Catherine of Siena (1347-1380) - The Dialogue of the Seraphic Virgin Catherine of Siena, 1896

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THE DIALOGUE OF

THE SERAPHIC VIRGIN

CATHERINE OF SIENA DICTATED BY HER, WHILE IN A STATE OF ECSTASY, TO

HER SECRETARIES, AND COMPLETED YEAR OF OUR LORD

IN

THE

1370

TRANSLATED FROM THE ORIGINAL ITALIAN WITH AN INTRODUCTION ON THE STUDY OF MYSTICISM BY

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CONTENTS. INTRODUCTION A TREATISE OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE CHAP.


CONTENTS

vi

A TREATISE OF DISC RATION -continued CHAP.


CONTENTS A TREATISE OF PR AVER CHAP.

continued

vn



INTRODUCTION. "

I

will

AM

persuaded,"

come, when

the

said

Claude Bernard,

man

"

that

the day

of science, the philosopher and

the poet will all understand each other." Whatever we think this of of we most us feel that the may prophecy, one-sided absolutism of the past, whether religious or

no longer possible. The inevitable vehemence of the reaction against bigotry and superstition has, in a measure, spent itself, and the best minds of the present,

scientific, is

influenced by the spirit of Socrates cautiously and tentatively

feeling

claim to wisdom, are way to a nicer

their

adjustment of the scales of thought. That these should ever be poised in perfect equilibrium is no doubt impossible in this world of clashing cate gories ; but the undoubted truths to be found in extremes are beginning to be recognised as partial and relative, as

only fragmentary elements in the ultimate synthesis. From the conviction that the whole truth is not to be found in any partial utterance of humanity, the passage is

easy to the opinion, that for a really philosophical appre ciation of our nature, an impartial examination of all the sides of the

man

artist,

is necessary. the saint must

The all

philosopher, the scientist,

contribute.

Contemporary

non-religious thought, like its predecessor of an earlier day, is becoming persuaded that some good thing may come even out of Nazareth. The thin, dry optimism of secta rian Christianity and of official materialism be not so much erroneous as unthinkable. "

We

see

now

to

have done, the proofs which proved,

may be hoped for ever, with and the explanations which explained

it

we

nothing."


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2

ST.

CATHERINE

A

hundred years ago truth seemed a simpler matter to They stood on the threshold of the modern industrial world, to them a coming golden age tipped with Exact knowledge and the brightness of rising science. universal education were to make men happy and wise and Kings and priests were gone, or, at least, the back of .good. these incubi, the causes of all their despotism was broken his misery, removed, man, a well-meaning creature, and more than capable of taking care of himself, would begin at last to live, and, in the normal exercise of his natural func tions, hitherto artificially strapped down by theological and

our

fathers.

;

political tyrants,

would

find

true

satisfaction

and,

conse

But they happiness of his being. counted without machine-looms or the law of heredity, of which they derided the theological expression in the doctrine

quently,

the

of original

The

perfect

sin. lie in the sup wisdom, and even less in its we have with us to-day, but in the and faith which animated some of its

true value of the Revolution did not

posed sagacity of its social results, which indomitable hope .greatest

political

illustrations.

It

is

impossible to read the best

French moralists of the Revolutionary period say, Vauvewithout being struck by the deep nargues and Condorcet spiritual earnestness which underlay much in them that was flimsy as argument, mistaken as fact, frothy and unreal as sentiment.

The Revolution

stated the

human problem

in collective

terms, forgetting that the only authority which can address men collectively must transcend them individually, that is,

Mere multiplicity, as such, must represent the Divine. must return to unity under pain of disintegration. Now, the revealed symbols apart, the highest human manifesta tion is the individual raised to

sonality called

genius,

for

he,

the quintessence of per has, in a supreme

only,

degree, will and intellect ; and will and intellect move the The Phtlosophes, whether deists or atheists, by world.

hypothesis, ruled the conception of the Divine out of relation to man, and therefore had no message for him as an indi vidual.

He was

considered, primarily, as a social item, and


INTRODUCTION formed, in juxtaposition

to,

3

not in fusion with, other such

modern

items, the individual.

The

State-fetish, that grotesque parody of an result of all this is, to-day, evident enough.

Modern

society, the creation of the Revolution, is based on ignorance, or, at least, disregard of the distinction between

organic and mechanical unity. For a society, as for a work of

art,

there are two kinds

of unity. This quality may result from the careful observ ance of certain rules imposed from without on the subjectmatter, without any regard for the inner unity of thought, in which case it is purely mechanical. Of this, the dramatic

works of Boileau are a classical example. Organic unity, on the other hand, results from the harmonious expression of an idea, of a word made flesh, as, for instance, the Parsifal"

of

Wagner.

Mechanical unity, being expressive of no idea, may per fectly well result from anonymous collaboration, supposing the formula to be equally accessible to all the workers, but organic unity, like the idea which informs it, is necessarily the creation of an individual. For ideas are of the indi vidual.

The modern

state, resulting as

no idea

it

does from anonymous

unity is therefore only mechanical, arising from the juxtaposition, not the fusion, of its components ; for, herds of men can only be fused into the collaboration, expresses

;

its

organic unity of a nation by the philosopher s stone of politics, an Idea, a word becoming flesh in a nation, its Such were the great Assyrian necessary social expression.

and Egyptian dynasties, the Jewish Theocracy, and in its purer days, the French Monarchy, with its significant war"

cry,

Gesta Dei per

Francos."

by incarnation that an idea becomes an ideal, and without ideals neither nations nor men can live. In the It is

pages of

"

"

Compromise

Mr. John Morley

bitterly

laments

the lack of idealism in contemporary English politics, but, with the elaborate short-sightedness so characteristic of his greater master, Mill, he fails to see its antecedent. But it is not my intention to dwell on the political results of the Revolution, which have been abundantly and minutely


THE DIALOGUE OF

4

ST.

CATHERINE

by Taine. So much as has been said was, a however, necessary prelude to the estimate of its effects in the spiritual domain. Without such an estimate, it is wholly impossible to appreciate the mystical movement of to-day, or, in any degree, to determine what permanent value underlies its manifesta set

forth

tions, often

a better

France is grotesque, sometimes contemptible. for the consideration of such effects than

field

England, for France, besides being the original home of the Revolution, is a sort of moral forcing-house for ideas while Englishmen are still tinkering at a theory and endeavouring ;

to reduce

it

to

some impotent truism with which the

British

elector shall feel quite at home, Frenchmen have reached its final expression in their national life and literature.

The

best part of a nation s soul betrays itself in its art, an attempt to eternise the types held

for a national art is

worthy of admiration by the spiritual leaders of a people. The supreme art of Frenchmen is their prose. Should the Latin Decadence issue fatally, the French tongue will live for There has been ever as the third great classical language. a special reason for its development during this and the last

century

the appearance of a

new

literary type, the

man

of letters, whom, as Mr. Morley has pointed out, the future historian will find to have been the one original creation of

There were great brigands before Napoleon, the times. there were political condottieri before Boulanger, there were Tribunes of the People before Marx and Lasalle, there were no professional men of

letters

before the Fathers of the

and Voltaire, Diderot Originating Encyclopaedia. D Alembert, the type, checked in development by the out break of the Revolution which needed letters as little as with

chemistry,* and by the Philistine militarism of the First Consul, arrived at maturity in the person of Renan, who was also a complete embodiment of the effects of the Revo It is important that we should lution in spiritual matters. He raised opportunism to face the truth about this man. the dignity of an idea ; he was the Vautrin of the intellect ;

* Lavoisier was brutally told that the Republic did not need chemists.


INTRODUCTION

5

for forty years among the of honest introspection, accepts the majority which, incapable dicta of the superior person in the place of genuine

his influence reigned

supreme

For the modern man of letters reigns by his due to the skill with which he re-presents to his prestige readers their current ideas. A practical man of talent, he shows us that part of ourself, that we at once recognise, crowned with the flowers of his rhetoric, and, seduced by

experience.

the implied compliment, we acclaim him. Creative artist, the intuitive by love," "

The Genius,

the

shows us those

depths of ourself that seem strange and foreign to us, but

we dimly guess the existence, when passion or wears threadbare for a moment the smooth lustre insight of our daily habit ; of such moments we are ashamed, and,

of which

irritated at the vision of a genius,

The work

of

Renan was

proceed to decry him.

to turn religion into religiosity,

but he was, after It

was the task

all, but one, though the chief, of a group. of Zola to apply to the criticism of contem means of the experimental novel, the gospel

by by Renan

porary

life,

traced

metaphysique

est

physics were

to

in the

"

Avenir de

wort, was Zola s

la

Science."

text,

and

Lhomme

with

meta

be buried religion and mysticism of every The oSoc avw was to be turned into a blind alley kind. where rubbish might be shot. The experimental novel pro fessed to depict life as perceptible, in its more general aspects, to the senses, with a minimum of ideation. An admirer of

Zola recently pointed jubilantly to the

fact that the

number

of copies issued of the Rougon-Macquart series would, if piled one on the other, overtop the Eiffel Tower, and the school has, in fact, found its success rather in the quantity

than in the quality of

its

work.

This judgment

may seem

too sweeping, and several masterpieces produced by writers of the school will occur to the reader, but it will appear on closer examination that the works of the naturalist school

possessing supreme literary quality, have, in reality, what ever their label, been conceived outside the formula of natu ralism. dull

are at most the brilliant heresies of a very pedantic orthodoxy. They deal either with

They

and

types unreal in themselves, as the superb

"La

Faustin"


THE DIALOGUE OF

6

CATHERINE

ST.

of Edmond de Goncourt, or the thread of circumstances, through which the story progresses, is abnormal in a high Bete Humaine," in which coincidences degree, as in Zola s are forced to an extent rarely attempted by the most auda "

cious romanticist. Flaubert, the greatest of the so-called naturalist masters, could never destroy the romantic and mystical side of his nature to which he gave a free rein in "

Salammbo,"

and the

quite as romantic, that

"

Tentation de St.

is,

as unreal, in

The Emma Bovarys whom we know do

"

Antoine."

Madame

He

is

Bovary."

not commit suicide,

they are a plague to their husbands and every one con nected with them for a certain time, and in the end usually become devotes of a low order.

Perhaps the

finest

work produced

published in naturalist.

1879. In 1884,

Huysmans But Huysmans was

"

A

domain of pure

in the

naturalism has been Joris-Karl

Rebours"

"

Soeurs

Vatard,"

not to remain a

sounded the note, not

much La

so "

of reaction as of revolt, emphasised in 1893 by Bas." The first chapter of this powerful and lurid

book contains the

The evidence

judicial process of naturalism.

is

summed up and judgment pronounced

justly enough, though not without the touch of bitterness proverbially attributed to perverts with regard to the church of their baptism. Huysmans is not alone. Paul Verlaine

Crimen Amoris," and many other well known chef-d ceuvres, has given sublime In a few verses of expression to the Catholic Mythos. incomparable perfection, Stephane Mallarme sings a no less exalted mysticism. It is needless to enumerate a list of names doubtless well known to the reader, as space does in

"

"Sagesse,"

"

Impenitence

Finale,"

not permit detailed criticism of the work connected with them ; it may be enough to state here that, whether

decadent or symbolist, neo-catholic or neo-buddhist, con temporary schools of French literature unite in being

uncompromisingly anti-naturalist.*

The young Frenchmen

of to-day look for inspiration rather to the earlier * An must be made in favour of the exception

H. Rosny, who seems

work of

strong work of

to be the only serious writer of the generation professing adherence to the old methods. J.

new


INTRODUCTION

7

Victor Hugo, to Baudelaire, to Villiers-de-l Isle-Adam, and Barbey d Aurevilly, who said of his generation that, if he

to

were not already a Catholic by conviction, he would become one in order to have a place of vantage, cTou cracker sur ces gens-Id.

in

Naturalism, then, has only saved itself in the proportion that is, it it has been unfaithful to its formula

which

has

But note the far-reaching implications of

failed.

its

The experimental novel was not presented to us one among many possible literary modes (its rise and

failure.

as

decline

would then have possessed only a technical and

interest for the literary student), but as the interlinear artistic translation of the text of life as conceived historical

If the experimental novel This because have not succeeded. failed, they absurd in to the reduced fact, great literary experiment has,

by the

"

has

the

scientific organisers." is

it

pretensions on which

"

"

philosophic

it

was

fine naturalistic novel, in the strict sense of the

impossibility, because

human

A

based.

word,

natural science alone can

is

an

no more

than knowledge of the chemical organise" constituents of colours can make a man an art critic. "

The new

life

which breathes in so much of the best is so widely diffused that it does not work contemporary spirit

escape the dangers attaching to fashion. Many a contem tl and neo-buddhist neo-catholic," porary regards his "

"

soul as one

ment.

among

There

will

Francis as the

other picturesque poses for his tempera be moments when a Faun will replace

A

"

of his longings. specimen of this kind of thing is Mr. John Davidson s Ballad of a has shown Nun," the more regrettable that Mr. Davidson St.

"

symbol

"

himself capable of no ordinary work. Here the Faun is in clothed indeed the religious habit, but the garb is irk some, and the best part of the poem, the part in which we

enjoy thoroughly artistic expression, is when the robe of penance is hastily twitched up to the shaggy knee and the hoofed feet merrily twinkle in a dance Yes, symbolic ? and we know too well of what. For such mysticism as *

"

this a whole-souled person can feel nothing but sorrow. This may lead us to the consideration of another danger to


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8

which the new movement

is

ST.

CATHERINE Any new form

exposed.

of

thought inevitably appears at first as the negation of the

immediately

preceding form.

It

is

only

when

the

first

with effervescence has passed away, when we come to see of the world unless we are that the face grief, philosophers

seems

changed by the soul-compelling beauty of our personal vision, that we realise the dependence of our ideas on their historical antecedents, and that we are, in fact, our father s sons. So we proceed to develop and assimilate at we had scornfully denied. The present where, first, little

movement

inevitably appears as a reaction against science. In reality, however, it is no reaction against science as such, a proceeding which would be as ridiculous as it would

be

futile,

of the

but only against that false estimate of the scope sciences, as the supreme and only means

natural

"

"

by which, in the words of Condorcet, right judgment was become an almost universal quality, so that the habitual

to

"

state of

men throughout

a nation should be to be led by

submit in conduct to the rules of morality, feeding on sweet and pure sentiments." And the good but mis This is the point to which the labours taken man added truth, to

"

:

of genius and the progress of light must infallibly conduct Such promises have duped us, and some of those us." realise how they have been beguiled are disposed to But we should execrate the very name of their deceiver. not forget, on the one hand, that these illusory assurances

who

were not contained

in the

simple solemn utterances of the

but rather in the glosses added by its overzealous ministers, and, on the other, that psychology need

oracle

itself,

not cease to be a science because physiological methods of investigation are insufficient for it.

For the sake of their own

stability

and permanence, the

leaders of the present movement cannot take refuge from materialism by running their heads into the sand of irre

sponsible fantasy, nor can the truth contained in, even

they

afford

to

lose hold of

if

inadequately expressed by, naturalism, which has inserted in our very marrow a passion The romantic elegy, with its humanity de for exactitude. dessus de pendule,

is

no longer possible

;

no system, philo-


INTRODUCTION

9

sophical or religious, that has not a real application to life, as it is in its humblest and most elementary details, has the

The problem of modern of success. remains it has what synalways been, namely, to thought thetise the here or real of antiquity with the hereafter or ideal of mediae valism," and both these elements must must not shrink in appear in any attempted solution. remotest chance

"

We

disgust from naturalism ; we must go through it to what lies beyond, to what people who dislike the word supernatural may perhaps be willing to call ultranatural. For the famous controversy which, to many, even to-day, is beginning to have but a historical interest, is, after all, only a matter of terms.

No

miracles serious theologian really holds all sent the caprices of the Eternal Mind. "

We

"

Newman, "

mumpsimus

His

ablution at Mass.

good as his corrector s

What

mysticism

is

to repre

remember

of the old priest who, in spite correction, persisted in saying, "Quod ore instead of sumpsimus," when taking the

the story, quoted by

of repeated

was.

"

is

vital

"

mumpsimus,"

he

"sumpsimus."

and essential

no sickly delusion of

to

insisted,

was

And no doubt recognise

this or that

is

as it

that

morbid indi

vidual, but as real a part of the experience of man as the nervous system. It may be defined as the reduction to the

emotional modality of the highest concept of the or, more briefly, the habit of the love of God.

So

far

from being a delusion

it

is

one

intellect,

of the

most

To

the unlearned musicsuggest a parallel lover rejoices in what is to his consciousness the plea sant sensation of his favourite art, he revels in simple,

exact sciences.

physical pleasure, and

at

most transfers

it

to the senti

mental nerve centres. "

For do but note a wild and wanton herd, of youthful and unhandled colts, Fetching mad bounds, bellowing, and neighing loud,

Or race

Which

is the hot condition of their blood they but hear perchance a trumpet sound, Or any air of music touch their ears, You shall perceive them make a mutual stand, Their savage eyes turned to a modest gaze, Merchant of Venice. By the sweet power of music."

If

;


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io

Yet there

by such

is

no

rigid laws

ST.

CATHERINE

which the expression is governed an exact mathematical structure under

art of ;

the wailing so human, as we say, of the violins. Mystical science is the counterpoint of the soul s symphony Ascensiones in corde suo disposuit. Man s approach to

lies

:

God

regulated by the strictest laws, and follows a true This is equally true conversely of the

is

mathematical curve.

man who has

put these things behind him and deliberately life. Final impenitence not so easy, and by no means to be reached until the

drowns is

his spirit in his instinctive

necessarily

intervening

stages

have

been

and

painfully

laboriously passed through. He was an amateur theologian, if a great poet, who sang of the easy descent of Hell." "

The

The Prophet tells us that professional touch is surer. way of the transgressor is hard." The great mystics, then, are not maniacs revelling in individual fantasies ; they have but developed, to the full "

the

extent of their power, tendencies existing, in germ at least, in all normally developed men of all time. For the science

God is not the monopoly of any religion, though some may bring to it a more exact terminology, and may possess vaster resources with which to stimulate and direct its development than others. It is furthermore of union with

difficult

to

operation

trace, in

of the

the lives

of the great mystics, or environment

any

laws of heredity

that

usually govern human expression. They are philosophers, as Plotinus and St. Denys ; ignorant hermits, as Ruysbrock unlettered women, as St. Theresa or St. Catherine. They ;

modern Paris or mediaeval England, or the story

live in

their lives can be but

of

faintly discerned

through the rich web of Eastern tradition ; they are legends of the past, And they travel in our railway carriages with us to-day. yet, in spite of the dissimilarity of their origins, there is a I cannot do better wonderful unanimity in their teaching. than quote an instance of this given by Maeterlink, in his

L Ornement des Noces SpirituRuysbrock distinguishes three kinds of lives the

preface to Ruysbrock s "

elles

"

:

"

:

and the superessential. The Gnostics distinguish between the spirit, the soul, and the material

active, the internal,


n

INTRODUCTION life,

and divide men

spiritual

;

material.

into three classes

the pneumatic, or or and the hylic, or psychic, animiques ; Plotinus also distinguishes in the soul the intelli :

the

gence, the reasonable soul, and the animal nature.

Zohar distinguishes between

soul,

spirit,

and

The of the

life

senses ; and, in both systems, as in Ruysbrock, the relation of the three principles is explained by a procession compared to an irradiation followed by the theory of the Divine

meeting

:

God

entering us from within outwards,

we going

him from without inwards, The words of the No religion, as has been said mystics never grow old. above, has the monopoly of mysticism, for a system of life

to

&c."

A

only religious in so far as it is mystical. professed which should fall short of mysticism would be at best a system of high ethics of more or less psychological

is

religion

value,

which

according to the accuracy of the observations on When the religious evolution of might be based.

it

man was crowned by of the

the Incarnation of the Second Person

Trinity, mysticism received the countersign of The law of the human spirit s that tremendous Mystery.

Holy

Cleanness of heart was approach to God was not altered. no new condition for the Blessed Vision. The Christian Church has given us additional motives and sanctions, and, in the central doctrine of Christ s Mediation, a remedy, at once, for sinfulness and moral helplessness, while the sacra

mental system, culminating in the Mass, supplies a divinely but the soul s personal hygiene of the soul

efficacious

;

God can follow no other path than that traced for it by its own intimate constitution. It was the fashion in the last century among superficial critics of religion, and remains so among their descendants ascent to

to-day, to regard the magnificent debates which agitated the early Christian Church as so many examples of the

perverse and futile subtlety of the decadent Greek intel A naive appeal to common sense has always been lect. the

beloved

disguise

of a

certain

kind of obscurantist.

Yet the early heresies were by no means in the first place intellectual theories, they were primarily mystical their theories being formed to meet their emotional require;


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merits,

being,

in

ST.

instances

inverse

this,

CATHERINE of the

law of

There development, Lex orandi, lex credendi. comparatively little difference, so far as theoretical

theological

was

statement went, between the religion of Bardesanes of Edessa and Catholicism yet who does not see that the motive-power of the schismatic Gnostic was pride resulting in a scornful isolation from the multitudes plunged in darkness, whereas Catholicism is nothing if not "hylic" The God-idea and not the religion of universal love ? the Self-idea being in the Christian scheme the centre of the soul s mystical periphery (from which it follows that ;

love, not

knowledge,

is

the primary condition of Christian

mysticism), heresy may be defined as a centrifugal tendency of the human spirit which in reaction tends to replace the The idea under true centre God by the false centre self.

which this tendency is disguised, varies indefinitely from Arius to Luther, but the tendency is always the same ; like the

evil

spirit

More than

this,

in

the Gospel

the particular

story its name is Legion. doctrine under which the

heretical tendency succeeds at one time in disguising itself, though false at the time in its strained relation to the whole body of truth, may, at a future date, when reduced to its proper relation, be assimilated by Catholic theology, and become a legitimate and guaranteed form of expression of

the

truth.

"Thus

Christianity

grew

gaining aliment and medicine from

all

in

that

its it

proportions,

came

near, yet preserving its original type, from its perception and its love of what had been revealed once for all, and was no private

imagination"

P- 359)-

(Newman,

"Development

of Christian

Doctrine,"

The

ception and

original basis of Christianity was then per love, aliment and medicine, in other words

and ever increasing clearness and statement came largely from its Not only the Hebrew contact with its environment. Scriptures, but the whole religious experience of man forms the subject-matter out of which the Church elaborates in the light of the Incarnation, according to the needs of the ages,

dogmatic expansion,

correctness of theoretic

her dogmatic system. To it Plato has contributed as well as Moses. The beloved disciple of Jesus wrote his Gospel in


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13

the language of a Platonician, and his Apocalypse in the symbolism of the Kabbala. Yet the eagle of mystical truth was not to be the Vicar of Christ. That high office was

reserved for the Apostle who in the moment of trial had These things are significant. denied his Lord with an oath. Our religion, regarded from the point of view of historical

development, is the fulfilment and completion of Judaism ; but from the point of view of mental development it The is seen to be the fulfilment of very much more. Areopagite did not cease to be a Platonist when he became a Christian ; the greater part of the Divine Names might It was partly the very have been written by Plotinus. the more immediate devotional and of aim, partly identity Church of the youthful needs requiring dogma for their the Alexandrian Neoplatonists aliens expression, that kept

from the Christian organisation. The sacred fire, relighted by Plotinus, Porphyry and Jamblichus, was to pass into the veins of the great rival of Neoplatonism, the inheritor, according to ancient promise, of the ends of the earth. Justin Martyr, the first of the philosophic Fathers, sees in Socrates a manifestation of the Logos, and expounds the doctrines

of the

regeneration

in

of man, freedom Platonist terms ; and fall

the will, and St. Clement of

of

Alexandria finally baptized the permanent truth contained in the Platonic traditions.

Apart from the interest of the subject for those who live the themselves would apart also from its histori cal value as a momentous chapter of the book of human life,"

experience, the study of mysticism is especially necessary for those who concern themselves with the analysis of human consciousness. The desire for ecstasy is at the very root and

This craving, when bound down by heart of our nature. the animal instincts, meets us on every side in those hateful contortions of the social organism called the dram-shop and the brothel.

It is

needless to point out

its

connection with

and even with the most abstract processes of philo Human life is informed at every stage by sophic thought. this desire of ecstasy, of self-escape into something higher. Mysticism alone affords to those favoured beings who are art,

;


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14

competent

in

brain

and

will

ST. for

CATHERINE its

ardours a true and

Neither the sensual nor lasting realisation of this desire. the sentimental life can do so, for nature or society con stantly throws us by illnesses or laws on the hither or In the Divine Life farther side of its perfect realisation. alone, whether of the metaphysical intellect, or of the love There are no of God, are we sure of ultimate success.

The resistances in the world of the Eternal. famous words of St. Augustine do but express the ele mentary law of psychology: "Thou hast made us for Mysti Thyself, and our hearts faint until they find Thee." cism, then, places in the clear relief of logical and final And this is expression this important law of our nature. Our consciousness replies much. But it does more also. to the touch of a God, as it does to no other stimulus, At the Divine call the soul yields sentimental or passional. organic

up her dearest

secrets.

otherwise with the phenomena of sexual love, which seem to have been thought by the naturalists to contain the It is

And this for whole gamut of psychological possibility. two main reasons. Firstly, because the stimulus of desire, the transformation of which into unselfish love is never anything but the transient delusion of the imagination, leaves the depths of our nature unexplored, so that what looks like clarity is often nothing but shallowness ; and, secondly, on account of the attitude of ruse and sex-combat utterly confusing the real issues involved, which the in herited laws of our species impose on these phenomena as More can be learnt of the intricacies their vital condition.

our interior life, of the inter-connection and mutual dependence of psychic states," from St. Theresa or St. Catherine than from Zola or Wundt. It is as though our soul were a parchment which only reveals the tiniest wrinkles and scratches on its surface when stretched and of

"

strained to the uttermost

The Dialogue

by the Divine Hand.

of Saint Catherine of Siena, which

is

here

offered to the English reader for the first time in his own language, was dictated to her secretaries by the Saint in


INTRODUCTION

15

Apart from the extraordinary circumstances of its production, this work has a special interest. The composition of the Siennese dyer s daughter, whose will, purified and sublimated by prayer, imposed itself on Popes and Princes, is an almost unique specimen of what ecclesiastical A word of mysticism. may be called explanation will render clear the writer s meaning. Most of the great mystics, such as Tauler, Suso, St. John ecstasy.

"

"

of the Cross, consider the ecclesiastical dogmata as granted, and concern themselves but little with the loci theologici of

To their introverted vision the varied rays their doctrine. of theological expression are fused in the white heat of the Godhead directly contemplated. Not indeed that they are in any sense of the word un-Catholic, but that being occupied almost exclusively with the sublime as distinguished from the ordinary processes of the spiritual life, their

terminology is as special as the experiences they attempt to relate are abnormal. Catholic dogma, on the other hand, is the collective form of truth necessary for the salvation of all, and therefore stated in terms intelligible to all, developed in expression through the ages of the Church s existence, proposed on her

supreme and ever-present authority, and "

perpetual

assistance

"

ratified to us

by the

of the promised Paraclete.

The call

last verse of that magnificent hymn which we mis the Athanasian Creed contains the proposition (to be

received of course with the limitations necessarily belonging to such a composition) that without the Catholic Faith no man can be saved. But a man may very well be saved ^

without understanding a single word of St. John of the Cross.

The

special value of St. Catherine s fact that from first to last it is nothing

"

Dialogo,"

lies in

the

more than a mystical

exposition of the creeds taught to every child in the Catholic The saint s insight penetrates every turn of poor-schools. the well-worn path that we must all humbly tread until we reach the last point of solid earth whence we can take flight into the

Platonic JEther

one in the Ineffable Essence.

where subject and object are

And

wonderful that insight


THE DIALOGUE OF

16

ST.

CATHERINE

is how subtle the analysis of the state of the who loves God for his own pleasure or man worldly The special snares of the devout are cut through profit keen the logic of one who has experienced and triumphed by

sometimes

;

"

"

!

over them. the

Terrible, again, is the retribution prophesied to

unworthy ministers of the Blood." so every well-known form of Christian

"

And

or parasitic,

is

treated

of,

detailed,

life,

healthy

analysed incisively,

remorselessly, and then subsumed under the general concep tion of God s infinite loving-kindness and mercy.

The

great mystics having usually taken as their startingto most is the goal hardly to be reached, their treatment of the preliminary stages of spirituality is

point what

own

Compare, for instance, frequently conventional and jejune. the first book with the two succeeding ones, of Ruysbrock s "

Ornement des Noces

Spirituelles,"

Another

the Christian Platonician.

that unique breviary of result of their having

done so

is that, with certain noble exceptions, the literature of this subject has fallen into the hands of a class of writers, or rather purveyors, well intentioned, no doubt, but not endowed with the higher spiritual or mental faculties, whom it is

not unfair to describe as the feuilletonistes of piety. brightly bound, are appropriately exposed for

Such works, sale in the

Roman shop windows, among

the

gaudy

objets

de religion they so much resemble. To keep healthy and raise the tone of devotional literature is surely an eighth spiritual work of mercy. St. Philip Neri s advice in the matter was to prefer those writers In the title of Saint.

whose names were preceded by the

we have a great saint, one of the most extraordinary women who ever lived, treat ing, in a manner so simple and familiar, at times, as to become "

"

Dialogo

almost colloquial, of the elements of practical Christianity. Passages occur frequently of lofty eloquence and also of

such literary perfection that this book is held by critics to be one of the classics of the age and land which produced Boccaccio and Petrarch. To-day in the streets of Siena the same Tuscan idiom can be heard, hardly altered since the

days of

Of

St. Catherine.

the Saint s public

life

this is not the place to speak,


INTRODUCTION

17

interior life, in such of its stages as she was per mitted to reveal, is amply detailed in the following pages. will find the Readers who are interested in her "legend

and her

"

admirably treated in Augusta Theodosia Drane s History of St. Catherine of Siena," the only English life of the Saint written with any comprehension of the subject ; but historical knowledge of St. Catherine has little to do matter "

with the science to be learnt from her mystical experiences. One word as to the translation. I have almost always followed the text of Gigli, a learned Siennese ecclesiastic, who edited the complete works of St. Catherine in the last cen tury.

Once editor.

and

His

the latest edition printed of the Dialogo." or twice I have preferred the cinquecento Venetian "

is

My aim

has been to translate as

literally as possible,

same time

to preserve the characteristic rythm of the sentences so suggestive in its way of the sing-song at the

articulation of the Siennese of to-day.-

St.

Catherine has no

she introduces a metaphor and forgets it ; the sea, a vine, and a plough will often appear in the same sen In such cases I have tence, sometimes in the same phrase. style as such

;

occasionally taken the liberty of adhering to the first simile when the confusion of metaphor in the original involves

hopeless obscurity of expression. April 30, 1895. Feast of

St. Catherine of Siena.



THE

DIALOGUE OF ST. CATHERINE OF SIENA. CHAPTER

I.

A TREATISE OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE

How

a

soul, elevated

by desire of the honour of God, and of the

salvation of her neighbours, exercising herself in humble prayer, after she had seen the union of the soul, through love, with God, asked of God four requests.

THE

who is lifted by a very great and yearning desire honour of God and the salvation of souls, begins

soul,

for the

a certain space of time, in the ordinary virtues, remaining in the cell of self-knowledge, in order to know better the goodness of God towards her. This she does because knowledge must precede love, and

by exercising

only

herself, for

when she has

attained love, can she strive to follow

to clothe herself with the truth.

But, in no way, does of receive such a taste the creature the truth, or so brilliant as means of humble and continuous a light therefrom, by

and

knowledge of herself and of God ; because prayer, exercising her in the above way, unites prayer,

with

founded

God

the

on

soul that follows the footprints

Crucified, and thus, by desire and

of Christ

and union of Christ would seem to To him who will love

affection,

makes her another Himself. have meant this, when He said Me and will observe My commandment, will I manifest My self; and he shall be one thing with Me and I with him. love,

:

In several places we find similar words, by which we can see that it is, indeed, through the effect of love, that the soul

becomes another Himself.

That

this

may

be seen more


THE DIALOGUE OF

20

mention what

clearly, I will

I

ST.

CATHERINE

remember having heard from

a handmaid of God, namely, that, when she was lifted up in prayer, with great elevation of mind, God was not

wont to He had

conceal, from the eye of her intellect, the love which for His servants, but rather to manifest it and, that among other things, He used to say : Open the eye ;

"

of thy intellect, and gaze into Me, and thou shalt see the beauty of My rational creature. And look at those creatures

who, among the beauties which I have given to the soul, creating her in My image and similitude, are clothed with the nuptial garment (that is the garment of love), adorned with many virtues, by which they are united with Me And yet I tell thee, if thou shouldest ask through love. who these are, I should reply" (said the sweet and Me, amorous Word of God) they are another Myself, inasmuch as they have lost and denied their own will, and are clothed with Mine, are united to Mine, are conformed to Mine." "

It is

therefore true, indeed, that the soul unites herself with the affection of love.

God by

So, that soul, wishing to manfully, and

lifting

know and

her desires

follow the truth

first for

herself

more

for

she

a soul could not be of use, whether in doctrine, example, or prayer, to her neighbour, if she did not first profit herself, that is, if she did not acquire virtue considered

in

herself

that

addressed four requests to the Supreme and The first was for herself ; the second for

Eternal Father.

Holy Church the third a general whole world, and in particular for the peace of Christians who rebel, with much lewdness and persecution^ against the Holy Church ; in the fourth and last, she be

the reformation of the

;

prayer for the

sought

the

general, and

Divine Providence to

for

things in

in particular, for a certain case with

which she

was concerned.

provide


A TREATISE OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE

CHAPTER How

21

II

the desire of this soul grew when God showed her the neediness of the world.

THIS desire was great and continuous, but grew much more, when the First Truth showed her the neediness of the world, And and in what a tempest of offence against God it lay. she had understood this the better from a letter, which she had received from the spiritual Father of her soul, in which he explained to her the penalties and intolerable dolour caused by offences against God, and the loss of souls, and the persecutions of Holy Church. All this lighted the fire of her holy desire with grief for the offences, and with the joy of the lively hope, with which

God to provide against such great evils. the soul since seems, in such communion, sweetly to And, bind herself fast within herself and with God, and knows

she waited for

better

God

His

truth,

inasmuch as the soul

is

in the soul, as the fish is in the sea,

then in God, and and the sea in the

she desired the arrival of the morning (for the morrow feast of Mary) in order to hear Mass. And, when the morning came, and the hour of the Mass, she sought with anxious desire her accustomed place ; and, with a great

fish,

was a

herself, being ashamed of her own imperfection, to be the cause of all the evil that was herself to appearing

knowledge of

happening throughout the world, conceiving a hatred and displeasure against herself, and a feeling of holy justice, with which knowledge, hatred, and justice, she purified the stains which seemed to her to cover her guilty soul, she said

"

:

in order that

O

Eternal Father,

I

accuse myself before Thee,

Thou mayest punish me

for

my

sins in this

and, inasmuch as my sins are the cause of the which my neighbour must endure, I implore Thee, sufferings in Thy kindness, to punish them in my person."

finite life,


THE DIALOGUE OF

22

ST.

CHAPTER How

finite

works are not

CATHERINE

III.

sufficient for

punishment or recompense

without the perpetual affection of love.

THEN, the Eternal Truth, seized and drew more strongly to Himself her desire, doing as He did in the Old Testament, for when the sacrifice was offered to God, a fire descended and drew to Him the sacrifice that was acceptable to Him ; so did the sweet Truth to that soul, in sending down the fire

fice

of the clemency of the Holy Spirit, seizing the sacri of desire that she made of herself, saying Dost "

:

thou not know, dear daughter, that all the sufferings, which the soul endures, or can endure, in this life, are insufficient

punish one smallest fault, because the offence, being done Me, who am the Infinite Good, calls for an infinite satisfaction ? However, I wish that thou shouldest know, to

to

that not all the pains that are given to men in this life are given as punishments, but as corrections, in order to chastise a son when he offends ; though it is true that both the guilt

and the penalty can be expiated by the desire of the soul, that is, by true contrition, not through the finite pain endured, but through the infinite desire because God, Who is infinite, wishes for infinite love and infinite grief. Infinite grief I wish from My creature in two ways in one way, through her sorrow for her own sins, which she has committed against Me her Creator in the other way, through her sorrow for the sins which she sees her neighbours commit against Of such as these, inasmuch as they have infinite Me. desire, that is, are joined to me by an affection of love, and ;

:

;

therefore grieve their

wherever for a their

offend Me, or see Me offended, spiritual or corporeal, from come, receives infinite merit, and satisfies

when they

every pain, it

may

whether

which deserved an works are finite and done in guilt

infinite finite

penalty, although time ; but, inasmuch

as they possess the virtue of desire, and sustain their suffer

ing with desire, and contrition, and infinite displeasure Paul explained against their guilt, their pain is held worthy.


A TREATISE OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE when he

23

If I had

the tongues of angels, and if I and of future gave my body to be burned, and have not love, it would be worth nothing to me. The thus shows that finite not are works glorious Apostle this

knew

said

:

the things

the

valid, either as punishment or recompense, without condiment of the affection of love."

CHAPTER

the

IV.

How

desire and contrition of heart satisfies, both for the guilt and the penalty in oneself and in others; and how sometimes it satisfies for the guilt only, and not the penalty.

"

I

HAVE shown

punished in this purely as such. the pain which

thee, dearest daughter, that the guilt is not

time by any pain which is sustained I say, that the guilt is punished by endured through the desire, love, and

finite

And is

contrition of the heart

;

not by virtue of the pain, but by soul ; inasmuch as desire and

virtue of the desire of the

is of value, and has life in itself, through Christ crucified, My only begotten Son, in so far as the soul has drawn her love from Him, and virtuously follows His virtues, that is His Footprints. In this way, and, in

every virtue

no other, are virtues of value, and in this way, pains satisfy for the fault, by the sweet and intimate love acquired in the knowledge of My goodness, and in the bitterness and contrition of heart acquired by knowledge of one s self and s own thoughts. And this knowledge generates a hatred and displeasure against sin, and against the soul s own sensuality, through which, she deems herself worthy of

one

pains and unworthy of reward." The sweet Truth continued :

"

See how, by contrition of

the heart, together with love, with true patience, and with true humility, deeming themselves worthy of pain and un worthy of reward, such souls endure the patient humility in

which consists

the

above-mentioned satisfaction.

askest me, then, for pains, so that

I

may

Thou

receive satisfaction


THE DIALOGUE OF

24

ST.

CATHERINE

for the offences, which are done against Me by My creatures, and thou further askest the will to know and love Me, Who am the Supreme Truth. Wherefore I reply that this is the way, if thou wilt arrive at a perfect knowledge and enjoy ment of Me, the Eternal Truth, that thou shouldest never

go outside the knowledge of

by humbling thy know Me and from which knowledge thou wilt draw all that is

self in the thyself,

valley

No

thyself, and,

of humility,

thou wilt

daughter, can have life in itself and except through charity humility, which is the fostermother and nurse of charity. In self-knowledge, then, thou wilt humble thyself, seeing that, in thyself, thou dost not even exist ; for thy very being, as thou wilt learn, is derived from Me, since I have loved both thee and others before you were in existence and that, through the ineffable love which I had for you, wishing to re-create you to Grace, I have washed you, and re-created you in the Blood of My This only Begotten Son, spilt with so great a fire of love. Blood teaches the truth to him, who, by self-knowledge, dissipates the cloud of self-love, and in no other way can he learn. Then the soul will inflame herself in this know of Me with an ineffable love, through which love she ledge continues in constant pain ; not, however, a pain which afflicts or dries up the soul, but one which rather fattens her for since she has known My truth, and her own faults, and the ingratitude of men, she endures intolerable suffering, necessary.

virtue,

my

;

;

grieving because she loves Me ; for, if she did not love Me, she would not be obliged to do so ; whence it follows immediately, that

who have

it is

right for thee, truth in this

and

my

other servants

even My way, unto death, many tribulations and injuries and insults in word and deed, for the glory and praise of My Name thus wilt thou endure and suffer pains. Do thou, there learnt

to sustain,

;

fore,

and

My

other servants, carry yourselves with true sins, and with love of virtue

patience, with grief for your

My Name.

for the glory and praise of I will satisfy for thy sins,

and

If thou actest thus,

for those

of

My

other

servants, inasmuch as the pains which thou wilt endure will be sufficient, through the virtue of love, for satisfaction


A TREATISE OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE and reward, both

and

In thyself thou the stains of thy ignor shall not remember that thou ever

in thee

wilt receive the fruit of life,

ance are effaced, didst offend Me.

and

I

25

In others

in others.

when

I will

satisfy through the love

and affection which thou hast to Me, and I will give to them according to the disposition with which they will In particular, to those who dispose them receive My gifts. and with reverence, to receive the doctrine selves, humbly of My servants, will I remit both guilt and penalty, since they will thus come to true knowledge and contrition for their sins. So that, by means of prayer, and their desire of serving Me, they receive the fruit of grace, receiving it humbly in greater or less degree, according to the extent of their exercise of virtue and grace in general. I say then,

through thy desires, they will receive remission for their See, however, the condition, namely, that their should not be so great in their despair as to con obstinacy that,

sins.

demn them through contempt

of the Blood, Which, with

such sweetness, has restored them.

What

do they receive ? which I destine for them, constrained by the of prayers My servants, is that I give them light, and that I wake up in them the hound of conscience, and make them smell the odour of virtue, and take delight in the conversa "

"

The

tion of

fruit

fruit

My

servants.

show them what it is, so and various passions, they may know how little stability it has, and may come to lift their desire beyond it, and seek their native country, which is the Eternal Life. And so I draw them by these, and by many other ways, for the eye cannot see, nor the tongue relate, nor the heart think, how many are the roads and ways which I use, through love alone, to lead them back to grace, so that My truth may be fulfilled in them. I am con strained to do so by that inestimable love of Mine, by which I created them, and by the love, desire, and grief of My servants, since I am no despiser of their tears, and sweat, and humble prayers rather I accept them, inasmuch as I am He who give them this love for the good of souls and "

that,

Sometimes

I

allow the world to

feeling its diverse

;


THE DIALOGUE OF

26

ST.

CATHERINE

But I do not, in general, grant to these grief for their loss. for whom others, they pray, satisfaction for the penalty due to them, but, only for their guilt, since they are not dis love, posed, on their side, to receive, with perfect love,

My

and

My

They do not

receive their grief with bitterness, and perfect contrition for the sins they have committed, but with imperfect love and contrition, where that of

servants.

fore they have not, as others, remission of the penalty, but only of the guilt ; because such complete satisfaction requires

proper dispositions on both sides, both in him that gives

and him

that receives. Wherefore, since they are imperfect, receive they imperfectly the perfection of the desires of those who offer them to Me, for their sakes, with suffering ;

and, inasmuch as I told thee that they do receive remission, this is indeed the truth, that, by that way which I have told thee, that

is,

by the

satisfaction is

light of conscience,

made

and by other things,

for, beginning to learn, vomit forth the of their sins, and so receive they corruption

the gift of grace. These are they "

for their guilt

who

;

are in a state of ordinary charity,

wherefore, they have trouble, they receive it in the guise of correction, and do not resist over much the clemency of the Holy Spirit, but, coming out of their sin, they receive the life of grace. But if, like fools, they are ungrateful, and ignore Me and the labours of My servants done for them, that which was given them, through mercy, turns to their own ruin and judgment, not through defect of mercy, nor through defect of him who implored the mercy for the ingrate, but solely through the man s own wretchedness and hardness, with which, with the hands of his free will, he has if

covered his heart, as it were, with a diamond, which, if it be not broken by the Blood, can in no way be broken. And yet, I say to thee, that, in spite of his hardness of heart, he can use his free will while he has time, pray ing for the Blood of Son, and let him with his own

My

hand apply It to the and he will receive been paid for him. he has no remedy,

diamond over

his heart

and shiver

it,

the imprint of the Blood Which has But, if he delays until the time be past,

because he has not used the dowry


A TREATISE OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE

27

gave him, giving him memory so as to remember benefits, intellect, so as to see and know the truth,

which

my

I

affection,

Whom

he

so that he should love Me, the Eternal Truth, would have known through the use of his

This is the dowry which I have given you all, intellect. and which ought to render fruit to Me, the Father but, if a man barters and sells it to the devil, the devil, if he choose, has a right to seize on everything that he has And, filling his memory with the acquired in this life. of and the recollection of shameful pride, with delights sin, ;

avarice, self-love, hatred, and unkindness to his neighbours (being also a persecutor of servants), with these miseries, Let he has obscured his intellect by his disordinate will.

My

such as these receive the eternal pains, with their horrible stench, inasmuch as they have not satisfied for their sins with contrition and displeasure of their guilt. Now, there for guilt thou how satisfies hast understood fore, suffering such and the not finite by perfect contrition, through pain ;

as have this contrition in perfection satisfy not only for the guilt, but also for the penalty which follows the guilt, as I

have already said when speaking

in general ; and if they that the guilt alone, is, if, having abandoned satisfy mortal sin, they receive grace, and have not sufficient con trition and love to satisfy for the penalty also, they go to

for

the pains of Purgatory, passing through last means of satisfaction.

So thou

the second and

made, through the the Infinite Good, in greater or less degree, according to the measure of love, obtained by the desire and prayer of the recipient. Where fore, with that very same measure with which a man measures to Me, does he receive in himself the measure of My good "

seest that satisfaction

desire of the soul united to

ness.

Me,

is

Who am

Labour, therefore, to increase the fire of thy desire, and let not a moment pass without crying to Me with humble voice, or without continual prayers before Me for I say this to thee and to the father of thy neighbours. Bear your thy soul, whom I have given thee on earth. selves with manful courage, and make yourselves dead to all

your own

sensuality."


THE DIALOGUE OF

28

CHAPTER How

very pleasing to

God

is

CATHERINE

ST.

V.

the willing desire to suffer for Him.

VERY pleasing to Me, dearest daughter, is the willing desire to bear every pain and fatigue, even unto death, for the salvation of souls, for the more the soul endures, the

4<

more she shows that she loves Me loving Me she comes know more of My truth, and the more she knows, the more pain and intolerable grief she feels at the offences committed against Me. Thou didst ask Me to sustain thee, and to punish the faults of others in thee, and thou didst not remark that thou wast really asking for love, light, and ;

to

knowledge of the truth, since I have already told thee that, by the increase of love, grows grief and pain, wherefore he that grows in love grows in grief. Therefore, I say to you all, that you should ask, and it will be given you, for I deny Consider that nothing to him who asks of Me in truth. the love of divine charity is so closely joined in the soul with perfect patience, that neither can leave the soul without

For this reason (if the soul elect to love Me) she should elect to endure pains for Me in whatever mode or circumstance I may send them to her. Patience cannot

the other.

be proved in any other way than by suffering, and patience is united with love as has been said. Therefore bear your selves with manly courage, for, unless you do so, you will not prove yourselves to be spouses of My Truth, and faith children, nor of the company of those who relish the

ful

taste of

My

honour, and the salvation of

CHAPTER How "

is

I

souls."

VI.

every virtue and every defect is obtained by means of our neighbour.

WISH also that thou shouldest know that every vfrtue obtained by means of thy neighbour, and likewise, every


A TREATISE OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE

who

defect, he, therefore,

29

stands in hatred of Me, does an

injury to his neighbour, and to himself, who is his own chief neighbour, and this injury is both general and particular. It is general because you are obliged to love your neigh bour as yourself, and loving him, you ought to help him spiritually, with prayer, counselling him with words, and assisting him both spiritually and temporally, according to the need in which he may be, at least with your goodwill if you have nothing else. A man therefore, who does not love, does not help him, and thereby does himself an injury for he cuts off from himself grace, and injures his neigh bour, by depriving him of the benefit of the prayers and of the sweet desires that he is bound to offer for him to Me. Thus, every act of help that he performs should proceed And from the charity which he has through love of Me. if he means of his is done evil also, neighbour, for, by every ;,

do not love Me, he cannot be in charity with his neighbour ; and thus, all evils derive from the soul s deprivation of love of Me and her neighbour whence, inasmuch as such a man To whom does no good, it follows that he must do evil. First of all to himself, and then to hisdoes he evil ? neighbour, not against Me, for no evil can touch Me, except in so far as I count done to Me that which he does to To himself he does the injury of sin, which himself. him of grace, and worse than this he cannot do to deprives Him he injures in not paying him the debt r his neighbour. he owes which him, of love, with which he ought to help means of him by prayer and holy desire offered to Me for an assistance which is owed in general to This is him. ;

every rational creature but its usefulness is more particular when it is done to those who are close at hand, under your ;

you are all obliged to help one another by word and doctrine, and the example of good works, and in every other respect in which your neighbour may be seen to be in need counselling him exactly as youwould yourselves, without any passion of self-love ; and he (a man not loving God) does not do this, because he has no love towards his neighbour; and, by not doing it, he does And he does him evil,. him, as thou seest, a special injury.

eyes, as to

whom,

I

say,

;


THE DIALOGUE OF

30

ST.

CATHERINE

not only by not doing him the good that he might do him, but by doing him a positive injury and a constant evil. In this

way

sin causes a physical

and a mental

injury.

The

already done when the sinner has conceived pleasure in the idea of sin, and hatred of virtue, that is, pleasure from sensual self-love, which has deprived him of

mental injury

is

the affection of love which he ought to have towards Me, .and his neighbour, as has been said. And, after he has conceived, he brings forth one sin after another against his

neighbour, according to the diverse ways which may please his Sometimes it is seen that he brings perverse sensual will.

and that both

and in particular. see himself and other creatures His general cruelty in danger of death and damnation through privation of grace, and so cruel is he that he reminds neither himself nor others of the love of virtue and hatred of vice. Being thus cruel he may wish to extend his cruelty still further, that is, not content with not giving an example of virtue, the villain forth cruelty,

in general

is to

"

also usurps the office of the demons, tempting, according to power, his fellow-creatures to abandon virtue for vice ;

his

this is cruelty towards his neighbours, for he makes himself an instrument to destroy life and to give death. Cruelty towards the body has its origin in cupidity, which, not only prevents a man from helping his neighbour, but causes him

goods of others, robbing the poor creatures ; done by the arbitrary use of power, and at other times by cheating and fraud, his neighbour being forced to redeem, to his own loss, his own goods, and often

-to

seize the

sometimes

indeed his

this is

own

person.

which will deprive the mercy, unless he turn to kind ness and benevolence towards his neighbour "

Oh, miserable vice of

man who

practises

it

of

cruelty,

all

!

Sometimes the sinner brings forth insults on which sometimes also impurity against the often follows murder person of his neighbour, by which he becomes a brute beast full of stench, and in this case he does not poison one only, but whoever approaches him, with love or in conversation, is "

;

poisoned. "

Against

whom

does pride bring forth evils

?

Against


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31

the neighbour, through love of one s own reputation, whence comes hatred of the neighbour, reputing one s self to be greater than he ; and in this way is injury done to him.

And

if

a

injustice

man be and

in a position of authority, he produces also cruelty and becomes a retailer of the flesh of

Oh, dearest daughter, grieve for the offence against Me, and weep over these corpses, so that, by prayer, the bands of their death may be loosened See now, that, in all places and in all kinds of people, sin is always produced against the neighbour, and through in no other way could sin ever be committed his medium men.

!

"

;

either secret or open. your neighbour of that

open have

A

deprive

is

done through the medium of

neighbour."

CHAPTER How i(

when you

to give him ; an sin is where you perform positive acts of sin, as I It is, therefore, indeed the truth that related to thee.

every sin done against Me, the

secret sin is

which you ought

I

VII.

virtues are accomplished by means of our neighbour, and it is that virtues differ to such an extent in creatures.

HAVE

told thee

how

all

sins are accomplished

how

by means

of thy neighbour, through the principles which I exposed to thee, that is, because men are deprived of the affection of

In the same way which gives light to every virtue. and affection towards the self-love, which destroys charity neighbour, is the principle and foundation of every evil. All scandals, hatred, cruelty, and every sort of trouble proceed from this perverse root of self-love, which has poisoned the entire world, and weakened the mystical body of the Holy Church, and the universal body of the believers love,

in the Christian religion it

was

that

;

and, therefore,

in the neighbour, that is to

all

virtues

were founded

;

say

I

said to thee, that of him,

in the love

and, truly indeed did

I

to thee, that charity gives life to all the virtues, because

say

no


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virtue can be obtained without charity,

which

is

the pure

love of Me.

Wherefore, when the soul knows herself, as we have said above, she finds humility and hatred of her own sensual passion, for, she learns the perverse law, which is bound up in her members, and which ever fights against the spirit. "

And,

therefore, arising with hatred

of her

own

sensuality,,

under the heel of reason, with great earnestness, crushing she discovers in herself the bounty of My goodness, through the many benefits which she has received from Me, all of which she considers again in herself. She attributes to Me, through humility, the knowledge which she has obtained of herself, knowing that, by My grace, I have drawn her out of darkness and lifted her up into the light When she has recognised My good of true knowledge. loves it she without ness, any medium, and yet at the same time with a medium, that is to say, without the medium of herself or of any advantage accruing to herself, and with the medium of virtue, which she has conceived through love of Me, because she sees that, in no other way, can she become grateful and acceptable to Me, but by conceiving, hatred of sin and love of virtue ; and, when she has thus conceived by the affection of love, she immediately is delivered of fruit for her neighbour, because, in no other way, can she act out the truth she has conceived in herself, but, loving Me in truth, in the same truth she serves her it

neighbour. "

And

it

cannot be otherwise, because love of

Me

and of

her neighbour are one and the same thing, and, so far as the soul loves Me, she loves her neighbour, because love

This is the means which 1 towards him issues from Me. that have given you, you may exercise and prove your virtue therewith ; because, inasmuch as you can do Me noThis proves profit, you should do it to your neighbour.

you possess Me by grace in your soul, producing much fruit for your neighbour and making prayers to Me, seeking* with sweet and amorous desire My honour and the salvaThe soul, enamoured of My truth, never tion of souls. to serve the whole world in general, and more or ceases that

.


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33

less in a particular case according to the disposition of the

and the ardent desire of the donor, as I have I declared to thee that the endurance of

recipient

shown above, when

suffering alone, without desire,

a

was not

sufficient to

punish

fault.

When

she has discovered the advantage of this unitive by means of which, she truly loves herself, her desire for the salvation of the whole world, extending thus coming to the aid of its neediness, she strives, "

love in Me,

inasmuch as she has done good to herself by the conception of virtue, from which she has drawn the life of grace, to fix her eye on the needs of her neighbour in particular. Wherefore, when she has discovered, through the affection of love, the state of all rational creatures in general, she helps those who are at hand, according to the various graces

which

I have entrusted to her to administer ; one she helps with doctrine, that is, with words, giving sincere counsel without any respect of persons, another with the example of a good life, and this indeed all give to their neighbour,

the edification of a holy and honourable life. These are the virtues, and many others, too many to enumerate, which are brought forth in the love of the neighbour; but, although

have given them in such a

way, that is to say virtue, and to another, is that it it so another, impossible to have one, happens all the virtues are bound because without having them all, in Wherefore, learn, that, together. many cases I give one of the others, that is to virtue, to be as it were the chief say, to one I will give principally love, to another justice, to another humility, to one a lively faith, to another prudence or temperance, or patience, to another fortitude. These, and I

not

all

many

to one,

but

other virtues,

I

to

different

one, one

place, indifferently, in the souls of many

happens, therefore, that the particular one so placed in the soul becomes the principal object of its virtue; the soul disposing herself, for her chief conversation, to this creatures

;

it

rather than to other virtues, and, by the effect of this virtue, the soul draws to herself all the other virtues, which, as has

been said, are all bound together in the affection of love ; and so with many gifts and graces of virtue, and not only c


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CATHERINE

I use in the case of spiritual things but also of temporal. to the the word temporal for the things necessary physical

of

life

man

;

all

these

have given indifferently, and I have one soul, in order that man should,

I

not placed them all in perforce, have material for love of his fellow.

I

could easily

have created men possessed of all that they should need both for body and soul, but I wish that one should have need of the other, and that they should be My ministers to administer the graces and the gifts that they have received from Me. Whether man will or no, he cannot help making

an

act of love.

It

is

true,

however, that that

act,

unless

made through grace

is

love of Me, profits him nothing so far as concerned. See then, that I have made men My

ministers, and placed them in diverse stations and various ranks, in order that they may make use of the virtue of love.

Wherefore, I show you that in My house are many mansions, and that I wish for no other thing than love, for "

Me is fulfilled and completed the love of the and the law observed. For he, only, can be of neighbour, use in his state of life, who is bound to Me with this love." in the love of

CHAPTER How

virtues are proved

and

VIII.

fortified

by

their contraries.

"Up to the present, I have taught thee how a man may serve his neighbour, and manifest, by that service, the love which he has towards Me. "

Now

I

wish

to tell thee further, that a

patience on his neighbour, him.

when he

man proves

his

receives injuries from

Similarly, he proves his humility on a proud man, his faith on an infidel, his true hope on one who despairs, "

justice on the unjust, his kindness on his gentleness and benignity on the irascible. produce and prove all their virtues on their

his

just as

perverse

men

all

the

cruel,

Good men neighbour, con-

their vices; thus, if thou


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35

The sider well, humility is proved on pride in this way. humble man extinguishes pride, because a proud man can do no harm to a humble one neither can the infidelity ;

who

of a wicked man,

when brought him any harm

neither loves Me, nor hopes in

Me,

forth against one who is faithful to Me, do his infidelity does not diminish the faith ;

or the hope of him who has conceived his faith and hope through love of Me, it rather fortifies it, and proves it in the love he feels for his neighbour. For, he sees that the infidel is unfaithful, because he is without hope in Me, and in

My

faith

servant, because he does not love Me, placing his in his own sensuality, which is all

and hope rather

that he loves.

My

servant does not leave him

faithful

because he does not faithfully love Me, or because he does not constantly seek, with hope in Me, for his salvation, inasmuch as he sees clearly the causes of his infidelity and

The virtue of faith is proved in these and lack of hope. other ways. Wherefore, to those, who need the proof of it, My servant proves his faith in himself and in his neighbour, and so, justice is not diminished by the wicked man s injustice,

but

is

rather

proved,

that

is

to

say,

the

justice of a just man.

benignity, and wrath by the

envy, vexation

Similarly, the virtues of patience, kindness manifest themselves in a time of

same sweet patience in My servants, and and hatred demonstrate their love, and

hunger and desire

for the salvation of souls.

to thee, that, not only

is

virtue proved in those

I

say, also,

who

render

times a good man gives back which coals of love, dispel the hatred and rancour fiery and so from hatred often comes of heart of the angry,

good

for evil, but, that

many

benevolence, and that this

by virtue of the love and which who sustains the anger of If thou wilt the wicked, bearing and supporting his defects. observe the virtues of fortitude and perseverance, these virtues are proved by the long endurance of the injuries and detractions of wicked men, who, whether by injuries or by flattery, constantly endeavour to turn a man aside from following the road and the doctrine of truth. Wherefore, perfect patience

in

all

is

is in him,

these things, the virtue of fortitude conceived within


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the soul, perseveres with strength, and, in addition proves itself externally upon the neighbour, as I have said to thee ; and,

if

fortitude

were not able

to

make

itself, being tested by many contrarieties, serious virtue founded in truth."

CHAPTER

good proof of would not be a

that it

IX.

A TREATISE OF DISCRETION How the

affection should not place reliance chiefly on penance, but rather on virtues and how discretion receives life from humility, and renders to each man his due. ;

"

THESE are the holy and sweet works which

My

soul, as I

I

seek from

these are the proved intrinsic virtues of the have told thee. They not only consist of those

servants

;

which are done by means of the body, that is, with an exterior act, or with diverse and varied penances, which are the instruments of virtue ; works of penance per formed alone without the above-mentioned virtues would

virtues

Me little often, indeed, if the soul perform not her penance with discretion, that is to say, if her affection be placed principally in the penance she has undertaken, her perfection will be impeded ; she should rather place reliance on the affection of love, with a holy hatred of herself, accompanied by true humility and perfect patience, together with the other intrinsic virtues of the soul, with hunger and desire for My honour and the salvation of souls. For these virtues demonstrate that the will is dead, and con

please

;

tinually slays its own sensuality through the affection of With this discretion, then, should the soul love of virtue.

perform her penance, that is, she should place her principal Penance should affection in virtue rather than in penance. be but the means to increase virtue according to the needs of the individual, and according to what the soul sees she can do in the measure of her own possibility. Otherwise, if

the soul place her foundation on penance she will con-


A TREATISE OF DISCRETION taminate her

own

perfection, because her

penance

37 will not

of knowledge of herself and of My goodness, with discretion, and she will not seize hold of My truth ; neither loving that which I love, nor hating that

be done in the

light

This virtue of discretion is no other than a true knowledge which the soul should have of herself and Discretion of Me, and in this knowledge is virtue rooted. is the only child of self-knowledge, and, wedding with charity, has indeed many other descendants, as a tree which has many branches ; but that which gives life to the tree, to its branches, and its root, is the ground of humility, in which it is planted, which humility is the foster-mother and nurse of charity, by whose means this tree remains in the perpetual Because otherwise the tree would not calm of discretion.

which

hate.

I

produce the virtue of discretion, or any fruit of life, if it were not planted in the virtue of humility, because humility And I have already said to proceeds from self-knowledge. thee, that the root of discretion is a real

and of

knowledge of

self

goodness, by which the soul immediately, and discreetly, renders to each one his due. Chiefly to Me in

My

rendering praise and glory to My Name, and in referring to Me the graces and the gifts which she sees and knows she has received from Me ; and rendering to herself that which

she sees herself to have merited, knowing that she does not even exist of herself, and attributing to Me, and not to herself,

her being, which she knows she has received by

grace from Me, and every other grace which she has received besides.

And

she seems to herself to be ungrateful for so many and negligent, in that she has not made the most of her time, and the graces she has received, and so seems to herself worthy of suffering wherefore she becomes odious and displeasing to herself through her guilt. And this founds the virtue of discretion on knowledge of self, that is on true humility, for, were this humility not in the soul, the soul would be indiscreet, indiscretion being founded on pride, as discretion is on humility. An indiscreet soul robs Me of the honour due to Me, and attributes it to herself, through vain glory, and that which is "

benefits,

;

"


38

THE DIALOGUE OF

really her

own she imputes

concerning in those of

My My

ST.

CATHERINE

to Me, grieving and murmuring mysteries, with which I work in her soul and other creatures ; wherefore everything in Me

and

Contrari in her neighbour is cause of scandal to her. wise those who possess the virtue of discretion. For, when they have rendered what is due to Me and to themselves, they proceed to render to their neighbour their principal debt of love, and of humble and continuous prayer, which all should pay to each other, and further, the debt of doctrine,

and example of a holy and honourable life, counselling and helping others according to their needs for salvation, as I said to thee above. Whatever rank a man be in, whether that he have this virtue, every is done discreetly and bound and mingled the ground of humility which

of a noble, a prelate, or a servant,

if

thing that he does to his neighbour lovingly, because these virtues are together, and both planted in

proceeds from

self-knowledge."

CHAPTER A

X.

parable showing how love, humility, and discretion are united and how the soul should conform herself to this parable.

;

DOST thou know how these three virtues stand together ? as if a circle were drawn on the surface of the earth, and a tree, with an off-shoot joined to its side, grew in the "

It is,

centre of the circle.

The

tree is nourished in the earth

circle, for if the tree were would die, and give no fruit. Now, consider, in the same way, that the soul is a tree existing by love, and that it can live by nothing else than love ;

contained in the diameter of the

out of the earth

it

and, that if this soul have not in very truth the divine love of perfect charity, she cannot produce fruit of life, but only It is necessary then, that the root of this tree, that is the affection of the soul, should grow in, and issue from the circle of true self-knowledge which is contained in

of death.

Me,

Who

have neither beginning nor end,

like the

circum-


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for,

39

turn as thou wilt within a

circle,

inasmuch as the circumference has neither end nor begin ning, thou always remainest within it. This knowledge of thyself and of Me is found in the earth of true humility, which is as wide as the diameter of the circle, that is as the knowledge of self and of Me, (for, otherwise, the circle would not be without end and beginning, but would have its beginning in knowledge of self, and its end in confusion, if this knowledge were not contained in Then the tree of love feeds itself on humility, Me). bringing forth from its side the off-shoot of true discretion, in the way that I have already told thee, from the heart of the tree, that is the affection of love which is in the soul, and the patience, which proves that I am in the soul and the soul in Me. This tree then, so sweetly planted, pro duces fragrant blossoms of virtue, with many scents of great variety, inasmuch as the soul renders fruit of grace and of utility to her neighbour, according to the zeal of those who come to receive fruit from My servants and to Me she renders the sweet odour of glory and praise to My Name, and so fulfils the object of her creation. In this way, therefore, she reaches the term of her being, "

;

"

that is Myself, her

God,

Who am

Eternal Life.

And

these

cannot be taken from her without her will, inasmuch as they are all flavoured with discretion, because they are fruits

all

united, as has been said

above."

CHAPTER

XI.

How penance ments

and other corporal exercises are to be taken as instru and not as the principal affection of and of the light of discretion in various other modes

for arriving at virtue,

the soul

;

and operations. "

THESE are the

soul,

fruits

and the works which

I

seek from the

the proving, namely, of virtue in the time of need.

And

yet some time ago, if thou remember, when thou wert desirous of doing great penance for My sake, asking, What *


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can I do to endure suffering for Thee, oh Lord ? I replied to thee, speaking in thy mind, I take delight in few words and many works/ I wished to show thee that he who

merely Lord, for

I

My

Lord on me with the sound of words, saying would do something for Thee, and he, who desires sake to mortify his body with many penances, and t

calls

:

own will, did not give Me much pleasure ; but that desired the manifold works of manly endurance with

not his I

patience, together with the other virtues, which I have mentioned to thee above, intrinsic to the soul, all of which must be in activity in order to obtain fruits worthy of

grace.

than

All other works, founded on any other principle judge to be a mere calling with words, because

this, I

they are finite works, and I, Who am Infinite, seek infinite works, that is an infinite perfection of love. I wish therefore that the works of penance, and of other "

corporal exercises, should be observed merely as means, and not as the fundamental affection of the soul. For, if the affection of the soul were in placed penance, I principal

should receive a issued from the

finite

thing like a word, which, when it has is no more, unless it have issued

mouth,

with affection of the soul, which conceives and brings forth virtue in truth ; that is, unless the finite operation, which I

have called a word, should be joined with the affection or love, in which case it would be grateful and pleasant to Me. And this is because such a work would not be alone, but accompanied by true discretion, using corporal works as means, and not as the principal foundation ; for it would not be becoming that that principal foundation should be placed in penance only, or in any exterior corporal act, such works being finite, since they are done in finite time, and also because it is often profitable that the creature omit them, and even that she be made to do so.

Wherefore, when the soul omits them through necessity, being unable through various circumstances to complete an action which she has begun, or, as may frequently happen, through obedience at the order of her director, it is well ; since, if she continued then to do them, she not only would "

receive no merit, but

would offend

Me

;

thus thou seest


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41

She ought, therefore, to adopt that they are merely finite. them as a means, and not as an end. For, if she takes them as an end she will be obliged, some time or other, to leave them, and will then remain empty. This, My trumpeter, the glorious Paul, taught you when he said in his epistle, that you should mortify the body and destroy self-will, knowing, that is to say, how to keep the rein on the body, macerating the flesh whenever it should wish to combat the spirit, but the will should be dead and annihilated in every thing, and subject to My will, and this slaying of the will is that due which, as I told thee, the virtue of discretion renders to the soul, that is to say, hatred and disgust of her own offences and sensuality, which are acquired by selfThis is the knife which slays and cuts off all knowledge. self-love founded in self-will. These then are they who give Me not only words but manifold works, and in these I take delight. And then I said that I desired few words, and many actions by the use of the word many I assign no ;

particular

number

founded in

love,

to thee, because the affection of the soul, life to all the virtues and good

which gives

works, should increase infinitely, and yet I do not, by this, exclude words, I merely said that I wished few of them, showing thee that every actual operation, as such, was finite,

and therefore

called them of little account but they they are performed as the instruments of virtue, and not as a principal end in themselves. However, no one should judge that he has greater perfec

please

I

;

Me when

"

tion,

because he performs great penances, and gives himself he who does less,

in excess to the slaying of his body, than

inasmuch as neither virtue nor merit consists therein for otherwise he would be in an evil case, who, from some Merit legitimate reason, was unable to do actual penance. ;

consists in the virtue of love alone, flavoured with the light of true discretion, without which the soul is worth nothing. And this love should be directed to Me endlessly, bound lessly, since I

am

the

Supreme and Eternal Truth.

The

soul can therefore place neither laws nor limits to her love for Me ; but her love for her neighbour, on the contrary, is

ordered

in

certain

conditions.

The

light

of

discretion


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CATHERINE

(which proceeds from love, as I have told thee) gives to the neighbour a conditioned love, one that, being ordered aright, does not cause the injury of sin to self in order to be useful to others, for, if one single sin were committed to save the whole world from Hell, or to obtain one great

would not be a rightly ordered or dis rather indiscreet, for it is not lawful to perform even one act of great virtue and profit to others, by means of the guilt of sin. Holy discretion ordains that

virtue, the motive

creet

love, but

the soul should direct

all

her powers to

My

service with a

manly zeal, and, that she should love her neighbour with such devotion that she would lay down a thousand times, were

possible, the

life of her body for the salvation of and torments so that her neighbour souls, enduring pains have life of the may grace, and giving her temporal sub stance for the profit and relief of his body. This is the supreme office of discretion which proceeds from charity. So thou seest how discreetly every soul, who

if it

"

wishes for grace, should pay her debts, that is, should love Me with an infinite love and without measure, but her neighbour with measure, with a restricted love, as I have said,

not doing herself the injury of sin in order to be This is St. Paul s counsel to thee when

useful to others.

he says that charity ought to be concerned first with self, otherwise it will never be of perfect utility to others. Because, when perfection is not in the soul, everything which the soul does for itself and for others is imperfect. It would not, therefore, be just that creatures, who are finite and created by Me, should be saved through offence done to Me, Who am the Infinite Good. The more serious the fault is in such a case, the less fruit will the action produce ; there fore, in no way, shouldest thou ever incur the guilt of sin. "

And

this true love

knows

well,

because she carries with

herself the light of holy discretion, that light which dissipates all darkness, takes away ignorance, and is the condiment of

every instrument of virtue. Holy discretion is a prudence which cannot be cheated, a fortitude which cannot be beaten, a perseverance from end to end, stretching from Heaven to earth, that

is,

from knowledge of

Me

to

knowledge of

self,


A TREATISE OF DISCRETION and from love of

Me

to love of

others.

43

And

the soul

escapes dangers by her true humility, and, by her prudence, flies all the nets of the world and, its creatures, and, with

unarmed hands, that is through much endurance, discomfits the devil and the flesh with this sweet and glorious light ; knowing, by it, her due of hatred.

own

fragility,

she renders to her weakness

its

Wherefore she has trampled on the world, and placed it under the feet of her affection, despising it, and holding it And vile, and thus becoming lord of it, holding it as folly. the men of the world cannot take her virtues from such a soul, but all their persecutions increase her virtues and prove them, which virtues have been at first conceived by the virtue of love, as has been said, and then are proved on her neighbour, and bring forth their fruit on him. Thus have I shown thee, that, if virtue were not visible and did not shine in the time of trial, it would not have been truly conceived ; for, I have already told thee, that perfect virtue cannot exist and give fruit except by means of the neigh bour, even as a woman, who has conceived a child, if she "

do not bring it forth, so that it may appear before the eyes of men, deprives her husband of his fame of paternity. It is the same with Me, am the Spouse of the soul, if

Who

she do not produce the child of virtue, in the love of her neighbour, showing her child to him who is in need, both in general and in particular, as I have said to thee before, so I declare now that, in truth, she has not conceived virtue at all;

and

this is also true

committed by means of the

of the

CHAPTER A

vices, all

of which are

neighbour."

XII.

repetition of several things already said, and how God promises refreshments to His servants, and the reformation of the Holy

Church, together with the means of much endurance. "

Now

thee,

thou seest that I, the Truth, have spoken truth to and have given thee the doctrine by which thou mayest


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and preserve great perfection ; and I have also declared to thee, in what way satisfaction is made, both for the guilt and the penalty, in thyself and in thy neighbour,

attain

saying to thee that the sufferings sustained by the creature, while in the mortal body, are not, of themselves, a sufficient expiation for the fault and the pain due to it, unless they are combined with the affection of love, and true contrition and displeasure of sin ; for, when suffering is combined

with love

it

satisfies,

not by virtue of the actual suffering

endured, but by virtue of the love and the grief for sin committed, which love is obtained by the light of the

with a pure and generous heart gazing at Me, as Who am Love itself. All this I have shown thee because thou didst ask Me if thou couldest suffer for My

intellect,

its object,

glory.

And

and

other servants

My

I

have shown

may

this to thee, in order that thou know how you should sacrifice

In your sacrifice, I say, both act and yourselves to me. be united as a vessel which is presented to should ; thought the Lord, is united with the water it contains, for the water could not be presented without the vessel, and the vessel would not be pleasing to Him if it did not contain the water. ,

>

So

say to you, that you ought to offer to many fatiguing actions, in whatever way I

Me

the vessel of

send them to after own neither your fashion, you, choosing, place, nor be full, nor the vessel should actions. Therefore time, that is, you should endure all those fatigues, with affection of

and

I

defects of patience, supporting the If you hatred and with of sin. displeasure your neighbour, do so, these labours which I have given you become a grateful vessel, full of the water of My grace which gives

love

true

and then I receive this gift from My sweet from every soul who serves Me well. I receive her anxieties, her desires, her tears, her humble sighs, and her continual prayers ; all which things are a means, by which, through love, I appease My wrath against My enemies, the men of iniquity who so greatly offend Me. So, endure manfully, even unto death, and this will be a sign to Me that you love Me and you should not turn your faces away and look askance at the plough, through fear of any to the soul, spouses, that is life

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should you

any

tribulation, rather, in

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45

such tribulations

rejoices in doing

you many and you are saddened on account of the injuries done in the world, and the offences which you see done against yourselves, which offend both you and Me, because Thou seest truly, that I have become one thing with you. I, having originally given you My image and similitude, and rejoice.

injuries,

My grace through sin, in order to restore of grace, I united My nature to you, covering with the veil of your humanity, and thus, while you, by

you, having lost to it

you

that

life

creation, possessed

human

My

image,

I

took your image in taking

am

therefore one thing with you, if indeed the soul do not leave Me through the guilt of mortal

the

form.

I

sin ; but he, who loves Me, remains in Me, and I in him, and yet the world persecutes him, because the world has no conformity with Me, and, in the same way, persecuted My

only begotten Son, even to the shameful death of the Cross. It does the same to you, it persecutes, and will persecute you, even unto death, because it loves Me not, for if, the

world had loved Me, it would also have loved you ; but I also rejoice, because your joy will be great in Heaven. say to thee that, as the mystical body of the Church abounds now in tribulation, so shall it one day abound all the more in sweetness, and consolation, and this shall be its sweetness the reformation produced by holy and good pastors, who are flowers of glory ; for they render glory and praise to My Name, rendering to Me the sweet odours of virtues The reformation concerns those odori founded on truth. ferous flowers, My ministers and pastors, not the fruit of My spouse, which never needs to be reformed, because it neither diminishes nor is hurt by the defects of My ministers. So do thou rejoice, and the spiritual father of thy soul, and My other servants, in the bitterness of your sorrow, because, in My Eternal Truth, I have promised to give you refreshment, and after your sorrow I will give you most sustaining consolation, with much substance in the reforma "

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XIII.

How

this soul grew by means of the divine response, and how her sorrows grew less, and how she prayed to God for the Holy Church, and for her own people.

THEN

and burning with the very great had conceived on learning the ineffable love of God, shewn in His great goodness, and, seeing the breadth of His charity, that, with such sweetness, He had deigned to reply to her request and to satisfy it, giving hope to the sorrow which she had conceived, on account of offences against God, and the damage of the Holy church, and through His own mercy, which she saw through self-know ledge, diminished, and yet, at the same time, increased her "

that soul, thirsting

desire that she

sorrow. "

way

For, the Supreme and Eternal Father, in manifesting the of perfection, showed her anew her own guilt, and the

more fully above. Also because in the knowledge which the soul obtains of herself, she knows more of God, and knowing the goodness of God loss of souls, as has been said

in herself, the sweet mirror of God,

dignity and

Her

is

she knows her own that of her creation,

indignity. dignity seeing that she is the image of God, and this has been given her by grace, and not as her due. In that same mirror of the

goodness of God, the soul knows her own indignity, which the consequence of her own fault. Wherefore, as a man more readily sees spots on his face when he looks in a

is

mirror, so, the soul who, with true knowledge of self, rises with desire, and gazes with the eye of the intellect at herself in the sweet mirror of God, knows better the stains of her own face, by the purity which she sees in Him. "Wherefore,

because light and knowledge increased in that

soul in the aforesaid way, a sweet sorrow grew in her, and at the same time, her sorrow was diminished by the hope

which the Supreme Truth gave her, and, as fire grows when fed with wood, so grew the fire in that soul to such an extent that it was no longer possible for the body to endure it is


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so that, had she not without the departure of the soul been surrounded by the strength of Him who is the Supreme Strength, it would not have been possible for her to have

it

;

lived any longer. This soul then, being purified by the fire of divine love, which she found in the knowledge of herself and of God, and her hunger for the salvation of the whole world, and for the reformation of the Holy Church, having grown with her hope of obtaining the same, rose with con

Supreme Father, showing Him the leprosy of the Holy Church, and the misery of the world, saying,^ as if with the words of Moses. My Lord, turn the eyes of Thy mercy upon Thy people, and upon the mystical fidence before the

"

body of the Holy Church, fied if

Thou pardonest

Thou wilt be the more glori many creatures, and givest to

for

so

knowledge, since all will render Thee praise see themselves escape through Thy infinite good ness from the clouds of mortal sin, and from eternal damna tion ; and then Thou wilt not only be praised by my

them the

light of

when they

wretched self, who have so much offended Thee, and who am the cause and the instrument of all this evil, for which reason I pray Thy divine and eternal love to take Thy revenge on me, and to do mercy to Thy people, and never will I depart from before Thy presence until I see that thou For what is it to me if I have life, grantest them mercy.

and Thy people death, and the clouds of darkness cover Thy spouse, when it is my own sins, and not those of Thy other I desire, creatures, that are the principal cause of this ? that Thou have of and mercy then, Thee, by Thy grace, beg

on Thy

people, and

I

adjure

Thee

that

Thou do

this

by Thy

uncreated love which moved Thee Thyself to create man in Thy image and similitude, saying, Let us make man in our

own image, and this Thou didst, oh eternal man might participate in everything belonging

Trinity, that to

Thee, the

most high and eternal Trinity." Wherefore Thou gavest him memory in order to re ceive Thy benefits, by which he participates in the power of and intellect that he might know, see the Eternal Father and so might participate in the wisdom of ing Thy goodness, Thine only-begotten Son and will, that he might love that "

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;

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intellect has seen and known of Thy truth, thus What participating in the clemency of Thy Holy Spirit. reason hadst Thou for creating man in such dignity? The

which his

inestimable love with which

Thou sawest Thy

creature in

Thyself, and didst become enamoured of him, for Thou didst create him through love, and didst destine him to be

such that he might taste and enjoy Thy Eternal Good. I see therefore that through his sin he lost this dignity in

which Thou didst originally place him, and by against Thee,

fell

that is to say,

we

"Therefore,

into a state of

his rebellion

war with Thy kindness,

became Thy enemies. Thou, moved by that same fire of love with all

which Thou didst create him, didst willingly give man a

means of

reconciliation, so that after the great rebellion into

there should come a great peace and him the only-begotten Word, Thy Son to be the Mediator between us and Thee. He was our Justice, for He took on Himself all our offences and in justices, and performed Thy obedience, Eternal Father, which Thou didst impose on Him, when Thou didst clothe

which he had so

Thou

Him

fallen,

;

didst give

with our humanity, our

human

nature and likeness.

Oh, abyss of love ! What heart can help breaking when it sees such dignity as Thine descend to such lowliness as our

humanity ? We are Thy image, and Thou hast become ours, by this union which Thou hast accomplished with man, veiling the Eternal Deity with the cloud of woe, and the For what reason ? Love. corrupted clay of Adam. O hast become man, and man has God, Wherefore, Thou, become God. By this ineffable love of Thine, therefore, I constrain Thee, and implore Thee that Thou do mercy ta

Thy

creatures."


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XIV.

How God

grieves over the Christian people, and particularly over and touches on the subject of the Sacrament of ; Christ s Body, and the benefit of the Incarnation.

His ministers

THEN God,

the eye of His mercy towards her, allowing Himself to be constrained by her tears, and bound by the chain of her holy desire, replied with lamentation

turning

sweetest daughter, thy tears constrain Me, because they are joined with My love, and fall for love of Me, and thy painful desires force Me to answer thee ; but marvel, and "

My

and become leprous, on account of her filthiness and self-love, and swollen with the pride and avarice of those who feed on their see

how My spouse has

own

defiled her face,

sin.

say of the universal body and the mystical body of the Holy Church (that is to say the Christian religion) I also say of My ministers, who stand and feed at the "What I

Holy Church ; and, not only should they feed themselves, but it is also their duty to feed and hold to those breasts the universal body of Christian people, and

breasts of

any other people who should wish to leave the darkness of their infidelity, and bind themselves as members to My See then with what ignorance and darkness, and Church. ingratitude, are administered, and with what filthy hands also

are handled this glorious milk and blood of My spouse, and with what presumption and irreverence they are received.

Wherefore, that which really gives the defects of those

who

receive

life, it,

often gives, through that is to say, ;

death

My only-begotten Son, which destroyed death and darkness, and gave life and truth, and confounded For I give this Blood and use It for salvation falsehood. and perfection in the case of that man who disposes himself

the precious Blood of

properly to receive it, for It gives life and adorns the soul with every grace, in proportion to the disposition and affec tion of him who receives It ; similarly It gives death to him who receives It unworthily, living in iniquity and in the

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darkness of mortal sin ; to him, I say, It gives death and not not through defect of the Blood, nor through defect of ; the minister, though there might be great evil in him, because his evil would not spoil nor defile the Blood nor diminish Its grace and virtue, nor does an evil minister

life

do harm to

him

whom

he gives the Blood, but to of guilt, which will be followed by punishment, unless he correct himself with contrition and I say then that the Blood does harm to him repentance. to

himself he does the

harm

who

receives it unworthily, not through defect of the Blood, nor of the minister, but through his own evil disposition and defect inasmuch as he has befouled his mind and body with such impurity and misery, and has been so cruel to himself and his neighbour. He has used cruelty to himself,

depriving himself of grace, trampling affection the fruit of the Blood which

under the feet of his he had received in Holy Baptism, when the stain of original sin was taken from him by virtue of the Blood, which stain he drew from his origin, when he was generated by his father and mother.

Wherefore I gave My Word, My only-begotten Son, because the whole stuff of human generation was corrupted "

through the sin of the you, vessels

made

first

of this

man Adam. stuff,

Wherefore,

all

of

were corrupted and not

so I, with My disposed to the possession of eternal life to the baseness of dignity, joined Myself your human generation, in order to restore lost

by

sin

account of

;

for guilt,

But man was not

I

it

My

divine

which you had suffering, and yet, on

to grace

was incapable of justice

demanded

suffering.

even if he had satisfied to a certain extent, he could only have satisfied for himself, and not for other rational creatures, besides which, neither for himself, nor for others, could man satisfy, his sin having been committed against Me, who am the Infinite Good. Wishing, however, to restore man, who was en and could not satisfy for the above reason, I sent feebled, sufficient to satisfy

it,

for,

My Word, My own Son, clothed in your the corrupted clay of Adam, in order that suffering in that self-same nature in which

own very

He

nature,

might endure man had offended,


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His body even to the opprobrious death of the He satisfied My justice and My divine mercy.

Cross, and so

For and

My mercy willed to dispose

him

to

make

to that

satisfaction for the sin of

good

for

which

I

man

had created

This human nature, joined with the divine nature, whole human race, not only on account of the pain which it sustained in its finite him.

was

sufficient to satisfy for the

nature, that

is in

the flesh of

and

Adam, but by

virtue of the

nature joined to it. The two natures being thus joined together, I received and accepted the sacrifice of My only-begotten Son, kneaded into one dough with the divine nature, by the fire of divine love Eternal

Deity, the divine

which was the

fetter

infinite

which held him fastened and nailed

to

Thus human nature was sufficient the Cross in this way. to satisfy for guilt, but only by virtue of the divine nature. And in this way was destroyed the stain of Adam s sin, only the mark of

it remaining behind, that is an inclination and to every sort of corporeal defect, like the cicatrice In this which remains when a man is healed of a wound.

to sin,

the original fault of Adam was able still to cause a wherefore the coming of the great Physician, ; that is to say, of My only-begotten Son, cured this invalid,

way

fatal stain

He drinking this bitter medicine, which man could not drink on account of his great weakness, like a fostermother who takes medicine instead of her suckling, because she is grown up and strong, and the child is not fit to He was man s foster-mother, en endure its bitterness. the with greatness and strength of the Deity united during, with your nature, the bitter medicine of the painful death of the Cross, to give life to you little ones debilitated by I say therefore that the mark alone of original sin guilt.

remains, which sin you take from your father and your mother when you are generated by them. But this mark

removed from the soul, though not altogether, by Holy Baptism, which has the virtue of communicating the life of grace by means of that glorious and precious Blood. Where is

fore, at the

moment

that the soul receives

Holy Baptism,

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the original corruption, as has been said, is indeed a source of weakness, but the soul can keep the bridle on it if she Then the vessel of the soul is disposed to receive choose. in herself grace, more or less, according as it her to pleases dispose herself willingly with affection, and desire of loving and serving Me ; and, in the same way, she can dispose herself to evil as to good, in spite of her having

and increase

Wherefore when the time received grace in Holy Baptism. of discretion is come, the soul can, by her free will, make choice either of good or evil, according as it pleases her and so great is this liberty that man has, and so strong has this liberty been made by virtue of this glorious Blood, that no demon or creature can constrain him to one smallest He has been redeemed from fault without his free consent. in free order that he might govern his and made slavery, will

;

own

sensuality,

and obtain the end

for

which he was created.

Oh, miserable man, who delights to remain in the mud like a brute, and does not learn this great benefit which he has received from

Me

wretched creature

full

!

A

benefit so great, that the poor

of such ignorance could receive no

greater."

CHAPTER XV. How

more gravely punished after the Passion of Christ than and how God promises to do mercy to the world, and to the Holy Church, by means of the prayers and sufferings of His sin is

before

;

servants.

AND I wish thee to know, My daughter, that, although I have re-created and restored to the life of grace, the human race, through the Blood of My only-begotten Son, as I have said, men are not grateful, but, going from bad to worse, and from guilt to guilt, even persecuting Me with many injuries, taking so little account of the graces which I have given them, and continue to give them, that, not only do they not attribute what they have received to grace, but seem to themselves on occasion to receive injuries from Me, "

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I say to thee that they will be more hard-hearted, and worthy of more punishment, and will, indeed, be punished more severely, now that they have received redemption in the Blood of My Son, than they would have been before "

that is, before the stain that redemption took place It is right that sin had been taken away.

of

Adam s

he who receives more should render more, and should be under greater obligations to Him from whom he receives

more.

Man, then, was closely bound to Me through his being which I had given him, creating him in My own image and similitude; for which reason, he was bound to render Me glory, but he deprived Me of it, and wished to give it to Thus he came to transgress My obedience im himself. And I, with My on him, and became My enemy. posed his pride, humiliating the divine na humility, destroyed and ture, taking your humanity, and, freeing you from the "

made you

And, not only did I give you liberty, but, you examine, you will see that man has become God, and God has become man, through the This is the union of the divine with the human nature. that is to say, the treasure debt which they have incurred of the Blood, by which they have been procreated to grace. See, therefore, how much more they owe after the redemp For they are now obliged to render Me tion than before. and glory praise by following in the steps of My Incarnate service of the devil,

I

free.

if

My only-begotten Son, for then they repay Me the debt of love both of Myself and of their neighbour, with true and genuine virtue, as I have said to thee above, and Word,

they do not do it, the greater their debt, the greater will be the offence they fall into, and therefore, by divine justice, if

the greater their suffering in eternal damnation. "A false Christian is punished more than a pagan, and the fire of divine justice consumes him more, that is, him more, and, in his affliction, he feels himself being consumed by the worm of conscience, though, in truth, he is not consumed, because the damned do not lose their being through any torment which they receive. Wherefore I say to thee, that they ask for death and cannot have it, for they

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cannot lose their being ; the existence of grace they lose, through their fault, but not their natural existence. There fore guilt is more gravely punished after the Redemption ol the Blood than before, because man received more ; but sinners neither seem to perceive this, nor to pay any atten

own sins, and so become My enemies, though have reconciled them, by means of the Blood of My Son. But there is a remedy with which I appease My wrath tion to their I

that is to say, by means of servants, if they are jealous to constrain Me by their desire. Thou seest, therefore, that

My

thou hast bound Me with this bond which I have given thee, because I wished to do mercy to the world. "

Therefore

I

servants hunger and desire for My souls, so that, constrained by mitigate the fury of My divine justice.

give

My

honour, and the salvation of their tears,

I

may

Take, therefore, thy tears and thy sweat, drawn from the fountain of My divine love, and, with them, wash the face of

My

spouse.

means, her beauty will be restored to her, not by the knife nor by cruelty, but peace fully, by humble and continued prayer, by the sweat and the tears shed by the fiery desire of My servants, and thus will I fulfil thy desire if thou, on thy part, endure much, casting the light of thy patience into the darkness of per verse man, not fearing the world s persecutions, for I will protect thee, and My Providence shall never fail thee in the "

I

promise thee,

slightest

that,

by

this

need."

CHAPTER

XVI.

How this

soul, knowing the Divine Goodness, did not remain content to pray only for Christians, but prayed in general for the whole world.

THEN that soul (rising on the wings of greater knowledge, and standing before the Divine Majesty with very great joy and comfort, both through the hope which she had received of the Divine Mercy, and the ineffable love which she had


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tasted, seeing that God, on account of His love and desire to do mercy to men, in spite of their being His enemies, had given the means and the way to His servants to con

strain

His own goodness, and appease His anger), rejoiced,

losing

all

fear of the persecutions of the world, seeing that side, and the fire of her holy desire grew

God was on her greatly,

so that she could

not remain content, but, with

holy confidence, begged mercy for the whole world. And in her second this, although prayer, she asked for the good and profit of Christians and of the faithful, that is to say for

of Holy Church, nevertheless, in her she her hunger, spread prayer over the whole world, as if the world itself caused her to pray, crying Oh, Eternal for the reformation

"

God that

Thy lambs, like the Good Shepherd not delay Thy mercy to the world, seems to be hardly able to exist any longer

Give mercy

!

Thou

because

it

to

Do

art.

but to be entirely deprived of the union of love Thee, the Eternal Truth, and men seem equally deprived of love towards each other, for they do not love without

it,

with

each other with a love founded in

CHAPTER

Thee."

XVII.

How God laments over

His rational creatures, principally on account of the self-love which reigns in them; strengthening the above mentioned soul for greater efforts of prayer and tears.

THEN God, means

all

to light

inflamed with love for our salvation, took up a greater love and a greater grief in that

showing, in the following way, with what love He had created man, of which something has been said above. And He said Dost thou not see how every man soul,

"

:

persecutes Me, and yet I have created him with such a fire of love, and given him grace and mercy, infinite gifts, See then, through My free grace and not of his own due.

with how many and diverse sins they persecute and Me, especially with their miserable self-love, from which

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proceeds every evil. With this self-love, they have poisoned the whole world, for, just as the love of Me contains in itself

every virtue brought forth upon their neighbour, as I have shown thee, so sensual self-love, since it proceeds from pride (and love of Me proceeds from charity), contains in itself every evil ; and these evils they perform by means of creatures, being separated and divided from love of their neighbour, since, not loving Me, they do not love him either;

two loves are joined together, and therefore I said all good and all evil was done by means I have therefore much to grieve over in man, who from Me has received nothing but good, and yet renders Me hatred, working every sort of iniquity. This I have said to thee, in order that, through the tears of My servants, I might mitigate My wrath. Therefore do for these

to thee above, that of the neighbour.

you,

My

servants, prepare yourselves before

Me

with

many

prayers and anxious desires, and with grief for the sin which is done against Me and for the damnation of souls.

And

so will you mitigate the wrath of Divine

CHAPTER How

Justice."

XVIII.

no man can escape from the hands of God, him either in Mercy or in Justice.

for

God

visits

AND know, My

dearest daughter, that no one can escape hands, for I Am, and you are not in in but so far as yourselves, only you act through Me,

from

Am Who

My

Who

am

the Creator of

except sin which

is

and, inasmuch as being loved. For

things which share the gift of being, nothing, and therefore not made by Me,

all

it

is

not found in Me,

it is

not worthy of

this reason the creature sins

and

offends,

because she loves that which she ought not to love, namely sin, and hates Me, whom she is obliged and bound to love, because I am the Supreme Good, and have given her being with such fire of love. Outside of Me souls cannot go, because

they are either in

Me

through justice for their


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or

through

Open thou

mercy.

the

57

of thine

eye

hand, and thou wilt see that the

gaze into My have said to thee." Then she, lifting her eyes, in obedience to the Supreme Father, saw, clenched in the hollow of His hand, the whole

intellect to

truth is as

I

universe, and God said to her daughter, see and learn that no one can be taken from Me ; for all "

:

My

now who

are here, are here through justice, or through mercy, as I have said, for they are Mine, and created by Me, and I love

them ineffably and yet, in spite of their iniquity, I will do them mercy, by means of My servants, and will grant the petition which, with such grief and love, thou hast asked of ;

Me."

CHAPTER How this

soul,

XIX.

growing in amorous heat, yearned to sweat blood made a particular prayer for the spiritual ;

and, accusing herself, father of her soul.

THEN

that soul, as

increasing sorrowful.

fire

if

dumb and

beside herself through the

of her holy desire, remained both blessed and

She was blessed through

the union which she had with and God, tasting joy goodness, being wholly immersed in His mercy. And she was sorrowful, seeing such goodness offended and she rendered thanks to the Divine Majesty, that God had manifested to her the defects of His knowing in order that she should be constrained to exert creatures, herself with greater desire and anxiety for their salvation, and this feeling for souls was so renewed in her, and this holy and amorous fire grew to such a pitch, that she desired that the sweat of water, cast out of her, by the violence done to her body by her soul, should be a sweat of blood. She thus sweated, through the force and heat of love, because the union which her soul had with God was more but she perfect than the union of her soul with her body despised it through the great desire which she had to see a ;

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of blood issue from her body, saying to herself: Oh, my soul ! thou hast lost all the time of thy life, and yet so many evils and troubles have come upon the world,

sweat "

and the Holy Church, both in general and and I will, therefore, that thou bear remedy with a sweat of

in

particular ; to these evils

blood."

In truth this soul had well taken to heart the doctrine

which the Truth had taught her, namely, ever to know her self and the goodness of God in her, and the remedy with which she should try and heal the whole world, and appease the wrath of God and His divine justice, that is, humble, continuous and holy prayer. Then, this soul, cast prone by holy desire, arose, opening wider the eye of the intellect, gazing on herself in the divine love, when she saw and tasted how we~are bound far

by love

to seek the glory

and the praise of God

in

the

salvation of souls.

And

God to be called to this, and Truth particularly called and elected the This spiritual father she spiritual father of her soul. carried before the Divine Goodness, praying that It would shed on him a ray of grace, so that he might truly follow the Truth Itself. she saw the servants of

that the Eternal

CHAPTER XX. tribulations with patience, it is impossible to please God and how God comforts her and her spiritual father to endure with true patience.

How, without enduring ;

THEN God,

replying to her third petition (namely, the prayer of her hunger for the salvation of the spiritual father of her soul), said :

wish him to seek, namely, which he has for But this he could not have, neither he, nor thou, nor any one else, without "

Daughter,

this

is

what

I

to please Me, the Truth, in the hunger the salvation of souls with all solicitude.

many

troubles, as

I

said to thee above, according to the


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in

desire to see

which

I

59

Wherefore, if thou give them you. in the Holy Church, thou oughtest

My honour,

so to love as to wish to endure with true patience ; and, by other servants this, I shall see that he and thou and My

honour

My

seek

in

truth.

Then he

will

become

My

dearest son, and will repose himself and others upon the breast of My only-begotten Son, whom I have made the all arrive at your end, and your labours which you have Bear yourselves then man the love of Me.

Bridge by which you receive the

endured for

of

fruit

may

all

fully."

CHAPTER XXL How the road to Heaven being broken through Adam, God made

the disobedience ot

Son a Bridge by which man could

pass.

I have made a Bridge only-begotten Son, and this is the wish that you, My children, should know that

WHEREFORE My Word,

of

truth.

of his

I

I

have told thee that

of

My

was broken by the

sin and disobedience of Adam, way, that no one could arrive at Eternal Life. Wherefore men did not render Me glory in the way in which they ought to have, as they did not participate in that Good for which I had created them, and My truth was not This truth is that I have created man to My fulfilled. own image and similitude, in order that he might have Eternal Life, and might partake of Me, and taste My But, after supreme and eternal sweetness and goodness. sin had closed Heaven and bolted the doors of mercy, the soul of man produced thorns and prickly brambles, and My creature found in himself rebellion against himself.

the road

in such a

And

the flesh immediately began to war against the the state of innocency, became a foul animal, and all created things rebelled against man, whereas they would have been obedient to him, had he remained in "

Spirit, and, losing

the state in which therein,

I

transgressed

had placed him.

My

He, not remaining

obedience, and merited

eternal


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death in soul and body. And, as soon as he had sinned, a flood which ever buffets him with its tempestuous arose, him weariness and trouble from himself, waves, bringing

Every one was drowned in the because no one, with his own justice alone, could arrive at Eternal Life. And so, wishing to remedy your I have great evils, given you the Bridge of My Son, in the devil, and the world.

flood,

order that, passing

across

drowned, which flood

the

flood,

be

you may not

the tempestuous sea of this dark life. See, therefore, under what obligations the creature is to Me, and how ignorant he is, not to take the remedy

which

I

have

is

offered, but to

be willing to

CHAPTER How God

drown."

XXII.

induces the soul to look at the greatness of this Bridge, it reaches from earth to Heaven.

inasmuch as

OPEN, my daughter, the eye of thy intellect, and thou wilt see the accepted and the ignorant, the imperfect, and also the perfect who follow Me in truth, so that thou mayest "

grieve over the damnation of the ignorant, and rejoice over the perfection of My beloved servants. "

Thou

walk

wilt see further

in the light,

how

those bear themselves

and those who walk

also wish thee to look

at

the Bridge of

who

the darkness.

in

My

Son, and see the greatness thereof, for

it

I

only begotten reaches from

Heaven

to earth, that is, that the earth of your ioined to the greatness of the Deity thereby.

humanity

is

say then that this Bridge reaches from Heaven to earth, and con stitutes the union which I have made with man.

This was necessary, in order to reform was broken, as I said to thee, in order

the that

I

road which

man

should

pass through the bitterness of the world, and arrive at life ; but the Bridge could not be made of earth sufficiently large to

span the flood and give you Eternal

earth of

human

Life,

because the

nature was not sufficient to satisfy for

guilt,


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Adam s sin. Which stain corrupted race and gave out a stench, as I have It was, therefore, necessary to join said to thee above. human nature with the height of My nature, the Eternal to

remove the

stain of

human

the whole

might be

Deity, so that

it

human

so that

race,

sufficient to satisfy for the

human

nature should

whole

sustain

the

punishment, and that the Divine nature, united with the human, should make acceptable the sacrifice of My only Son, offered to Me to take death from you and to give you life. So the height of the Divinity, humbled to the earth, and joined with your humanity, made the Bridge and reformed the road. Why was this done ? In order that "

man might come And observe, that have

life,

that

My

unless you walk

to it is

his true happiness with the angels. not enough, in order that you should

Son should have made you

this Bridge,

thereon."

CHAPTER

XXIII.

How we

are all labourers of God in the vineyard of the Holy Church and how each man has his own vine and how we all must be united in the Son of God, the True Vine. ;

;

AT

Truth proceeded to show her that, us had created without ourselves, He would not though save us without ourselves. Wherefore He wishes us to use our free will by our own unfettered choice, passing our time in the exercise of true virtues, and so continuing from point The Eternal Truth added, "You must all walk to point. across this Bridge, seeking the glory and praise of My this point the Eternal

He

Name

in

the

suffering your

salvation

many

of

souls,

enduring with patient

fatigues, following the footsteps of this

Word for in no other way can you and Me, you are My labourers, set to work in the of the vineyard Holy Church. You labour in the universal of the Christian body religion, placed there by My Grace, received the light of Holy Baptism, which from Me having sweet and amorous arrive at

;


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has

incorporated

you

the

into

Church, at the hands of to labour at your side.

ST.

My

CATHERINE

mystical

body of Holy

whom

I have placed are placed in the universal body of the Church, and they are placed in her mystical body to feed your souls, ministering to you the Blood in the Sacraments which you receive from the Church, their

ministers,

You

task being to extract the thorns of mortal sin, and to plant in you the seed of grace. They are my labourers in the

vine

of your

that is

soul,

upon the vine of the Holy

grafted

And

every rational creature has her own vine, the vine of her soul she labours this vine by means

Church.

;

of her will and free choice in time, that is to say, while she lives, but when the time is past she can do no more work, neither good nor evil, but only while she lives can she

the vine in which

till

have placed her. And she has received such strength for this labour of her soul that neither the devil nor any other creature can take for she was strengthened it from her without her consent in the reception of Holy Baptism, and there was given her I

"

;

then a pruning-knife with the blades of love of virtue and hatred of sin, through which very same love, and hatred of sin, My only-begotten Son died, giving you His Blood by So you have the which you have life in Holy Baptism. knife which you should use, by your own free choice, while you have the time, to cut out the thorns of mortal sins and plant the virtues, because in no other way could you receive the fruit of the Blood from the ministers labouring at My orders in the Holy Church, of whom I say that they remove mortal sin from the vine of the soul and give her grace, showing forth the Blood in the Sacraments which are

ordained in the Church.

is

It

necessary, therefore, that contrition of

you should first wash yourselves with true heart, and hatred of sin, and love of virtue ;

then, indeed,

will receive the fruit of the Blood, but in

no other way

you will for

you be able to receive it, unless you dispose yourselves your part, as good branches united to the vine of My

I am the true vine, and My only-begotten Son Who said Father is the husbandman, and you are the branches" And this, indeed, is the truth, that I am the Husbandman, for (

:


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everything that has being has proceeded and proceeds from

Me. power is inestimable, for by it, I govern the whole universe, and nothing was ever made or governed without I am the Husbandman who planted the true Vine of Me.

My

My

only-begotten

Son

in the earth of

your humanity, so

that you, being branches joined to the Vine, may bring forth But he who does not bring forth the fruit of holy fruit.

actions will be cut off from the Vine, and will wither away. For, being separated from the Vine, he loses the life of grace

and

is

cast into eternal

fire,

even as the branch which

brings forth no fruit is cut off from the Vine and burnt, Such as these, who are cut being good for nothing else. off for their offences,

and die

in the guilt of mortal sin, the

Divine Justice casts into the eternal fire, since they are These have not laboured their own good for nothing else. vine, but, on the contrary, have destroyed it, and not only their own but that of their neighbour ; and yet it seems to

them

that they have planted a

good strong plant of virtue, has not sprung from the seed of grace, which they received with the light of Holy Baptism, sharing the Blood of My Son which was the wine produced by this true Vine. But they have taken that seed and have cast it as food to

but

it

and many sinners, and so they have own disordinate lust, and trampled have ruined themselves and their neighbours but My servants do not so, and you should imitate them, that is, you should remain calmly united to the true Vine, and then you beasts, that is to divers it

under the

feet of their

;

much

because you will participate in And, remaining thus in My Word, you will remain in Me, because He and I are together one thing.

will bring forth

fruit,

the sap thereof.

Remaining in Him, you will follow His teaching, and follow ing His teachihg, you will participate in the very substance of His Divine Word, that is, you will participate in My Eternal Deity, joined to your humanity, leading you on by a Divine love which intoxicates the soul, and therefore I

said that

you share the substance of the Vine.


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CHAPTER XXIV. How God farms

and prunes His vine

;

and how each man

s

vine

is

so closely united with his neighbour s, that he cannot either cultivate or ruin the one without the other. "

DOST thou know how

I

act in order that

My servants may

be united in following the doctrine of My sweet and amor I prune them in order that they ous Word ? may bring forth much fruit, and that their fruit may be fit for My table, In the same way a husbandman and may not remain wild.

prunes and sets in order a good branch of a vine so that it may make better and more wine; and the branch that brings forth no fruit, he cuts away and casts into the fire. So I, the true

Husbandman, prune

Me, with

many

My

who remain in may bring forth virtfce may be proved

servants

tribulations, so that they

more and better fruit, and that their and those that do not bring forth fruit are cut into the

fire.

These, then, are true labourers

;

off

who

and

cast

cultivate

well their soul, rooting out all self-love, and turning over the earth of their affection on Me. They nourish and increase the seed of grace which they received in Holy Baptism, arid labouring their own vine, labour their neighbour s, for they

Thou rememberest and all evil were good accomplished by means of the do Thus, then, neighbour. you become My husbandmen, from the Me, Superior and Eternal Husbandman proceeding Who have joined you together, grafting you on the true Vine by the union which I have made with you. Remember, then, that all rational creatures have their own vine indeed, cannot labour one without the other. that

but

all

it is

joined directly to their neighbour s vine, so closely

no one can do good or harm to his neighbour without doing it to himself, and all of you together make up the universal vine which is the whole congregation of Christians that

who

are united in the vine of the mystical body of

Holy

In which vine Church, from which you draw your life. Vine of is the yard planted My only-begotten Son, on Which you should be grafted ; for, if you are not


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grafted on Him, you become rebels to the Holy Church, and, as limbs, cut from the body, which immediately corrupt. It is true that, while you have time, you can free your "

selves from the stench of sin

by true repentance, turning to the My ministers, husbandmen, who hold the key of the that of the Blood that issued from His Vine. Wine, is,

Which Blood

is

so perfectly

made

that,

through no defect of

the minister, can its effect be hindered. The branches are bound up with the bonds of love, and he who binds them must do so with true humility, acquired by a true knowledge of himself and Me. See, then, that I have placed you all as husbandmen, and now again, I invite you to your labour, because the world is reaching an evil pass and the thorns are so multiplied in the vineyard that they have crushed out ;

the seed, so that I

My vines will bring forth no fruit of grace. wish you, then, to be true husbandmen, and with great

zeal

to

cultivate

souls in the mystical body of the

Church, and this, I say, because world, for which thou prayest to

I

Holy

wish to do mercy to the

Me

so

ardently."

CHAPTER XXV. How

this soul prays

God

to

aforesaid Bridge,

THEN

this

soul

show her those who cross by the and those who do not.

exclaimed

with

ardent

"

love,

Oh,

Who

Charity, sweet above all sweetness would not be inflamed by such great love ? What heart can

inestimable

!

help breaking at such tenderness ? It seems, oh, Abyss of Charity, as if thou wert mad with love of Thy creature, as if

Thou couldest not live without him, and yet Thou art our God who hast no need of us, Thy greatness does not increase through our good, for Thou art unchangeable, and our evil causes Thee no harm, for Thou art the Supreme and Eternal Goodness. What moves Thee to do us such mercy through pure

Thou owedst

love,

us, or need

and on account of no debt that that

Thou

hadst

of us ? E

We


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am

Thy guilty and malignant debtors. Wherefore, understand aright, Oh, Supreme and Eternal Truth, I For I the thief and Thou hast been punished for me.

see

Thy Word, Thy

are rather if

I

of which thou hast

Son, fastened and nailed to the Cross, Bridge, as Thou hast shown

made me a

Thy miserable servant, for which reason, my heart is bursting, and yet cannot burst, through the hunger and the I remember, desire which it has conceived towards Thee. me,

my Lord, that Thou wast willing to show me who are those who go by the Bridge and those who do not should it please Thy goodness to manifest this to me, willingly would ;

I

see and hear

it."

CHAPTER XXVI. How this

Bridge has three steps, which signify the three states of the soul and how, being lifted on high, yet it is not separated from the earth and how these words are to be understood // ;

"

:

;

I

am

THEN still "

lifted

up from

the earth, I will

draw

all things

Me"

the Eternal God, to enamour and excite that soul for the salvation of souls, replied to her, and said

more

First, as

:

I

have shown thee that for which thou didst

wish, and ask Me, this Bridge.

I

I

will

now

have told thee,

reaches from Heaven to earth

which

unto

I

have made with man,

explain to thee the nature of My daughter, that the Bridge ;

this

whom

through the union formed of the clay of

is I

Now learn that this Bridge, My only-begotton has three steps, of which two were made with the Son, wood of the most Holy Cross, and the third still retains the

the earth.

He

tasted, when He was given gall and In these three steps you will recognise three states of the soul, which I will explain to thee below. The feet of the soul, signifying her affection, are the

great bitterness

vinegar to drink.

the feet carry the body as the affection carries Wherefore these pierced Feet are steps by which thou canst arrive at His Side, Which manifests to thee the secret of His Heart, because the soul, rising on the steps of

first step, for

the soul.


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His Heart, Son, with the eye of the I say intellect, and finds It consumed with ineffable love. consumed, because He does not love you for His own

her

affection,

to taste the love of

gazing into that open Heart of

My

because you can be of no profit to Him, He being Then the soul is filled one and the same thing with Me. with love, seeing herself so much loved. Having passed the second step, the soul reaches out to the third that is to the Mouth, where she finds peace from the terrible war On the first step, then, she has been waging with her sin. lifting her feet from the affections of the earth, the soul on the second she fills herself with strips herself of vice and on the third she tastes peace. love and virtue So the Bridge has three steps, in order that, climbing past the first and the second, you may reach the last, which is lifted on high, so that the water, running beneath, may not touch it This Bridge is for, in My Son, was no venom of sin. lifted on high, and yet, at the same time, joined to the earth. Dost thou know when it was lifted on high ? When My Son was lifted up on the wood of the most Holy Cross,

profit,

;

;

;

the Divine nature remaining joined to the lowliness of the earth of your humanity.

For

this reason I said to thee that, being lifted on high, not lifted out of the earth, for the Divine nature is united and kneaded into one thing with it. And there was no "

He was

one who could go on the Bridge high, wherefore

He

until It

had been

lifted

on

Si exaltatus fuero a terra omnia traham ad me ipsum? that is, If I am lifted on high I will draw all things to Me. My Goodness, seeing that in no other way could you be drawn to Me, I sent Him in order that He said,

l

1

lifted on high on the wood of the Cross, making of an anvil on which My Son, born of human generation, should be re-made, in order to free you from death, and to re store you to the life of grace wherefore He drew everything to Himself by this means, namely, by showing the ineffable love, with which I love you, the heart of man being always

should be it

;

attracted

you,

My

by

love.

than to lay

Son was

Greater

down My

treated

in

this

love, then, I life

for

could not

show

perforce,

then,

you;

way by

love,

in

order that


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ignorant to

man

be

should

ST.

unable

being drawn

resist

to

Me. "In

high,

very truth, then,

He would draw

My

Son

drawn by the

together with Memory, the

being

said, that,

And

Him.

things to

all

understood in two ways. Firstly, is

CATHERINE

that,

affection of love, as

I

lifted

this is to

on be

when

the heart of man

have

said,

the powers of his soul, that Intellect, and the Will ; now,

all

it is is,

drawn

with the

when these

harmoniously joined together in My powers Name, all the other operations which the man performs, whether in deed or thought, are pleasing, and joined together by the effect of love, because love is lifted on high, follow so My Truth said Well, ing the Sorrowful Crucified One If I am lifted on high, etc., meaning, that if the heart and

three

are

;

the powers of the soul are

drawn

to

Him,

all

the actions

are also drawn to Him.

Secondly, everything has been created for the service of man, to serve the necessities of rational creatures, and the rational creature has not been made for them, but for Me, in order to serve Me with all his heart,

and with

all

his affection.

See, then, that

man

being drawn, everything else is drawn with him, because It was therefore everything else has been made for him.

necessary that the Bridge should be lifted on high, and have steps, in order that it might be climbed with greater facility."

CHAPTER How

XXVII.

this Bridge is built of stones which signify virtues and how on the Bridge is a hostelry where food is given to the travellers and how he who goes over the Bridge goes to life, while he who goes under It goes to perdition and death. ;

;

THIS Bridge is built of stones, so that, if the rain come, it may not impede the traveller. Dost thou know what these stones are ? They are the stones of true and sincere virtues. These stones were not built into the walls before the Passion of My Son, and therefore even those who attempted to walk


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by the road of virtue were prevented from arriving at their journey s end, because Heaven was not yet unlocked with the key of the Blood, and the rain of Justice did not let them pass ; but, after the stones were made, and built up on the Body of My sweet Son, My Word, of Whom I have spoken to thee, He, Who was Himself the Bridge, moistened That is, His its building with His Blood. Blood was united with the mortar of divinity, and with the fortitude, and the fire of love ; and, by My power, these stones of the virtues were built into a wall, upon Him as the foundation, for there is no virtue which has not been proved in Him, and from Him all virtues have their life. the mortar for

Wherefore no one can have the virtue given by a life of grace, but from Him, that is, without following the footsteps of His doctrine. He has built a wall of the virtues, planting them as living stones, and cementing them with His Blood, so that every believer may walk speedily, and without any he

servile fear of the rain of Divine justice, for

is

sheltered

by the mercy which descended from Heaven in the Incar How was Heaven opened ? With nation of this My Son. so thou seest that the Bridge is the key of His Blood His also is the Hostelry walled and roofed with Mercy. in the Garden of the Holy Church, which keeps and ministers the Bread of Life, and gives to drink of the Blood, so that My creatures, journeying on their pilgrimage, may and for this not, through weariness, faint by the way reason My love has ordained that the Blood and the Body of My only begotten Son, wholly God and wholly man, ;

;

The pilgrim, having passed the be ministered to you. is part of the Bridge, at arrives at the door which Bridge, / am the Way, which all must enter, wherefore He says the Truth and the Life, he who follows Me does not walk in

may

,

darkness,

but in

says,

That no

indeed

it is.

light.

man

And

can come

Therefore

He

in to

another place

Me

says of

My

Truth

Him] and so Himself that He is the

if not by

and I have already shewn thee And He that He is a Road in the form of the Bridge. He is because that He He is and so the is, Truth, says united with Me Who am the Truth, and he who follows Road, and

this is the truth,


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Him, walks in the Truth, and in Life, because he who follows this Truth receives the life of grace, and cannot faint

from

food, nor

hunger, because the Truth in the darkness, because

has become your

He is light without He confounded and

fall

And, with that Truth, destroyed the lie that the Devil told to Eve, with which he broke up the road to Heaven, and the Truth brought the

any falsehood.

pieces together again, and cemented them with His Blood. Wherefore, those who follow this road are the sons of the Truth, because they follow the Truth, and pass through the door of Truth and find themselves united to Me,

Who

am

the

Door and the Road and

at the

same time

Infinite

Peace.

But

who walks

not on this road, goes under the where there are no stones, only water, and since there are no supports in the water, no one can travel that way without drowning thus have come Where to pass the sins, and the condition of the world. fore, if the affection is not placed on the stones, but is placed, with disordinate love, on creatures, loving them, and being kept by them far from Me, the soul drowns, for creatures are like water that continually runs past, and man also passes continually like the river, although it seems ta him that he stands still and the creatures that he loves pass by, and yet he is passing himself continually to the And he would fain retain end of his journey death himself, (that is his life, and the things that he loves,) but he does not succeed, either, through death, by which he has to leave them, or, through my disposition, by which these Bridge,

he,

in

the

river

;

!

created things are taken from the sight of My creatures. Such as these follow a lie, walking on the road of falsehood, and are sons of the Devil, who is the Father of Lies ; and,

because they pass by the door of falsehood, they receive So then thou seest, that I have shown

eternal damnation.

thee both Truth and Falsehood, that is, My road which is Truth, and the Devil s which is Falsehood."


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River,

travelling "

THESE

Wonder,

71

XXVIII.

on both of these roads, that is the Bridge and the and of the delight which the soul feels in

fatiguing

;

by the Bridge.

are the two roads, and both are hard to travel. then, at the ignorance and blindness of man,

who, having a Road made for

who

him, which

causes

such

that every bitterness becomes burden every light, yet prefers to walk over the

delight to those

use

It,

sweet, and water. For those

who cross by the Bridge, being still in the darkness of the body, find light, and, being mortal, find immortal life, tasting, through love, the light of Eternal Truth Which promises refreshment to him who wearies him

Who am

grateful and just, and render to every he deserves. Wherefore every good deed is rewarded, and every fault is punished. The tongue would not be sufficient to relate the delight felt by him who goes on this road, for, even in this life, he tastes and participates in that good which has been prepared for him

self for

man

Me,

according as

life. He, therefore, is a fool indeed, who despises so great a good, and chooses rather to receive in this life, the earnest money of Hell, walking by the lower road with

in eternal

great

toil,

and without

Wherefore, through

Who am

the

any refreshment

Supreme and Eternal Good.

thou reason for

grief,

or

advantage. of Me,

their sins, they are deprived

and

I

will

that thou

Truly then hast and My other

servants remain in continual bitterness of soul at the offence

done to Me, and in compassion for the ignorant, and the loss of those who, in their ignorance, thus offend Me. thou hast seen and heard about this Bridge, how it is, and

Now

this I

have told thee

in order to explain

My words,

that

My

And thus, thou seest only-begotten Son was a Bridge. that He is the Truth, made in the way that I have shown thee, that is by the union of height and lowliness,"


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CHAPTER XXIX. How "

having reached to Heaven on the day of the Ascension, did not for that reason leave the earth.

this Bridge,

WHEN My

only-begotten Son returned to Me, forty days Bridge, namely Himself, arose

after the resurrection, this

from the earth, that is, from among the conversation of men, and ascended into Heaven by virtue of the Divine Nature and sat at the right hand of Me, the Eternal Father, as the angels said, on the day of the Ascension, to the disciples, standing like dead men, their hearts lifted on high, and ascended into Heaven with the wisdom of My Son

He is seated at the right When He, then, had thus ascended on high, and returned to Me the Father, I sent the Master, that is the Holy Spirit, Who came to you with My power f

Do

not stand here any longer, for

hand of

the

Father /

and the wisdom of My Son, and with His own clemency, He is one thing which is the essence of the Holy Spirit. And He built up with Me, the Father, and with My Son. the road of the doctrine which My Truth had left in world.

the

Son

Thus, though

the

presence

bodily

of

My

you, His doctrine remained, and the virtue of the stones founded upon this doctrine, which is the way made for you by this Bridge. For first, He practised this doctrine and made the road by His actions, giving you His doctrine by example rather than by words for He practised, first Himself, what He afterwards taught you, then the left

;

Holy Spirit made you certain of the doctrine, fortifying the minds of the disciples to confess the truth, and to announce this road, that is, the doctrine of

clemency

of

the

Christ crucified, reproving, by this means, the world of its injustice and false judgment, of which injustice and false

judgment,

I

will

in

time

discourse

to

you

at

greater

length.

This much I have said to thee in order that there might be no cloud of darkness in the mind of your hearers, that "

is,

that they

may know

that of this

Body of

Christ

I

made


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73

human

nature,

for this is the truth.

Bridge, taking its point of departure in you, rose and was the one road which was taught you What has now the example and life of the Truth.

"This

into Heaven,

by

remained of

all

this,

and where

is

the road to be found ?

who might I tell thee that this way on this point. of His doctrine, of which I have spoken to thee, confirmed by the Apostles, declared by the blood of the martyrs, illuminated by the light of doctors, confessed by the con fessors, narrated in all its love by the Evangelists, all of I

will tell thee, that is,

fall

I

will rather tell those

into ignorance

whom

stand as witnesses to confess the Truth, is found in These witnesses are the mystical body of the Holy Church. like the light placed on a candlestick, to show forth the way

of the Truth which leads to

life with a perfect light, as I as thee, and, they themselves say to thee, with have since they proved in their own cases, that every proof, if he will, be illuminated to know the Truth, person may,

have said to

unless he choose to deprive his reason of light by his It inordinate self-love. indeed, the truth that His is, has like a lifeboat to draw is and remained doctrine true, the soul out of the tempestuous sea and to conduct her to the port of salvation.

Wherefore, first I gave you the Bridge of My Son living and conversing in very deed amongst men, and when He, the living Bridge, left you, there remained the Bridge and the road of His doctrine, as has been said, His doctrine being joined with My power and with His wisdom, and "

with the clemency of the Holy Spirit.

This power of Mine

gives the virtue of fortitude to whoever follows this road, wisdom gives him light, so that, in this road, he may recognise

and the Holy Spirit gives him love, which consumes and takes away all sensitive love out of the soul, Thus, in both ways, leaving there only the love of virtue. both actually and through His doctrine, He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life that is, the Bridge which leads you to the height of Heaven. This is what He meant when He said, / came from the Father, and I return to the Father , the truth,

;


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and

shall return to

Me

to you,

ST.

CATHERINE

you* that is to say, My Father sent and made Me your Bridge, so that you might be saved from the river and attain to life. Then He says, ;

1

/

will

return

send you to the

go

to

you,

I

will not leave

will

My

will

as

the Paraclete

if

Father and return

who

you orphans, but Truth should say, I

that

;

is,

that

when

the

Holy

the Paraclete, He will show more and will confirm you clearly, you in the way of truth, that I have given you. He said that He would return, and Spirit shall come,

is called

He did return, because the Holy Spirit came not alone, but with the power of the Father, and the wisdom of the Son, and the clemency of His own Essence. See then how He returns, not in actual flesh and blood, but, as I have said, building the road of His doctrine, "

with His power, which road cannot be destroyed or taken away from him who wishes to follow it, because it is firm and stable, and proceeds from Me, Who am immoveable. Manfully, then, should you follow this road, without any cloud of doubt, but with the light of faith which has been given you as a principle in Holy Baptism. Now I have fully shown to you the Bridge as it actually "

"

and the doctrine, which is one and the same thing with And I have shown it to the ignorant, in order that they may see where this road of Truth is, and where stand those who teach it and I have explained that they are the Martyrs, Confessors, Evangelists, and Apostles, Holy

is, it.

;

Doctors, placed like lanterns in the

Holy Church.

have shown how

My Son, returning to Me, none returned to in His bodily presence, but by not less, you, His power, when the Holy Spirit came upon the disciples, "And

I

the as

I

have

his bodily presence He will not of Day Judgment, when He will come and Divine Power to judge the world, Majesty

said.

For

in

return until the last

again with

My

to the virtuous, and reward them for their in both labours, body and soul, and to dispense the evil of eternal death to those who have lived wickedly in the world. "And now I wish to tell thee that which I, the Truth,

to render

good

promised

thee,

that

is,

to

show thee the

perfect,

the

and the wicked, who, imperfect, and the supremely perfect their in drown the through river, attaining to iniquities, ;


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punishment and torment; wherefore I say to you, My dearest sons, walk over the Bridge, and not underneath it, because underneath is not the way of truth, but the way of falsehood, by which walk the wicked, of whom I will presently speak to you.

These are those sinners

for

whom

beg you to pray to Me, and for whom I ask in addition your tears and sweat, in order that they may receive mercy from Me." I

CHAPTER XXX. How

this soul

wondering at the mercy of God, relates many and graces given to the human race.

gifts

THEN

this soul, as it were, like one intoxicated, could not contain herself, but, standing before the face of God, ex How great is the Eternal Mercy with which thou claimed, "

coverest the sins of

Thy

creatures

!

I

do not wonder that

sayest of those who abandon mortal sin and return to Thee, / do not remember that you have ever offended Me. Oh, ineffable Mercy I do not wonder that Thou sayest this

Thou

1

!

to those

who

are converted,

when Thou

sayest of those

who

wish you to pray for such, in order that persecute Thee, I may do them mercy. Oh, Mercy, who proceedest from Eternal the Father, Divinity Who governest with thy thy the whole world, by Thee were we created, in Thee power were we re-created in the Blood of Thy Son. Thy Mercy preserves us, Thy Mercy caused Thy Son to do battle for us, hanging by His arms on the wood of the Cross, life and death battling together ; then life confounded the death of our sin, and the death of our sin destroyed the bodily life of the Immaculate Lamb. Which was finally conquered ? what means Death ? By Mercy Thy Mercy gives light and life, by which Thy clemency is known in all Thy crea tures, both the just and the unjust. In the height of Heaven I

!

!

If I turn to the Mercy, shines that is, in Thy saints. it In abounds with Thy Mercy. the darkness of Hell earth, not receive the pains Thy Mercy shines, for the damned do they deserve ; with Thy Mercy Thou temperest Justice. By

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Mercy Thou hast washed us

Thou wishest

in

to converse with

Madman Was !

it

ST.

the Blood, and by

Thy

not enough for

CATHERINE Mercy

creatures.

Oh, Loving Thee to become Incarnate,

Thou must also die ? Was not death enough, that Thou must also descend into Limbo, taking thence the holy fathers to fulfil Thy Mercy and Thy Truth in them ? Because Thy goodness promises a reward to them that serve Thee in truth, didst Thou descend to Limbo, to with draw from their pain Thy servants, and give them the fruit of their labours. Thy Mercy constrains Thee to give even that

more

to

that we,

man, namely, to leave Thyself to him in food, so weak ones, should have comfort, and the ignorant

commemorating Thee, should not lose the memory of Thy benefits. Wherefore every day Thou givest Thyself to man, representing Thyself in the Sacrament of the Altar, in the body of Thy Holy Church. What has done this ? Thy Mercy. Oh, Divine Mercy My heart suffocates in thinking of thee, for on every side to which I turn my thought, I find nothing but mercy. Oh, Eternal Father Forgive my igno !

!

presume thus to chatter to Thee, but the love of Thy Mercy will be my excuse before the Face of Thy

rance, that

I

loving-kindness."

CHAPTER XXXI. who

pass by the river under the Bridge underneath, is called by God the tree of death, whose roots are held in four vices.

Of the baseness and how the

AFTER

this

of those

;

soul, that passes

soul had refreshed

a

little

her heart in the

mercy of God, by these words, she humbly waited for the fulfilment of the promise made to her, and God continuing daughter, thou hast spoken I gave it thee to taste because My mercy, and to see in the word which I spoke to thee when I said these are those for whom I pray you to intercede with Me/ but know, that My mercy is without any comparison, far

His discourse said:

before

Me

"Dearest

of

:

more than thou canst

see,

because thy sight

is

imperfect,


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and My mercy perfect and infinite, so that there can be no comparison between the two, except what may be between But I have wished that thou a finite and an infinite thing. shouldest taste this mercy, and also the dignity of man, which I have shown thee above, so that thou mightest know better the cruelty of those wicked men who travel below the Bridge. Open the eye of thy intellect, and wonder at those who voluntarily drown themselves, and at the baseness to which they are fallen by their fault, from

which cause, they have

first

when they conceived mortal then bring

it

become weak, and sin in their minds,

and lose the

forth,

life

this

was

for they

And, as a

of grace.

corpse which can have no feeling or movement of itself, but only when it is moved and lifted by others, so those, who

drowned in the stream of disordinate love of the world, Wherefore because they are dead their are dead to grace. memory takes no heed of My mercy. The eye of their

are

intellect

before

it

knows not

sees not and is

feeling

that

dead,

is,

their

My

Truth, because their has no object

intellect

but themselves, with the dead love of their

own

will because it sensuality, and so their will is dead to These three powers then loves nothing but dead things. being dead, all the soul s operations both in deed and

My

For the thought are dead as far as grace is concerned. soul cannot defend herself against her enemies, nor help herself through her own power, but only so far as she is helped by Me. corpse, in

whom

It is

true indeed, that every time that this

only free-will has remained,

(which remains

as long as the mortal body lives,) asks My help, he can have it, but never can he help himself; he has become in

supportable to himself, and, wishing to govern the world, is

which is not, that is by sin, for sin in governed by itself is nothing, and such men have become the servants I had made them trees of love with the and slaves of sin. life of grace which they received in Holy Baptism ; and they have become trees of death, because they are dead, as I have already said to thee. Dost thou know how this In the height of pride, which is tree finds such roots ? that

nourished by their

own

sensitive self-love.

Its

branch

is

[


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own impatience, and its off-shoot indiscretion these are the four principal vices which destroy the soul of him

their

who

:

is

grace.

a tree of death, because he has not drawn life from Inside the tree is nourished the worm of conscience,

which, while

man

and therefore

lives in mortal sin, is blinded

but

felt

little

;

by

self-love,

the fruits of this tree are

drawn their nourishment, which should have been humility, from the roots of pride, and the miser

mortal, for they have

able soul

is full

of ingratitude,

whence proceeds every

evil.

But if she were grateful for the benefits she has received, she would know Me, and knowing Me would know herself, and so would remain in My love but she, as if blind, goes groping down the river, and she does not see that the water does not support her." :

CHAPTER How

XXXII.

the fruits of this tree are as diverse as are the sins of the sin of sensuality.

"THE

fruits

of

sins are diverse.

of beasts

who

this death-giving tree,

See that some of these

;

and

are as diverse as fruits are the

using their body and their wallows in mud, for in the same

live impurely,

first,

food

mind

swine who way in the mire of sensuality. wallow Oh, ugly soul, they where hast thou left thy dignity ? Thou wast made sister To to the angels, and now thou art become a brute beast. such misery come sinners, notwithstanding that they are

like a

sustained by Me, who am Supreme Purity, notwithstanding that the very devils, whose friends and servants they have

become, cannot endure the sight of such filthy actions. Neither does any sin, abominable as it may be, take away the light of the intellect from man, so much as does this This the philosophers knew, not by the light of grace, one. because they had it not, but because nature gave them the light to know that this sin obscured the intellect, and for that reason

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Thus also they flung away their riches in better to study. order that the thought of them should not occupy their Not so does the ignorant and false Christian, who heart. has

lost grace

by

sin."

CHAPTER How the

fruit of

others

is

XXXIII.

avarice

;

from

and of the

evils that

proceed

it.

A FRUIT of the earth belongs to some others, who are covetous misers, acting like the mole, who always feeds on earth till death, and when they arrive at death they find no Such as these, with their meanness, despise My remedy. "

generosity, selling time to their neighbour. cruel usurers, and robbers of their neighbour

memory they have

They ;

are

because in

remembrance of My if had it would not be cruel to for they they mercy, themselves or to their neighbour ; on the contrary, they would be compassionate and merciful to themselves, practising the virtues on their neighbour and succouring him charitably. Oh, how many are the evils that come of this cursed sin of avarice, how many homicides and thefts, and how much pillage with unlawful gain, and It kills the soul and makes cruelty of heart and injustice

their

not

the

!

her the slave of riches, so that she cares not to observe

commandments. A miser loves no one except for his own profit. Avarice proceeds from and feeds pride, the one follows from the other, because the miser always carries with him the thought of his own reputation, and thus avarice, which is immediately combined with pride, full of its own opinions, goes on from It is a fire which always germinates the bad to worse. of smoke vainglory and vanity of heart, and boasting in that does which not belong to it. It is a root which has many branches, and the principal one is that which makes a man care for his own reputation, from whence proceeds his desire

My

"


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ST.

to be greater than his neighbour.

It

also brings forth the

nor liberal, but is double, making a man show one thing with his tongue, while he has another in his heart, and making him conceal the truth and deceitful heart that is neither pure

own

his

tell lies for

And

profit.

it

produces envy, which

worm

that is always gnawing, and does not let the miser have any happiness out of his own or others good. is

a

How

will these

wicked ones in so wretched a state give of

their substance to the poor, when they rob others ? out of the mire, will they draw their foul soul

How when

Sometimes even do they they themselves put it there ? become so brutish, that they do not consider their children and relations, and cause them to fall with them into great misery. do not

And, nevertheless,

in

My

mercy

I

sustain them,

I

command

the earth to swallow them up, that they may repent of their sins. Would they then give their life for the salvation of souls, when they will not give their sub

Would

stance ?

gnawed with envy heaven of the

made

they give their affections when they are ? Oh, miserable vices that destroy the

Heaven

soul.

I call

her (the soul) because

by grace, and hiding and making of her a mansion through affection of love. Now she has separated herself from Me, like an adulteress, loving herself, and creatures more than Me, and has made a god of herself, persecuting Me with many and diverse sins. And this she does because she does not consider the benefit of the Blood that was shed so

I

her, living in

Myself within

her at

first

her,

with so great Fire of

Love."

CHAPTER XXXIV. How some "

THERE

others hold positions of authority, and bring forth fruits of injustice.

are others

who

position of authority, and

hold their heads high by their bear the banner of injustice

who

using injustice against Me, God, and against their neigh-


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to themselves by not pay hour, and against themselves ing the debt of virtue, and towards Me by not paying

the debt of honour in glorifying and praising My Name, But they, like debt they are bound to pay. thieves, steal what is Mine, and give it to the service of

which

own sensuality. So that they commit injustice towards and towards themselves, like blind and ignorant men who do not recognise Me in themselves on account of selflove, like the Jews and the ministers of the Law who, with envy and self-love, blinded themselves so that they did not recognise the Truth, My only-begotten Son, and rendered not His due to the Eternal Truth, who was amongst them, The Kingdom of God is among you? as said My Truth But they knew it not, because, in the aforesaid way, they had lost the light of reason, and so they did not pay their debt of honour and glory to Me, and to Him, who was one thing with Me, and like blind ones committed injustice, per secuting Him with much ignominy, even to the death of the their

Me

:

Cross. "Thus are such as these unjust to themselves, to Me, and to their neighbour, unjustly selling the flesh of their dependants, and of any person who falls into their hands."

CHAPTER XXXV. How

through these and through other defects, one falls into false judgment and of the indignity to which one comes. ;

"

BY

as

I

these and by other sins will explain to you below.

men fall into false judgment, They are continually being

scandalised by My works, which are all just, and all per With this false formed in truth through love and mercy. and pride, the works judgment, and with the poison of envy

of lies

My

Son were slandered and unjustly judged, and with

did

His

of Beelzebub.

enemies 1

say

:

This

man

works

Thus wicked men, standing

in

by virtue self-love,

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perverse rashness with impatience, are for ever scandalised Me and at My servants, whom they judge to be feignedly

at

practising the virtues, because their heart

is

rotten, and,

having spoilt their taste, good things seem evil to them, and bad things, that is to say disorderly living, seem good to them. Oh, how blind is the human generation in that it considers not its own dignity From being great thou hast become small, from a ruler thou hast become a slave, and that in the vilest service that can be had, because 1

thou art the servant and slave of

sin,

and

art

become

like

unto that which thou dost serve. Sin is nothing. Thou, then, hast become nothing; it has This life and deprived thee of life, and given thee death. "

power were given you by the Word, My only-begotten Son, the glorious Bridge, He drawing you from out of your servitude when you were servants of the devil, Himself becoming as a servant to take you out of servitude, imposing on Himself obedience to do away the disobedience of Adam, and humbling Himself to the shameful death of the Cross to confound pride. By His death He destroyed every vice, so that no one could say that any vice remained that was not punished and beaten out with pains, as I said to thee above, when I said that of His Body He had made an anvil. All the remedies are ready to save men from eternal death, and they despise the Blood, and have trampled It under the feet of their disordinate affection

and

false

judgment

;

and

it is

for this injustice and will be

that the world is reproved,

reproved on the Last

Day

of Judgment.

was meant by My Truth when He said: / will send the Paraclete, who will reprove the world for injustice and And it was reproved when I sent the Holy false judgment^ 4

"This

Spirit

on the

Apostles."


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CHAPTER XXXVI. Of the words

that Christ said

:

"/

will send the

Holy

reprove the world of injustice and of false judgment of these reproofs is continuous.

who will and how one

Spirit, "

;

One was given when the reproofs. came upon the disciples, who, as it is said, being fortified by My power, and illuminated by the wisdom "

THERE

Holy

of

My

Holy

are three

Spirit

beloved Son, received all in the plenitude of the Then the Holy Spirit, who is one thing

Spirit.

Me and with My Son, reproved the world by the mouth of the Apostles, with the doctrine of My Truth. They and all others, who are descended from them, following the truth with

which they understand through the same means, reprove the world. "

This

is

that continuous reproof that

I

make

to the

world

by means of the Holy Scriptures, and My servants, putting the Holy Spirit on their tongues to announce My truth, even as the Devil puts himself on the tongues of his is to say, of those who pass through the river This is that sweet reproof that I have fixed in iniquity. servants, that

for ever, in the aforesaid

way, out of

My most

great affection

And

they cannot say I had no one who reproved me, because the truth is revealed And I have made to them showing them vice and virtue. them see the fruit of virtue, and the hurtfulness of vice, to give them love and holy fear with hatred of vice and love of virtue, and this truth has not been shown them by an of love for the salvation of souls.

angel, so that they cannot say,

who cannot offend, and feels not as we do, neither the heaviness Incarnate

Word

of

My

the angel is a blessed spirit the vexations of the flesh

of our body, because the Truth has been given to them with

your mortal flesh. 11 Who were the others who followed

this

Word

?

Mortal

creatures, susceptible of pain like you, having the same opposition of the flesh to the Spirit, as had the glorious Paul, My standard bearer, and many other saints who, by


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have

ST.

CATHERINE

been

Which

one thing

or

torments

permitted for the increase of grace and virtue in

I

another,

tormented.

Thus, they were born in sin like you, and nourished with a like food, and I am God now as then. My power is not weakened and cannot become weak. So that I can and will succour him who wishes to be succoured Man wants My succour when he comes out of the by Me. and walks by the Bridge, following the doctrine of river, Thus no one has any excuse, because both Truth. My

their souls.

reproof and truth are constantly given to them. Wherefore, if they do not amend while they have time, they will be condemned by the second condemnation which will take place at the extremity of death,

when

My

Justice will

cry

That is to Rise, ye dead and come to judgment reached the and hast dead to who art grace, Thou, say, moment of thy corporal death, arise and come before the Supreme Judge with thy injustice and false judgment, and with the extinguished light of faith which thou didst receive burning in Holy Baptism (and which thou hast blown out with the wind of pride), and with the vanity of thy heart, with which thou didst set thy sails to winds which were to them,

!

*

contrary to thy salvation, for with the wind of self-esteem, Thus didst thou hasten didst thou fill the sail of self-love.

down

the stream of the delights and dignities of the world at thy own will, following thy fragile flesh and the tempta tions of the devil, who, with the sail of thy own will set, has led thee along the underway which is a running stream,

and so has brought thee with himself

to eternal damnation."

CHAPTER XXXVII. Of the second reproof

of injustice,

and of false judgment,

in

general and in particular. 11

THIS second reproof, dearest daughter,

is indeed a con has at the arrived demnation, end, where there can be no remedy, for she is at the extremity of death,

for the soul


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is

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worm

blinded self-love.

85

of conscience, which I told thee was the time of death, since she cannot

Now at

My hands, she begins to see, and therefore is with remorse, seeing that her own sin has brought gnawed But if the soul have light to know her into so great evil. get out of

on account of the pain of Hell but on of pain at her offence account upon it, Who am and Eternal against Me, Supreme Good, still she can find mercy. But if she pass the Bridge of death

and grieve

for her fault, not

that follows

without light, and alone, with the worm of conscience, without the hope of the Blood, and bewailing herself more on account of her first condemnation than on account of

My

displeasure, she

arrives

at

eternal

damnation.

And

Justice of injustice and

reproved cruelly by My of false judgment, and not so much of general injustice and false judgment which she has practised generally in all her then she

is

works, but

much more on account of

the particular injustice

judgment which she practises at the end, in judging her misery greater than My mercy. This is that sin which is neither pardoned here nor there, because the soul would not be pardoned, depreciating My mercy. Therefore is this

and

false

last sin graver to

Me

than

all

the other sins that the soul

Wherefore the despair of Judas dis pleased Me more, and was more grave to My Son than was his betrayal of Him. So that they are reproved of this false judgment, which is to have held their sin to be greater than My mercy, and, on that account, are they punished with the devils, and eternally tortured with them. And they are reproved of injustice because they grieve more over their condemnation than over My displeasure, and do not render to Me that which is Mine, and to themselves that which is theirs. For to Me, they ought to render love and to themselves, bitterness, with contrition of heart, and offer it to Me, for the offence they have done Me. And they do the contrary because they give to themselves love, pitying themselves, and grieving on account of the pain they has

committed.

so thou seest that they are guilty of ; judgment, and are punished for the one and the other together. Wherefore, they, having depre-

expect for their sin injustice

and

false


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My

ST.

CATHERINE

with justice send them, with their cruel servant, sensuality, and the cruel tyrant the Devil, whose servants they made themselves through their own sensuality, ciated

I

mercy,

so that, together, they are punished and tormented, as together they have offended Me. Tormented, I say, by My ministering devils whom My judgment torment those who have done evil."

CHAPTER

has appointed to

XXXVIII.

Of the all

four principal torments of the damned, from which follow the others ; and particularly of the foulness of the Devil.

MY daughter, the tongue is not sufficient to narrate the As there are three principal vices, pain of these poor souls. namely self-love, whence proceeds the second, that is "

:

whence proceeds the third, that is pride, with injustice and cruelty, and with other filthiness and love of reputation,

So I say to thee, iniquitous sins, that follow upon these. that in Hell, the souls have four principal torments, out of which proceed all the other torments. The first is, that they see themselves deprived of the vision of Me, which such pain to them, that, were it possible, they would rather choose the fire, and the tortures and torments,

is

and

Me, than to be without the torments and not Me. This first pain revives in them, then, the second, the worm of Conscience, which gnaws unceasingly, seeing that the soul is deprived of Me, and of the conversation of the to see

to see "

made worthy of the conversation which vision of the Devil is the third pain and redoubles to them their every toil. As the saints exult in the sight of Me, refreshing themselves with joyousness in the fruit of their toils borne for Me with such abundance of love, and displeasure of themselves, so does the sight of the Devil revive these wretched ones to tor ments, because in seeing him they know themselves more, angels, through her sin, and sight of the devils,


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that is to say, they know that, by their own sin, they have made themselves worthy of him. And so the worm of Conscience gnaws more and more, and the fire of this

Conscience never ceases to burn. And the sight is more painful to them, because they see him in his own form,

man could not imagine thou remember well, thou knowest that I showed him to thee in his own form for a little space of time, hardly which

so horrible that the heart of

is

And

it.

if

a moment, and thou didst choose (after thou hadst returned to thyself) rather to walk on a road of fire, even until the of Judgment, than to see him again. With all this that thou hast seen, even thou dost not know well how horrible he is, because, by Divine justice, he appears more horrible

Day

Me, and more or less accord fourth torment that they have is the fire. This fire burns and does not consume, for the being of the soul cannot be consumed, because it is not a material thing that fire can consume. But I, by Divine justice, have permitted the fire to burn them with torments, so that it torments them, without consuming them, with the to the soul that is deprived of ing to the gravity of her sin.

The

greatest pains in diverse

ways according to the diversity of their sins, to some more, and to some less, according to the Out of these four torments issue all gravity of their fault.

others, such as cold and heat and gnashing of the teeth and many others. Now because they did not amend them

the first reproof that they had of injustice judgment, neither in the second, which was that, in death, they would not hope in Me, nor grieve for the offence done to Me, but only for their own pain, have they thus so miserably received Eternal Punishment." selves after

and

false

CHAPTER XXXIX. Of the "

Now

third reproof

it

remains

on the Last

Day

which to

is

tell

made on the Day

of Judgment.

of the third reproof which is Already I have told thee

of Judgment.


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of two, and now, so that thou mayest see how greatly man of the deceives himself, I will tell thee of the third

General Judgment, when the pain of the miserable soul is renewed and increased by the union that the soul will make with the body, with an intolerable reproof, which will Know that, in the generate in it confusion and shame. Last Day of Judgment, when will come the Word My Son, with My Divine Majesty to reprove the world with Divine Power, He will not come like a poor one, as when

He was born, coming in the womb of the Virgin, and being born in a stable amongst the animals, and then dying between two thieves. Then I concealed My power in Him, letting

Him

suffer pain

divine nature

but

I

was

and torment

man, not that

human

him suffer like man to satisfy for your come thus in that last moment, but He

let

will not

like

therefore separated from

My

nature,

guilt.

He

will

come, with power, to reprove in His Own Person, and will render to every one his due, and there will be no one in that Day

To the miserable ones who are tremble. His will cause such torment and terror that damned, aspect the tongue cannot describe it. To the just it will cause the fear of reverence with great joy not that His face changes, because He is unchangeable, being one thing with Me who

will not

;

according to the divine nature, and, according to the human nature, His face was unchangeable, after it took the glory of the Resurrection.

appear such, on

But, to the eye of the damned, it will of their terrible and darkened

account

vision, that, as the sun which is so bright, appears all darkness to the infirm eye, but to the healthy eye light, (and it is not the defect of the light that makes it appear other to the blind than to the illuminated one, but the defect of the eye which is infirm), so will the condemned ones see His countenance in darkness, in confusion and in hatred, not through defect of My Divine Majesty, with which He will come to judge the world, but through their

own

defect."


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damned cannot

desire

any good.

"AND their hatred is so great that they cannot will or desire any good, but they continually blaspheme Me. And dost thou know why they cannot desire good ? Because

the life of man ended, free-will is bound. Wherefore they cannot merit, having lost, as they have, the time to do so. If they finish their life, dying in hatred with the guilt of

mortal sin, their souls, by divine justice, remain for ever bound with the bonds of hatred, and for ever obstinate in that evil, in which, therefore, being gnawed by themselves, their pains always increase, especially the pains of those who have been the cause of damnation to others, as that rich man, who was damned, demonstrated to you when he

begged the favour that Lazarus might go to his brothers, in the world, to tell them of his pains. This, certainly, he did not do out of love or compassion for his brothers, for he was deprived of love and could not desire good, either for My honour or their salvation, because, as I have already told thee, the damned souls cannot do any good to their neighbour, and they blaspheme Me, because their life ended in hatred of Me and of virtue. But why then did he do it ? He did it because he was the eldest, and had nourished them up in the same miseries in which he had lived, so that he was the cause of their damnation, and he saw pain increased to himself, on account of their damnation when they should arrive in torment

who were

together with him, to be

gnawed

in hatred they finished their

CHAPTER Of the "

by hatred, because

XLI.

glory of the Blessed.

SIMILARLY, the just soul, for

tion of charity

for ever

lives."

whom

life

finishes in the affec

and the bonds of love, cannot increase

in virtue,


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time having come to nought, but she can always love with which she comes to Me, and that measure

that affection with

She always desires Me, and loves and her desire in vain is not Me, being hungry, she is and she has satisfied, being satisfied, hunger, but the tediousness of satiety and the pain of hunger are far from that is measured to her.

her.

In love, the Blessed rejoice in

cipating

in

that

that

good

I

My eternal vision, parti

have

every one measure of measured to them.

in Myself,

according to his measure, that is that, with that

which they have come to Me, is it Because they have lived in love of Me and of the neighbour, united together with the general love, and the particular, And which, moreover both proceed from the same love. and in each other s with exult, participating they rejoice good love, with

the affection of love, besides the universal good that they And they rejoice and exult with the enjoy altogether.

angels with whom they are placed, according to their diverse and various virtues in the world, being all bound in the bonds of love. And they have a special participation

with those

whom

they closely loved with particular affection

which affection they grew in grace, and the one was the occasion to the other increasing virtue, of manifesting the glory and praise of My name, in them selves and in their neighbour ; and, in the life everlasting, they have not lost their love, but have it still, participating closely, with more abundance, the one with the other, their love being added to the universal good, and I would not that thou shouldest think that they have this particular good, of which I have told thee, for themselves alone, for it

in

the world, with

is

not so, but

beloved

it

arrives at eternal soul,

is

sons, and

the proved citizens, My the soul for, when angels

shared by all

the

all

participate in the good of that their good. Not that her vessel or

life, all

and the soul

in

theirs can increase, nor that there be

need to

fill it,

because

full, but they have an exultation, a mirth fulness, a jubilee, a joyousness in themselves, which is refreshed by it

is

the knowledge that they have found in that soul. They see that, by My mercy, she is raised from the earth with

the plenitude of grace, and therefore they exult in

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in


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the good of that soul, which good she has received through

My "

goodness.

And

that soul rejoices in Me,

and

in the souls,

and

in

the blessed spirits, seeing and tasting in them the beauty And their desires for ever and the sweetness of My love.

And cry out to Me, for the salvation of the whole world. because their life ended in the love of the neighbour, they have not left it behind, but, with it, they will pass through

My

the Door,

relate to thee.

only-begotten Son in the way that I will So thou seest that in those bonds of love

their life, they go on and remain conformed so entirely to My will, that they cannot desire except what I desire, because their free-will is bound in the bond of love, in such a way that, time failing them, and, dying in a state of grace, they cannot

in

which they finished

any more.

sin

are

They

eternally.

And

their will is so united with Mine,

that

a father or a mother seeing their son, or a son seeing his father or his mother in Hell, do not trouble themselves, and even are contented to see them punished as My enemies.

nothing do they disagree with Me, and their satisfied. The desire of the blessed is to honour in you wayfarers, who are pilgrims, for ever

Wherefore

in

desires are

all

see

My

In their desire for running on towards the term of death. desire and honour, they your salvation, always pray to My Me for you, which desire is fulfilled by Me, when you ignorant ones do not resist My mercy. They have a desire the of their to but this desire does regain gifts too, body, not

afflict

rejoice in

them, as they do not actually feel it, but they tasting the desire, from the certainty they feel of

Their desire does not afflict them, because, though they have it not yet fulfilled, no bliss is Wherefore they feel not the pain thereby lacking to them. having

it

of desire.

fulfilled.

And

think not, that the bliss of the body after

the resurrection gives more bliss to the soul, for, if this were so, it would follow that, until they had the body, they

had imperfect

bliss,

lacking to them.

which cannot

So

be,

because no perfection

not the body that gives bliss to the soul, but the soul will give bliss to the body, because the soul will give of her abundance, and will re-clothe heris

it is


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on the Last Day of Judgment, in the garments of her flesh which she had quitted. For, as the soul is made in and stablished immortal, stayed Me, so the body in that union becomes immortal, and, having lost heaviness, is made fine and light. Wherefore, know that the glorified body can pass through a wall, and that neither water nor fire can injure it, not by virtue of itself, but by virtue of the soul, which virtue is of Me, given to her by grace, and by the ineffable love with which I created her in My image and likeness. self

own

The eye

of thy intellect

is

not sufficient to see, nor thy ear good of the Blessed.

to hear, nor thy tongue to tell of the

Oh, how much delight they have in seeing Me, Who am every good Oh, how much delight they will have in being with !

the glorified body, though, not having that delight from now to the general Judgment, they have not, on that account, pain, because no bliss is lacking to them, the soul

being satisfied in herself, and, as

I

have told

thee, the

body

will participate in this bliss. I told thee of the happiness which the glorified body would take in the glorified humanity of My only-begotten Son, which gives you assurance of your resurrection. There, they exult in His wounds, which have remained fresh, and the Scars in His Body are preserved, and continually cry for mercy for you, to Me, the Supreme and Eternal Father. And they are all conformed with Him, in joyousness and mirth, and you will all be conformed with Him, eye with eye, and hand with hand, and with the whole Body of the sweet "

Word My Son, and, dwelling in Me, you will dwell in Him, But their bodily eye, because He is one thing with Me. as

I

told thee, will delight itself in

of the

Word,

My

only-begotten

their life finished in the affection of will this delight

endure

for

them

the glorified humanity so ? Because

Son.

My

Why

and therefore Not that they

love,

eternally.

can work any good, but they rejoice and delight in that good which they have brought with them, that is, they cannot do any meritorious act, by which they could merit anything, because in this life alone can they merit and sin, according as they please, with free-will. "

These then do not

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but with joy, and the Face of My Son will not seem to them terrible, or full of hatred, because they finished their lives in love and affection for Me, and good-will

towards their neighbour. So thou seest then, that the transformation is not in His Face, when He comes to judge with

Divine Majesty, but in the vision of those who will be To the damned He will appear with hatred

My

judged by Him. and with justice.

And

to the saved with love

CHAPTER How,

after the

mercy."

XLII.

General Judgment, the pain of the

damned

HAVE

and

will increase.

told thee of the dignity of the

Righteous, so that thou mayest the better know the misery of the damned. For this is another of their pains, namely, the vision of the bliss of the righteous, which is to them an increase of pain, as, "

I

to the righteous, the

damnation of the damned

is

an

in

As light is seen goodness. better near darkness, and darkness near light, so the sight With pain they await of the Blessed increases their pain. the Last Day of Judgment, because they see, following it, an

crease of exultation

in

My

increase of pain to themselves. And so will it be, because when that terrible voice shall say to them, Arise, ye dead,

and come

to judgment/ the soul will return with the body, in the just to be glorified, and in the damned to be And the aspect of My Truth, and of tortured eternally. all the blessed ones will reproach them greatly, and make

them ashamed, and the worm of conscience will gnaw the pith of the tree, that is the soul, and also the bark out side, which is the body. They will be reproached by the Blood that was shed for them, and by the works of mercy, spiritual and temporal, which I did for them by means of My Son, and which they should have done for their neigh is contained in the Holy Gospel. They will be reproved for their cruelty towards their neighbour, for their

bour, as

pride and self-love, for their filthiness

and avarice

;

and


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when they

see the mercy that they have received from Me, their reproof will seem to be intensified in harshness.

At the time of death, the soul only is reproved, but, at the General Judgment, the soul is reproved together with the body, because the body has been the companion and to do good and evil according as instrument of the soul the free-will pleased. the body.

by means of

Every work, good or bad, is done And, therefore, justly, My daughter,

glory and infinite good are rendered to their glorified body, rewarding for Me, together with the soul.

My

elect

ones with

them

for the toils they bore And to the perverse ones

be rendered eternal pains by means of their bod}-, because their body was the instrument of evil. Wherefore,

will

being their body, increase

at

the

restored,

aspect

their

My

of

pains

Son,

will

their

revive

and

miserable

sensuality with its filthiness, in the vision of their nature, is, the humanity of Christ) united with the purity of My Deity, and of this mass of their Adam nature raised

(that

above

own see

who

all

fault,

the choirs of Angels, and themselves, by their sunk into the depths of Hell. And they will

generosity and mercy shining in the blessed ones, receive the fruit of the Blood of the Lamb, the pains that

they have borne remaining as ornaments on their bodies, like the dye upon the cloth, not by virtue of the body but only out of the fulness of the soul, representing in the body the fruit of its labour, because it was the companion

As in the mirror is of the soul in the working of virtue. represented the face of the man, so in the body is repre sented the fruit of bodily toils, in the way that I have told thee. "The pain and confusion of the darkened ones, on seeing so great a dignity (of which they are deprived), will increase, and in their bodies will appear the sign of the wickedness

they have committed, with pain and torture. Go cursed ones, hear that terrible speech, t

And when to

the

they Eternal

Fire] the soul and the body will go to be with the Devil each one being wrapped up without any remedy or hope in diverse filth of earth, according to his evil works. The miser with the filth of avarice, wrapping himself up with


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the worldly substance which he loved disordinately, and burning in the fire ; the cruel one with cruelty ; the foul man with foulness and miserable concupiscence ; the un

and just with his injustice ; the envious with envy ; And inordinate the hater of his neighbour with hatred.

whence were born

self-love,

all

their

ills,

will

be

burnt

with intolerable pain, as the head and principle of every in company with pride. So that body and soul evil,

Thus miserably together will be punished in diverse ways. arrive do they at their end who go by the lower way, that turning back to see their sins and My they arrive at the Gate of the Lie, because they follow the doctrine of the Devil, who is the Father of Lies ; and this Devil is their Door, through which they go

by the

is,

to

My

river, not

And

Mercy.

Eternal Damnation, as has been said, as the elect and sons, keeping by the way above, that is by the Bridge,

follow the

Way of Truth, and My Truth, No

therefore said

by Me.

1

He

is

this Truth is the Door, and one can go to the Father but the Door and the Way through Which

It is the contrary they pass to enter the Sea Pacific. for those who have kept the Way of the Lie, which leads them to the water of death. And it is to this that the

Devil calls them, and they are as blind and mad, and do not perceive it, because they have lost the light of faith. The Devil says, as it were, to them Whosoever thirsts for :

the water of death,

let

him come and

CHAPTER Of

I

will give

it

to him.

"

XLIII.

the use of temptations, and how every soul in her extremity sees her final place either of pain or of glory, before she is sepa rated from the body.

THE

dearest daughter, is the instrument of My torment the souls who have miserably offended Me. And I have set him in this life to tempt and molest My creatures, not for My creatures to be conquered, but

"

Devil,

Justice to


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may conquer, proving their virtue, and receive And no one should fear any the glory of victory. battle or temptation of the Devil that may come to him,

that they

from

Me

because I have made My creatures strong, and have given them strength of will, fortified in the Blood of my Son, which will, neither Devil nor creature can move, because it yours, given by Me. You therefore, with free arbitration, It is an it or leave it, according as you please. arm, which, if you place it in the hands of the Devil,

is

can hold

straightway becomes a knife, with which he strikes you and But if man do not give this knife of his will slays you. into the hands of the Devil, that is, if he do not consent to his temptations and molestations, he will never be in jured by the guilt of sin in any temptation, but will even be fortified by it, when the eye of his intellect is opened to

see

My

love which allowed him to be tempted, so as to arrive For one does not arrive at by being proved.

at virtue,

virtue except through knowledge of

Me, which

self,

and knowledge of

more

perfectly acquired in the time of temptation, because then man knows himself to be nothing,being unable to lift off himself the pains and vexations

knowledge

which he would

flee

;

is

and he knows

Me

in his will,

which

goodness, so that it does not yield to And he has seen that My love permits these thoughts. these temptations, for the devil is weak, and by himself And I let him tempt, can do nothing, unless I allow him. is fortified

by

My

through love, and not through hatred, that you may con quer, and not that you may be conquered, and that you

may come to a perfect knowledge of yourself, and of Me, and that virtue may be proved, for it is not proved except Thou seest, then, that he is My minister by its contrary. to torture the damned in Hell, and in this life, to exercise Not that it is the intention and prove virtue in the soul. of the Devil to prove virtue in you (for he has not love), but rather to deprive you of it, and this he cannot do, if

you do not wish foolishness of

it.

men

Now thou in

seest, then,

how great

making themselves

feeble,

is

the

when

I

have made them strong, and in putting themselves into the hands of the Devil. Wherefore, know, that at the moment


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of death, they, having passed their life under the lordship of the Devil (not that they were forced to do so, for as I told you they cannot be forced, but they voluntarily put

themselves into his hands), and, arriving at the extremity of their death under this perverse lordship, they await no other

judgment than that of despairingly, come to

their

own

conscience, and desperately,

eternal damnation.

them

Wherefore

Hell,

the extremity of through up and before take hold of it, by death, they get there, they means of their lord the Devil. As the righteous, who have their hate, surges

lived

in

fectly in

to

in

charity and died in love, if they have lived per virtue, illuminated with the light of faith, with

hope in the Blood of the Lamb, when the extremity of death comes, see the good which I have prepared for them, and embrace it with the arms of love, holding fast with pressure of love to Me, the Supreme and Eternal Good.

perfect

And

so they taste eternal life before they have left the mortal body, that is, before the soul be separated from the

body.

Others

arrived

at

who have passed

and have an ordinary charity, (not in that great perfection), embrace My mercy with the same light of faith and hope that had those perfect ones, but, in them, it is imperfect, for, because they were imperfect, they constrained

greater than their sins. trary, for,

their

lives,

the last extremity of death with

My

mercy, counting My mercy sinners do the con

The wicked

seeing, with desperation, their destination,

they

embrace it with hatred, as I told thee. So that neither the one nor the other waits for judgment, but, in departing this life, they receive every one their place, as I have told thee, and they taste it and possess it before they depart from the the damned with hatred body, at the extremity of death and with despair, and the perfect ones with love and the light

of faith and with the hope of the Blood.

And

the

imperfect arrive at the place of Purgatory, with mercy and the same faith."


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XLIV.

How

the Devil gets hold of souls, under pretence of some good and, those are deceived who keep by the river, and not by the aforesaid Bridge, for, wishing to fly pains, they fall into them and of the vision of a tree, that this soul once had. :

how

;

41

I

HAVE

told thee that the Devil invites

men

to the

water of

which he

has, and, blinding them with is, and of conditions the world, he catches them the pleasures of under hook the pretence of good, the with pleasure, could he no other catch in because them, for they would way to be if themselves allow not caught they saw that no good or to be obtained thereby. For the to themselves were pleasure to that

death, that

from her nature, always relishes good, though it is true that the soul, blinded by self-love, does not know and dis cern what is true good, and of profit to the soul and to the

soul,

body.

And,

therefore, the Devil, seeing

them blinded by

self-love, iniquitously places before them diverse and various delights, coloured so as to have the appearance of some bene

and he gives to every one according to his con and those dition principal vices to which he sees him to be one kind to the secular, of another to of most disposed others to prelates and noblemen, accord and the religious, I have told thee this, different to their conditions. ing to thee of I those now who drown themselves because speak care for and who in the river, nothing but themselves, to love themselves to My injury, and I will relate to thee their end. 41 Now I want to show thee how they deceive themselves, and how, wishing to flee troubles, they fall into them. For, because it seems to them that following Me, that is, walking fit

or good

;

by the way of the Bridge, the Word, My Son, is great toil, they draw back, fearing the thorn. This is because they are blinded and do not

know

or see the Truth, as, thou knowest,

thy life, when thou didst have mercy on the world, and draw it out of the darkness of mortal sin. Thou knowest that I then showed thee Myself under the figure of a Tree, of I

showed

pray

Me

thee in the beginning of

to


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which thou sawest neither the beginning nor the end, so that thou didst not see that the roots were united with the

At the foot of the Tree, if thou earth of your humanity. rememberest well, there was a certain thorn, from which all

away,

and

didst

who

those

thorn

ran

to a

to

figure

love

own

the

delights

to be of corn

and was

thyself

That Lolla seemed

their

mountain of Lolla, all

sensuality in

which

of

kept thou

the world.

not, and, there souls thereon died of hunger, many and many, recognising the deceits of the world, returned to the Tree and passed the thorn, which is the deliberation of fore, as thou didst see,

Which

the will.

which appears the Truth.

to

And

deliberation, before it is made, is a thorn man to stand in the way of following

conscience always fights on one side, and but as soon as he, with hatred and

sensuality on the other

;

displeasure of himself, manfully makes up his mind, saying, 1 1 wish to follow Christ crucified, he breaks at once the thorn, then,

and finds inestimable sweetness, as I showed thee some finding more and some less, according to their

And thou knowest that then I said to am thee, your God, unmoving and unchangeable/ and I do not draw away from any creature who wants to come to Me. disposition and desire. I

have shown them the Truth, making Myself visible to them, and I have shown them what it is to love anything without Me. But they, as if blinded by the fog of disordinate love, know neither Me nor themselves. Thou seest I

how

deceived they are, choosing rather to die of hunger little thorn. And they cannot escape endur

than to pass a

ing pain, for no one can pass through this life without a Not cross, far less those who travel by the lower way. that ated.

My

servants pass without pain, but their pain is allevi because by sin, as I said to thee above the

And

world germinates thorns and tribulations, and because this river flows with tempestuous waters, I gave you the Bridge, so that you might not be drowned. 1 have shown thee how they are deceived by a dis"

Who

ordinate fear, and how I am your God, immovable, am not an Acceptor of persons but of holy desire. And this I

have shown thee under the figure of the Tree, as

I

told

thee."


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CHAPTER XLV. How, the world having germinated thorns, who those are whom although no one passes .this life without they do not harm ;

pain.

Now

to whom the thorns and tribula world germinated through sin, do harm, and to whom they do not. And as, so far, I have shown thee the damnation of sinners, together with My goodness, and have "

I

want to show thee

tions, that the

told thee

now

I

how

wish to

they are deceived by their own sensuality, thee how it is only they themselves who

tell

No one born passes this life are injured by the thorns. without pain, bodily or mental. Bodily pain My servants bear, but their

minds are

weariness of the pain

free, that is,

they do not

feel the

for their will is accorded with Mine, is the will that gives trouble to man. Pain of mind ;

and it and of body have those, of whom I have narrated to thee, who, in this life, taste the earnest money of hell, as My servants taste the earnest

thou what

money

of eternal

life.

Knowest

It special good of the blessed ones ? is having their desire filled with what they desire ; where fore desiring Me, they have Me, and taste Me without

any was

is

revolt, for

the

they have

left

the burden of the body, which

a law that opposed the spirit, and came between it and the perfect knowledge of the Truth, preventing it from seeing Me face to face. But after the soul has left the weight of

the body, her desire

desiring to see Me, she sees

is full, for,

and seeing she knows, and and loving she tastes Me, Supreme and Eternal Good, and, in tasting Me, she is satisfied, and her desire is fulfilled, that is, the desire she had to see and know Me; wherefore desiring she has, and having she And as I told thee pain is far from the desire, desires. and weariness from the satisfaction of it. So thou seest that My servants are blessed principally in seeing and in knowing Me, in which vision and knowledge their will is fulfilled, for they have that which they desired to have, and Me,

in

which vision

knowing she

loves,

is

her bliss

;


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Wherefore I told thee that the so are they satisfied. tasting of eternal life consisted especially in having that will desires, and thus being satisfied ; but know that the will is satisfied in seeing and knowing Me, as I have

which the told thee.

of eternal

life then, they taste the earnest money tasting the above, with which I have told

In this life,

thee they will be satisfied. But how have they the earnest

money in this present reply to thee, they have it in seeing My goodness in themselves, and in the knowledge of My Truth, which knowledge, the intellect (which is the eye of the soul) illu "

life ?

I

This eye has the pupil of the minated in Me, possesses. most holy faith, which light of faith enables the soul to

know, and to follow the way and the doctrine of Truth the Word Incarnate ; and without this pupil of faith she would not see, except as a man who has the form

discern, to

My

of the eye, but who has covered the pupil (which causes the So the pupil of the intellect is eye to see) with a cloth.

and if the soul has covered it with the cloth of infi delity, drawn over it by self-love, she does not see, but only has the form of the eye without the light, because she has Thus thou seest, that in seeing they know, and hidden it. in knowing they love, and in loving they deny and lose Their own will lost, they clothe themselves their self-will. in Mine, and I will nothing but your sanctification. At once they set to, turning their back to the way below, and begin to ascend by the Bridge, and pass over the thorns, which do not hurt them, their feet being shod with the affection of My love. For I told thee that My seivants

faith,

suffered corporally but not mentally, because the sensitive

which gives pain and afflicts the mind of the creature, Wherefore, the will not being there, neither is there any pain. They bear everything with reverence, themselves favoured in having tribulation for My deeming and desire If I allow sake, they nothing but what I desire.

will, is

dead.

the Devil to trouble them, permitting temptations to prove them in virtue, as I told thee above, they resist with

Me, humiliating themselves, and deem themselves ing unworthy of peace and quiet of mind and

their will fortified in


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deserving of pain, and so they proceed with cheerfulness and And if tribula self-knowledge, without painful affliction.

on man s account, or infirmity, or poverty, or change of worldly condition, or loss of children, or of other much loved creatures (all of which are thorns that the earth pro tions

duced after sin) come upon them, they endure them all with the light of reason and holy faith, looking to Me, am cannot desire other than good, the Supreme Good, and

Who

Who

for

which

I

permit these tribulations through love, and not

Me recognise this, and, see their examining themselves, they sins, and understand of that must the be rewarded and evil faith, light good by through hatred.

And they

that love

And they see that every little sin merits infinite punished. because it is against Me, Who am Infinite Good, pain, wherefore they deem themselves favoured because I wish to punish them in this life, and in this finite time ; they drive

away

sin with contrition of heart,

do they

merit,

and

and with perfect patience rewarded with infinite

their labours are

Hereafter they know that all labour in this life is account of the shortness of time. Time is as the on small, more needle and no when of a time has passed and, point good.

;

labour small.

ended, therefore thou seest that the labour is They endure with patience, and the thorns they

is

pass through do not touch their heart, because their heart drawn out of them and united to Me by the affection of

is

a good truth then that these do taste eternal receiving the earnest money of it in this life, and that,

love. life,

It is

though they walk on thorns, they are not pricked, because as I told thee, they have known My Supreme Goodness, and sought for it where it was to be found, that is in the Word,

My

only begotten

Son."


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evils

105

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which proceed from the blindness of the intellect and not done in a state of grace are not profitable ;

how good works for eternal "

HAVE

I

how

life.

told thee this, so that thou shouldest

these, of

whose delusion

I

know

well

have been speaking to thee,

Hell. Now I will tell thee whence and how they receive that earnest They are deluded in that they have blinded the

taste the earnest

money of

proceeds their delusion,

money. eye of

their intellect with

infidelity, arising

from

self-love,

acquired by the light of Faith, so kind of lying deceit. I speak is every acquired by infidelity of the infidelity of those who have received holy baptism,

because, as every truth

is

through which the pupil of Faith was placed in the eye of their intellect, and as the result of which, on arriving at the age of discretion, if they have exercised themselves rightly in virtue, they

have preserved the

light of Faith.

Where

fore they give birth to living virtues, bringing forth fruit by means of their neighbour, like a woman, who, bringing forth alive, brings it living to her husband ; so should they am the Husband of their virtues living to Me, bring But these wretches do the contrary, for when the soul.

a child

Who

they have arrived at the age of discretion, at which time they should, by the exercise of the light of Faith, bring their virtues living to the birth of grace, they bring them forth still-born.

Their virtues are dead because all their works are dead, having been performed in mortal sin, and without the light of Faith. Such as these have indeed the form of holy baptism, but not the light thereof, of which they have deprived "

themselves, through the cloud of sins they have committed, through self-love which has covered the pupil of their eye.

To

is it said, Those who have faith without works Wherefore as the dead do not see, neither can

such as these

are dead.

man

see, because the pupil of his eye has been as I have told thee, nor does he know that he darkened, He does not remains in the sins which he has committed.

such a


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recognise in himself My goodness, whence he has received Where being and every other grace that he possesses. fore, not recognising Me in himself, he does not hate his

own

sensuality, but rather loves it, seeking to satisfy his and so brings forth the dead offspring of many

appetite,

mortal sins. He does not love Me, and not loving Me, does not love what I love, that is to say, his neighbour, and

does not delight in doing what pleases Me, wherein consists true and real virtue, which it pleases Me to see in him, not because such virtue profits me, for nothing can profit Me, I being He without whom nothing is done except sin

(which is nothing, inasmuch as it deprives the soul of It is rather on grace and of Me, Who am Every Good.) account of their own profit that the virtues of men please Me, for I have the wherewithal to reward them in ever life. Thou seest, then, that the faith of these wretches dead, because it is without works, those which they per form not meriting for them eternal life, because they are

lasting is

deprived of the life of grace. Nevertheless, a man should not leave off doing good, either with or without grace, for, just as every

punished, so is all good rewarded. done in a state of grace merits eternal life, and the good done out of grace is rewarded in various ways, as I told thee above for sometimes I lend them time sin is

The good which

is

;

My

for repentance, or put into the hearts of servants to continue intercessions for them, by means of which they

often escape from their sins and miseries. Sometimes, through the disposition of grace, they receive neither prayers nor time, but are rewarded with temporal things,

My

being treated like animals that are fatted for the slaughter. Therefore such as these, who, having always kicked against My goodness, nevertheless do some good, not in a state of grace, but in sin, and have not profited in their works either time, or by prayers, or any of the other ways in which have called them, being reproved by Me for their sins, (My goodness wishing nevertheless to reward their works, that is, that little service which they have done), they are rewarded by Me with temporal things on which

by I

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So thou seest they are deceived. Who has deceived them ? They themselves, because they have deprived themselves of the light of living Faith, and walk

eternal punishment.

blind

like

men

groping,

which they touch.

and

attach

themselves

But, because they do not

to

see,

that

except

with a blind eye, they place their affections on transitory things, therefore are they deceived and act like madmen, who look only at the glitter of the gold, and not at the

hidden poison. Wherefore know, that the things of the world and all its delights and pleasures they have seized and possessed, without Me, but with disordinate love of self, and these things are like the scorpion which I shewed thee in the beginning, after the figure of the tree, telling thee that it

and venom behind, and that the venom was not without the gold, nor the gold without the venom, but that the gold was seen first, and that no one preserved carries gold in front

himself from the venom, except those by the light of faith."

CHAPTER

who were

illuminated

XLVII.

How

the commandments cannot be observed by those who do not observe the counsels and how every state, which a man may choose, if he have a good and holy will, is pleasing to God. ;

"I

HAVE

told thee of those,

who, with the knife of two

blades (that is hatred of vice and love of virtue), for love of Me, cut out the venom of their own sensuality, and, with the light of reason, held

and possessed and acquired the gold

contained in those

mundane things

keep.

But, he

who

desires

to

that they desired to

practise great perfection,

These are despises them in deed as well as in thought. they, as I told thee, who observe the counsel actually, which

was given

to

them and

left

by

My

Truth.

And

those

who

retain possession of the things of the world, are those who observe the commandments in action, but the counsels in thought only, and not in deed. For, inasmuch as the

counsels are bound up in the commandments, no one can


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latter who does not observe the former, at least that is to say, that they possess the riches of the world humbly and without pride, as lent to them and

observe the

in thought,

own ; for they are only given to you for your use through My goodness, since you only possess what I give I you, and can only retain what I allow you to retain. not their

give you as salvation,

much

and

of them as

in this

I

see to be profitable for your them, for a man,

way should you use

so using them, observes the commandment, loving Me above everything, and his neighbour as himself ; for he lives with a pure divested heart, casting riches away from himself in

and

desire

with

My

love,

will.

and only possessing them in accordance Such a man therefore, though he possess

his riches in deed, observes the counsel in thought, having out of his heart the poison of disordinate love and

cut

affection.

who

Such as these are

in

common

charity.

But those

observe the commandments and counsels in deed as

well as in thought are in perfect charity. With true simplicity they observe the counsel which My Truth, the Word Incarnate, gave to that young man who "

saying

asked,

to

:

What must I

whom He

do, Master, to inherit Eternal Observe the commandments of

life

?

the

Law, and the young man answering,

replied

Jesus then said

:

said

:

I have observed

It is well ; now, ifthou wilt be perfect, And the sell all that thou hast and give to the poor.

them. go,

young man was much love.

:

sad, because

he

still

held his riches with

too

But these perfect ones observe that counsel, abandoning its pleasures, macerating the body with penance and with watching, with humility and continual The others, dwelling in common charity, who do prayers. not raise themselves above their worldly possessions in deed, do not on that account lose eternal life, inasmuch as they are not fettered by them. But, if they wish to possess the things of the world, they should do so in the way that I have told thee, and they do not offend in so possessing them, because everything is good and perfect, and created "

the world with

by Me, rational

Who am

the

creatures

;

Supreme Good, not

that

My

for the service of

rational

creatures

My may


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become the slaves and servants of the delights of the world, but that, if it pleases them to hold worldly possessions (not desiring to go on to the great perfection), they may hold them not as their servants but as their lords.

And

they should

give their love and desire to Me, possessing every other thing, For not as their own, but as lent to them, as I told thee.

am no

Acceptor of creatures, or of conditions, but rather wherefore, in whatever condition a man may choose to be, he may have a good and holy will and be But who will possess in this way ? pleasing to Me. have Those who destroyed the venom, with hatred of their I

of holy desires

;

own sensuality and love of virtue. Having destroyed the venom of disordinate desire, and ruled it with love and fear of Me, a man can choose and hold the condition he prefers, and, in either, he will be capable of receiving eternal life, although the greater perfection and the more pleasing to Me, be to raise himself in deed as well as in thought from every

But he who does not wish to rise to this perfection, his fragility not allowing him to do so, can remain in the ordinary state, according to his vocation, and this My goodness has ordered so that no one may have And excuse for sinning, whatever his condition may be. truly they have no excuse, because I have condescended to their passions and weaknesses in such a way that they, wishing to remain in the world, can do so, possessing thing of the world.

riches,

retaining

their

dignities,

living

in

the

state

of

matrimony, bringing up their children, and striving for them, and remaining in whatever condition they may choose, provided that they truly cut out the venom of their

which gives eternal death. And rightly is sensuality called venom, because, as a sting gives pain to the body, and finally causes its death unless it is cast out, or some medicine taken, so does the scorpion of

own

their

sensuality,

own

worldly delight to the soul ; not that temporal things, in themselves, contain any venom, for they are good and made by Me, Who am Supreme Good, and therefore can be used

man pleases with holy fear and true love, but speaking of the sting of the perverse will of man.

as

then, that

it

envenoms the soul and gives

it

I I

am say,

death, unless


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ST.

CATHERINE

drawn out of the heart and the

affection,

and vomited

a medicine which confession by holy confession, cures this sting, though it seems bitter to sensual self-love. Thou seest then how deluded are they who can possess and for

is

have Me, fleeing sadness and obtaining cheerfulness and consolation, and who, nevertheless, desire evil under colour of good, and give themselves up to the acquiring of gold with disordinate love. But, because they are blinded with much infidelity, feeling themselves envenomed, yet not per ceiving how they are stung, they take not the remedy, and bear the cross of the Devil, tasting the earnest money of Hell."

CHAPTER How

worldly

men cannot be

XLVIII.

satisfied

with their possessions them even in this

;

of the suffering their perverse will causes

and

life.

TOLD thee, above, that the will alone is the cause of man s and because My servants are deprived of their own will, and clothed with Mine, they do not feel afflicting pain, "

I

pain,

but are satisfied, feeling Me by grace in their souls, and if they possessed the whole world without Me they could not be satisfied, because the things created are less than man for they are

made

for

man, and not man

for

them

and

therefore can he not be satisfied by them, but by Me alone. Wherefore these miserable ones in great blindness are

always striving and are never satisfied, desiring that which they cannot have, because they do not ask of Me, Who alone can satisfy. Wilt thou that I tell thee what their pain is ? Thou knowest that love always gives pain, when that thing to which the soul has become conformed is lost. These have become conformed to the earth, through love, in diverse ways, wherefore earth they have become ; some are con formed to riches, some to worldly rank, some to their children, some lose Me by serving creatures, some make of their body a brute beast through their great filthiness, and so, in various ways, they desire and feed themselves on earth,


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and they would that things were lasting, but they are not, but for either they fail them at the moment pass like the wind of death, or else they are deprived of what they love by My ;

And, being deprived, they suffer intolerable loss causes them as much grief as they had their and pain, dispensation.

disordinate love

when they possessed them.

Had

they held

them as things lent to them, and not as their own, they would leave them without pain. They have pain then, because they have not what they desire. Because, as I told thee, the world cannot satisfy them, and, being un

How great is the pain of the prick of they suffer. ! How conscience great is his pain who thirsts for revenge, which pain continually gnaws him and causes him to die, satisfied,

enemy with the knife of hatred miser How much pain the endures, who through avarice cuts How much torment the envious man down his needs before he has killed his

!

!

endures, for envy always gnaws his heart, and does not allow him to take delight in the well-being of his neighbour ! From everything, which a man loves sensually, he draws

pain with many disordinate fears. Wherefore, such as these have taken the cross of the Devil, tasting the earnest money of Hell, on which they live in this life, with many and diverse sicknesses, and if they do not correct themselves they will afterwards receive eternal death.

These are injured by the thorns of many tribulations, torturing themselves with their own disordinate will, who carry the cross in heart and in body, that is, with pain and "

torment, the soul and the body pass their time without any merit, because they bear not their labours with patience,

but rather with impatience. And, because they have possessed and acquired the gold of the delights of the world with disordinate love, being deprived of the life of grace, and of the affection of charity, they have become trees of death.

works are dead, and with pain they being drowned, and arrive at the water of death, passing with hatred through the gate of the Devil, and receive eternal damnation. Now thou hast seen how And, therefore, go through the

all

their

river,

they deceive themselves, and with how much pain they go to Hell, making themselves martyrs of the Devil. And thou


THE DIALOGUE OF

no

hast seen what

it

is

ST.

CATHERINE

that blinds them,

namely the cloud of

And thou self-love, hiding the pupil of the light of faith. hast seen how the tribulations of the world, from whatever side they come, injure My servants corporally, but not mentally, because they, being conformed to My will, are But the servants of the contented to suffer pain for Me.

world are hurt within and without, and particularly within, by fear, that is, fear of losing that which they possess, and by love, that is, the desire for that which they cannot have. All the other suffering which proceeds from these two principal causes, thy tongue is not sufficient to relate. "Thou seest, then, that, even in this life, the righteous have a better bargain than the sinners, and thou hast fully seen how they walk and what is their end."

CHAPTER XLIX. How

servile fear is not sufficient to give eternal life and how, by the exercise of this fear, one arrives at the love of virtue. ;

Now I say to thee that there are some few who, feeling themselves spurred by the tribulations of the world (which I give in order that the soul may know that her end is not "

in this

life,

and that things are imperfect and transitory, and

may desire Me Who am her End), begin to lift the cloud off themselves, on account of the suffering that sin causes them, and, which they see, must follow sin. With this servile fear they begin to come out of the river, vomit that she

ing the poison which was flung to them by the scorpion under the appearance of gold, and which they took without

moderation, receiving thereby poison, and, arising, take the direction of the bank to attach themselves to the Bridge. But it does not suffice to go with servile fear alone, for "

sweep out the house of mortal sin, without filling it with virtue, founded in love and not in fear, will not give eternal Man must put both feet on the first step of the life. Bridge, that is, affection and desire, which are the feet that to


A TREATISE OF DISCRETION carry the soul

into

love of

the

My

in

Truth, of

Whom

I

This servile fear is the first have made for you a Bridge. step, which I told thee would have to be ascended, when I told thee how He had made a staircase of His Body, and it is indeed true, that it is almost always the first step that the servants of the world take, arising, first, through the fear of The world begins to displease them, sometimes on pain. account of its tribulations, and sometimes because they

become tedious

If they exercise this fear they will pass on to the love of

to themselves.

with the light of

faith,

virtue. "But,

there are

some who proceed with such half-heartedness

that oftentimes they turn in again, because, having arrived at the bank, and, contrary winds arising, they are struck by

And the waves of the tempestuous sea of this dark life. if the wind of prosperity arrives, a man, not having, through negligence, mounted, with affection, and the love of virtue, the first step, great pleasures of the world wind of adversity blows, because he has not hated

turns

his

head

back

to

the

with disordinate delight. If the he turns back through impatience, his sin

on account of the injury

it

has done to Me, but on account of the fear of pain it causes to him, with which fear alone he had arisen from the vomit. All practice of virtue requires perseverance, and if a man does not persevere he will not attain his desire, which is

end for which he began. Wherefore to he needs perseverance. I have told thee that they turn back on account of the diverse contrary winds that arise against them, or the

to

arrive at the

fulfil

his desire

"

warring of their own sensuality against the Spirit, or because they turn to creatures, loving them with disordinate love apart from Me, or on account of impatience of injury, or the Devil makes them turn back through many and diverse battles, and sometimes through contempt, bringing

them

to confusion, saying

:

This good which thou hast begun to practise is not worth so much to thee as thy sins and faults, which he says to make them turn back and abandon the little "

practice of virtue

which they had begun.

And sometimes


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he makes them turn back through love of pleasure, telling them to hope in My Mercy, saying Why harass Enjoy this life, and, in the extremity of death, thyself? :

And so, recognising thy sins, thou shalt receive mercy. them to lose fear Devil causes the with in this way, the For these, and many other things, which they had begun. and are back not constant or persevering, and they turn befalls them because the roots of self-love are by all this in means no them, and they take hold of the ploughed up

My

Mercy, not as they ought, but with great I presumption, seizing that which they continually offend. have not given, and do not give, My mercy in order that men may offend in the hope of it, but in order that they may defend themselves, with it, from the malice of the Devil, But they who and from disordinate confusion of mind. offend with the arm of mercy do quite the contrary, and it is because they have not persevered in the first change they made, arising, through the fear of pain and the pricks of the thorns of many tribulations, from the misery of mortal

hope of

Wherefore, not having made the first change, they do and therefore do they not

sin.

not attain to the love of virtue, persevere. "The soul that does not

change her course does not she proceeds not, she turns back, so that proceed, and, I have been speaking to of whom as such these, thee, not with nor virtue, arising from the imperfections of proceeding if

fear

and attaining

to love,

must needs turn

CHAPTER How

this soul

was

of those

back."

L.

on account of the blindness are drowned below in the river.

in great bitterness,

who

THEN that soul, tormented by desire, considering her own imperfections and those of others, was saddened to hear of and to see the great blindness of creatures, notwithstanding the great goodness of GOD, in having placed nothing in this 11


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no matter in what condition, that could be an impedi ment to the salvation of creatures, but rather arranged for the exercising and proving of virtue in them. And, not self-love and she saw all them, through this, withstanding river and arrive at under the disordinate affection, go by in river and who were the and eternal damnation, many had begun to come out, turn back again, scandalised at her, because they had heard of the sweet goodness of GOD, Who had deigned to manifest Himself to her. And, for this, she was in bitterness, and fixing the eye of her intellect on the

life,

Eternal Father, she said Oh, Inestimable Love, great is I would that, when it is the delusion of Thy creatures. "

:

explain to

Thy me the

Truth, and

who

to

pleasing

Goodness,

Thou wouldst more

clearly

three steps figured in the Body of Thy only Son, and what method should be used so as to come entirely out of the depths and to keep the way of Thy are those

who ascend

CHAPTER How the

the

staircase."

LI.

three steps figured in the Bridge, that is, in the Son of GOD, signify the three powers of the soul.

THEN

the Divine Goodness, regarding with the eye of His mercy, the hunger and desire of that soul, said Oh, most delightful daughter, I am not a Despiser, but the "

:

My

Fulfiller

of

holy desire, and therefore

I

show and Thou askest

will

declare to thee that which thou askest Me.

Me

to explain to thee the figure of the three steps, and to thee what method they, who want to come out of the river must use, to be able to ascend the Bridge. And, although tell

above,

in

relating to thee the

delusion and blindness of

tasting in this life the

men, earnest-money of Hell, and, as of the martyrs Devil, receiving damnation, I showed thee the methods they should use; nevertheless, now I will declare

it

to thee

more

knowest that every

evil

fully, satisfying is

founded in

thy desire. self-love,

H

Thou

and that


THE DIALOGUE OF

H4

self-love is a cloud

which reason holds

that takes

similitude,

light

The

the light of reason, of faith, and one is

soul

of love

that

remembrance

is,

created in

I

My

giving her memory, intellect, and the most noble part of the soul, and

The intellect is moved by the affection, and nourishes

will. is

CATHERINE

away

itself the

in

not lost without the other.

image and

ST.

the affection

fills

the

it,

and the hand

memory with

the

Me

and of the benefits received, which it does with care and gratitude, and so one power spurs on another, and the soul is nourished in the life of grace. "

The

of

soul cannot live without love, but always wants to

love something, because she is made of love, and, by love, I created her. And therefore I told thee that the affection

moved

the intellect, saying, as

food on which I feed itself awakened by the the

wilt love, I at once it soul,

it

/

were,

will love, because

Then

the intellect, feeling If thou affection, says, as it were, will give thee that which thou canst love. And arises, considering carefully the dignity of the is love

and the indignity into which she has

fallen

through

In the dignity of her being it tastes My inestimable goodness, and the increate charity with which I created sin.

her, and, in contemplating her misery,

it

discovers and tastes

mercy, and sees how, through mercy, I have lent her time and drawn her out of darkness. Then the affection

My

nourishes

with

itself in

which

it

love,

eats

opening the mouth of holy desire, and displeasure of its own

hatred

sensuality, united with true humility and perfect patience, which it drew from holy hatred. The virtues conceived,

they give birth to themselves perfectly and according as the soul exercises perfection in will tell thee below. So, on the contrary, if affection wants to love sensual things, the intellect

sets

before

itself

for

its

sole

imperfectly, herself, as I

the sensual

object

eye of the transitory

with self-love, displeasure of virtue, and love of vice, whence she draws pride and impatience, and the memory is filled with nothing but that which the affection things,

This love so dazzles the eye of the intellect presents to it. it can discern and see nothing but such glittering

that

objects.

It is

the very brightness of the things that causes


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the intellect to perceive them and the affection to love them for had worldly things no such brightness there would be no sin, for man, by his nature, cannot desire anything but good, and vice, appearing to him thus, under colour of the soul s good, causes him to sin. But, because the eye, on account of its blindness, does not discern, and knows not the truth, it errs, seeking good and delights there where they are not. ;

I have already told thee that the delights of the world, without Me, are venomous thorns, and, that the vision of the intellect is deluded by them, and the affection of the will "

is

deluded into loving them, and the

remembrance of them. soul

memory into retaining unity of these powers of the cannot be offended by one without The

is so great that I the others offending Me at the same time, because the one presents to the other, as I told thee, good or evil,

all

the

according to will is

to the affection,

either with the light attached to Me when

is

love, cut

it

of

pleasure

the free will.

and

This

free

moves as it pleases, of reason or without it. Your reason

bound

off

from

Me

;

your

will

it

does not, by disordinate also in you the law of

you have

You perversity, that continually fights against the Spirit. and reason. have, then, two parts in you sensuality Sensuality is appointed to be the servant, so that, with the instrument of the body, you

may prove and

exercise the

The

soul is free, liberated from sin by the Blood of My Son, and she cannot be dominated unless she consent with her will, which is controlled by her free choice, and virtues.

when

this free choice agrees with the will, it becomes one with And I tell thee truly, that, when the soul it. thing undertakes to gather together, with the hand of free choice, her powers in My Name, then are assembled all the actions,

both spiritual and temporal, that the creature can do, and free choice gets rid of sensuality and binds itself with reason. I, then, by grace, rest in the midst of them ; and this is

He

said

what :

Truth, the Word Incarnate, meant, when there are two or three or more gathered name, there am I in the midst of them?

My

When

My

together in this is the truth.

And

I

have already

told thee that

no


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CATHERINE

Me except by Him, and therefore did I And those Bridge with three steps. three steps figure, as I will narrate to thee below, the

one could come

make

of

Him

to

a

three states of the

soul."

CHAPTER

LII.

How if

the three aforesaid powers are not united, there cannot be perseverance, without which no man arrives at his end.

"

I

HAVE explained

to thee the figure of the three steps, in

general, as the three powers of the soul, and no one who wishes to pass by the Bridge and doctrine of My Truth

can mount one without the other, and the soul cannot Of persevere except by the union of her three powers. I told thee above, when thou askedst Me, how which

There are two the voyagers could come out of the river. goals, and, for the attainment of either, perseverance is If thou desire to arrive needful they are vice and virtue. life, thou must persevere in virtue, and if thou would have eternal death, thou must persevere in vice. Thus it is with perseverance that they who want life arrive at Me Who am Life, and with perseverance that they who taste the water of death arrive at the Devil."

at

CHAPTER An

exposition on Christ s words

come "

You were

all invited,

when He

to

LIII. "

:

Me and

Whosoever

thirtieth, let

him

drink."

generally and in particular, by

My

Whosoever Temple, saying thirsteth, let him come to Me and drink, for I am the Foun He did not say Go to the tain of the Water of Life! Father and drink? but He said Come to Me. He spoke thus, because in Me, the Father, there can be no pain, but

Truth,

cried in the

:


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And you, while you are pain. in mortal and this life, cannot be without wayfarers pilgrims because the earth, sin, brought forth thorns. pain, through And why did He say Let him come to Me and drink ? Because whoever follows His doctrine, whether in the most in

Son there can be

My

perfect way or by dwelling in the life of common charity, finds to drink, tasting the fruit of the Blood, through

the union of the Divine nature with

And

you,

also in Me,

finding

yourselves

Who am

the

Sea

in

the

Him,

Pacific,

human find

because

nature.

yourselves I

am one

So that you are invited thing with Him, and He with Me. to the Fountain of Living Water of Grace, and it is right for you, with perseverance, to keep by Him Who is made you a Bridge, not being turned back by any contrary wind that may arise, either of prosperity or adversity, and for

you find Me, who am the Giver of the by means of this sweet and amorous Word, My Only-Begotten Son. And why did He say: I am the Fountain of Living Water ? Because He was the Foun tain which contained Me, the Giver of the Living Water, by means of the union of the Divine with the human nature. Why did He say Come to Me and drink ? Because you cannot pass this mortal life without pain, and in Me, the Father, there can be no pain, but in Him there can be pain, and therefore of Him did I make for you a No one can come to Me except by Him, as He Bridge. told you in the words No one can come to the Father Me. except by Now thou hast seen to what way thou shouldest keep, and how, namely with perseverance, otherwise thou shalt not drink, for perseverance receives the crown of glory and to persevere

Water

till

of Life,

:

"

victory in the

life everlasting."


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u8

ST.

CHAPTER

CATHERINE

LIV.

general method by which every rational creature can come out and go by the aforesaid holy Bridge.

The

of the sea of the world,

WILL now return

"I

to

the three steps, which you must

climb in order to issue from the river without drowning,

Water, to which you are invited, in For in this Presence the midst of you. My in which should I am in follow, you way, your midst, In order to have desire reposing, by grace, in your souls.

and and

to

attain to the Living

to desire

mount the

those

who

come

to

steps, you must have thirst, because thirst are invited : Whosoever thirsteth, let

Me and

drink.

1

He who

has no

thirst will

only

him not

persevere, for either fatigue causes him to stop, or pleasure, and he does not care to carry the vessel with which he get the water, and neither does he care for the company, and alone he cannot go, and he turns back at the smallest He is afraid prick of persecution, for he loves it not. because he is alone were he accompanied he would not fear, and had he ascended the three steps he would not have been alone, and would, therefore, have been secure. You must then have thirst and gather yourselves together,

may

;

as

1

it

is said,

Why

two or three or more. it said two or three or more

? Because two without three, nor three without two, The number one is neither three nor two without more. "

is

there are not

excluded, the midst

up

for, ;

unless a

this is

no

man

has a companion,

indifferent

trifle,

for

I

cannot be in

he who

is

wrapped

in self-love is solitary.

Why is

he solitary ? Because he is separated from My the love of his neighbour, and being, by sin, and grace of Me, he turns to that which is nought, because deprived I am He that is. So that he who is solitary, that is, who is alone in self-love, is not mentioned by My Truth and is not He says then If there be two or three acceptable to Me. or more gathered together in My name, I will be in the midst I said to thee that two were not without three, of them "

:


A TREATISE OF DISCRETION nor three without two, and so the

commandments of

two, and observed.

it

is.

119

Thou knowest

that

Law

are completely contained in these two are not observed the Law is not

if

the

are to love Me above which two are as and thyself, thy neighbour everything, These the beginning, the middle and the end of the Law. two cannot be gathered together in My Name, without

The two commandments

three, that is without the congregation of the powers of the soul, the memory, the intellect and the will ; the memory

to retain the

remembrance of

My

benefits

and

My goodness,

the intellect to gaze into the ineffable love, which I have I shown thee by means of My only- begotten Son, have placed as the object of the vision of your intellect, so

Whom

Him, you behold the

that, in

to

will

love and desire

virtues

these

My

together in and a man,

Me,

and

who

and the

fire of My charity, Who am your End.

When

are congregated powers them by grace, of I in the midst am Name, is

of the

full

of

My

soul

love and that of his neigh

bour, suddenly finds himself the companion of many and Then the appetite of the soul is disposed royal virtues. to

Thirst, I say, for virtue, and the honour of salvation of souls, and his every other thirst

thirst.

My Name and

spent and dead, and he then proceeds securely without any servile fear, having ascended the first step of the affection, for the affection, stripped of self-love, mounts

is

above

itself

and above transitory things,

or, if

hold them, he does so according to My will a holy and true fear, and love of virtue.

he will

that

He

that he has attained to the second step Christ which the of is, through intellect, light

that

mirrored in cordial love of Me, for through

shown the

My

love to man.

memory

is

filled

He

with

is,

still

with

then finds is,

to

the

crucified,

Him

have

I

finds peace and quiet, because Thou knowest that love.

My

an empty thing, when touched, resounds, but not so when

So memory, being filled with the light of the and the affection with love, on being moved by intellect, the tribulations or delights of the world, will not resound with disordinate merriment or with impatience, because

it

is

full.

they are

full

of Me,

Who am

every good.


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Having climbed the three steps, he finds that the three powers of the soul have been gathered together by his reason in My Name. And his soul, having gathered to gether the two commandments, that is love of Me and of the

neighbour, finds

am her I am in

herself accompanied

by Me,

Who

strength and security, and walks safely because the midst of her. Wherefore then he follows on

with anxious desire, thirsting after the way of Truth, in which way he finds the Fountain of the Water of Life,

through his thirst for My honour and his own salvation and that of his neighbour, without which thirst he would not be able to arrive at the Fountain. He walks on, carrying the vessel of the heart, emptied of every affection

and disordinate love of the world, but

filled immediately it emptied with other things, for nothing can remain empty, and, being without disordinate love for transitory things, it is filled with love of celestial things, and sweet Divine love, with which he arrives at the Fountain of the Water of Life,

is

and passes through tastes the

Water of

Door of Christ

the

Life,

crucified,

and

finding himself in Me, the Sea

Pacific.

CHAPTER A

brief repetition of

LV.

some things already

said.

HAVE now shown thee the general method that every rational creature should follow, in order to come out of the "

I

sea of the world, without being drowned, and escape eternal damnation. I have also shown thee the three general steps, that is the three powers of the soul, and how one cannot

ascend one without ascending them all. And I have spoken Where two or three to thee of those words of My Truth {

:

or more

are gathered together in

My

name!

telling thee that

this means the gathering together of the three steps, that is of the three powers of the soul, which three powers,

being united, have with them the two principal command ments of the Law, that is, love of Me and of the neighbour.


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Then, the staircase being mounted, that is, gathered together in My Name, as I have said, man immediately thirsts for the Living Water, and sets off and passes over the Bridge, following the doctrine of

My

Truth,

Who

is

this

Bridge,

runs, in reply to His Voice, which called you, as I thee, above, in the Temple inviting you all, saying :

and told

him come to Me and drink, for I am I have explained to Water the Fountain of the of Life are to be under words these thee what He meant, and how see the abundance better the stood, in order that thou mayest of of My love, and the confusion those, who, deceived by the run what appears to be pleasure, way of the Devil, who invites them to the water of death. Now thou hast seen and heard what thou askedst of Me, and I have told thee what method should be held, so as not to drown in the river, namely to mount by the Bridge, carrying the heart and the affection like a vessel to Me, Who will give to drink to him who asks of Me, and to keep Whosoever

thirsteth, let

"

the

way

This

is

of Christ crucified, with perseverance, until death. that method which every man should follow, no

No man can draw back, have such and such a position, or children, or other worldly reasons, for which I draw back from following this way, for I have already told thee that every condition is pleasing and acceptable to Me, provided it be held with a holy and good will, for everything is good and perfect and made by Me, Who am Supreme Good, and I did not create nor give anything by which man could be brought matter what be his condition. saying

:

I

I to death, but everything was made to lead him to life. ask an easy thing of you, for nothing is so easy and de lightful as love, and what I require of you is none other This you can fulfil than love of Me and of the neighbour.

and in every place and in every condition, be held to the praise and glory of My Name. Thou knowest that I told thee, that it was through their delusion, and walking without the Light, being clothed in self-love, and possessing and loving things and creatures without Me, that some pass through this life in torture, in every time

provided

it

being insupportable to themselves,

and,

unless they rise


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above themselves, in the aforesaid way, they will arrive at eternal damnation. Now I have told thee what general method every man "

should hold to come out of the

river."

CHAPTER

LVI.

How GOD,

wishing to show to this devoted soul that the three steps of the holy Bridge, signify in particular the three states of the soul, tells her that she should rise above herself, to

consider this truth.

have told thee above, how they ought to walk, who common charity, that is, observing the command ments and counsels in thought, now I wish to tell thee of those who have begun to mount the staircase, and want to follow the perfect way, that is, to observe the commandments and counsels in act, in three states, which states I will show "

As

I

live in

There are three thee now, explaining them in particular. and states of the as there three steps, soul are degrees which steps fect,

I

explained to thee in general as the powers of

which one and the other most

the soul

of

state is perfect.

imperfect, one more per The first state is to Me

as that of a mercenary servant, the second as of a faithful servant, and the other as of a son who loves Me, without

any consideration. These are the three states of the soul, which can and do belong to many creatures, and sometimes all to one creature. They can and do belong to one creature with when, perfect solicitude, he runs by the aforesaid way, in such a way that, from the servile state he his time using arrives at the free state, and, from the free state, at the Arise above thyself and open the eye of thy intellect filial. and behold these travelling pilgrims as they pass, some im perfectly and others perfectly, on the way of the command ments, and some most perfectly keeping the way of the Thou wilt see, then, whence comes imperfection, counsels. and whence comes perfection, and how greatly the soul who


A TREATISE OF DISCRETION not rooted out of

has

deceived.

For

the

herself

in every state in

necessary to destroy this

123

roots of self-love, is

which man may

be,

it is

self-love."

CHAPTER

LVII.

How this devoted

soul looking in the Divine mirror creatures going in diverse ways.

saw the

THEN

that soul, tormented with intense desire, gazing into the sweet Divine mirror, saw creatures setting out to attain their

end

She saw

ways and with diverse

in diverse

that

many began

to

considerations.

mount, feeling themselves

pricked by servile fear, that is, fearing their own personal pain, and she saw others, practising this first state, arriving at the second state, but few she saw who arrived at the greatest perfection.

CHAPTER How

servile fear is not

give eternal united.

life

;

sufficient,

LVIII. without the love of virtue, to

and how the law of

fear

and that of love are

THEN

the goodness of God, wishing to satisfy the desire of that soul, said, Dost thou see those? They have arisen with servile fear from the vomit of mortal sin, but, if they do not arise with love of virtue, servile fear alone is not sufficient

But love with holy fear is founded in love and holy fear.

to give eternal

life.

because the law

is

sufficient,

The

old

law was the law of fear, that was given by Me to Moses, by which law they who committed sin suffered the penalty of it. The new law is the law of love, given by the Word of My only-begotten Son, and is founded in love alone. The new law does not break the old law, but rather fulfils said My Truth, come not to destroy the law, but it, as to fulfil it: And He united the law of fear with that of "/


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CATHERINE

ST.

Through love was taken away the imperfection of the fear of the penalty, and the perfection of holy fear remained, that is, the fear of offending, not on account of am Supreme one s own damnation, but of offending Me, love.

Who

Good. So that the imperfect law was made perfect with the law of love. Wherefore, after the car of the fire of My Son came and brought the fire of My charity only-begotten into yx)ur humanity with abundance of mercy, the penalty of the sins committed by humanity was taken away, that is, he who offended was no longer punished suddenly, as was of old given and ordained in the law of Moses. "There is, therefore, no need for servile fear; and this does not is

mean

that sin is not punished, but that the punishment is to say, the person punish himself

reserved, unless, that

in this life with perfect contrition.

is

For, in the other

life,

the

separated from the body, wherefore while man lives his time for mercy, but when he is dead comes the time

soul

is

He

of justice.

arrive at love

remedy against

ought, then, to arise from servile fear, and fear of Me, otherwise there is no

and holy

his falling back again into the

river,

and

reaching the waters of tribulation, and seeking the thorns of consolation, for all consolations are thorns that pierce the soul

who

loves

them

disordinately."

CHAPTER

LIX.

exercising oneself in servile fear, which is the state of imperfection, by which is meant the first step of the holy Bridge, one arrives at the second step, which is the state of perfection.

How, by

"

I

TOLD thee that no one could

go

by the Bridge or

come out of is

the river without climbing the three steps, which There are some who climb imperfectly, and the truth.

some

The

perfectly,

first

and some climb with the greatest perfection. who are moved by servile fear, and have

are those

climbed so far being imperfectly gathered together ; that is to say, the soul, having seen the punishment which follows


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her sin, climbs ; and gathers together her memory to recol lect her vice, her intellect to see the punishment which she expects to receive for her fault, and her will to move her to hate that

fault.

And

let

us consider this to be the

first

step

and the first gathering together of the powers of the soul, which should be exercised by the light of the intellect with the pupil of the eye of holy faith, which looks, not only at the punishment of sin, but at the fruit of virtue, and the love which I bear to the soul, so that she may climb with And doing love and affection, and stripped of servile fear. and not unfaithful faithful ser become will souls such so, and and not love Me if, through fear, vants, serving through with hatred of sin, they employ their minds to dig out the root of their self-love with prudence, constancy, and But there perseverance they will succeed in doing so. are

many who

begin their course climbing so slowly, and, Me by such small degrees, and with such

render their debt to

negligence and ignorance, that they suddenly faint, and every little breeze catches their sails, and turns their prow back

Wherefore, because they imperfectly climb to the

wards.

Step of the Bridge of Christ crucified, they do not arrive at the second step of His Heart." first

CHAPTER Of the imperfection

of those

profit, delight

SOME

there are

who

LX. love

GOD for their own

and consolation.

who have become

faithful servants, serving fear of punishment, but servile without fidelity This very love, however, if they serve rather with love. "

Me

with

Me

with a view to their

own profit, or the delight and Dost thou find in which Me, is imperfect. pleasure they know what proves the imperfection of this love ? The withdrawal of the consolations which they found in Me, and the insufficiency and short duration of their love for their neighbour, which grows weak by degrees, and ofttimes


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Towards Me

ST.

CATHERINE

grows weak when, on and raise them above their imperfection, I withdraw from their minds My consolation and allow them to fall into battles and per This I do so that, coming to perfect selfplexities. disappears.

their love

occasion, in order to exercise

them

in virtue

knowledge, they may know that of themselves they are nothing and have no grace, and, accordingly in time of battle fly to Me, as their Benefactor, seeking Me alone, with true humility, for which purpose I treat them thus, with At drawing from them consolation indeed, but not grace. such a time these weak ones, of whom I speak, relax their

impatiently turning backwards, and sometimes abandon, under colour of virtue, many of their exercises, All saying to themselves, This labour does not profit me. this they do, because they feel themselves deprived of mental consolation. Such a soul acts imperfectly, for she

energy,

has not yet unwound the bandage of spiritual self-love, for, had she unwound it she would see that, in truth, everything proceeds from Me, that no leaf of a tree falls to the ground without My providence, and that what I give and promise to

My

creatures,

sanctification,

I

which

give and promise to them for their the good and the end for which I

is

created them. My creatures should see and know that I wish nothing but their good, through the Blood of My onlybegotten Son, in Which they are washed from their iniqui ties. By this Blood they are enabled to know My Truth, how, in order to give them eternal life, I created them in My image and likeness and re-created them to grace with the Blood of My Son, making them sons of adoption. But, since they are imperfect, they make use of Me only for their own profit, relaxing their love for their neighbour. Thus,

those in the

first

state

come

to

nought through the fear

of enduring pain, and those in the second, because they slacken their pace, ceasing to render service to their neigh bour, and withdrawing their charity if they see their own this happens profit or consolation withdrawn from them because their love was originally impure, for they gave to their neighbour the same imperfect love which they gave to Me, that is to say, a love based only on desire of their :


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advantage.

this imperfection of theirs,

that they should

Eternal Life, a

through a desire for perfection, they

If,

do not recognise

127

not

pure love,

it

is

impossible

For those who desire prescinding from themselves, is

turn

back.

necessary, for it is not enough for eternal life to fly sin from fear of punishment, or to embrace virtue from the

motive of one s

own

advantage.

Sin should be abandoned

displeasing to Me, and virtue should be loved It is true that, generally speaking, every for sake. is called in this way, but this is because the first person soul herself is at first imperfect, from which imperfection

because

it

is

My

she must advance to perfection, either while she lives, by a generous love to Me with a pure and virtuous heart that takes no thought for herself, or, at least, in the moment of death, recognising her own imperfection, with the purpose,

had she but time, of serving Me, irrespectively of herself. It was with this imperfect love that S. Peter loved the sweet and good Jesus, My only- begotten Son, enjoying most pleasantly His sweet conversation, but, when the time of trouble came, he failed, and so disgraceful was his fall, that, not only could he not bear any pain himself, but his terror of the very approach of pain caused him to fall, and deny the Lord, with the words, I have never known

The soul who has climbed this step with servile and mercenary love alone, falls into many troubles. Such souls should arise and become sons, and serve Me,

Him. fear

Who

am the Rewarder of irrespective of themselves, for I, every labour, render to each man according to his state and his labour ; wherefore, if these souls do not abandon the exercise of holy prayer and their other good works, but

go

on, with perseverance, to increase their virtues, they will arrive at the state of filial love, because I respond to them

with the same love, with which they love Me, so that, if they love Me, as a servant does his master, I pay them their wages according to their deserts, but I do not reveal

Myself to them, because secrets are revealed to a friend, thing with his friend, and not to a servant. Yet it is true, that a servant may so advance by

who has become one the virtuous

love,

which he bears to his master, as to


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become a very dear

ST.

CATHERINE

and so do some of these of whom

friend,

have

spoken, but while they remain in the mercenary love, I do not manifest Myself to them. I

through

state of If they,

and love of virtue, self-love, and mount

displeasure at their imperfection,

dig up, with hatred, the root of spiritual to the throne of conscience, reasoning with themselves, so as to quell the motions of servile fear in their heart, and to correct mercenary love by the light of the holy faith, they be so pleasing to Me, that they will attain to the love

will

And

of the friend.

will manifest

I

Truth said in these words

Me and I

thing with

with him,

him and we

and I 1

will dwell together. dear friends, for though they are to

myself to them, as

He who

:

loves

Me

will manifest

This

is

My

shall be one

Myself

the state of two

two in body, yet they are one in soul through the affection of love, because love trans forms the lover into the object loved, and where, two friends have one soul, there can be no secret between them, where / will come and we will dwell together, fore My Truth said and this is the truth." :

CHAPTER Of the way

in

GOD

which

manifests Himself to the soul loves Him.

who "

KNOWEST thou how

loves

Me

in truth,

Word

and amorous

I manifest Myself to the soul who and follows the doctrine of My sweet

In

?

the soul in special

proportion manifestations.

virtue, that is

LXI.

is

to

made through

Blood, which

He

is

My

virtue manifested in

her desire, but I make three The first manifestation of My

say of the

many

to

My

Word

spilled

love and charity in the soul, My Son, and shown in the

of

with such

fire

of love.

Now

manifested in two ways ; first, in general, this charity to ordinary people, that is to those who live in the ordinary is

It is manifested to them by the many and grace of God. diverse benefits which they receive from Me. The second

mode

of manifestation, which

is

developed from the

first, is


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who have become My friends in the way mentioned above, and is known through a sentiment of the This soul, by which they taste, know, prove and feel it. second manifestation, however, is in men themselves ; they For manifesting Me, through the affection of their love. I I am an am of no creatures, Acceptor of though Acceptor peculiar to those

holy desires, and Myself in the soul in that precise degree Sometimes I mani of perfection which she seeks in Me.

Myself (and this is also a part of the second manifesta tion) by endowing men with the spirit of prophecy, showing them the things of the future. This I do in many and diverse ways, according as I see need in the soul herself and in other creatures. At other times the third manifesta tion takes place. I then form in the mind the presence of fest

the Truth, My only-begotten Son, in many ways, accord Sometimes ing to the will and the desire of the soul.

she seeks Me in prayer, wishing to know My power, and I satisfy her by causing her to taste and see My virtue. Sometimes she seeks Me in the wisdom of My Son, and I satisfy her by placing His wisdom before the eye of her intellect, sometimes in the clemency of the Holy Spirit and then My Goodness causes her to taste the fire of Divine charity, and to conceive the true and royal virtues, which are founded on the pure love of her neighbour."

CHAPTER Why

LXII.

Christ did not say / will manifest

My

Father, but I will

manifest Myself. 11

THOU

said

:

seest

now how

He who

Word spoke, when He truly shall be one thing with Me!

My

Me

loves

Because, by following His doctrine with the affection of love, you are united with Him, and, being united with

Him, you are united with Me, because together.

because

And

We

so

are

it

is

one

that

and

I

We

manifest

the

same

are one thing

Myself thing

to you,

together. i


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130

Wherefore

if

My

Truth

said,

I

ST.

CATHERINE

will manifest

Myself to you,

manifesting Himself, He manifested Me, and, in manifesting Me, He manifested Him self. But why did He not say, / will manifest My Father For three reasons in particular. to you ? First, because

He

said the truth,

because, in

1

He wished to show that He and I are not separate from each other, on which account He also made the following reply to S. Philip, when he said to Him, Show us the Father, and

1

it

is

enough for

us.

My Word

said,

Who

sees

Me

1

This and who sees the Father sees Me. He said because He was one thing with Me, and that which He had, He had from Me, I having nothing from sees

the Father,

Him ; wherefore, again, He said to Judas, My doctrine is not Mine, but My Father s who sent Me, because My Son proceeds from Me, not I from Him, though I with Him and He with Me are but one thing. For this reason He did not

say

/

will manifest the Father, but

I will manifest Myself]

The second reason was being one thing with the Father. Himself to in manifesting because, you, He did not present to you anything He had not received from Me, the Father. These words, then, mean, the Father has manifested Him self to Me, because I am one thing with Him, and I will The manifest to you, by means of Myself, Me and Him. third reason was, because I, being invisible, could not be seen by you, until you should be separated from your bodies. Then, indeed, will you see Me, your GOD, and My Son, the Word, face to

face.

From now

until

after

the

general Resurrection, when your humanity will be conformed with the humanity of the Eternal Word, according to what I told thee in the treatise of the Resurrection, you can see Me, with the eye of the intellect alone, for, as I am, you Wherefore I veiled the Divine nature cannot see Me now.

with your humanity, so that you might see

Me

through

the Invisible, made Myself, as it were, visible by sending you the Word, My Son, veiled in the He manifested Me to you. There flesh of your humanity. that

medium.

I,

that He did not say / will manifest the Father but rather, I will manifest myself to you," as if He you! should say, According as My Father manifests Himself

fore to

it

was


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will

Me,

I manifest Myself to yoit, for,

131

in this manifestation

Now therefore thou underof Himself^ He manifests Me. standest why He did not say / will manifest the Father to Both, because such a vision is impossible for you, while yet in the mortal body, and because He is one thing with Me."

you!

CHAPTER How

LXIII.

the soul, after having mounted the first step of the Bridge, should proceed to mount the second.

THOU hast now seen how who has attained to the love "

excellent

is

the state of

him

; climbing with the the secret of the Heart, foot of affection, he has reached which is the second of the three steps figured in the Body

of a friend

have told thee what was meant by the three powers of the soul, and now I will show thee how they signify the three states, through which the soul passes. Before treating of the third state, I wish to show thee how a man becomes a friend and how, from a friend, he grows into a son, attaining to filial love, and how a man may of

Son.

My

know

if

I

he has become a friend.

And

first

of

how

a

man

In the beginning, a man serves Me imperfectly through servile fear, but, by exercise and perseverance, he arrives at the love of delight, finding his arrives at being a friend.

own

delight and profit in

Me.

pass, who to the love that is of friend

by which he must

perfect,

because thereby, a

This

is

a necessary stage,

would attain I and son.

man

to perfect love, call

filial

love

receives his inheritance from

Me, the Eternal Father, and because a son s love includes friend, which is why I told thee that a friend What means does he take to arrive /grows into a son. I will tell thee. thereat ? Every perfection and every virtue proceeds from charity, and charity is nourished by humility, which results from the knowledge and holy hatred that of a

of

self,

that

is,

sensuality.

To

arrive thereat, a

man must

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mercy, in the Blood of My only-bego tten Son, drawing to Himself, with this love, My divine charity, exercising himself in the extirpation of his perverse selfwill, both spiritual and temporal, hiding himself in his own

My

house, as did Peter,

who, after the sin of denying My Yet his lamentations were imperfect

Son, began to weep. and remained so, until after the forty days, that is until But when My Truth returned to Me, after the Ascension. in His humanity, Peter and the others concealed themselves

coming of the Holy Spirit, which Truth had them. My promised They remained barred in from fear, because the soul always fears until she arrives at But when they had persevered in fasting and in true love. humble and continual prayer, until they had received the abundance of the Holy Spirit, they lost their fear, and So also the soul, followed and preached Christ crucified. who wishes to arrive at this perfection, after she has risen from the guilt of mortal sin, recognising it for what it is, begins to weep from fear of the penalty, whence she rises to the consideration of My mercy, in which contemplation, This is an imperfect she finds her own pleasure and profit. in order to and state, I, develop perfection in the soul, after the forty days, that is after these two states, withdraw My Myself from time to time, not in grace but in feeling. Truth showed you this when He said to the disciples I will go and will return to you. Everything that He said, was said primarily, and in

in the house, awaiting the

f

"

particular, to the disciples, but referred in general to the whole present and future, to those, that is to say, who He said / will go and will return to should come after. 1

you; and so the disciples,

Holy

it

was,

He

for,

when

the

Holy

also returned, as

I

Spirit returned upon you above, for the

told

came with My power, one thing with Me, and proceeds from Me the

Spirit did not return alone, but

and the

wisdom

with His

own

of the Son,

Who

clemency,

which

Father, and from the Son.

is

Now, as

raise the soul from imperfection,

I

I

told thee, in order to

withdraw Myself from

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from Me, and I deprived her of grace through her own guilt, because that guilt had barred the door of her desires. Wherefore the sun of grace did not shine, not through its own defect, but through the defect of the creature, who bars When she knows herself and her the door of desire. darkness, she opens the

window and vomits her

filth,

by

Then

I, having returned to the soul by from her by sentiment, which I do withdraw Myself grace, in order to humiliate her, and cause her to seek Me in truth,

holy confession.

prove her in the light of faith, so that she come to Then, if she love Me without thought of self, prudence. and with lively faith and with hatred of her own sensuality,

and

to

she rejoices in the time of trouble, deeming herself un Now comes the worthy of peace and quietness of mind.

second of the three things of which say

I

told thee, that is to

how

the soul arrives at perfection, and what she does This is what she does. she is perfect. Though she

:

when

perceives that I have withdrawn Myself, she does not, on that account, look back, but perseveres with humility in her exercises, remaining barred in the house of self-knowledge, and, continuing to dwell therein, awaits, with lively faith, am the the coming of the Holy Spirit, that is of Me,

Who

fire

of charity.

How does

she await

me ?

Not in idleness, and not only with

but in watching and continued prayer, physical, but also with intellectual watching, that

is,

with

the eye of her mind

alert, and, watching with the light of she faith, extirpates, with hatred, the wandering thoughts of her heart, looking for the affection of My charity, and I desire nothing but her sanctification, which her in the Blood of My Son. As long as her eye thus watches, illumined by the knowledge of Me and of herself, she continues to pray with the prayer of holy desire, which is a continued prayer, and also with actual prayer,

knowing

that

is certified to

at the appointed times, according to the orders of Holy Church. This is what the soul does in order to rise from imperfection and arrive at perfection, and

which she practises

this end, namely that she may arrive at perfection, withdraw from her, not by grace but by sentiment. Once more do I leave her, so that she may see and know

it

is to

that

I


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her defects, so that, feeling herself deprived of consolation and afflicted by pain, she may recognise her own weakness,

and learn how incapable she is of stability or perseverance, thus cutting down to the very root of spiritual self-love, for this should be the end and purpose of all her self-knowledge, to rise above herself, mounting the throne of conscience, and not permitting the sentiment of imperfect love to turn again in its death-struggle, but, with correction and reproof,

digging up the root of self-love, with the knife of self-hatred

and the love of

virtue."

CHAPTER How

LXIV.

an imperfect lover of GOD loves his neighbour also and of the signs of this imperfect love.

imperfectly,

AND I would have thee know that just as every imperfection and perfection is acquired from Me, so is it manifested by means of the neighbour. And simple souls, who often love "

creatures with spiritual love, know this well, for, if they have My love sincerely without any self-regarding

received

considerations, they satisfy the thirst of their love for their If a man carry away the neighbour equally sincerely. vessel which he has

filled

at

the fountain and then drink

if he keep his vessel it, the vessel becomes empty, but in the he while fountain, standing drinks, it always remains

of

So the

love of the neighbour, whether spiritual or should be drunk in Me, without any self-regarding temporal, I considerations. require that you should love Me with full.

same love with which

I love you. This indeed you loved you without being loved. All the love which you have for Me you owe to Me, so that it is not of grace that you love Me, but because you ought to do so. While I love you of grace, and not because I owe

the

cannot do, because

My

I

Therefore to Me, in person, you cannot repay I require of you, and I have placed you in the midst of your fellows, that you may do to them

you

love.

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which you cannot do to Me, that is to say, that you love may your neighbour of free grace, without expecting return from him, and what you do to him, I count as any done to Me, which Truth showed forth when He said to that

My

My

Paul, Me ?

His

Saul, Saul, why persecutes} thou said, judging that Paul persecuted Him in This love must be sincere, because it is with

persecutor,

This

faithful.

He

same love with which you love Me, that you must love Dost thou know how the imperfection of your neighbour. love for the creature is shown ? It is shown when spiritual the lover feels pain if it appear to him that the object of his the

love does not satisfy or return his love, or when he sees the beloved one s conversation turned aside from him, or himself deprived of consolation, or another loved more than he.

In these and in

many

other

ways can

it

be seen that

his neighbourly love is still imperfect, and that, though his love was originally drawn from Me, the Fountain of all love,

he took the vessel out of the water, in order to drink from It is because his love for Me is still imperfect, that his it. neighbourly love is so weak, and because the root of selflove has not been properly dug out. Wherefore I often such a love to so that the soul may in this permit exist, to the knowledge of her own imperfection, and same reason do I withdraw myself from the soul by

way come for the

sentiment, that she may be thus led to enclose herself in the house of self-knowledge, where is acquired every perfection. After which I return into her with more light and with

more knowledge of which she refers

in

My

Truth, in proportion to the degree power of slaying her own

to grace the

And she never ceases to cultivate the vine of her and to root out the thorns of evil thoughts, replacing them with the stones of virtues, cemented together in the Blood of Christ crucified, Which she has found on her journey across the Bridge of Christ, My only-begotten Son. For I told thee, if thou remember, that upon the Bridge, that is, upon the doctrine of My Truth, were built up the stones, based upon the virtue of His Blood, for it is in virtue of this Blood that the virtues give will.

soul,

life."


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CHAPTER LXV. A TREATISE OF PRAYER soul takes to arrive at pure and generous and here begins the Treatise of Prayer.

Of the means which the love 11

WHEN

crucified,

has

;

the soul has passed through the doctrine of Christ with true love of virtue and hatred of vice, and

arrived at the house

of self-knowledge and entered

therein, she remains, with her

door barred, in watching and

constant prayer, separated entirely from the consolations of does she thus shut herself in ? She does the world.

Why

knowing her own imperfections, and also from the desire, which she has, of arriving at pure and generous And because she sees and knows well that in no love.

so from

other

fear,

way can she

faith for

arrive thereat, she waits, with a increase of grace in her.

My arrival, through

a lively faith to be recognised ?

lively

How

perseverance in virtue, and by the fact that the soul never turns back for anything, whatever it be, nor rises from holy prayer, for any is

By

reason except (note well) for obedience or charity s sake. For no other reason ought she to leave off prayer, for,

during the time ordained for prayer, the Devil is wont to arrive in the soul, causing much more conflict and trouble This he than when the soul is not occupied in prayer. does in order that holy prayer may become tedious to the This prayer tempting her often with these words

soul,

:

avails thee nothing,

vocal prayers?

for thou needest attend to nothing

He

acts

thus

in

order

that,

except thy

becoming

wearied and confused in mind, she may abandon the exercise of prayer, which is a weapon with which the soul can defend herself from every adversary, if grasped with the love, by the arm of free choice in the light of the

hand of

Holy

Faith."


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CHAPTER

137

LXVI.

Here, touching something concerning the Sacrament of the Body of Christ, the complete doctrine is given and how the soul proceeds from vocal to mental prayer, and a vision is related which this devout soul once received. ;

11

KNOW,

how, by humble, continual and with time and perseverance, Wherefore should she persevere and never

dearest daughter,

faithful prayer, the soul acquires,

every virtue.

abandon prayer, either through the her

own

illusion of the Devil or

fragility, that is to say, either

on account of any

thought or movement coming from her own body, or of The Devil often places himself the words of any creature. creatures, causing them to chatter with the nonsensically, purpose of preventing the prayer of All of this she should pass by, by means of the the soul.

upon the tongues of

virtue of perseverance. Oh, how sweet and pleasant to that soul and to Me is holy prayer, made in the house of know ledge of self and of Me, opening the eye of the intellect to

the light of faith, and the affections to the abundance of charity,

which was made

only-begotten Son,

Which Blood

My

through My visible to you with His Blood

visible to you,

who showed

it

!

and clothes her with the her the food of the Sacrament giving

inebriates the soul

of divine charity, [which is placed in the tavern of the mystical body of the Holy Church] that is to say, the food of the Body and Blood fire

Son, wholly God and wholly man, administered to you by the hand of My vicar, who holds the key of the This is that tavern, which I mentioned to thee, Blood.

of

My

standing on the Bridge, to provide food and comfort for the travellers and the pilgrims, who pass by the way of the doctrine of My Truth, lest they should faint through weak

This food strengthens little or much, according to ness. the desire of the recipient, whether he receives sacramentally or virtually. He receives sacramentally when he actually

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munion, and by contemplation of the Blood of Christ cruci the fied, communicating, as it were, sacramentally, with affection of love, which is to be tasted in the Blood Which, as the soul sees, was shed through love. On seeing this the soul becomes inebriated, and blazes with holy desire and satisfies herself, becoming full of love for Me and for her

Where can this be acquired ? In the house neighbour. of self-knowledge with holy prayer, where imperfections are lost, even as Peter and the disciples, while they remained watching and prayer, lost their imperfection and acquired perfection. By what means is this acquired ? By perse verance seasoned with the most holy faith. But do not think that the soul receives such ardour and nourishment from prayer, if she pray only vocally, as do in

"

souls whose prayers are rather words than love. Such as these give heed to nothing except to completing

many

Psalms and saying many paternosters. And when they have once completed their appointed tale, they do not appear to think of anything further, but seem to place devout attention and love in merely vocal recitation, which the soul is not required to do, for, in doing only this, she But if bears but little fruit, which pleases Me but little. thou askest Me, whether the soul should abandon vocal prayer, since it does not seem to all that they are called to mental prayer, I should reply No. The soul should advance by degrees, and I know well that, just as the soul is at first imperfect and afterwards perfect, so also is it.

with her prayer. prayer, while she

She should nevertheless continue is

yet imperfect, so as not

to

in vocal fall

into

But she should not say her vocal prayers with out joining them to mental prayer, that is to say, that, while she is reciting, she should endeavour to elevate her mind in My love, with the consideration of her own defects and of the Blood of My only-begotten Son, wherein she finds the breadth of My charity and the remission of her sins. And this she should do, so that self-knowledge and idleness.

the consideration

of

her

own

defects

should make her

recognise My goodness in herself and continue her exer cises with true humility. I do not wish defects to be con-


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sidered in particular, but in general, so that the mind may not be contaminated by the remembrance of particular and

But, as I said, I do not wish the soul to consider her sins, either in general or in particular, without also remembering the Blood and the broadness of My

hideous sins.

mercy, for fear that otherwise she should be brought to And together with confusion would come the

confusion.

who has caused

colour of contrition and it, under and so she would arrive at eternal sin, displeasure not on account of her confusion, but also damnation, only would come to her, because she the which through despair did not seize the arm of My mercy. This is one of the subtle devices with which the Devil deludes My servants, and, in order to escape from his deceit, and to be pleasing to Me, you must enlarge your hearts and affections in My boundless mercy, with true humility. Thou knowest that the pride of the Devil cannot resist the humble mind, nor can any confusion of spirit be greater than the broadness Devil,

of

My good mercy, if the soul will only truly hope therein. Wherefore it was, if thou remember rightly, that, once, when the Devil wished to overthrow thee, by confusion, wishing to prove to thee that thy life had been deluded, and that thou hadst not followed My will, thou didst that which was thy duty, which My goodness (which is never withheld from him who will receive it) gave thee strength of

to

do,

that

thou

is

didst rise,

humbly

trusting

in

My

/ confess to my Creator that my life mercy, and saying has indeed been passed in darkness but I will hide myself in :

,

the

Wounds of

Christ crucified,

Blood and so shall will

I

rejoice in

my

and

bathe myself in

His

my iniquities be consumed, and with desire Thou rememberest that then Creator!

the Devil fled, and, turning round to the opposite side, he endeavoured to inflate thee with pride, saying Thou art :

perfect

and pleasing

to

God, and there is no more need for lament thy sins. And once more

thee to afflict thyself or to

gave thee the light to see thy true path, namely, humi of thyself, and thou didst answer the Devil with * these words Wretch that I am, John the Baptist never sinned and was sanctified in his mother s womb. And I I

liation

:


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and have hardly begun to know contrition, seeing Who God is. Who is offended by me, and who I am, who offend Him. Then, the Devil, not being able to resist thy humble hope in My Cursed that thou art, for I can goodness, said to thee take no to thee. If I put thee down through confusion way find thou risest to Heaven on the wings of mercy, and if I raise thee on high, thou humblest thyself down to Hell, and when I go into Hell thou persecutes^ me, so that I will return to thee no have committed so

many

sins,

them with grief and true

:

,

The more, because thou strikest me with the stick of charity. should of season the herself with soul, therefore, knowledge the knowledge of My goodness, and then vocal prayer will be of use to the soul who makes it, and pleasing to Me, and she will arrive, from the vocal imperfect prayer, exer but if perfect mental prayer she simply aims at completing her tale, and, for vocal, abandons mental prayer, she will never arrive at it. Some times the soul will be so ignorant that, having resolved to cised with perseverance, at

;

say so many prayers vocally, and I, visiting her mind, sometimes in one way, and sometimes in another, in a flash of self-knowledge or of contrition for sin, sometimes in the broad ness of My charity, and sometimes by placing before her mind, in diverse ways, according to My pleasure and the desire of the soul, the presence of My Truth, she (the soul), in order to complete her tale, will abandon My visitation, that she feels, as it were, by conscience, rather than abandon that She should not do so, for, in so which she had begun. doing, she yields to a deception of the Devil.

The moment

her mind disposed by My visitation, in the many I have told thee, she should abandon vocal prayer ; ways visitation then, My past, if there be time, she can resume

she

feels

the vocal prayers which she had resolved to say, but if she has not time to complete them, she ought not on that account to be troubled or suffer annoyance and confusion of

mind of course provided that it were not the Divine office which clerics and religious are bound and obliged to say ;

under penalty of offending Me, for, they must, until death, But if they, at the hour appointed for say their office. feel their minds drawn and raised by should saying it, desire, they should so arrange as to

say

it

before or after


A TREATISE OF PRAYER

My

visitation, so that

not omitted.

But, in

i4p

the debt of rendering the office be any other case, vocal prayer should be

immediately abandoned for the said cause.

Vocal prayer, told will have enable the thee, way soul to arrive at perfection, and therefore she should not abandon it, but use it in the way that I have told thee.

made

in

And

that

the

so,

I

with exercise in perseverance, she will taste prayer

and the food of the Blood of My only-begotten and therefore I told thee that some communicated Son, with the Body and Blood of Christ, although not virtually sacramentally that is, they communicate in the affection of charity, which they taste by means of holy prayer, little or much, according to the affection with which they pray. They who proceed with little prudence and without method, taste little, and they who proceed with much, taste much. For the more the soul tries to loosen her affection from her self, and fasten it in Me with the light of the intellect, the more she knows and the more she knows, the more she Thou seest then, loves, and, loving much, she tastes much. in truth,

;

;

that perfect prayer is not attained to through many words, but through affection of desire, the soul raising herself to Me,

with knowledge of herself and of My mercy, seasoned the one with the other. Thus she will exercise together mental and vocal prayer, for, even as the active and contemplative life is one, so are they. Although vocal or mental prayer can be understood in many and diverse ways, for I have thee that a holy desire is a continual prayer, in thissense that a good and holy will disposes itself with desire to the occasion actually appointed for prayer in addition told

to

the

prayer of holy desire, wherefore vocal be made at the appointed time by the soul who

continual will

prayer remains firm in a habitual holy will, and will sometimes be continued beyond the appointed time, according as charity

commands

for the salvation of the neighbour, if the soul see be in need, and also her own necessities according to the state in which I have placed her. Each one, according

him

to

to his condition, ought to exert himself for the salvation of souls, for this exercise lies at the root of a holy will, and whatever he may contribute, by words or deeds, towards the

salvation of his neighbour,

is virtually

a prayer, although

it


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does not replace a prayer which one should make oneself at the appointed season, as My glorious standard-bearer Paul said, in the words, He who ceases not to work ceases not

to

pray?

It

was

for this reason that I told

thee that

prayer was made in many ways, that is, that actual prayer may be united with mental prayer if made with the affection of charity, which charity is itself continual prayer. I have now told thee how mental prayer is reached by exercise and

perseverance, and by leaving vocal prayer for mental when I have also spoken to thee of common the soul.

I visit

prayer, that is, of vocal prayer in general, made outside of ordained times, and of the prayers of good-will, and how

every exercise, whether performed, in oneself or in one s The enclosed soul neighbour, with good- will, is prayer. should therefore spur herself on with prayer, and when she

has arrived at friendly and

filial

love she does so.

Unless

the soul keep to this path, she will always remain tepid and and her neighbour in pro imperfect, and will only love which she finds in service." portion to the pleasure

Me

My

CHAPTER

LXVII.

Of the mistake which worldly men make who desire for their own consolation and delight. "

I

WISH

to tell thee

to serve

somewhat of imperfect

love,

who

love

.conceal from thee one snare, which those

God

and not

Me

for

I would have their own consolation alone, may fall into. know that who loves Me thee My servant, imperfectly, seeks

rather the consolation, on account of which he loves Me, than Myself, and it is to be observed that, when he fails to obtain either spiritual or temporal consolation, he is troubled. This often shows itself in regard to temporal consolation in

men

as they live

who

practise every act of virtue as long But when tribulation comes prosperously.

of the world,

upon them, which I send them for their good, they are disturbed, and do no longer that little good which they and if one should ask them, once did Why are you have received tribulaBecause we disturbed ? they reply, "

;

"

"


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good which we did seems to be almost we no longer do it with that heart and courage which we used to possess, on account of the tribulations which we have received, for it seems to us that we exerted ourselves more when our hearts were Such as these are deceived at rest than we do now." it for own is not true that tribulation their delight, by The works which causes them to love and work less. in the time of do tribulation are worth as much they tion,

and that

lost,

because

in

little

themselves as those which they did before in the time of they might indeed be worth more if the

consolation

;

But this comes to them because patience. in their own delighted prosperity, while they loved

murmurers had

Me they with but slight virtue, in order to pacify their conscience.

Being deprived of that on which they really rested, it seems them that the repose, in which they exerted themselves, is taken away from them, but it is not so, for it happens to them as to a man in a garden who, because he takes pleasure in the garden, finds peace of mind and repose in that is to say, that it seems to him that he working in it finds repose in his labours, but he is really all the time He reposing in the delight caused him by the garden. to

;

more delight in the garden than in his labours, because when the garden is taken away from him he feels himself deprived of the pleasure, for had his principal

takes

pleasure been placed in his labours he would not have lost For the exercise of it, but would have it still with him. well cannot be lost unless a man be willing to lose working

From such

as these the delight of prosperity, the as it were, in which they worked, has been taken garden, so that Therefore away, they have deceived themselves. it.

they deceive themselves in working for their

own

pleasure,

and acquire the habit of saying, I know that I did better and had more consolation before I was troubled than now, and I rejoiced in doing good, but now I take no delight therein." Their sight and their speech is false, because, if had had they delight in doing good for love of virtue, they would not have lost it, neither would it have failed, but rather increased. But it fails because their good works "


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were founded upon love of

ST.

CATHERINE

own

their

In this

consolation.

are people in general deceived in all their good works, that is, through love of their own consolation and of the

way

which they

delight

find in

Me.

CHAPTER How

God

the servants of

LXVIII.

are deceived

who go on

loving

God

in the aforesaid way.

who are still in the imperfect love, seek because of the affection they have towards the consolation and delight they find in Me, and because I am the Rewarder of every good which is done, great or small,

"

BUT

My

servants,

Me

and love

according to the measure of the love of him who receives the For this reason I give mental consolation during reward. the time of prayer, sometimes in one way and sometimes in I do not this in order that the soul ignorantly

another.

receive the consolation, that is, that she regard more the consolation than Me give it, but in order that she may regard the affection of My charity with which I give with which she receives it, more it, and the unworthiness

Who

than the delight of her own consolation. But if, ignorantly, she takes hold of the delight alone, without regarding My affection,

she will receive damage from

snares of which

by her own

I

will tell thee

consolation,

;

it

one being

and that,

fall

into

deceived

she seeks this consolation and

and

moreover, having at some former time experienced the consolation of My visitation in one way or another, she will endeavour to go back by the way which she has come, in order again to experience therein

delights

herself,

But I do not grant the consolation one way alone, which would appear as if I had but one way in which to do so, but I grant it in diverse ways, according as pleases My goodness, and But according to the need and the necessity of the soul. the soul, in her ignorance, will, nevertheless, seek My con solations in that way alone which she has experienced, thereby, as it were, imposing laws on the Holy Spirit. the of

same

My

consolation.

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She should not do so, but should pass on manfully by the doctrine of Christ crucified, receiving what it pleases My Goodness to give her, and in the manner, time and place

And if, nevertheless, I give not, it is and not through hatred, and that she may love through seek and love Me in truth, and not for her own delight,

that

I

choose.

receiving

delighting

My in

If she still goes on charity with humility. her own way and not in mine, when the

upon which she has fixed the eye of her intellect which alone she delights is taken from her, she will experience pain and intolerable confusion. Such as these, of whom I have spoken, desire to choose their own consolations in their own way, and so to go through life, and their ignorance is at times so great that, having imagined a particular consolation, and I, visiting them in any way except that of their imagination, they will A soul who would act resist Me and will not receive Me. thus is deceived by her own pleasure and spiritual delight, for it would be impossible to remain always in one state. She must either go forward to the virtues or turn right And neither could the mind remain stationary backwards. in the enjoyment of one delight alone without My Goodness object and in

"

Many are the kinds of delights increasing that delight. that I give to the soul sometimes the delight of a mental joyousness, sometimes of contrition and displeasure of and, at times, I may be in the soul and she will not feel or

I

may form My

Will, that

is,

My

Incarnate

self,

Me

;

Word, before

the eye of the intellect, and it will not seem to her that she experiences that heat and delight in the sentiment of her

At other times she will feel without any These various methods mental vision the greatest delight. I use through love to preserve her and to increase, in her, humility and perseverance, and to show her that she need soul at such a vision.

place no rules for me, nor seek her end in consolation, but only in virtue founded in Me, and to teach her with

humility to receive what I choose to give her in My own time and manner, and to believe, with lively faith, that I give her what I give, either for her own salvation or to

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She should then remain humble, making her beginning and end to be in My charity, and taking delight in this "

will and not according to charity alone, according to The only way not to be deceived is to receive hers. everything through love of Me, being rooted and grounded in My sweet Will."

My

CHAPTER Of

LXIX.

those who, in order not to lose their own peace of mind and consolations, do not succour their neighbour in his necessities.

how

who desire to taste own way, and now I wish to tell thee of the second mistake they make, who have placed all their delight in the receiving of mental consolation. They "

HAVE

I

told thee

and receive

Me

they are deceived

mentally in their

will ofttimes see their

neighbour in necessity, spiritual or

temporal, and they will not succour him, under pretence of virtue, saying, If I do so I shall lose my peace and quiet of or I shall not be able to say my Hours at the right time mind, For they think that if they receive no consolation, I am

thereby offended, but they are deceived by their own mental spiritual delight, for they offend Me more by not relieving their neighbour s necessity, than if they had abandoned all

and

those things whereby they receive consolation for all vocal and mental exercise is ordained by Me to bring the soul to perfect love of Me, and of the neighbour, and to preserve ;

her in this love. bour, a

man

Therefore, in failing in love to his neigh offends Me more than if he had abandoned his

ordinary exercise and lost his peace of mind

he would truly

;

and, moreover,

Me

in exercising love towards his neigh in bour, whereas, seeking delight in his own consolation, he

is

find

deprived of Me, for by not succouring his

immediately, his love

for,

him diminishes, and

neighbour

his love for

his neighbour diminishing, affection towards him also So diminishes, and thus is his consolation diminished too.

My

he That

that, thinking to gain,

to lose,

he gains.

loses, is,

and where he would think

being willing to lose his

own


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neighbour s salvation, he receives and neighbour too, succouring him and gains and tasting each time he does so, him charitably, serving the sweetness of My love. But, not doing so, he suffers that he will be obliged, either sometimes for it happens pain, consolation for his

Me, and

the

through love or force of circumstances, to help his neighbour some spiritual or corporal infirmity, and, doing it in this way, he does it with mental tedium, being pricked

either for

by conscience, and becomes insupportable to himself and to And should any one ask him others. Why dost thou He would / to have lost all seem this ? reply pain feel and that I used to do and mind, many quiet of things peace I have left off, and I think that thereby I have offended God. But he is mistaken. He has placed the vision of the eye of his intellect on his own delight alone, and therefore he dis cerns not, nor knows where his offence truly lies. Because, could he discern, he would see that his offence does not con :

:

not having his customary mental consolation, or in having abandoned the exercise of prayer in the time of his neighbour s need, but in having been found without true sist in

love for

his

neighbour,

through love of Me. So that thou seest "

of deceiving the

whom

how

he should love and serve

spiritual self-love alone is capable

soul."

CHAPTER LXX. Of the deception, which those

"

who have placed and mental visions.

all their

fall into,

affections in consolations

SOMETIMES, through such love as

this,

the soul receives even

more damage than if her affection is altogether placed in consolations and visions which I often give to My servants, for,

when she

feels herself

deprived of them, she

falls into

bitterness and tedium of mind, for it seems to her that she is deprived of grace, though I have only withdrawn Myself

from her mind by sentiment, and not by grace, as told thee that

I

I

have

often do, in order to bring the soul to per-


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So she falls into bitterness, and seems to herself to have entered into Hell, feeling no delight, but the molesta

fection.

She should not be so ignorant, tion of many temptations. nor allow herself to be so deceived by spiritual self-love ; but she does not know Me truly in herself, Who am her Supreme Good, preserving to her My goodwill in the time of battle, though she does not hasten to the warfare with She should rather humiliate herself, deeming her delight. self unworthy of peace and quiet of mind. For this purpose do I withdraw from her, so that she may humiliate herself and learn

My

charity in her, seeing the goodwill which I in the time of battle, and also that she may to her preserve

not only receive the milk of sweetness sprinkled by Me on the face of her soul, but that, clinging to the breast of My Truth, she may receive milk together with meat, that is, may draw to herself the milk of My charity, by means of the Flesh of Christ crucified; which is the Doctrine of which I have made for you a Bridge, by crossing which you arrive at

Me,

Who

have withdrawn Myself from you for this pur Wherefore, to souls who act with prudence, not

pose. ignorantly receiving the milk alone, I return with more delight and strength, with more light and ardour of charity. But if, on the other hand, they endure with tedium and sad -

ness and confusion of mind, the suffering caused them by the loss of mental sweetness, they gain but little, and remain in their

tepidity."

CHAPTER

LXXI.

How

it is possible for the aforesaid souls, who take delight in consolations and mental visions, to be deceived by the Devil in a form of light and how to know when a vision is from GOD, and ;

when from the "

Devil.

ANOTHER

souls

is,

delusion that the Devil often practises upon such that he transforms himself into a form of light.

For, seeing the soul to be disposed to desire and receive such a form, her mind being absorbed, and her desires placed


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and mental visions alone, (which should not

so, for the soul

should place her desires in virtue alone,

deeming herself unworthy of consolation), he transforms him self into a form of light in diverse ways, sometimes as an angel, and sometimes as My Truth, or as one of My saints, doing so in order to catch that soul with the hook of her own spiritual delight, which consists in visions and mental And if this soul does not rise above herself with pleasure. true humility, despising every delight, she will remain, caught by the hook, in the hands of the Devil ; but if she, with humility, disdaining the bait of delight, will bind her affec am the Giver, and not to the gift, she tions fast to Me,

Who

be released, for the Devil, on account of his pride, cannot bear a humble mind.

will

"

If

thou askest

from

Me how it is to Me or from the

be known whether a

Devil, I reply to thee the sign. If it is the Devil who has come into thy mind in a form of light, as has been said, to visit it, thou wilt suddenly feel in his coming great joyousness, but visitation

that this

is

is

as he stays

mind

will

within.

be

But

thou wilt gradually lose joyousness, and thy left in tedium or excitement, darkening thee if

the soul

is in

truth visited

by Me, Eternal

Truth, she will, in the first sensation, experience holy fear, and with this fear joy and security, with a sweet prudence, that in doubting does not doubt, the soul, deeming herself

unworthy, saying,

/ am

not worthy to receive

Thy

visita

tion, and, not being worthy, how can such a thing be ? But she will then turn to the broadness of charity, knowing and seeing that it is possible for Me to give, and

My

do not regard her unworthiness, but rather My makes her worthy to receive Me, worthiness, which in sentiment and she will see that I do not through grace, her desire when she calls to Me, and she will despise receive Behold thine handmaid. humbly Me, saying, Thy will be done in Me. And she will arise from her prayer and My visitation with joyousness, and will humbly that

I

;

rejoice in mind,

deeming herself unworthy, but, recognising with love her joyousness as coming from Me. "

This, then, that

I

have told thee,

is

the sign by which


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her visitation is of Me or of be of Me, her first sensation will be one of holy fear, her second, joyousness, and at the end she And if it be of will feel joy and hunger for the virtues.

the soul

may know whether

the Devil.

If

it

the Devil, the first sensation is joyousness, but the mind left in confusion and darkness.

is

I have thus shown thee a means by which the soul, if she will go humbly and with prudence, cannot be deceived, which she will be if she tries to navigate herself by means of her own imperfect love of consolations, rather than by "

love of Me, as

I

have told

thee."

CHAPTER How

the soul

who all

"

I

truly knows herself, wisely guards against the aforesaid deceptions.

HAVE not wanted

common

LXXII.

to

conceal from thee the deception

receive through sensitive love, through the small good which they practise, that is to say, through that little virtue which they exercise in times of spiritual that

folk

consolation, or the spiritual self-love which

have

own

consolations, and selves with the self-love of delight, in their

know

My

servants

how

they deceive them which does not let them

My affection, nor discern their own and the deception which the Devil practises on them, through their own fault, if they keep not the way which I And all these things I have told thee, so have told thee. that thou and My servants may walk in virtue, through love of Me, and nothing else. But they who love Me with imperfect love, that is, who love Me for My gifts and not for Myself, Who am the Giver, fall into all these perils and But the soul who has in truth entered the deceptions. the truth of

guilt,

House

of Self-Knowledge, and, by the exercise of perfect has raised herself from the imperfect love of imperfect prayer, by the means of which I speak to thee in prayer,

this Treatise

on Prayer, receives Me, through

affection

of


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to herself the milk of

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My

sweetness

And from the breast of the doctrine of Christ crucified. when these souls have attained to the third state, that is, to friendly and filial love, they have no longer any mercenary For, as the eye love, but they act as do very dear friends. of one, on being given a present by his friend, does not turn to the

gift

alone but also to the heart of the giver,

receiving and keeping the present for the sake of the affection which gave it, so the soul, who has attained to

the third state of perfect love, when she receives My gifts and graces, looks not only at the gifts, but, with the eye of her intellect, looks at the affection of charity of Me, the Giver. And, in order that she may have no excuse for

not doing so, in My Providence I have united the Gift with the Giver, that is, the Divine nature with the human nature,

Son,

by at

I gave you the Word of My only- begotten one thing with Me and I with Him. So that, union, you cannot look at the Gift without looking

when

Who

this

is

Thou seest then with how great affec thou shouldest love and desire both Gift and Giver.

Me, the Giver.

tion

Doing thus your love is

the love of those

will

be pure and not mercenary, as barred up in the House of

who remain

Self-Knowledge."

CHAPTER

LXXIII.

Of the method by which the soul separates herself from imperfect love, and attains to perfect love, friendly and filial.

have shown thee in many ways how the soul raises herself from imperfection and attains to perfection, which she does after she has attained to friendly and filial "

HITHERTO

I

thee that she arrives at perfect love by means of perseverance, barring herself into the House of Self-

love.

I

tell

Knowledge, which knowledge of self requires to be seasoned with knowledge of Me, lest it bring the soul to confusion, for it would cause the soul to hate her own sensitive But pleasure and the delight of her own consolations.


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from this hatred, founded in humility, she will draw patience, with which she will become strong against the attacks of the Devil, against the persecutions of man, and towards Me, when, for her good, I withdraw delight from her mind.

And

if her sensuality, through malevolence, should lift its head against reason, the judgment of conscience should rise

y

against it, and, with hatred of it, hold out reason against it, not allowing such evil emotions to get by it. Though sometimes the soul who lives in holy hatred corrects and

reproves herself, not only for those things that are against reason, but also for things that in reality come from Me, which is what My sweet servant S. Gregory meant, when

he said that a holy and pure conscience made sin where was no sin, that is, that through purity of conscience, it saw sin where there was no sin. "Now the soul who wishes to rise above imperfection should await My Providence in the House of Self-Know there

ledge, with

the

light

of

faith,

as did the disciples,

who

the house in perseverance and in watching, in humble and continual prayer, awaiting the coming

remained in

and

of the Holy Spirit. She should remain fasting and watch ing, the eye of her intellect fastened on the doctrine of

My

Truth, and she will become humble because she will

know true

herself in

humble and continual prayer and holy and

desire."

CHAPTER LXXIV. Of the

signs

by which the soul knows she has arrived at perfect love.

IT now remains to be told thee how it can be seen that souls have arrived at perfect love. This is seen by the same sign that was given to the holy disciples after they "

had received the Holy Spirit, when they came forth from the house, and fearlessly announced the doctrine of My Word,

My only-begotten Son, not fearing pain, but rather glory ing therein. They did not mind going before the tyrants of


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the world, to announce to them the truth, for the glory and So the soul, who has awaited Me in praise of My Name.

self-knowledge as I have told thee, receives Me, on My return to her, with the fire of charity, in which charity, while still remaining in the house with perseverance, she conceives the virtues by affection of love, participating in My power ; with which power and virtues she overrules and

conquers her own sensitive passions, and through which charity she participates in the wisdom of My Son, in which she sees and knows, with the eye of her

intellect,

My Truth

and the deceptions of spiritual self-love, that is, the imperfect love of her own consolations, as has been said, and she

knows

and deceit of the devil, which he practises on those souls who are bound by that imperfect love. She therefore arises, with hatred of that imperfection and with love of perfection, and, through this charity, which is of the Holy Spirit, she participates in His will, fortifying also the malice

own to be willing to suffer pain, and, coming out of the house through My Name, she brings forth the virtues on her neighbour. Not that by coming out to bring forth the virtues, I mean that she issues out of the House of Selfher

Knowledge, but that, in^the time of the neighbour s necessity she loses that fear of being deprived of her own consolations, and so issues forth to give birth to those virtues which she has conceived through affection of love. The souls, who have thus come forth, have reached the fourth state, that is, from the third state, which is a perfect state, in which they

and give birth to it on their neighbours, they have arrived at the fourth state, which is one of perfect union with Me. The two last-mentioned states are united, that is to say, one cannot be without the other, for there cannot be love of Me, without love of the neighbour, nor love of the neighbour without love of Me." taste charity


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CHAPTER LXXV. How

they who are imperfect desire to follow the Father alone, but they who are perfect desire to follow the Son. And of a vision, which this holy soul had, concerning diverse baptisms, and of

many

As

other beautiful and useful things.

have

told thee, these latter have issued forth from which is a sign that they have arisen from imperfection and arrived at perfection. Open the eye of thy intellect and see them running by the Bridge of the doctrine of Christ crucified, which was their rule, way and doctrine. They place none other before the eye of their intellect than Christ crucified, not the Father, as they do who are in imperfect love and do not wish to suffer pain, But but only to have the delight which they find in Me. they, as if drunken with love and burning with it, have gathered together and ascended the three steps, which I figured to thee as the three powers of the soul, and also the "

I

the house,

three actual steps, figured to thee as in the Body of My only Son, Christ crucified, by which steps the soul, as I told thee, ascended, first climbing to the Feet, with the feet of

the soul s affection, from thence arriving at the Side, where she found the secret of the Heart and knew the baptism of water, which has virtue through the Blood, and where I dispose the soul to receive grace, uniting and kneading her Where did the soul know of this together in the Blood.

her dignity, in being kneaded and united with the Blood of the

Lamb, receiving the grace in Holy Baptism, in virtue of the Blood ? In the Side, where she knew the fire of divine

Charity, and so, if thou remember well, fested to thee, when thou askedst, saying

Truth mani Sweet and Thy side was

My

Immaculate Lamb, Thou opened. Why Thy heart divided ?

then didst

that

part

My

wen dead when Thou want to be struck and have

And He

replied to thee, telling thee for it ; but the principal He said Because thee.

was occasion enough of what He said I will tell there

desire towards the

:

human

:

generation was ended, and

I


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had finished the actual work of bearing pain and torment, and yet I had not been able to show, by finite things, because My love was infinite, how much more love I had, I wished thee to see the secret of the Heart, showing it to thee open, so that thou mightest see how much more I loved than I could show thee by finite pain. I poured from it Blood and Water, to show thee the baptism of water, which is I also showed the baptism received in virtue of the Blood. of love in two ways, first in those who are baptised in their blood, shed for Me, which has virtue through My Blood, even if they have not been able to have Holy Baptism, and also in those who are baptised in fire, not being able to have Holy Baptism, but desiring it with the affec tion of love. There is no baptism of fire without the Blood, because the Blood is steeped in and kneaded with the

fire

of Divine charity, because, through love was It is yet another way by which the soul receives

There

shed.

the baptism of Blood, speaking, as it were, under a figure, this way the Divine charity provided, knowing the infirmity and fragility of man, through which he offends,

and

is obliged, through his fragility and infirmity, to sin unless he wish to do so ; but, falling, as he will,

not that he

commit

by which he loses the grace which he drew from Holy Baptism in virtue of the Blood, it was necessary to leave a continual baptism of Blood. This the Divine charity provided in the Sacrament of Holy

into the guilt of mortal sin,

Confession, the soul receiving the Baptism of Blood, with contrition of heart, confessing,

when

able, to

My

ministers,

who

hold the keys of the Blood, sprinkling It, in absolu tion, upon the face of the soul. But, if the soul be unable to confess, contrition of heart is sufficient for this baptism, the

hand

of

My

precious Blood. to

do

so,

and

if

deprived of the

clemency giving you the fruit of this But if you are able to confess, I wish you you are able to, and do not, you will be

fruit

of the Blood.

It

is

true that, in the

extremity, a man, desiring to confess and not being able to, will receive the fruit of this baptism, of which I last

have been speaking.

But

let

arrange his deeds, that, in the

no one be so mad as so to hope of receiving it, he puts


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off confessing until the last extremity of death,

when he may

not be able to do so.

In which case, it is not at all certain Thou that I shall not say to him, in My Divine Justice didst not remember Me in the time of thy life, when thou :

1

now will I not remember thee in thy death. Thou seest then that these Baptisms, which you should

couldest, "

all

receive until the last

moment, are

continual,

and though

works, that is the pains of the Cross were finite, the fruit of them which you receive in Baptism, through Me, are infinite. This is in virtue of the infinite Divine nature,

My

united with the finite

human

nature,

which human nature

endures pain in Me, the Word, clothed with your humanity. But because the one nature is steeped in and united with the other,

which

I

Eternal Deity drew to Himself the pain, much fire and love. And therefore

the

suffered with so

My

can this operation be called infinite, not that pain, neither the actuality of the body be infinite, nor the pain of the desire that I had to complete your redemption, because

was terminated and finished on the Cross, when the Soul was separated from the Body but the fruit, which came out it

;

of the pain and desire for your salvation, is infinite, and therefore you receive it infinitely. Had it not been infinite, to

human

generation could not have been restored neither the past, the present, nor the future. manifested in the opening of My Side, where is

the whole grace,

This I found the secret of the Heart, showing that I loved more I showed to thee that than I could show, with finite pain.

My

love

was

infinite.

united with the

fire

How*?

By

My

charity,

of

the Baptism of Blood, and by the general

baptism, given to Christians, and to whomsoever will receive it, and by the baptism of water, united with the Blood and the fire, wherein the soul is steeped. And, in

order to out of

show

My

to thee)

this,

Side.

it

was necessary for the Blood to come I have shown thee (said My Truth

Now

what thou askedst of

Me."


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CHAPTER LXXVI. How the

having mounted the third step of the holy Bridge, having arrived at the Mouth, at once makes use of it and how the death of self-will is the true sign that the soul has that

soul,

is,

arrived there. "

Now

I

say to thee, that all this, which I have just narrated thou knowest, in the person of My Truth, was nar

to thee, as

rated to thee, so that thou mightest know the excellence of the state of that soul, who has ascended the second step, where

she learns and acquires so much fire of love, and from whence she immediately runs to the third, that is, to the Mouth, which proves her to have arrived at the perfect state. Through what did she pass ? Through the midst of the Heart, that is the Blood, wherein she was re-baptised, leaving

imperfect

drew from the

love,

through the knowledge that she and proving the

cordial love, seeing, tasting

My chanty. Such, then, have arrived at the Mouth, and they show by taking the office of the mouth. The mouth speaks by

fire

of

"

it

means of the tongue, which is in the mouth, and tastes by means of the palate, giving to the stomach what the mouth retains and which has been chewed by the teeth to make it fit

to be

swallowed.

The

soul does likewise.

First she

speaks to me, with the tongue, which is in the mouth of holy desire, that is to say, the tongue of holy and continual prayer.

This tongue speaks actually and mentally, mentally Me sweet and amorous desires for the salvation and actually announcing the doctrine of My Truth,

offering to

of souls,

admonishing, counselling, confessing without fear of any I say that she eats, pain which the world may cause her. of the food for souls, taking My honour, on the table of the Cross, and on no other table and in no other way She then chews with could she eat perfectly and in truth. the teeth of hatred and love

;

that

is,

hatred of vice and love

of virtue, which are the two rows of teeth in the mouth of holy desire, for otherwise she would not be able to swallow the food of souls.


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She chews,

I

ST.

CATHERINE

say, for the sake of the salvation of souls,

villainies, reproofs and persecutions, enduring and cold and heat, painful desires and tears thirst, hunger and sweat, and she chews them all for My honour, bearing and supporting her neighbour. She then tastes the relish of the fruit of toil and the delight of the food of souls, in fire of My love and that of her neighbour. The food then reaches the stomach, that is, the stomach of the heart, which, by desire and the soul s hunger, is disposed to receive it, with cordial love and delight and affection for the neigh bour. Delighting in the food, the stomach of the heart it heaps up by the aforesaid process, and loses corporal

insults,

hunger, becoming able to take the food of the table of the of Christ crucified. The soul fattens on the

doctrine

royal and true virtues, and swells so greatly through the abundance of her food that her clothing of sensuality, that is to say her body, which covers the soul, bursts, and the body that bursts is dead; thus is the sensitive will of the soul dead, but the spiritual will is living, clothed in My eternal Will. Now this death of the sensitive will, after the soul had

eaten of the affection of it is

known,

My

charity, is the sign, by which has arrived at the third

in truth, that the soul

And in the Mouth she found Mouth. and nothing can disturb her peace and quiet, quiet, because her sensitive will is dead. They who have arrived step,

that

is

the

peace and

at this step, bring forth the virtues upon their neighbour without pain, not because pain is no longer painful to them, but because, their sensitive will being dead, they voluntarily

bear pain for My sake. They run without negligence, by doctrine of Christ the crucified, and slacken not their pace of the account on persecutions, injuries or pleasures of the world.

these things, with fortitude and the affection of affection, clothed in

They pass by

perseverance,

their

all

and eating the food of souls with true and perfect patience, which patience is a sign that the soul is in charity,

of self. perfect love, loving without any consideration for and her own her For did she love neighbour profit,

Me

she would, in impatience, slacken her steps, but, loving Me, Who am the Supreme Being and worthy to be loved, she


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loves herself and her neighbour through Me alone, caring only for the glory and praise of My name, which causes

her to be patient and strong to suffer, and

CHAPTER Of the works

persevering."

LXXVII.

of the soul after she has ascended the

aforesaid holy step.

THE

three glorious virtues which crown

the soul who, has attained to the faith, summit of this charity, are Patience, Fortitude, and Perse verance, and, in the light of the most holy faith, she now runs the way of the truth without darkness, and is so raised on high by holy desire, that no one can offend her, neither the devil, with his temptations, because he fears the soul burning in the furnace of holy charity, nor men with their injuries and detractions, for, though the world may persecute her, it fears her, and such trials as the devil or the world "

with the light of the most holy

permit in My Goodness, and, because she makes herself small through humility, I fortify her and

may

cause her,

make her in I

I

great before the world.

My saints,

have made them

As

thou hast seen well

sake, made themselves small, and great in eternal life and in the mystic

who, for

My

My Holy Church, where mention is always made of them, because their names are written in the Book of Life, and the world holds them in reverence, because they Such as they hide not their virtue through despised it. body of

fear,

their

but through humility, and, if their neighbour needs not hide themselves for fear of service, they do

trouble or of losing their own consolation, but they serve him manfully not caring what they lose thereby themselves.

And

in whatever way they use their life and time in My honour, they rejoice, finding for themselves peace and quiet of mind. Why is it thus with them ? Because they do

not choose to serve

Me

in their

way, but

in

for that reason, times of consolation appear to

My

way, and,

them as heavy


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as times of tribulation, and the time of prosperity as that of The one seems to them the same as the other, adversity.

because in everything they see My will, and they think of nothing except of conforming themselves in every time and They have seen that nothing is made place to My will. without Me, and that all, except sin, is made with mystery

and Divine Providence, therefore, except sin which they Their will is hate, they hold everything in reverence. therefore firm and stable, and they go on by the way of truth, and do not slacken their pace, helping their neighbour, without regarding his ignorance and ingratitude, and caring not for the injuries and reproofs of the vicious, but rather crying before My Face in prayer for them, grieving more for the injury they do Me, and the damnation of their soul, than for their own annoyance. They say with glorious Paul, My standard bearer The world curses us and we bless, it persecutes us and we return thanks, we are swept away as the dirt and refuse of the world and we endure patiently? So, most delightful daughter, thou seest the sweet signs, and above all other signs, the virtue of patience, by which the soul shows herself in truth, to have arisen from imperfection and attained to perfect love, following the sweet and im maculate Lamb, My only-begotten Son, Who, being on the Cross, held by the nails of love, did not draw back on Descend from account of the taunts of the Jews who said the Cross and we will believe Thee} and neither did He draw back for your ingratitude, and not persevere in the obedience which I had imposed upon Him, but He endured with so much patience, that no cry of murmuring was heard from :

(

:

Him.

way do my most delightful sons, and faithful the doctrine and example of follow Truth, and servants, back from the turn not do following plough, because they the world would withdraw them by flattery or threats, but "

In a like

My

they fix their eyes on My Truth alone. Such as they would not want to leave the field of battle in order to don the garment of peace and remain at home, but would rather

want

to flee creatures

They

will stand

and pleasures than Me,

with delight in the

field

their Creator.

of battle, drunk


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in

the tavern of the church of

161

crucified,

My

which

is

charity, to give

who would be

true knights, and fight against and own their sensuality fragile flesh, against the world and the devil, with the knife of hatred of vice and the knife of the love of virtue, which knife of love is a weapon that life to

those

parries all sin, and which the enemy cannot take from them, unless they voluntarily take off their armour, surrendering the knife of the said love into the enemy s hand. They who

are inebriated with the Blood would not do thus, but they would rather manfully persevere until death, when all their

enemies "

O

will

be discomfited.

glorious virtues

!

how

pleasing they are to Me, and eyes of the

how, in the world, they shine in the darkened ignorant, who cannot participate in the light of

My servants

!

who

persecute My servants, shines the clemency which the persecuted ones have for the salvation of their tormentors ; in their envy shines the

In the hatred of those

broadness of charity, and in their cruelty, pity for they are cruel to themselves ; in injury shines Queen Patience, who is supreme over all the virtues, because she is the mirror of charity.

She shows up

in

review the virtues of

shows whether they are founded by Me, in She conquers and is never conquered. She is accompanied by Perseverance and Fortitude, as I have told thee, and when she comes out of the battle-field and

the soul, and truth or not.

returns with victory to the house, to Me, Eternal Father, Rewarder of every toil, she receives the Crown of

the

Glory."

CHAPTER Of the

LXXVIII.

fourth state, which is, nevertheless, not separated from the and of the works of the soul who has arrived at this state,

third,

and how she

is

never

left

by

GOD, Who

remains with her in

continual sentiment.

Now I have told thee how it is to be seen that souls have arrived at the perfection of love, friendly and filial

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do not want to conceal from thee how great is the which they taste Me, though they are still in This is because, having arrived at the the mortal body. I

delight with

third state, they acquire the fourth, which, however, is not separated from the third, but is united with it, and the one cannot be without the other, except in the same way as love

of

Me

can be without love of the neighbour.

A

fruit

that

arises from this third condition of the soul s perfect union

with Me, wherein she acquires fortitude, is that, not only does she bear with patience, but she anxiously desires to suffer Such as these pain for the glory and praise of My Name. glory in the shame of My standard-bearer:

shame of Christ forbid that

I

My

only-begotten Son, as said Paul,

I glory in and crucified

should glory save

/ bear

tribulations, and in in another place in Christ crucified

the

God and

My

body the stigmata of Christ crucified} Such as these, I say, as if enamoured of My honour, and famished for the food of souls, run to the table of the Most

again

Holy Cross, service

of

in

willing to suffer pain and endure much for the the neighbour, and desiring to preserve and

acquire the virtues, bearing in their body the stigmata of Christ crucified, causing the crucified love which is theirs

and delighted endurance of the shames and vexations on every side. To these, My most dear sons, trouble is a pleasure, and pleasure and every consolation that the world would offer them, are a toil, and not only the consolation that the ser

to shine, being visible through self-contempt

vants of the world, by My dispensation, are constrained to give them, in reverence and in compassion of their corporal necessities,

out

also

the mental

consolation which they

Even this they They do not despise through humility and self-hatred. despise consolation itself, which is my gift and grace, but receive

from

Me, the

Eternal

Father.

only the pleasure which the soul s appetite finds therein. And this they do through the virtue of true humility, obtained through holy self- hatred, which is the nurse and nourisher of love, and has been acquired through true knowledge of themselves and of Me. Wherefore, as thou seest, the virtues

and wounds of Christ

crucified

shine in


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and souls.

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Such as these do not

feel

any

separation from Me, as happens in the case of others, of whom I have told thee, namely, that I would leave them,

not by grace, but by feeling, afterwards returning to them I do not act thus to these most perfect ones who again. have arrived at the great perfection, and are entirely dead

own will, but I remain continually both by grace and feeling in their souls, so that at any time that they wish they can unite their minds to Me, through love. They can in no way be separated from My love, for, by love, they have arrived at so close a union. Every place is to them their conver an oratory, every moment a time for prayer sation has ascended from earth to heaven that is to say, they have cut off from themselves every form of earthly affection and sensual self-love, and have risen alone them to their

selves into the very height of heaven, having climbed the and mounted the three Steps which

staircase of the virtues

I figured to thee, in the Body of My Son. On the first step the feet of their affection are divested of the love of vice ; on the second they taste the secret love of the

Heart, where they can see desire of virtue; on the third, the step of purity and peace of mind, they find in them selves the virtues, and, rising above imperfect love, they

For they have found rest to Truth, having found both Table and Food and Server, which Food they taste, through the doctrine of Christ crucified, My only- begotten Son. I am their Bed and Board, and My sweet and amorous Word is their Food, for they eat the Bread of souls in the

attain the great perfection. their souls in the doctrine of

My

person of this glorious Word, for I give Him to you, that His Flesh and Blood, wholly GOD and wholly man, in

is

the Sacrament of the Altar, by My Goodness, while you are still pilgrims and wayfarers, so that you may not slacken

your pace through faintness, or lose the memory of the benefits of the Blood, shed for you with so much fire of love, and may always be able to comfort and delight your selves while on your journey. The Holy Spirit serves these souls, for ministers

to

He

is

the affection of

them both

gifts

My

and graces.

charity

which

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Servant both fetches and

ST.

carries,

CATHERINE to

Me

their painful but

sweetly amorous desires, and to them the fruit of the Divine Love, and of their labours, so that they feed on the sweetness of My charity, so that, as thou seest, I am the

My Son is the Food, and the Holy Spirit pro ceeding from Me, the Father, and from Him, the Son, is the Table, and Server.

Thou

seest,

then,

that

they always

feel

Me

in

and the more they have despised trouble, taking pleasure in it and desiring it, the more completely have they passed beyond it and acquired delight, because their ardent souls are enflamed with My love, wherein their will is consumed. The devil fears the rod of their charity, and the world strikes the their minds,

by sentiment as well as by grace

;

outside of their bodies to hurt them, but to its own injury, because the arrow, which cannot find a place to enter, returns against him who sent it. For when the world hurls the darts of injuries, persecutions and murmurings against My most perfect servants, there is no joint in their harness for them to enter by, the garden of their soul being walled up, so that the dart returns against him who hurled it, poisoning his own sin. Thou seest, then, way be attacked through the body,

him with the venom of that the soul can in no

but remains both blessed and

sorrowful.

Sorrowful for

the sake of her neighbour s sin, and blessed through the Such union of love with Me which she enjoys in herself.

as these follow the Immaculate Lamb, My only-begotten Son, Who was both blessed and sorrowful on the Cross.

He was

sorrowful in that

He

bore the cross of the Body,

suffering pain and the cross of desire, in order to satisfy for the guilt of the human race, and He was blessed, be cause the Divine nature, though united with the human,

could suffer no pain, but always kept His Soul in a state of blessedness, being revealed without a veil to her, so that He was both blessed and sorrowful, for, while the

Deity nor the superior part above the intellect, could suffer.

flesh endured, neither the

the soul, which

is

of

these, My sons of delight, who have arrived at the and fourth states, are sorrowful, for they carry both a that is to say, they bear physical and a mental Cross "

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pain in their bodies according to My permission, and in their mind, the cross of desire, for they are tortured by

sorrow

at the offence

done

to

Me, and the

loss

of their

Yet I say to thee that they are blessed, be neighbour. cause the delight of charity which makes them so, cannot be taken

away from them.

Their

grief, then,

cannot be called

sorrow, but rather fattening, for the soul is fattened by her love, and virtues are augmented and fortified by Their trouble fattens them and does not afflict trouble.

afflicting

them, because no trouble can draw them out of the fire of My love. These souls, thrown into the furnace of My

no part of their will remaining outside, but the whole of them being enflamed in Me, are like a brand, wholly consumed in the furnace, so that no one can take hold of it In the same to extinguish it, because it has become fire. no one can seize these souls or draw them outside of way, with Me because are made one Me, through they thing grace, and I never withdraw Myself from them by sentiment, as in the case of those who I am leading on to perfection. For, with souls who have arrived at perfection, I play no more the Game of Love, which consists in leaving and returning again to the soul, though thou must understand that it is not, properly speaking, I, the immoveable GOD, charity,

Who

thus illude them, but rather the sentiment that charity gives them of Me."

My

CHAPTER LXXIX. How GOD

does not withdraw Himself from the aforesaid perfect ones by sentiment or by grace, but how He withdraws the union of Himself from them.

I HAVE said, that, from these pertect ones, I never with draw by sentiment. But, in another way, I depart from them, for the soul, being bound in the body, is not sufficient continually to receive that union which I make with her. And because she is not sufficient, I withdraw Myself, not by sentiment or by grace, but by that union which I "


166

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make with

For souls, arising with anxious desire, her. with run, virtue, by the Bridge of the doctrine of Christ up their minds in and burning with the fire of love Me, the Eternal Deity, Who am to them a

crucified,

and arrive

Me, and

in the Blood,

at the gate, lifting

they taste in Sea Pacific, with

Whom the soul has made so great union, no movement except in Me. And, being yet mortal, they taste the good of the immortals, and having yet the weight of the body, they receive the joy of the Wherefore oftentimes, through the perfect union spirit. which the soul has made with Me, she is raised from the earth almost as if the heavy body became light. But this does not mean that the heaviness of the body is taken away, but that the union of the soul with Me is more perfect than the union of the body with the soul ; wherefore the strength of the spirit, united with Me, raises the weight of the body from the earth, leaving it as if immovable and all pulled to pieces in the affection of the soul. Thou rememberest to have heard it said of some creatures, that were it not for My Goodness, in seeking strength for them, they would not be able to live, and I would tellthee, that, in the fact that the souls of some do not that she has

leave their bodies, is to be seen a greater miracle, than in the fact that some have arisen from the dead, so great is the union which they have with Me.

I,

therefore,

sometimes

for a space, withdraw from the union, making the soul return to the vessel of her body, that is, to the sentiment of the

body, from which she was separated though the affection From the body she did not depart, because that of love.

cannot be, except

in death, the bodily powers alone departed, to Me, through affection of love. united The becoming but the is full of nothing Me, memory intellect, elevated,

gazes upon the object of My Truth ; the affection, which follows the intellect, loves and becomes united with that which the intellect sees. These powers, being united and gathered together and immersed and inflamed in Me, the body loses so that the seeing eye sees not, and the hearing

its feeling,

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the heart and the praise and glory of

alleviation of

My

Name. "The

the

hand does not touch and the feet walk not, because are bound with the sentiment of love, and as,

members

were, contrary to all their natural functions, cry to Me the Eternal Father for the separation of the soul from the body, as did My glorious Paul, saying, Oh wretched man that lam,

it

Me from this body ? for I feel within Me a law which wars against the Spirit. Paul was not perverse to the of senses the referring warring against Spirit, from which he knew he was secured by My words My grace is who

will separate

:

Why

sufficient for then, did he utter those words ? Because he found himself bound in the vessel of the body, thee.

which is to

for a space of time

impeded his vision of Me, that eyes were bound so as not

say, that, until death, his

to be able to see

Me, the Eternal Trinity,

Who am

in

who

render praise and he found himself in the

the sight of the Blessed Immortals,

Whereas glory to My name. midst of mortals who always offend

Me, deprived of the of that is of Me in Essence. Not that he Me, sight My and My other servants see Me not in the virtue of Charity in diverse

they see

ways, according as pleases My Goodness, but not in Essence. But every vision, which the

Me

soul, while it is in the mortal body, receives of Me is a darkness compared to that sight which the soul has who is separated from the body. So that it seemed to Paul that the bodily vision warred against the vision of the

and that the feeling of the grossness of the human body impeded the intellectual eye, not allowing him to see Me face to face, and it seemed to him that his will was so bound that he could not love as he wanted to love, for

Spirit,

every love in

this

life,

until

it

reaches

its

perfection,

is

Not that the love of Paul and of My other imperfect. servants was imperfect in grace and in charity, because it was perfect, but it was imperfect in that it had not satis faction, which gave him pain, for, had his desire been filled with that which he loved, he would have felt no pain. But the soul,

who

is

separated from the body, has her desire filled, She is satisfied, the tedium of pain.

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Her being far from her, and the pain of hunger. firm stable in the and filled, and she is Me, Truth, so that she can desire nothing which she has not. Desiring satiety,

vessel is

Me, she sees

Me

face to face, desiring to see the glory and saints, she sees them in the

praise of My Name in angelic as well as in the

My

human

nature."

CHAPTER LXXX. How

worldly people render glory and praise to they will or no.

GOD,

whether

AND so perfect is her vision that she sees the glory and Name, not so much in the angelic nature as praise of in the human, for, whether worldly people will or no, they "

My

render glory and praise to My Name, not that they do so in the way they should, loving Me above everything, but that My mercy shines in them, in that, in the abundance of My I give them time, and do not order the earth to I even open and swallow them up on account of their sins. wait for them, and command the earth to give them of her fruits, the sun to give them light and warmth, and the sky And in all things created and made to move above them. for them, I use My charity and mercy, withdrawing neither I even give on account of their sins. equally to the sinner and the righteous man, and often more to the sinner than

charity,

man, because the righteous man is able toendure privation, and I take from him the goods of the world that he may the more abundantly enjoy the goods of So that in worldly men My mercy and charity heaven. shine, and they render praise and glory to My Name, even to the righteous

when they

persecute My servants ; for they prove in them the virtues of patience and charity, causing them to suffer

humbly and offer to Me their persecutions and turning them into My praise and glory. "So

injuries,

thus

whether they will or no, worldly people render praise and glory, even when they intend to infamy and wrong." that,

to

My Name

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CHAPTER LXXXI. How

even the devils render glory and praise to

GOD.

SINNERS, such as those of whom I have just spoken, are placed in this life in order to augment virtues in My servants, as the devils are in Hell as My justitiars and augmentors "

of

My

Glory

that

;

is,

and the

the damned,

instruments of justice towards augmentors of My Glory in My

my

are wayfarers creatures, who to reach Me, their End. journey

and

on

pilgrims

They augment

their

in

them

ways, exercising them with many and vexations, causing them to injure one temptations and take one another s property, and not for the another them receive injury or be deprived of motive of making the virtues in diverse

But their property, but only to deprive them of charity. in thinking to deprive servants, they fortify them, prov ing in them the virtues of patience, fortitude, and perse

My

Thus they render

verance.

and

My

Truth

for the praise

is fulfilled in

praise and glory to Name, them, which Truth created them

My

and glory of Me, Eternal Father, and that they

might participate

in

My

in their pride, they fell

beauty.

and

But, rebelling against

lost their vision of

Me

Me, where

Me glory through the affection of Eternal Truth, have placed them as instruments to exercise My servants in virtue in this life and as justitiars fore they rendered not to

love,

and

to those

So thou

I,

who go, for their sins, to the pains of Purgatory. seest that Truth is fulfilled in them, that is, that

they render

My

Me

glory, not as citizens of they are deprived by their sins, but as festing justice

tory."

life eternal,

My

of which

justitiars,

upon the damned, and upon those

in

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CHAPTER

ST.

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LXXXII.

How

the soul, after she has passed through this life, sees fully the praise and glory of My Name in everything, and, though, in her the pain of desire is ended, the desire is not.

41

THUS

in all things created, in all rational creatures,

the devils

can see

it

is

?

seen the glory and praise of

The

soul

who

is

My

and

Name.

in

Who

denuded of the body and

has reached Me, her End, sees

it clearly, and, in seeing, the Eternal Seeing Me, Father, she loves, and loving, she is satisfied. Satisfied, she knows the Truth,

knows the

truth.

will is stayed in My Will, bound and made stable, so that in nothing can it suffer pain, because it has that which it desired to have, before the soul saw Me, namely,

and her

the glory and praise of it

completely in

My

My

Name.

She now,

saints, in the blessed

in truth, sees

spirits,

and

in all

creatures and things, even in the devils, as I told thee. And although she also sees the injury done to Me, which before

caused her sorrow, it no longer now can give her pain, but only compassion, because she loves without pain, and prays to Me continually with affection of love, that I will have

mercy on the world.

Pain in her is ended, but not love, as the tortured desire, which My Word, the Son, had borne from the beginning when I sent Him into the world, termi nated on the Cross in His painful death, but His love

no.

For had the affection of My charity, which I shewed you by means of Him, been terminated and ended then, you would not be, because by love you are made, and had My love been drawn back, that is, had I not loved your being, you could not be, but My love created you, and My love possesses you, because I am one thing with My Truth, and Thou seest then, that He, the Word Incarnate with Me. the saints and every soul in Eternal Life have desire for the salvation of souls without pain, because pain ended in their death, but not so the affection of love. Thus, as if drunk with the Blood of the Immaculate "

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through the Narrow Gate, bathed in the Blood of Christ crucified, and they find themselves in Me, the Sea Pacific, raised from imperfection, far from satiety, and arrived at per fection, satisfied

by every

good."

CHAPTER

LXXXIII.

How

after Saint Paul was drawn to the glory of the blessed, he desired to be loosened from the body, as they do, who have reached the aforesaid third and fourth states.

"

PAUL, then, had seen and tasted

him up

this good,

when

I

drew

into the third heaven, that is into the height of the

where he tasted and knew My Truth, receiving fully Holy Spirit, and learning the doctrine of My Truth, the Word Incarnate. The soul of Paul was clothed, through feeling and union, in Me, Eternal Father, like the blessed ones in Eternal Life, except that his soul was not separated from his body, except through this feeling and union. But it being pleasing to My Goodness to make of him a vessel of Trinity,

the

election in the abyss of Me, Eternal Trinity,

I

dispossessed

him of Myself, because on Me can no pain fall, and I wished him to suffer for My name therefore I placed before him, ;

as an object for the eyes of his intellect, Christ crucified, clothing him with the garment of His doctrine, binding and fettering him with the clemency of the Holy Spirit and

He became a the fire of charity. and reformed vessel, disposed by My Goodness, and, on made no resistance, but said My Lord, what being struck, dost Thou wish me to do ? Show me that which it is thy Which I answered pleasure for me to do, and I will do it} when I placed before him Christ crucified, clothing him with the doctrine of My chanty. I illuminated him perfectly with the light of true contrition, by which he extirpated his defects, and founded him in My charity." enflaming him with

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CHAPTER LXXXIV. How

the

who

soul

herself in the unitive state desires barren earthly state and unite herself to

finds

infinitely to leave the

GOD. "AND

when

I

depart from the soul in the aforesaid

way

body may return a little to its corporal sentiment, the soul, on account of the union which she had made with

that the

Me, is impatient in her life, being deprived of union with Me, and the conversation of the Immortals, who render glory to Me, and finding herself, amid the conversation of This mortals, and seeing them so miserably offending Me. vision of My offence is the torture which such souls always have, and which, with the desire to see Me, renders to them. Nevertheless, as their own, but becomes one with Mine, they cannot desire other than what I desire, and though they desire to come and be with Me, they are contented to

their

life

insupportable

will is not their

remain,

if I

desire

them

to remain, with their pain, for the

greater praise and glory of souls.

Will in

;

My Name

So

and the salvation of

My

that in nothing are they in discord with but they run their course with ecstatic desire, clothed

Christ

crucified,

and

keeping by the Bridge of His

Inasmuch doctrine, glorying in His shame and pains. as they appear to be suffering they are rejoicing, because the enduring of many tribulations is to them a relief in the desire which they have for death, for oftentimes the desire and the will to suffer pain mitigates the pain caused them by their desire to quit the body. These not only endure I told thee they did, who are in the third but they glory, through My Name, in bearing much In bearing tribulation they find pleasure, and tribulation.

with patience, as state,

not having it they suffer pain, fearing that I reward not their well-doing or that the sacrifice of their desires is not pleasing to Me ; but when I permit to them many tribula tions they rejoice, seeing themselves clothed with the suffer

ing and

shame of Christ

crucified.

Wherefore were

it


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not want

them

to

have virtue without

173 toil

they would

They would

it.

Christ, acquiring

Eternal

Life.

steeped

in

it

rather delight in the Cross, with with pain, than in any other way obtain

Why ?

Because

they

are

the Blood, where they find the

which

is

a

inflamed blaze of

from

fire

and

My Me,

charity proceeding ravishing their heart and mind and making their sacrifices Wherefore, the eye of the intellect is lifted up acceptable. charity,

and gazes into

My

Deity,

when

behind the This is a sight

the affection

nourished and united with Me.

intellect is

which

I grant to the soul, infused with grace, who, in truth, loves and serves Me."

CHAPTER LXXXV. How

they, who are arrived at the aforesaid unitive state, have the eye of their intellect illuminated by supernatural light infused by grace. And how it is better to go for counsel for the salvation of the soul, to a humble and holy conscience than to a proud lettered

"

WITH

man.

this light

that is given to the eye of the intellect,

Thomas Aquinas saw Me, wherefore he acquired the light also Augustine, Jerome, and the doctors, of much science and my saints. They were illuminated by My Truth to know and understand My Truth in darkness. By My Truth I mean the Holy Scripture, which seemed dark ;

because

it

was not understood

the Scriptures, but of them

;

not through any defect of them, and did not

who heard

understand them. Wherefore I sent this light to illuminate the blind and coarse understanding, uplifting the eye of the intellect to know the Truth. And I, Fire, Acceptor of ravishing away from them their darkness, give not a natural light, but a supernatural, so that, ; in Wherefore though darkness, they know the Truth.

sacrifices,

the light

which at first appeared to be dark, now appears with the most perfect light, to the gross or subtle mind ; and every one receives according as he is capable or disposed

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So thou do not despise dispositions. received seest that the eye of the intellect has supernatural light, infused by grace, by which the doctors and saints knew light in darkness, and of darkness made light. The intellect was, before the Scriptures were formed, wherefore, from the intellect came science, because in seeing they dis It was thus that the holy prophets and fathers cerned. understood, who prophesied of the coming and death of My Son, and the Apostles, after the coming of the Holy Spirit, The evangelists, which gave them that supernatural light. and all likewise were martyrs doctors, confessors, virgins And every one illuminated by the aforesaid perfect light. has had the illumination of this light according as he needed it for his salvation or that of others, or for the to

know Me,

for

I

The doctors of the holy exposition of the Scriptures. doctrine of My Truth, the had science it, expounding the of the preaching Apostles, and the Gospels of The martyrs had

it, declaring in their fruit and the treasure of the Holy Faith, had it in the affec The of Lamb. the the Blood virgins

the

Evangelists. blood the Most

tion

To

and purity.

of charity

the obedient

the obedience of the

declared, by it, the perfection of

Who

obedience, which

ones

is

Word, showing them shines

in

My

Truth,

imposed upon Him, ran to This light is to be Cross. of the death the opprobrious in the Old, by it, New Testament and seen in the Old ; the of the were seen by intellect, and known the eye In the New Testament prophecies of the holy prophets. for the obedience that

of the evangelical

By

faithful ?

this

life,

how

same

I

the Gospel declared to the And because the New light. is

Testament proceeded from the same light, the new law did not break the old law ; rather are the two laws bound together, the imperfection of the old law, founded in fear alone, being taken from it, by the coming of the Word of

My

only-begotten Son, with the law of Love, completing the old law by giving it love, and replacing the fear of penalty And, therefore, said My Truth to the by holy fear. disciples, *

/ came

to

not

to

show

that

He was

dissolve the law, but

not a breaker of laws to fulfil it?

It is

:

almost


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My

if

Truth would say

imperfect, but with

My

to

Blood

I

them will

175,

The Law is now make it perfect, and

it up with what it lacks, taking away the fear of How was and founding it in love and holy fear. this declared to be the Truth ? By this same supernatural light, which was and is given by grace to all, who will receive it ? Every light that comes from Holy Scripture comes and came from this supernatural light. Ignorant and proud men of science were blind notwithstanding this light, because their pride and the cloud of self-love had Wherefore they under covered up and put out the light. stood the Holy Scripture rather literally than with under standing, and taste only the letter of it, still desiring many other books and they get not to the marrow of it, because they have deprived themselves of the light, with which is and they are annoyed found and expounded the Scripture and murmur, because they find much in it that appears to them gross and idiotic. And, nevertheless, they appear to be much illuminated in their knowledge of Scripture, as if they had studied it for long; and this is not remark able, because they have of course the natural light from whence proceeds science. But because they have lost the supernatural light, infused by grace, they neither see nor

I will

fill

penalty,

;

;

Goodness, nor the grace of My servants. Where say to thee, that it is much better to go for counsel for the salvation of the soul, to a holy and upright con science, than to a proud lettered man, learned in much

know

My

fore, I

science, because such a one can only offer what he has himself, and, because of his darkness, it may appear to thee,

from what he says, the Scriptures offer darkness. The contrary wilt thou find with My servants, because they offer the light that is in them, with hunger and desire for the soul s salvation. This I have told thee, my sweetest that,

daughter, that thou mightest know the perfection of this unitive state, when the eye of the intellect is ravished by

the

fire

of

My

charity, in which charity it receives the With this light the souls in the unitive

supernatural state love Me, because love follows the intellect, and the more it knows the more can it love. Thus the one feeds light.


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the other, and, with this light, they both arrive at the Eternal Vision of Me, where they see and taste Me, in Truth, the soul being separated from the body, as I told

when

spoke to thee of the blissfulness that the This state is most excellent, when the soul, being yet in the mortal body, tastes bliss with the immortals, and ofttimes she arrives at so great a union that she scarcely knows whether she be in the body or out

thee

I

soul received in Me.

of it ; and tastes the earnest-money of Eternal Life, both because she is united with Me, and because her will is dead in Christ, by which death her union was made with Me, and

no other way could she perfectly have done so. There do they taste life eternal, deprived of the hell of their own will, which gives to man the earnest-money of damna tion, if he yield to in

fore

it."

CHAPTER LXXXVI. A

useful repetition of many things already said and how this devout soul to pray to Him for every creature,

GOD leads and

for the

Holy Church. "Now thou hast seen, with the eye of thy intellect, and heard, with the ear of thy feeling, from Me, Eternal Truth, what method thou must hold to make use of this doctrine for thy and to know My Truth. As I told self, and thy neighbour, thee in the beginning, a knowledge of Truth is arrived at

Not a pure knowledge of through a knowledge of self. but a knowledge of self seasoned and united with a knowledge of Me. Wherefore thou foundest humility and hatred and displeasure of thyself and the fire of My charity, through the knowledge that thou foundest of thyself from whence thou earnest to love and take delight in thy neighbour, bringing him to a holy and honest life, by means of the doctrine. I have also shown thee the Bridge, self,

and the three general steps, placed there for the three powers of the soul, and I have told thee how no one can attain to the life of grace unless he has mounted all three


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is,

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all the three powers of the have also made known to thee, in

gathered together

Name.

I

particular, the three states of the soul, figured in the Body I told thee, that He of only-begotten Son, of

My

Whom

had made of His Body a staircase, showing it to thee in His nailed Feet, and in the opening of His Side, and in His Mouth, where the soul attains to peace and quiet, in the way that I told thee. And I have shown thee the imper fection of servile fear, and the imperfection of the love, that is only for the sweetness found in Me, and I have shown thee, the perfection of the third state, namely of those who have arrived at the peace of the Mouth, having run, with

anxious desire, by the Bridge of Christ crucified, ascending the three general steps, that is, gathering together in My Name the three powers of the soul and all their functions,

as

I

explained to thee more clearly above, and thus have is, passed from the

ascended the three principal steps, that

And so hast thou seen them and taste with satisfaction the perfection of the soul, with the odour of the virtues. Thou hast also seen the deceptions into which theyfall before they arrive at perfection, if they do not exercise themselves in the knowledge of Me I have also declared to thee the misery and of themselves. of those who are drowned in the river, because they keep not by the Bridge of the doctrine of Christ crucified, the which I placed there that they might not be drowned. But they, in the if were would and drown filth of as mad, they misery the world. All these things have I declared to thee to increase in thee the fire of holy desire, and compassion and sorrow for the damnation of souls, and that thy sorrow and love might constrain thee to urge Me, with tears and sweat and humble and continual prayer, offered to Me with the fire of most And that not ardent desire, to have mercy on the world. and servants only thou, but many others of my creatures imperfect state to the perfect.

run

in truth,

who may

hear these things, might be constrained to urge have Me mercy on the world and particularly on the mystic body of the Holy Church. I have already told thee, if thou remember well, that I would fulfil all thy desires, giving thee refreshment in thy toil, and satisfying the pain to

M


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of thy desires, reforming the Church with holy and good Not reforming her by war, or the knife or cruelty, pastors. quiet and by the tears and have My servants, placed as labourers for souls in the mystic body of the Church, labouring for them in virtue, in example and in doctrine, offering to Me, for the Church and every creature, continual prayer, bringing forth the virtues on their neighbour in the way I have told thee, because every virtue and every fault is increased by Wherefore I wish you all to its relation to the neighbour. be of service to your neighbour, and thus to bear fruit. Cease

as

I

told thee, but

sweat of

by peace and

whom

I

not to cast up before Me the incense of fragrant prayers for the salvation of souls, because with those prayers, tears and sweatings will I wash the face of My Spouse,

Holy Church. I have already shown her to thee under the form of a damsel, her face all befouled, as if And this is on account of the sins of with leprosy. ministers and of the whole Christian people who feed My at the breast of this My Spouse, and of whose sins I will

the

speak to thee in another

place."

CHAPTER LXXXVII. How

this

devout soul seeks knowledge from state

and

God concerning

the

fruit of tears.

THEN

this soul, yearning with very great desire, and rising as one intoxicated both by the union which she had had with God, and by what she had heard and tasted of the Supreme

and Sweet Truth, yearned with

grief over the ignorance

of creatures, in that they did not know their Benefactor, or the affection of the love of God. And nevertheless she

had joy from the hope of the promise that the Truth of God had made to her, teaching her the way she was to direct her will (and the other servants of God as well as herself) order that He should do mercy to the world. And,

in

lifting

up the eye of her

intellect

upon the sweet Truth, to


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Whom

she remained united, wishing to states of the soul of which aforesaid the

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know somewhat God had spoken

of to

and seeing that the soul passes through these states with tears, she wished to learn from the Truth concerning the different kinds of tears, and how they came to be, and whence they proceeded, and the fruit that resulted from Wishing then to know this from the Sweet, weeping. and First Truth, as to the manner of being and Supreme the aforesaid tears, and inasmuch as the truth of reason be learnt from any other than from the Truth Him cannot and self, nothing can be learnt in the Truth but what is her,

seen by the eye of the intellect, she made her request of For it is necessary for him who is lifted with the Truth. the Truth with the light of faith. to learn desire

Wherefore, knowing that she had not forgotten the teach ing which the Truth, that is, God, had given her, that in no other way could she learn about the different states and she rose out of herself, exceeding every limit of her nature with the greatness of her desire. And, with a she the of her intellect the light of eye opened lively faith, fruits of tears,

upon the Eternal Truth,

in

Whom

she saw and knew the God Himself mani

Truth, in the matter of her request, for fested

it

to her,

burning desire,

and condescending fulfilled

CHAPTER

His

benignity^ to her

LXXXVIII.

How there are five THEN

in

her petition.

kinds of tears.

said the Supreme and Sweet Truth of God, Oh, be loved and dearest daughter, thou beggest knowledge of the reasons and fruits of tears, and I have not despised thy desire. Open well the eye of thy intellect and I will show thee, among the aforesaid states of the soul, of which I "

have told thee, concerning the imperfect tears caused by but first rather of the tears of wicked men of the fear These are the tears of damnation. The former world. ;


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are those of fear, and belong to men who abandon sin from The third are the fear of punishment, and weep for fear. tears of those

serve

and

who, having abandoned sin, are beginning to Me, and weep for very sweetness ; but

taste

since their love is imperfect, so also is their weeping, as I The fourth are the tears of those who have told thee. have arrived at the perfect love of their neighbour, loving Me without any regard whatsoever for themselves. These weep and their weeping is perfect. The fifth are joined to the fourth and are tears of sweetness let fall with great I will tell thee also of the peace, as I will explain to thee. tears of fire, without bodily tears of the eyes, which satisfy And I those who often would desire to weep and cannot.

wish thee to know that all these various graces may exist in one soul, who, rising from fear and imperfect love, reaches perfect love in the unitive state. thee of these tears in the following

Now

I will

begin to

tell

way."

CHAPTER LXXXIX. Of the

"

I

difference of these tears, arising from the explanation of the aforesaid states of the soul.

WISH thee

to

heart, for there is

the heart so

much

eye manifests

it.

know

that every tear proceeds from the

no member of the body that

will

satisfy

as the eye. If the heart is in pain the And if the pain be sensual the eye drops

which

engender death, because proceeding they are caused by a disordinate love distinct from the love of Me ; for such love, being disordi nate and an offence to Me, receives the meed of mortal pain hearty

from

tears

the

heart,

It is true that their guilt and grief are more or and tears. less heavy, according to the measure of their disordinate And these form that first class, who have the tears love.

of death, of

whom

I

have spoken to thee, and

will

speak

Now, begin to consider the tears which give the again. commencement of life, the tears, that is, of those who,


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their guilt, set to weeping for fear of the penalty have incurred. they "These are both hearty and sensual tears, because the soul, not having yet arrived at perfect hatred of its guilt on account of the offence thereby done to Me, abandons it with a hearty grief for the penalty which follows the sin

knowing

committed, while the eye weeps in order to satisfy the grief of the heart. "But the soul, exercising herself in virtue, begins to lose her fear, knowing that fear alone is not sufficient to give her eternal life, as I have already told thee when speaking

And so she proceeds, with know herself and My goodness in her, and begins to

of the second stage of the soul. love, to

take

hope

Sorrow

in

My

in

mercy

which her heart

feels

joy.

mingled with the joy of her hope in causes her My mercy, eye to weep, which tears issue from the very fountain of her heart. for her grief,

"But,

inasmuch as

she has not yet arrived

at

great

perfection, she often drops sensual tears, and if thou askest Me why, I reply Because the root of self-love is not sensual love, for that has already been removed, as has :

a spiritual love with which the soul desires spiritual consolations or loves some creature spirit ually. (I have spoken to thee at length regarding the imper

been

said, but

it

is

fections of such souls.)

Wherefore, when such a soul

is

deprived of the thing she loves, that is, internal or external consolation, the internal being the consolation received from

Me, the external being that which she had from the creature, and when temptations and the persecutions of men come on her, her heart is full of grief. And, as soon as the eye feels the grief and suffering of the heart, she begins to weep with a tender and compassionate sorrow, pitying herself with the spiritual compassion of self-love for her self-will is not yet crushed and destroyed in everything, and in this way she lets fall sensual tears tears, that is, of spiritual ;

But, growing, and exercising herself in the light of self-knowledge, she conceives displeasure at herself and

passion.

perfect knowledge of

finally

self-hatred.

My

From

goodness with a

this fire

draws true of love, and she she

f


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begins to unite herself to Me, and to conform her will to Mine to feel joy and compassion. Joy in herself through the affection of love, and compassion for her neighbour, as I told thee in speaking of the third stage. Immediately

and so

her eye, wishing to satisfy the heart, cries with hearty love for Me and for her neighbour, grieving solely for My offence and her neighbour s loss, and not for any penalty or loss due to herself; for she does not think of herself, but

only of rendering glory and praise to My Name, and, in an ecstasy of desire, she joyfully takes the food prepared for her on the table of the Holy Cross, thus conforming herself

humble, patient, and immaculate Lamb, My onlybegotten Son, of whom I made a Bridge, as I have said. Having thus sweetly travelled by that Bridge, following the

to the

sweet Truth, enduring with true and sweet patience every pain and trouble which I have permitted to be inflicted upon her for her salvation, having manfully received them all, not choosing them according to her own doctrine of

My

but accepting them according to Mine, and not only, said, enduring them with patience, but sustaining them

tastes,

as

I

with joy, she counts

it

glory to be persecuted for

My Name s

may have to suffer. Then the soul such delight and tranquillity of mind that no

sake in whatever she arrives

at

tongue can Eternal

tell it.

Word,

that

Having crossed the river by means of the is, by the doctrine of My only-begotten

Son, and, having fixed the eye of her intellect on Me, the Sweet Supreme Truth, having seen the Truth, knows it ; and knowing it, loves it. Drawing her affection after her Eternal Deity, and she sees the Divine nature united to your humanity.

intellect,

"

is

she tastes

My

Then she reposes

united to

Me

in

Me, the Sea

in love, as

fourth and unitive state.

I

told thee

When

Pacific,

knows and

and her heart

when speaking of

she thus

feels

the

Me, the

Eternal Deity, her eyes let fall tears of sweetness, tears indeed of milk, nourishing the soul in true patience ; an odoriferous ointment are these tears, shedding odours of great sweetness.

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in that Sea, Which is Myself, the Deity, to fill the pitcher of her heart. And her eye, the conduit of her heart, endeavours to satisfy her heart-pangs, and so sheds tears. This is the last stage

Sea Pacific, and Supreme and Eternal

the

in

which the soul "

Blessed she

is

is

blessed and sorrowful.

through the union which she

feels herself

have with Me, tasting the divine love ; sorrowful through the offences which she sees done to My goodness and great ness, for she has seen and tasted the bitterness of this in her self-knowledge, by which self-knowledge, together with her knowledge of Me, she arrived at the final stage. Yet this sorrow is no impediment to the unitive state, which produces tears of great sweetness through self-knowledge, gained in love of the neighbour, in which exercise the soul discovers the plaint of My divine mercy, and grief at the offences caused to her neighbour, weeping with those who that is, who weep, and rejoicing with those who rejoice to

My love. Over these the soul rejoices, seeing glory and praise rendered Me by My servants, so that the third

live in

kind of grief does not prevent the fourth, that

is,

the final

grief belonging to the unitive state; they rather give savour to each other, for, had not this last grief (in which the soul finds such union with Me), developed from the grief be

longing to the third state of neighbourly love, it would not be perfect. Therefore it is necessary that the one should flavour the other, else the soul would come to a state of

presumption, induced by the subtle breeze of love of her reputation, and would fall at once, vomited from

own

to the depths. Therefore it is necessary to bear with others and practise continually love to one s neighbour, together with true knowledge of oneself.

the heights

"In

this

way

will

she

Me

that

is,

by knowing

is

My

love in herself, developed out of love of

feel the fire of

because love of her neighbour

out of that learning which the soul obtained and My goodness in her. When, there

herself

she sees herself to be ineffably loved by Me, she loves every rational creature with the self-same love with which she sees herself to be loved. And, for this reason, the soul fore,

that

knows Me immediately expands

to the

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neighbour, because she sees that I love that neighbour ineffably, and so, herself, loves the object which she sees Me

She further knows that she can have loved still more. be of no use to Me and can in no way repay Me that pure love with which she feels herself to be loved by Me, and therefore endeavours to repay it through the medium which I have given her, namely, her neighbour, who is the medium through which you can all serve Me. For, as 1 have said to thee, you can perform all virtues by means of to

your neighbour, I having given you all creatures, in general and in particular, according to the diverse graces each has received from Me, to be ministered unto by you ; you should therefore love them with the same pure love with which That pure love cannot be returned have loved you. I I have loved you without because directly to Me, being and without any consideration of Myself Myself loved, loved you without being loved by you before you existed ; it was, indeed, love that moved Me to create you to My own image and similitude. This love you

whatsoever, for

I

cannot repay to Me, but you can pay it to My rational creature, loving your neighbour without being loved by him and without consideration of your own advantage,

whether spiritual or temporal, but loving him solely for the praise and glory of My Name, because he has been loved by Me. will

"Thus

to love

Me

you

the

fulfil

commandment

of the law,

above everything, and your neighbour as your

selves.

height cannot be reached with out passing through the second stage, namely the second stage of union which becomes the third (and final) stage. "True

indeed

is it that this

be preserved when it has been reached if the soul abandon the affection from which it has been developed, It the affection to which the second class of tears belongs.

Nor can

is

it

therefore impossible to

fulfil

the law given by Me, the

Eternal God, without fulfilling that of your neighbour, for these two laws are the feet of your affection by which the precepts and counsels are observed, which were given you, These as I have told thee, by Truth, Christ crucified.

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two

states united nourish your soul in virtue, making her grow in the perfection of virtue and in the unitive state. Not that the other state is changed because this further

to

state has been reached, for this further state does but increase the riches of grace in new and various gifts and admirable elevations of the mind, in the knowledge of the truth, as I

said to thee, which, though it is mortal, appears immortal because the soul s perception of her own sensuality is mortified and her will is dead through the union which she

has attained with Me. "

Oh, how sweet

tasting

it,

she sees

is

the taste of this union to the soul, for, in Wherefore she often receives

My secrets

!

the spirit of prophecy, knowing the things of the future. This is the effect of My Goodness, but the humble soul should

despise such things, not indeed in so far as they are given her by My love, but in so far as she desires them by reason of

her appetite for consolation, considering herself unworthy of peace and quiet of mind, in order to nourish virtue within her soul. In such a case let her not remain in the second I give stage, but return to the valley of self-knowledge. her this

grow life

light,

My

grace permitting, so that she may ever is never so perfect in this

For the soul

in virtue.

that she cannot attain to a higher perfection of love.

Son, your Captain, was the only One Who could increase in no perfection, because He was one thing with Me, and I with Him, wherefore His soul was blessed

My only-begotten

But do ye, His through union with the Divine nature. be ever to in pilgrim-members, ready grow greater perfection, not indeed to another stage, for as I have said, ye have now reached the last, but to that further grade of perfection in the last Grace."

stage,

which may please you by means of

My


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XC.

of the preceding chapter : and how the Devil flees those arrived at the fifth kind of tears, and how the assaults

who have

of the Devil are the true "THOU

hast

now

means

of reaching this stage.

seen the various states of tears and the

difference between them, according as it has pleased Truth to satisfy thy desire. With regard to the first tears

My

of those who are in the state of death, in the guilt, namely, of mortal sin, thou hast seen that their sorrow, proceeding in general from their heart, on account of the conception of the principle of the affection which causes tears, is corrupt and miserable sorrow, and indeed their every work is The second stage is that of those who are begin corrupt.

ning to learn their own evil through the penalty which This is a general beginning, generously follows their guilt. given by Me to the fragile, who ignorantly drown in the river, loathing the doctrine of

My

But there are

Truth.

many who know

their evil without servile fear (fear, that is, of the penalty due to their guilt), who abandon sin with a

great self-hatred, which makes them deem themselves worthy of punishment, and who, in their simple goodness, devote

themselves to serving Me, their Creator, grieving over the It is true that he who offence which they have done Me.

abandons sin with very great self-hatred

is

more apt

for

perfection than the others (those actuated by servile fear), yet both classes may arrive thereat by exercise, though

the former will arrive "

One

first.

of the latter class should take care not to remain in

servile fear,

and one of the former should beware of

that he does not

tepidity,

cold within, through not exercising This is a common vocation.

grow

his simple goodness. "The third and fourth stages are of those who, having arisen out of fear, have arrived at love and hope, tasting

Divine mercy, receiving many gifts and consolations from Me, on account of which the eye weeps in order toBut because this sorrow is. satisfy the feeling of the heart.

My


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imperfect and mingled with the sorrow of spiritual self-love, as I have said, the soul must, by exercise in virtue, reach the fourth stage, where, having grown by her desires, she unites

and conforms herself to My will to such a point, that she can neither wish nor desire other than what I wish, in the matter of love to her neighbour, from which she extracts the grief of love in herself for the offences and losses This stage is united with the inflicted on her neighbour. fifth and ultimate perfection in which the soul unites herself to the Truth, and the fire of holy desire is increased, from which desire the Devil flees, for he can persecute the soul no more, neither by injuring her, for she has grown patient in the love of her neighbour,

nor by spiritual or temporal

consolation, because through self-hatred and true humility she despises both. True indeed it is that the Devil, for his

never sleeps, thus reading a lesson to you negligent But all his ones, who sleep through the time of merit. he cannot because watching cannot hurt such as these, part,

endure the heat of their love, nor the odour of the union which they have made with Me, the Sea Pacific ; while a So he avoids soul thus united to Me cannot be deceived. such a soul, as a fly the boiling kettle, from fear of the fire. The following however happens to the soul before she has reached perfection. The Devil, seeing that she seems tepid, enters into her with many and diverse temptations. But, the soul, being in the Sea of Knowledge, heat, and hatred of guilt, resists, binding the will, for fear it should consent, with Let every the bands of hatred of sin and love of virtue. soul that experiences many temptations rejoice, for through lies the road to this glorious and sweet state. For I have

them

already told thee, that by knowledge and hatred of yourselves At no and knowledge of Me, ye could arrive at perfection.

time does the soul

know

so well whether

Thou askest, she know well, seeing

as in the time of battle.

am

I

in

in her or no,

what way

?

I

herself in battle, that she cannot liberate herself, or resist the perverse will, for she has nothing of her own with which to do so. (She will tell thee.

If

can indeed resist the perverse consenting to

it,

will,

in

the sense of not

but in no other sense.)

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is nothing, for were she anything in could cause this battle, which is against to cease. Thus she humbles herself with true

learns that she herself

her

own power, she

her

will,

self-knowledge, and, with the light of the most Holy Faith, runs to Me, the Eternal God, through Whose Goodness she is able to preserve a good and holy will that does not consent in the time of battle, or yield to the miseries with

which

is assailed.

it

yourselves with

the

You are then quite right to comfort doctrine of the sweet and amorous

Word, My only-begotten Son, in the time of your troubles and adversities and temptations from men or devils, for these increase your virtue and cause you to arrive at great perfection."

CHAPTER How those who

XCI.

and cannot have them, and why God withdraws from them physical

desire the tears of the eyes

have tears of

fire

;

tears.

HAVE spoken to thee of perfect and imperfect tears, and all of them issue from the heart. From this vessel comes every kind of tear, whatever be the cause of it, they "

I

how

may

therefore

all

be called hearty

tears.

The

sole differ

between ordinate and disordinate love, between and imperfect love, as I have said to thee above. perfect I have yet to tell thee, in order to satisfy the request thou

ence

lies

to Me, of those who long for the perfection of but Have they any tears, apparently cannot have it. other way of weeping besides the tears of the eyes ? Yes, they have the weeping of fire, namely, of true and holy

didst

make

desire, by which they are consumed through the affection of love and long to melt their life away in weeping, out of self-hatred, and for the salvation of souls, and yet it seems that they cannot. These, I say, have the tears of fire,

in

which the Holy Spirit weeps before Me for them Thus, I say, does My Divine love

and

their neighbour.

light

up with

its

flame the soul

who

offers

anxious desires


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and

fire,

bodily tears.

in this

way does

These, the

189 I

Holy

say, are

the

Spirit lament.

Not being able to do so with tears, He offers the will and If thou openest the weeping for love of Me. eye of thy intellect, thou wilt see that the Holy Spirit laments by means of every servant of Mine who sheds holy desires and humble, continual prayers before Me. This, it would seem, is what the glorious Apostle Paul meant when desires of

he said that the Holy Spirit grieved before Me, the Father, with unutterable groanings for you. Wherefore see that the tears of fire have no less fruit than those of water, often indeed more, according to the measure of the love from which they proceed. A soul, then, who desires tears and cannot have them, should not be put to confusion of mind, or think that she is deprived She should desire tears with a will of anything by Me. "

humbled, attuned to Mine, desiring them or not, according Sometimes I do not pleases My Divine Goodness. in order that she tears to shed the soul physically, permit in continual Me humbled before remain prayer, inas may much as to grant her request would not be of the use to For she would remain content with her that she thinks. had asked for, and so her affec she what received having tion would grow weak, together with the desire with which she had been accustomed to ask for it. So, for the sake of the growth, and not the turning back of souls, do I as

reserve the right of not granting actual tears, but I some times grant them mentally and of the heart only, full of the In every state, therefore, and in fire of My Divine Love.

every time will My servants be pleasing to Me, if they never let the eye of their intellect lose sight of the object of My Eternal Truth in the light of faith, with the effect I am the Physician and you the patients, and I each of you what is necessary for his salvation, and give This is the for the growth of perfection in his soul.

of love.

truth and the explanation of the states of tears, which I, most sweet the Eternal Truth, have given thee,

My

daughter.

Drown

crucified, the

thyself

then

in

the

Blood of Christ

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the cross,

ST.

growing continually

in

CATHERINE virtue,

mayest be nourished internally with the

so

that

of

My

fire

thou Divine

Love."

CHAPTER How

XCII.

the four stages of the soul, to which belong the five aforesaid

states of tears, produce tears of infinite value and how God wishes to be served as the Infinite, and not as anything finite. :

"

THESE

are

to

infinite.

become

are like five

with abundant

tears

principal canals of infinite value,

which

of they are disciplined in virtue, as I have thee. Thou askest how their value can be I do not say that in this life your tears can

which give said

states

five

filled

life

all

if

infinite,

but

I call

them

infinite,

on account of the

of your soul from which they proceed. I have already told thee how tears come from the heart, and how the heart distributes them to the eye, having gathered infinite desire

them in its own fiery desire. As, when green wood is on the fire, the moisture it contains groans on account of the heat, because the wood is green, so does the heart, made green again by the renovation of grace drawn into which dries up the soul, so that fiery and tears are united. And inasmuch as desire is never ended, it is never satisfied in this life, but the more the soul loves the less she seems to herself to love. Thus is holy desire, which is founded in love, exercised, and with this desire the eye weeps. But when the soul is separated from the body and has reached Me, her End, she does not on that account abandon desire, so as to no longer yearn for Me or love her neighbour, for love has itself among its self-love

desire

entered into her like a other virtues. as

I

have

possesses that

said

Me

is

bearing the fruits of

all

very truth, without any fear of ever losing has so long desired ; but, in this way, kept up, because those who are hungry are in

which she

hunger

woman

true that suffering is over and ended, to thee, for the soul that desires Me

It is


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in

this

and as soon as they are

way

their

satiety

is

satisfied

without

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hunger, again

disgust,

;

and their

hunger without suffering, for, in Me, no perfection is wanting. Thus is your desire infinite, otherwise it would be worth nothing, nor would any virtue of yours have any life For I, Who am if you served Me with anything finite. the Infinite God, wish to be served by you with infinite the only infinite thing you possess is the service, and In this sense I said affection and desire of your souls. that there were tears of infinite value, and this is true as regards their mode, of which I have spoken, namely, of When the infinite desire which is united to the tears. the soul leaves the body the tears remain behind, but the affection of love has drawn to itself the fruit of the tears, and consumed it, as happens in the case of the water The water has not really been taken in your furnace. out of the furnace, but the heat of the fire has consumed it and drawn it into itself. Thus the soul, having arrived at tasting the fire of My divine charity, and having passed from this life in a state of love towards Me and her "

neighbour, having further possessed that unitive love which caused her tears to fall, does not cease to offer Me

her blessed desires, tearful indeed, though without pain or physical weeping, for physical tears have evaporated in the furnace, becoming tears of fire of the Holy Spirit. Thou seest then how tears are infinite, how, as regards the tears shed in this life only, no tongue can tell what I have now told thee different sorrows may cause them. between four of these states of tears." the difference

CHAPTER Of the 4

IT remains for

Me

fruit of

XCIII.

worldly

men

s tears.

to tell thee of the fruit produced

by

tears shed with desire, and received into the soul. But ;first will I speak to thee of that first class of men whom I


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mentioned at the beginning of this My discourse those, that is, who live miserably in the world, making a god of created things and of their own sensuality, from which comes damage to their body and soul. I said to thee that tear from this is the truth, the and every proceeded heart, ;

for the heart grieves in proportion to the love it feels. So men when their heart when feels that worldly weep is, pain,

they are deprived of something which they loved.

many and diverse are know how many ? There different loves. And inasmuch "But

thou

their complainings.

are as

many

Dost

as there exist

as the root of self-love is

corrupt, everything that grows from it is corrupt also. Self-love is a tree on which grow nothing but fruits of

death, putrid flowers, stained leaves, branches bowed down, and struck by various winds. This is the tree of the soul.

For ye are all trees of love, and without love ye cannot The soul ye have been made by Me for love.

for

live,

who

lives virtuously, places the root of her tree in the valley of true humility ; but those who live thus miserably are

planted on the mountain of pride, whence it follows that since the root of the tree is badly planted, the tree can bear

no

Their fruits are their only of death. are all which poisoned by many and diverse kinds actions, of sin, and if they should produce some good fruit among their actions, even it will be spoilt by the foulness of its root, for no good actions done by a soul in mortal sin are Let of value for eternal life, for they are not done in grace. such a soul abandon on this account its however, not, good works, for every good deed is rewarded, and every evilA good action performed out of a state of deed punished. not sufficient to merit eternal life, as has been is grace but Justice, My My Divine Goodness, grants an in said, reward, imperfect as the action which obtains it. complete Often such a man is rewarded in temporal matters some times I give him more time in which to repent, as I have This also will I already said to thee in another place. sometimes do, I grant him the life of grace by means of My servants who are pleasing and acceptable to Me. I acted in this way with My glorious apostle Paul, whofruits of life but

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abandoned his infidelity, and the persecutions he directed See against the Christians, at the prayer of St. Stephen. truly, therefore, that, in whatever state a man may be, he should never stop doing good. "

said to thee that the flowers of this tree

I

and so

were putrid,

flowers are the stinking thoughts of the heart, displeasing to Me, and full of hatred truth they are.

in

Its

and unkindness towards their neighbour. a thief, he robs Me of honour, and takes

So it

if

a

man be

himself.

flower stinks less than that of false judgment, which two kinds. The first with regard to Me, by which

judge

My

This is

of

men My mys

secret judgments, gauging falsely all is, judging that which I did in love, to in hatred ; that which I did in truth to

have been done have been done in falsehood ; that which I give them for life, to have been given them for death. They condemn and judge for they have everything according to their weak intellect blinded the eye of their intellect with sensual self-love, and hidden the pupil of the most holy Faith, which they will not allow to see or know the Truth. The second kind of false judgment is directed against a man s neighbour, from which often come many evils, because the wretched man wishes to set himself up as the judge of the affections and heart of other rational creatures, when he does not yet know himself. And, for an action which he may see, or for a word he may hear, he will judge the affection of the teries,

that

;

My servants always judge well, because they are founded on Me, the Supreme Good but such as these for are founded on evil. Such always judge badly, they critics as these cause hatreds, murders, unhappinesses of all heart.

;

kinds to their neighbours, and remove themselves far My servants virtue.

away

from the love of

Truly these fruits follow the leaves, which are the words which issue from their mouth in insult to Me and the Blood of My only-begotten Son, and in hatred to their "

neighbours.

And

and condemning

they think of nothing else but cursing My works, and blaspheming and saying

evil of

may

every rational creature, according as their judgment The unfortunate creatures do not suggest to them.

N

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that the tongue is made only to give honour to Me, and to confess sins, and to be used in love of virtue, and for the salvation of the neighbour. These are the stained leaves of that most miserable fault, because the heart from which they proceeded was not clean, but all How much danger, spotted with duplicity and misery. apart from the spiritual privation of grace to the soul, of For ye have all heard and temporal loss may not occur seen how, through words alone, have come revolutions of states, and destructions of cities, and many homicides and

remember

!

other evils, a word having entered the heart of the listener, and having passed through a space not large enough for a knife.

say that this tree has seven branches drooping to the on which grow the flowers and leaves in the way I These branches are the seven mortal sins have told you. which are full of many and diverse wickednesses, contained in the roots and trunk of self-love and of pride, which first made both branches and flowers of many thoughts, the leaves of words, and the fruits of wicked deeds. They stand "

I

earth,

drooping to the earth because the branches of mortal can turn no other way than to the earth, the fragile Do not marvel, they ordinate substance of the world. turn no way but that in which they can be fed by ^arth

;

for their

to satisfy them.

sin dis-

can the

and the earth is unable They are insatiable and unbearable to

hunger

is insatiable,

themselves, and it is conformable to their state that they should always be unquiet, longing and desiring that thing which they have to satiety. This is the reason why such satiety cannot content them, because they (who are infinite in their being) are always desiring something finite ; because their being will never end, though their life to grace ends

when they commit mortal

Man

sin.

placed above

all creatures, and not beneath them, and he cannot be satisfied or content except in some Greater than himself there is thing greater than himself. "

is

Therefore I alone nothing but Myself, the Eternal God. can satisfy him, and, because he is deprived of this satisfac tion by his guilt, he remains in continual torment and pain.


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follows pain, and when he begins to strikes the tree of self-love, which he has

Weeping wind

principle of

all

his

being."

CHAPTER How the

"THE

weep the made the

XCIV.

aforesaid worldly weepers are struck different winds.

tree is struck either

by four

by the wind of prosperity, or of

adversity, or of fear, or of conscience ; for these are the The wind of prosperity matures pride and four winds. If this and reviling of the neighbour. self-confidence great

wind be master, a man walks in great injustice and vanity of heart, in impurity of body and mind, and self-esteem, and many other things that proceed from these, which thy tongue Is this wind of prosperity corrupt in itself? could not tell. it is the chief root nor any other wind this neither No, of the tree which is corrupt, and whence everything in the tree is corrupted. I, Who send every gift, and give every am the Supreme Good, and this wind of its being, thing I send, is also good. which prosperity, ;

The man weeps because his heart is not satisfied, because he desires that which he cannot have, and, being unable to have it, grieves, and grieving weeps, for the eye satisfies the "

heart. "

After this comes a wind of servile fear, in which he

is

afraid of his very shadow, fearing to lose either his own life, or his children s, or other creatures ; or again, he fears

that he, or others, will lose their positions, honour, or This riches (fearing for these others through self-love). servile fear does not allow

him

to possess the object of his

love in peace, because he does

and

in obedience to

My

Will, for

not possess

it

which reason,

ordinately servile fear

He has become the miserable slave of pursues him. and may esteem himself as that for which he serves. "

sin,

Meanwhile the wind of Fear has done striking him, and


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the wind of tribulation

and

CATHERINE

ST.

adversity, of which he

was

afraid, reaches him, and deprives him of something either in general or in particular. In general, when the man is

by the power of death, and so deprived of In everything. particular, when the wind takes away now one thing, now another either health, or children, or riches,

deprived of

life

or position, or honour according as I, the gentle Physician, see to be necessary for your salvation. But, because your

wholly corrupt without knowledge or

fragility is

much

taste,

and

of patience, impatience, scandals, murmuring, and hatred, displeasure towards Me and My creatures grow less, fruit

up in you. And that which I gave you for life ye have received unto death with the same measure of grief that I in giving it. Wherefore the man is led on to the hurtful sorrow of impatience, which dries up the soul and kills her, depriving her of the life of grace, and also

had of love

up and consumes the body, and blinds the man spiritually and corporally, and deprives him of all pleasure and hope, so that he is deprived of the thing which he loved, in which he had placed his affection, his hope, and faith. Wherefore he weeps. Tears alone do not bring such but the disordinate love and grief of the heart troubles, whence the tear proceeds, for physical tears do not them selves give death and sorrow, but the root, from which they dries

If proceed, namely, the disordinate self-love of the heart. the heart were ordinate and had the life of grace, the tears would also be ordinate, and would constrain Me, the Eternal

God, to do mercy to

the

For

soul.

the

herald of the state of the heart, whether death. "

is

said that there

I

the doing of

My

it

tear

came one wind of conscience

divine goodness,

when

is

be in

;

life

the

or

and this

souls have been

by prosperity, to bring them through love, and by fear, so that, by My very importunity, their hearts might be

tried

directed to love

them

Me

with virtue proved in tribulation, given

that they might

the world.

To

know

whom

the fragility and weakness of this does not help, I give the

others, prick of conscience, so ineffably do

they

may

arise, and,

opening

their

love them, in order that mouths, vomit forth the

I


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of their sins by holy confession. But these, like obstinate fools justly reprobated by Me on account of their iniquity, refuse to receive My grace in any way, fly the

filth

conscience, and continue to pass their time in miserable pleasures, incurring My wrath and that of their All this happens because the root is corrupt neighbour.

prick of

together with the whole tree, every part of it is in a state of death, and full of continual sufferings, weepings, and bitterness, as has been said. And, if they do not reform

while they have time and power to use their free-will, they pass from this finite sorrow, which is theirs in finite time, to infinite sorrow ; thus finite sorrow leads to infinite, for the tears were shed with infinite hatred of virtue, namely, It is with the desire of the soul founded in infinite hate. true that, had they wished, they might have abandoned it In spite through My grace in time, while they were free. of My having called hatred infinite it is only so as regards

the affection and

being of the soul in which it inheres, neither the hatred nor the love existing in the soul are, in themselves, infinite ; for, while you are in life, you can hate

But if life ends or love only according to your pleasure. in a state of love of virtue, the soul receives an infinite hatred, the soul remains in infinite hatred, re eternal ceiving damnation, as I have told thee when I related to thee how some drowned themselves in the river. They

good

;

if in

therefore can no longer desire good, deprived of My mercy, and your brotherly love, which the saints taste together, that is, the love of you pilgrims travelling through this life, placed here by Me, in order to reach your End which is Myself, Eternal Life. Neither prayers nor alms nor any good work help the damned. They are members cut off from the body of My divine love, for, while they lived, they would

not be joined to the obedience of My holy commandments, body of the holy Church, and in her sweet whence obedience, you draw the Blood of the immaculate

in the mystical

Lamb My fruit

teeth.

spoke

of

only-begotten Son; for this do they receive the

eternal damnation, with sorrow and gnashing of These are those martyrs of the Devil of whom I

to thee.

The

Devil gives them the fruit which he


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See therefore that this kind of sorrow gives the fruit of suffering in this finite time, and ultimately gives, for infinite eternity, the companionship of the Devil." has himself.

CHAPTER XCV. Of the "

IT

now

fruit of

falls to

Me

the second and third kinds of tears. to

speak of the

fruit,

received by those,

who

are beginning to rise from guilt, through fear of punish Some there are who abandon ment, and to acquire grace.

This the death of mortal sin through fear of the penalty. is a very general vocation, as has been said. What fruit This fruit, that he begins to does such a one receive ? his soul of house of the impurity, cleansing his free empty When he has purified his will with fear of punishment. soul of her guilt, he receives peace of conscience, and begins to dispose the affection of his soul, and to open the eye of his intellect, to examine his house, in which formerly, before

was empty, he could see and discern nothing but the He begins to receive consolation, stench of various sins. for the worm of conscience remains in peace, waiting, as it it

were, to feast on the food of virtue. cured his stomach, and purged it of

man who has

As

a

its

humours, directs

his appetite to food, so he waits until the hand of free-will prepares the table for him, with love of the food of virtue,

which preparation he expects to eat. And thus in in his soul the first and fear, truth, by exercising emptying his affection of all sins, he receives the second fruit, that is, the second state of tears, in which the soul, endued by the affection of love, begins to furnish the house of virtue, and after

the soul, although still imperfect, (we will suppose she has just risen from fear), receives consolation and delight, because

her love has received pleasure from My Truth. And, through the delight and consolation which he finds in Me, he begins to love Me very sweetly, feeling the sweetness of My con solation,

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who

has entered into him in the house of his soul, as soon as fear has purified it, he begins to receive the fruits of My Divine Goodness. Wherefore, after love has entered the house of his soul to

love,

"

possess it, he begins to taste many, various and divers fruits of consolation. And, persevering, he at last receives the fruit of laying the table, when his soul has passed from fear to the love of virtue, having arrived at the third kind of

So he

lays the table of the holy Cross in his heart and in his soul ; this is the table that he lays, because tears.

thereon he finds the fruit of the sweet and amorous

Word

declaring the honour of Me, His Father and your salvation, for which was opened My only-begotten Son s Body, giving Himself to you in food then he begins to eat in honour of Me, and for the salvation of souls, with hatred and dis What fruit does the soul receive from this pleasure of sin. :

third state of tears ?

I tell

thee.

She

receives a certain

strength founded on a holy hatred of her own sensuality, with a pleasant fruit of true humility and patience, which bears every scandal, and saves the soul from all suffering, cutting out self-will, from which arises all suffering, with is scan the knife of hate. (It is only the sensual will that dalised at persecutions, or at the loss of spiritual or temporal consolations, as I have before told thee, and thus comes to

The will being dead, the soul begins to taste, impatience.) with tearful and sweet desire, the fruit of the tears of sweet patience. "

Oh, him who taste "

My

fruit

of great sweetness,

tastes thee in bitterness,

sweetness

how sweet art thou to though he please Me and

!

In time of injury thou receivest peace,

for, if

thou art on

the stormy sea, and perilous winds buffet, with great waves, the bark of the soul, thou remainest peaceful and tranquil, evil, covering the boat with the sweet eternal God, whence thou hast received thy robe of true This and burning charity, into which water cannot enter. Patience is indeed, My dearest daughter, a very queen She conquers, and is standing on the rock of fortitude. never conquered ; she does not stand alone, but is accom-

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She is the marrow of Charity, panied by Perseverance. she it is who shews whether the garment of Charity be the nuptial garment or not ; for if it be torn by imperfection, at once the contrary effect of impatience is proved. All virtues can at one time or other hide, appearing "

when they are imperfect, but to thee, oh Patience, they cannot be hid. For, if this sweet Patience, the marrow of Charity, be in the soul, she proves that all the virtues are living and perfect, and, if she be not there, she shows that all the virtues are imperfect and have not

to be perfect

yet attained to the table of the holy Cross, where Patience is conceived in self-knowledge and in knowledge of My goodness to the soul, and brought forth by means of holy

hatred and anointed with true humility. To this Patience not denied the food of My honour, and the salvation of

is

indeed, she eats of it continually, and this is the truth. Gaze, dearest daughter, on the sweet and glorious

souls,

martyrs who, by their endurance, ate the food of souls. Their death gave life, they raised the dead, and dissipated the darkness of mortal sin. The world, with all its grandeurs, and kings, with all their power, could not defend themselves as they did by virtue of the queen, sweet Patience. This virtue stands like a lantern on a pole. This is the glorious fruit given by tears, when a man has arrived at love of his neighbour, eating the slain and immaculate Lamb, My only-begotten Son, with painful and anxious desire, and with intolerable pain at the offence done to Me, his Creator, not an afflictive pain, because love slays with true patience all fear and self-love which can give pain, but a consolatory suffering, for My offence alone, and the loss of the neighbour, founded in charity, which sorrow fattens the soul, rejoicing in herself, for she has in her sorrow a demonstrative proof that I am present in her by grace."


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1

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;

now

fruit of

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the fourth and unitive tears.

to thee of the fruit of the third

follows the fourth and last state of

kind

of

unitive

tears, which is not separated from the third but united to it, as has been said, in the same way as love for Me is united with love of the neighbour ; the one love flavours the other.

So

greatly has the soul developed in reaching the fourth she not only bears with patience, but even desires,

state, that

with joy, to suffer to such an extent that she despises every recreation from whatever quarter it come, in order that she may be conformed to My Truth, Christ crucified. She receives the fruit of quietness of mind, a union with My sweet Divine Nature, where she tastes the milk, as "

when

the child,

mother, draws mother so the

who

sleeps

at

to itself milk

peace on the breast of

by means of the

its

flesh of its

at this last state, reposes on Divine My Charity, keeping in the mouth of desire the flesh of Christ holy crucified, that is, by follow ;

soul, arrived

the breast of

ing His Footsteps and doctrine ; for the soul learnt well, when she was in the third state, that it was not right for

her to come directly to Me, the Father, because no penalty could be borne by Me, the Eternal Father but it is other wise with My beloved Son, the sweet and amorous Word, and therefore it is that you cannot walk without pain, and, ;

with

much endurance,

will

you

attain to proved virtue.

So

Who

the soul reposes at the breast of Christ crucified, is the Truth, and thus draws to herself the milk of virtue, in

which she finds the life of grace, tasting in herself My Divine Nature, which gives sweetness to virtue, for truly the virtues are not in themselves sweet unless they are performed in and united to Me the Divine Love, so that the soul may have no regard to her own profit, but only act for My honour and the salvation of souls. Now look, sweet daughter, how sweet and glorious is this state, in which the soul has made so close a union with "


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the breast of Charity, that the mouth is not found without the breast, neither the breast without the milk. And so soul does not find herself without Christ crucified or

this

without Me,

the Eternal

Supreme and Eternal

the

powers of that soul are

The memory is

Father, Deity.

filled

Whom she finds, tasting Oh, who can see how the

!

with continual remembrance of Me, which remembrance she draws to herself through love of "

My

filled

benefits, as the affection

them

to

her.

And

of charity with which I gave the benefit of creation,

particularly

seeing herself created in My image and similitude, through benefit, spoken of in the first state, she feels suffering

which

Wherefore for the ingratitude with which she received it. she has arisen from her misery through the benefit of the Blood of Christ, with which

I

re-created her to grace,

wash

ing the face of your souls from the leprosy of sin. In the second state the soul found sweetness, tasting the "

sweetness of love, and the displeasure caused her by guilt, as regards which, she sees that so displeasing to Me was her guilt, that I punished it in the person of My onlybegotten Son. Later she discovers the advent of the Holy Spirit,

Who

When

does

"

convinced, and still convinces, the soul of truth. When she has the soul receive this light ? benefits in

She then

her,

in

both the

first

known

and the second

My

states.

knowing the truth of Me, by love have I created her,

receives a perfect light,

the Eternal Father, that is, that in order to give her eternal life.

For this indeed is the truth, and I have shewn it forth When the soul in the Blood of Christ crucified. has known this love, she loves it, and loving it she proves her love, sincerely loving what I love, and hating what I Thus she finds herself in the third state of love to hate. her neighbour. "

to

you

At this breast of love the memory fills itself, forsaking all imperfections, for it recalls, and keeps in itself, My benefits. The intellect has received light, and, looking into the memory, "

recognises the truth, and, having lost the blindness of selflove, remains in its true object the Sun of Christ crucified


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it

learns to

know God and man.

Besides this

203

know

ledge of union, there rises on the soul a light not acquired by nature, nor obtained through her own virtue, but given her, as a grace, by My sweet Truth, who does not despise the anxious desires and fatigue that she has offered before Then the affection, following the intellect, unites itself Me.

And if any one most perfect and ardent love. She is this soul is ? I would reply, union of so the love. What become another Myself, by this of last unitive tell the excellence state, and tongue can that are received from fruits the divine and varied it, the This filled! is that sweet three powers of the soul being gather ing together which I mentioned to thee, in three general steps, in a previous discourse on the words of My Truth. with

Me

in a

should ask

Me who

The tongue is not sufficient to relate^it, but well did the holy doctors, illuminated with this glorious light, prove its nature, for with it they explained the mysteries of holy Hence that saying of the glorious Thomas of Scripture. "

Aquin, that his learning had come to him rather by means of prayer, elevation of mind, and a Divine Light infused He was a light into his intellect, than by human study.

whom

placed in the mystic body of the Holy Church shadows of error. Turn to the glorious John the Evangelist what light did he not acquire on the And with this light precious Breast of Christ, My Truth I

to disperse the

!

And all the he preached My Gospel for so long a time. saints have manifested it, some in one way and some in but the intrinsic feeling, the ineffable sweetness another of this perfect union cannot be told by thy tongue which is It would seem that Paul meant this but a finite thing. when he said Eye hath not seen what He hath laid up for them that love Him. Oh, how sweet above all sweetness is that dwelling which the soul has made by perfect union with Me She sheds odours over the whole world, the fruits of continual and humble prayers, the odour of her desire cries out for the salvation of souls, with no human These are the fruits of voice, before My Divine Majesty. ;

:

1

!

union, eaten

acquired

by the soul in this life in the last by many fatigues, tears, and sweatings.

state,

And


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thus the soul passes, by true perseverance, from the life of grace and from this union, which, though perfect as far as I grace goes, is yet imperfect, to a durable eternal union. this union imperfect, because, while the soul is bound

call

the body in this life, she cannot satiate herself with what she desires, and also because she is bound by the law of sin, of her passions, though these have been put to But the passions are not dead, for sleep by her virtue. will wake if the instrument of virtue, which makes they up them sleep, be removed for this reason the union is said to be imperfect, but it leads on the soul to receive durable perfection, which can never for any reason be taken away from the soul, because it consists, as I have told thee (in in

;

speaking of the Blessed), in tasting

Me

in very truth, the

Supreme and Eternal Good, Who never These have received eternal life, in con tradistinction to those others who have received the fruit of their sorrow, eternal death. They have come from Eternal Life, the come to an end.

grief to joy,

receiving eternal

life

with the

fruit

of their

tears, shouting with burning love, and offering tears of

fire

Me

for you. And now I of the different states of tears,

have completed the relation and of the perfection and fruit which the soul receives from them, and how the perfect receive, on account of them, eternal life, and the before

wicked, eternal

damnation."

CHAPTER

XCVII.

Y How

this devout soul, thanking God for His explanation of the above-mentioned states of tears, makes three petitions.

THEN

soul, eager with

the greatness of her desire, through the sweetness of the explanation and satisfaction which she had received from the Truth, concerning the state of tears, said as one enamoured Thanks, thanks this

"

be to Thee, Supreme and Eternal Father, Satisfier of holy desires, and Lover of our salvation, Who, through Thy


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Love, didst give us Love Himself, in the time of our warfare with Thee, in the person of Th} only-begotten Son. By this abyss of Thy fiery Love, I beg of Thee grace and mercy that I may come to Thee truly in the light, and not flee far in darkness away from Thy

which Thou hast clearly demonstrated

doctrine, of

to

me

the truth, so that, by the light thereof, I perceive two other p6ints, concerning which I fear that they are, or may

become, stumbling-blocks to me.

I beg, Eternal Father, leave the subject of these states of tears, wouldst explain these points also to me. The first

that, before

I

Thou is when

a person desirous of serving Thee, comes to me, or to some other servant of Thine to ask for counsel, how

should that

Who

teach him ?

I

Thou

I

know, Sweet and

takes delight in few words and

theless, if

Eternal God,

didst reply above to this question

it

please

Thy Goodness

c

many

deeds.

to grant

me

I

am He Never

a few more

words on the subject, it will cause me the greatest pleasure. also, if on some occasion, when I am praying for Thy creatures, and in particular for Thy servants, and I seem to see the subjects of my prayer, in one I find (in

And

the course of

my

prayer) a well-disposed

rejoicing in Thee ; and in another, as to me, a mind full of darkness ; have

it

I

mind, a soul

might the

seem

right,

O

Eternal Father, to judge the one soul to be in light, and the other in darkness ? Or, supposing I should see that the

one lives in great penance, and the other does not, should I be right to judge that he who does the greater penance has the higher perfection ? I pray Thee, so that I may not be deceived through my limited vision, that Thou wouldst declare

to

me

in

detail,

what Thou

hast

already said

in general on this matter. The second request I have to make is, that Thou wilt explain further to me about the sign which Thou didst say the soul received on being

by Thee the sign which revealed Thy Presence. remember well, oh, Eternal Truth, Thou didst say that the soul remained in joy and courageous virtue. I would fain

visited If I

know whether the passion

this joy can consist with the delusion of of spiritual self-love ; for if it were so, I


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These would humbly confine myself to the sign of virtue. are the things which I beg Thee to tell me, so that I may serve Thee and my neighbour in truth, and not fall into For false judgment concerning thy creatures and servants. it seems to me that the habit of judging keeps the soul from Thee, so I do not wish to fall into this snare."

CHAPTER How

far

XCVIII.

the light of reason is necessary to every soul that wishes to God in truth and first of the light of reason in general.

serve

;

THEN

the Eternal God, delighting in the thirst and hunger of that soul, and in the purity of her heart, and the desire with which she longed to serve Him, turned the eye of His "Oh, best-beloved, benignity and mercy upon her, saying rise out of dearest and sweetest daughter, my spouse thyself, and open the eye of thy intellect to see Me, the !

Infinite Goodness, and the ineffable love which I have And open the ear of towards thee and My other servants. the desire which thou feelest towards Me, and remember, that if thou dost not see, thou canst not hear, that is to say, that the soul that does not see into My Truth with the eye of her intellect, cannot hear or know My Truth, where fore in order that thou mayest the better know it, rise above

the feelings of thy senses. "And I, take delight in thy request, will satisfy thy Not that thou canst increase My delight, for I am demand.

Who

the cause of thee and of thy increase not those of Mine. Yet the very pleasure that I take in the work of My own hands causes Me delight." Then that soul obeyed and rose out of herself, in order ;

to learn the true solution of her difficulty. And the Eternal In order that thou mayest the better God said to her, "

understand what

I shall say to thee, I shall revert to the beginning of thy request concerning the three lights which issue from Me, the True Light. The first is a general


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light dwelling in those who live in ordinary charity. (I shall repeat to thee here many things concerning these

which having done

I

have

so,

in

lights,

may The

already told thee, in spite of My order that thy creeping intelligence

better understand that which

thou wishest to know.)

other two lights dwell in those who, having abandoned Besides this I will explain to the world, desire perfection. thee thy request, telling thee in great detail that which I have already pointed out to thee in general. Thou knowest, as I have told thee, that, without the light, no one can walk in the truth, that

is,

without the light of reason, which light

of reason you draw from Me the True Light, by means of the eye of thy intellect and the light of faith which I have given

may have lost it by your and own through the mediation of the Blood of My only-begotten Son, you have received the form of faith ; which faith you exercise in virtue by the light of reason, which gives you life and causes you to walk

you

in

holy baptism, though you

defects.

For, in baptism,

the path of truth, and,

in

the

True Light,

for,

by

without

means, to arrive at Me, it, you would plunge into

its

darkness.

necessary for you to have two lights derived from this primary light, and to these two I will also add a third. "

It is

first lightens you all to know the transitory nature of the things of the world, all of which pass like the wind. But this you cannot know thoroughly, unless you first

The

recognise your own fragility, how strong is your inclination, through the law of perversity with which your members are

bound, to rebel against Me, your Creator (not that by this law any man can be constrained to commit any, even the smallest sin, against his will, but that this law of perversity I did not impose this law fights lustily against the Spirit). rational creature should be upon you, in order that

My

but in order that he should prove and increase the virtue of his soul, because virtue cannot be

conquered by

it,

proved, except by its contrary. Sensuality is contrary to the spirit, and yet, by means of sensuality, the soul is able to prove the love which she has for Me, her Creator. How

does she prove

it

?

When, with anger and

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rises against herself. order to preserve the

thou seest

that,

while

I

ST.

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This law has also been imposed

in

soul in true humility. Wherefore created the soul to Mine own image

and

such dignity and beauty, I by the vilest of all things, imposing on her the law of perversity, imprisoning her in a body, formed of the vilest substance of the earth, so that, seeing in what her true beauty consisted, she should not similitude, placing her in caused her to be accompanied

head in pride against Me. Wherefore, to one who possesses this light, the fragility of his body is a cause of humiliation to the soul, and is in no way matter for pride,

raise her

So that this but rather for true and perfect humility. does not constrain you to any sin by its strivings, supplies a reason to make you know yourselves and This should be seen by the instability of the world.

law but the

eye of the intellect, with light of the holy faith, of which I said to thee that it was the pupil of the eye. This is that light which is necessary in general to every rational creature, whatever may be his condition, who wishes to participate in the life of grace, in the fruit of the Blood of the immacu This is the ordinary light, that is, the light late Lamb. which all persons must possess, as has been said, for, without it, the soul would be in a state of damnation. And, for this reason, because the soul, being without the light, is not in a state of grace, inasmuch as, not having the light, she does not know the evil of her sin or its cause, and therefore cannot avoid or hate it. "

And

similarly if the soul know not good, and the reason is to say virtue, she cannot love or desire either

of good, that

Me, Who am the Essential Good, or virtue, which I have given you as an instrument and means for you to receive My See then how necessary grace, and Myself the True Good. your sins consist in nothing else than in I hate, and in hating that which I love. he who loves vice and hates I love virtue and hate vice virtue offends Me, and is deprived of My grace. Such a one walks as if blind, for he knows not the cause of vice, that is, his sensual self-love, nor does he hate himself on account of it ; he is ignorant of vice and of the evil which is this light, for

loving that which

;


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follows it he is ignorant of virtue and of Me, Who am the cause of his obtaining life-giving virtue; he is ignorant of his own dignity, which he should maintain by advancing to :

grace,

by means of

the cause of

is

light, as

all

has been

virtue.

his evil,

See, therefore,

how

his ignorance

and how thou also needest this

said."

CHAPTER

XCIX.

Of those who have placed their desire rather in the mortification of the body than in the destruction of their own will and of the second light, more perfect than the former general one. ;

"

WHEN

the

soul has arrived

at

the attainment of

the

general light, of which I have spoken, she should not remain contented, because, as long as you are pilgrims in this life, you are capable of growth, and he who does not go forward, that very fact, is turning back. She should either grow the general light, which she has acquired through My Grace, or anxiously strive to attain to the second and

by in

perfect light, leaving the imperfect and reaching the perfect. For, if the soul truly have light, she will wish to arrive at

In this second perfect light are to be found two kinds of perfection for they may be called perfect who have abandoned the general way of living of the world.

perfection.

;

One perfection is that of those who give themselves up wholly to the castigation of the body, doing great and severe penance. These, in order that their sensuality may not

rebel against their reason, rather in the mortification of the

have placed their desire

body than

in the destruc

tion of their self-will, as I have explained to thee in another These feed their souls at the table of penance, and place.

are good and perfect,

if their penance be illuminated by and founded on Me, if, that is to say, they act knowledge of themselves and of Me, with great humility, and wholly conformed to the judgment of My Will, and not to that of the will of man. But, if they were not thus clothed with My Will, in true humility, they would

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often offend against their own perfection, esteeming them selves the judges of those who do not walk in the same

Knowest thou why this would happen to them ? Because they have placed all their labour and desire in the mortification of the body, rather than in the destruction of their own will. Such as these wish always to choose their own times, and places, and consolations, after their own fashion, and also the persecutions of the world and of the Devil, as I have narrated to thee in speaking of the second path.

state of perfection. "

own will,

They say,

cheating themselves with the delusion of their

self-will, which I have already called their spiritual selfI wish to have that consolation, and not these

battles, or these temptations of the Devil, not, indeed, for

my

own

pleasure, but in order to please God the more, and in order to retain Him the more in my soul through grace ;

because is

the

seems

it

and serve

Him

way

to

me

that

better in that

the soul often

should possess way than in this.

I

falls

into trouble,

Him more, And this

and becomes

tedious and insupportable to herself; thus injuring her own perfection ; yet she does not perceive it, nor that, within her, lurks the stench of pride, and there she lies. Now, if the soul were not in this condition, but were truly humble and not presumptuous, she would be illuminated to see that I,

the Primary and Sweet Truth, grant condition, and time, and place, and consolations, and tribulations as they may be

needed for your salvation, and which I have elected the soul.

to complete the perfection to And she would see that I

give everything through love, and that therefore, with love and reverence, should she receive everything, which is what

the souls in the second state do, and, by doing so, arrive at the third state. Of whom I will now speak to thee, explaining to thee the nature of these two states which stand in the most perfect light."


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Of the

third and most perfect state, and of reason, and of the works done by the soul who has arrived at this light. And of a beautiful vision which this devout soul once received, in which the method of arriving at perfect purity is fully treated, and the

means "

to avoid judging our neighbour

THOSE who belong

to the third

is

spoken

state,

of.

which immediately

follows the last, having arrived at this glorious light, are perfect in every condition in which they may be, and receive

every event which I permit to happen to them with due reverence, as I have mentioned to thee when speaking of the third and unitive state of the soul. These deem them selves worthy of the troubles and stumbling-blocks caused them by the world, and of the privation of their own con

and indeed of whatever circumstance happens to as they deem themselves worthy of trouble, so also do they deem themselves unworthy of the fruit which they receive after their trouble. They have known and tasted in the light My Eternal Will, which wishes naught else but your good, and gives and permits these troubles in order that you should be sanctified in Me. Wherefore the soul having known My Will, clothes herself with it, and fixes her attention on nothing else except seeing in what way she can preserve and increase her per fection to the glory and praise of My Name, opening the eye of her intellect and fixing it in the light of faith upon Christ crucified, My only-begotten Son, loving and follow ing His doctrine, which is the rule of the road for perfect and imperfect alike. And see, how My Truth, the Lamb, Who became enamoured of her when He saw her, gives the soul the doctrine of perfection. She knows what this perfection is, having seen it practised by the sweet and amorous Word, My only-begotten Son, Who was fed at the solation,

them.

And inasmuch

honour of Me, the Eternal And, inflamed with this desire,

table of holy desire, seeking the

Father, and your salvation.

He

ran, with great eagerness, to the shameful death of the


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Cross, and accomplished the obedience which was imposed Him by Me, His Father, not shunning labours or insults

on

or withdrawing on account of your ingratitude or ignor ance of so great a benefit, or because of the persecutions of the Jews, or on account of the insults, derision, grum But all this He passed bling, and shouting of the people. like the true and through Knight that He was, Captain

Whom

I had placed on the battle-field to deliver you from the hands of the Devil, so that you might be free, and drawn out of the most terrible slavery in which you could

ever be, and also to teach you His road, His doctrine, and His rule, so that you might open the Door of Me, Eternal

with the key of His precious Blood, shed with such of love, with such hatred of your sins. It was as if the sweet and amorous Word, My Son, should have said to Life,

fire

Behold, I have made the road, and opened thd Do not you then be negligent to door with My Blood.

you:

laying yourselves down to rest in self-love and ignorance of the road, presuming to choose to serve Me in follow,

your own way, instead of in the way which I have made straight for you by means of My Truth, the Incarnate Word, and built up with His Blood. Rise up then, promptly, and follow Him, for no one can reach Me, the Father, if not by Him He is the Way and the Door by which you must enter into Me, the Sea Pacific. When therefore the soul has arrived at seeing, knowing, and tasting, in its full sweetness, this light, she runs, as one enamoured and inflamed with love, to the table of holy ;

"

desire

;

she does not see herself in herself, seeking her

consolation either spiritual or temporal, but, like one

own who

has placed his all in this light and knowledge, and has destroyed his own will, she shuns no labour from whatever source it comes, but rather enduring the troubles, the insults, the temptations of the Devil, and the murmurings of men, eats at the table of the most holy Cross, the food of the honour of Me, the Eternal God, and of the salvation of souls ; seeking no reward, either from Me or from creatures, because she is stripped of mercenary love, that is of love for Me based on interested motives, and is clothed


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Me

in perfect purity, with no other in perfect light, loving and the for than Name, serving glory of praise regard

My

Me

own

her neighbour for her own profit, but purely through love alone. Such as these have lost themselves, and have stripped themselves of the neither

Old Man,

for her

delight, nor

that is of their

own

sensuality, and, having clothed

New Man,

the sweet Christ Jesus, My These are they who sit at Truth, follow Him manfully. the table of holy desire, having been more anxious to slay

themselves with the

own will than to slay and mortify their own body. indeed mortified their body, though not as an have They end in itself, but as a means which helps them to stay their their

own

will,

as

I

said to thee

when

explaining that sentence

wished few words and many deeds, and so ought Their principal desire should be to slay their to do. you own will, so that it may not seek or wish anything else than to follow My sweet Truth, Christ crucified, seeking the honour and glory of My Name and the salvation of souls. Those who are in this sweet light know it, and remain constantly in peace and quiet, and no one scandalises them, for they have cut away that thing by which stumblingthat

I

And all the blocks are caused, namely their own will. can attack Devil and the which the world with persecutions, them, slide under their feet, standing, as they do, in the waters of many tribulations and temptations, and do not hurt them, for they remain attached to Me by the umbilical Such a man rejoices in everything, cord of fiery desire. nor does he make himself judge of My servants, or of any rational creature,

but rejoices in every condition and in

Thanks sees, saying be to Thee, Eternal Father, Who hast in Thy House many And he rejoices more in the different ways of mansions. holiness which he sees, than if he were to see all travelling by one road, because, in this way, he perceives the greatness

every manner of holiness which he

:

My Goodness become more manifest, and thus, rejoicing draws from all the fragrance of the rose. And not only in the case of good, but even when he sees something

of

into judgment, but rather holy compassion, interceding with Me for

evidently sinful, he does not into

true

and

fall


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sinners and saying, with perfect humility To-day it is thy turn, and to-morrow it will be mine unless the Divine :

Grace preserve me. dearest daughter, of this sweet and excellent state, and gaze at those who run in this glorious light and holiness, for they have holy minds, and eat at "

Enamour

thyself,

the table of holy desire, and, with the light, have arrived at feeding on the food of souls, that is, the honour of Me, the Eternal Father, being clothed with burning love in the

My Lamb, My only-begotten Son, namely These do not lose their time in passing false judgments, either on My servants or the servants of the world, and they are never scandalised by any murmurings That of men, either for their own sake or that of others. is to say, in their own case they are content to endure any thing for My Name s sake and when an injury is done to some one else, they endure it with compassion of this injured neighbour, and without murmuring against him who caused the injury, or him who received it, because their love is not disordinate, but has been ordered in Me, the Eternal God. sweet garment of

His

doctrine.

;

And, since their love is so ordered, these souls, my dearest daughter, never take offence from those they love, nor from any rational creature, their will being dead and not alive,, "

wherefore they never assume the right to judge the will of These observe the men, but only the will of My Clemency. doctrine which, as thou knowest, was given thee by My

Truth at the beginning of thy life, when thou wast thinking in what way thou couldst arrive at perfect purity, and wast

Thou praying to Me with a great desire of doing so. knowest what was replied to thee, while thou wast asleep,, concerning this holy desire, and that the words resounded So much so, not only in thy mind, but also in thine ear. rememberest truly, thou didst return to thy waking body, when My Truth said, Wilt thou arrive at that, if thou

i

perfect purity, and be freed from stumbling-blocks, so that

thy mind

may

not be scandalised by anything ?

Unite

thyself always to Me by the affection of love, for I am the Supreme and Eternal Purity. I am that Fire Which purifies the soul, and the closer the soul is to Me, the purer she


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from Me, the more does her why men of the world fall into such iniquities, for they are separated from Me, while the soul, who, without any medium, unites herself Another thing directly to Me, participates in My Purity. is necessary for thee to arrive at this union and purity, namely, that thou shouldest never judge the will of man in anything that thou mayest see done or said by any creature becomes, and the- further she

purity leave her; which

is

is

the reason

whatsoever, either to thyself or to others. My will alone shouldst thou consider, both in them and in thyself.

And,

if

thou shouldest see evident sins or defects, draw out

of those thorns the rose, that is to say, offer them to Me, with In the case of injuries done to thyself, holy compassion.

judge that My thyself, and in

will

My

permits this in order to prove virtue in other servants, esteeming that he who

acts thus does so as the instrument of

My

will ; perceiving, that such sinners moreover, apparent may frequently have a for no one can the secrets of the heart good intention, judge

of man.

judge

That which thou dost not see thou shouldst not

in thy

mind, even though

mortal

in

it may externally be open others but My will, not in

sin, seeing nothing order to judge, but, as has been said, with holy compassion. In this way thou wilt arrive at perfect purity, because

acting thus, thy mind will not be scandalised, either in Me or in thy neighbour. Otherwise thou fallest into contempt of thy neighbour, if thou judgest his evil will towards thee,

My will acting in him. Such contempt and scandal separates the soul from Me, and prevents perfection, and, in some cases, deprives a man of grace, more or less according to the gravity of his contempt, and the hatred instead of

which his judgment has conceived against his neighbour. A different reward is received by the soul who perceives only My will, which, as has been said, wishes nothing else but your good so that everything which I give or permit to happen to you, I give so that you may arrive at the end for which I created you. And because the soul remains in the love of her always neighbour, she remains always in and thus remains united to Me. Mine, Wherefore, in order to arrive at purity, thou must entreat Me to do three things ; "

;


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to grant thee to be united to me by the affection of love, retaining in thy memory the benefits thou hast received

from

Me

and with the eye of thy intellect to see the My love, with which I love you inestimably the will of others to discern My will only, and not ;

affection of

and

in

;

their evil will, for this,

I

am

thou wilt arrive at

their Judge, not thou, and, in

doing

all

perfection. the doctrine given to thee

This was by My Truth, if thou rememberest well. Now I tell thee, dearest daughter, that such as these, who have learnt this doctrine taste the earnest, "

of eternal

life

in this life

thou wilt not

;

and,

thou hast well retained

if

into the snares of the Devil, because thou wilt recognise them in the case about which

this doctrine,

fall

thou hast asked Me. "

more and shew thee how men should never

But, nevertheless, in order to satisfy thy desire

clearly, I will tell thee

disce r n

by judgment, but with holy

CHAPTER

compassion."

CI.

way they, who stand in the above-mentioned third most perfect light, receive the earnest of eternal life in this life.

In what

WHY

say to thee that they received the earnest of I say that they receive the earnest-money, but not the full payment, because they wait to receive it in Me, the Eternal Life, where they have life without death, "

eternal

did

I

life ?

and satiety without disgust, and hunger without pain, for from that divine hunger pain is far away, and though they have what they desire, disgust is far from satiety, for I am It is true that, in this life, they the flawless Food of Life. receive the earnest, and taste it in this way, namely that the soul begins to hunger for the honour of the Eternal God, and for the food of the salvation of other souls, and being hungry, she eats, that is to say, nourishes herself with love of her neighbour, which causes her hunger and desire, for the love of the neighbour is a food which never


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the eater being insatiable and

So this earnest-money is a hungry. a commencement of guarantee which is given to man, in virtue of which he expects one day to receive his payment, not through the perfection of the earnest-money in itself, always

remains

but through faith, through the certitude which he has of reaching the completion of his being and receiving his Wherefore this enamoured soul, clothed in My payment.

Truth, having already received in this life the earnest of My love, and of her neighbour s, is not yet perfect, but I say that this earnest expects perfection in immortal life. not perfect, because the soul who tastes it has not, as yet, the perfection which would prevent her feeling pain in

is

In herself, through the offence done herself, or in others. to Me by the law of perversity which is bound in her

members and

struggles against the spirit, and in others by the offence of her neighbour. She has indeed, in a sense, a perfect grace, but not that perfection of My saints, who

have arrived their

desires

at

Me, Eternal

are without

These servants of Mine, as place,

who

Life,

I

as has been and yours are

for,

suffering,

have said

said,

not.

to thee in another

nourish themselves at this table of holy desire, full of grief, even as My only-begotten

are blessed and

Son was, on the wood of the holy Cross, because, while His flesh was in grief and torment, His soul was blessed In like manner through its union with the divine nature. these are blessed by the union of their holy desire towards Me, clothed, as has been said, in My sweet Will, and they are full of grief through compassion for their neighbour,

and because they afflict their own sensual delights and consolations."

self-love, depriving

it

of


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one should reprove one s neighbour, without false judgment.

falling into

Now listen, dearest daughter. In order that thou mightest understand better that which thou desiredst to know, I have spoken to thee of the general light, which you all must have, in whatever state you be, speaking of those who "

live in

ordinary charity.

And

I

have also spoken of those

who

are in the perfect light, which light I distinguished in two instances, first, that of those who, having left the

world, applied themselves to the mortification of the body, and of those who, in all things, destroyed their own will ; these latter were the perfect souls who nourish themselves I will now speak particularly speaking to thee, and in satisfying thy I wish that thou shall also speak to others.

at

the table of holy desire.

to

thee,

desire,

I

and

in

shouldest do three things in particular, so that ignorance may not prevent the perfection to which I call thee. And I will tell thee the first thing I wish thee to do, in order that the Devil, hidden in the cloak of love of the neighbour, may not nourish within thy soul the root of presumption,

for, by this means, thou wouldest fall into false judgments, which I have forbidden thee, ordering thee to judge aright, whereas thou wouldest judge wrongly, returning to thy human point of view, for the Devil would often cause thee to see what was true, in order to lead thee into falsehood. This he would do in order to make thee judge the minds and intentions of My rational creatures, which fall, as I have told thee, under My judgment alone. This, then, is the first of the three things which I wish thee to do and

observe, namely, that thou shouldest never deliver a judg ment, except under a certain condition, but under that condition I wish thee to do it. The condition is this, I have expressly manifested to thee in thy mind, not once, nor twice, but several times thy neighbour s fault, thou shouldst say nothing in particular to him who

unless


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to thee to fall into

it,

but rather in general correct

who come

to visit thee, and plant the but with a certain and with benignity, lovingly

of those

vices

the

219

virtues

sternness in thy benignity, according as thou shalt see need. appear to thee that I have shown to thee

And if it should many times the was an express

defects of others, unless thou seest that it revelation from Me, as has been said, thou

shouldest say nothing in particular, but devote thyself to the surer way, so as to dispel the delusion and malice of the Devil

;

for,

with the blade of this desire to judge, he

might wound bour "

thee, causing thee often to judge thy neigh falsely, and, thus, often to scandalise him. Wherefore let silence dwell in thy mouth, or holy con

versation about virtue, and the contemptibleness of sin, and attribute that vice, which thou seemest to recognise in another, to thyself, at the same time as to him, and if, in

person should have fallen into that vice, he will himself better, seeing himself so sweetly treated, will be obliged, by thy pleasant warnings, to correct

truth, this

correct

and

himself, and will himself tell thee that very thing which and thus thou thou wast on the point of saying to him wilt remain in safety, and wilt have cut away the road under the Devil s feet, who will not be able to delude thee, ;

I will too that thou or prevent the perfection of thy soul. shouldst know that thou shouldst not trust all thou seest,

but rather cast

it

behind thee and refuse to look at

ing only at thyself and recognising in thyself

My

Thus do

goodness.

state, of

which

I

they,

spoke to thee

who have ;

My

it,

look

bounty and

arrived at the last

they constantly turn to the

do not, on that account, valley And this is diminish the height of their union with Me. the first of the three things which, as I told thee, I wish of

self-knowledge, and

thee to do, in order to serve

Me

in

truth."


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CATHERINE

CIII.

How, if God should manifest mind of that other full of

to a person, praying for another, the darkness, he should not be judged on that account to be in a state of sin.

IF at any time it should happen to thee, as in the case of which thou askest Me the explanation, that thou shouldst be praying in particular for one of My creatures, and that "

during thy prayer, thou shouldest see in him, for whom thou prayest, a ray of grace, and in another, none at all, both persons being servants of Mine, thou shouldest not judge

him who appears

to thee to

have a confused and darkened

mind, to be in a state of grave sin, because often thy judg ment would be false ; and I wish thee to know that often,

when praying for one and the same person, thou wilt some times see him full of light, and of a holy desire before Me; (in so good a state will he appear to thee, that thy soul will grow fat therewith, which is the effect of love, by which you all participate in each other s good) ; and sometimes

thou wilt see the same person, far away in mind from Me, and filled with darkness and temptations, so that it will seem to thee a weariness to pray for him to hold him This happens sometimes through the defect of before Me. thou hast prayed, but more often, not through for whom him his defect, but because I, the Eternal God, have withdrawn

Myself from that soul, as

often do, to bring that soul to according to what I told thee when I

greater perfection, speaking of the states of the soul.

I may have withdrawn, but the of not My grace, feeling it, its sweetness and con solation, deprived of which the mind remains barren, dry,

and

in

grief,

which grief

I

manifest to the soul

who

is

praying, on account of the grace and love which I have to the soul who receives the fruit of the prayer, so that he

who

praying may help him to disperse the clouds which are in his mind. is

See then, sweetest and dearest daughter, how ignorant and worthy of reprehension would be the judgment which "


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thou or another might make at the sight alone of this soul thou wouldst judge that vice was there because I showed her to thee full of darkness, whereas thou seest that such a soul is not deprived of grace, but only of the feeling of ;

My sweetness which I have given her. I wish, therefore, thou and My other servants should also wish, that you should give yourselves up to perfect self-knowledge, so that you may this

My

perfectly recognise

and every other judgment

goodness in you, and leave Me, for judgment is Mine

to

and not yours. Abandon judgment, which is Mine, and take up rather compassion, with hunger for My honour and salvation of Preach virtue with yearning desire, and reprove souls. In vice in thyself and in others, as I have shown thee. this way wilt thou come to Me, in truth, and wilt show that thou hast kept in mind, and observed the doctrine, which was given thee by My Truth namely, to make My will the subject of thy judgments, and not that of man. "This must thou do if thou wilt possess virtue in all its purity, and wilt stand in the last and most perfect light, "

eating at the table of holy desire of the food of souls, to the glory and praise of My Name."

CHAPTER

CIV.

How

penance should not be taken for the foundation or principal end in itself but rather the affection and love of virtue. :

I HAVE spoken to thee, dearest daughter, of two lights, and I will now speak to thee of the third, to which I would have thee pay great attention, reproving thyself, if, at any time, the devil, or thy own low point of view, should have tempted thee to wish to send all My servants along the same road as thyself, for this would be contrary to the "

My

doctrine given thee

by

that a person, seeing

many

Truth.

travelling

penance, would wish to send

all

by

It may often happen by the road of severe

that road, and, seeing


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ST.

they do not all choose it, he is angered, and takes scandal, thinking that such are acting wrongly. Now, see how such a one deceives himself, for it will often happen

that

who is thought evil of because he does less penance, do better and be more virtuous than he who, doing more

that he will

penance, murmurs at

it.

thee above, that those who feed at the table of penance, unless they do so with true humility, their penance, not being to them an end in itself, but merely "

Wherefore

I said to

an instrument of

virtue, will often,

ing, offend against their

own

by

perfection.

murmur They should there

this vice of

fore not remain in ignorance, but should see that perfection does not consist only in the maceration or slaying of the It body, but in the destruction of their own perverse will. by this road of the extinguishing and submission of the

is

human all

My

will to

to walk.

This

sweet is

the

will,

that

I

wish thee

to desire

doctrine of that glorious light, as one enamoured, clothed with

which the soul runs I do not on that account despise penance, for Truth. to macerate the body when it strives to fight it is good against the Spirit, but I do not wish, dearest daughter, that in

My

thou shouldst impose penance as a rule to any one, because all

bodies are not equal, or of the same strong complexion man may have a stronger nature than another,

;

because one

and also because penance, when on account of

it

often happens, as I have told thee, that has been begun, has to be relinquished,

it

many

accidents which

may

occur.

And,

if

the foundation of thy soul was laid in penance, or thou hadst caused others so to lay it, thou wouldest then faint

and become imperfect, lacking consolation, for thou wouldst be deprived of the thing which thou didst love, and which had become thy principal object, and so thou wouldst seem to thyself to be deprived of Me, and of My goodness, and wouldst thus fall into weariness, bitterness and con In this way, thou wouldst lose the benefit of fusion. the spiritual exercise and the fervent prayer which thou wast wont to make when performing thy penance. Thus, having relinquished thy penance on account of some accident

or other, thou wouldst no longer find that savour

in

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This would happen because thy which thou hadst before. foundation would be laid rather in penance than in yearning desire, that

desire

thy

is,

for true

and

real virtues.

how much harm would follow from placing end solely in penance, how thou wouldst become

"See,

then,

ignorant, and fall into murmuring judgments against servants, as has been said, and into weariness and great

My

endeavouring to serve, with finite works only, Me, Good, and therefore demand on your part desire you should therefore place your foundation

bitterness,

Who am infinite

Infinite ;

in the destruction

and extinction of your own

will,

and, by

thus submitting your will to Mine, you will send up before Me a sweet, hungry and infinite desire, seeking My honour And thus will you eat at the and the salvation of souls. table of holy desire, which desire is never scandalised either in itself or in its neighbour, but rejoices in every

and draws fruit from all the divers and varied cir The poor wretches cumstances in which I place the soul. who do not follow this sweet doctrine and smooth road, given them by My Truth, do not so. They do, indeed, the thing,

contrary, judging according to their blindness and infirm

Wherefore they become raving lunatics, and deprive themselves both of the advantages of the world and of heaven. And, in this life, as I have said to thee in another vision.

place, they taste the earnest of

Hell."

CHAPTER A

brief repetition of the

CV.

above-mentioned things with an addition concerning the reprehension of the neighbour. ;

I HAVE now told thee, dearest daughter, and explained to thee, in satisfaction of thy desire, that which thou didst "

ask

Me

what way, namely, thou shouldst judge thy to be deluded by the Devil, or neighbour, own low of view and I have told thee that by thy point thou shouldst reprove in general, and not in particular, unless thou shouldst have had an express revelation from in

so as not

;


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Me ; and that, in that case, thou shouldest, with humility I have blame thyself and thy neighbour at the same time. also told thee, and I repeat it, that, in no case whatever, is it lawful for thee to judge any creature, either in general, or in the particular case of one of My servants, as to whether

And I have given the canst not thou why judge, and why, if thou didst do so, thou wouldst be deceived in thy judgment. I have also told thee, that you should all have compassion

he be well or badly disposed. reason

on each other and leave judgment to Me; and I have given thee the doctrine, and the principal foundation for thee to give to those who should come to thee for counsel, and who should wish to come out of the darkness of mortal sin,

and follow the path of virtue, and knowledge of them My Goodness to them, and the destruction

selves and of

and extinction of in nothing against

their

Me.

own will, so that it may rebel And I have told thee to give them

penance as a means and not as an end, and not to each one equally, but according to their capacity and con dition ; to one less, to another more, shalt thou give these external means. But, because I said to thee that it was not lawful for thee to reprove another, except in general (which is the truth), I do not wish thee to think that, when thou actually seest an open sin, thou canst not privately correct the sinner ; this thou canst do, and if he is so obstinate that he will not correct himself, thou canst manifest his sin to

two or three others

mayest manifest Church.

What

it

I

;

to

and the

if this

does not succeed, thou

mystical

have said to thee

is

body

of

the

holy

that thou canst not

make to thyself any judgment in thy mind, what ever thou mayest appear to see with thine eyes, nor change thy opinions quickly, for, unless thou seest the truth of the lawfully

matter by My express revelation, thou shouldest not make use of the truth, except in the way I have shown thee. is the surer way of preventing the Devil deluding thee under the cloak of neighbourly love. I have now, dearest daughter, completed My explanations on this matter, which thou must preserve, and so increase the perfection

This

of thy

soul."


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of

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knowing when visitations and mental come from God or the Devil.

visions

WILL now speak to thee of that which thou didst ask Me, concerning the sign which I give the soul, that she may know whether the visitations which she receives, either by visions or other consolations, are from Me or not. The sign, I told thee, was the joy which remained in the soul after the visitation, and the hunger for virtue, and specially the anointing of true humility, and the enflaming But since thou askedst of the soul with divine charity.

"

I

me, whether this joy may in any way deceive thee, in order that thou mayest attain to the surer proof, the sign, namely, of virtue which cannot be deceived, I will tell thee a delusion which may occur, by knowing which, thou canst Delusion may determine if the joy is in My Truth or not. occur in this way. Thou must know that, when a rational creature possesses the object which she loves, and has longed to have, the more she loves the object, the less she sees it, and the less she endeavours to prudently examine it, so absorbed is she in the delight and consola tion she

has received from

it.

So do those who take

great

delight in mental consolations, and seek for visions, placing their end rather in the delight of these consolations than in Me, like those of whom I spoke to thee who were still imperfect.

Such as these may be deluded in their joy, ways of delusion of which I spoke to thee

besides other distinctly in will tell thee.

How are they deluded ? I another place. Having conceived a great love of consolation,

when they receive it either by vision or in some other way, they feel joy, for they see that they possess that which they loved and desired. Often, however, their consolation might come from the Devil, and they would feel that joy of which I spoke to thee, saying that when this visitation of the mind came from the Devil, the mind was at first joyful, but after wards remained in grief and an uneasy conscience, and

p


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I now say to thee that have that joy, and on account of it If this joy exist without a burning abandon prayer. desire for virtue, and be not anointed with humility, and on fire with My Divine Love, that visitation, or vision, or consolation, which that soul may have received, comes from the Devil, and not from Me, in spite of the sign of joy. But, inasmuch as the joy is not united with the desire for virtue, thou canst clearly see that it is drawn from the love which that soul had for her own mental consola tion, wherefore she rejoices, seeing that she possesses that which she desired, it being the nature of love of every kind

empty of a the soul

desire for virtue.

may

often

to feel joy in the possession of the beloved object. So that thou canst not trust in joy alone, even if the joy last all the time during which thou hast the consolation, and the more so, that love, ignorant and walking imprudently through its very joy, cannot discern the wile of the Devil but, if the soul walk prudently, she will examine whether or no In this way will she her joy be united to love of virtue. know whether the visitation, which she has received, comes This is that sign of which I spoke from Me or the Devil. to thee, with which I showed thee how thou couldst recognise if thy joy was a sign that thou hadst been visited by Me, namely, if it were united with virtue, as I have truly told ;

thee, for this sign proves to thee what is delusion, and what is not ; that is to say, it distinguishes between the joy which

thou receivest from Me in truth, and the joy which comes from thy spiritual self-love, from love that is, of thy own consolation. The consolation which comes from Me comes with joy and the love of virtue, and that which comes from the Devil brings joy only, and when thou examinest thy soul thou art in the same condition of virtue as thou wert before, for this joy proceeds from love of one s own consola tion, as has been said. But know that not every one is deluded by this joy, but only those imperfect ones who seek for delight and consola tion, and look rather to the gift than to Me, the Giver. Those, on the other hand, who in purity, and with regard for them "

selves, enflamed with love for

Me

alone,

Who

gives,

and not


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own

which they love

for

My

consolation, cannot be deluded

227

sake, and not for their by this joy. They at

once know by this sign when the Devil has wanted, through his deceitfulness, to transform himself into an angel of light and manifest himself to their mind, namely that he arrives suddenly with great joy, but the joy soon passes away, and they find themselves

left in

darkness.

They thus thoroughly

recognise his deceitfulness by their prudence, because they are not passionately in love with (or desirous of) mental con

Then they humiliate themselves with true self-know all consolation, and embracing and holding despising ledge, Then the Devil, confused, fast the doctrine of My Truth. solation.

wheels about, and never comes back again to them in that But those who are lovers of their own consolation, form. Devil, but they will find out the told way you, that is, in the feeling of the joy without the virtue, in that they will not find them will ofttimes receive the

deception in the

I

selves issuing from the experience with humility, true charity, for My honour, am eternal God.

Who

and hunger

My goodness manifested in that I have pro vided against the deception of the perfect ones, and the imperfect ones, in whatever condition they be, because none "And

thus

is

of you can be deceived

if

you

will preserve the light of the

have given you with the pupil of the most not let it be overshadowed by the Devil, and and holy faith, because if you do not take it away veiled with self-love, from yourself, no one else will take it from you."

intellect that

I

"

CHAPTER How God

is

how they

CVII.

the Fulfiller of the holy desires of His servants ; and please Him much who ask and knock at the door of

His Truth with perseverance. "

Now

I

have told thee, dearest daughter, and

to thee, illuminating the eye of thy

fully explained

intellect,

about the


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deceptions the Devil might practise upon thee, and I have satisfied thy desire in that which thou askest Me, because I

Also I not only and he dis you at the door not in Me who does truth, knock, much, pleases of the wisdom of My only-begotten Son, following His doctrine, the following of which doctrine is a knocking,

do not despise the desire of

My

servants.

give to all

who

calling to

Me, the eternal Father, with the voice of holy humble and continual prayers. And I am that

ask, but

I

invite

all to

ask,

desire, with

Father this

Who

gives

sweet door,

you the bread of grace by means of

My

Truth

and sometimes, to

;

desires and your perseverance,

I

test

your

pretend not to understand

you, but I really understood you well, and give you that state of mind that you need, because I give you that hunger and the voice with which you cry to Me, and I, seeing your con stancy, to

Me.

fulfil

It

when He

your desires when they are ordered and directed to such asking as this that My Truth invited you,

was

said,

Cry out and ye shall be answered, knock and

it

shall be opened to you, ask and it shall be given to you. And so I say to thee that I will that thou shouldest never relax the 1

desire of asking for My help, neither lower thy voice from cry ing to Me that I may have mercy on the world ; nor cease

from knocking at the door of Footsteps, and delight thyself

My

Truth, following in His Cross with Him, eating

in the

the food of souls to the glory and praise of My Name ; and lament, with anxiety of heart, over the death of the human generation, that thou seest led to misery so great, that thy On account of this tongue is not sufficient to relate it.

lamenting and crying will I have mercy on the world, and it which I demand from My servants, and which will

is this

be a sign to Me, that they love thee,

I

will not despise their

Me

in truth, and, as

desires."

I

told


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CHAPTER

229

CVIII.

How this

soul, rendering thanks to God, humiliates herself; then she prays for the whole world and particularly for the mystical body of the holy Church, and for her spiritual children, and for the two fathers of her soul and, after these things, she asks to hear something about the defects of the ministers of the holy Church. ;

THEN

seemed beside body were alienated through the union of love which she had made with her Creator, and as if, in elevation of mind, she had gazed into the eternal that soul, as

in

if,

truth, inebriated,

herself, as if the feelings of the

truth with the eye of her intellect, and, having recognised the

had become enamoured of it, and said, "Oh Supreme and Eternal Goodness of God, who am I, miserable one, that Thou, Supreme and Eternal Father, hast manifested to me Thy truth, and the hidden deceits of the Devil, and the deceitfulness of personal feeling, so that I, and others in this !

truth,

of pilgrimage, may know how to avoid being deceived by What moved thee to do it ? Love, the Devil or ourselves because thou lovedst me, without my having loved Thee. Oh, life

!

Fire of I

Love

Thanks, thanks be

!

am imperfect and

Light, hast way of the

shown

doctrine of

Thy

dead, and Thou hast brought

Thou

to Thee, Eternal Father!

of darkness, and Thou, Perfection and to me perfection, and the resplendent

full

only-begotten Son.

me

to

life.

I

was

I

sick

was and

me

medicine, and not only the medicine of the Blood which Thou gavest for the diseased human race in

hast given

the person of

Thy

infirmity that

I

Son, but also a medicine against a secret not of, in this precept that, in no way,

knew

any rational creature, and particularly Thy servants, upon whom ofttimes I, as one blind and sick with this infirmity, passed judgment under the pretext of Thy honour and the salvation of souls. Wherefore, I thank in the manifesting and Eternal that, Thee, Supreme Good, of Thy truth and the deceitfulness of the Devil, and our

can

own

I

judge

passions,

Wherefore

I

Thou

hast

made me know my

infirmity.

beseech Thee, through grace and mercy, that,


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23<>

Thy

doctrine,

CATHERINE

may never again wander from given by Thy goodness to me and

from to-day henceforward, the path of

ST.

I

because without Thee is To Thee then, Eternal Father, do I have nothing done. recourse and flee, and I do not beseech Thee for myself alone, Father, but for the whole world, and particularly for to

whoever wishes

to

follow

it,

the mystical body of the holy Church, that this truth given to me, miserable one, by Thee, Eternal Truth, may shine and also I beseech Thee especially in Thy ministers ;

for

those

all

Thou love

made one

hast

with

a

given me, and whom with me, and whom I thing because love, they will be my

whom Thou particular

hast

refreshment to the glory and praise of Thy Name, when I see them running on this sweet and straight road, pure, and dead to their own will and opinion, and without

any passing judgment on their neighbour, or causing him any scandal or murmuring. And I pray Thee, Sweetest Love, that not one of them may be taken from me by the hand of the infernal Devil, so that at last they may arrive Thee, their End, Eternal Father. "Also I make another petition to Thee for my two fathers, the supports whom Thou hast placed on the earth to guard at

and of

instruct me, miserable infirm one, from the beginning conversion until now, that Thou unite them, and of

my

two bodies make one

soul, and that they attend to nothing else than to complete in themselves, and in the mysteries that Thou hast placed in their hands, the glory and praise of Thy Name, and the salvation of souls, and that I,

an unworthy and miserable slave, and no daughter, may behave to them with due reverence and holy fear, for love of Thee, in a way that will be to Thine honour, and their I peace and quiet, and to the edification of the neighbour.

now know

for certain, Eternal Truth, that

despise the desire of the petitions that

Thou

wilt not

have made to Thee, has pleased Thee to I

know, from seeing what it and still more from proof, that Thou art the manifest, of I, Thy unworthy servant, will Acceptor, holy desires. because

I

strive, according as Thou wilt give me grace, to observe Thy commandments and Thy doctrine. Now, O Eternal Father,


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remember a word which thou

didst say to

231

me

in speaking

of the ministers of the holy Church, to the effect that Thou wouldst speak to me more distinctly, in some other place, of the sins which they commit to-day ; wherefore if it

should please Thy goodness to tell me aught of this matter, I will gladly hear it, so as to have material for increasing

my grief, for

I

compassion, and anxious desire for their salvation ; that Thou didst say, that, on account of the

remember

endurance and tears, the grief, and sweat and prayers of servants, Thou wouldst reform the holy Church, and comfort her with good and holy pastors. I ask Thee this

Thy

in order that these sentiments

CHAPTER How God THEN

increase in

may

me."

CIX.

renders this soul attentive to prayer, replying to one of the above mentioned petitions.

the Eternal God, turning the eye of His mercy upon

this soul, not despising her desire, but granting her requests, proceeded to satisfy the last petition, which she had made

concerning His promise, saying,

"

Oh

!

best

beloved and

dearest daughter, I will fulfil thy desire in this request, in order that, on thy side, thou mayest not sin through ignorance or negligence ; for a fault of thine would be more serious

and worthy of graver reproof now than before, because thou hast learnt more of My truth wherefore apply thyself ;

attentively to pray for all rational creatures, for the mystical body of the holy Church, and for those friends whom I

have given thee, whom thou lovestwith particular love, and be careful not to be negligent in giving them the benefit of thy prayers, and the example of thy life, and the teaching of thy words, reproving vice and encouraging virtue accord ing to thy power. Concerning the supports which I have given thee, of whom thou didst speak to Me, know that thou art, in truth, a means by which they may each receive, according to their "


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needs and

And

ST.

CATHERINE

thy Creator, grant thee the thou canst do nothing, I will opportunity, for without thou but do not fulfil thy desires, fail, or they either, in in Me. Providence will never fail you, and My your hope if shall he be receive that which he is fit humble, every man, fitness.

as

I,

Me

and every minister that which I have given him to administer, each in his own way, according to what he has received and will receive from My goodness." to receive

;

CHAPTER Of the

Now

CX.

dignity of the priest ; and of the Sacrament of the Body of Christ ; and of worthy and unworthy communicants.

will reply to that which thou didst ask Me con the ministers of the holy Church, and, in order that cerning thou mayest the better understand the truth, open the eye of "

thy

I

and look at their excellence and the dignity in have placed them. And, since one thing is better

intellect,

which

I

known by means

of contrast with

thee the dignity of those

have placed

in their

its

contrary,

I

will

show

who

hands

;

use virtuously the treasure I and, in this way, thou wilt the

better see the misery of those who to-day are suckled at Then this soul obediently con the breast of Spouse."

My

templated the truth, in which she saw virtue resplendent in Then said the Eternal God those who truly taste it. I "

:

will first, dearest daughter,

speak to thee of the dignity of

priests, having placed them where they are through My Goodness, over and above the general love which I have had to My creatures, creating you in My image and similitude and re-creating you all to the life of grace in the Blood of My only-begotten Son, whence you have arrived at such excellence, through the union which I

so that of My Deity with human nature and excellence than the have you greater dignity for I took your human nature and not that of the Wherefore, as I have said to you, I, God, have

made

;

in

this

angels,

angels.

become


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man, and man has become God by the union of My Divine This greatness is given Nature with your human nature. in

general to

rational

all

creatures,

but,

among

these

I

have especially chosen My ministers for the sake of your salvation, so that, through them, the Blood of the humble and immaculate Lamb, My only-begotten Son, may be To them have I given the Sun to administered to you. them the light of science and the heat administer, giving of Divine Love, united together in the colour of the

Body

and Blood of My Son, whose Body is a Sun, because He is one thing with Me, the True Sun, in such a way that He cannot be separated or divided from Me, as in the case of the natural sun, in which heat and light cannot be separated, so perfect is their union; for, the sun, never leaving its orbit, lights the whole world and warms whoever wishes to be

warmed by

which

it

shines,

it,

and

for

not defiled by any impurity on light and heat and colour are

is

its

united.

So this Word, My Son, with His most sweet Blood, one Sun, all God and all man, because He is one thing with Me and I with Him. My power is not separated from His wisdom, nor the fiery heat of the Holy Spirit from Me, the Father, or from Him, the Son for He is one thing with us, the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father and the Son, and We together forming one and the same "

is

;

Sun; that is to say, I, the Eternal God, am that Sun whence have proceeded the Son and the Holy Spirit. To the Holy Spirit is attributed fire and to the Son wisdom, by which wisdom My ministers receive the light of grace, so

that

they

may

administer this

light to

gratitude for the benefits received from Me, Father, following the doctrine of the Eternal

others,

the

with

Eternal

Wisdom,

My

only-begotten Son. This is that Light, which has the colour of your humanity, colour and light being closely united.

Thus was

the light of

My

Divinity united to the colour of

your humanity, which colour shone brightly when it became perfect through its union with the Divine nature, and, by this means of the Incarnate Word mixed with the Light of My Divine nature and the fiery heat of the Holy Spirit,


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Whom

have ye received the Light. its

CATHERINE

ST.

have

I

entrusted with

administration ? "

My

ministers in the mystical body of the holy Church, you may have life, receiving His Body in food and

so that

His Blood

in drink.

I

have said

to thee that this

Body

is,

were, a Sun. Wherefore, you cannot receive the Body without the Blood, or the Blood or the Body without the as

it

Word nor the Soul, nor the Body, without the Divinity of Me, the Eternal God, because none of these can be separated from each other, as I said to thee in another place that the Divine nature never left the soul of the Incarnate

human So

that

;

nature, either by death or from any other cause. you receive the whole Divine Essence in that most

Sweet Sacrament concealed under the whiteness of the bread ; sun cannot be divided into light, heat, and colour, the whole of God and the whole of man cannot be separated for even if the host under the white mantle of the host should be divided into a million particles (if it were possible) in each particle should I be present, whole God and whole Man. When you break a mirror the reflection to be seen for as the

;

it is not broken similarly, when the host is divided God and man are not divided, but remain in each particle. Nor is the Sacrament diminished in itself, except as far as may be in the following example.

in

;

"

If

thou hast a

light,

and the whole world should come

to

the light itself does not thee in order to take light from it diminish and yet each person has it all. It is true that

every one participates more or less in this light, according to the substance into which each one receives the fire. I will develop this metaphor further that thou mayest the better understand Me. Suppose that there are many who bring

one weighing an ounce, others two or six or a ounces, pound, or even more, and light them in the each in candle, whether large or small, is the whole flame, their candles,

light,

that

is

to

say, the heat,

the colour, and the flame

;

nevertheless thou wouldst judge that he whose candle weighs an ounce has less of the light than he whose candle weighs

a pound.

Now

the

same thing happens Each one carries

receive this Sacrament.

to

his

those

own

who

candle,


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is the holy desire, with which he receives this Sacra ment, which of itself is without light, and lights it by receiving I say without light, because of yourselves this Sacrament. you can do nothing, though I have given you the material,,

that

with which you can receive this light and feed material love

is love, for

through love

I

The

it.

created you, and without

you cannot live. Your being, given

to you through love, has received the in right disposition holy baptism, which you receive in virtue of the Blood of the Word, for, in no other way, could you participate in this light ; you would be like a "

candle with no wick inside light, if

it,

you have not received

which cannot burn or receive in your souls the wick which

catches this Divine Flame, that

is

to say, the

Holy

Faith,

baptism, united with the disposition of your soul created by Me, so fitted for love, that, without love, which is her very food, she cannot live.

which you

Where

receive,

by grace,

in

does the soul united in this

way

obtain light ?

At

Divine love, loving and fearing Me, and It is true that the following the Doctrine of My Truth. soul becomes more or less lighted according to the material the

fire

of

My

which it brings to the fire for although you all have one and the same material, in that you are all created to My image and similitude, and, being Christians, possess the light of holy baptism, each of you may grow in love and virtue Not that you by the help of My grace, as may please you. that you I but the of have form what given you, change increase your strength in love, and your free-will, by using it while you have time, for when time is past you can no So that you can increase in love, as has been longer do so. love to receive this Sweet and Glorious with said, coming I Which have Light, given you as Food for your service, through My ministers, and you receive this Light according to the love and fiery desire with which you approach It. The Light Itself you receive entire, as I have said (in the example of those, who in spite of the difference in weight of their candles, all receive the entire light), and not divided, because It cannot be divided, as has been said, either on ;

4<

account of any imperfection of yours

who

receive, or of the


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minister

;

ST.

CATHERINE

but you personally participate in this light, that

grace which you receive in this Sacrament, according to the holy desire with which you dispose your selves to receive It. He who should go to this sweet

is

in

the

Sacrament in the guilt of mortal sin, will receive no grace therefrom, though he actually receive the whole of God and the whole of Man. Dost thou know the condition of

who

She is like a candle on which can do nothing but crackle when brought near the flame, for no sooner has the fire touched it, than it is extinguished, and nothing remains but

the soul

receives unworthily ?

which water has

fallen,

smoke so this soul has cast the water of mind upon the candle which she received ;

guilt within

her

in holy baptism,

which has drenched the wick of the grace of baptism, and, it at the fire of true contrition and con

not having heated

fession, goes to the table of the altar to receive this Light with her body, and not with her mind, wherefore the Light, since the soul is not disposed as she should be for so great

a mystery, does not remain by grace in that soul, but leaves her, and, in the soul, remains only greater confusion, for her light is extinguished

and her sin increased by her darkness.

Of

the Sacrament she feels nothing but the crackling of a remorseful conscience, not through the defect of the Light Itself, for that can receive no hurt, but on account of the water that was in the soul, which impeded her proper disposition so that she could not receive the Light. See, therefore, that in no way can this Light, united with its heat and its colour, be divided, either by the scanty desire of the soul when she receives the Sacrament, or by any

defect which

who

may be

administers

it,

as

in the soul, or I

defect of him sun which is not so the sweet Light of

by any

told thee of the

by shining on anything foul, Sacrament cannot be defiled, divided, or diminished in any way, nor can it be detached from its orbit. all the world should receive in communion the Light and Heat of this Sun, the Word, My only-begotten Son, would not be separated from Me the True Sun, His Eternal Father because in His mystical body, the holy Church, He is administered to whoever will receive Him. defiled

this

"If


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237

remains wholly with Me, and yet you have Him, whole

God and whole man, would have

it

as

entire,

metaphor of the from it, each would remain whole."

told thee, in the

I

the world

light, that, if all

came

and yet

it

to take light

CHAPTER CXI How

the bodily sentiments are all deceived in the aforesaid Sacrament, but not those of the soul, therefore it is, with the and of a beautiful latter, that one must see, taste, and touch It ;

vision this soul

had upon

this subject.

OH, dearest daughter, open well the eye of thy intellect and gaze into the abyss of My love, for there is no rational creature whose heart would not melt for love in contem plating and considering, among the other benefits she receives from Me, the special Gift that she receives in the Sacra "

ment. "And

with what eye, dearest

daughter, shouldest thou

and others look at this mystery, and how shouldest thou Not only with the bodily sight and touch, be touch it ? cause in this Sacrament all bodily perceptions fail. The eye can only see, and the hand can only touch, the white substance of the bread, and the taste can only taste "

the savour of the bread, so that the grosser bodily senti ments are deceived ; but the soul cannot be deceived in that is, unless she her sentiments unless she wish to be the light of the most holy faith be taken away from her

let

by

infidelity. "

How

touched

eye

is

within

is this

With

? It it

to is

Sacrament

to

be truly tasted, seen, and

the sentiment of the soul.

be seen

?

With

the eye

the pupil of the most

holy

With what

of the intellect faith.

if

This eye

God and whole man, the Divine human nature, the Body, the Soul,

sees in that whiteness whole

nature united with the

and the Blood of Christ, the Soul united to the Body, the Body and the Soul united with My Divine nature, not


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ST.

CATHERINE

detached from Me, as I revealed to thee, if thou remember well, almost in the beginning of thy life ; and not so much intellect as through thy .at first through the eye of thy bodily eye, although the light being so great thy bodily eyes lost their vision, and only the sight of the eye of thy I showed it to thee for thine enlighten intellect remained.

ment

in the battle that the Devil

thee in this Sacrament

;

and

to

had been waging against

make thee

increase in love

of the most holy faith. Thou knowest that thou wentest one morning to church at sun-rise to hear Mass, having beforehand been tormented by the Devil, and thou placedst thyself upright at the Altar in the light "

of the Crucifix, while the priest went to the Altar of Mary ; thou stoodst there to consider thy sin, fearing to have

offended

Me

through the vexation which the Devil had been

causing thee, and to consider My love, which had made thee worthy to hear Mass, seeing that thou didst deem

When thyself unworthy to enter into My holy temple. the minister came to consecrate, thou raisedst thine eyes above his head while he was saying the words of consecra tion, and I manifested Myself to thee, and thou didst see issue from My breast a light, like a ray from the sun, which proceeds from the circle of the sun without being separated from it, out of the midst of which light came a dove and hovered over the host, in virtue of the words which But sight remained alone in the the minister was saying. because of thy intellect, thy bodily sight was not strong eye stand the and to in that place thou didst see light, enough

whole God and whole

and

taste the

man

concealed and veiled in that whiteness that thou sawedst

Abyss

of the Trinity,

and thou perceivedst that the seeing of the the and presence of the Word, which thou sawedst Light

in the bread

;

intellectually in the whiteness of the bread, did not prevent thee seeing at the same time the actual whiteness of the

bread, the one vision did not prevent the other vision, that is to say, the sight of the God- Man revealed in the bread

did not prevent the sight of the bread, for neither its white This ness, nor its touch, nor its savour were taken away.

was shown thee by

My

goodness, as

I

have said to thee.


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239

of the intellect had the true vision, using the pupil

holy faith, for this eye should be thy principal means of vision, inasmuch as it cannot be deceived ; where How fore, with it thou shouldest look on this Sacrament.

of the

hand of love. With this hand alone canst thou touch that which the eye of the dost thou touch

It ?

By

the

has recognised in this Sacrament. The soul touches with the hand of love, as if to certify to herself that How which she has seen and known through faith.

intellect

Me

With the palate of holy desire. The dost thou taste It ? corporal palate tastes only the savour of the bread ; but the palate of the soul, which is holy desire, tastes God and Man. See, therefore, that the perceptions of the body are deluded, but not those of the soul, for she is illuminated and assured in her own perceptions, for she touches with the hand of love that which the eye of her intellect has seen with the pupil of holy faith ; and with her palate

she tastes is, with fiery desire Ineffable Love, with Which I have receive the tremendous mystery of this that

My

My

Burning Charity,

made her worthy

to

Sacrament and the Grace which is contained therein. See, therefore, that thou shouldst receive and look on this Sacrament, not only with bodily perceptions, but rather with thy spiritual perceptions, disposing thy soul in the way that has been said, to receive,

and

taste,

and see

this Sacrament."

CHAPTER Of the

excellent state of the soul

CXII. who

receives the sacrament

in grace. 4t

SEE, dearest daughter, in what an excellent state is the soul who receives, as she should, this Bread of Life, this Food of the Angels. By receiving this Sacrament she dwells in

Me fish

and

I

in her, as the fish in the sea,

thus do

I

and the sea in the

dwell in the soul, and the soul in

Me

the


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ST.

CATHERINE

Sea

In that soul grace dwells, for, since she has Pacific. received this Bread of Life in a state of grace, My grace

remains in her, after the accidents of bread have been consumed. I leave you the imprint of grace, as does a seal, which, when lifted from the hot wax upon which it has been impressed, leaves behind its imprint, so the virtue of this

Sacrament remains

in

the soul, that

to say, the heat of

is

Divine charity, and the clemency of the Holy Spirit. There also remains to you the wisdom of My only-be gotten Son, by which the eye of your intellect has been

My

illuminated to see and to

know

the doctrine of

My

Truth,

and, together with this wisdom, you participate in My strength and power, which strengthen the soul against her sensual Thou self-love, against the Devil, and against the world. seest then that the imprint remains, when the seal has been taken away, that is, when the material accidents of the bread,

having been consumed, this True Sun has returned to Its Centre, not that it was ever really separated from It, but The Abyss of My loving desire constantly united to Me. for your salvation has given you, through my dispensation

and Divine Providence, coming to the help of your needs, the sweet Truth as Food in this life, where you are pilgrims and travellers, so that you may have refreshment, and not See then how straitly you forget the benefit of the Blood. are constrained and obliged to render Me love, because I love you so much, and, being the Supreme and Eternal Goodness, deserve youi

love."

CHAPTER

CXIII.

How

the things which have been said about the excellence of thisSacrament, have been said that we might know better the dignity of priests and how God demands in them greater purity than ;

in other creatures. "

I

HAVE

told thee

all

this,

dearest

daughter,

mayest the better recognise the dignity to

that

which

I

thou

have


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My

241

ministers, so that thy grief at their miseries If they themselves considered their

be more intense.

may own

dignity they would not be in the darkness of mortal sin, or the face of their soul. They would not only see

defile

their offences against Me, but also, that, if they gave their bodies to be burned, they would not repay the tremendous

grace and favour which they have received, inasmuch as no They are My anointed greater dignity exists in this life. ones, and I call them My Christs, because I have given them the office of administering Me to you, and have placed them like fragrant flowers in the mystical body of the holy

The

Church. given

and

angel himself has no such dignity, for

to those

it

whom

men whom

I

have chosen for

My

I

have

ministers,

have appointed as earthly angels in this life. In all souls I demand purity and charity, that they should love Me and their neighbour, helping him by the ministra tion of prayer, as I said to thee in another place. But far more do I demand purity in My ministers, and love towards Me, and towards their fellow-creatures, administering to them the Body and Blood of My only-begotten Son, with the fire of charity, and a hunger for the salvation of souls, for the glory and honour of My Name. Even as these I

cleanness in the chalice in which this made, even so do I require the purity and cleanness of their heart and soul and mind. And I wish their body to be preserved, as the instrument of the soul in perfect charity ; and I do not wish them to feed upon and wallow in the mire of filth, or to be inflated by pride, seeking great prelacies, or to be cruel to themselves or to their fellow creatures, because they cannot use cruelty to themselves without being cruel to their fellow creatures ; ministers require

Sacrifice

is

by sin they are cruel to themselves, they are cruel to the souls of their neighbours, in that they do not give them an example of life, nor care to draw them out of the hands for, if

of the Devil, nor to administer to them the Body and Blood of My only-begotten Son, and Me the True Light, as I told thee,

and the other Sacraments of the holy Church.

that, in

being cruel to themselves, they are cruel to

So

others."


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CHAPTER How the

ST.

CATHERINE

CXIV.

Sacraments should not be sold or bought, and how they should succour the ministers in temporal things,

who receive them

which the ministers should dispense "

I

WISH

through

in three divisions.

ministers to be liberal and not miserly, or, cupidity and avarice, to sell the grace of the

My

I do not desire this, and Holy Spirit. they ought not to do it; for even as they, by gift and out of the broadness

love have received of

My goodness, so ought they, of in and broadness heart, through affection of love by gift for My honour and the salvation of souls, to give charitably to every rational creature who humbly asks for it and as its because take should have not nothing price, they they received it from but have Me to administer freely bought it, to you. But they can and should take alms, and you, who receive the Sacraments, ought on your side, when you can, to give alms for the ministers should be supported by you in temporal things, and succoured by you in their necessity, and you should be supported and fed by them in that is, in the holy Sacraments grace and spiritual gifts that I have placed in the holy Church for them to ad of

My

;

;

minister to you for your salvation.

And

I

make known

to

you that, without any comparison, they give more to you than you to them, because comparison cannot be made between the transitory and finite things with which you help them, and Me God, Who am Infinite, and through My Divine providence and Divine charity they have

Whom

And not only is it so in the right of administering to you. this mystery, but also in any other spiritual graces which are administered to you by any creature, whether through prayer or through some other means. All your temporal sub stance would never equal,by anycomparison,what you receive

Now

spiritually.

I

tell

you

that the substance

which they

you they are bound to distribute in three ways one for their living, to make of it three parts

receive from that

is,

the other for the poor, and the other should be spent on


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the objects which are necessary for the services of the Church, and in no other way. Doing otherwise they offend Me."

CHAPTER CXV. dignity of priests ; and how the virtue of the Sacraments is not diminished by the faults either of the minister or of the recipient; And how God does not wish seculars to occupy themselves in correcting the clergy.

Of the

THUS did the sweet and glorious ministers of whom I spoke to thee, when I wished thee to see their excellence, over and above the dignity which I had given them in making them My Christs, and who, exercising this dignity in virtue, are clothed in the Light of the Sweet and Glorious Sun, Whom I gave into their hands to administer. "Look at sweet Gregory and Sylvester, and others, their predecessors or successors who have followed the footsteps of My Chief Pontiff, Peter, to whom I gave the keys of the

"

heavenly kingdom of

My

Truth, saying

:

Peter,

I give

thee

of Kingdom of Heaven, and what thou loosest on earth shall be loosed in Heaven, and what thou bindest Now that I have on earth shall be bound in Heaven?

the keys

shown

the

thee, dearest daughter, the excellence of their virtue,

more fully prove to thee the dignity to which I have elected My ministers. They have the key of the Blood of My only-begotten Son, Which unlocks the door of eternal life, which for a long time has remained locked I

will

through the sin of Adam. For that reason I gave you "

My

Truth

;

that is to say,

My Word

My only-begotten Son, Who, enduring His and passion death, by His death destroyed yours, making a bath His Blood and Death, in virtue of His Blood. you of the union between the Divine and human natures, un locked the door of eternal the keys of this Blood ?

life.

To

To whom

did

He

leave

the glorious Apostle Peter,


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and

to all his successors

who

ST.

CATHERINE

are or shall be

till

the

Day

of

of them having the same authority which Judgment, Peter had, which is not diminished by any defect of their own, nor is any defect caused thereby to the Blood or to all

any

of this

the

Sacraments,

as

for,

Sun does not become

I

have

already

told

defiled

by any impurity and does not lose Its light amid the darkness of mortal sin, whether it be in the minister or in the recipient, such sin merely diminishing grace and increasing sin in the unworthy minister or recipient. Thus the Christ on earth holds the keys of the Blood, as,

thee,

on which

It

shines,

thou remember,

I manifested to thee in this parable, what seculars thee reverence showing ought to have for be whether or ministers, good evil, and how much they My

if

irreverence towards them displeases Me. Thou rememberest that I represented the mystical body of the holy Church to thee under the form of a cellar, in which cellar was the Blood

My only-begotten Son, Which gives efficacy to all the Sacra At the door of the cellar was the Christ on earth, ments.

of

who was

charged with the administration of the Blood, and with the choice of co-administrators who should help him

whole body of Christian accepted and anointed by him, people. From became the minister of the Blood, and no others. him issues the whole order of clerks, each of whom is placed in his particular office to administer the glorious Blood and, as the Christ on earth has chosen them for his helpers, the right of correcting their defects belong to him alone, For I have withdrawn them from and so I wish it to be. service and subjection to temporal masters, on account of the excellence and authority which I have given them. Civil law has got nothing to do with their punishment; that right is placed in him whose office it is to govern under the Divine law, for these are My anointed ones, and inasmuch Do not touch My Christsj as I have said in the Scripture no greater ruin can come upon man than to constitute him to administer It throughout the

He who was

;

:

self their

punisher."


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CHAPTER

245

CXVI.

How God

considers persecutions directed against the holy Church or her ministers as directed against Himself ; and how this sin is graver than any other.

"

IF thou shouldst ask

tion

of the

why

it

is

Me how

holy Church

is

it

is

that the sin of persecu

graver than any other, and should not diminish the

that the sins of clerks

I should reply, Because all reverence them is not paid to them, but to Me, in virtue of the Blood Which I have given them to administer. For if it were not so, you would owe them no more reverence than to other men of the world but, on account of their ministry, you are obliged to do them reverence, and come to them, not for their own sakes, but on account of the power which I have given them, if you wish to receive the Sacraments of the holy Church for, should you neglect receiving them when you could you would die in a state ot So the reverence paid to them is paid to Me damnation. to and the glorious Blood, It being one thing with Me, by the union of the Divine nature with the human. And, as the reverence so is the irreverence, as to which I have said to thee that reverence should not be paid to them for their own sakes, but on account of the authority which I have wherefore, no man should offend them, because given them in offending them he offends Me and not them, for I have forbidden it, and have said that I do not wish My Christs to be touched by their hands. And on this account no one I do not rebel against the can excuse himself, saying

reverence paid to them,

which

is

paid to

;

;

;

:

holy Church, but only against the sins of evil pastors. Such a man, lifting his mind against his leader and blinded

by

self-love,

does not see the truth, though indeed he really

well enough, but pretends not to, in order to deaden the sting of conscience. For he sees that, in truth, he is

sees

it

The insult is persecuting the Blood, and not Its servants. to Me, just as the reverence was My due. Wherefore

done

every damage,

insult,

rudeness, contempt, and blame done


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them

is

ST.

Me

directed against

;

CATHERINE that

is

to

say,

that

I

Me

whatever is done to them, for I have said and repeat that I do not wish My Christs to be touched by them, it being My business to punish them, and not theirs. Such wicked men only prove their irreverence towards the Blood, and that they do not hold dear the Treasure Which I have given them for the salvation and life of their souls. More I could not give them than the whole of God and the whole of Man for their Food, as I have said. But, inasmuch as they did not reverence Me and My servants, they have diminished their dignity, and persecuted them, seeing in them many sins and defects, as in another consider as done to

place

Me

I

will narrate to thee.

If

they had, in truth, reverenced

would not have risen against them for any personal defect, for no such defect can diminish the virtue of this Sacrament. Wherefore they should not diminish their reverence, and doing so they offend Me. This sin is graver than all others for many reasons, of which I will tell thee the three principal ones. One is that what they do to My servants they do to Me another is because in this way they disobey My Commandment, since I have forbidden in them, they

;

My

servants to be touched, so they despise the virtue of Which they received in holy baptism, disobediently

the Blood

doing that which

I

have forbidden them, and become rebels It, and

against the Blood, having lost their reverence for rising against

putrid

It

members

with terrible persecutions. They are like cut off from the mystical body of the holy

Church wherefore, if they remain obstinate in this rebellion and irreverence, dying in the same, they receive eternal ;

is true that, when they are at their last they humble themselves and recognise their and wish to reconcile themselves to their leader, even

damnation. extremity, fault,

It

if

they cannot actually do so, they receive mercy. They should not, however, put off the time of conversion, because they are not sure of having it. The third reason why their if

sin is graver than

all

others

is

because

deliberate malice, and because they

it

is

know

committed with

that they cannot act in such a way with a good conscience, and must offend Me if they do so. Wherefore, their offence is a perverse


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pride without any corporal pleasure, though, on account of The soul is consumed. it, the body as well as the soul is

consumed by the privation of grace, and gnawed by the the temporal substance is consumed of conscience in the service of the Devil, and their bodies die like those So that this sin is committed directly of the animals.

worm

;

against Me, without any colour of their profit, but solely through malice and the

own

pleasure or

smoke of

pride,

which pride is born of sensual self-love and of that perverse fear which Pilate had, when, for fear of losing his post, he These men do the slew Christ, My only-begotten Son. All other sins are committed through simplicity, or same. ignorance, or malice,

that

in

the

knows

sinner

the

evil

which he does, but on account of the disordinate delight, or some pleasure or profit which he finds in the sin, commits and his it, and, committing it, offends his own soul, and Me, not Me he offends, because he does pay glory neighbour. and praise to My Name his neighbour, because he does not but he does not personally give him the light of love attack Me, but offends himself, which offence displeases Me, But this sin is on account of the loss which he incurs. Other sins aimed directly at Me without any medium. are committed with some sort of colour or excuse, and by means of some one else for, as I have told thee, both sins and virtues are exercised by means of the neighbour and, since sin deprives the sinner of Me, and of his neighbour ;

;

;

;

for his neighbour is offended by the lack of love involved in the sin But, they offend Me by these indirect means.

in this case, they rational creatures

offend

Me

for

directly,

among

all

My

have chosen these My ministers, who are My anointed ones, as I have said to thee, ministers of the Body and Blood of My only-begotten Son, who, standing I

My

at the altar in the person of Christ, Divine nature. your human flesh with

Son, consecrate

My

"

Their offence

Him

is

therefore done to the

He and

Word, and being

are one and the poor wretches persecute the Blood and This is why grave sin is deprive themselves of Its fruit. committed against Me, and not against My ministers, for I

done

same.

to

is

These

done

to

Me,

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I


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do not attribute to them either the honour or the persecu tion which they receive for My sake, for they are both directed to Me, that

Who

is to

say, to the glorious Blood of

My

one and the same with Me.

Wherefore I say to thee, that, if all the other sins of these men were in one scale of the balance, and this one sin in the other, the scale containing their irreverence would outweigh the other, in the manner that has been said. I have manifested this to thee, so that thou mightest have greater matter of grief at the offence done to Me and the damnation of these poor wretches, so that, through your grief and sorrow, and that of My other servants, the darkness that has come on these Son,

is

putrid members, cut off from the mystical body of the holy But I find Church, should be dissolved by My goodness.

hardly any

who

this glorious

shoot at

grieve over the persecution directed against

and precious Blood

;

I

though

find

many who

Me

continually with the arrows of disordinate love and servile fear, and, blinded by their self-esteem, consider that to be an

honour which

disgrace which

is

humble themselves

in to

truth,

is

a disgrace

an honour

their leader.

;

On

;

and

that

to say, to

account of these

sins they have risen against the Blood to persecute

CHAPTER

be a

that to is

It."

CXVII.

Here God speaks against those, who persecute the holy Church and His ministers, in various ways. I HAVE said that they persecute Me, and it is true that they do so, as far as they can, in intention. But I, person ally, can receive no hurt or be in any way injured by them, "

for I

am

like a stone which, if

it

be thrown, does not

itself

receive the blow, but returns against him who threw it. In this way the blows of their offences, which exhale a

stench towards Me, cannot really injure Me, but their arrow returns to them poisoned with their guilt, which deprives them, in this life, of grace, and loses for them the fruit of the Blood.


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And

at last, if they have not corrected themselves with holy confession and contrition 01 heart, they arrive at eternal damnation, being cut off from Me and being bound to the

For, as Devil, with whom they have leagued together. soon as the soul is deprived of grace, she is bound to sin, with a bond of hatred against virtue and love of vice ; with this bond they have placed themselves by their free will in

the hands of the Devil, and are bound to him, for in no With the same bond are other way could they be bound. the persecutors of the Blood bound one to another, and bound to the Devil as his members, having taken on them selves the function of devils.

My

creatures and

The

devils strive to pervert grace, and lead them

draw them from

into the guilt of mortal sin, in order to infect

My

creatures

Such with the same evil which they have in themselves. men as these do the same, neither more nor less ; for, like members of the Devil, they go about subverting the sons of the spouse of Christ, My only-begotten Son, and loosening them from the bond of charity, binding them, when deprived of the fruit of the Blood, with the miserable bond with This bond is fastened which they themselves are bound. with the knot of pride, and self-esteem, and servile fear; for

it is

through fear of losing their temporal possessions

that they lose their grace, and fall into the greatest confu sion into which they can come, being deprived of the

This bond is sealed with the seal of do not know into what miseries they Where have fallen themselves, and make others to fall. correct in do not their fore, themselves, but, ignorance, they

dignity of the Blood.

darkness

;

for they

men, take glory in the destruction of their soul and body. Let it grieve thee inestimably, dearest daughter, to see such blindness and misery in those who have been washed in the Blood like thee, and nourished and brought up on the same Blood, at the breast of the holy Church, and, having become rebels through fear, and, under colour of correcting the defects of My ministers, whom I have forbidden them to touch, have left their mother s breast. Thou and My other servants should be in terror when you No tongue can tell hear this miserable bond spoken of.

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how abominable

it is to Me, and it is the worse, because they wish to cloak and hide their own defects with the mantle of the defects of My ministers, and they do not consider that no such mantle can repair their sins to My

They might, indeed, well eyes, which see everything. enough hide them from the eyes of My creatures, but not for I loved from Me, from Whom nothing can be hidden you and knew you before you were in existence. And this is one of the reasons why the wretched men of the world do not correct themselves, because they do not really ;

believe, with the light

of a lively

faith,

that

I

see them.

they really believed that I saw their sins, and that every sin would be punished, as every virtue rewarded, as I said to thee in another place, they would not do so much

For

evil,

if

but would correct themselves of that which they have

humbly implore My mercy, and I would But they are give it them through the Blood of My Son. obstinate and reprobated by My goodness for their sins, done, and would

and fallen into the final ruin of privation of light, and have become blind persecutors of the Blood, which persecution can find no excuse in any sin which may appear in the ministers of the

Blood."

CHAPTER A brief repetition

CXVIII.

of the above things, concerning the holy ministers.

Church and her

I HAVE told thee something, dearest daughter, of the reverence which should be paid to My anointed ones, in spite of their defects ; such reverence being paid to them, not on their own account, but because of the authority

"

I have given them. And, inasmuch as the mystery of the Sacrament cannot be diminished or divided by their

which

sins, the reverence due to the Treasure of the Blood, and not to them personally, should not be diminished thereby. As for those who do the contrary, I have shown thee, "


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to a small extent, how grave and displeasing to Me is their irreverence and persecution of the Blood, and I have shown thee the league which they have made against Me, bound to the service of the Devil, in order that thy grief might

This sin of which

increase. is

that of

persecution

of

I

the

have spoken to thee in detail holy Church, and of the

Christian religion in general, by sinners who despise the This Blood, depriving themselves of the light of grace.

and displeases Me, as

sin is serious, in

I

have narrated to thee

detail."

CHAPTER Of the

CXIX.

excellence, virtues, and holy works of virtuous ministers and how such are like the sun.

and holy

;

"

I

WILL

ment

now

speak to thee, in order to give a

to thy soul,

and

to mitigate

thy

little

grief at the

refresh

darkness

of these miserable subjects, of the holy life of some of My ministers, of whom I have spoken to thee, who are like the

sun, for the odour of their virtues mitigates the stench of the vices of the others, and the light thereof shines in

And, by means of this light, wilt thou the be able to understand the darkness and sins of My better their darkness.

unworthy ministers. Open then the eye of thy intellect and gaze at the Sun of Justice, and thou wilt see those glorious ministers, who, through ministering the Sun, have become like to It, as I told thee of Peter, the prince of the Apostles, who received the keys of the kingdom of Heaven. I say the same of these others, who have administered, in the garden of the holy Church, the Light, that is to say, the the Blood of My only-begotten Son, is Himself the undivided Sun, as has been said, and all the

Body and

Who

Sacraments of the holy Church, which all give life in virtue of the Blood. Each one, placed in a different rank, has administered, according to his state, the grace of the Holy With what have they administered it ? With the Spirit.


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which they have drawn from

light of grace,

With

light alone ?

must none

at

No

this

True Light.

because the light cannot be separated from the warmth and colour of grace, wherefore a man either

have the

all.

;

light,

warmth, and colour of grace, or

A man

in mortal sin is deprived of the life of is in grace has illuminated the eye of

grace, and he who his intellect to know

Me, Who gave him both grace and the which preserves it, and, in that light, he knows the misery and the reason of sin, that is to say, his own selflove, on which account he hates it, and thereby receives the warmth of Divine love into his affection, which follows his intellect, and he receives the colour of this glorious Light, following the doctrine of My sweet Truth, by which his virtue

memory

is filled

Thou

with the benefit of the Blood.

seest,

no one can receive the light without receiving the warmth and the colour, for they are united together and are one thing wherefore he cannot, as I have said to thee, have one power of his soul so ordered as to receive Me, the True Sun, unless all three powers of his soul are brought together and ordered in My Name. For, as soon as the eye of the intellect lifts itself with the pupil of faith above therefore, that

;

sensual vision in the contemplation of Me, affection follows intellect sees and knows, and the it, loving that which the memory is filled with that which the affection loves ; and, as

soon as these powers are thus disposed, the soul participates in Me, the Sun Who illuminates her with My power, and with the wisdom of My only-begotten Son, and the fiery See, then, that these have clemency of the Holy Spirit. taken on them the condition of the Sun, for, having clothed themselves, and filled the power of their soul with Me, the true Sun, they become like Me. The Sun illuminates them

and causes the earth of their souls to germinate with Its heat. Thus do My sweet ministers, elected and anointed and placed in the mystical body of the holy Church, in order to administer Me, the Sun, that

and Blood of

My

other Sacraments, which draw their this

is

only-begotten Son, life

to say, the

Body

together with the

from

this

Blood

;

they do in two ways, actually, in administering the

Sacraments,

and

spiritually,

by shedding

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mystical body of the holy Church, the light of supernatural science, together with the colour of an honourable and

holy life, following the doctrine of My Truth, which they administer in the ardent love with which they cause barren fruit, illuminating them with the light of their and driving away the darkness of their mortal sin and infidelity, by the example of their holy and regular life, and reforming the lives of those who live in disorder and darkness of sin, and in coldness, through the privation of

souls to bear

science,

So thou seest that they are the Sun, because they charity. have taken the condition of the Sun from Me, the True Sun, because, through affection of love, they are one thing with Me, and I with them, as I narrated to thee in another place, and each one has given light in the holy Church, according to the position to which I have elected him Peter with preaching and doctrine, and in the end with blood Gregory with science, and holy scripture, and with :

;

life ; Sylvester, against the infidels, and with disputation and proving of the most holy faith, which he made in word and in deed, receiving virtue from Me. If thou turnest to Augustine, and to the glorious Thomas

the mirror of his

and Jerome, and the others, thou wilt see how much light they have thrown over this spouse, extirpating error, like lamps placed upon the candelabra, with true and perfect And, as if famished for such food, they feed upon My honour, and the salvation of souls, upon the table of The martyrs, indeed, with blood, the most holy Cross. which blood cast up sweet perfume before My countenance ; and, with the perfume of blood, and of the virtues, and with

humility.

the light of science, they brought forth fruit in this spouse and extended the faith, and, by their means, the light of the

most

holy

faith

was rekindled

in

the

darkened.

And

prelates, placed in the position of the prelacy of Christ

earth, offered

on

Me

the sacrifice of justice with holy and The pearl of justice, with true humility, and

upright lives. most ardent love, shone in them, and in their subjects, with the light of discretion. In them, principally because they justly paid

Name,

Me My

due, in rendering glory and praise to My own sensuality, hatred and displeasure,

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and of

With humility they trampled on

pride,

despising vice and embracing virtue, with love of their neighbour.

and, with purity of heart and of body, came, like angels, to the table of the altar, and, with sincerity of mind, celebrated,

And, because they first had they therefore did justice to

burning in the furnace of love.

done

justice to

themselves,

those under them, wishing to see them live virtuously, and correcting them without any servile fear, because they were

not thinking of themselves, but solely of My honour and the salvation of souls, like good shepherds, followers of the

Good Shepherd,

My

Whom

Truth,

I

gave you to lead your

sheep, having willed that He should give His life for you. These have followed His footsteps, and therefore did they correct them, and did not let their members become putrid for want of correcting, but they charitably corrected them with the unction of benignity, and with the sharpness of fire, cauterising the wound of sin with reproof and penance,

or much, according to the graveness of the fault. And, order to correct it and to speak the truth, they did not even fear death. They were true gardeners who, with care little

in

and holy

tears,

took away the thorns of mortal sins, and Wherefore, those under

planted plants odoriferous of virtue.

them

lived

in

holy, true

fear,

and

grew up

like

sweet

smelling flowers in the mystic body of the holy Church, (because they were not deprived of correction, and so were

not guilty of

any

sin), for

My

gardeners corrected them without from it, and without any sin,

servile fear, being free

they balanced exactly the scales of holy justice, And this reproving humbly and without human respect. is that pearl which shines in them, and which and was justice for

gave peace and light in the minds of the people and caused And I holy fear to be with them, and unity of hearts. would that thou know that, more darkness and division have come into the world amongst seculars and religious and the clergy and pastors of the holy Church, through the lack of the light of justice, and the advent of the darkness of than from any other causes. civil law, nor the divine law, can be kept in any degree without holy justice, because he who is not injustice, "

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and does not correct others, becomes like a limb putrifies, and corrupts the whole body, because the bad physician, when it had already begun to corrupt, placed

corrected,

which

ointment immediately upon

it,

without having

first

burnt the

wound. So, were the prelate, or any other lord having sub jects, on seeing one putrifying from the corruption of mortal sin, to apply to him the ointment of soft words of en couragement alone, without reproof, he would never cure him, but the putrefaction would rather spread to the other members, who, with him, form one body under the same But if he were a physician, good and true to those pastor. as were those glorious pastors of old, he would not souls, give salving ointment without the fire of reproof. And, were the member still to remain obstinate in his evil doing, he would cut him off from the congregation in order that

he corrupt not the other members with the putrefaction of mortal sin. But they act not so to-day, but, in cases of evil doing, they even pretend not to see. And knowest thou wherefore ? The root of self-love is alive in them, wherefore they bear perverted and servile fear. Because they fear to lose their position or their temporal goods, or their prelacy, they do not correct, but act like blind ones, in

way by which their position is to be kept. If would they only see that it is by holy justice they would be able to maintain it ; but they do not, because they are deprived of light. But, thinking to pre serve their position with injustice, they do not reprove the faults of those under them and they are deluded by their that they see not the real

;

own

sensitive self-love, or by their desire for lordship and prelacy, and they correct not the faults they should correct

same or greater ones are their own. themselves comprehended in the guilt, and they therefore lose all ardour and security, and, fettered by servile

in others, because the

They

feel

fear,

they

make

believe not to see.

do see they do not

And, moreover,

if

they

bound words and with many presents, and

correct, but allow themselves to be

over with flattering they themselves find the excuse for the guilty ones not to be punished. In such as these are fulfilled the words spoken

by

My

Truth, saying

:

These are blind

and

leaders

of the


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and

blind,

ST.

CATHERINE

if the blind lead the blind, they both fall into the

My sweet ministers, of whom I spoke to thee, who have the properties and condition of the sun, did not, And they and do not (if there be any now) act so. are truly suns, as I have told thee, because in them is no darkness of sin, or of ignorance, because they follow the 1

ditch.

doctrine of

burn

My

Truth.

They

the furnace of

in

My

are not tepid, because they and because they are

love,

despisers of the grandeurs, positions, and delights of the world. They fear not to correct, for he who does not it, and will and he whose conscience does not reprove manfully, reprove him of guilt, does not fear.

desire lordship or prelacy will not fear to lose

"And

therefore this pearl of justice

was not dimmed

in

My

anointed ones, My Christs (of whom I have narrated to thee), but was resplendent in them, wherefore they embraced

voluntary poverty, and sought out vileness with profound humility, and cared not for scorn or villainies, or the detractions of men,

or insult, or opprobrium, or pain,

or

torment. "They

were cursed, and they blessed, and, with

true

patience, they bore themselves like terrestrial angels, not by nature, but by their ministry, and the supernatural grace

given to them, of administering the Body and Blood of My And they are truly angels. Because, only-begotten Son. as the angel, which I give thee to be thy guardian, ministers

and good inspirations, so were these ministers and were given by My goodness to be guardians, angels, and therefore had they their eye continually over those under them, like real guardian angels, inspiring in their hearts holy and good thoughts, and offering up for them before Me, sweet and amorous desires with continual prayer, and the doctrine of words, and with example of life. So to thee holy

thou seest that they are angels, placed by like lanterns in the mystic

tions,

said.

burning love, to be have guides to

ye blind ones may way of truth, giving you good inspira you with prayers and example of life, and doctrine as I With how much humility did they govern those

your guardians, so direct

My

body of the holy Church,

into the

that


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257

With how much

liberality, did they of the distribute to the poor the substance holy church, not fearing, or caring if for them and their subjects temporal

substance diminished.

And

they scarcely observed that

really bound to do, that is, to distribute the temporal substance to their own necessity being the poor in the church. They saved nothing, and after their death

which they were

there remained no

money

at

all,

and there were some even

who, for the sake of the poor, left the church in debt. This was because through the largeness of their charity, and of the hope that they had placed in My Providence, they were without servile fear that aught should diminish to

is

them, either spiritual or temporal. "The sign that a creature hopes in Me and not in himself, that he does not fear with a servile fear. They who

themselves are the ones who fear, and are afraid of own shadow, and doubt lest the sky and earth fade away before them. With such fears as these, and a perverted hope in their own small knowledge, they spend so much miserable solicitude in acquiring and preserving

hope

in

their

temporal things, that they turn their back on the spiritual,

But they, miserable, faithless, proud caring not for them. ones consider not that I alone am He who provides all things necessary for the soul and the body, and that with the same measure that My creatures hope in Me, will My

The miserable presump providence be measured to them. tuous ones do not regard the fact that I am He who is, and

who are not, and that they have received and every other additional grace, from My being, And therefore his labour may be reputed to Goodness. be in vain, who watches the city if it be not guarded by Me. All his labour will be vain, if he thinks by his

they are they their

labour or solicitude to keep is

true that

I

graces which

I

because

alone keep it. It and exercise the you your being, have bestowed upon you, in virtue using the

desire

it,

I

to use

which

I have given you, with the light of reason, because though I created you without your help I will not I loved you before you were, and save you without it.

free-will

R


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those

beloved ones saw and

My

they loved greatly in

ST.

Me ineffably, Me that they

CATHERINE

knew

and through

this,

and therefore

their love

hoped so

feared nothing. Sylvester feared he stood before the Emperor Constantine disputing

not when with those twelve Jews before the whole crowd, but with lively faith he believed that I being for him, no one could be against him and in the same way the others all lost their every fear, because they were not alone but were ;

accompanied, because being in the enjoyment of love, they were in Me, and from Me they acquired the light of the wisdom of My only-begotten Son, and from Me they received the faculty to be strong and powerful against the princes and tyrants of the world, and from Me they had the fire of the Holy Spirit, sharing the clemency and burning love of that Spirit. "

it,

This love was and

with the light of

the companion of whosoever desires faith, with hope, with fortitude, true is

So thou patience and long perseverance even until death. seest that because they were not alone but were accompanied

He only who feels himself to be nothing. in and alone, himself, deprived of the affection of love, hopes afraid of and is fears, every little thing, because he alone is without Me Who give supreme security to the soul who And of this possesses Me through the affection of love. did those glorious ones, My beloved, have full experience, for nothing could injure their souls; but they on the contrary could injure men and the devils, who ofttimes remained bound by the virtue and power that I had given My This was because I responded to the servants over them. and faith love, hope they had placed in Me. Thy tongue would not be sufficient to relate their virtues, neither the eye of thy intellect to see the fruit which they receive in everlasting life, and that all will receive who follow in their They are like precious stones, and as such do footsteps. in stand My presence, because I have received their they labour and poverty and the light which they shed with the odour of virtues in the mystic body of the holy church. And in the life eternal I have placed them in the greatest dignity, and they receive blessing and glory in My sight, they feared


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because they gave the example of an honourable and holy life, and with light administered the Light of the Body and Blood of My only-begotten Son, and all the Sacraments.

And

My

these

anointed ones and ministers are peculiarly

beloved by Me, on account of the dignity which I placed in them, and because this Treasure which I placed in their hands they did not hide through negligence and ignorance,

but rather recognised it to be from Me, and exercised it with care and profound humility with true and real virtues ; and because I, for the salvation of souls, having placed them in so much excellency they never rested like good shepherds from putting the sheep into the fold of the holy church, and even out of love and hunger for souls they gave themselves to die, to get them out of the hands of the devil. They made themselves infirm with those who were so that they might not be overcome with despair, infirm,

and

them more courage in exposing their infirmity, would ofttimes lend countenance to their infirmity and they I am infirm with thee. too, say, They wept with those who wept, and rejoiced with those who rejoiced and thus sweetly they knew to give every one his nourishment, preserving the good and rejoicing in their virtues, not being to give

;

gnawed by envy, but expanded with the broadness of love for their neighbours, and those under them. They drew the imperfect ones out of imperfection, themselves becoming imperfect and infirm with them, as I told thee, with true

and holy compassion, and correcting them and giving them penance for the sins they committed they through love endured their penance together with them. For through who more the bore love, they pain than they gave penance, who received it and there were even those who actually performed the penance, and especially when they had seen that it had appeared particularly difficult to the penitent. Wherefore by that act the difficulty became changed into ;

sweetness.

beloved ones, they made themselves subjects, being prelates, they made themselves servants, being lords, they made themselves infirm, being whole, and without "Oh

!

infirmity

My

and the leprosy of mortal

sin,

being strong they


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made themselves weak, with

the foolish and simple they and with the small insignificant. simple, And so with love they knew how to be all things to all men, and to give to each one his nourishment. What caused them to do thus ? The hunger and desire for My honour and the salvation of souls which they had conceived in Me. They ran to feed on it at the table of the holy Cross, not fleeing from or refusing any labour, but with zeal for souls and for the good of the holy church and the spread of the

showed themselves

faith,

they put themselves in the midst of the thorns of and exposed themselves to every peril with true

tribulation,

patience, offering incense odoriferous with

and humble and continual prayers.

With

anxious desires, tears and sweat

they anointed the wounds of their neighbour, that is the of the guilt of mortal sin, which latter were perfectly

wounds

cured, the ointment so made, being received in

humility."

CHAPTER CXX. A

brief repetition of the preceding chapter ; and of the reverence which should be paid to priests, whether they are good or bad.

I HAVE shown thee, dearest daughter, a sample of the excellence of good priests (for what I have shown thee is only a sample of what that excellence really is), and I have "

which

have placed them, on account of which My ministers, not I do wish and them to be punished authority dignity of seculars on account of the hand by any personal defect, for those who punish them offend Me miserably. But I wish seculars to hold them in due reverence, not for their own sakes, as I have said, but for Mine, by reason of the Wherefore this authority which I have given them. told thee

of the dignity in

having elected

them

I

for

reverence should never diminish in the

case

of priests

grows weak, any more than in the case of those virtuous ones of whose goodness I have spoken to

whose thee

;

virtue

for all alike

have been appointed ministers of the


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that is of the

Body and Blood of

My

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Son, and of the

other Sacraments. dignity belongs to good and bad alike

"This

all

have

Sun

to administer, as has been said, and perfect priests are themselves in a condition of light, that is to say, they illuminate and warm their neighbours through their love.

the

And

with this heat they cause virtues to spring up and I have appointed bear fruit in the souls of their subjects. them to be in very truth your guardian angels to protect you ; to inspire your hearts with good thoughts by their doctrine reflected in the holy prayers, and to teach you and to serve life, you by administering to the thus serving you, watching over you holy Sacraments,

My

mirror of their

you, and inspiring you with good and holy does an angel.

thoughts as

See then, that besides the dignity to which I have appointed them, how worthy they are of being loved, when they also possess the adornment of virtue, as did those of whom I spoke to thee, which all are bound and obliged to possess, and in what great reverence you should hold them, for they are My beloved children and shine each as a sun in the mystical body of the holy Church by their virtues, for every virtuous man is worthy of love, and these all the more by reason of the ministry which I have placed in their "

lands.

You should

love

them therefore by reason of the

virtue and dignity of the Sacrament, and by reason of that very virtue and dignity you should hate the defects of those

who live miserably in sin, but not on that account appoint yourselves their judges, which I forbid, because they are My Christs, and you ought to love and reverence the You know well that authority which I have given them. a filthy and badly dressed person brought you a great treasure from which you obtained life, you would not hate

if

the bearer, however ragged and filthy he might be, through love of the treasure and of the lord who sent it to you.

His

would indeed displease you, and you would be through love of his master that he should be cleansed from his foulness and properly clothed. This, state

anxious

then, is your duty according to the

demands of

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wish you to act with regard to such badly ordered who, themselves filthy and clothed in garments, ragged with vice through their separation from My love, that is to say, the Sacraments bring you great Treasures from Which you obtain the life of of the holy church

thus

I

priests,

Them worthily (in spite of the great defects may be in them) through love of Me, the Eternal God, who send them to you, and through love of that life

grace, receiving

there

of grace which you receive from the great treasure, by which they administer to you the whole of God and the whole of Man, that is to say, the Body and Blood of My

Son united

to

My

Divine nature.

Their sins indeed should

displease you, and you should hate them, and strive with love and holy prayer to re-clothe them, washing away their foulness with your tears that is to say, that you should offer

them before them in

re-clothe

Me

with tears and great desire, that I may the garment of charity.

My goodness, with

Know well that I wish to do them grace, if only they will dispose themselves to receive it, and you to pray for it ; for it is not according to My will that they should administer you the Sun being themselves in darkness, nor that they should be stripped of the garment of virtue, foully living in dishonour ; on the contrary I have given them to you, and appointed them to be earthly angels and suns, as I have to

said.

It

not being

My

will that they should

be in this

ye should pray for them, and not judge them, leaving And I, moved by your prayers, wilf their judgment to Me. do them mercy if they will only receive it, but if they do* state,

not correct their ruin. I,

the

For

if

life,

their dignity will be the cause of their

they do not accept the breadth of

Supreme Judge,

last extremity,

shall terribly

and they

My

condemn them

will be sent to the eternal

mercy,

at their fire."


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CHAPTER Of the "

Now

sins

and

evil life of

listen, dearest

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wicked priests and ministers.

daughter, so that thou and

My

other

servants may have more reason for offering to Me your I will show thee humble and continual prayers for them. thou mayest direction in whatever for life their iniquitous and and prelates, look among secular religious priests, clerics, thou of and and kind, every small and old, ;

great, young wilt see nothing but offences against

mortal hurts

sin,

me

which they

not at

all,

all

Me

and the stench of which stench, indeed, exhale;

but themselves grievously.

Up

to the

My present I thou that and refresh to thy soul, good ministers in order these wretches, and mightest the better know the misery of intolerable the how and see how grave is the reproof, as My beloved even are of which worthy, have told thee of the excellence and virtue of

they punishment and chosen priests, on account of having virtuously used the Treasure given to them, are worthy of a greater reward than other men, and of being placed as pearls in My sight.

So contrariwise these wretches, who

shall receive a terrible

punishment. "Dost thou perceive, dearest daughter, with grief and have bitterness of heart, in what they placed their principle and foundation ? has They have placed it in their own self-love, whence "

and the offshoot of indiscretion ; for indiscreetly do they seize honour and glory for them and delicate selves, seeking great prelacies and ornaments, abuse and render To Me they treatment for their bodies.

grown the

tree of pride

which is not their attributing to themselves that For to Me should that which is not Mine. and to

offence,

own

Me

the praise, and to them glory be given, and to My Name selves should they render hatred of their own sensuality

with true self-knowledge, deeming themselves unworthy of But so great a mystery as they have received from Me. cannot these do the contrary, for, inflated with pride, they


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satiate themselves

CATHERINE

ST.

with gnawing the earth of riches and

worldly delights, becoming mean, greedy, and avaricious towards the poor, from which miserable pride and avarice,

born of their

own

they have abandoned the care apply themselves to take care of

self-love,

of souls.

They only temporal things and abandon My lambs, whom I have placed in their hands, like sheep without a shepherd, and do not feed

them temporally or

spiritually. Spiritually, indeed, they administer the

Sacraments of the Sacraments cannot be which taken away, or holy Church, but they do not feed their virtue lost through their defect you with hearty prayers, with hunger and desire for your Nor salvation, together with a holy and honourable life. do they feed their subjects with temporal things, that is to say, the poor with the substance of the Church, of which I one for the said to thee that three parts should be made for the and the third for another poor, priests necessities, These do the contrary, for not the uses of the Church. only do they not give to the poor the substance which they are obliged to give them, but they even rob their neighbour with simony and lust money, selling the grace of the Holy for often are to be found some of them so wicked Spirit as to refuse to give to him who is in need thereof the Mystery Which I have given them freely, and will only dispense It to those who fill their hands and persuade them with many gifts. They love their subjects for what they Their share of can get out of them, and nothing more. the Church they spend entirely on their own garments, loving to go delicately apparelled, not as clerks and religious, but as lords and courtiers. They take pains to have fine and vessels of many gold and silver for the adorn horses, ment of their dwellings, possessing that which cannot be and with ultimately retained, with much vanity of heart this disordinate vanity their heart swells, and they place "

;

:

;

;

making of their belly their god, without and restraint, so that they promptly eating drinking fall into an impure and lascivious life. For they waste Woe woe to their wretched life with harlots that which My only-begotten Son, the sweet all

their desire in food,

"

!

!


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Word, acquired with such pain on the wood Cross

;

of the holy

they are devourers of souls bought with the Blood

of Christ, devouring them in their great misery in many and diverse ways, and with the substance of the poor do Oh temples of the Devil, I have they feed their children. !

life ; and you appointed you These are devils, for you have taken the work of devils. devils give in return darkness, for what they have received

to be earthly angels in this

and administering to them cruel torments, away from grace, with persecutions and drag to reduce them to the guilt of mortal in order temptations, to do what sin, striving they can to this end although no sin can occur unless the tempted soul herself wish it, yet So these wretches are not worthy they do what they can. from their

flocks,

their

souls

;

of being called

My

ministers

;

they are incarnate devils, for

have they conformed themselves to the will of by the Devil, and do his work, at the same time administering Me, the True Sun, in the darkness of mortal sin, casting the darkness of their disordinate and criminal life over their They cause con subjects and all other rational creatures. fusion and pain in the minds of creatures, who see them living in disorder ; they are also the cause of confusion of conscience to those whom they often drag from the state of grace and the way of truth, and leading them to sin Not that he who cause them to go by the way of lies. thus follows them is on that account excused for his sin, for no one can be obliged to the guilt of mortal sin, either by invisible devils or by these visible ones ; wherefore, no their sin

one should look at their life or imitate what they do, but as My Truth admonished you in the holy Gospel you should rather do what they say that is, you should follow the doctrine which is given you in the mystical body of the holy Church, by means of the preachers who go about as town-criers, proclaiming My Word in the Holy Scripture. And as for the woes which these wretches deserve, and their evil

life,

do not imitate the

latter or

seek to

inflict

the

former, for in doing so you will offend Me ; but leave them their evil life, and take doctrine, leaving their punish

My

ment

to

Me,

for I

am

the sweet Eternal

God

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every virtue and punish every

ST.

CATHERINE

sin.

They

will

not evade

punishment through the dignity of being My ministers, but on the contrary if they do not amend they will be their

more severely punished than received more than others.

others, because they have Their sin being so terrible

all

See therefore that

they deserve the greater punishment.

they are in truth devils in the same way as My elect are earthly angels, inasmuch as they do angels work."

CHAPTER

CXXII.

How

injustice reigns in the above-mentioned wicked ministers ; that particularly in that they do not correct their subjects.

"

I

HAVE

told thee

pearl of justice.

how

Now

in I

My beloved will tell thee

and

ones there shone the how these miserable

wretches wear injustice on their breast as a buckle, which injustice both proceeds from, and is clasped with their own self-love, through which they commit injustice against their own souls and against Me, in the darkness of their in discretion.

Me they deprive of glory, and themselves of honour and a holy life, having neither desire for the salvation of souls nor hunger for virtue. For this reason they act unjustly towards their subjects and their neighbour, and do not "

rather they are blind and do not know ; and allow their them, subjects to sleep and lie quiet in their from their disordinate fear of offending creatures. infirmities, But they do not observe that in thus wishing to please creatures, they in reality displease them, and Me, your Sometimes indeed they do correct their Creator, as well. correct their vices

order to cloak themselves in some rag of But they do not go to a great man who is living justice. in great and open sin, for they are afraid if they do that he will interfere with their own state and life, but they turn on some insignificant person, for they see that he can do them no harm. Thus is injustice committed through neighbour, in


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miserable self-love, which has poisoned the whole world , and the mystical body of the holy Church, and through which the garden of My Spouse has run to seed and given birth to putrid flowers, which garden was properly cultivated at the time when the true labourers were there, that is to say, My holy ministers, and was adorned with many fragrant flowers, for the subjects led virtuous, honourable and holy

through the examples of their good pastors.

lives,

To-day

not so, but rather the contrary, for through wicked pastors the subjects have also become wicked. My Spouse is

it

is full

of the various thorns of

many

sins, not that

she can

herself be infected through the stench of sin, for the virtue of the Sacraments can receive no harm, but those

in

who

feed at the breast of this

Spouse are infected by the

stench in their souls, losing the dignity in which I have placed them, though that dignity is not diminished in itself, but only with regard to them. "

Wherefore through

their sins the Blood is held of

no

the due reverence which they for the Blood s sake not that they

for seculars lose

account,

ought to pay to them ought to do so, and their fault, even if I forgive them, is none the less on account of the sins of their pastors, who are wretched mirrors of sin, in that office in which I have placed them in order to be mirrors of virtue." ;

CHAPTER Of many other

WHENCE comes their own

From

;

in particular of

harlotry.

the stench that so infects sensuality,

love have they enthroned

who

and and gambling and

defects of the said ministers

their frequenting taverns "

CXXIII.

as

their souls ?

which sensuality and

self-

the mistress of their soul,

has become sensuality s handmaid, whereas I had I speak of the free with the Blood of My Son.

made her general

manumission when the whole human race was and lordship of the Devil. Every

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and above it, from the servitude of the

rational creature received this grace but, over I

set

anointed ones

My

free

world, and appointed them to serve Me, the eternal God, alone, and to administer the Sacraments of the holy Church, and so free have I made them, that I do not wish any

temporal lord to be their judge. daughter,

how

they repay

Me

Dost thou know, dearest for

so

great

a

benefit ?

way by continually persecuting Me with such diverse and terrible sins that thy tongue could not narrate, and thou wouldest faint at hearing them. Certain things, however, I will tell thee of them besides that which I have already said, in order to give thee matter for weeping and compassion. They ought to remain at the table of the Cross with holy desire, feeding on the food They repay

Me

of souls for

My honour,

in this

and although every rational creature

so, much more ought they whom I have chosen order to administer to you the Body and Blood of Christ

should do in

crucified,

My

only- begotten

their labours, of a

Son, and to

you the life, and to Truth with

give

good and holy

example by feed on the food of your souls, following My But they have chosen for their great and holy desire. table the public tavern, and there, openly cursing and per juring themselves, full of many miserable sins, like men blinded and without the light of reason, have become animals through their sins, and live lasciviously in word

and deed. They do not know if there be any Divine office, and if sometimes they say it, they do so with their tongue only, their heart being far from Me. They are also rogues and cheats, and having played for their soul, and lost it to the Devil, they stake the goods of the Church, and the temporal substance which they receive by virtue of the Wherefore the blood, cheating and gambling it away. poor do not receive their due, and the Church remains unfurnished and deprived of the necessary ornaments ; for these men, having become temples of the Devil, take no But those ornaments further care of My Temple. which they ought to place in the church out of reverence of the Blood, they place in their own houses and what is worse, they do this as bridegrooms adorning their spouses, ;


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their she-devils, with

269,

demons adorn with church property

whom

they live shamelessly

in iniquity

and impurity, sending them about or keeping them with so much so that these them, at their own pleasure wretched demons, even when they are celebrating at the altar, are not the least disturbed if their wretched she-devil ;

should come up with the rest

of the

make her

people to

Oh demons, by the hand. and more than demons if only your iniquities were more concealed from the eyes of your subjects, doing them in secret, you would indeed offend Me and hurt yourselves, but at least you would not do the harm you now do to your neighbour, laying bare your criminal life before his eyes, sa that your example gives him no reason to leave his own. sins, but rather causes him to fall into similar and greater offering, leading their children

!

!

ones than you I require from

fall

into yourselves.

My

minister,

Is this the purity that to celebrate at

when he comes

What purity is this that he brings, who rises morning with his mind defiled, and his body corrupted with impure mortal sin, and proceeds to celebrate ? Oh t tabernacle of the Devil, where are thy matins sung devoutly in solemn choir ? Where is thy continual and holy prayer ? Where are thy night watches, during which thou disposest thyself for the holy ministry which thou hast to perform in the morning, meditating on thy self-knowledge, and deeming thyself unworthy of so great a mystery, and on thy knowledge of Me, who have made thee worthy, not through thy own merits, but have chosen thee to be My minister,,

My

altar ?

in the

My goodness, so that thou other creatures ?

through

My

to

Me

mayest administer

"

CHAPTER CXXIV. How among the

said ministers reigns unnatural sin ; and of a which this soul had on the subject.

beautiful vision "

I

this

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man to have in this life. On your side endeavour to acquire it continually. You should you ought think that were it possible that the angelic nature should be purified, such purification would be necessary with regard to this mystery, but this is not possible, for angels need no I purification, since the poison of sin cannot infect them. it

possible for

is

to

say this to thee in order that thou mayest see how great a purity I require from you and from them in this Sacrament, and particularly from them. But they act in a contrary way, for they come full of impurity to this mystery, and not only of that impurity to which, through the fragility of

your weak nature, you are

when

reason nature),

fragility,

free-will

naturally inclined (although permits, can quiet the rebellion of all

but these wretches not only do not bridle this but do worse, committing that accursed sin against

nature, and as blind and fools with the light of their intellect darkened, they do not know the stench and misery in which It is not only that this sin stinks before Me, they are.

Who am

the

Supreme and Eternal Truth,

Me

so

it does indeed such abomination displease that for it alone I buried five cities by a Divine judgment, My Divine justice being no longer able to endure it. This sin not only displeases Me as I have said, but also the

whom

much and

I

hold

it

in

made their masters. Not them because displeases they like anything their because nature but was good, originally angelic, and their angelic nature causes them to loathe the sight of the actual commission of this enormous sin. They truly enough hurl the arrow poisoned with the venom of concupiscence, devils that

the

these wretches have

evil

when their victim proceeds to the actual commission of the sin, they depart for the reason and in the manner that Thou rememberest that I manifested to thee I have said. but

before the plague how displeasing this sin was to Me, and how deeply the world was corrupted by it ; so I lifted thee

with holy desire and elevation of mind above thyself, and showed thee the whole world and, as it were, the nations thereof, and thou sawest this terrible sin and the devils

have told thee, and thou rememberest that so

fleeing as

I

great was

the pain that thou didst receive, and the stench


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on

sin, that

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thou didst seem to thyself to see no refuge which thou and My other servants

this side of death, in

could hide so as not to be attacked by this leprosy. Thou didst see that thou couldest not remain among men, for neither small nor great, nor old nor young, nor clerics nor religious,

nor prelates, nor lords, nor subjects, were un-

contaminated in body or mind by this curse. 11 1 showed thee this in general but not of individuals.

If

may My servants preserved among the wicked from its infection on account of their virtue, I retain be any of

indeed there

My just wrath and do not command the rocks to roll down on them, nor the earth to swallow them up, nor the animals to devour them, nor the devils to carry them off body and soul on the contrary, I seek for ways and methods for doing them mercy, in order that they may correct their Wherefore I place in their midst My servants who life. are healthy and not leprous, so that they may pray to Me for them. Sometimes I show them these miserable sins so that they may be more careful in seeking for the salvation of sinners, offering them to Me with greater com passion and sorrow for their defects and the offence done ;

to Me, interceding with

Me

for them, as

the

way which thou knowest

well

when

I

caused thee to

and

;

feel

if

I

did to thee in

thou rememberest

a whiff of this stench, thou

Oh! Eternal faint, and didst say to Me, Father have mercy on me, and on Thy creatures either separate my soul from my body (for it does not seem to me that I can survive) or refresh me by showing me where I and Thy other servants can repose, so that this leprosy almost

didst

!

;

not destroy

may

or injure

the

purity of our souls and

bodies. "

My

I

replied to thee, turning towards thee with the eye of

kindness,

and

I

repeat

now

Let your repose,

My

daughter, be to render glory and praise to My Name, and to offer before Me the incense of continual prayer for these

poor wretches who are in so miserable a state, having become worthy of the Divine vengeance for their sins. Let your place of refuge be Christ crucified, My only-begotten Son ; dwell and hide yourselves in the cavern of His Side,


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where you

CATHERINE

ST.

taste through love for his humanity My In that open Heart you will find love for

will

Divine nature.

Me

and for your neighbour, for it was for the honour of Me, the Eternal Father, and to fulfil the obedience which I have laid on you for your salvation, that He ran to the shameful death of the Holy Cross. Seeing and tasting this love you will follow His doctrine, feeding at the table of that is, enduring through love and true the Holy Cross patience your neighbour, and all labours, torments and pains from whatever quarter they come, and in this way you will flee and escape the leprosy. This was the method which I gave thee and others, but in spite of all this the feeling of the stench did not leave thy soul, nor the dark But My Providence provided ness the eye of thy intellect.

moment when thou didst receive in Body and Blood of My Son, wholly God

for this, for at the

communion

the

and wholly man, the stench

left

thee on account of the

fragrance, and the darkness left thee on account of the light which thou didst receive in this Sacrament, and by an ad

My goodness the odour and taste of the Blood remained for several days in thy mouth and palate, as thou knowest. 11 See, therefore, dearest daughter, how abominable this

mirable effect of

Me

in every creature. Think, then, how much among those whom I have drawn out of the world and who live in a state of continence, among whom some have left the world to enter religion, and others are

sin is to

more so

it is

planted

like

flowers

whom

Church among

in

the mystical body of the holy My ministers. Thou couldest

are

this sin displeases Me in of the world and private persons prac For tising continence, of whom I have spoken to you. these as lights placed on the candlestick are the admini

how much more

never understand

them than

in

men

Me, the True Sun in the light of virtue and of and honourable life, and yet they minister in darkness and are so darkened that they do not understand My Holy Scripture, which itself is illuminated because strators of their holy

written by My True Light, as

with the supernatural help of Me, the I say explained to thee in another place.

elect I


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that on account of their inflated pride and lasciviousness they see and understand nothing but the shell of the letter, and that they receive without any profit, because the taste of their soul is not rightly ordered, but to thee

rather corrupted with self-love and pride, and their reins full of impurity; for they desire to fulfil their disordinate

are

delights, committing their sins publicly and without shame ; and in addition to all this, so full are they of greed and

avarice that they also commit usury which I have forbidden. Miserable indeed will those be who commit it."

CHAPTER CXXV. How, through correction evils not

"

How

;

the above-mentioned defects, subjects do not receive and of the defects of religious and how, from these ;

being corrected,

can these

or

the

men

many

full

others follow.

of such terrible sins do justice

to,

of

their subjects ? reprove They cannot, because their sins take from them the ardent zeal of holy And if on some occasion they should do so, their justice.

subjects,

who

sician, first

sins

are their companions in sin, can reply,

heal thyself, and then heal me, then

I

Phy

will take

This man is in a and he blames me. He does am, yet badly who reproves only with words and not with a good and well-ordered life. Not that he should not, whether he be good or evil in himself, reprove what is wrong in his subject, but he does wrong in not also correcting him with And much worse does he a holy and honourable example. who does not receive the reproof humbly, however it be given him, whether by a good or an evil pastor he injures himself and no one else, for he alone will be punished for the medicine which

worse

state than

thou givest me.

I

;

own

All these evils, dearest daughter, arrive pastors do not correct their flocks with a good and holy example. Because they are do they not ? blinded by self-love, in which are founded all their iniquities,

his

because

sins.

my

Why


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and subjects, pastors, nothing

else,

than

clerics

how

ST.

CATHERINE

and religious

they

alike,

may accomplish

ordinate delights and pleasures. where is the obedience of religious

think of

their

dis-

sweet daughter, who have been placed in holy religion like angels, and are become worse than devils ? I have placed them there to announce My word in doctrine and in truth, and they cry out with the sound of words alone, and so produce no fruit in the hearts of their hearers. Their preaching

is

made

Alas

!

rather for the pleasure of men,

their ears, than to honour. Wherefore, they do not make it their study to preach goodness of life, but rather to discourse with polished wit. Such as these

and

My

to tickle

do not truly sow My seed, because they take no pains to For not having uprooted root out vices and plant virtues. the thorns out of their own garden, they take no pains to All their delight is in do so out of their neighbour s. adorning their bodies and their cells, and in hurrying to and And the same thing happens to them fro about the city. as to a fish which dies when taken out of water. So die these religious who leave their cell of which they should make a heaven, and wander with their useless and dis honourable life through the wards of the city, seeking out the houses of their relations, and of other seculars, according to the pleasure of their wretched subjects and wicked And since superiors who hold them in so loose a leash. these miserable pastors do not mind seeing their religious subject in the hands of she-devils, they often themselves And sometimes when they know give him up to them. that they are incarnate devils they will send them to the monasteries to those who are incarnate she-devils, and thus one ruins the other with many subtle devices and frauds. And the principle of their life the Devil conceals under the cover of devotion, but the fruits of their devotions appear very soon. First are seen stinking flowers of dishonourable thoughts, and the leaves of corrupt words, and then they fulfil their miserable desires, and thou knowest well what

And often they carry it so one and the other, leave their religion, and become public rogues and harlots. fruits follow,

far that both

namely, children.


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All these and

many who have not

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other evils are caused by worthless

kept their eye on their subjects, them go loose, and themselves pushed them into sin, and have made as if they did not see their miseries, or that their subject was wearied with his cell and so through their double fault the subject dies. Thy tongue could not narrate with what terrible sins and in what miserable ways they offend Me. They have become the arms of the Devil, and with their stench they poison everything within, that is, in their monastery, and without superiors,

but have rather

let

;

among

seculars.

They

are deprived of fraternal charity, Each one desires

and each one wishes to be the greater. to possess

something, acting contrary to obedience and the

vow which

they have taken. They have promised to observe the rule of their order, and they break it, and not only do they not observe the rule themselves but they fall

hungry wolves upon the lambs, who wish to observe it, mocking them and jeering at them. These wretches think to cover their own sins with the persecutions, mockery and insult that they deal out to good religious who observe the like

doing so they expose themselves much more. a state have come the gardens of holy religious for orders holy they are in themselves, having been founded the by Holy Spirit, and indeed the order in itself cannot be rule, but in "

To such ;

spoilt or corrupted

through the sins of subject or superior. Wherefore he who wishes to enter a religious order should not be astonished at its evil members, but should continue

on

his way reposing in the arms of the order, which is not, and cannot become weak in itself, observing his rule to the I have said to thee that the gardens of day of his death. the holy religious orders have come to such a state, through evil directors and wicked subjects, that they do not keep or

observe their rule in purity but break it, neither observing their customs or their ceremonies, which they rather ordain

and observe for the pleasure of seculars wishing to please them in order to cloak their own sins. "See therefore that they do not fulfil their first vow of obedience to observe their rule, of which obedience I will speak

to thee in another place.

They

also take the

vow

of


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voluntary poverty and of continence. How do they observe these ? Marvel at the private possessions and sums of which each one keeps in private, far from the money universal love with which he should share his temporal and spiritual substance with his brethren, according to the

commands these

of charity, and of the rule of his order.

men wish

only to

fatten themselves

and their

But cattle

(one beast feeding the other) while their poor brother dies of cold and hunger, so that their garments may be comfort

Do not think to ably lined, and they may have good food. such a one at the poor table of the refectory ; his delight is to be where he can fill himself with meat, and

find

satisfy his greediness.

observe the third

He

of course finds

it

impossible to

vow

of continence, for a full belly makes being heated and disordered he becomes

an unchaste mind Much harm and so goes from bad to worse. also comes from the evil of their possessions, for if they had nothing to spend, they could not live in such disorder, and would not have these dangerous friendships, for not having the wherewithal to make presents, they would not retain these friendships, which are based on the love of gifts or some delight or pleasure which the one person receives from the other, and not on perfect Oh wretched ones, who have come, to such charity. misery through their sins, having been placed by Me in such high dignity, they flee from the choir as if it were poison, and if they are there sing with their voice alone, their heart being far from Me. As to the table of the altar, they have made it their habit to approach it without any proper dispositions, as if it were a table for corporal food. All these evils and many others of which I will not speak further to thee, so that thy ears may not itch, follow from the sinfulness of wicked pastors who do not correct or punish the sins of their subjects, and are not careful or zealous that the rule of their order should be observed, because they themselves do not observe it. They will even those wish who to observe for their stone, great obedience, the rule, punishing them for the faults which they have ;

lascivious,

!

not committed.

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justice does not shine in them, but rather injustice. Where fore they unjustly give to him who deserves grace and

kindness,

penance

members

of

the

and Devil

hatred, like

and

to

themselves

those

who

they give

are love,

pleasure, and position, placing in their hands the dignities Like blind men they live, and like blind men of the order.

And if they distribute dignities, and govern their subjects. they do not correct themselves of this blindness, they eventually arrive at the darkness of eternal damnation, and have to give account to Me, the supreme Judge of the souls A bad account is all that they can of their subjects. render, and therefore they receive justly from Me that which they have deserved."

CHAPTER CXXVI. How among these "

I

life

HAVE given of those

wicked ministers reigns the

sin of lustfulness.

thee, dearest

who

live in

daughter, a slight idea of the holy religion, I have shown thee

how

miserably they live in their order, clothed like sheep, I now return to but being in reality rapacious wolves.

the clerics and ministers of the

holy Church, to lament with thee over their sins, over and above what I have narrated to thee, founded on three columns of vice, Impurity, Pride, and Cupidity, through which cupidity they As I have already told the grace of the Holy Spirit. thee, concerning these three vices, one depends on the other, inflated sell

As and the foundation of these three columns is self-love. long as these three columns stand erect and do not fall to the earth, by force of the love of virtue they are sufficient to keep the mind firm and obstinate in every other vice, for as I

have told thee, all the vices grow out of self-love, because from self-love is born the principal vice of pride, and a proud man is deprived of charity. And from pride he goes on to impurity and avarice, and so enchains himself with the Devil s fetters. Now observe, dearest daughter, with what pride and filthiness they defile their minds and bodies of


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which

I have But there is already told thee somewhat. another thing that I would tell thee, in order that thou mayest know better the fountain of My mercy, and have

greater compassion on these wretches when thou meetest them. Some of them are such devils that they not only do not reverence the sacrament, or hold dear the excellent

which I have placed them by My goodness, but as out of their minds with guilty love for some creature, being unable to obtain what they desire, will use devilish state in

if

incantations, and will make enchantments with the very sacrament that is given you for the food of life, in order to fulfil their wretched and dishonourable thoughts, and make their will take effect.

And

those lambs whose souls and

bodies they should feed so carefully they torment in such ways as these and many others, which I will pass over in

order not to give thee more pain ; for as thou knowest they cause them to lose their senses, their will being forced to do that which they do not wish, through the spell which this incarnate devil

bodies

has cast over them

they make many other miserable I

;

sometimes also their

very gravely through the resistance which to themselves. What is the cause of this, and

suffer

need not

tell

evils,

of which as they knowest them

thee ? Their dishonourable and

wretched

the flesh, dearest daughter, that flesh which is exalted above all the choirs of the angels in My divine Nature united to your humanity, which these men give up

life.

to

It

is

such misery.

Oh, abominable and wretched men, no

man, but a brute beast, that thou givest thy flesh, anointed and consecrated to Me, to harlots and worse. From thy whole human race was taken which Adam wound had made by his sin, on the away \vood of the most holy Cross, by the wounded body of My only begotten Son Oh, wretched man, He has done

flesh

as from that of the

the

!

thee honour, and thou puttest Him to shame. He has healed thy wounds with His blood, and has further made thee His minister, and thou persecutest Him with lascivious and dishonourable sins. The Good Shepherd has washed

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It is thy duty to be a mirror of honour, and thou art a mirror of shame. Thou hast directed all the members of

hill.

thy body to work wickedness, and doest the contrary of that which My truth did for thee. I endured that His eyes should be veiled, for thy better illumination, and with thy lascivious eyes thou aimest poisoned arrows at thy own soul, and the heart of those on whom thou gazest with such

miserable passion. "I

endured that

My Son

should drink gall and vinegar, and

thou, like a disordered animal, delightest thyself in delicate

making of thy belly thy god the foolish language of dishonour dwells on thy tongue, with which thou art bound to counsel thy neighbour, to announce My word, and heartily

viands,

;

recite the divine office. Yet I perceive nothing but the stench of thy profanity, of thy constant blasphemy, for thou swearest and perjurest thyself like an auctioneer. I endured

My Son s hands should be bound, in order to set thee and the whole race of man free from the bonds of sin, and thy hands which have been anointed and consecrated, and administer the most holy sacrament, are hideously occupied that

in

loathsome touches. thy actions, of which thy hands are a true type, are Oh, wretched man, have placed thee in such dignity to serve Me only and

"All

directed to the service of the Devil.

and

I

I was willing that My Son s feet, every rational creature should be fastened to the cross, so as to make for thee a staircase of His body, and that His side should be opened that thou mightest see the secret of His heart, which I gave !

you as a hostelry always open that you might see and taste the ineffable love which I had for you, finding My divine nature there united to your humanity. See then that the blood of which thou art the minister has become a bath to cleanse your iniquities, and thou of thy heart hast made a devils temple, and thy love, signified by thy feet, offers to Me nothing but the stench of thy wickedness and thy insults, for the feet of thy affection conduct thy soul nowhere but into devils houses. Thus with the whole of thy body thou persecutest the body of My Son, doing the contrary of did, and of what thou and all My creatures are

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The instruments

to do.

harmony,

name

ST.

for the three

of thy body give out a powers of thy soul are assembled

it is thy duty to assemble name. Thy memory, which should be full of My the benefits which thou hast received from Me, is filled with The eye of thy intellect, dishonour and many other evils. which thou shouldest fix with the light of faith on the object

in the

them

of the Devil, while

in

of Christ crucified, My only begotten Son, whose minister thou the vain and miserable delights, art, is rather fixed on

and riches of the world.

affection, which thou hast medium, any of in the love of and creatures, miserably placed thy own more cattle lovest than Me. and thou even body, thy very What proves this to Me ? Thy impatience towards Me, when I take from thee something thou lovest much, and thy displeasure toward thy neighbour, for when thou thinkest to have received some temporal loss from him, hating him and cursing him, thou leavest My love and his. Oh,

dignities,

should

love

unhappy man of

fire

My

delights,

Me

alone

that thou art

divine

and the

love,

Thy

without

!

and

trifling loss

Thou

art the minister of the

for the sake of thy disordinate

which may be caused thee by is one

This, dearest daughter, thy neighbour, thou losest it. of those three miserable columns of which I spoke to

thee."

CHAPTER CXXVII. How

among the said ministers, who not only lend usury, but also sell and buy benefices and prelacies ;

avarice reigns

money with

and of the evils which have been brought about by this cupidity.

in

Holy Church

speak to thee of the second column, that is through which what My Son gave, with such boundless generosity, is kept in narrow limits through For thou seest His body all open on the wood of greed. the Cross, pouring forth blood from every part, and that "Now I

will

Avarice,

He

has not redeemed you with gold or

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Not a part only Blood, through the greatness of His love. of the world, but the whole human race, past, present, and to come, was contained in the satisfaction of that sacrifice.

And

to none of you would the Blood be administered, or the of divine love given, had He not first administered and Which He did by virtue of My divine Nature given them. to your humanity, and of this Blood so united perfectly fire

Me by the greatness of My love, I have made And so great are thy oh wretched thee, man, a minister. avarice and cupidity that that which My Son acquired on the Cross, namely, the souls redeemed with such love, and that which My Son has given thee, in making thee a minister of the Blood, thou, wretched man that thou art, hast confined in such narrow limits, that in thy avarice thou puttest up the grace of the Holy Spirit to be sold, obliging thy subjects, when they beg it of thee, to buy from thee what thou hast united to

received as a free

Thou

hast not directed thy appetite but to devour money, and so My honour, hast thou fastened that which thou hast received closely up with such generosity that neither I nor thy neighbour receive gift.

to eat souls for

The temporal anything from thee by free grace or love. substance which thou receivest for the sake of this Blood, thou acceptest with great generosity, but, wretched miser that thou art, thou art kind only to thyself, and like a thief and a robber worthy of eternal death, thou dost embezzle the property of the poor, and of holy Church, and dost spend it in luxurious delights with shameless men and

women, and on thy

and the education of thy where are your real children, the wretches, Where sweet and royal virtues which you ought to have ? Where is the fiery charity with which ycu should minister ? is the yearning desire for My honour, and the salvation of souls ? Where is the heart-breaking sorrow with which should see the infernal wolf carrying off your lambs ? you You have none of these things, for in your narrow hearts there is no love for Me, or for them. You only love your selves with sensual self-love, with which you poison You yourselves are the devils from yourselves and others. children.

hell,

Oh

relations

!

who swallow up

souls with disordinate love

;

nothing


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else gives zest to your appetites. Wherefore it is no cause of trouble to you, that the invisible devil should carry them

you yourselves being visible devils, and the means by which they are sent to hell. You clothe and fatten your and the other devils with selves, you, with the property of the church, and also your fine horses which you keep for your disordinate delight, and not for any real necessity, for which indeed you might justly keep them. These are the off,

proper delights of

men

of the world, but your joys should

and sick, helping them in their and needs for this and nothing else have spiritual temporal I made you My ministers and placed you in such dignity. But having become brute beasts yourselves, you place your If you could but see the tor delight in other animals. ments which are prepared for you, if you do not amend, you would not do so you would rather repent of what you have done in the past, and would reform your present See then, dearest daughter, what right I have to conduct. lament over these wretches, and how generously I have behaved to them, and how meanly they treat Me. Is there are 1 more have said to there ? Yes As thee, anything consist in visiting the poor

;

;

!

some who lend money with usury not that they put out an awning like public usurers, but in many subtle ways ;

time to their neighbour in their cupidity, which no thing way lawful. If he should receive some small in present payment over and above the value of the service which he has rendered, in lending money to his neighbour will

they

sell

is in

(it

being received as part of the value), this also

is

usury,

and so would be everything else that he should receive in payment for waiting, as has been said. And I have ap pointed this wretched man to forbid seculars to do so, but he himself does the same and more also. How then should any one go to him for counsel on this matter ? when he is himself in like fault, and has lost the light of reason, on which account the counsel which he gives is darkened by the passion dwelling in his soul. These and many other sins are born in his narrow greedy heart and the words said by My truth when he entered the temple may be re peated here. He found men selling and buying, and, driving ;


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them out with a lash of cords, said Of my Fathers House, is a House of Prayer, ye have made a den of thieves. :

which

Thou

seest well, sweetest daughter, that they

who

act thus

do indeed turn My church, which is a place of prayer, into a den of robbers. They buy and sell and make merchandise of the grace of the Holy Spirit. For thou seest that those who desire prelacies and benefices in the holy Church, buy them with many presents, offering whatever commodities or moneys they happen to possess. And the wretched sellers do not consider whether the buyer is good or evil, but, out of complaisance and love of the gift which they have received, strive to place this putrid plant in the garden of the holy Church ; and to this end these wretches will give a good

account of him to the Christ on earth, so that both of them use falseness and cheating towards the Christ on earth on a point on which they should approach him with the whole But if the vicar of My Son should perceive simple truth.

ought to punish them, and from the one take he do not amend his evil life ; and as for away the other who buys, it would be well that he should be sent to prison, as his part of the bargain, so that he may be corrected for his sin, and that others may take warning and be afraid, so that no one else may imitate him. If the Christ on earth do this, he does his duty, and if he does not, his sin will not be unpunished when he has to give an their sins, he

his dignity if

account before

Me

of his flock.

Believe Me, My daughter, and it is on this account that My into such sins and abominations. They

to-day this is not done,

Church has do not seek life

fallen to

know, or try to investigate, the good or evil whom they give prelacies, and if they do

of those to

seek at

all

to find out, they ask questions of those

as bad as themselves,

who

are

who

give nothing but good testimony, because they themselves have similar defects, and think of nothing else except dignity of position, and gentility and riches and polished conversation. Worse than all, it will

sometimes be alleged as a motive to the Consistory that the What devilish doings person in question is beautiful. should seek and the ornament They beauty of virtue, and rather look at the of the beauty body. they They should !


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seek poor and humble persons who avoid prelacies in their humility, and they choose those who seek them in vanity

and

They admire knowledge. Knowledge and good perfect when a learned person is also But if knowledge humble in life. and good, honourable, be joined with a proud, dishonourable, and wicked life it is a poison, and the Holy Scripture does not mean otherwise in its spiritual sense. To one in darkness it seems to me so, because he has lost the light of reason and has obscured the eye of his intellect, with which supernatural light the Holy Scripture was originally written, and should be understood, as I said to thee, more See then that science, good in clearly in another place. is in him not who does not use it aright it rather so itself, for him a if he will not amend his life. fire lights penal should rather seek out men of good and therefore They life than learned men who live evilly, but they do the holy Those besides who, contrary. being good and virtuous, are in as fools, and the poor they learning, they despise great because have avoid, nothing wherewith to pay them. they in that See, therefore, My house, which ought to be a house of prayer, and where the pearl of justice ought to shine, together with the light of learning, honour, and holiness, and the odour of truth, lies abound. These men should practise voluntary poverty, and watch over souls with true solicitude, snatching them from but they, on the contrary, seek for the hands of devils riches and take such care of temporal things that they have altogether abandoned spiritual things, and pay no attention to anything but gambling and laughter and the increase The wretched fools do not of their temporal substance. is the to lose it, whereas if they that this way perceive abounded in virtue, and applied themselves to the care of spiritual matters as they ought to do, they would abound And My spouse has had many rebellions in temporalities. to suffer on account of temporalities, which she ought not to have had. My servants should leave the dead to bury the dead, and follow the doctrine of My Truth, and carry inflated

pride.

in itself is

;

"

;

out in themselves

My

will

;

that is to

say,

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have given them, whereas these men do

the contrary, for they bury these dead and transitory things with disordinate affection and solicitude, taking from men of

This is displeasing to the world their proper occupation. Me and hurtful to holy Church ; to worldly men, therefore, they should leave these things, and let one corpse bury the other

that is to say,

let

those whose duty

it

is

take

charge of temporal things. "Why

did

I

let

say,

way, when he

dead? The two ways in one

the dead bury the

word dead should here be understood

in

:

who

administers temporal things does so in the guilt of mortal sin, by the disordinate affection and care which he has for them. The administration of temporal affairs

may

also be called dead, because

body, which in so far as latter is

is it

it belongs to the a dead thing, having no life in itself except participates in the life of the soul while the

with the body, and no more.

therefore,

who ought

My

anointed ones,

to live like angels, should leave these

dead things to the dead, and should themselves govern souls who are living, and never die as regards their essence, administering to them the sacraments and gifts and graces of the Holy Spirit, and feeding them with the spiritual food of a good and holy example. In this way My house would be indeed a house of prayer, abounding in their But since they do not act thus, but graces and virtues. the contrary, I can truly say that My house has become a den of thieves, for they have become merchants with their and My church has also become a avaricious bargaining cattle shed, for they live in their dishonour like brute beasts. They have made My church into a stable, and lie ;

there in the

filth

of their impurity, for they keep their she-

own much more

devils in the church as a bridegroom his spouse in his

house.

See, then,

how much

evil

(and there

is

beyond comparison with what I have told thee) grows from these two foetid and stinking columns impurity and cupidity."


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CXXVIII.

How

pride reigns among these ministers, by which they lose their knowledge and how, having lost their knowledge, they fall into the sin of seeming to consecrate, while they do not really do so. ;

WILL now speak to thee of the third column which I have placed last, for it is both pride "

I

for all

first,

virtues

all

the vices are

receive

life

flavoured

from charity.

that of last

and

with pride, as the Pride is born and

nourished from sensual self-love, of which I said to thee, that it was the foundation of these three columns, and of all the evils which are committed by creatures, for he who loves himself with disordinate love, is deprived of My love. and not loving Me he offends Me, because he does not

commandment

observe the

above everything, and one is

the

reason

why

of the law, which is to love Me This neighbour as one s self.

s

those

who

love

themselves with a

sensual love neither serve nor love Me, but the world ; for neither sensual love nor the world have conformity with There being no conformity between Me and the Me.

and serves the it must needs be that he who loves world with sensual love, should hate Me while he who For this reason My Truth loves Me truly hates the world. world,

;

said

:

he will

No

one can serve two masters, for if he serve the one, See then how self-love content the other

not

deprives the soul of My love, and clothes it with the vice of pride, whence through the principle of self-love is borne I grieve over this in all My rational every kind of sin. creatures, but particularly in My anointed ones, who ought to be humble, not only because every one should possess

the virtue

of humility, which nourishes

charity,

but also

because they have become the ministers of the humble and Are they not immaculate Lamb, My only-begotten Son. ashamed, and for that matter should not the whole human race be ashamed, when they see Me, God, humbled to man, They giving you the Word, My Son, in your own flesh ?

see

My Word

eagerly humbling Himself to the shameful


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His death of the cross, in obedience to My commands. is bent to salute you, His crown is for your adorn ment, His arms are open to embrace you, His feet are nailed, so that He may never leave you, and thou, oh

head

!

wretched man,

who

art the minister of this

generosity and

humility, shouldest embrace the cross ; but thou fliest it, Thou shouldest and embracest instead impure women.

stand firm and stable, following the doctrine of My Word, nailing thy heart and mind to Him, and thou swayest about

wind ; if the wind be thou movest with disordinate joy, and if it be prosperous adverse thou movest with impatience, thus drawing forth for every cause like a leaf before the

marrow of pride, which is impatience, for whereas the marrow of charity is patience, the marrow of pride is im the

patience, wherefore

proud and angry people are disturbed

Pride is so displeasing to when an angel became proud from Heaven Me, that not in but fell to the depths of Hell, did rise Heaven, pride he Truth said that who should exalt himself wherefore My (that is, by pride) should be humbled, and that he who In all people pride is humbled himself should be exalted. to more so in Me, but My ministers, as I have displeasing

and scandalised at everything. it

fell

;

have placed them in a humble position while they do just the administer the humble lamb How is such a wretched priest not ashamed to contrary. said to thee, for

to

I

;

be proud, when he sees Me humble to you, giving you My Word, My only begotten Son, to be humbled, through obedience to Me, to the shameful death of the Cross, of which Word He has been made the minister. My Son bows His head, and this wretch lifts his head against Me

and his neighbour, and from the humble lamb that he should be, he has become a ram with the horns of pride, Oh unhappy man, butting against every one he meets. Is this, thou dost not reflect, thou canst not escape Me. then, the duty that I have laid upon thee, to butt against Me with the horn of thy pride, injuring Me and thy neigh Is this bour, turning against him with ignorant injuries ? the mildness with which thou shouldest celebrate the body and blood of Christ, My Son ? Thou hast become as it !


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were a wild animal without fear of Me. Thou devourest in and livest and hast become an thy neighbour quarrels of thee those who serve and are creatures, accepting acceptor useful to thee, or others who please thee, because their life the same as thine, whom on the contrary thou shouldest correct, despising their sins, but thou rather givest them is

the example of doing what they do and worse also. If thou wert good, thou wouldest correct them, but inasmuch as thou art evil, thy neighbour s defects do not displease it is the humble and virtuous thee, and thou lettest him be ;

whom

Thou fleest them and reason thou despisest. poor indeed thou shouldest not do so thou avoidest ably, though them because the stench of thy vice cannot endure the ;

odour of their virtue My poor ones

seest

;

at

thou deemest thyself insulted if thou thou eludest their need thy door ;

of thy visitation, seeing them die of hunger rather than And all this is caused by the horns of pride help them. which will not bend themselves to a little humility. Wlvy

Because thou hast in no way cast will they not bend ? from thyself self-love which nourishes pride, and therefore wilt not condescend to administer to the poor either thy temporal or spiritual substance without receiving something Oh cursed pride, based on self-love, how hast

in return.

!

thou blinded the eye of their intellect, that while they seem to love themselves and be tender to themselves, they are in

seem to gain, they are losing, to enjoy delights and riches and great dignities, they are really in the greatest poverty and misery, for they are deprived of the riches of virtue and have fallen truth cruel, that while they

and while they seem

from the heights of grace into the depths of mortal

They seem

to see, but are

themselves nor Me.

They

sin.

blind, for they know neither do not know their own condi

which I have placed them, nor the if they did they would not make the for of world, fragility What has deprived them of know of themselves. gods have thus become devils, having ? Pride and ledge they tion nor the dignity in

And been chosen by Me to be earthly angels in this life. of heaven fall from the into the of dark depths they height ness, and their darkness and iniquity are multiplied to such


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an extent that they sometimes fall into a sin of which I Some of them are such incarnate devils will speak to thee. that they often appear to consecrate, when they do not in reality, through fear of My judgment, and to free themselves Such a man rises in the from any bridle and fear of sin. morning from impurity, having passed the preceding evening in disordinate banqueting, he is obliged to satisfy the people, and considering his own iniquities, sees that he cannot cele brate with a good conscience ; wherefore he fears My judg ment, not through hatred of vice, but through self-love. See, dearest daughter, how blind he is ; he does not have recourse to contrition, with hatred of sin and a firm purpose of amendment ; he takes the alternative remedy of not con

And the blind man does not see that his error secrating. and sin is greater than before, for he makes the congrega tion commit idolatry, causing them to adore an unconsecrated it were the body and blood of Christ, My onlyNo ; the Host begotten Son, wholly God and wholly man. is indeed this when it is consecrated, but otherwise it is

host, as if

only bread. See, now, how great the patience with which "

is this

abomination, and

But

how great

they do not correct themselves, every grace of their state will turn to their perdition. What should the congregation do in order not to

fall

I

endure

into such a snare ?

it.

if

They should pray under

has said that which he ought to say, I truly believe that Thou art Christ the Son of the living God, given to me as food by the fire of Thine inestimable charity ; and in memory of Thy most sweet condition in this wise

:

If this minister

passion, and the great benefit of the blood which Thou didst shed with such fire of love to wash away our iniquities.

means the blindness of the priest will not bring into darkness, causing them to adore one thing for another, the guilt will attach to the miserable minister alone,

By

this

them

the congregation will only commit a material mistake. Oh sweetest daughter, what prevents the earth from swallowing

!

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conquer and restrain My divine justice by the force My mercy. But these obstinate devils neither know nor see My mercy, but being blinded by pride think that their

to say,

I

of

office is

have

it

given them of their due, whereas in reality they only by My free grace."

CHAPTER CXXIX Of many other

sins

which are committed through pride and self-love.

"

I

HAVE

told thee all this in order to give the

more matter

for bitter grief and weeping over their blindness in that they remain in a state of damnation, and that thou mayest

the better

know My mercy

to place

by

faith

the greatest

it, offering them, that is, the ministers of the and all the world, before Me, praying to Me Church Holy And the more thou offerest to to have mercy upon them.

security in

Me for them, sorrowful and amorous desires, the more wilt Because that thou show the love which thou hast for Me. service which neither thou nor My other servants can fulfil Me you must

do and show by means of them, and then Myself be constrained by the desire, prayers, and and I will have mercy on My spouse, tears of My servants her with The good good and holy pastors. reforming reform force will those under her, correcting by pastors all the evils which are because done nearly them, by the subjects are the fault of bad pastors, because had they corrected, and had the pearl of justice shone in them with an honourable and holy life, those evils would not have And dost thou know what results come from these been. It is because the one followed in the perverse methods ? to

will I let

;

footsteps of the other that the subjects are not obedient, because when the prelate was subject he was not obedient to his prelate wherefore, he receives from his subject that which he rendered, and because he was a bad subject he is a bad pastor. ;


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the cause of this and of

every other sin. Ignorant and proud as he was when he was a subject, he And his ignorance is that he is a prelate. so great that, as if he were blind, he will give the office of "

is

more so now

priest to a

not

know

man

so unlearned that he can scarcely read and does and ofttimes, through his ignorance, not ;

his office

knowing well the sacramental words, he will not consecrate, in this way he commits the same sin of not consecrating

and

those committed who, through malice, pretended to

that

They ought to choose men in founded and virtue, who know and under experienced but they do quite the contrary, and stand what they say do not seek them for their knowledge and experience, but for the affection they bear them, and it appears that they And they do not aim select children and not mature men. at having men of honourable and holy life who recognise the dignity to which they are called and the great mystery that they have to celebrate, but they aim solely at multiply consecrate without doing so.

;

ing persons, but without regard to virtue. They are blind and gatherers together of the blind, and they see not that I shall require from them an account "

and for the other things in the last extremity of and death, they will see that after they have thus made the priests dark, and given to them the care of souls that they for this,

how to take care For how could such as

knew "

own

not

of themselves.

these

who do

not recognise their They could not

sin, correct and recognise And the sheep who and would not act against themselves. have not a shepherd who cares for them easily stray and And are ofttimes torn in pieces and devoured by wolves. care to because the shepherd is a bad one he takes no keep a dog who barks when he sees the wolf coming, but he And so these ministers keeps such a one as he is himself. and pastors having no solicitude, and not holding in their hand the stick of justice wherewith to correct the dog of conscience, he does not bark, and so they do not with care reprove themselves, and do not endeavour to bring back to the way of Truth and Justice those sheep who have strayed it

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it in not observing My commandments, and so prevent them from being devoured by the infernal wolf. Did this dog bark, and were their sins laid upon them with the rod of holy justice, their sheep would be delivered and would But because he is a shepherd without return to the fold. a rod, and without the dog of conscience, the sheep perish, and he does not trouble himself, because the dog of his conscience is enfeebled, and therefore does not bark, because he has not been given any food.

from

The food that should be given to this dog is the food of the Lamb, My Son, because in so far as the memory, as the vessel of the soul, is full of the Blood, so does the con "

science feed on

it,

that is to say, that through the

of the Blood the soul

memory

enflamed with hatred of vice and the love of virtue, the which hatred and love purify the soul from the stain of mortal sin, and give so much vigour to

is

the conscience that

it

watches over the soul so that

if

that is to say sin should wish to enter, not only the affection but even the mind, like a watch-dog, warns with its prick at the dictation of reason, and on this

any enemy

account

the

man

does not commit the

sin,

for

he

who

But such wicked possesses conscience, possesses justice. men as these, not worthy to be called My ministers or even having become animals through their without a watch-dog through their weakness, and are also without the rod of holy justice, having been made so timid by their sins that a mere shadow frightens them, rational

creatures,

sins, are

not with holy but with servile fear. They ought to be ready to die in order to snatch souls from the hand of the Devil, but on the contrary they place them there themselves,

depriving them of the doctrine of a good and holy life, and being unable to endure an unkind word for their salvation.

Often the soul of a subject will be entangled in very grave sins, and he will have to make satisfaction to his neighbour,

and

in order not to deprive his family through the disordinate love which he bears to them, he will not pay his debt ; his life will be known to a great number of people

and

also to his wretched priest,

ticularly informed,

so

that,

like

who

will

have been par which he

the physician


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The wretched

minister

will go to do his duty, and for one rough word said to him, or for one evil glance directed at him, he will be afraid to

have anything more to do with the

made

affair.

And sometimes

between the bribe and his servile fear he will leave that soul in the hands of the devils, and will give him the Sacrament of the Body of Christ, My only-begotten Son, while he knows all the time that the communicant is involved in the darkness of mortal sin. Nevertheless, to please worldly men, and through his disordinate fear and the gift which he has received from them, he has a present will be

to him, so that

administered the Sacraments and buried a

man

with great

honour in the Church, when he should have cast him forth as an animal and a corrupt member cut off from the body. Self-love and the horns "What is the reason of this? of pride. For if he had really loved Me above everything and that poor wretch s soul, he would have been humble and without fear would have sought his salvation. See, then, what evil follows these three vices which I have presented to thee under the form of three columns, from which proceed all other sins pride, avarice and im Thy ears would not be strong purity of mind and body. enough to hear how great are the evils which issue from And through their these columns like wings of the Devil. pride, dishonour, and greed it sometimes happens (and thou hast seen such cases) that they will make simple women of "

good

faith like to themselves, for the

poor creatures, fearing

minds on account of their defects that they are possessed by the Devil, come to the wretched priest believing that he can liberate them, but in reality they are merely

in

their

And he in his applying to one devil to drive out another. greed receives their offering, and like a dishonourable, las civious brute will say to these poor souls The defect which and thus you have can only be removed in one way he cause them miserably to sin with him. Oh demon, and more than a demon For in everything hast thou become worse than a devil. For there are many devils who hold this sin in horror, wherefore thou hast become worse than them, for thou rollest thyself therein with will

!

!


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delight like the pig in his stye. Oh foul animal, is this what I require of thee by virtue of the blood of which I have made !

thee My minister? That instead of driving the Devil out of souls, thou should put him within them ? Dost thou not see that the axe of Divine justice is "

already laid to the root of thy tree ? And I say to thee that thy iniquities shall be punished in due season with usury, if

thou do not punish them with penance and contrition of

heart.

No

respect will be paid thee, because thou art a priest, wilt rather be miserably punished and suffer, not only for thyself but for them also, for thou wilt be more <(

and thou

and perhaps thou

cruelly punished than others,

remember how thou wast wont the demon of concupiscence.

And

wilt

then

to drive out the Devil

with

be with that other wretch, who goes to sin, and binds her instead with another and greater sin, sinning himself afresh with If thou remember, thou hast seen with thine own her. such a case, on whom an evil man laid hands. eyes Truly is such a man without the dog of conscience, indeed, he stifles others consciences as well as his own. I have appointed them to chant and sing psalms during the night, reciting the divine office, and they occupy them selves in making charms and invoking the demon of mid "

so will

it

absolve a fellow-creature in mortal

"

whom

night in order to cause those

come seem

they sinfully love to

them through their devilish incantations. It will to them that they come, but they do not really do so. I have appointed to thee to Wretched man pass the vigils of the night in prayer and watching, so that on the morrow thou mayest go rightly disposed to the altar, and give forth the odour of virtue to the people and not the to

"

!

stench of vice.

Thou

hast been placed in an angelic state to

converse by holy meditation with the angels in this life, and at last with them to enjoy Me but thou delightest in being one of the devils and in conversing with them even before ;

The horns of thy pride have pierced the pupil of holy faith in the eye of thy intellect. Thou hast lost the light, and therefore seest not in what misery thou art ; and thy death.


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thou believest not truly that every sin is punished and every virtue rewarded, for if thou didst truly believe it thou wouldest not act so ; thou wouldest not seek or desire such conversation as the devil s ; rather wouldest thou flee in terror at the mention of his name but because thou obeyest his will and takest delight in his actions thou seekest him, one ;

blind

man

seeking another.

would have thee ask the Devil what reward he can give thee for the service thou payest him. He would reply that he will give thee the reward that he himself has obtained, "

I

for he can give thee nothing else than the cruel torments of the fire in which he continually burns since he fell from the height of heaven in his pride.

And

thou, an earthly angel, fallest by thy pride from the of the height dignity of the priesthood and from the treasure of virtue, into the poverty of thy many miseries ; and if "

thou do not correct thyself thou wilt fall further into the depths of hell. Thou hast made the world and thyself thy god and thy Tell the world to answer for thee before Me, the lord. supreme Judge, with all its delights which thou hast enjoyed in this life, and tell thy own sensuality to answer for thee for it is thy sensuality which has caused thee to enjoy the when I had placed you in the state of things of the world the priesthood in order to despise both thyself and the world. They will reply that they cannot help thee ; they will make "

thee, saying that success is thy own affair, and thou wilt remain confounded and guilty before Me and the

mock of world.

All this loss of thine thou seest not actually, because, as have said, the horns of thy pride have blinded thee ; but thou wilt see it at the extremity of death, when thou canst seek no remedy in any virtue of thine own, except only in "

I

My mercy if thou hopest in that sweet Blood of which thou wast made the minister. This hope, indeed, will never be taken from thee, or from any one, as long as you are still and in My mercy, although no nor thou so blind, as to go on moment without conversion.

willing to hope in the Blood

one should be such a

up

till

the last

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that at that last extremity the

man who has

lived wickedly is accused by the Devil and the world his own fragility, and they do not deceive him or show

and him

pleasure where is bitterness, or perfection where is imper fection, or light for darkness, as they used to do during his The life ; they show him things as they are in truth.

watch-dog of conscience, so enfeebled, begins now to bark so loudly that he leads the soul, as it were, to despair but all should lay hold with hope on the Blood, in spite of the sins which they have committed, because My mercy which ye receive in the Blood is without any comparison greater than all the sins that are committed in the world. But let no one put off his repentance, for it is a terrible thing for a man to find himself disarmed on the field of ;

"

battle in the presence of

many

enemies."

CHAPTER CXXX. Of many other

sins

which the said wretched ministers commit.

THESE wretches, oh! dearest daughter, of whom I have spoken to thee, take no thought for themselves, for if they did they would not come to such a pass, neither they nor "

others.

But they would be like those who live in virtue, and who would prefer to die rather than sin and defile the face of their soul, and diminish the dignity in which I have placed them ; they rather increase the dignity and beauty of their "

souls, not

that the

priestly dignity in

itself

can increase

through virtue, or diminish through sin, as I have said, but virtue is an ornament and a dignity with which such men adorn their souls over and above its natural beauty which it

had from the beginning when I created it to My image and likeness such as these would know the truth of My good ness and their own beauty and dignity, because pride and self-love would not have darkened them or deprived them of the light of reason, and they would love Me, and the ;


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But these poor wretches, being entirely of the light, and heedlessly going from vice to vice, deprived so that at last they fall into the ditch, have made of the

salvation of souls.

temple of their soul and of the holy church which should be a stable full of animals. a garden How abominable it is to Me, oh ! dearest daughter, that "

which ought to be the homes of My servants, and of the poor, and where they should keep the breviary for their spouse, and the books of Holy Scripture for their children, and should take delight in teaching their neighbour and in living a holy life, should have become the homes of Their spouse is no breviary impurity and wicked persons. as an treat the adulteress) but a miser breviary (they able she-devil who lives with them in impurity. Their holy scriptures are a regiment of children, and with these children whom they have obtained in such foul misery they The festivals and solemnities shamelessly take pleasure. on which they should render praise and glory to My name, with divine office, offering Me the incense of devout and humble prayers, they pass at play, and in taking solace with their she-devils, and they go off with companies of seculars, hunting beasts and birds as if themselves were Oh wretched man to seculars and fine court gentlemen. what hast thou come ? Thou shouldst hunt and snare souls to the glory and praise of My name in the garden of the holy church, instead of wandering round the woods ; but because thou hast become an animal, thy soul being their houses,

!

many mortal sins, hast thou made and a snarer of animals ; because the a hunter thyself of soul has grown wild and full of thorns, thou thy garden filled

with the animals of

takest delight in wandering through desert places hunting wild beasts. Look on thy sins and be ashamed, oh man, !

for thou hast matter for

shame on every

side, but thou art

without shame, having lost My true and holy fear. Shame less as a harlot, thou art proud of keeping great station in the world, and having a fine household, and a regiment of many children, and if thou hast none thou seekest to have

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hast nothing to leave them, for thine heirs are the poor of the holy church. "

Oh

!

incarnate devil, deprived of light, thou seekest that

which thou oughtest not to seek, thou praisest and vauntest thyself of that which should cause thee the greatest confusion and shame before Me who see the interior of thy heart, and But the horns of thy pride do not let before creatures. I have placed him, dearest daughter, thee see thy shame. on the bridge of My doctrine and My truth to administer

you pilgrims the sacraments of the holy Church, and he remains in the river of misery under the Bridge, and to

sacraments standing in the river of the delights and miseries of the world, and he does not see that the tide of death is gaining on him, and that he travels in

administers

My

whom he has served journey through the river without any restraint. And if he do not correct himself he will reach eternal damnation, and such punishment and reproba company with and allowed

his masters the devils

to direct his

would not be able to narrate it, and For the same fault is more severely punished in him than in a secular, and with graver reprobation do his enemies rise up before him on the

tion that thy tongue

indeed far more than a secular.

bridge of death to accuse him, as

said to

I

thee."

CHAPTER CXXXI. Of the

4t

difference between the death of a just man and that of a sinner, and first of the death of the just man.

HAVING

told thee

how

the world and the devils accuse

these wretches, which is indeed the truth, I wish to speak to thee in more detail on this point (so that thou mayest

have greater compassion on these poor wretches), thee

man

how

telling

of the soul of a just how different are their

different are the struggles

to those

of

a

sinner,

deaths, and how the peace

and

of the just

man s death

is


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perfection of his the sufferings

all

soul.

which

endure depend on their will, because if with mine they would endure no suffering, not that they would have no labours on that account, but because labours cause no suffering to a will which gladly endures them, seeing that they are ordained rational creatures

their will

by

My

were

will.

in accordance

Such men

as

these

wage war with the

world, the Devil, and their own sensuality through holy hatred of themselves. Wherefore when they come to the point of death, they die peacefully, because they have The world vanquished their enemies during their life. cannot accuse such a man, because he saw through its deceptions and therefore renounced it with all its delights. His sensual fragility and his body do not accuse him, because he bound sensuality like a slave with the rein of reason, macerating his flesh with penance, with watchings, and humble and continual prayer. The will of his senses he slew with hatred and dislike of vice, and with love of He has entirely lost all tenderness for his body, virtue. which tenderness and love between the soul and the body makes death seem difficult, and on account of it man but since the virtue of a just and naturally fears death ;

perfect man transcends nature, extinguishing his fear and overcoming it with holy hatred of

natural

himself

and

desire of arriving at his last end, his natural tender ness cannot make war on him, and his conscience remains

his life his conscience kept a good him when enemies were coming to attack guard, warning the city of his soul, like a watch-dog which stands at the door, and when it sees enemies warns the guards by its barking, for in this way the dog of conscience warns the sentry of reason, and the reason together with the free-will know by the light of the intellect whether the stranger be friend or enemy. To a friend, that is to say, to virtue and holy he thoughts, gave his delighted love, receiving and using

in peace

;

for during

these with great solicitude ; to an enemy, that is to say, to vice and wicked thoughts, he gave hatred and displeasure. And with the knife of hatred of self, and love of Me, and


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with the light of reason, and the hand of free-will he struck his enemies ; so that at the point of death his conscience, having been a faithful guardian, does not

gnaw

but remains in peace. It is true that a just soul, through humility, and because at the moment of death she realizes better the value of "

time and of the jewels of virtue, reproves herself, seeming have used her time but little ; but this is not

to herself to

an

afflictive pain,

lected

in

herself,

but rather profitable, for the soul recol is caused by it to throw herself before

the Blood of the humble and immaculate

The

Lamb My

Son.

man

does not turn his head to admire his past virtues, because he neither can nor will hope in his own virtues, but only in the Blood in which he has found mercy ; just

and as he lived in the memory of that Blood, so in death he inebriated and drowned in the same. How is it that the devils cannot reprove him of sin ? Because during his life he conquered their malice with wisdom, yet they come round him to see if they can acquire anything, and appear in horrible shapes in order to frighten him with hideous aspect, and many diverse phantasms, but the poison of sin not being in his soul, their aspect causes him no terror or fear, as it would do to another who had lived wickedly in the world. Wherefore the devils, seeing that the soul has entered into the Blood with ardent love, cannot endure the But their sight, but stand afar off shooting their arrows. war and their shouts cannot hurt that soul, who already is is

beginning to taste eternal

as

life,

place, for with the eye of the

I

said to thee in another

intellect

illuminated

by the

pupil of the holy faith, she sees Me, the Infinite and Eternal Good, whom she hopes to obtain by grace, not as her due, but by virtue of Jesus Christ Son.

My

Wherefore opening the arms of hope and seizing Him with the hands of love, she seems to enter into His posses sion before she actually does so, in the way which I have "

narrated

to

thee

in

another

place.

Passing suddenly,

the Blood, by the narrow door of the Word she reaches Me, the Sea Pacific. For sea and door are

drowned

in

united together.

I

and the Truth,

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What joy such a soul being one and the same thing. who sees herself so sweetly arrived at this pass, for in Truth she tastes the happiness of the angelic nature This joy is received by all those who pass in this sweet receives

!

manner, but to a far greater extent by My ministers, of I spoke to thee, who have lived like angels, for in this life have they lived with greater knowledge, and with I do not speak greater hunger for the salvation of souls. all can have in general, virtue which of of the light only but of the supernatural light which these men possessed

whom

over and above the light of virtuous living, the light, that of My is, of holy science, by which science they knew more Truth, and he who knows more loves Me more, and he Your reward is loves Me more receives more. measured according to the measure of your love, and if thou shouldest ask Me, whether one who has no science

who

can attain to this love, I should reply, yes it is possible that he may attain to it, but an individual case does not make a general law and I always discourse to thee in general. "

They

also receive greater dignity

on account of

their

priesthood, because they have personally received the office For just as every one has of eating souls in My honour. the office of remaining in charity with his neighbour, to

them

is

given the

governing "

office of

administering the Blood, and of

souls.

Wherefore

if

they do this solicitously and with love of

virtue they receive, as has been said, more than others. Oh ! how happy are their souls when they come to the For they have been the defenders extremity of death !

and preachers of the faith to their neighbour. This faith they have incarnated in their very marrow, and with it they see their place of repose in Me. The hope with which they have lived, confiding in My providence and losing all trust in themselves, in that they did not hope in their own ledge, and having lost hope in themselves, placed

ordinate

thing

with

;

love

in

any

having lived great

delight

fellow-creature

or in

any

know no

in

created

voluntary poverty, causes them now to lift their confidence towards Me.

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Their heart, which was a vessel of love, inscribed by their ardent charity with My name, they showed forth with the example of their good and holy life and by the doctrine of This heart then arises and their words to their neighbour. seizes Me,

Me

Who am

its

End, with ineffable

the pearl of justice which

love, restoring to

always carried before it, doing justice to all and discreetly rendering to each his Wherefore this man renders to Me justice with true due. humility, and renders glory and praise to My Name, because he refers to Me the grace of having been able to run his course with a pure and holy conscience, and with himself he is indignant, deeming himself unworthy of re ceiving such grace. His conscience gives good testimony of him to Me, and I justly give him the crown of justice, adorned with the that is, of the fruit which love has pearls of the virtues it

"

drawn from the

virtues. Oh, earthly angel happy thou thou hast not been ungrateful for the benefits received from Me, and hast not been negligent or ignorant, !

art in that

but hast solicitously opened thine eye by the true light, and kept it on thy subjects, and hast faithfully and manfully followed the doctrine of the Good Shepherd, sweet Christ

My only begotten Son, wherefore thou art really now passing through Him, the Door, bathed and drowned in His blood, with thy troop of lambs of whom thou hast brought

Jesus,

many by thy holy doctrine and example left many behind thee in a state of

to eternal life,

and

hast

grace. to such as these the vision of "Oh, dearest daughter! the devils can do no harm, because of the vision which they

have of Me, which they see by faith and hold by love ; the darkness and the terrible aspect of the demons do not give them trouble or any fear, because in them is not the poison There is no servile fear in them, but holy fear. of sin. Wherefore they do not fear the demon s deception, because with supernatural light and with the light of Holy Scripture they know them, so that they do not cause them darkness or disquietude. So thus they gloriously pass, bathed in the blood, with hunger for the salvation of souls, all on fire with love for the neighbour, having passed through the door of


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into Me ; and by My goodness each arranged in his place, and to each one is measured of the affection of love according as he has measured to Me.

the

word and entered

one

is

1

CHAPTER CXXXII. Of the death "

NOT

of sinners,

and of their pains

in the

hour of death.

so excellent, dearest daughter, is the end of these who are in great misery as I have

other poor wretches

to thee. How terrible and dark is their death Because in the moment of death, as I told thee, the Devil accuses them with great terror and darkness, showing his face, which thou knowest is so horrible that the creature would rather choose any pain that can be suffered in this world than see it and so greatly does he freshen the sting The disordinate of conscience that it gnaws him horribly. delights and sensuality of which he made lords over his reason, accuse him miserably, because then he knows the truth of that which at first he knew not, and his error

related

!

;

brings him to great confusion. In his life he lived unfaithfully to "

veiled

the

of

pupil

Me

the most holy faith

self-love

having wherefore the

Devil torments him with infidelity in order to bring him to

Oh ! how hard for them is this battle, because it despair. finds them disarmed, without the armour of affection and because, as members of the Devil, they have been Wherefore they have not the super deprived of it all. natural light, neither the light of science, because they did charity

;

not understand

it,

the horns of their pride not letting them

understand the sweetness of in the great battle

its

they know

marrow.

Wherefore now

not what to do.

They

are

not nourished in hope, because they have not hoped in Me, neither in the Blood of which I made them ministers, but in themselves alone,

the all

world.

And

was counted

to

and

the

in the dignities and delights of incarnate wretch did not see that

him with

interest,

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he would have to render an account

CATHERINE to

Me

;

now he

finds

himself denuded and without any virtue, and on whichever side he turns he hears nothing but reproaches with great

His

confusion.

injustice

which he practised

in

his

life

accuses him to his conscience, wherefore he dares not ask other than justice. "

And

I

tell

thee that so great

sion that unless in their

life

My

is,

hoping in

mercy, that

is

that

shame and confu

they have taken the habit of have taken the milk of mercy

(although on account of their sins this is great presumption, for you cannot truly say that he who strikes Me with the arm of My mercy has a hope in mercy, but rather has pre sumption), there is not one who would not despair, and with despair they would arrive with the Devil in eternal

damnation.

But arriving at the extremity of death, and recognising his sin, his conscience unloaded by holy confession, and presumption taken away, so that he offends no more, there "

remains mercy, and

with

this

mercy he can,

if

he

will,

This is the effect of My mercy to take hold on hope. cause them to hope therein during their life, although 1 do not grant them this, so that they should offend Me by means of My mercy, but rather that they should dilate themselves in charity, and in the consideration of My

But they act in a contrary way, because they hope which they have in My mercy. And nevertheless, I keep them in this hope so that at the last moment they may have something which they may lay hold of, and by so doing not faint away with the condemnation which they receive, and thus arrive at despair for this final sin of despair is much more displeasing to Me and injures them much more than all the other sins which they And this is the reason why this sin is have committed. more dangerous to them and displeasing to Me, because they commit other sins through some delight of their own sensuality, and they sometimes grieve for them, and if they grieve in the right way their grief will procure them mercy. But it is no fragility of your nature which moves you to despair, for there is no pleasure and nothing but intolerable goodness. offend

Me

in the

;


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One who despairs despises suffering in it. mercy, his sin to be greater than making mercy and goodness, Wherefore, if a man fall into this sin, he does not repent,

My

My

and does not truly grieve for his offence against me as he should, grieving indeed for his own loss, but not for the offence done to Me, and therefore he receives eternal See, therefore, that this sin alone leads him to where he is punished for this and all the other sins which he has committed ; whereas had he grieved and repented for the offence done to Me, and hoped in My mercy he would have found mercy, for, as I have said to thee,

damnation. hell,

My sins

mercy is greater without any comparison than all the which any creature can commit wherefore it greatly ;

displeases

Me

that they should consider their sins

to

be

greater. is that sin which is pardoned neither here nor and it is because despair displeases Me so much hereafter, that I wish them to hope in My mercy at the point of death, even if their life have been disordered and wicked. This is why during their life I use this sweet trick with them, making them hope greatly in My mercy, for when, "

Despair

having fed themselves with this hope, they arrive at death, they are not so inclined to abandon it, on account of the severe condemnation they receive, as if they had not so nourished themselves. "All

this is given

them by the

fire

and abyss of

My

love, but because they have used it in the darkness of self-love, from which has proceeded their every sin, they have not known it in truth, but in so far as they have turned their affections towards the sweetness of My

inestimable

mercy they have thought of

And

this is

it with great presumption. another cause of reproof which their conscience

gives them in the likeness of the Devil, reproving them in that they should have used the time and the breadth of

My

mercy in which they hoped, in charity and love of virtue, and that the time which I gave them through love should have been spent in holiness, whereas with all their time and great hope of My mercy they did nothing but offend

Me

miserably.

Oh

!

blinder than the blind

!

Thou u

hast


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hidden thy pearl and thy talent which I placed in thy hands in order that thou mightest gain more with it, but thou in thy presumption wouldst not do My will, rather thou didst hide it under the ground of disordinate self-love, which now renders thee the

fruit

of death.

Thy miseries are not hid from thee now, for the worm of conscience sleeps no longer, but is gnawing thee, the "

devils shout and render to thee the reward which they are accustomed to give their servants, that is to say, confusion

and condemnation

they wish to bring thee to despair, so of death thou mayest not escape from their hands, and therefore they try to confuse thee, so that afterwards when thou art with them they may render to that at the

;

moment

thee of the part which

is theirs. Oh, wretch the dignity which I placed thee, thou now seest shining as it really is, and thou knowest to thy shame that thou hast held and used in such guilty darkness the substance of the holy Church, that thou seest thyself to be a thief, a debtor, who ought to pay his debt to the poor and the holy Church. Then thy conscience represents to thee that thou hast spent the money on public harlots, and hast brought up thy children and enriched thy relations, and hast thrown it away on gluttony and on many silver vessels and other adornments for thy house. Whereas thou shouldst have !

in

lived in voluntary poverty. "Thy

conscience represents to thee the divine office neglect, by which thou didst fall into the

which thou didst

guilt of mortal sin,

and how even when thou didst

recite

it

with thy mouth thy heart was far from Me. Conscience also shows thee thy subjects, that is to say, the love and

hunger which thou shouldest have felt towards nourishing them in virtue, giving them the example of thy life and striking them with the hand of mercy and the rod of justice, and because thou didst the contrary thy conscience and the horrible likeness of the Devil reproves thee. "And if as a prelate thou hast given prelacies or

any

charge of souls unjustly to one of thy subjects, that is, that thou hast not considered to whom and how thou wert giving the Devil puts this also before thy conscience, because it,


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thou oughtest to have given it, not on account of pleasant words, nor in order to please creatures, nor for the sake of gifts, but solely with regard to virtue, My honour and the And since thou hast not done so thou salvation of souls.

and confusion thou the and hast before thy conscience light of thine intellect hast done and that which thou ought not to have done, and that which thou oughtest to have done and hast not done. I wish thee to know, dearest daughter, that whiteness is better seen when placed on a black ground, and blackness art reproved,

and

for thy greater pain

"

on a white, than when they are separated.

So

it

happens

to these wretches, to these in particular and to all others in general, for at death when the soul begins to see its woes,

and the

just

man

his beatitude, his evil life is represented to is no reason that any one should

a wicked man, and there

remind him of the sins that he has committed, for his con

them before him, together with the virtues which he ought to have practised. Why the virtues ? For his greater shame. For vice being placed on a ground of virtue is known better on account of the virtue, and the better he knows his sin, the greater his shame, and by com parison with his sin he knows better the perfection of virtue, wherefore he grieves the more, for he sees that his own life was devoid of any and I wish thee to know that in this knowledge which dying sinners have of virtue and vice they see only too clearly the good which follows the virtue of a just man, and the pain that comes on him who has lain in the darkness of mortal sin. I do not give him this knowledge so that he may despair, but so that he may come to a per fect self-knowledge and shame for his sins, with hope, so that with that pain and knowledge he may pay for his sins, and appease My anger, humbly begging My mercy. The virtuous man increases thereby in joy and in knowledge of My love, for he attributes the grace of having followed virtue in the doctrine of My truth to Me and not to himself, wherefore he exalts in Me, with this truly illuminated know ledge, and tastes and receives the sweet end of his being in the way which I have related to thee in another place. So science places

;

that the one, that is to say, the just

man, who has lived

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ardent

charity,

exalts in joy,

darkened and confounded

ST.

CATHERINE

while

the

wicked

man

is

in sorrow.

To the just man the appearance and vision of the Devil causes no harm or fear, for fear and harm can only be caused to him by sin ; but those who have passed their lives lasciviously and in many sins, receive both harm and "

fear from the appearance of the devils, not indeed the

they do not wish

harm

but the suffering of con demnation, of the refreshing of the worm of conscience, and of fear and terror at their horrible aspect. See now, dearest

of despair

if

it,

daughter, how different are the sufferings and the battle of death to a just man and to a sinner, and how different is their end. "

I

have shown to the eye of thy

intellect

a very small

part of what happens, and so small is what I have shown thee with regard to what it really is, to the suffering, that and the happiness of the other, that it is but a is, of the one, trifle.

See how great

is

the blindness of man, and in particular

of these ministers, for the more they have received of Me, and the more they are enlightened by the Holy Scripture, the greater are their obligations and more intolerable con fusion do they receive for not fulfilling them ; the more they knew of Holy Scripture during their life, the better do they know at their death the great sins they have committed, and their torments are greater than those of others, just as good men are placed in a higher degree of excellence. Theirs is

the fate of the false Christian, who is placed in Hell in greater torment than a pagan, because he had the light of faith and renounced it, while the pagan never had it. "

So these wretches

will

be punished more than other

Christians for the same sin, on account of the ministry which I entrusted to them, appointing them to administer the sun

of the holy Sacrament, and because they had the light of science, in order to discern the truth both for themselves and others had they wished to ; wherefore they justly receive

But the wretches do not know the greater pains. did they consider their state at all, they would not

this, for

come

to

such misery, but would be that which they ought to be and For the whole world has thus become corrupt, are not.


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they being

guilty than seculars,

with their stench they

their state

;

their soul,

and corrupt

for

309

their subjects,

from

defile

according to the face of

and suck the blood

My spouse, that is, these sins they make her

the holy Church, wherefore through

grow pale, because they divert to themselves the love and charity which they should have to this divine spouse, and think of nothing but stripping her

own advantage, when they ought

seizing prelacies, and great pro

for their

Wherefore become irreverent and dis obedient to the holy Church, not that they ought on that account to do so, or that their sins are excused through the

perties,

through their

sins of

My

to

be seeking souls.

evil life, seculars

ministers."

CHAPTER A

brief repetition of many things said above, and gether forbids that priests should be touched

seculars

:

wretched "

CXXXIII.

THERE

thee, but

and how He

GOD

alto

by the hand of soul to weep over these

priests.

are I

invites this

how

many

other sins of which

do not wish

to

make

I

might speak to

thine ears itch any longer.

have told thee so much in order to satisfy thy desire, and so that thou mayest be more solicitous to offer before Me I

And I have told thy sweet, amorous, and bitter longings. thee that the excellence to which I have appointed them, and of the treasure which is administered to you by their hands, that is, of the holy Sacrament, wholly God and wholly man, illustrating this truth to thee by the figure of the sun in order that thou mightest see that the virtue of the Sacrament therefore

it

is

is

My

not diminished by their sins, and that will that your reverence towards them

should not diminish on that account. And I have shown thee the excellence of My virtuous ministers in whom shines the pearl of holy justice and the other virtues. I have also

shown

thee

how

displeasing to

Me

is

the offence committed


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by persecutors of the holy Church, and also the irreverence which they hold the Blood. For the persecutions directed

in

My

against

ministers

consider as directed against the

I

Blood and not against them, for I have forbidden My Christs I have also related to thee somewhat of the to be touched. shameful life of My ministers, how wretchedly they live, and what pain and confusion they receive at their death, and how much more cruelly than others they are punished after I have now fulfilled My promise to thee, which was death. to

tell

fulfil "

life and, having consented to promise, have satisfied thy demand. now repeat to thee what I said at first, that however

thee something of their

My I

great their sins might be, even if they were greater than I have mentioned, I do not wish any secular to occupy him self in punishing them ; and if they do so their sin will not

remain unpunished unless they punish it themselves, amend For both secular ing their lives with contrition of heart. and priest are incarnate devils, and through the divine justice one devil punishes another, and both sin, so that the secular is not excused through the sin of the prelate, nor the prelate through the sin of the secular. I now invite thee, dearest daughter, and

all

My

other

servants, to weep over these corpses, and to remain like lambs in the garden of the holy Church, feeding there with

holy desire and continued prayers, offering them before Me for their sakes, for I wish to do mercy to the world ; and do not leave this food of yours either, through injuries or

through prosperity, for

I

do not wish

My

servants to

lift

their heads with impatience or disordinate joy, but humbly honour and the salvation of to devote yourselves to

My

And souls, and to the reformation of the holy Church. this will be a proof to Me that thou and other servants in truth. Thou knowest well that I showed thee love

My

Me

how

I

wished thee and

My

other servants to be lambs ever

feeding in the garden of the holy Church, enduring with fatigue up to the last moment of their lives, and if in truth

thou doest so

I

will fulfil

thy

desires."


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CHAPTER CXXXIV. How THEN

this

this

devout soul, praising and thanking prayer for the Holy Church.

soul, as

if

inebriated,

GOD, made

tormented,

a

and on

fire

turned with love, her heart wounded with great bitterness, Eternal Goodness, saying: and the to herself Supreme Eternal God! oh! Light above every other light, "Oh!

Oh Fire above every fire, from whom issues all light without the art Thou because only Fire who burnest all sin and self-love found in consumest and consuming, !

!

the

not afflicting her, but fattening her with insa and though the soul is filled she is not love, desires Thee, and the more of Thee she ever but

soul,

tiable

sated,

more she seeks and the more she desires, the more she finds and tastes of Thee Supreme and Eternal Oh Supreme and Eternal Good, Fire, Abyss of Charity. Infinite God, to illuminate me, Thy who has moved Thee, of the with finite creature Thy Truth ? Thou, the same light it is always love which because the Fire of Love art cause, create us in Thine to Thee constrains constrained and us do to and mercy, giving immea image and similitude, Oh creatures. rational to surable and infinite graces Thy is who He art alone Thou Goodness above all goodness the Word, Thou nevertheless and gavest Supremely Good, has, the

!

!

!

us filthy ones and only-begotten Son, to converse with Love. of this ? cause the was What filled with darkness. Good! Oh! were. we before us Because Thou lovedst

Thy

oh!

Eternal Greatness!

Thou madest Thyself low and

On which ever side I turn I And fire of Thy charity. and find nothing but the abyss the and the Thee to graces can a wretch like me pay back so with showest and shown hast burning charity that Thou common me to beyond much burning love in particular showest to all Thy charity, and the love that Thou amorous creatures ? No, but Thou alone, most sweet and and thankful grateful for me, Father, art He who will be

small to

make man

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that

is,

that the affection of

Thee thanks, because

I

am

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Thy charity itself will render who is not, and if I spoke

she

as being anything of myself, I should be lying by my head, and should be a lying daughter of the Devil, who

own is

the father of

And my

lies,

because

Thou

He who

alone art

being and every further grace that

bestowed upon me, I have from Thee, through love, and not as my due.

who

Thou

givest

is.

hast

them

to

me

"

Oh

!

sweetest Father,

when

the

human

race lay sick

through the sin of Adam, Thou didst send it a Physician, the sweet and amorous Word Thy Son ; and now, when I was lying infirm with the sickness of negligence and much ignorance, Thou, most soothing and sweet Physician, Eternal God, hast given a soothing, sweet, and bitter medicine, that I may be cured and rise from my infirmity. Thou hast soothed me because with Thy love and gentle ness Thou hast manifested Thyself to me, Sweet above all sweetness, and hast illuminated the eye of my intellect with the light of most holy faith, with which light, according as it has pleased Thee to manifest it to me, I have known the excellence of grace which Thou hast given to the human

God-Man in the mystic And I have known the dignity of Thy ministers whom Thou hast appointed to administer Thee to us. I desired that Thou wouldest fulfil the promise that Thou madest to me, and Thou gavest much more, more even than I knew how to ask for. Wherefore I know in truth that the heart of man knows not how to ask or desire as much as thou canst give, and thus I see that Thou art He Who is the Supreme and Eternal Good, and that we And because Thou art infinite, and are they who are not. we are finite, Thou givest that which Thy rational creature race, administering to

it

the entire

body of the holy Church.

for she cannot desire it in itself, cannot desire enough nor in the way in which Thou canst and wilt satisfy the ;

filling her with things for which she does not ask Thee. Moreover, I have received light from Thy Great ness and Charity, through the love which Thou hast for the

soul,

whole human

who ought

race, and in particular for Thy anointed ones, to be earthly angels in this life. Thou hast


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Thy

anointed

who have

ones

lived like burning lamps, shining with the Pearl of Justice in the holy Church. And by comparison with these I have better understood the sins of those who live

Wherefore I have conceived a very great and the harm done to the whole

wretchedly.

sorrow

Thy

at

offence

harm to the world, being mirrors of sin when they ought to be mirrors of virtue. And because Thou hast manifested and grieved over their iniquities to me a wretch who am the cause and instrument of many world, for they do

sins

am

plunged in intolerable grief. oh inestimable love, hast manifested this to me, Thou, me a sweet and bitter medicine that I might wholly giving arise out of the infirmity of my ignorance and negligence, and have recourse to Thee with anxious and solicitous desire, knowing myself and Thy goodness and the offences which are committed against Thee by all sorts of people, so that I might shed a river of tears, drawn from the know ledge of Thy infinite goodness, over my wretched self and over those who are dead in that they live miserably. Wherefore I do not wish, oh eternal Father, ineffable Fire I

"

!

!

of Love, that fail

my

heart should ever

through tears, in desiring

Thy

grow weary, or my eyes honour and the salvation

of souls, but I beg of Thee, by Thy grace, that they may be as two streams of water issuing from Thee, the Sea

Thanks, thanks to Thee, oh Father, for having that which I asked Thee and that which I

Pacific.

!

me

granted

knew nor Thou hast

neither

asked, for by

grief

invited

me

Thus giving me matter for offer before Thee sweet,

to

and yearning desires, with humble and continual Now I beg of Thee that Thou wilt do mercy to prayer. the world and to the holy Church. I pray Thee to fulfil that which Thou didst cause me to ask Thee. Alas what a wretched and sorrowful soul is mine, the cause of all these

loving,

!

Do

evils.

not put off any longer

towards the world, but descend and

Thy fulfil

merciful designs the desire of Thy

servants. "

Ah me

voices

!

!

Thou

Thy

causest them to cry in order to hear their

truth told us to cry out,

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answered to knock, and it would be opened to us to beg, and it would be given to us. Oh eternal Father, Thy servants do cry out to Thy mercy do Thou then reply. I know well that mercy is Thine own attribute, where fore Thou canst not destroy it or refuse it to him who asks for it. Thy servants knock at the door of Thy truth, ;

;

!

;

"

because

in the truth of

Thy

only-begotten Son they know hast for man, wherefore the

Thou

the ineffable love which

of Thy love ought not and cannot refrain from opening him who knocks with perseverance. Wherefore open, unlock, and break the hardened hearts of Thy creatures, not for their sakes who do not knock, but on account of Thy infinite goodness, and through love of Thy servants who knock at Thee for their sakes. Grant the prayer of those,

fire

to

Thou

Eternal Father, who, as

Thy

truth

and pray.

seest, stand

at the

the Blood of this door

Thy

truth

door of

For with hast Thou washed

For what do they pray

our iniquities and destroyed the stain of The Blood is ours, for Thou hast made

?

Adam s it

sin.

our bath,

canst not deny it to any one who truly Give, then, the fruit of Thy Blood to Thy Place in the balance the price of the blood of creatures. Thy Son, so that the infernal devils may not carry off Thy

wherefore asks for

lambs.

Thou

it.

Thou

art the

Good Shepherd who,

obedience, laid down His us a bath of His Blood.

life

for

Thy

to

lambs, and

Thy

fulfil

made

for

is what Thy hungry servants beg of Thee begging Thee through it to do mercy to the world, and to cause Thy holy Church to bloom with the fragrant flowers of good and holy pastors, who by their sweet odour shall extinguish the stench of the putrid flowers "That

Blood

at this door,

of

sin.

Thou

hast said, eternal Father, that through the love

which Thou hast for Thy rational creatures, and the prayers and the many virtues and labours of Thy servants, Thou wouldest do mercy to the world, and reform the Church, and thus give us refreshment wherefore do not delay, but turn the eye of Thy mercy towards us, for Thou must first ;

reply to us

mercy.

before

Open

we

can cry out with the voice of

the door of

Thy

inestimable love which

Thy

Thou


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hast given us through the door of Thy Word. I know indeed that Thou openest before even we can knock, for it is with the affection of love which Thou hast given to Thy servants, that they knock honour and the salvation

bread of

life,

and cry

Thee, seeking Thy Give them then the of the Blood of Thy

to

of souls.

that is to say, the fruit

only begotten Son, which they ask of Thee for the praise For and glory of My name and the salvation of souls.

more glory and praise

will be Thine in saving so many than in creatures, leaving them obstinate in their hardness of heart. To Thee, Eternal Father, everything is possible,

and even though Thou hast created us without our own I beg of Thee tohelp, Thou wilt not save us without it. force their wills, and dispose them to wish for that for which they do not wish and this I ask Thee through Thy infinite mercy. Thou hast created us from nothing, now, that are in existence, do mercy to us, and we therefore, remake the vessels which Thou hast created to Thy image and likeness. Re-create them to Grace in Thy mercy and the Blood of Thy Son sweet Christ Jesus." ;

CHAPTER CXXXV. A TREATISE OF OBEDIENCE Here begins the

treatise of obedience, and first of where obedience found, and what it is that destroys it, and what is the sign of a man s possessing it, and what accompanies and nourishes obedience.

may be

THE Supreme and

Eternal Father, kindly turning the eye of

His mercy and clemency towards her, replied Thy holy desire and righteous request, oh dearest daughter, have a right to be heard, and inasmuch as I am the Supreme Truth, I will keep My word, fulfilling the promise which I made to And if thou ask Me where thee, and satisfying thy desire. obedience is to be found, and what is the cause of its loss, and the sign of its possession, I reply that thou wilt find it "

:

!


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in its completeness in

ST.

CATHERINE

the sweet and amorous

Word,

My

So prompt in Him was this virtue, only-begotten Son. that, in order to fulfil it, He hastened to the shameful death of the Cross. What destroys obedience ? Look at the first man and thou wilt see the cause which destroyed the obedience imposed on him by Me, the eternal Father. It

was

pride,

which was produced by

self-love,

and desire to

This was the cause that deprived please his companion. him of the perfection of obedience, giving him instead dis obedience, depriving him of the life of grace, and slaying he fell into impurity and great misery, and not only he, but the whole human race, as I said to thee. The sign that thou hast this virtue is patience, his innocence, wherefore

and impatience the sign that you have it not, and thou wilt find that this is indeed so, when I speak to thee further con cerning this virtue. But observe that obedience may be kept in two ways, of which one is more perfect than the other, not that they are on that account separated, but united as I The one explained to thee of the precepts and counsels. way is the most perfect, the other is also good and perfect for no one at all can reach eternal life if he be not obedient, for the door was unlocked by the key of obedience, which had been fastened by the disobedience of Adam. I, then, ;

being constrained by My infinite goodness, since I saw that man whom I so much loved, did not return to Me, his End, took the keys of obedience and placed them in the hands of My sweet and amorous Word the Truth and He

becoming the porter of that door, opened it, and no one can enter except by means of that door and that Porter. Wherefore He said in the Holy Gospel that no one could When He returned come to Me, the Father, if not by Htm. to Me, rising to Heaven from the conversation of men at the Ascension, He left you this sweet key of obedience ; for as thou knowest He left His vicar, the Christ on earth, whom you are all obliged to obey until death, and whoever outside his obedience is in a state of damnation, as I have already told thee in another place. Now I wish thee to see and know this most excellent virtue in that humble and immaculate Lamb, and the source whence it proceeds. is


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What

caused the great obedience of the

which

He had

for

My

proceeded this love

?

honour and your salvation.

?

From

The love Whence

the clear vision with which

the divine essence and

His soul saw

Word

317

the

eternal Trinity,

thus always looking on Me, the eternal God. His fidelity ob tained this vision most perfectly for Him, which vision you imperfectly enjoy by the light of holy faith. He was faithful to Me, His eternal Father, and therefore hastened as one

enamoured along the road of obedience, lit up with the light And inasmuch as love cannot be alone, but is of glory. accompanied by all the true and royal virtues, because all He possessed them the virtues draw their life from love. in which you do. from that but in a different way all, is the marrow which Among the others he possessed patience, whether a soul be of obedience, and a demonstrative sign, love or not. Wherefore in a state of grace and truly charity, the mother of patience, has given her as a sister to obedience, and so closely united them together that one cannot be lost without the other. Either thou hast them both or thou hast neither.

This virtue has a nurse therefore a soul

who

feeds her, that

is,

obedient in proportion to her humility, and humble in proportion to her obedience. This humility is the foster-mother and nurse of charity,

true humility

;

is

and with the same milk she feeds the virtue of obedience. Her raiment given her by this nurse is self-contempt, and insult, desire to displease herself, and to please Me. Where In sweet Christ Jesus, My onlydoes she find this ? begotten Son. For who abased himself more than He did He was sated with insults, jibes, and mockings. He caused pain to Himself in His bodily life, in order to please Me. And who was more patient than He ? for His cry was never heard in murmuring, but He patiently embraced His injuries like one enamoured, fulfilling the obedience imposed on Him by Me, His Eternal Father. Wherefore in Him thou wilt !

He left you this which gives you life, for it is the He is straight way, having first observed them Himself. He was the Way, the Truth, the way, wherefore He said, For he who travels by that way, travels in and the Life.

find

obedience perfectly accomplished.

rule

and

this doctrine,

1


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the

CATHERINE

ST.

and being enlightened

cannot stumble, or be without perceiving it. For He has cast from Himself the darkness of self-love, by which he fell into dis light,

caused to

fall,

obedience ; for as I spoke to thee of a companion virtue proceeding from obedience and humility, so I tell you that disobedience comes from pride, which issues from self-love

The sister given by selfdepriving the soul of humility. love to disobedience is impatience, and pride, her fostermother, feeds her with the darkness of infidelity, so she hastens along the way of darkness, which leads her to eternal death.

All this

where you

book,

find

you should read described

in

that glorious

and every other

this

virtue."

CHAPTER CXXXVI. How obedience is the

key with which Heaven

is

opened, and

soul should fasten it by means of a cord to her girdle, excellences of obedience. "

Now

that

found, and

the

I have shown thee where obedience is to be whence she comes, and who is her companion,

and who her foster-mother, the

how

and of the

obedient

and

of

the

obedience in general, which

I

will

continue to speak of together, and of

disobedient is

the obedience of the pre

and in particular, which is that of the counsels. cepts The whole of your faith is founded upon obedience, for by it you prove your fidelity. You are all in general by My truth to obey the commandments of the law, the chief of which is to love Me above everything, and your neighbour as yourself, and the commandments are so bound up together, that you cannot observe or transgress one without ;

observing or principal

transgressing

all.

commandment observes

Me

He who all

observes

this

he is he loves Me and

the

others

;

and his neighbour, for is therefore obedient, becoming subject to and My the commandments of the law, and to creatures for My faithful

to

creature,


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sake, and with humble patience he endures every labour, and even his neighbour s detraction of him. This obedi

of such excellence that ye all derive grace from it, Wherefore just as from disobedience you all derive death. it is not enough that it should be only in word, and not

ence

is

I have already told you that this word practised by you. is the key which opens heaven, which key My Son placed This vicar placed it in the in the hands of His vicar.

hands of every one who receives holy baptism, promising therein to renounce the world and all its pomps and So that each man has in his own delights, and to obey. person that very same key which the Word had, and if a man does not unlock in the light of faith, and with the hand of love the gate of heaven by means of this key, he never will enter there, in spite of

its having been opened you without yourselves, I will not save you without yourselves. Wherefore you must take the key in your hand and walk by the doctrine of My Word, and not remain seated that is to say, placing your love in finite things, as do foolish men who follow the first man, their first father, following his example, and casting the

by the Word

;

for

though

key of obedience into the

I

created

mud

of impurity, breaking

it with with self-love. It would have been entirely destroyed had not My only begotten Son, the Word, come and taken this key of obedience in His

the

hammer

of pride, rusting

it

hands and purified it in the fire of divine love, having drawn it out of the mud, and cleansed it with His blood, and straightened it with the knife of justice, and hammered your

So

iniquities into

perfectly did

shape on the anvil of His own body. repair it that no matter how much a

He

man may have

spoilt his key by his free-will, by the self same free-will, assisted by My grace, he can repair it with the same instruments that were used by My Word. Oh !

blinder than the blind, for, having spoilt the key of obedi Dost thou think ence, thou dost not think of mending it !

forsooth that the disobedience which

Heaven

closed the door of

the pride which fell can rise ? Dost thou think to be admitted to the marriage feast in

foul

will

open

it

? that

and disordered garments?

Dost

thou

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down and binding thyself with the chain of mortal thou canst walk ? or that without a key thou canst sin, the Do not imagine that thou canst, for it is door ? open

sitting

a fantastical delusion

thou must be firm, thou must leave

;

mortal sin by a holy confession, contrition of heart, satis Then thou wilt throw faction, and purpose of amendment.

hideous and defiled garment and, clothed in the shining nuptial robe, wilt hasten, the key of obedience in But bind this key with the thy hand, to open the door. cord of self-contempt, and hatred of thyself and of the off that

world, and fasten it to the love of pleasing Me, Thy creator, of which thou shouldest make a girdle to thyself to bind thy loins with it, for fear thou lose it. Know, My

daughter, there are many who take up this key of obedi ence, having seen by the light of faith that in no other way can they escape eternal damnation ; but they hold it in their hand without wearing this girdle, or fastening the it with the cord of self-contempt, that is to say that, not perfectly clothed with My pleasure, but still are they seek to please themselves ; they do not wear the cord of

key

to

self-contempt, for they do not desire to be despised, but Such as these rather take delight in the praise of men. are apt to lose their key ; for if they suffer a little extra

mental or corporal tribulation, and if, as often hand of holy desire loosens its grasp, they will the happens, lose it. They can indeed find it again if they wish to fatigue, or

while they find it

?

it,

but

live,

and what

they do not wish they will never prove to them, that they have lost

if

will

Impatience, for patience

was united

to obedience,

and

their impatience proves that obedience does not dwell in Oh how sweet and glorious is this virtue, their soul. !

which contains all the rest, for she is conceived and born of charity, on her is founded the rock of the holy faith. She is a queen whose consort will feel no trouble, but only peace and quiet the waves of the stormy sea cannot hurt ;

nor can any tempest reach the interior of the soul in whom she dwells. Such a one feels no hatred when injured, because he wishes to obey the precept of forgive her,

ness, he suffers not

when

his appetites are

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because obedience has ordered him to desire Me alone, who can and will satisfy all his desires, if he strip himself

And so in of worldly riches. he who has too long to relate,

things which would be chosen as spouse Queen Obedience, the appointed key of heaven, finds peace and Oh blessed obedience thou voyagest without quiet. fatigue, and reachest without danger the port of salvation, all

!

!

thou art conformed to

My

only begotten Son,

the

Word,

thou boardest the ship of the holy cross, forcing thyself to endure, so as not to transgress the obedience of the Word, nor abandon His doctrine, of which thou makest a table

when thou

eatest the food of souls, dwelling in the love of thy neighbour, being anointed with true humility, which saves thee from coveting, contrary to will, his posses

My

sions, thou walkest erect, without bending, for thy heart is

sincere and not false, loving generously and truly creatures, thou art a sunrise drawing after thee the light of divine grace, thou art a sun which makes the earth, that is to say, the organs of the soul, to germinate with the

My

heat of charity, all of which as well as those of the body produce life-giving fruit for thyself and thy neighbour. Thou art even cheerful, for thy face is never wrinkled with impatience, but smooth and pleasant with the happiness of patience, and even in its fortitude thou art great by thy long endurance, so long that it reaches from earth to Thou art a hidden heaven and unlocks the celestial door. pearl,

to

all

trampled by the world, abasing thyself, submitting Yet thy kingdom is so great that no one

creatures.

can rule thee, for thou hast come out of the mortal servi tude of thy own sensuality, which destroyed thy dignity,

and having

own

slain this

enemy with hatred and

pleasure hast re-obtained thy

liberty."

dislike of thy


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CHAPTER CXXXVII. Here both the misery of the disobedient and the excellence of the obedient are spoken this,

of.

dearest daughter, has been done by

My good have told thee, for by My provi repaired the key of obedience, but worldly

ness and providence as

I

dence the Word men devoid of every virtue do the contrary, they, like unbridled horses, without the bit of obedience, go from bad to worse, from sin to sin, from misery to misery, from darkness to darkness, from death to death, until they finally reach the

edge of the ditch of death, gnawed by the of their conscience, and though it is true that they can obey the precepts of the law if they will, and have the

worm

time repenting of their disobedience, it is very hard for them to do so, on account of their long habit of sin. Therefore let no man trust to this, putting off his finding of the key of obedience to the

moment

of his death, for although every one may and should hope as long as he has life, he should not put such trust in this hope as to delay

What is the reason of all this, and of such repentance. blindness that prevents them recognising this treasure. The

cloud of self-love and wretched pride, through which they abandoned obedience, and fell into disobedience. Being disobedient they are impatient, as has been said, and

impatience endure intolerable pain, for it has seduced them from the way of Truth, leading them along a way of lies, making them slaves and friends of the devils with whom, unless indeed they amend themselves with

in their

patience, they will go to the eternal torments.

Contrari

beloved sons, obedient and observers of the law and exult in My eternal vision with the Immaculate rejoice humble and Lamb, the Maker, Fulfiller, and Giver of this wise,

My

law of obedience.

Observing

this

law

in

this

life

they

peace without any disturbance, they receive and clothe themselves in the most perfect peace, for there they possess every good without any evil, safety without any

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without any poverty, satiety without disgust,

hunger without pain, light without darkness, one supreme infinite good, shared by all those who taste it truly.

What

has placed them in so blessed a state

?

The blood

which the key of obedience has Lamb, by lost its rust, so that, by the virtue of the blood, it has been Oh fools and madmen, delay able to unlock the door. no longer to come out of the mud of impurity, for you seem like pigs to wallow in the mire of your own lust. virtue of

of the

!

Abandon

the injustice, murders, hatreds, rancours, detrac

murmurings, false judgments, and cruelty, with which use your neighbours, your thefts and treacheries, and you the disordinate pleasures and delights of the world ; tions,

cut off the horns

of pride, by which amputation

you

will

extinguish the hatred which is in your heart against your neighbours. Compare the injuries which you do to Me

and will

your neighbour with those done to you, and you see that those done to you are but trifles. You will to

see that remaining in hatred you injure Me by transgress ing My precept, and you also injure the object of your hate for you deprive him of your love, whereas you have been to love Me above everything, and your neigh bour as yourself. No gloss has been put upon these words as if it should have been said, if your neighbour injures you do not love him but they are to be taken naturally and simply, as they were said to you by My Truth, who Himself literally observed this rule. Literally also should you observe it, and if you do not you will injure your own

commanded

;

soul, depriving it of the life of grace. Take, oh ! take then, the key of obedience with the light of faith, walk no longer in such darkness or cold, but observe obedience in

the

fire

of love, so that ye

may

with the other observers of the

taste eternal life together law."


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CHAPTER CXXXVIII. Of those who have such

love for obedience that they do not remain content with the general obedience of precepts, but take on themselves a particular obedience.

THERE are some, sweet and amorous "

My fire

dearest daughter, in whom the of love towards obedience burns

so high (which fire of love cannot exist without hatred of self-love, so that when the fire increases so does this selfhatred), that they are not content to observe the precepts of the Law with a general obedience as you are all obliged to

do

have

and

not

death, but take upon particular obedience, following the greatest so that they become observers of the counsels perfection, Such as these wish to bind both in deed and in thought. if

you

will

life

themselves a

themselves more tightly through self-hatred, and in order to in everything their own will. They either place themselves under the yoke of obedience in holy religion, or, without entering religion, they bind themselves to some

restrain

creature,

submitting their will to his, so as more expedoor of Heaven. These are they,

ditiously to unlock the

have told thee, who have chosen the most perfect I have already spoken to thee of obedience in as I know it to be thy will that I should and general, to thee of this particular and most perfect obedience, speak I will now relate to thee somewhat of this second kind, which is not divided from the first, but is more perfect, for, as I have already told thee, these two kinds of obedience are so closely united together that they cannot be separ I have told thee where general obedience is to be ated. found and whence it proceeds, and the cause of its loss. as

I

obedience.

*Now

speak to thee of this particular obedience, not altering, however, the fundamental principle of the virtue." I

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How

a soul advances from general to particular obedience of the excellence of the religous orders.

THE

soul

who

;

and

with love has submitted to the yoke of

Commandments, following the doctrine of truth virtuously exercising herself, as has been said,

obedience, to the

My

in this general kind of

obedience will advance to the second

kind by means of the same light which brought her to the first, for by the light of the most holy faith she would

humble Lamb, My truth have for her, and her own fragility, which cannot respond to Me with due perfection. So she wanders, seeking by that light in what place and in what way she can pay her debt, trampling on her own fragility, and restraining her own will. Enlightened in her have

learnt, in the blood of the

the ineffable love which

I

search by faith, she finds the place namely, holy religion which has been founded by the Holy Spirit, appointed as the ship to receive souls who wish to hasten to perfection, The Captain and to bring them to the port of salvation. of this ship is the Holy Spirit, who never fails in Himself through the defects of any of His religious subjects who

may

transgress

the rule

of

the

order.

The

ship

itself

cannot be damaged, but only the offender. It is true that the mistake of the steersman may send her down into the billows, and these are wicked pastors and prelates ap The ship herself is so pointed by the Master of the ship. I say, then, delightful that thy tongue could not narrate it. that the soul, on fire with desire and a holy self-hatred,

having found her place by the light of faith, enters there as one dead, if she is truly obedient ; that is to say, if she And even if have perfectly observed general obedience. she should be imperfect when she enters, it does not follow

On the contrary, she herself in the virtue of obedience ; by exercising most of those There are who are enter indeed, imperfect. some who enter already in perfection, others in the child-

that she

attains

it

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hood of

virtue, others

through

ST.

fear,

CATHERINE others through penance,

others through allurements, everything depends on whether after they have entered they exercise themselves in virtue,

and persevere till death, for no true judgment can be made on a person s entrance into religion, but only on their perseverance, for many have appeared to be perfect who have afterwards turned back, or remained in the order with much imperfection, so that, as I have said, the act of entrance into this ship ordained by Me, who call ways, does not supply material for

different

men a

in

real

judgment, but only the love of those who persevere therein with true obedience. This ship is rich, so that there is no need for the subject to think about his necessities either temporal or spiritual, for if he is truly obedient, and observes his order, he will be provided for by his Master, who is the Holy Spirit, as I told thee when I spoke to

My providence, saying that though thy servants No more are might be poor, they were never beggars. these, for they find everything they need, and those who observe this order find this to be indeed true. Wherefore,

thee of

see that in the days when the religious orders lived virtu ously, blossoming with true poverty and fraternal charity, their temporal substance never failed them, but they had their needs demanded. But because the stench

more than of

self-love has entered

and

caused

each

to

keep his

possessions and to fail in obedience, their tem poral substance has failed, and the more they possess to the greater destitution do they come. It is just that even private

in the smallest matters they should experience the fruit of

disobedience, for had they been obedient and observed the vow of poverty, each would not have taken his own, and

See the riches of these holy rules, so privately. thoughtfully and luminously appointed by those who were See with what judgment temples of the Holy Spirit. Benedict ordered his ship see with what perfection and

lived

;

order of poverty Francis ordered his ship, decked with the pearls of virtue, steering it in the way of lofty perfection ,

to give his order for spouse, true and holy poverty, whom he had chosen for himself, embracing self-

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and self-hatred, not desiring to please any creature but only thy will ; desiring rather to be thought vile by the world, macerating his body and slaying his will,

contempt

clothing himself in insults, sufferings, and jibes, for love of he was fastened and nailed the humble Lamb, with

Whom

by love, so that by a singular grace there in his body the very wounds of thy Truth, show appeared of his body that which was in the love of in the vessel ing to the

cross

his soul, so he prepared the way. But thou wilt say, Are not "

all

the other religious

orders equally founded on this point ? Yes, but though are all founded on in no other is this the principal it, they as with the virtues, though all the virtues draw from charity, nevertheless, as I explained tothee in another place, one virtue belongs especially to one man, and another to another, and yet they all remain in charity, so with the principal foundation of the religious orders.

foundation their

;

life

Poverty belonged especially to My poor man Francis, who placed the principal foundation of his order in love for this poverty, and made it very strict for those who were perfect, I say few for the few and the good, not for the majority.

because they are not many who choose this perfection, though now through their sins they are multiplied in numbers and deficient in virtue, not through defect of the ship, but

Now look through disobedient subjects and wicked rulers. at the ship of thy father Dominic, My beloved son he it sons most that his should ordered perfectly, wishing apply themselves only to My honour and the salvation of souls, with the light of science, which light he laid as his :

principal foundation, not, however, on that account, being deprived of true and voluntary poverty, but having it also. And as a sign that he had it truly, and that the contrary

displeased him, he

left

as an heirloom to his sons his curse

and Mine,

if they should hold any possessions, either privately or in community, as a sign that he had chosen for his spouse Queen Poverty. But for his more immediate and personal object he took the light of science in order to

extirpate the

errors which

taking on him

the

office

had arisen of

My

in

his

only-begotten

time, thus

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Word. Rightly he appeared as an apostle in the world, and sowed the seed of My Word with much truth and He was a light, dissipating darkness and giving light. light which I gave the world by means of Mary, placed in the mystical body of the Holy Church as an extirpator of heresies. Why do I say by means of Mary ? Because Mary gave him his habit this office was committed to her At what table does he feed his sons by My goodness. At the table of the cross, which with the light of science ? is

the table of holy desire, when souls are eaten for My Dominic does not wish his sons to apply them

honour.

selves to anything, but remaining at this table, there to seek with the light of science, the glory and praise of name alone, and the salvation of souls. And in order that

My

they might do nothing else, he chose poverty for them, so It that they might not have the care of temporal things. true that some failed in faith, fearing that they would not be provided for, but he never. Being clothed in faith, and hoping with firm confidence in My providence. He

is

wishes his sons to observe obedience and do their duty, and since impure living obscures the eye of the intellect, and not only the eye of the intellect, but also of the body,

he does not wish them to obscure their physical light with which they may more perfectly obtain the light of science wherefore he imposed on them the third vow of continence, and wishes that all should observe it, with true and perfect

;

obedience,

although to-day

it

is

badly observed.

They

also prevent the light of science with the darkness of pride, not that this light can be darkened in itself, but only in their souls, for there, where pride is, can be no obedience.

have already told thee that a man s humility is in propor and his obedience to his humility, and similarly, when he transgresses the vow of obedience, it rarely happens that he does not also transgress the vow of continence, either in thought or deed so that he has rigged his ship with the three ropes of obedience, continence, and true poverty he made it a royal ship, not obliging his subjects under pain of mortal sin, and illuminated by Me the true light, he provided for those who should be less I

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though all who observe the order are perfect in one kind, yet possesses a higher degree of perfection than

perfect, for

another, yet all perfect or imperfect live well in this ship. He allied himself with My truth, showing that he did not

of a sinner, but rather that he should be con Wherefore his religion is a delightful verted and broad joyous and fragrant, but the wretches garden, the order, but transgress its vows, have not observe do who and defiled it with their scanty virtue a desert into it turned

desire the death

and

live.

and light of science, though they are nourished at its breast. I do not say that the order itself is in this condition, for it still possesses every delight, but in the beginning its sub and jects were not as they are now, but blooming flowers, to be another seemed Each men of great perfection. St. Paul, their

eyes so illuminated that the darkness of error

was dissipated by their glance. Look at My glorious Thomas, who gazed with the gentle eye of his intellect at Truth, whereby he acquired supernatural light and science infused by grace, for he obtained it rather by means

My

He was a brilliant light, of prayer than by human study. illuminating his order and the mystical body of the Holy Look at My Church, dissipating the clouds of heresy. Peter, virgin and martyr, who by his blood gave light among the darkness of many heresies, and the heretics hated him

so that at last they took his life yet while he lived he applied himself to nothing but prayer, preaching, and disput ation with heretics, hearing confessions, announcing the ;

without any fear, to such an extent that he not only confessed it in his life but even at the moment of his death, for when he was at the last ex

truth,

and spreading the

faith

tremity, having neither voice nor ink left, having received his death-blow, he dipped his finger in his blood, and this glorious martyr, having not paper on which to write, leaned

over, confessing the faith, and wrote the Credo on the ground. His heart burnt in the furnace of charity, so that he

My

never slackened his pace nor turned his head back, though he knew that he was to die, for I had revealed to him his death, but like a true knight he fearlessly came forth on to the battle-field

;

and

I

could

tell

thee the

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who though they did not actually experience martyr dom, were martyrs in will like Dominic great labourerswere these sent by My Father to labour in His vineyard

others,

;

to extirpate the thorns of vice, planting the virtues in their stead. Of a truth Dominic and Francis were two columns

of the holy Church. Francis with the poverty which was own, as has been said, and Dominic with his

specially his learning."

CHAPTER CXL. Of the

excellence of the obedient, and of the misery of the members of the religious orders.

disobedient

Now

that places suitable for obedience have been found r namely, these ships commanded by the Holy Spirit through the medium of their superiors, for, as I told thee, the Holy "

Spirit is the true

Master of these ships, which are

built in

the light of the most holy faith by those who have the light to know that My clemency, the Holy Spirit, will steer

them, and having thus its

I

will

shown thee

the place of obedience and obedience and of the

to thee of the

perfection, speak disobedience of those who travel in such a ship, speaking of all together and not of one ship that is, one order in particular,

showing thee the

sin of the disobedient

and the

virtue of the obedient, so that a man may better know the one by contrast with the other, and how he should walk if

he would enter the ship of a religious order. How should he walk who wishes to enter this state of perfect and par ticular obedience ? With the light of holy faith, by which he will know that he must slay his self-will with the knife of hatred of every sensual passion, taking the spouse which

The spouse is charity gives him, together with her sister. true and prompt obedience, and the sister, patience ; and he must also take the nurse of humility, for without this nurse obedience would perish of hunger, for obedience soon dies in a soul deprived of this little virtue of humility.


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Humility is not alone but has the handmaid of con tempt of self and of the world, which causes the soul to hold herself vile, and not to desire honour but shame. Thus dead to himself, should he who is old enough enter "

the ship of a religious order, but however he may enter it (for I have told thee that I call souls in diverse ways), he

should acquire and preserve this affection, hurrying gene rously to seize the key of the obedience of his order, which

door which is in the panel of the door Such as these have undertaken to open the little door, doing without the great key of general obedience, which opens the door of Heaven, as I have said to thee. They have taken a little key, passing through a low and narrow opening in the great door. This small door is part will

open the

little

of Heaven.

of the great door, as thou mayest see in any real door. They should keep this key when they have got it, and not throw it away. And because the truly obedient have seen

with the light of faith that they will never be able to pass through this little door with the load of their riches and the

own

will without great fatigue and without that they cannot walk with head erect and life, without breaking their neck, whether they wish to or not, they cast from them the load of their riches, and of their

weight of their losing their

own

will

observing the

vow

of voluntary poverty, refusing by the light of faith to

to possess anything, for they see

what ruin they would come if they transgressed obedience, and the vow of poverty which they promised to keep. The disobedient walk in pride, holding their heads erect, and if sometimes it suits their convenience to obey they do not incline their heads with humility, but proudly do so, because they must, which force breaks the neck of their will,

for

they

fulfil

their obedience with hatred

of

their

and of their superior. Little by little they are ruined on another point, for they transgress the vow of continence, for he who does not constrain his appetite or order

strip himself of temporal substance

makes many

relations

and finds plenty of friends who love him for their own From these relations they go on to close intimacies, profit. their body they tend luxuriously, for being without either


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the nurse of humility or her sister, self-contempt, they live in their own pleasure richly and delicately, not like religious

but

like

nobles,

without

watching or prayer.

This and

many other things happen to them because they have money to spend, for if they had it not they could not spend it. They fall into mental and physical impurity, for if sometimes

from

shame or through

lack

of

means they

abstain physically, they indulge themselves mentally, for it is impossible for a man with many worldly relations, of delicate habits and disordinate greediness, who watches not nor prays, to preserve his mind pure. Wherefore the per fectly obedient man sees from afar with the light of holy faith the evil and the loss which would come to him from temporal possessions and from walking weighed down by his own will he also sees that he is obliged to pass by this narrow door, and that in such a state he would die ;

he would be able to pass

having no key of said to thee, he is Wherefore it is that whether obliged to pass through it. he will or no he should not leave the the ship of the order, but should walk the narrow path of obedience to his before

obedience wherewith to open

it,

it,

for as

I

superior. "

Wherefore the perfectly obedient man rises above and his own sensuality, and rising above his

himself

own

feelings with living faith, places self-hatred as servant house of his soul to drive out the enemy of self-love,

in the

for he does not wish that his spouse, Obedience, given him with the light of faith by her mother, Chanty, should be offended so he drives out the enemy and puts in his place the nurse and companions of his spouse. ;

The love of obedience places in the house of his soul the lovers of his spouse, Obedience, who are the true and royal virtues, the customs and observances of his order, so "

sweet spouse enters his soul with and her nurse, Humility, together contempt and Self-hatred, and when she has possesses peace and quiet, for her enemies that

this

Patience,

She dwells

her with

sister,

Self-

entered she

have

been

garden of true continence, with the sun of intellectual light shining in, the eye of holy faith

exiled.

in the


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truth, for

her object

333 is

My

truth,

which she observes the rules of* the order, warms all her servants and companions. Who are her enemies who have been expelled? The "

producing pride, the enemy of humility

chief is self-love,

and

Impatience

charity.

disobedience

of

is

the

enemy

of

patience,

obedience, infidelity of faith, pre sumption and self-confidence do not accord with the true hope which the soul should have in Me ; injustice cannot true

be conformed to

justice, nor imprudence to prudence, nor intemperance to temperance, nor the transgression of the commandments of the order to perfect observance of them nor the wicked conversation of those who live in sin to the r

good conversation of enemies, causing him tions of his order.

My

He

These are a man s good customs and tradi

servants.

to leave the

has also those other cruel enemies,

anger, which wars against his benevolence

kindness

his

;

cruelty, against

wrath, against his benignity ; hatred of against the love of virtue ; impurity, against

virtue,

chastity

;

;

negligence, against solicitude

;

ignorance, against

knowledge, and sloth against watchfulness and continued prayer.

And

knew by the light of faith that all these enemies who would defile his spouse, holy obedience, he appointed hatred to drive them out, and love to replace them with her friends. Wherefore with the knife of hatred he slew his perverse self-will, who, nourished by self-love, gave life to all these enemies of "

were

since he

his

true obedience, and having cut off the source by which all others are preserved in life, he remains free and in

the

peace without any war, for there is no one to make war on him, for the soul has cut of from herself that which kept her in bitterness and in sadness. What makes war on obedience ?

Injuries ?

No,

for

the

obedient

man

is

The weight patient, patience being the sister of obedience. of the observances of the order ? for obedience No, causes him to

fulfil them. Does the weight of obedience him ? for he has trampled on his own will, give pain No, and does not care to examine or judge the will of his


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superior, for with the light of faith he sees

My

will in

him,

believing truly that My clemency causes him to command Is he according to the needs of his subject s salvation. disgusted and angry at having to perform the humble duties

of the order or to endure the mockeries, reproofs, jibes, and insults which are often cast at him, or to be held at little

worth ? No, for he has conceived love for self-contempt Wherefore he rejoices with patience, and self-hatred. exulting with delight and joy in the company of his spouse true obedience, for the only thing which saddens him is to His conversation is with see Me, his Creator, offended. those who truly fear Me, and if he should converse with those who are separated from My Will, it is not in order to conform himself to their sins, but to draw them out of their misery, for through the brotherly love which he has in his heart towards them he would like to give them the good which he possesses, seeing that more glory and praise would be given to My name by many observing aright Wherefore he their order than by him doing so alone. endeavours to convert religious and seculars by his words and by prayer, and by every means by which he can draw them out of the darkness of mortal sin. Thus the conversations of a truly obedient man are good and perfect, whether they be with just men or with sinners, through his Of rightly ordered love and the breadth of his charity. his cell he makes a heaven, delighting there to converse with Me, his supreme and eternal Father, with the affection of love, flying idleness with humble and continual prayer, and when, through the illusion of the Devil, thoughts come crowding into his cell, he does not sit down on the bed of negligence embracing idleness, nor care to examine by reason the thoughts or opinions of his heart, but he flies sloth, rising above himself and his senses with hatred and true humility, patiently enduring the weariness which he feels in his mind, and resisting by watching and humble prayer, fixing the eye of his intellect on Me, and seeing with the light of faith that I am his helper, and both can and will help him, and open to him the eyes of My kind ness, and that it is I who permit this suffering in order


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eager to fly himself and come to Me. seem to him that on account of his great And if it should of his mind, mental prayer is darkness the weariness and

that he

may be more

impossible, he recites vocal prayers, or busies himself with some corporal exercises, so that by these means he may

looks at Me with the light which I give which draws forth true humility, for he him through love, of the peace and quiet of mind of deems himself unworthy but rather worthy of pain, for he My other servants, mind with hatred and selfdespises himself in his own reproach, thinking that he can never endure enough pain,

avoid idleness.

He

hope nor My providence fail him, but with and the key of obedience he passes over this stormy sea in the ship of his order, dwelling thus in his cell as has been said, and avoiding idleness. The obedient man wishes to be the first to enter choir and the last to leave it, and when he sees a brother more obedient than himself he regards him in his eagerness with a holy envy, stealing from him the virtue in which he excels, not wishing, however, that his brother should have less thereof, for if he wished this he would be separated The obedient man does not leave the from brotherly love. refectory, but visits it continually and delights at being at And as a sign that he delights table with the poor. therein, and so as to have no reason to remain without, he has abandoned his temporal substance, observing so per fectly the vow of poverty that he blames himself for His cell is considering even the necessities of his body. full of the odour of poverty, and not of clothes he has no for neither his faith

"

;

fear

that

moths

thieves will

to rob

him, or that rust or

garments and if anything is given he does not think of laying it by for his own use,

will corrupt his

to him,

come

;

but freely shares it with his brethren, not thinking of the morrow, but rather depriving himself to-day of what he needs, thinking only of the kingdom of heaven and how he

may

best observe true obedience.

"And

in order that

he may better keep to the path of

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The obedient man does not wish with charity. his obedience in his own way, or to choose his

all

to fulfil

time or place, but prefers the superior.

All this the truly

of his order and of his and perfectly obedient man

way

He passes with does without pain and weariness of mind. this key in his hand through the narrow door of the order, easily and without violence, because he observes the vows of poverty, true obedience, and continence, having abandoned the heights of pride, and bowed his head to obedience

He

through humility.

does not break his neck through

impatience, but is patient with fortitude and enduring perse Thus he passes by the verance, the friends of obedience. assaults of the devils, mortifying

and macerating

his

flesh,

stripping it bare of all pleasures and delights and clothing it with the labours of the order in a faith which despises nothing, for as a child who does not remember the blows

and

on him by his father, so this child of remember the injuries, pains, or blows

injuries inflicted

the spirit does not

on him by his superior in the order, but calling him humbly, turns to him without without anger, hatred, or rancour, but with meekness and benevolence. These are those little ones of whom My Truth spoke to the disciples, who were contending among themselves which of them should be the greater, for calling a child, He Allow the little ones to come to Me, for of such is the said inflicted

"

:

whoever will not humble himself like keep this childlike condition), For he who humbles shall not enter the kingdom of heaven.

kingdom of heaven this child (that

is,

to be ;

who

will not

himself, dearest daughter, will be exalted, and he who exalts himself will be humbled, which also was said to you by

My Truth. Justly, therefore, are these humble little ones, humiliated and subjected through love, with true and holy obedience, who do not kick against the pricks of their order or superior, exalted by Me, the supreme and eternal Father, with the true citizens of the blessed

rewarded

for all their labours,

taste eternal

life."

and

life,

when they

in this life

are

also do they


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the truly obedient receive a hundredfold for one, and also

eternal

life

;

and what

is

meant by

this one,

and

this

hundred

fold.

"

IN them

Word,

the saying of the sweet and amorous only-begotten Son, in the gospel when He

is fulfilled

My

Master, we have left everything replied to Peter s demand, and love s have sake, followed Thee, what wilt Thou for thy truth replied, / will give you a hundred shall possess eternal life? As if

give us ?

My

fold for one,

and you

My

Truth had wished to say, Thou hast done in no other way couldest thou follow Me. "

life,

will give thee a hundredfold

for

one.

well, Peter, for

And I, in this And what is

hundredfold, beloved daughter, besides which the To what did My Truth apostle obtained eternal life ?

this

refer?

To

temporal substance?

Do I not, however often cause Properly speaking, no. In one who gives alms to multiply in temporal goods ? In return for the gift of his return for what do I this ? own will. This is the one for which I repay him a "

What is the meaning of the number a hundred ? A hundred is a perfect number, and cannot be So added to except by recommencing from the first. the most is of all the so virtues, perfect charity perfect that no higher virtue can be attained, except by re commencing at the beginning of self-knowledge, and thus hundredfold.

increasing

many hundredfold

necessarily arrive at the

in

merit

;

but

number one hundred.

you always This

is

that

given given Me in both will, general obedience, and in the particular obedience of the religious life. And in

hundredfold which the unit of their

to those

is

own

addition to this hundred charity

alone

who have

enters

you

into

also possess eternal

eternal

bringing with her the fruit of

life,

like

a

life,

for

mistress

the other virtues, while remain their outside, bringing fruit, I say, into Me, the they eternal life, in whom the obedient taste eternal life. It is all


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not by faith that they taste eternal life, for they experience in its essence that which they have believed through faith ;

nor by hope, for they possess that for which they had hoped, and so with all the other virtues, Queen Charity alone enters and possesses Me, her possessor. See, there fore, that these little ones receive a hundredfold for one, and also eternal life, for here they receive the fire of divine charity figured by the number a hundred (as has been And because they have received this hundredfold said). from Me, they possess a wonderful and hearty joy, for there is no sadness in charity, but the joy of it makes the heart large and generous, not narrow or double. A soul wounded by this sweet arrow does not appear one thing in face and tongue while her heart is different. She does not act towards or her with serve, neighbour dissembling and because is an book to be read by ambition, charity open Wherefore the soul who possesses charity never all. falls into trouble, or the affliction of sadness, or jars with obedience, but remains obedient until death."

CHAPTER

CXLII.

Of the perversities, miseries, and labours of the disobedient man and of the miserable fruits which proceed from disobedience.

;

CONTRARIWISE, a wicked disobedient man dwells in the ship of a religious order with so much pain to himself and others, that in this life he tastes the earnest of hell, he remains always in sadness and confusion of mind, tormented by the sting of conscience, with hatred of his order and superior, insupportable to himself. What a terrible thing it is, My daughter, to see one who has once taken the key of obedience of a religious order, living in disobedience, to which he has made himself a slave, for of disobedience he has made his mistress with her companion impatience, nourished by pride, and his own pleasure, which pride (as has been said) issues from self-love. For "


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him everything is the contrary to what it would be for For how can this wretch be in any other the obedient man. than suffering, for he

state

deprived of charity, he

is

force to incline the neck of his

obliged by

own

will,

is

and

pride keeps it erect, all his desires are in discord with the The order commands obedience, and he will of the order. loves disobedience

and he

avoids

it,

commands

order

lewdness.

commands voluntary poverty, possessing and acquiring riches ; the continence and purity, and he desires ;

the order

By transgressing

these three vows, My daughter, falls into so many miseries,

a religious comes to ruin, and

that his aspect is no longer that of a religious but of an incarnate devil, as in another place I related to thee at

greater length.

I will,

however,

tell

thee something

now

their delusion, and of the fruit which they obtained disobedience to the commendation and exhortation

This wretched

obedience.

man

because the eye of his intellect

is

is

of

by of

deluded by his self-love, fixed, with a dead faith,

his self-will, and on things of the world. He left the world in body, but remained there in his affections,

on pleasing

and because obedience seems wearisome

to

him he wishes

to disobey in order to avoid weariness ; whereby he arrives at the greatest weariness of all, for he is obliged to obey

by force or by love, and it would have been better wearisome to have obeyed by love than without it. how deluded he is, and no one else deceives him but

either

and

Oh

less !

Wishing to please himself he only gives himself displeasure, for the actions which he will have to do, through the obedience imposed on him, do not please him.

himself.

He wishes to enjoy delights and make this life his eternity, but the order wishes him to be a pilgrim, and continually it to him ; for when he is in a nice pleasant resting where he would like to remain for the pleasures and delights he finds there, he is transferred elsewhere, and the change gives him pain, for his will was active against his obedience, and yet he is obliged to endure the discipline and labours of the order, and thus remains in continual

proves place,

torment.

wishing to

See, therefore, fly pain,

how he

deludes

he on the contrary

himself

falls into

it,

;

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let him know the road of true obedience, a road of truth founded by the obedient Lamb, only -begotten Son, who removed pain from it, so that

blindness does not

which

My

is

he walks by the road of

lies, believing that he will find delight there, but finding on the contrary pain and bitter is his guide ? ness. Self-love, that is his own

Who

passion for disobedience.

Such

a

man

thinks like a fool

to navigate this tempestuous sea, with the strength of his own arms, trusting in his own miserable knowledge, and it in the arms of his order, and of his Such a one is indeed in the ship of the order in body, and not in mind ; he has quitted it in desire, not

will not navigate

superior.

observing the regulations or customs of the order, nor the three vows which he promised to observe at the time of his profession

;

he swims

in the

tempestuous

sea, tossed to

and

by contrary winds, fastened only to the ship by his clothes, wearing the religious habit on his body but not on his heart. Such a one is no friar, but a masquerader, His life is lower than an a man only in appearance. animal s, and he does not see that he labours more swim fro

his arms, than the good religious in the ship, or that he is in danger of eternal death ; for if his clothes should be suddenly torn from the ship, which will happen

ming with

at the

moment

does not

No, he he has darkened his light with the cloud whence has come his disobedience, which of death, he will have no remedy.

see, for

of self-love,

prevents him seeing his misery, wherefore he miserably deceives himself. What fruit is produced by this wretched

tree? "The

fruit

of death, because the root of his affection is

which he has drawn from self-love. Wherefore everything that issues from this root flowers, is corrupt, and the three boughs of this leaves, and fruit tree, which are obedience, poverty, and continence, which planted

in

pride,

spring from the foot of the tree ; that is, his affections are The leaves produced by this tree, which are

corrupted.

his words, are so corrupt that they would be out of place mouth of a ribald secular ; and if he have to preach

in the

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one who should feed souls with the seed of

My Word,

Look at the stinking flowers but with eloquent language. of this tree, which are his diverse and various thoughts, which he voluntarily welcomes with delight and pleasure, not flying the occasions of them, but rather seeking them in order to be able to accomplish a sinful act, the which is the fruit which kills him, depriving him of the light of And what stench grace, and giving him eternal death. comes from this fruit, sprung from the flowers of the tree ?

The stench

of disobedience, for, in the secret of his heart,

he wishes to examine and judge unfaithfully his superior s will a stench of impurity, for he takes delight in many ;

wretchedly tempting his penitents. that thou art, dost thou not see that under the

foul conversations, "

Wretch

colour of devotion thou concealest a troop of children ? This comes from thy disobedience. Thou hast not chosen the virtues for thy children as does the truly obedient religious ; thou strivest to deceive thy superior when thou seest that he denies thee something which thy perverse

using the leaves of smooth or rough words, Thou canst not speaking irreverently and reproving him. endure thy brother, nor even the smallest word and reproof will desires,

which he may make to

thee, but

in

such a case thou im

mediately bringest forth the poisoned fruit of anger and hatred against him, judging that to be done to thy hurt

which was done for thy good, and thus taking scandal, thy soul and body living in pain. Why has thy brother Because thou livest for thy own sensual displeased thee ? pleasure, thou fliest thy cell as

if it

were a prison,

for

thou

of self-knowledge, and thus fallen into disobedience, wherefore thou canst not remain in thy material cell. Thou wilt not appear in the refectory against hast abandoned the

cell

thy will whilst thou hast anything to spend hast nothing left necessity takes thee there. "

;

when thou

Therefore the obedient have done well, who have chosen vow of poverty, so that they have nothing

to observe their

to spend, and therefore are not led away from the sweet table of the refectory, where obedience nourishes both body

and soul

in peace

and

quiet.

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not think of laying a table, or of providing food for himself like this wretched man, to whose taste it is painful to eat in the refectory, wherefore he avoids it ; he is always the last to enter the choir, and the first to leave it ; with his lips he approaches Me, with his heart he is far from Me.

He

gladly escapes from through fear of penance.

he he

is

the

chapter-house when he can he is obliged to be there,

When

covered with shame and confusion for the faults which

What is the cause of this ? does not watch in prayer, and not only does he omit mental prayer, but even the Divine office to He has no fraternal charity, because which he is obliged. no shame

felt it

Disobedience.

to commit.

He

he loves no one but himself, and that not with a reasonable but with a bestial love. So great are the evils which fall on the disobedient ; so many are the fruits of sorrow which he produces, that thy tongue could not relate them. Oh ! the soul of which the of obedi disobedience, deprives light Disobedience ence, destroying peace, and giving war and life the destroys gives death, drawing religious out of the ship of the observance of his order, to drown him in the sea, making him swim in the strength of his own arms, and not repose on those of the order. Disobedience clothes !

him with every misery, causes him to die of hunger, taking away from him the food of the merit of obedience, it gives him continual bitterness, depriving him of every sweetness and good, causing him to dwell with every evil. In this life it gives him the earnest of cruel torments to endure, and if he do not amend before his clothes are loosened from the ship at death, disobedience will lead the soul to eternal damnation, together with the devils who fell from heaven,

because they rebelled against Me. In the same way hast oh disobedient rebelled thou, man, having against obedi ence and cast from thee the key which would have opened the door of heaven, opened instead the door of hell with the !

key of

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of those who live tepidly in religion, because they guard against mortal sin only and of the remedy by which they can be cured of their tepidity.

Of the imperfection

;

"

How many

are

these,

dearest

who

live

thus

few of the opposite

sort,

daughter,

to-day in this ship ? "

Many,

for

there

are

but

who are truly obedient. There are, however, between those who are perfect and these wretches, a goodly number of those who live in an ordinary way in that is to say,

order, neither perfectly as they ought, nor wickedly ; preserving, that is to say, their conscience in that they do not sin mortally, but living in tepidity and coldness of heart. their

Wherefore, if these do not exercise themselves a little in the observance of the order, they are in great danger, and stand in need of much watchfulness, and of being roused from their tepidity, for if they remain as they are they are very apt to fall, and even if they do not fall, they live according to their own choice and human pleasure, under colour of a religious life, studying rather to observe the ceremonies of the order, than the order itself so that often through their scanty light they will be disposed to judge those who observe the order more perfectly than they do, though fulfilling the ceremonies to which they are so devoted with less perfection. Wherefore, in every way it is dangerous for them to remain in this commonplace obedience for they coldly fulfil their obediences with much ;

labour and pain, because to a cold heart

it is wearisome to endure anything, and however much they may endure, they have but little fruit of it. They offend against their own perfection on which they have entered, and which they are bound to observe, and although they do less evil than those others of whom I have spoken to thee, they yet do evil. For they did not leave the world to content themselves with the key of obedience in general, but in order to unlock the door of Heaven with the special key of the obedience of


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their order, which should be fastened with the cord of selfcontempt to the girdle of humility, as has been said, and

Thou must know,

held tightly in the hand of burning love. dearest daughter, that these are indeed

to reach great perfection if they choose, because they are nearer to it than those other wretches, but in another sense it is harder to fit

their imperfections, than the wicked man Dost thou know why ? Because the sinner he does evil, and his conscience shows knows clearly that it him, and self-love which has weakened him is the reason why he does not struggle to abandon the sin which he sees Wherefore if you ask to be evil, with a natural light. a one Dost it such thou not know to be evil to do this ?

raise

them from

from his

He

sin.

will reply

Yes, but so great

not seem able to escape from with My help he can escape

it.

is

my

It is

fragility that I

do

not indeed true, for

he wish nevertheless, he knows that he is doing wrong, which knowledge renders it easy for him to abandon his sin, if he really wills to do so. But these tepid ones who neither do much harm nor much good do not recognise their state of obedience, nor how uncertain is their position not knowing it they take no pains to rise from it nor do they care to have it pointed out to them, and indeed, even when it is shown them, they remain bound by the chain of habit and custom through the if

;

;

coldness of their heart.

from

their condition ?

How shall they be made to rise Let them take self-knowledge and

own

pleasure and reputation and place them of My divine charity, betrothing them selves afresh, as they did when they entered the order, to the spouse of true obedience with the ring of holy faith,

hatred of their

as fuel on the

fire

and let them no longer sleep in that state which is very Rightly can displeasing to Me and dangerous to them. the word be said to them, Be accursed, ye who are luke

warm

;

if only ye were altogether cold ; if ye do not amend, I mouth. And how will this happen ? you out of

My

will vomit

In the

way which

they are apt to

I

fall,

have told thee, for if they do not rise and if they fall they will be reprobated

would prefer that they should be as ice, that is to say, that they should have remained in the world under

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general obedience, which is, as it were, a block of ice, Wherefore compared with the fire of the truly obedient. I have explained the words I said, If only you were cold. to thee in order that thou mightest not fall into the error of

thinking that

I

would rather

a

that

man

should be in the

ice of mortal sin, than in the tepidity of imperfection. No, it is not possible for Me to wish any man to be in sin, for

the poison of sin has no place in Me ; on the contrary, sin displeased Me so much in man, that I did not let it pass

without punishment, and since man was not sufficient to I rent the Word endure the pain due to his sin My only and He obediently worked out this pain in begotten Son, Let them arise therefore and exercise His own body. themselves in watching and humble and continual prayer let them look at their order, and on their founders who were men as they are, fed by the same food, bound in the same My Power way, and having the same God then as now. has not grown weak My will desires your salvation no less than theirs My wisdom has not grown dim, but still illuminates you, so that you may know My truth. There ;

;

fore they can rise if they will if, that is to say they will the their state before of their intellect, piercing eye place

the cloud of

self-love,

and running

in the light with those

who

are perfectly obedient. In this way they will join them, but in no other so this is their remedy."

CHAPTER

CXLIV.

Of the excellence of obedience, and brings to him who truly 4

i

THIS

is

of the advantages lays hold of it.

which

it

the true remedy, possessed by the really obedient the virtue of it every day, increasing

man, who renews

obedience with the light of faith, longing for insults and mockery, that heavy labours should be imposed on him by his superior for the virtue of obedience, and of her sister patience not to

grow

rusty.

So

that

when

the time comes


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that they are needed, they never fail or become difficult to exercise, wherefore the obedient man is continually sounding

the instrument of his desire, and lets no opportunity pass, so great is his appetite for obedience. Obedience is an

eager

spouse

who does

not wish

to

remain

idle.

Oh

!

Oh ! pleasant Oh ! sweet ! Oh t delightful obedience ! illuminative For thou hast scattered the darkness of !

!

Thou, oh

self-love.

grace to the soul, his own Thou art

!

vivifying obedience, givest the

who has chosen

life

of

thee for spouse, slaying and death to the soul.

will, which brings war so generous that thou subjectest thyself to every

Thou art benignant and kind, and the greatest weights, for thou art accom panied by fortitude and true patience. Thou art crowned with true perseverance, thou dost not fail through the importunity rational

creature.

meekly bearest

of thy superior on account of the heavy loads which he indis creetly may impose upon thee, but with the light of faith

endurest everything. Thou art so closely bound to humility that no creature can snatch thee from the hand of the soul holy desire) who possesses thee. more can we say, dearest and beloved daughter, of this most excellent virtue ? will say that it is a good

(which

is

"What

We

without any admixture of evil that it remains hidden in the ship so that no contrary wind may hurt it, that it causes the soul to advance leaning on the arms of the order

and of her superior, and not on her own, because the truly obedient man has not to give an account of himself to Me his superior has that responsibility. "

Become enamoured, oh beloved daughter, of this Dost thou wish to show gratitude for the

virtue.

glorious benefits

which thou hast received from Me, thy Eternal Father? Be obedient, for obedience proceeding from charity shows It will prove to thee thy own gratitude, if thou gratitude. art not ignorant, because it proceeds from knowledge of It is a good which can be seen in the example of truth.

My

who as your model taught you the way of obedience, being obedient Himself unto the shameful death of the Cross, with which obedience He unlocked the Gate the word,

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particular obedience of religion, as I related to thee at the This obedience beginning of this treatise of obedience.

gives

a light in the soul, which shows whether she is Me and her order and superior, in which light of

faithful to

holy faith she forgets herself; for, by the obedience which she has acquired through the light of faith, she shows that

her will

is

dead to

its

own

feeling,

and seeks the advantage

Just as the disobedient man who examines the will of his superior, and judges it accord ing to his own low opinion and darkened knowledge instead of judging his own perverse will, which gives him death, of others and not her own.

the truly obedient man, illuminated by faith, judges the will of his superior to be good, and therefore does not examine head and nourishes his soul with the it, but inclines his

odour of true and holy obedience.

And

this virtue increases

in the soul in proportion to the shining of the light of faith,

with which the soul knows herself, and Me, whom she loves, and humbles herself ; and the more she loves Me and

humbles

herself, the more obedient she becomes, for obedience and her sister patience prove whether the soul is in truth clothed with the nuptial garment of charity, which

In this way their necessary to enter into eternal life. obedience opens the door of Heaven, while Charity, who

is

gave this key to the soul, enters with the fruit of obedience. I have told thee that Charity alone enters, while every other virtue remains without. But obedience is rightly the key which opens the door, because the disobedience of the first man closed it, and it was the obedience of the humble, that faithful, immaculate Lamb, My only-begotten Son, opened the door of eternal life, which had so long remained closed.


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CHAPTER CXLV. A

distinction religious,

between two kinds of obedience the one that of and the other that paid to any secular person. ;

I have said to thee, He left this sweet obedience as His rule and doctrine, giving it to you as the key to open He left it by the door by which you reach your end. command in the case of general obedience, and by counsel for those of you who should wish to advance to great per fection and pass through the narrow door of religious life. And there are also those who belong to no religious order, and yet are in the ship of perfection. Such as these observe

"As

the perfection of the counsels, outside religion, having re nounced the riches and pomps of the world, both in fact and in thought, and observing continence, some in the virginal state

and some without

virginity.

They observe

obedience, submitting, as I told thee in another place, to some creature whom they strive to obey perfectly until

And if who dwell

death.

thou shouldest ask

Me

whether these or

they religious order have greater merit, I should reply that the merit of obedience is not measured according to the act or place, as being greater when per in a

formed by a good man than by a bad man, or by a secular than by a religious, but according to the measure of love of him who obeys for to a truly obedient man the imperfec tion of a wicked superior does no harm ; rather it sometimes profits him, because through the persecutions and unwiselygiven weight of a too heavy obedience he may acquire both the virtue of obedience and her sister patience. Nor does ;

the imperfection of the place hurt him.

I

"

say

imperfec

more perfect, firm, and stable than any other condition of life. Wherefore the place of those who

tion,"

for religion is

hold the

little

key of obedience, observing the counsels out

side a religious order, I indeed call imperfect, but not so their obedience, which is of no less merit ; because all obedi

ence, as has been said, and every other virtue, is measured by the degree of love. It is indeed true that in many other


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ways, both by the vow which is made to the superior, and also because a religious has more to endure, obedience is better proved in religion than in the world, because in religion every action of the body is bound to this yoke, from which a man cannot free himself when he wishes without mortal sin, because of his vow and the sanction of the holy But these others are not in the same condition. Church.

They

bound voluntarily by the love which they have solemn vow. Wherefore they

are

for obedience, but not with a

can leave the obedience of any mortal creature without mortal sin, if they have legitimate reasons, though their own for if they leave their obedience defects are not such their own defects, they would not do so without a through not incur mortal sin in the would grave fault, though they ;

Dost thou know the difference sense of the word. between these two ? This man is like one who should take back what he has

strict

"

given his neighbour through love without any intention of asking for it again, but without having made an agreement while the religious gives himself and draws ; the agreement of his profession, abandoning himself to up the hands of his superior and promising to observe obedi

to that effect

ence, continence, and voluntary poverty, and the superior on his side promises him eternal life if he observe his vow until

his is

religion

death.

more

observance, place, and manner, perfect, and obedience in the world less In

perfect. In the former a man is safer, and if he fall is more likely to rise, because he has more help ; and the latter is

more doubtful and

less secure,

and a man

is

more

likely if

turn his face backwards, because he does not feel himself bound by a vow, like a religious before he is pro fessed ; for until profession he can leave the order, though

he

fall to

afterwards he cannot. thee, is

given

But merit, as

to the truly

obedient

I

said and repeat to according to the

man

measure of his love and he may obtain perfect merit in One man I call any state, for it is founded on love alone. to one state, and another to another, according to the fitness ;

of each;

but

measure

so that

;

all

filled with love according to their a particular secular loves more than a

are if


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a par particular religious he receives more, and the same he love more than a particular secular

ticular religious if

and

this is true for all other

men."

CHAPTER CLXVI. How God

does not reward merit according to the labour of the obe

dient, nor according to the length of time which it takes, but according to the love and promptitude of the truly obedient ; and of the miracles which God has performed by means of this vir

tue ; and of discretion in obedience, and of the works and reward of the truly obedient man. I HAVE appointed you all to labour in the vineyard of obedience in different ways, and every man will receive a "

price, according to the measure of his love, and not accord ing to the work he does, or the length of time for which he

works, that is to say, that he who comes early will not have more than he who comes late, as My Truth told you in the holy gospel by the example of those who were standing idle and were sent by the lord of the vineyard to labour ; for he gave as much to those who went at dawn, ,as to those who went at prime or at tierce, and those who went at sext, at none, and even at vespers, received as much as the first. My Truth showing you in this way that you .are rewarded not according to time or work, but according to the measure of your love. Many are placed in their childhood to

and others

work

in old

in the vineyard

age

;

;

some enter

sometimes these

latter

later in life,

labour with

of love, seeing the shortness of the time, that they who entered in their childhood, because they those rejoin have advanced but slowly. By love of obedience then,

such

fire

does the soul receive her merit,

filling

the vessel of her

There are many whose obe heart in Me, the Sea Pacific. dience is so prompt, and has become, as it were, so incarnate in them, that not only do they wish to see reason in what is

ordered them by their superior, but they hardly wait until word is out of his mouth, for with the light of faith

;the


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Wherefore the truly obe they understand his intention. dient man obeys rather the intention than the word, judging that the will of his superior is fixed in My will, and that therefore his command comes from My dispensation, and from My will, wherefore I say to thee that he rather obeys

He also obeys the word, obeyed in affection his superior s will, seeing and judging it by the light of faith to be Mine. This is well shown in the lives of the fathers, where you read of a religious, who at once obej ed in his affection the

the intention than the word.

having

first

command

spiritually

of his superior, commencing to write the letter

o,

though he had not space to finish it wherefore to show how pleasing his prompt obedience was to Me, My clemency gave him a proof by writing the other half of the letter in gold. This glorious virtue is so pleasing to Me, that to no other have I given so many miraculous signs and testimonies, for it proceeds from the height of faith. ;

"

In order to

show how pleasing

it

is to

Me, the earth

water grows solid animals obey it And as for the the obedient man.

virtue, the

obeys this under the

feet

of

obedience of the earth, thou rememberest having read of that disciple who, being given a dry stick by his abbot, and being ordered by obedience to plant it in the earth and water it every day, did not proceed to ask how could it

possibly do

possibilities,

he

any good, fulfilled his

but,

without

inquiring

about

obedience in such virtue of faith

that the dry wood brought forth leaves and fruits, as a sign that that soul had risen from the dryness of disobedience, and, covered by the green leaves of virtue, had brought forth the fruit of obedience, wherefore the fruit of this tree

was

called

Thou for

by the

wilt also

holy fathers the fruit of obedience. animals obey the obedient man ;

find that

commanded by obedience, through and virtue caught a dragon and brought it to his

a certain disciple,

his purity

abbot, but the abbot, like a true physician of the soul, in order that he might not be tossed about by the wind of vain-glory, and to prove his patience, sent him away with Beast that thou art, thou hast harsh words, saying another with thyself. And as to fire, beast brought along :


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thou hast read in the holy scripture that many were placed in the fire, rather than transgress My obedience, and, at My command were not hurt by it. This was the case of the three children, who remained happily in the furnace

and of many others of whom I could tell thee. The water bore up Maurus who had been sent by obedience to save he did not think of himself, but a drowning disciple ;

thought only with the light of faith of how to fulfil the command of his superior, and so walked upon the water as In if he had been on dry land, and so saved the disciple. everything, wilt find

if

thou openest the eye of the

shown

intellect,

forth the excellence of this virtue.

thou

Every

thing else should be abandoned for the sake of obedience. If thou wert lifted up in such contemplation and union of mind with Me, that thy body was raised from the earth, and an obedience were imposed on thee (speaking generally, and not in a particular case, which cannot give a law), thou

oughtest,

if

possible, to force thyself to arise, to

fulfil

the

obedience imposed on thee, though thou shouldest never I leave prayer, except for necessity, charity, or obedience.

say this in order that thou mayest see how prompt I wish My servants to be, and how pleasing it is

the obedience of

Everything that the obedient man does is a source If he eats, obedience is his food, if he sleeps, his dreams are obedience if he walks, if he remains if he watches everything that he does is still, if he fasts, obedience if he serve his neighbour, it is obedience that he How is he guided in the choir, in the refectory, serves.

to

Me.

of merit to him.

;

;

By obedience, with the light of the most holy with which light he has slain and cast from him his humbled self-will, and abandoned himself with self-hatred

or his cell ? faith,

arms of his order and superior. Reposing with obedience in the ship, allowing himself to be guided by his superior, he has navigated the tempestuous sea of this life, with calm and serene mind and tranquillity of heart, because obedience and faith have taken all darkness from to the

he remains strong and firm, having lost all weakness having destroyed his own will, from which comes And what is the food feebleness and disordinate fear.

him and all

;

fear,


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She eats knowledge of self, and of this spouse obedience ? of Me, knowing her own non-existence and sinfulness, and

My The

am He who

thus eating and knowing What does she drink ? truth in the Incarnate Word.

knowing

that

I

Blood, in which the

and the

ineffable

is,

Word

love which

has shown her, My Truth, have for her, and the

I

obedience imposed on Him by Me, His Eternal Father, so she becomes inebriated with the love and obedience of the Word, losing herself and her own opinions and knowledge,

and possessing

Me by

grace, tasting

Me by

holy obedience. obedient man speaks words of peace

love, with the

light of faith in "The

his death receives that

all

his

which was promised him

life,

and

at

at his death

his superior, that is to say eternal life, the vision of peace, and of supreme and eternal tranquillity and rest, the inestimable good which no one can value or understand,

by

for, being the infinite good, it cannot be understood by anything smaller than itself, like a vessel, which, dipped into the sea, does not comprehend the whole sea, but only that

quantity which it contains. So I, the Sea Pacific, am

The

sea alone contains

itself.

He who

alone can comprehend in My own estimate and

and value Myself truly. And comprehension of Myself I rejoice, and this joy, the good which I have in Myself, I share with you, and with all, I do not leave according to the measure of each. you empty, but

fill

you, giving you perfect beatitude ; each man My goodness in the measure in

comprehends and knows which it is given to him.

Thus, then, the obedient man, with the light of faith in the truth burning in the furnace of charity, anointed with humility, inebriated with the Blood, in

his sister patience, and with selfand enduring perseverance, and all the

company with

contempt, fortitude, other virtues (that is, with the fruit of the virtues), receives his end from Me, his

Creator."


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CHAPTER This "

is

CATHERINE

ST.

CXLVII.

a brief repetition of the entire book.

HAVE now, oh dearest and best beloved daughter,

I

satis

from the beginning to the end thy desire concerning

fied

obedience.

thou rememberest well, thou didst make four petitions with anxious desire, or rather I caused thee to make them in order to increase the fire of My love in thy soul one for thyself, which I have satisfied, illuminating thee "

of

If

Me

:

with

My

and showing thee how thou mayest know which thou didst desire to know explaining to

truth,

this truth

;

how thou

mightest come to the knowledge of it the knowledge of thyself and Me, through the light through The second request thou didst make of Me was of faith. thee

that

I

should do mercy to the world.

In the third thou

body of the holy Church, that

didst pray for the mystical

would remove darkness and persecutions from its iniquities at

own

desire in thy person.

it,

As

I

punishing to

this

I

explained that no penalty inflicted in finite time can satisfy for a sin committed against Me, the Infinite Good, unless it is

united with the desire of the soul and contrition of the

heart. I

How

have also

this is to

be done

told thee that

I

wish

I

have explained to thee. do mercy to the world,

to

proving to thee that mercy is My special attribute, for through the mercy and the inestimable love which I had for man, I sent to the earth the Word, My only-begotten Son, whom, that thou mightest understand things quite clearly, I

represented to thee under the figure of a Bridge, reaching to heaven, through the union of My divinity with

from earth

your human nature. "

I

also

showed

how

thee, to give thee further light

concerning

on three steps that is, These soul. three steps I also three of the the on powers under thou to as knowest, thee, figures of thy represented the mouth the and the feet, side, by which I also body

My

truth,

this

Bridge

figured three states of soul

is built

;

the imperfect state, the perfect


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which the soul arrives have shown thee clearly in each state the means of cutting away imperfection and reaching perfection, and how the soul may know by which road she is walking and of the hidden delusions of the devil and of spiritual self-love. Speaking of these three states I have also spoken of the three judgments which My clemency one in this life, the second at death on those who delivers

and the most perfect

state,

state, in

at the excellence of unitive love.

I

die in mortal sin without hope, of whom I told thee that they went under the Bridge by the Devil s road, when I

spoke to thee of their wretchedness. last and universal judgment.

of the

somewhat of the the blessed,

And the third is And I who told

that

thee

suffering of the damned and the glory of all shall have reassumed their bodies

when

given by Me, also promised thee, and now again I repeat my promise, that through the long endurance of My servants I

will reform

Wherefore

My spouse.

I

invite thee to endure,

Myself lamenting with thee over her iniquities. have shown thee the excellence of the ministers

And I

I

have

given her, and the reverence in which I wish seculars to hold them, showing thee the reason why their reverence towards My ministers should not diminish on account of the sins of the latter, and how displeasing to me is such diminution of reverence I

ject,

And

and of the virtue of those who

while speaking to thee on this sub also touched on the excellence of the sacraments.

further wishing thee to

told thee that all

and pointed out

know

of the states of tears and

thee on the subject and spoke tears issue from the fountain of the heart,

whence they proceed,

11

;

And

live like angels.

I

to

their causes to thee in order.

told thee not only of the four states of tears, but also I have also answered of the fifth, which germinates death. 1

thy fourth request, that I would provide for the particular case of an individual; I have provided as thou knowest. Further than this, I have explained My providence to thee, in general

and

made by

in particular,

showing thee how everything

divine providence, from the first beginning of the world until the end, giving you and permitting every thing to happen to you, both tribulations and consolations is


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temporal and spiritual, and every circumstance of your life your good, in order that you may be sanctified in Me, and My truth be fulfilled in you, which truth is that I for

created this "

in order to possess eternal

you

have also

I

in

life,

and manifested

only-begotten Son, the Word.

My My last words

with the blood of

fulfilled

thy desire and My and the im

promise to speak of the perfection of obedience

and how obedience can be I have shown it to thee as a destroyed. universal key, and so it is. I have also spoken to thee of particular obedience, and of the perfect and imperfect, and of those in religion, and of those in the world, explaining the condition of each distinctly to thee, and of the peace given by obedience, and the war of disobedience, and how disobedience

of

perfection

obtained and

man

deceived, showing thee how death by the disobedience of Adam, and how the Eternal Father, supreme and eternal Truth, give thee

the disobedient

came I,

;

how

is

into the world

whole matter, that in the obedience of Word, My Son, you have life, and as from

this conclusion of the

the only begotten that first old

man you

contracted the infection of death, so

of you who will take the key of obedience have contracted the infection of the life of the new Man, sweet Jesus, of

all

whom

I

And now

made I

a Bridge, the road to Heaven being broken. urge thee and My other servants to grief, for by

your grief and humble and continual prayer I will do mercy to the world. Die to the world and hasten along this way of truth, so as not to be taken prisoner if thou goest slowly. I demand this of thee now more than at first, for now I

have manifested to thee

My truth.

Beware

that thou never

leave the cell of self-knowledge, but in this cell preserve and spend the treasure which I have given thee, which is a doctrine of truth founded upon the living stone, sweet Christ Jesus, clothed in light which scatters darkness, with which doctrine

clothe

daughter, in the

thyself, truth."

My

best

beloved

and

sweetest


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CXLVIII.

most devout soul, thanking and praising God, makes prayer whole world and for the Holy Church, and commending the virtue of faith brings this work to an end. this

for the

THEN

that soul, having seen with the eye of the intellect,

and having known by the

light of

holy faith the truth and

excellence of obedience, hearing and tasting it with love and ecstatic desire, gazed upon the divine majesty and gave thanks to him saying, Thanks, thanks to Thee, oh eternal Father, "

for Thou hast not despised me, turned Thy face from me, nor

work of Thy hands, nor

the

despised my desires, Thou, the Light, hast not regarded my darkness ; Thou, true Life, hast not regarded my living death ; Thou, the Physician, hast not been repelled by my grave infirmities ; Thou, the eternal Purity, hast not considered the many miseries of

which that

I

folly

;

I am full Thou, who art the Infinite, hast overlooked am finite Thou, who art Wisdom, hast overlooked my Thy wisdom, Thy goodness, Thy clemency, Thy in ;

;

good, have overlooked these infinite evils and sins, and the many others which are in me. Having known the truth through Thy clemency, I have found Thy charity, and the

finite

What has constrained me ? Not neighbour. my virtues, but only Thy charity. May that same charity constrain Thee to illuminate the eye of my intellect with the love of

my

light of faith,

so that

I

may know and understand

which Thou hast manifested

may burn

me

be capable of retaining in the fire of

to

Thy

benefits, that

charity, and body to blood,

Thy

Grant that

me.

may

the truth

my memory my will may

that fire so

work

in

and that by that blood give my given for love of the Blood, together with the key of obe I ask this of dience, I may unlock the door of Heaven. that

I

Thee with

all my heart, for every rational creature, both general and in particular, in the mystical body of the I confess and do not deny that Thou didst holy church.

in

love

me

before

ineffable, as if

I

existed,

and that

Thou wast mad with

Thy

love

love for

Thy

for

me

is

creature.


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Oh, eternal Trinity ! oh Godhead ! Which Godhead gave value to the Blood of Thy Son, Thou, oh eternal Trinity, art a deep Sea, into which the deeper I enter the more I find, and the more I find the more I seek the soul cannot be ;

for she

satiated in

Thy abyss, continually hungers after Thee, the eternal Trinity, desiring to see Thee with light in

Thy

As

light.

desires the spring of living

the hart

soul desires to leave the prison of this dark and see Thee in truth. long, oh ! Eternal

my

water, so

How

body

and abyss of

will thy face be hidden Melt at once the cloud of my body. The knowledge which Thou hast given me of Thyself in Thy truth, constrains me to long to abandon the heaviness of

Trinity, fire

from

my

eyes

love,

?

body, and to give

my

Thy Name,

for I

my life for the glory and praise of have tasted and seen with the light of

Thy light, the abyss of Thee the eternal and the beauty of Thy creature, for, looking at myself in Thee, I saw myself to be Thy image, my life being given me by Thy power, oh eternal Father, and Thy wisdom, which belongs to Thy only-begotten Son, shining in my intellect and my will, being one with Thy Holy Spirit, who proceeds from Thee and Thy Son, by the intellect in

trinity,

!

whom I am my creator,

able to love Thee.

and

I

am

the

Thou, Eternal Trinity,

work of Thy hands, and

I

art

know

through the new creation which Thou hast given me in the blood of Thy Son, that Thou art enamoured of the beauty of Thy workmanship. Oh Abyss, oh Eternal Godhead, oh Sea Profound what more couldst Thou give me than Thyself, Thou art the fire which ever burns without being consumed ; Thou consumest in Thy heat all the soul s selflove Thou art the fire which takes away all cold ; with !

!

!

!

;

Thy Thy

light

truth

Thou dost illuminate me so that I may know all Thou art that light above all light, which ;

illuminates supernaturally the eye of my intellect, clarifying the light of faith so abundantly and so perfectly, that I see that

my

soul

is alive,

and

in

this light receives

Thee

the

true light. By the Light of faith I have acquired wisdom in the wisdom of the Word Thy only-begotten Son. In the light of faith I am strong, constant, and persevering.


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In the light of faith I hope, suffer me not to faint by the way. light, without which I should still walk in darkness,

This

teaches

me

Father, that

holy

faith.

the road, and for this hast illuminated

Thou Of a

truth

I

said,

me

Oh

a sea, for

this light is

!

Eternal

with the light of the soul

Sea Pacific. The water of the sea is not turbid, and causes no fear to the soul, for it is a deep which manifests sweet she knows the truth the light of Thy faith abounds, the that where so secrets, This water is a soul is certain of what she believes. which Eternal into the mirror Thou, Trinity, biddest magic me gaze, holding it with the hand of love, that I may see revels in Thee, Eternal Trinity, the

;

who am Thy creature, there represented in Thee, in me through the union which Thou didst make of Thy godhead with our humanity. For this light I know to represent to myself Thee the Supreme and Infinite Good, Good Blessed and Incomprehensible, Good Inestimable. Beauty above all beauty Wisdom above all wisdom for Thou art wisdom itself. Thou, the food of the angels, hast given Thyself in a fire of love to men

myself,

and Thyself

;

;

Thou, the garment which covers all our nakedness, feedest Oh Sweet, without any the hungry with Thy sweetness. I have oh Eternal known in Thy light, Trinity, bitter, which Thou hast given me with the light of holy faith, the many and wonderful things thou hast declared to me, !

!

explaining to

me

the path of supreme perfection, so that I in darkness, but with light, and

may no longer serve thee

be the mirror of a good and holy life, and arise miserable my sins, for through them I have hitherto I have not known Thy truth served Thee in darkness. that

I

may

from

and have not loved it. Why did I not know Thee ? Because I did not see Thee with the glorious light of the because the cloud of self-love darkened the holy faith of my intellect, and Thou, the Eternal Trinity, hast eye ;

Thy light. Who can attain and Thy Greatness, give Thee thanks for such im measurable gifts and benefits as Thou hast given me in this doctrine of truth, which has been a special grace over and above the ordinary graces which Thou givest also to dissipated the darkness with to


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Thou hast been willing to con descend to my need and to that of Thy creatures the need of introspection. Having first given the grace to ask the question, Thou repliest to it, and satisfiest Thy servant, penetrating me with a ray of grace, so that in that

Thy

other creatures ?

light

I

give Thee thanks. Eternal Truth, that

may

Thee, oh

!

I

Clothe me, clothe me with mortal course

may run my

with true obedience and the light of holy faith, with which light I feel that my soul is about to become inebriated afresh."

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