahmedabad Airport you should get private Taxi or Airport's pre-paid Taxi Service.

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Spiritual Discourses and Gnanvidhi in the presence of Atmagnani Pujya Deepakbhai Trimandir Adalaj 28 October (Tue) - 8-30 pm to 10-30 pm - Bhakti on the Occassion of Dipawali 29 October (Wed) - 9 am to 11 am - Pujan-Darshan-Bhakti on the Occassion of New Year Note : If you want accommodation for above program, pl. register your name on (079) 39830400.

Spiritual Retreat in English In the presence of Atmagnani Pujya Deepakbhai (Specially for English Speaking Seekers) Date : 4 to 7 December, 2008 Time : Everyday 9:30 am to 11:30 am, 4:30 pm to 6:30 pm Gnanvidhi (Self-Realization Experiment) - 5th December, 4:30 pm to 7:30 pm Venue : ‘Tri-Mandir’, Simandhar City, Ahmedabad-Kalol Highway, Adalaj, Dist.: Gandhinagar-382421, Gujarat, India.

Contact : +91 9924343434, Email : simcity@dadabhagwan.org For more information and registration, visit http://www.dadabhagwan.org/spiritual-retreat.html or contact on above phone/email.

Watch Pujya Dr. Niruma on T.V. Channels India :

STAR Plus, Everyday 6:30 to 7 AM 'Vignan, Shashwat Sukh Ka'

Doordarshan (National), Thu-Fri 7:30 to 8 AM (In Hindi) Doordarshan Marathi (Sahyadri), Mon-Tue-Thu 7:30 to 8 AM (In Marathi) Doordarshan DD-1, Everyday 3:30 PM to 4 PM (In Gujarat, In Gujarati) Watch same prog. at same time, outside Gujarat on DD-Gujarati All over the World (except India) on 'Sony TV' Mon-Fri 7 to 7:30 AM (In Hindi) U.S.A. : 'TV Asia' Everyday 7 to 7:30 AM EST (In Gujarati) U.K.-Europe : 'MA TV' Everyday 7:30 to 8 AM

Watch Pujya Deepakbhai Desai on T.V. Channels India :

Zee Gujarati, Everyday 7 to 7:30 AM (In Gujarati) DD-Gujarati Everyday, 9 to 9:30 PM - 'Gnan Prakash' (In Gujarati)

U.S.A. : U.K. :

'SAHARA ONE' Mon to Fri 9 to 9-30 AM EST (In Gujarati)

'MA TV', Everyday 5 to 5:30 PM

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