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JUNE 15, 2016
P U B L I S H ER
Stacey Farish EDI TOR
Joe Utichi C R EAT I V E DIR ECTO R
Craig Edwards
AS S I STA N T E D ITO R
Matt Grobar
DEA DL I NE CO - E D ITO R- IN- CHIE FS
Nellie Andreeva Mike Fleming Jr.
AWA R DS ED ITO R & CO LUM NIST
Pete Hammond
DEA DL I NE CO NTR IBUTO RS
Peter Bart Anita Busch Anthony D’Alessandro Lisa de Moraes Jeremy Gerard Patrick Hipes Ali Jaafar David Lieberman Ross Lincoln Dominic Patten Erik Pedersen Denise Petski David Robb Nancy Tartaglione
C HA I R MA N & CEO
Jay Penske
V I C E C HA I RM A N
Gerry Byrne
C HI EF OP ERATING O FFICE R
George Grobar
S EN I OR V I C E PR ES ID E NT, B U S I NES S D EV E LO PM E NT
Craig Perreault
G EN ERA L CO UNS E L & S .V. P. , HU MA N R ES O URCES
Todd Greene
V I C E P R ES ID E NT, CR EATIV E
Nelson Anderson
V I C E P R ES ID E NT, FINA NCE
Ken DelAlcazar
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FIRST TAKE On Set: Bates Motel welcomes a new writer Christian Slater becomes Mr. Robot Peaky Blinders demands your respect Liev Schreiber tackles Ray Donovan Donald Trump runs for an Emmy in TV manipulation
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COVER STORY The People v. O.J. Simpson sheds new light on the ’90s most infamous criminal trial
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THE DIALOGUE Jennifer Lopez Ray Liotta Olivia Wilde David Duchovny Gillian Anderson Kerry Washington Krysten Ritter Melissa Rosenberg Miranda Otto
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FLASH MOB Deadline’s Emmy Party and a plethora of AwardsLine panels
V I C E P R ES ID E NT, T V ENT ERTA INM E NT SA LES
Laura Lubrano
DI R ECTOR , FILM & TV
Carra Fenton
ACCOU N T EXECUTIV ES , FILM & TV
Brianna Hamburger Tiffany Windju
A D SA L ES CO O R D INATO RS
Kristina Mazzeo Malik Simmons
P RODU CT I ON D IR ECTO R
Natalie Longman
A DV ERT I S I N G INQ UIR IES
Stacey Farish 310-484-2553 sfarish@pmc.com
ON THE COVER: SARAH PAULSON, CUBA GOODING JR., AND COURTNEY B. VANCE PHOTOGRAPHED BY JOSH TELLES THIS PAGE: KERRY WASHINGTON PHOTOGRAPHED BY ERIC SCHWABEL
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BATES AND SWITCH Freddie Highmore makes his writing debut as we go behind the scenes at Bates Motel. by m at t g roba r FORTY MINUTES OUT FROM DOWNTOWN VANCOUVER, on
pairings there ever was. At the location of the show’s
showrunners Carlton Cuse and
From their initial meeting, the
Kerry Ehrin created their set from
collaboration between co-creators
an otherwise ordinary road, there’s
exterior sets in Aldergrove, a man
original plans for Psycho—the motel
Cuse and Ehrin felt, to Cuse, like the
an old motel that may look quite
appropriately titled “the innkeeper”
and the creaky haunted house on
perfect combination—“like choco-
familiar, if only you know where
watches over the hotel as part of a
the hill. The pair agreed to depart
late and peanut butter.” Though both
to look. This is the Bates Motel, a
24/7 security effort. Walking through
from the original film by setting their
showrunners are based in L.A., Cuse
gorgeous re-creation of the original
the hollowed-out husk of the Bates
contemporary update in fictional
contributes mostly through notes on
set from Alfred Hitchcock’s Psycho,
house one cloudy day in March, he
White Pine Bay, Oregon, in order to
story pitches, outlines and scripts,
the cinema classic that ran shivers
points out a few interesting items to
capture “the misty, woodsy quality
crediting Ehrin with “putting pen to
down the spines of people across
be found around the set, including a
of the northwest” that is so suited to
paper in the most beautiful way” and
the nation in 1960. It was built for
cardboard cutout of Hitchcock, who
Norman’s gloomy world. Before the
handling the day-to-day challenges
the A&E series Bates Motel, starring
stands peering out the second floor
sets were built, “I think [the location]
of production. Concurrent with
Freddie Highmore and Vera Farmiga
window.
was an old sanitation dump,” Ehrin
Bates, Cuse runs the set of another
laughs. “And it just kind of grew out
NBC series, Colony, in Los Ange-
of the ground.”
les, yet he humbly underplays the
as Norman and Norma Bates, one of the most dysfunctional mother-son
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With the help of production designer Mark Freeborn,
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FREDDIE VS. NORMAN On the Bates Motel set, Max Thierot, Freddie Highmore and Vera Farmiga go for a take around the dinner table (main image). From top, Highmore talks through his script, the cast chairs, and the minutiae of the intricate sets.
challenges involved. “I think a lot of
script supervisor Corey Jones makes
this weird ability to see through the
in the past, Farmiga acknowledges
successful people are busy people,
it clear that continuity in scenes
nuances that define every single
that even she would be terrified to
and I look around the landscape and
involving food is a particular chal-
character.” The same can certainly
enter into the domain of the writer.
I’m doing about half as many epi-
lenge. “It’s the worst, actually.” This
be said of the actor, who Ehrin
“To actually take on the entire psy-
sodes a season as Shonda Rhimes,”
is a fairly standard day of production
credits with bringing his significant
chology, character by character… for
Cuse says.
on Bates with the exception of one
understanding of character into the
a 24-year-old man to jump into the
fact: Highmore wrote the screenplay
writers’ room.
skin and the psyche of a 42-year-old
Today at the Vancouver Film Studios, a climactic dinner scene
for this episode, episode 8 of Season
is being shot involving Norman,
4, which aired May 2.
Norma, and Sheriff Romero (Nestor
Describing the evolution of a
Highmore’s co-star, Vera Farmiga,
woman, and the position she’s been
was very impressed with the way
in, takes a heck of a lot of balls and
he functioned as an actor’s writer,
imagination and risk and empathy.
Carbonell), Norma’s most recent
character he has played over the
incorporating moments of humor
It blows me away that he could do
love interest who finds himself the
course of four seasons and as many
and generally sculpting scenes in
that,” she admits. “I’m not going to
target of Norman’s aggression. Din-
years, Highmore notes, “Norman is
a way that was rewarding to play.
say that I wasn’t surprised. I was
ner scenes are tricky, requiring an
very insightful in this fourth season.
Admittedly, she was nervous for
actually sweating it for him. He’s
enormous amount of coverage, and
Perhaps better than anyone, he has
Highmore—though she has directed
a kid. He’s a baby. And he did an
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at which point he was involved with pitching nuanced beats for his episode. Highmore stresses that the writers’ room on Bates, like the set overall, was a non-competitive environment— “a true sort of collaboration.” Even with the support of a welcoming cast and crew around him, executing this episode was no easy feat. Though the series is a contemporary prequel, which trades in the ‘60s era for a world of texting and DNA evidence, the heavy, difficult issues, including domestic and sexual abuse, trauma, and violence against women, remain the same. The show’s leads, Norma and Norman, have lives that leave room for one another and no one else, which is why Ehrin feels that Bates is the most challenging series she has ever had to write for. “It’s about a dysfunctional family, and the dance of a dysfunctional family is, they never change. They want to, but it never sticks.” Moving forward into the final seaTHE PORCH TRIALS On a stage at Vancouver Film Studios, the famous stoop from the Bates House gets a touch-up.
son of Bates Motel, Cuse and Ehrin are leaving a little to the imagination.
outstanding job.” Like Farmiga, the Bates showrun-
to me about leaving the show behind in between seasons, after putting
ners remain ever surprised by High-
so much into it on set for four, five
more, having never experienced an
months.”
actor offering to write for the show. “I
Walking through the interior sets
“I DON’T THINK THE WRITERS NECESSARILY SEE THE SHOW ENDING WITH MARION CRANE PULLING UP TO THE HOUSE AND IT BEING LIKE, ‘NORMAN’S ARRIVED,’ YOU KNOW?”
“We have guideposts and we know the destination. How exactly we’re going to get there… that’s kind of the fun of writing it, and that’s what we’ll be doing when we get back in the writer’s room,” Ehrin says. What
also never had an experience where
at Vancouver Film Studios—through
the lead actor of a television series
the lamp-lit wooden halls, and into
spent the summer between seasons
Norman’s bedroom, full of Norman’s
of the show working at a law firm
childhood artifacts—Highmore’s
in Madrid, translating documents
affection for this set and the series
from Spanish to English,” Cuse quips.
are clear. Here, he says, “Everything
Highmore is clearly a special case; an
seems to have a real weight of actual
actor that Cuse places in the great
history,” and it only makes sense that
have any chance of escaping what
tradition of multi-threat performers
as Norman’s character evolves in his
we presume is their inevitable fate?”
including Warren Beatty and, more
understanding of the world, High-
For Highmore, the answer is yes. “I
recently, Ben Affleck. “Freddie’s a
more evolves along with him.
don’t think the writers necessarily
renaissance man, and I like to joke
Though Bates isn’t Highmore’s
Ehrin can confirm is that several central characters, including Norma’s brother Caleb, will return to the fold, as Norma struggles to find happiness and peace in her life. For Cuse, the question going forward is, “Do these two characters
see the show ending with Marion
with him that I think he’s secretly
first entrée into writing—he’s also
Crane pulling up to the house and
in MI6, because he speaks fluent
sold a pilot to Sky, a British broad-
it being like, ‘Norman’s arrived,’ you
Spanish and fluent Arabic, and went
caster, and has written yet another
know? There’s certainly this open-
to Cambridge. He probably really is a
pilot with Ehrin. “I think a lot people
ness as we get towards next season
spy, but he’s so savvy that there’s no
who start writing literally have a fear
of moving past events in Psycho,
way to actually confirm that.”
of the process because it’s fear of
or there’s that fluidity with the
the unknown,” Ehrin says. “So when
storytelling.”
Highmore fears that referencing his study of language and literature
you are shepherding someone who’s
“sounds really wanky,” but his desire
starting, a lot of what you’re doing is
pany, this is where the excitement
to write wasn’t based purely in aca-
just dispelling fear.” Highmore was
is—what makes Bates Motel such an
demia. “I think it was born naturally
brought into the writers’ room “later
innovative and unique piece of story-
out of working on a television show,
on in the game, once the overall sea-
telling. Says Cuse, “I think history will
because there was something odd
son arc had been broken” on cards,
be very kind to Bates Motel.” ★
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Gold Derby’s Emmy Odds At press time, here is how Gold Derby’s experts ranked the Emmy chances in the Drama Series Actor and Actress races. Get up-to-date rankings and make your own Emmy predictions at GoldDerby.com
LEAD ACTOR DRAMA SERIES
ODDS
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Kevin Spacey House of Cards
1/10
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Bob Odenkirk Better Call Saul
5/1
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Bobby Cannavale Vinyl
5/1
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Clive Owen The Knick
5/1
5
Damian Lewis Billions
5/1
LEAD ACTRESS DRAMA SERIES
WHEN SAM AND RAMI MET CHRISTIAN
Why Christian Slater was perfect for Mr. Robot. BY ANTHONY D’ALESSANDRO FROM EARLY ON IN HIS ACTING CAREER,
thought of a weird, anarchistic guy. And with Elliot,
Christian Slater has been known as the prophet;
they’re the odd couple, but subconsciously, he
the soap box soothsayer who tells us what’s wrong
must have been there.” Slater was easily won over
with society and how to fix it just as the credits are
by the script and Esmail’s vision after meeting the
about to roll.
AFI grad and director of indie romance Comet.
In his breakthrough role as high school loner J.D. in 1988’s Heathers, Slater’s bomb-toting
“when getting my first fitting done. The Mr. Robot
character proclaims that heaven is best because
costume was out for the first time, and I’m like
“it’s the only place different social types can
‘They got a guy.’”
generally get along”. Slater followed this up with
The duo’s first scene together was in an
another teen demagogue in 1990’s Pump Up the
amusement park ferris wheel, where Mr. Robot
Volume, as an enigmatic high school pirate radio
lays out his plans. Slater received his lines two
DJ who inspires students to revolt against The
days prior and had to memorize them. “To get
Man. And like a great whiskey that’s been left in
thrown in a cage on Coney Island and to do that
the barrel to prove, with Mr. Robot, Sam Esmail
scene for the first time, it was the inaugural one
has uncorked Slater’s spirit once again as a
and a fantastic way to start,” remembers Slater.
cyber-architect who rattles the head of a young
“It was Rami, myself and the camera, and it gave
protégé (Rami Malek as Elliot Alderson) to rock
us opportunity to play off each other and get a
the Illuminati rulers off their perches.
sense. Niels [Arden Oplev], the director, said if I
“I did not think of casting Christian when I created this character,” confesses Esmail. “I just
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ODDS
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Viola Davis How to Get Away with Murder
1/10
2
Claire Danes Homeland
5/1
3
Eva Green Penny Dreadful
5/1
4
Julianna Margulies The Good Wife
5/1
5
Kerry Washington Scandal
5/1
SUPPORTING ACTOR DRAMA SERIES
ODDS
1
Peter Dinklage Game of Thrones
1/10
2
Alan Cumming The Good Wife
5/1
3
Beau Bridges Masters of Sex
5/1
4
Christian Slater Mr. Robot
5/1
5
Jim Carter Downton Abbey
5/1
SUPPORTING ACTRESS DRAMA SERIES
ODDS
1
Uzo Aduba Orange is the New Black
1/10
2
Christine Baranski The Good Wife
5/1
3
Emilia Clarke Game of Thrones
5/1
4
Joanne Froggatt Downton Abbey
5/1
5
Kate Mulgrew Orange is the New Black
5/1
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Cinematic quality and breathless action” — THE WASHINGTON POST
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BOSCH TOWN Titus Welliver on the second season of Amazon’s detective hit. BY DOMINIC PATTEN “THE ONE THING NOW that speaks vol-
of the box even stronger the second season,
umes about the books is that I can read them
and the third season is moving in that same
on airplanes or on the beach, but I can’t read
direction. It’s even more complex storytelling
those books the way I read other books in
than in the previous two seasons.”
bed at night before I go to sleep, because I
That complexity, and Bosch’s powerful
can’t stop reading them until they are done,”
personification by Welliver, also finds strength
says Titus Welliver of Michael Connelly’s best
and solace in the City of Angels itself, which is
selling Harry Bosch novels.
virtually a character in the show. “I think Los
Welliver’s appreciation for the books on
Angeles is really well depicted in the show,”
which Amazon’s Bosch series—starring the
the SAG Award nominee asserts. “I’m not an
Good Wife alum as the jazz-loving, idiosyn-
Angeleno, I’m a New Yorker, although I’ve lived
cratic and intense LAPD detective—is mani-
in L.A. on and off. But for me, I find that in the
fest. Having now notched two 10-episode
discovery of these places we show on the
seasons of the Eric Overmyer-developed
show, we demonstrate a rich history of this
series on his belt, and brought the sharp-
town and its underbelly.
elbowed cop to life for the streaming screen,
“So often the temptation is to take a
character actor Welliver is strapped in for a
show where you are going to have the tax
third season, which is being written as we
incentives and save a couple of bucks, but
speak based on Connelly’s 1992 The Black
thank god, Connelly said filming in L.A. was a
Echo and 2001’s A Darkness More Than Night. “I think that the scope of Season 2 was
make or break deal,” the actor recalls of the author and EP. “He said, ‘You’ve got to shoot
bigger and broader than the first season,” he
it here because the city is totally intrinsic to
notes. “Obviously, the writing is at the fore-
the storytelling.’”
front of that, but I think we really came out
Yes it is, Harry Bosch. Yes it is.
Emmy Outlier: Why Peaky Blinders deserves
the attention of the Television Academy this season.
PEAKY BLINDERS SNUCK INTO the Emmy eligibility period by a razor's edge on May 31 when Netflix made all six episodes of Season 3 available. Academy members would do themselves a favor to check out this critical darling, which has a fervent fan base in over 160 countries, yet remains an awards outlier in the U.S. Created by the prolific and versatile Oscar-nominated writer, Steven Knight, the atmospheric gangster saga is a passion project for the Birmingham native who was inspired by stories of his own great uncle’s past as a member of the real Peaky Blinders crew. It mixes
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swagger, grit and gravitas in a period setting juxtaposed with a contemporary soundtrack. Think Nick Cave, Radiohead and even the late David Bowie, who was such a big fan that he lent one of his final songs, Lazarus, to the Peaky team this season. The story is steered by Cillian Murphy as Tommy Shelby, the conflicted leader of a family whose rise to wealth and power comes with worldshattering consequences. A theme for Knight has been whether people can ever really escape their origins. Season 3 is arguably its best to date, and leaves Tommy at what Knight calls “his most nihilistic”.
It’s testament to Murphy’s abilities that his tumultuous arc is seamless throughout. He says, “It’s like some mad mathematical equation that you’re trying to solve. But you just rely on a great production team, a great director and a great crew, and you just kind of hang on for dear life.” Helen McCrory, Paul Anderson, Tom Hardy, Paddy Considine and Annabelle Wallis are also stand-outs in an overall robust and nuanced cast. Producer Caryn Mandabach says that along with their pure talent, all of the actors have a “collective intellectual brilliance. Ours is an underdog story. Of course I’m going to say, and mean, that
PEAK PRACTICE Cillian Murphy & Helen McCrory.
I think they are among the finest actors working.” Of Knight, she says, “Steve continually surprises and delights us in every single choice he makes.” Murphy adds, “We’re lucky to have encountered Steve Knight in his
purple patch. He’s in this period of creativity which is seemingly limitless.” The series was recently renewed by the BBC for Seasons 4 and 5. So really, by order of the Peaky Blinders, fookin’ catch up already. —Nancy Tartaglione
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HAVE MERCY
With a Downton-sized gap in their schedule, PBS has big plans for Mercy Street. PREMIERING JANUARY 17 on PBS, following the sixth and final season of another acclaimed period piece—twelve-time Emmy winner Downton Abbey—medical drama Mercy Street went behind the battle lines of the American Civil War, following the lives and harrowing personal dramas of medical professionals engaged with one of the most fraught, bloody and fascinating periods in American history. Executive produced by Ridley Scott, David W. Zucker (pulling double duty on Amazon’s The Man in the High Castle), David Zabel (ER) and Lisa Wolfinger, the six-hour first season was produced in and around Richmond, Virginia, a pivotal region in the Union-Confederate conflict which, incidentally, is also a mere hop and a skip from PBS’s Arlington headquarters. Centering around Mary Elizabeth Winstead
RAY
and Hannah James in their portrayal of volunteer nurses on opposite sides of the war, whose lives intersect in the Virginian border town of Alexandria, the series also stars Josh Radnor,
OF LIGHT
Cameron Monaghan, Gary Cole, and Norbert Leo Butz, whose antagonistic turn on the series as surgeon Byron Hale echoes his disturbing
Liev Schreiber on the complicated psychology of Ray Donovan.
arc in the recently released second season of Netflix drama Bloodline.
BY DOMINIC PATTEN
For purposes of historical accuracy, the series’ producers enlisted a team of historical advisors, headed up by famed historian James McPherson. Zucker points to a certain universality of theme amidst the show’s very specific focus. “What is so enticing and compelling about this material is that you recognize the challenges these characters are facing,” he says.
“IN SOME WAYS, Ray Donavan is about how
the messes of his own family; especially those of
“These are people who were trying to survive
difficult it is for a man—a grown man—in our
his criminally inclined father Mickey, played by Jon
and find love—find purpose and meaning in
society,” suggests Liev Schreiber of the acclaimed
Voight.
this turbulent time— and Mercy Street brings
Showtime series about the elite Hollywood
audiences very much into the very heart of
fixer. “Of course, this character was created by
aspect of his pain is certainly articulated in that,
that world, and into the grit and the reality and
a woman, and the idea of what we as a society
but I think the other part is that survivor psychol-
sweat of these lives.”
see as a real man is a completely prehistoric idea.
ogy,” Schreiber offers about the season past, as
And an arcane construct, if that really exists,” he
Season 4 of Ray Donovan gets ready to launch on
successor to Downton in all regards, Mercy
adds, with a shout-out to Donovan creator Ann
June 26. “In many ways, Spotlight was about the
Street was picked up for a second season in
Biderman.
same thing.”
March. –Matt Grobar
With Katie Holmes and Ian McShane join-
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“Ray’s going through a midlife crisis and one
Ray Donovan relies on its sunny and welcom-
ing the cast, Season 3 of the Emmy-nominated
ing SoCal setting. “L.A. is one of these wonder-
series saw Schreiber’s Donovan laid low by loss,
ful places where you can hide in plain sight,”
revelations of past clerical abuse, betrayal and
Schreiber notes, “and I think that suited Ray for
revenge. As always, the Tony-winning actor cap-
a while. But I think he’s starting to rot from the
tures the sprawling contradictions and conflicts
inside out.”
in the character. An onscreen situation never
Whatever has been or will be for Ray Donovan,
made easy by the Tinseltown messes, South
Liev Schreiber has him in the ring swinging for the
Boston-born Donavan finds himself cleaning up
stars—and that’s a TKO right there.
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Embraced by critics, and a seemingly viable
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“PERFECTION”
“GAME-CHANGER”
“TRANSFIXING”
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RAMI MALEK OUTSTANDING LEAD ACTOR IN A DRAMA SERIES
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CO LUMN that Trump had “mastered the cable
were outlawed, then had to walk it
news cycle unlike anyone in his-
back in a statement.
tory”. He did so by turning it into the reality TV cycle. That same month,
ist Keith Olbermann has been able
just when pundits thought the race
to remain in the public eye with an
could not get any more reality-TV, six
entertaining series of pieces about
former candidates from Trump’s The
being unable to stomach living in
Apprentice threw a news conference
Trump’s namesake tower since the
to denounce the candidate. It was
developer became a candidate.
covered—seriously—by some TV
AND THE EMMY FOR OUTSTANDING MANIPULATION OF TV GOES TO... With a campaign that’s at turns outrageous, hilarious and horrifying, Donald Trump surely deserves a gong. BY L I SA D E M O R A E S
IF THE MARK OF A BRILLIANT PERFORMER is the ability to captivate large numbers of viewers while profoundly changing the TV landscape, then reality-TV star turned GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump surely deserves an Emmy Award. Norman Lear has called the former Apprentice tyrant a real-life Archie Bunker (though some have suggested he more closely resembles Born Yesterday heavy Harry Brock, or A Face in the Crowd’s Larry Rhodes). On Showtime’s The Circus, GOP strategist Ed Rogers—who worked with Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush—called Trump “not articulate, not poised, not informed.” And yet, Trump is the patron saint
Trump has also been a boon for
news operations, as Kwame Jackson
late-night TV. Recently Jimmy Kimmel
urged, “Let us chose Kennedy over
scored a place in the news cycle when
Kardashianism each and every time.”
he asked Trump a question sent in to
Along the way, Trump made TV
JIMMY AND THE TRUMP Donald Trump has been a boon for late-night TV.
Meanwhile, between-gigs journal-
him by next night’s guest Bernie Sand-
stars. It started with that August
ers, challenging Trump to a debate.
debate, when Fox News Channel’s
(Trump initially agreed, but backed out
Megyn Kelly noted Trump had, over
a couple days later.)
the years, called women he did not
Kimmel turned journalist on
like “fat pigs,” “dogs,” “slobs” and
Trump that night, asking him about
“disgusting animals,” and had once
that 1991 recording of someone
told a female contestant on Celeb-
claiming to be Trump’s publicist,
rity Apprentice it “would be a pretty
but sounding just like him, talking
picture to see her on her knees”.
to People magazine about Trump’s
“Does that sound to you like the
first divorce. “It didn’t sound like me,”
temperament of a man we should
Trump insisted. Responded Kimmel:
elect as president?” she asked him,
“No. Sounded like you.”
rhetorically. The next day, Trump complained
Trump has changed the rules of the TV news game. Phoning in inter-
to CNN’s Don Lemon—making Kelly’s
views is now okay, thanks to Trump.
point in the process—that she had
Debates can’t be three hours long
asked him “all sorts of ridiculous
anymore, thanks to Trump. He even
questions and…you could see there
demanded he be paid for his debate
was blood coming out of her eyes,
appearances, and very nearly pulled it
blood coming out of here—wherever.
off when networks tried to land that
A star was born.
debate with Sanders, though it was
“You may have heard there
being couched as cash for a charity.
was a dustup involving Yours Truly
Trump also created a new TV
and presidential contender, Don-
genre: political horror. This according
ald Trump,” Kelly simpered soon
to Republican strategist Frank Luntz,
thereafter. Before long, she was out
who recently described Trump’s
promoting her new book on TV news
momentum to Rolling Stone. Republi-
programs and late-night shows. “It
can party intelligentsia, he said, knew
was bizarre because I became the
something was out there but did not see it until they were getting stabbed.
John Oliver announced last fall he
story...You never want to be the story
of ratings, having brought millions of
“couldn’t give less of a shit” about
when you’re a news person,” she told
Added New York Times op-ed
new viewers to the election cycle.
Trump and would not discuss him.
ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos.
writer Charles M. Blow: “When you
By late February, though, Oliver con-
After telling Stephen Colbert, after
compare your own base to the killer
most-watched program in cable
ceded defeat, devoting an episode
telling Jimmy Fallon.
in a slasher flick, you know you have a
news history. A whopping 24 million
of his late-night to a takedown of the
people tuned in to the first GOP
candidate on the eve of Super Tues-
thews sexy, when he appeared in a
debate of this election cycle, on Fox
day. Oliver later acknowledged, to
Matthews-hosted MSNBC town hall
entertainment programming, though
News Channel. One month later, the
Stephen Colbert, that he’d misread
and got scolded for trying to dodge a
it seems just a matter of time given
second GOP debate—again starring
Trump’s candidacy, explaining, “I
question about abortion. “This is not
his current trajectory. He’s already got
Trump and this time three hours
didn’t think I’d have to care.” On the
something you can dodge,” Mat-
GOP pundits talking like characters
long—averaged 23 million viewers on
bright side, bowing to the inevitable
thews demanded. “Do you believe in
from Paddy Chayefsky’s Network. And
CNN. That is the largest audience
brought Oliver his most watched
punishment for abortion, yes or no, as
during its most recent season, Netflix’s
in CNN’s 30-year history and the
Last Week Tonight episode to date:
a principle?” The exchange made big
House of Cards came in for comments
second biggest audience in U.S. cable
nearly 27 million YouTube views.
news when Trump said women who
that it seemed a tad tame compared
have abortions should undergo some
to the prospect of a Donald Trump
form of punishment if the procedure
White House. ★
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news history. Even so, HBO political satirist
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From anthology master Ryan Murphy, American Crime Story examines the dark underbelly of America’s passions and prejudices. Beginning with The People v. O.J. Simpson, which made the nation reevaluate the most infamous murder trial of all time, stars Sarah Paulson, Cuba Gooding Jr. and Courtney B. Vance, and producers Nina Jacobson and Brad Simpson, explain why crime isn’t the exclusive preserve of criminals.
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and this was before the limited model of television had come back.” Later, after Mad Men, Breaking Bad and The Sopranos had rewritten the landscape of television, their company Color Force signed a first-look deal with FX, and the pair met with Gina Balian, who was scouting for series. They thought about The People v. O.J. Simpson and pitched it as a one-off. Balian bought it in the room, and connected the producers with Ryan Murphy, who had tremendous success at FX with the anthology series American Horror Story. “He read the script, and wanted to be involved,” Jacobson recalls. The producers chalk it up to their naïvety about television production that the first two scripts they’d commissioned, from Scott Alexander and Larry Karaszewski, were too grand for television, and Murphy worked with the writers to tighten them and make them network-ready, without stripping
Cuba Gooding Jr. was in South Central L.A., sometime in the early ’90s. He had just had a massive success with Boyz n the Hood, the John Singleton film about three men’s lives in the Crenshaw ghetto, and it was coming to HBO. The HBO house style of the time was to take the cast of whatever series or film was premiering that month, deposit them at a location that had something to do with the project with which they were associated, and have them film a bumper teaser promoting the airdate. If it were a film about lifeguards, for example, the cast would turn up on a Santa Monica beach and frolic in the sand for 30 seconds at a time. But Boyz n the Hood wasn’t a film about lifeguards. And so he found himself shooting a bumper teaser for his movie in the ghettos of South Central.
the key theme of the show, which is that for a trial we all remember, we know so precious little about it. The show played on that know-but-don’t-know nature all the way to its casting. Gooding is amongst the names brought on for The People v. O.J. Simpson as much because of his rise to fame in the ’90s as his abilities in front of the camera. The ’90s was also the decade that David Schwimmer—who played Ross on Friends—became an overnight household name. And it was when John Travolta—who played Vincent Vega in Quentin Tarantino’s Pulp Fiction in
“I WAS VERY NERVOUS of being in that area,”
wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, Ron
1994—experienced a career resurgence. “The thing
Gooding recalls now. “It was a hotbed of racial
Goldman, sent shockwaves because Simpson was
about this trial is that people became so famous,”
frustration and anger.” The shoot was doomed from
one of the most famous people on the planet. A
notes Brad Simpson. “You felt like you needed
the start. The Nation of Islam had been hired to
beloved football star and actor, Simpson was a mul-
people who had that sheen of fame about them in
secure the set, but there were no police on hand
timillionaire and a national hero. Innocent men don’t
these roles. For O.J. Simpson, Robert Kardashian
to keep things calm. “People just started grabbing
run, went much of the thinking at the time, and yet
and Robert Shapiro, it was important to have
lights off the truck,” he laughs now, remembering
O.J. had boarded his white Ford Bronco truck and
people who were in the public eye at the time.”
the chaos. “It was a disaster. It was crazy. We had to
taken off down the freeway, sparking a low-speed
jump in our cars and drive out of the city. That’s how
chase that was televised live to the nation.
racially tense it was back then.” The O.J. Simpson murder trial in 1994 was then
Two decades later, producer Brad Simpson had
“These were all number-one-on-the-call-sheet actors,” says Jacobson, “and yet, what this show required was almost like a play, because they all have
found Jeffrey Toobin’s 1997 book about the trial, The
to be in the courtroom with each other, witnessing
just the most recent incident in a flurry of racial
Run of His Life: The People v. O.J. Simpson, in a used
each other’s performances most of the time.”
tension that had been building in Los Angeles since
bookstore in Vancouver, where, along with his part-
They were all, rightfully, hesitant to sensational-
Rodney King was beaten by LAPD officers at the
ner Nina Jacobson, they were doing their usual day
ize an already sensational media event, but Ryan
intersection of Foothill and Osborne in East LA,
job: producing feature films like Diary of a Wimpy
Murphy, and the material, won them around.
sparking the LA riots. “There were certain areas in
Kid and The Hunger Games. They would trade
“It’s testament to Ryan to have convinced John
LA where you knew if you were driving down the
deep-dive journalism with one another whenever
Travolta—when he’d refused to play the part for a
street as a black man, and you passed a cop, he
they found something that piqued their interest, as
long time—to play Robert Shapiro,” says Gooding.
would do a U-turn and pull you out of the car to find
much to satisfy their curiosity as to scour for mate-
“And to see the brilliance of Courtney B. Vance’s
out why you were there. I remember feeling that,
rial to adapt. Toobin’s book had been out of print
channeling of Johnnie Cochran. To discover Sterling
back then: just driving in LA was a very tense thing.”
for years, but Brad Simpson was fascinated by the
Brown, as Darden, and the conflict and torment
It’s this tension that informs the 10-part FX
detail within it, and by how this contemporaneous
that character goes through. And to continue this
limited series American Crime Story: The People v.
account changed his view of the case. He shared
relationship he has with Sarah Paulson, who is
O.J. Simpson. To the predominantly white-run media
it with Jacobson. “We never thought about doing
giving a masterclass performance as Marcia Clark
of the time, Simpson’s arrest for the murder of his
anything with it, because it was too big for a feature,
in this piece.”
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Marcia, or Johnnie, or any of the other participants. We wouldn’t have known the drama. Via the news media, it looked like these dream teams were at each other’s throats, but we didn’t know any details.” “[The trial] was the first celebrated reality show extravaganza of its era,” notes Gooding. “Out of that trial were born a number of facets of celebrity that are still dissected today, from the Kardashians to Judge Judy and all of these shows.” “It’s funny,” adds Paulson, “because people have said to me that, if the trial were to happen today it would be very different for Marcia. She would have had more support. I completely disagree. There are so many platforms, now, from which to stand and bash people. Can you imagine the blare of it now with Twitter and Facebook and Instagram? The cacophony of sound?”
One day on set, Sarah Paulson checked her email more than she usually did. She was sitting on location in Los Angeles, not far from where Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman had been murdered, and she’d mentioned that fact in the message to which she was waiting on a response. People in the crew asked her—all day—whether she’d heard back yet. “It was like I’d written to someone I had a crush on,” Paulson says, “wanting to know if they’d go on a date with me.”
Still, the glare of the trial at the time, and the way people remember it, presented a unique challenge for the cast, who had to battle the preconceptions of a world that had dined out on Simpson’s legal troubles for almost a year. For Gooding, this meant tapping into O.J. Simpson’s emotional core, and discarding the rest. But he was surprised
BUT SHE DID HAVE A CRUSH, of a sort. When
those physical things in the show, and I don’t think
with the voracity of the enquiries he’s had about
Ryan Murphy approached her about The People
anyone noticed them,” Paulson laughs. “We had a
his own take on what went down on Bundy Drive
v. O.J. Simpson, she had consumed every book on
wonderful evening together, drank plenty of tequila,
that one fateful night. “It’s the first time I’ve played
the trial she could find. “I read Toobin’s book, I read
and closed the restaurant down.”
a character where people want to ask what my
Darden’s book and I read Marcia’s book, grabbing
They talked about life, they talked about art,
position is on his guilt or innocence more than they
information wherever I could.” The Marcia Clark
they talked about the O.J. trial; and Paulson noted
do my performance,” he laughs. “But it’s my job to
she found within the pages of the former prosecu-
the emotion in Clark’s voice when they settled on
give the director the tools he needs to manipulate
tor’s account of the trial had not been the dowdy
the latter. Professionally, O.J. Simpson’s acquittal
the performance in the editing room, and that puts
incompetent the news media had painted. “I came
had been a blow to Marcia Clark. But personally,
me in an almost schizophrenic frame of mind where
to have so much respect and admiration for her,”
the work that had gone into building the prosecu-
I can go from guilty to innocent in any moment. The
Paulson says now. “But I feared if I met her, I would
tion’s case, and the way the world scrutinized its
hardest part was playing this split personality. It was
all of a sudden feel like I had to tell every part of this
execution on live television, had been devastating.
almost like playing twins.”
story from the actual Marcia Clark’s point of view,
“If I loved her before, I loved her even more after
which might have got in the way of telling the story
this dinner,” says Paulson. “The thing that mattered
Marcia that she even knew it would be possible to
most of all to me was that there was integrity and
play the part. “Everybody enjoyed the pastime of
honesty in the performance, because she had so
making fun of her, belittling her and joking about
as it was written.” So she delayed sending an email to Clark until
It wasn’t until Paulson did her deep dive into
she was well into shooting. By that point, there were
much integrity, and her own moral compass was of
her appearance. Myself included, by the way. How
only three episodes left, and she’d just wrapped the
paramount importance to her.”
was I going to be able to offer up anything new? I
hardest task she faced on the show: the episode
When it started airing in February, The People
was scared—which typically is a sign that I have to
“Marcia, Marcia, Marcia”, which was all about Clark’s
v. O.J. Simpson became as much of a watercooler
do something. I had no idea the scripts would be
own trials as she prosecuted this case. She offered
topic as the trial it was depicting. Through the
so enlightening, and show a whole entire side of her
dinner, lunch, a drink, a coffee; anything that would
meticulous research of the writing staff, which
that no one even thought about at the time.”
have resulted in a scrap of Clark’s time.
extended well beyond the pages of Toobin’s book,
Vance also understood the big shoes he was
Marcia Clark opted for dinner. “And it was a
the show felt like it was breaking news every week:
stepping into by playing Cochran, whose infamous
surreal, out-of-body experience.” When she walked
sending facts into the world that the media of the
“if it doesn’t fit, you must acquit” defense rang
into the restaurant, Paulson’s immersion in all things
time didn’t know—or didn’t care—to report. “There
repeatedly in our ears. “I realized that I didn’t want
Marcia meant she recognized her instantly from
was only so much a camera in a courtroom was
to start imitating him. He had a very big life. He’s like
her gait and the way she used her hands. Clark had
going to pick up on,” notes Courtney B. Vance, who
Muhammad Ali, Ray Charles or Michael Jackson. I
wanted to be a dancer and had done a lot of training
plays defense lawyer Johnnie Cochran. “We weren’t
chose not to get engaged in that big life, and just try
in her youth that had informed her posture. “I did all
following them home. We weren’t with Darden and
to cut him down to size so that I could see him.”
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black man as president, and hopefully we’re on the verge of having the first woman become President of the United States. But all you need to do is go online and read the things people write to realize that, while there’s been forward movement, there hasn’t been enough.” Indeed, racial tension is a fire that remains alight, says Vance. “It’s the river that runs through this country, just as slavery was. From the establishment and development of this country, race has been the most important, primary issue that affects our nation. It’s always been there; we just want to pretend that it’s not there, and that we’re all one. But we’re not all one. Until we actually talk about and examine our differences in a sit-down, calm discussion, we won’t be able
Courtney B. Vance was a budding actor when he received an invitation to a party at O.J. Simpson’s house. Vance was a huge O.J. fan, like so many at the time. To him, O.J. was an icon of sport and a hero. So he was just happy to be in the room as ‘The Juice’ held court. “Of course, he was the life of the party and a wonderful man,” Vance remembers. “In my mind, he was someone who did wonderful work in the community and he helped celebrities at the same time. In the black community, he was a superstar.”
to learn anything.” It isn’t worth asking any of the people involved in this show whether it has changed their view of O.J. Simpson—it would have been impossible for it not to, given that, like us, they were casual viewers of the circus that ensued in 1994. And perhaps it’s an actor’s job to
LATER, HE’D BEEN WORKING ON Mario
when their jury consultant told them, ‘This case
Van Peebles’ film Panther when, gathered with
is about nothing but race, and since it is, you
identify—and maybe even empathize—with
his cast and crew in the lobby of a hotel after
need to put the case in Santa Monica. Make
the characters they play, regardless of their
a day’s shoot, he tuned into the 1994 NBA
sure you have white jurors.’ The prosecution
origin. Gooding is circumspect about the
Finals. When O.J. Simpson’s Bronco popped
said, ‘What are you talking about? This is about
man he has spent a year thinking about.
up in a box on the corner of the screen, he
the facts.’ Johnnie was a step ahead, and a step
“O.J. is just a sad fucking victim of his own
was concerned. The game was eventually
above.”
talents and profession,” he says now. “If he
preempted to go live to the chase, but Vance
Adds Gooding: “Whether he was guilty or
killed those people, it’s sad how that one act
not guilty, that whole aspect of the trial was
unraveled not just his own life but the lives of
potential of this going down, I couldn’t take it,”
left on the sidelines, because you had all of
his children and everybody involved. But it’s
he says. “It was too much for me.”
these other elements taking center stage. It
twice as sad to think that, if he was innocent,
was playing on people’s emotions,” about race,
his behavior, and the things he said and did,
celebrity and the climate of the time.
destroyed his career and affected his family
couldn’t bring himself to watch. “With the
In fact, he avoided the entire trial, tuning in finally to watch the verdict. Like many in the black community, Vance cheered when the jury
In the wake of the Ferguson unrest and the
announced that Simpson was innocent of the
Black Lives Matter movement, it’s small wonder,
for the rest of their lives.” Simpson is currently sitting in a cell at
charges against him. Because, like Gooding,
then, that the O.J. Simpson murder trial is back
Lovelock Correctional Center in Nevada, in
Vance knew the challenges of being black in Los
in the news. Prior to signing on for American
his eighth year of a 33-year stretch for armed
Angeles in the early 1990s. “O.J. was the right
Crime Story, Gooding had been offered a role
robbery, kidnapping and assault committed
person, right time, right situation; the perfect
as O.J. Simpson in a feature film about the
in 2007. He will be eligible for parole next
storm for us all to see how deep the race issues
case, which he had turned down. And ESPN
year. Gooding believes the murder trial and
were in this country. If it had happened to an
started airing a five-part, nearly eight-hour
Simpson’s acquittal have a part to play in the
average, everyday black Joe, it wouldn’t have
documentary about the man and the trial this
length of his sentence for these crimes. “I
garnered the attention.”
past Saturday. “People are starting to question
can’t tell you how O.J. feels today because I
authority,” Gooding says, “whereas before
haven’t spoken to him,” he says, “but I’m sure
members of Simpson’s defense team who
they just accepted the fact that it was easier
there’s a part of him that feels he got royally
recognized the climate of the time, and how
to govern a people with fear. As we look back,
screwed on this latest conviction. If he was
much it would bring to bear on the case. “He
hopefully we’re learning from the mistakes of
innocent [of the murders], now he’s being
knew that this was the case he’d been waiting
our past.”
Johnnie Cochran was one of the few
for,” says Vance. “Nobody else in the trial knew what was at stake. The prosecution didn’t listen
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“You can’t deny that some progress has been made,” notes Paulson. “We do have a
victimized. And if he was guilty, now he feels like he’s paying penance. To even wrap your head around that shit is mind-blowing.”
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change tack, with Season 2 of the show placing the emphasis on the American response to Hurricane Katrina. “We started talking about ‘American crime stories’ as being before and after moments—crimes in which nothing was the same after as it was before,” says Jacobson. “They’re turning points. As we started looking at O.J. and Katrina next to each other, we realized that they were crimes in which America was culpable for the crime as much as anybody else.” In the case of Katrina, that means examining the neglect and disparity of care that followed the storm’s landfall on August 25 2005. “To explore these things from a character foundation, and to revel in the shades of grey—to explore moments in which there’s a disparity between the way our country wants to see itself and the way we actually are— that’s been a really inspiring perspective for us.” Adds Jacobson: “It’s a very different story to O.J., but we’re optimistic that if we dive deep and focus on great characters, we can have another great season of television.” Those characters will differ from the denizens of the O.J. case, because there weren’t so many ‘breakout stars’ in the wake of Katrina. “But the one thing it has in common with O.J.,” notes Brad Simpson, “is that America stopped and watched this thing happen, and it exposed some truths that maybe we didn’t want exposed. Things we didn’t want to admit to ourselves about this country.” The plan—as with Ryan Murphy’s other anthology series American Horror Story and Scream Queens—is to encourage as many of the cast from The People v. O.J. Simpson back as schedules allow. John Travolta, who flew to Louisiana after Katrina to assist in the rescue effort, has already gone on record to express his interest, and Paulson says now that she’s in too. “I would be more excited than almost anything to have a crack at something else with this same AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH The devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina in Louisiana in 2005.
creative team,” she admits. “For me, the idea of treating Katrina as an American Crime Story is
WHEN NINA JACOBSON AND BRAD SIMPSON
questions it asked about race, gender and celebrity,
incredibly resonant, powerful and accurate. The
pitched The People v. O.J. Simpson, which would
and yet we did. If anything, the lessons the O.J.
Katrina story, to me, is a literal American crime. It
become the first chapter in American Crime Story,
Simpson trial tried to teach were ignored, if not
says something about a uniquely American attitude,
they hadn’t conceived it as an anthology show that
actively rallied against, as 24-hour news media
and I find it incredibly potent. I’ve begged them, and
would run on after the conclusion of this particular
and the rise of the internet gave us all an excuse to
there have been some conversations.”
story. It was Ryan Murphy and FX who brought that
exercise opinions before they were fully-formed.
Paulson has relished the chance to change
And American Crime Story faces an uphill
gears every year with American Horror Story. “The
ambition, and it was conceived in the notion that crime is about apathy as much as action. In the case of O.J. Simpson, Toobin’s book about
struggle as it steers towards a second season,
idea of taking this repertory group of actors, who
thanks to the outpouring of critical praise and
tell different stories all the time anyway, and giving
the trial had made it clear that many injustices
interest heaped on The People v. O.J. Simpson. But
them an opportunity to go out every year and do
served to prejudice the perspectives of the nation
for the creative team, alighting on this broader
something different; to me it’s the greatest job in
that consumed it. There was no way to avoid the
definition of “American crime” has allowed them to
the world.” ★
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“These two people complete one another intellectually and emotionally. It’s highly romantic and yet not sexual, though there’s a lot of tension.” —Duchovny
★ KERRY WASHINGTON Confirmation
“I really studied every press conference and TV interview because I wanted to find her rhythm and her cadence through the truth of who she was.” —Washington
★ MELISSA ROSENBERG & KRYSTEN RITTER Jessica Jones “As soon as I got the part, I’m in the gym, getting beat up by a trainer, lifting. I’m a lanky girl. I’m not cool like Jessica Jones, so I had to change my posture.” —Ritter
★ MIRANDA OTTO Homeland “I think what we find most interesting in actors is some kind of paradox, some kind of juxtaposition of ideas so that we can never completely settle on who they are.” —Otto
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Liotta: I’m 61, so when I first started out, if you were doing a television show, it was the end of your career, and then things just changed about 10 years ago. They were casting people who were doing these 13-episode shows. I was happy with what I was doing, but you just want more as an actor. I just wanted to keep working with the best people, the best scripts, and that seemed to be
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the way it was going. Either you fight it and you just say, "Oh, I’m never going to do TV,"—and then you
Redefining the police procedural with Shades of Blue.
just sit home—or you play the game to beat them at the game. And this had the ingredients to do it.
BY PETE HAMMOND Jennifer, were you always going to star in the series when you were developing it? Lopez: No, no. Elaine [Goldsmith-Thomas] brought it to me for us to produce together. When we went into NBC and pitched it, they loved the whole idea, and they were like, “You’re not playing
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RITTY IS A WORD GENERALLY reserved for cable, but Jennifer Lopez and Ray Liotta instead hooked up with a broadcast network, NBC, for their gritty new cop series, Shades of Blue, with the promise that it be every bit as edgy and “envelope pushing” as anything on the cable networks. Lopez is a single mom and NYPD cop who gets enlisted by the FBI’s anti-corruption task force. Liotta plays the complicated and vice-fuelled lead detective of the team. Right off the bat the chemistry between these two stars was apparent, and the level of drama matches anything the cablers are serving up these days. In a wide-ranging conversation, they explained why they signed up, and what the magic formula is to make this show stand out.
this role?” Bob Greenblatt said to me, “You play this role, we’ll do it right now.” This is an amazing role, and it really made me think, okay, this is something that I want to happen. How do you balance your work on the series with your other commitments, including your Las Vegas show? Lopez: While I was shooting Shades, I was doing American Idol on the weekends. But we were also planning my Vegas show at that time. Then I went home and rehearsed for five weeks, and then we
This series feels risky in its portrayal of char-
in film. Now, going into network television,
were live on the show. So it was a challenging year.
acters who aren’t exactly model cops. The
perhaps with the expectation of new creative
It was a lot of work for me, but I just tried to stay
title Shades of Blue is very apt.
restrictions, what was it about this series
focused when I was on set.
Lopez: Yeah, it is. Shades of Blue is a cop show, but
that made you want to take it on?
Liotta: Yeah. You’d never know that she was doing
it’s really a show about human nature. It’s about
Lopez: What’s funny is, the network, when we
two other things.
people; it’s about what they would do when put to
were developing this, wanted us to push the enve-
Lopez: I just tried to be grateful for the fact that,
the test on certain things, how you can be a good
lope. They know what they’re competing with out
at this point in my career, I have this much going
person and really do fucked up things. And we do
there on cable.
on. But the truth is the quality of the work, of the
all the time.
Liotta: And [NBC chairman] Bob Greenblatt was
writing, of the actors, of Barry [Levinson], of the
the head of Showtime, so he’s always played that
producers, of the writers room—I felt like, this is
Watching your powerful chemistry on screen,
game.
my best work, you know? This was how I started
it’s surprising to note this is your first time
Lopez: And he knows what that is—and they’re
my career. This is who I am. I always saw myself as
working together.
like, push, push. We wanted to bring a cable show
an actress who danced and sang and had those
Liotta: Yeah, a lot of people say that. Everybody
to network TV; that was our goal, and I think we’re
talents as well, and I made my records later in my
says it.
doing that. And even with the restrictions, you see
career. I didn’t make my first record until I was
Lopez: It’s always a natural thing I find with actors,
a lot of it’s left to your imagination. You just have to
almost 30. So the acting was always the first thing.
if you have chemistry or not. And I always say you
lead them down the path.
That was where people got to know me.
can create some, but innately, there has to be a
Liotta: I grabbed a guy’s dick in a scene, and when
rapport, an easiness, a respect. I feel like we were
we were doing the shot, I figured, well, I’ll go with
You had police officers as consultants on the
willing to open up to each other and be those
the belt, or I’ll go with the hair. They say, no, they
show. What research was involved for you
people to each other.
want a close-up. I said, "Get the fuck out of here.
both in crafting these characters?
Liotta: Personally, I think that it starts from that;
There’s no way they want a close-up." But they
Lopez: I’ve played about 10 cops in my career.
we’ve all done things where you’re supposed to like
asked for a close-up, and so I said, "All right." It’s a fairly dicey portrayal of police officers.
somebody and you can’t stand the person, but in this case, as soon as I met Jen, she’s so open and
A lot of times with television, there’s an
Liotta: I’ve played so many cops that were bad,
honest, and we both respect each other’s work,
expectation of where a series is going to be
and the first people coming up to me would be
and just let it rip.
five years down the line. Ray, I read some-
cops. They know it’s make believe. They’re not
where that you were initially just looking for a
offended. They know it’s entertainment; we’re not
13-week gig.
indicting them in particular. ★
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Olivia WILDE ★
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sense of where she came from. She was an artist who was energized by chaos and an experimental sense of adventure; someone who never fit in the norm of society. I knew from early on that there had to be a reason behind her shift; why Richie and her moved to Greenwich. There was a traumatic event that changed the course of her life, to make
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that sacrifice in episode 6 where she’s pregnant
On her serendipitous casting in Vinyl, and making magic with Bobby Cannavale. B Y A N T H O N Y D ’A L E S S A N D R O
with their first child and she loses it and their best friend in a car crash.” In Cannavale, Wilde found a fellow actor who could emotionally flip on a dime, and tap into an icy rage; something she could draw from. “He’s creative, loose and eager to play. That comes from his years working in the theater,” says Wilde. Both actors were adamant that their connection onscreen had to be sublimely passionate. They could light each other’s fires, and yet were capable of destroying each other. While Richie
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OST AUTEURS PREFER THEIR STARLETS to be seen and not heard, but as any good writer or filmmaker knows, your actors only elevate the material on screen. With Olivia Wilde, Vinyl creators Martin Scorsese, Mick Jagger, Terence Winter and Rich Cohen have found a lynchpin collaborator, who has infused more blood and guts into her character Devon—a counter-culture 1970s free spirit femme and wife to rock label czar Richie Finestra—than possibly imagined. It’s arguably Wilde’s most definitive dramatic lead yet, after playing all sides in a variety of genres including TRON: Legacy, Cowboys & Aliens, Rush and The Incredible Burt Wonderstone. As Devon, Wilde exposes the shades, hues and warts of a tortured spouse who has outgrown her time.
battles a world that’s falling apart around him through coke and booze (his depreciating record label, not to mention he’s a suspect in a radio kingpin’s murder), Devon battles the mediocrity of suburbia and contends with her crazed man. Wilde credits Winter’s choice in making Richie a different type of guy from Tony Soprano: “Richie can’t bring himself to cheat on Devon, and that’s something that separates him from other antiheroes. Richie and Devon’s conflict is different.” The scene where Devon and Richie meet each other at the Velvet Underground for the first time, and make love in the bathroom, was a crucial
In directing the pilot for Vinyl, Scorsese yearned for Devon to be something more than just the
Devon. She was already a shoo-in. Wilde’s Devon on Vinyl is essentially the Factory
moment for the actors in regards to establishing their footing with the duo’s intensity.
unhappy housewife to an unhinged, cocaine-
girl that left Andy Warhol’s building. A promising
addled music exec. “Marty doesn’t see his females
fashionista photographer entrenched in the ’70s
two of them collide,” explains Wilde. “Bobby had a
as accessories to men,” said Wilde. “I found him
Gotham party scene, she’s an amalgamation of
lot of patience in this scene, performing it with no
to be an incredible feminist, treating his male and
British Invasion songwriter-performer Marianne
self-consciousness or nervousness. We main-
female characters equally.”
Faithfull and Factory gal Edie Sedgwick in regards
tained a real awareness of what we were trying to
to her art.
tell in that moment.”
When Devon cops Richie after a guitar playingdrunken bender in their den at the end of the pilot,
“She has this love for photography and an
“No pun, it was the big bang scene when the
When most marriages fall apart, quite often
Wilde thought, “I think there’s more there.” So, she
understanding of musicians, and is sensitive to the
the reasons for their unwinding were already there
pitched Scorsese something that wasn’t in the
artist’s way,” says Wilde, who also likens Devon to
before they even realized it. Wilde and Cannavale
script on the day of the shoot. “I drank whiskey
photographer Annie Leibovitz. “Women today can
wanted to play the reality of that. One flashback
and spat in Bobby [Cannavale]’s face,” says Wilde,
only exist in an independent way because of the
early on in the series showed Devon and Richie
“Marty walked up to me after and said, ‘Now, she’s
social revolution promoted by [women like] Devon.
fighting soon after they arrived in Greenwich.
somebody.’”
They found themselves to be part of the coun-
He wanted another child; she yearned to work.
terculture revolution of the 1960s, thus facing the
Rather than play the scene in shouts, the actors
an audition for The Wolf of Wall Street. She was up
Wilde forged a shorthand with Scorsese during
consumerism of the 1970s, whereby they had to
expressed their intention to play the drama in a
for the role of Leonardo DiCaprio’s wife—another
figure out a balance between living independently
flirty, pillow talk type of way.
domestic damsel who endures a monstrous alpha
and the life of a mother.”
male better-half—a part that went to Margot
In some ways, Devon was the ‘what-if’ spin
“It was one of the conversations early on in a marriage, where as a couple they didn’t realize
Robbie. It was during Wilde’s screentest that she
on Sedgwick, who was estranged from Warhol’s
the truth the other was saying. It’s when you don’t
found, “Marty and I had good sense of communi-
circle and met a tragic fate at 28. What if Sedgwick
hear what your spouse is telling you, when you’re
cation. It was so thrilling to see how he works. He’s
accepted Bob Dylan’s invitation to move up to
distracted by the haziness and newness of love,”
so clear about what he’s looking for and open to
Woodstock, NY for a better career and life, leaving
says the actress.
what you present, which is rare [in a director]. And
her debaucherous one at the Factory behind?
Looking back on that scene, Wilde adds,
he’s someone who is really observing and listening
Devon’s move to Greenwich, CT with Richie is a
“Bobby was in touch with that and understood it
to the actor.” As such, it comes as no surprise to
partial dramatization of that fantasy.
with these characters, and we were able to create
hear that Wilde didn’t have to read for the role of
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Gillian ANDERSON David DUC HOVNY ★
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The chemistry between Mulder and Scully was stronger than anything on television. Was that always there? Duchovny: That word always perplexes me, because Gillian and I never worked on our chemistry. We don’t come in, in the morning, and go, “How’s the chemistry? I really need some coffee with my chemistry this morning.”
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It’s really a mutual respect and enjoyment of
How The X-Files returned to find Mulder and Scully in different places. BY JOE UTICHI
acting with one another. What exists in the writing, as well, is that these two people are true partners and they complete one another intellectually and emotionally. It’s highly romantic and yet not sexual, though there’s a lot of tension. Chris always used to say that Mulder and Scully were one person when they were together… by which, I assume he meant they were Chris Carter.
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T WASN’T LONG AFTER CHRIS CARTER’S The X-Files first aired in 1993 that it became a global cultural phenomenon. A genre show, about a skeptic FBI agent and her partner—a man who believes in the existence of extraterrestrials and is determined to prove it—on a network not well known at the time for high-quality programming. On paper, the chances of it gracing the cover of Rolling Stone were slight. And yet… Now, 23 years after its debut, with a limited series of six episodes allowing its cast time to indulge other passions, The X-Files has returned. As Gillian Anderson takes to the New York stage in a revival of Streetcar, and as David Duchovny takes to a Los Angeles soundstage for a second season of Aquarius, the two stars reunite by phone to talk about reopening The X-Files.
Anderson: They have a clear depth of caring about one another, and that’s what really gets people. They care about one another’s welfare, and so even if they’re at odds in their beliefs, their caring transcends that, through all nine seasons. Do you remember your first meeting? Anderson: In the beginning of the casting process, when we were at network, David was cast and I was among a number of actresses being tested alongside him. They were looking for a match of which two looked right together, who worked best together, etcetera. We didn’t know each other at all, but for some reason
How long have you all wanted to return to these
We’ve lived with these characters for 23
there was something in the room between the
characters and this show?
years now. Where did you find them, now?
two of us that wasn’t there with others. To a
David Duchovny: I can’t really say that I’ve wanted
Duchovny: That’s the toughest question for
degree, you can manufacture that as actors,
it to return, necessarily. I just always hoped and
Gillian and I, and probably the hardest thing to
and you have to most of the time, but for some
assumed that we would continue doing movies, and
gauge going in. Mulder always had this gullibility
reason there was something tangible and
that this wasn’t going to be a show that ended in the
and boyish wonder that I find hard, in my 50s, to
palpable that existed between us, right then.
traditional way that shows end. That there would be
act and make believable. That required recalibra-
an afterlife. We always talked about the possibility of
tion, because the character, as written, doesn’t
This latest season included a little comedy,
coming back, and what to do next, and who wants to
really change all that much.
a little mythology, a little horror. Did every
do what. But after the second movie opened against
Anderson: Exactly. Arriving at this character,
episode feel completely different?
The Dark Knight, and it was kind of a doomed enter-
and figuring out what part of a 50-year-old
Duchovny: I would say that was the interesting
prise in that way, I think we assumed it was dead. As
Scully still exists in this world, that’s the chal-
challenge of returning, because in a full season,
television rearranged itself over the last 10 years, the
lenge. It wasn’t until I tapped in less to her
even if the writers had different voices, the
idea of a season changed from 24 episodes, to 6, 8,
seriousness and more into her goofiness that I
directors were also rotating and so there was a
10, 12, or whatever. It became apparent that we could
found her again.
continuity there. With this, it was almost like you
exist there, at least temporarily.
had little movies, and the director became the
Gillian Anderson: In my head, at least, was the
In that way, you’ve both found opposite
keeper of the tone of the piece.
fantasy of maybe doing three movies. I don’t know
ends of the spectrum.
Anderson: I think over time we’ve learned how
where that came from, but it was a shame the
Duchovny: I don’t know any other actors who
to interpret the different writers, and that it’s not
second was handled in the way it was. We knew we
have been faced with these kinds of questions.
appropriate to play a Darin Morgan script in the
wanted to continue the conversation and try and
It’s a very interesting thing to keep coming back
way that Chris would write you. So in the end, we
trump that experience. The truth is, in no way or
to something you started 23 years ago.
almost become different characters. Because
shape am I built for a 24-episode season anymore.
Anderson: I didn’t notice, though, until I sat
we built that road way back, the fans know the
But the idea of doing a small pack, and realizing that
down and watched this series, that I’m hold-
variables and they welcome them and accept
our series works best when we have an opportunity
ing Scully a lot lighter and allowing her to take
them as a part of what The X-Files is.
to show all the elements of it, which you can’t fit into
herself less seriously. That’s an interesting thing
Duchovny: I don’t know what other show is
a single feature, suddenly it could be allowed to be all
to observe and not realize you were doing until
like that. I can’t think of any other show that is
those things it is at its very best.
after the fact.
tonally as expressive, or variable. ★
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feels great about what they did or how they did it, and that is showing up in some of the feedback,” she says. Washington feels it was all very complex. Anita Hill came forward to talk about sexual harassment, but the dynamics at play were about power, gender and race, in her view. She also notes it was really the beginning of
The Scandal star returns to D.C. in a different context with Confirmation. BY PETE HAMMOND
the idea of consuming news around the clock as we now do with 24-hour cable news. She emphasizes it was not her goal to make a simple story that is just about good guys and bad guys, winners and losers. “I just felt like there was more here. I wanted to peel back more of the layers that were going on for Anita, but I also wanted to know what was going on with [Judiciary committee chairman] Joe Biden, and what was going on with Clarence Thomas. I wanted to know what was really
K
ERRY WASHINGTON’S LAST NAME seems perfectly suited to an actress who these days is spending a lot of time in Washington, D.C. Of course since 2012, she has played Olivia Pope, the ultimate D.C. insider and confidant to the President in Scandal. The role has won her a widespread following, plus Emmy, Golden Globe and SAG nominations. That’s a trio of honors she can also probably count on for her understated and pitch-perfect performance as Anita Hill, who in 1991 accused then-Supreme Court Justice nominee Clarence Thomas of sexual harassment. The U.S. Senate hearings became a sensation, but through it all, Hill maintained her dignity, even as Thomas was eventually confirmed.
going on at the White House, and maybe that’s because of being on Scandal for five years. “I was like, ‘What is the machine doing?’ We really wanted to take these kind of iconic symbols and find the humanity, rather than have them be just political figureheads. That, for me, is what the film is all about.” She also notes the movie doesn’t define just who were the winners and losers, and that was intentional. “It’s tricky. And we wanted to keep it tricky. We wanted to keep it complicated.” So what was the underlying challenge for
with not only Hill, but also other key figures
an actress who spends so much time in the
who also is an executive producer on the HBO
of the time. For Washington, there was fun in
Washington D.C. environment? Why did she
film Confirmation depicting this particular
the details, like the necklace she wore, or the
want to go back there—at least figuratively—
battle of the sexes, doesn’t even suggest Olivia
sling-back shoes. “But I also had to figure out
on her hiatus? “I have spent five years playing
Pope territory, delivering a finely modulated
where I could enter into the truth of her from
somebody who, for the most part, is always
performance in a movie sure to bring back
my own experience and my own understanding.
the most powerful person in the room. Olivia
memories of those who lived through the era,
I had to figure out what I could bring of myself
Pope is always the smartest, most powerful
and spark interest from those just discovering
into her experience so that I could bring
person with the most access in every room
this unique moment in recent American history.
some emotional truth to what she was going
she’s in. And I think I was drawn to the idea of
She was 14 around the time of the events, she
through.”
working within that same environment—that
This is hot-button stuff, but Washington,
says, but her memories were more specific to
It is interesting to note that Washington says
same context—but playing somebody at the
the way her parents viewed the controversial
the filmmakers didn’t make the film seeking
complete opposite end of the spectrum;
hearings, with her dad taking Thomas’ side
Hill’s approval, so she is sure Hill doesn’t love
somebody who has no power, and access and
and her mother in Hill’s corner. It surprised
everything about it. However the important
authority in that setting, and who still has to
Washington, because her parents had always
thing for her is that Hill was pleased with
find the courage to step forward.
agreed on everything and were always on the
her performance. That isn’t true of some of
same page.
the other figures depicted in the film, but
too, because I was nervous for some of my
“Honestly it was a real challenge for me,
Washington said it was to be expected that
Scandal family to see the film. If anybody
life, how did she approach the daunting task
there might be some blowback over how
was going to see a bag of acting tricks,
of playing someone still very much alive? “I
the filmmakers, who included director Rick
they were,” she laughs. “It would be easy in
did meet with her. I really studied every press
Famuyiwa, handled everything.
that context—in that world—to just fall into
So with just that to go on from her personal
conference and TV interview in the hearings
Grant says it was all checked and double-
patterns that I’ve very happily developed
themselves because I wanted to find her
checked, and Washington believes they have
over the past five years because I know the
rhythm and her cadence through the truth of
gotten to the core of the truth. “I think it was
character so well. So to keep pushing myself,
who she was, and we have that on film because
a really difficult time in our American history
to make sure I was being somebody else
who she was in ’91 is obviously different from
where really complicated issues were coming
even in that very same world, in some of the
who she is today, “ she says.
forward for the first time, and nobody had
same kinds of rooms, and to really define the
a toolbox to deal with it in the way that we
difference between those two women... that
do now. So not everybody, looking back,
was important to me.” ★
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in New York City [preparing]. I live in Los Angeles mostly, and have a lot of girlfriends and a full life out here. But in New York, I had a random furnished apartment, my girlfriends weren’t there, and I lived in complete isolation. That helped me get into character and stay there. I read the entire Alias series. I devoured them. I wasn’t exposed to the comic book. The fourth book
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is the most important in regards to the show. The writers took events even further. The original IP is
The Jessica Jones duo on reimagining superheroes for Netflix.
so great, they shot [panels] directly from the comic book. What I love about her is that she’s not defined
B Y A N T H O N Y D ’A L E S S A N D R O
by what’s happened in her past. No matter how bad things get for her, underneath it all, she’s capable of greatness. What drew you to Jessica Jones, Melissa? Rosenberg: It was after the whole Dexter and Twilight runs when I took meetings. ABC Studios asked
I
T WOULD BE A MISTAKE FOR EMMY VOTERS to overlook Netflix’s Jessica Jones and relegate it as just another Marvel superhero TV series. Despite the long-awaited genre breakthrough last year at the Emmys in the drama category with HBO’s Game of Thrones, Jessica Jones is so much more than a neo-noir crime story about a kick-ass girl in leotards (in fact she doesn’t wear them). Adapted by Twilight screenwriter and Dexter EP Melissa Rosenberg from Marvel’s Alias comic book series, Jessica Jones follows an alcoholic, PTSD-plagued, rape-surviving gumshoe who possesses an incredible degree of physical strength. Jessica Jones is a serious show about the realities of abuse survivors and is told through a vigilante prism. In the wake of her emotionally affective turn as a tragic heroin addict on Breaking Bad, Krysten Ritter outstrips herself here, playing a sublimely intense, fierce antihero, who in her deepest cynicism is just trying to keep peace in the world.
what I was interested in doing next. I said I’d love to do a really damaged, complex female superhero, like Iron Man. They quickly put me together with Jeph Loeb, and he brought me Jessica Jones. We did it for the ABC network, but it turned out not to be the right tone for them. Jeph went on to work on something else, but he was always about putting this together. That project was only on the page, it never went beyond that. What was different about the ABC version? Rosenberg: When you have a series that’s on week to week with commercial breaks, it lends itself to the case-of-the-week scenario. It was heavily weighted in that direction. It was bound to be
Melissa, what made Krysten the right actress
My mind went to a slapstick version of a superhero.
less gritty and raw. But when it went to Netflix, we
to play Jessica Jones?
He pitched it to me poorly. When I went in to read,
weren’t looking at commercial breaks, you’re looking
Rosenberg: She was one of the first actresses
it was a scene with dummy fake character names
at someone binge watching. You’re not spending
to come in, even back when I was developing it at
inserted in for Luke Cage. That scene gave me the
real estate on the page, reminding what the charac-
ABC. She was always on my mind. One of the more
seeds for Jessica Jones and her demons. She’s an
ters said before. You’re telling a 13-hour movie. So at
important aspects of the role is that the performer
alcoholic, she’s a mess and I became very intrigued.
Netflix, there was more real estate in creating depth
couldn’t just have the dramatic chops, but the com-
I met with Melissa and talked about the show. She
and more time in evolving characters. Whereas on
edy chops as well. As the saying goes, dying is easy,
spoke about it like a straight drama; a physical char-
the network, it would be about trimming frames
comedy is hard, and it’s hard to find people who can
acter study. Then they locked me in the room with
and plot. On Netflix, it was the opposite. It was
carry both those ranges. One scene that was always
the script and I was blown away. I walked out of that
about finding more scenes to shoot. We had space.
the tell-tale with performers during auditions takes
meeting, and said, “Let’s lock this up.” Jessica Jones is one of the most forward think-
place in episode 2, when Jessica says the line, “I don’t give a bag of dicks what kinky shit you’re into,
How did you prepare for the role?
ing feminist shows on TV, despite the fact that
just be into it quietly.” No one could deliver that line
Ritter: It’s the most rewarding creative challenge
it centers on a superhero.
and find the humor in it. Right off the bat, Krysten
I’ve ever faced. As soon as I got the part, I’m in
Ritter: The series has started so many feminist
said that line, separating the wheat from the chaff.
the gym, getting beat up by a trainer, lifting. I’m a
conversations that I never anticipated. People
She set the bar so high, and we saw a lot of people.
lanky girl. I’m not cool like Jessica Jones, so I had to
come up to me and find meaning in things that I
change my posture. I spent three-to-four hours with
didn’t realize I was doing. I think people enjoy seeing
Krysten, when you initially heard about the
an acting teacher, which informed me in building
a woman who doesn’t look a certain way, who is
role, you weren’t bowled over.
out her backstory. In TV, you move so quickly, you
strong, ass-kicking, who isn’t rolling over and dying.
Ritter: I was looking to be in a dark, gritty show
get scenes at the last minute. Having that solid
She shows real strength. I’m moved to tears when
that could push boundaries. When I got the call
foundation for Jessica [prepared me] for several
people tell me that the show has helped them:
from my manager and heard the words Netflix and
scenes that would occur in one day.
“Thank you for doing it with integrity. I have PTSD.
Marvel, those are two giant super brands you want
When you know your character so well, you know
That’s what it feels like for me.” So many people feel
to be in business with. I’m like, “Great.” Then I heard
how she listens and responds. It’s about prep work,
represented by Jessica and that’s refreshing and
that she’s a typical superhero, but she’s bad at it.
endurance, and just immersing myself in it. I was
amazing. ★
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people who are emotional all the time, that we’re always worried about our children, or we’re dealing with these kind of issues that are more domestic. That’s what’s so great in this show, is the women have roles where they’re arguing with ideologies and concepts and greater issues in the world rather than just getting more domesticated.
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How did you get into Allison’s almost
The Lord of the Rings star on joining the cast of Homeland.
sociopathic headspace? It was interesting, because it was kind of
B Y A N T O N I A B LY T H
developing as it went. I felt toward the end it was really fun to play, because it became much more that she was somebody who was in it for herself at the end of the day. Her first loyalty was most definitely to herself, and not to her colleagues or her country, or anything. It was very much her own need to survive, her own need to attain things along the way, and in the end to try to survive
HEN MIRANDA OTTO (The Lord of the Rings, The Thin Red Line) took up the role of Allison Carr in Homeland’s fifth season, she was to embody one of the most dynamic and powerful female roles on television. Otto’s arc as the double agent and genius manipulator felt like what would traditionally be “a man’s role,” she says, adding, “I couldn’t help but really like her because it was just fun to be a woman who was continually using her intelligence and her wits to get herself out of situations.” Carr’s death also served as a key dramatic turn in the season finale. Otto’s critically-acclaimed performance on the show has certainly got her noticed, as she’s now set to appear as the female lead on 24: Legacy. Otto is Rebecca Ingram, former head of the Counter Terrorist Unit. “I love this world,” Otto says. “I just find it really fascinating, and as a woman, really interesting to play in, because it’s such a traditionally male kind of world.”
everybody.
How did you get on board with Homeland in
Did you get a full rundown of your arc
time. Obviously, that’s one of the amazing and
the beginning?
before you came onboard? It seems like the
original aspects of the show. There’s something
I was asked to come in and read two scenes for
Homeland set is a pretty secretive place.
about it that is even more pressing now, with
Alex Gansa. I got sent two scenes. It sounded like
I kind of got a sense from one of the scenes that
everything that is going on. It just seemed so
such a great part, and then I got cast really quickly.
I was reading that perhaps there was something
incredibly current, which I find really interesting to
It all turned around in a few days, and then within
with myself and Saul. That was what I knew going
work on. It is very much in the moment that we’re
about a week, I was in Berlin, getting ready to
in; that she was having an affair with Saul, and
living in right now.
shoot. They’d already started shooting, so it was
that she was indeed working as a spy for the
really sort of a whirlwind to get the whole thing
Russians as well. So, I knew those two pieces, but I
With Homeland and now 24: Legacy you’ve
started, and I had to do a lot of it on the run.
thought that would be my whole arc; the audience
carved out a niche as this tough agent type,
wouldn’t know until the end of the season that I
which few could have expected. Do you feel
was actually working for the other side.
you have a certain quality that made you a
W
For 24: Legacy you’re reunited with Homeland’s EP Howard Gordon–how has that experience been? When I left Homeland at the end of last year, I was thinking, “I loved this world so much.” I found it so stimulating to work on, and the character’s so interesting, and I thought, “What am I going to do next?” Then this came through, and it was a show that I had really loved when it first started on TV, and it was Howard again, so I really jumped at the chance. They’re using the concept of the show, of real
You talked to a former member of the CIA as preparation.
But as it turns out, the audience found out,
good fit for those roles?
Yes. I felt like the rest of the cast are so entrenched
I think, at the end of episode four, and so then I
I think what we find most interesting in actors is
in that world, they understand it so well, and in
was like, “Wow, what happens next?” They really
some kind of paradox, some kind of juxtaposition
the position that I was going to be in with my
do move through the story really fast, and they
of ideas so that we can never really completely
character, I really had to know a lot very quickly
just keep coming up with more amazing things to
settle on who they are. We’re never really sure
about everything that was going on.
follow it.
exactly where they sit, and I suppose in some
Once I was over in Berlin, they have a consultant
way physically, because I’m fair-skinned and all
on the show who used to work for the CIA, who
Lesli Linka Glatter has talked about the
that, I sort of have a slightly more fragile look or
then helped me a great deal. I would have really
importance of gender equality in television,
something. So it’s interesting to see someone like
wonderful long conversations with him on the
and this show does so much for showing
me play something that is harder and tougher,
phone about what would happen in this situation.
women without traditional trajectories. Do
because it’s not what you would expect.
We kind of built a back story together, how we
you think it's changing the landscape?
thought I would have become chief of station in
Absolutely. It felt like a male role, in that so often
contrasts, you know? I think it’s a good place for an
Berlin and what kind of training I would have done.
with women’s roles, we get kind of typecast as
actor to be.★
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