A Big Vision for Leading into the Future continued

interpreter of what was happening in Latin America, and he became my professor and one of my advisors.

Then there’s Juan Luis Segundo, SJ (1925–1996), who was of course Latin American, from Uruguay [a Jesuit priest and theologian and a leading figure in the Latin American Liberation Theology movement]. Those are the ones who really shaped me.

One more: Jon Sobrino, SJ, from El Salvador, whose Jesuit colleagues were all killed. I knew all those Jesuits. I had met them before they died in El Salvador. They had all had an impact on me.

GTU: What would you like to share about your work at the GTU? What were you working on at the time? Any favorite memories from your time at the GTU?

DB: What I really appreciated about the GTU is that they gave me the space to do my work in South America. I would go down and do my work in El Salvador, where I’d be doing human rights work, I’d come back up and meet with my professors, I’d go back down. I was back and forth all the time. Instead of saying, “Wait, why aren’t you here in school?” They would say, “We love that your field of study is what you’re exploring every day.”

I found great professors [at the GTU] in different areas: biblical studies, theological studies, and ethics, who helped give me the tools to start to put together how to think not ideologically but how to think critically. The thing I loved about the GTU is that the only pressure was to challenge your thinking, so that you’re always in a mode of learning forward, learning forward, learning forward.

Still today I say that in my companies: “If we’re not getting smarter every week then there is something wrong. Are we smarter this week?”

GTU: In what ways did your studies at the GTU prepare you for the broad-sweeping work you have done since leaving the GTU—from writing seven books (including Not for Sale (HarperOne, 2010)) and teaching (The University of San Francisco) to founding a non-profit aimed at turning a spotlight on and ending modern-day slavery across the globe (Not for Sale Campaign), creating an alternative approach to venture capitalism (Just Business) and co-founding four socially responsible and sustainable companies: Regenerate Technology (battery recycling), Dignitá restaurants, REBBL beverages and Z Shoes (sustainable fashion)? Are there any specific influences on your work that you would like to recognize?

DB: Even today, I’m very involved in the de-carbonization of transport. That is, how do we get away from petroleum-based fuels? How do we bring in hydrogen as a replacement and also electric vehicles? A lot of my work in investing is in that area today. If you look at climate change as an enormous problem that we feel the practical effects of, it’s almost a dark cloud over the psyche of so many people—including young people. In one way, we used to say,

“Well I don’t know enough to do something about it.” Now it’s like, “I know too much to do something about it.”

At a very philosophical level, the GTU encourages you to shape big dreams, in a way, to create redemption narratives that were grounded in day-to-day reality. I think what we lack today are redemption narratives. What I hear every day from people is, “My God, you’re the most hopeful person I know!”

And I say, “Well it’s not that I’m in denial of the challenge. But I also know that following the redemption narrative allows us to find meaning even in those failures or setbacks.”

So I’m really glad I studied philosophy and theology at the GTU. Reality always presents itself as the ultimate truth. To be able to understand that ultimate truth are the narratives we create out of reality is a very powerful force. That is number one.

I grew up with a narrow view of, say, the Bible. Then, at the GTU, I would go into my classes with William Herzog on Biblical Studies, and he would say, “Well let’s look at the text and see what they’re saying. Not what I’m saying or what you’re saying. Let’s look at what they’re saying.”

It taught me what I would call proactive humility. Be very proactive in your learning, but always know you’re probably wrong as much as you’re right. That comes from the intellectual rigor that came out of my training at the GTU. The faculty I had and the classes I took led me to that kind of ethos.

GTU: Can you name some of the breadth of the work you’ve been involved in since leaving the GTU? Where do you see the most resonance with the GTU’s mission and values and the work you’ve done?

DB: An outgrowth of my education was the integration of learning. Social analysis, economic analysis was weaved in many of my classes with theological reflection and biblical interpretation. It was the application of social sciences, economics, and theological and philosophical traditions. That was true of the whole of my PhD studies. For me, it’s all one thread.

I will admit, when I was in my twenties and early thirties, they felt almost different channels. The work I was doing in Silicon Valley didn’t relate to the work I did in academia which didn’t relate to my human rights work. But what happened in say the last 25 to 30 years is that I started to weave them all together. My teaching and my students would be involved in the work I was doing with human rights or business. And all my businesses I incorporate into my teaching. Now I see them all as integrated. It took me a while to be able to understand, to put them all together.

All truth is God’s truth, not just the truth that comes out of [Jurgen] Moltmann or [Rudolf] Bultmann or something, but all truth is God’s truth. How do you think theologically about the future of green economy? How do you think theologically about the fact that the world is in crisis? It is bringing multi-faceted analyses to every subject.

GTU: As the GTU prepares to celebrate its 60th anniversary, we are inviting GTU Community members to begin imagining what a brighter future 60 years from now might look like. What does that future look like to you? How would you like the GTU to be contributing to that brighter future?

DB: No matter what age we live in, we need people who can think of the bigger picture. They have a basis of transcendence from which to make critical decisions. The GTU raises up scholars within the academy and leaders within religious contexts. But it is also one of the few places that can raise up leaders for society. Those heads of corporations, heads of government should be thinking philosophically and theologically as much as they’re thinking about scientific or political solutions. It shapes how we embrace the future, and who gets included and who gets left out. What becomes important and what is de-prioritized. That’s where I value my education.

I hope that the GTU for the next 60 years is still training those leaders who are driving our future and not just trying to make sense of what our presence is, but driving a better future, embracing hope, and having a clear sense of what’s most important. .

READ the reflection online here.