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Grouptest... 42in TVs JVC LT-42DA8BJ

£1,000 (approx) ◆ 0870 3305000 ◆ 0870 3305000 ◆ Overall Rating ★★★

J

VC has put a lot of store behind its

Distinguishing features

D-ILA technology rear-pros, but it still

The most important of these is definitely

knows a thing or to about LCD

DynaPix, JVC’s latest proprietary picture

flatpanels. How does this £1,000 42in

processing system. Elements of this system

model rate against the competition?

include Digital Image Scaling Technology

Design and connections

(DIST), a sophisticated scaling system that adds in extra fine detail, especially

Aesthetically the 42DA8BJ is… okay. The

with standard-definition sources; black

gloss black screen frame is pretty enough,

level correction; noise reduction; and

but I’m not so sure about the slightly

contrast and colour management.

untidy and plasticky silver outer frame.

There’s also Digipure, which automatically

Connections are a similarly-mixed bag.

ups/down contrast settings to compensate

Two HDMIs get the JVC off to a good

for any under/over contrast there may be

start, and these are backed up by a

in the source.

component video input, and two RGB

Yet aside from DynaPix, the 42DA8BJ is

Scarts. Plus there’s a digital audio output.

pretty feature-light. In fact, the only final

However, there’s no four-pin S-Video

point worth mentioning is something the

option, and worse, no D-Sub PC input.

42DA8BJ lacks: 1080p support.

You can use the HDMIs as PC ports, but

saturated colours and lots of the brightness that so defines the LCD experience.

in this grouptest, and the tone of colours during dark scenes can look

solid presentation of the extra fine-

pictures, the 42DA8BJ has enough problems

detailing that’s HD’s trademark. You can

is fine. There isn’t the same raw power

to ultimately seem rather outclassed by

pick out individual coins in the vast pile of

and frequency range heard on higher-end

much of its competition today.

Barbosa’s gold on the Pirates of the

JVC sets, but you can still enjoy even

Caribbean Blu-ray, for instance.

something as histrionic as the Con Air

LAB REPORT Colour Black Level Contrast Resolution

✓ ✓

Poor

Although capable of sporadically excellent

Average

screen’s 1366 x 768 resolution.

Good

Performance

Excellent

only if you set your PC to match the

Where the JVC’s image is good is with bright, colour-rich material that doesn’t

42DA8BJ deliver crisper, cleaner standard-

football, for instance, looks really vibrant

definition pictures than is common.

and engaging. This is down to some well-

SUPPORT ● ● ● ● ✕ ● ● ● ● ●

DETAILS 720p and 1080i, but no 1080p Compatible with 480p and 720p With 7-day EPG 1 phono input Only via Scart 2 connections (both RGB) 1 input 2 HDMI But only via HDMI 1 output

Sound: Nicam Stereo (2 x 6W) Resolution: 1366 x 768 Brightness: 500ANSI Lumens; Contrast: 1000:1 (claimed) Dimensions: 1030(w) x 672(h) x 108(d)mm; Weight: 22.1kg Also featuring DynaPix processing; backlight brightness adjust; Digipure processing; sleep timer; child lock; Hyper sound; 3D Cinema Sound; RF attenuator

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JVC’s DIST system also helps the

contain many dark areas. HD coverage of

SPECIFICATIONS ITEM HD Ready Progressive Scan Digital TV Tuner Composite video S-video Scart Component video HDMI/DVI PC input Headphone

HD images are also likeably sharp, with

So what are the problems? The main

slightly unnatural. The 42DA8BJ’s audio performance

soundtrack without fear of distortion or tinniness.

Conclusion

one is black level response. The scenes

We applaud JVC for delivering a perfectly

where The Bride is buried alive in Kill Bill

affable 42in LCD TV bearing DynaPix

take place behind a really quite obvious

processing for less than a grand. But

pall of greyness, to the extent that it’s

at the same time there’s no denying

often difficult to see what’s going on.

– thanks in particular to a lack of black

Motion can also look a touch blurred,

level – that it’s far from the best TV in this

especially versus the plasma contenders

group test.

A pair of HDMI inputs lurk above RGB Scart and component inputs

JVC’s silver remote is easy to get used to OCTOBER 2007

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Tried&Tested... LG 42LF66

£1,150 (approx) ◆ 0870 6075544 ◆ www.lge.co.uk ◆ Overall Rating ★★★½

Performance To the untrained eye, the 42LF66’s pictures probably look amazing. Colours, for instance, are blasted out with more

of the bunch.

vibrancy and intensity than I can recall seeing on any flat TV before. Animated movies like Shrek can thus frequently

The 42LF66’s design is great; a really sleek

look quite breathtaking, while more

combination of high-gloss finish and

‘naturalistic’ sources like The Prestige

It’s also very well connected. Two HDMIs lead the way, with the usual support from

on HD DVD also look remarkably rich and solid. What’s more, the intensity of the LG’s

component video, D-Sub PC and Scart jacks.

colours doesn’t preclude either natural

Then there’s a digital audio output, and the

skintones or some pleasing subtlety with

discovery that the HDMIs will take in

colour blends.

1080p signals.

Distinguishing features

The 42LF66 scores an instant hit with its fine-detailing, too, reproducing sharp HD

Although the 42LF66’s chassis is slender, it still produces good volume and range

sequences like the opening space battle in

with the full-on Con Air soundtrack

The 42LF66’s 1920 x 1080 Full HD pixel

The Revenge of the Sith (recorded from

– though a little more bass extension

count is, as I’ve said, unique within this

Sky HD) with exceptional ‘snap’. The sense

would have sealed the deal.

group test. And I’m pleased to say LG

of sharpness is enhanced by the panel’s

backs it up with a 1:1 pixel mapping mode,

crisp handling of motion.

for showing HD sources without any overscanning processing. There certainly is some picture

It’s mostly downhill from here, though.

Conclusion The 42LF66 is remarkably cheap for

The biggest problem is that old LCD

a 42in Full HD LCD TV, and has a flare

chestnut of black level response. The

for the dramatic that will win it many

processing going on, though, namely LG’s

infamous ‘buried alive’ sequence in Kill

shallow friends. But more discerning

venerable XD Engine system. The version

Bill catches the LG out almost as badly as

eyes will find all the sharpness/colour

here is optimised for Full HD performance,

the JVC, with clear evidence of greyness

aggression and bluster hiding a definite

and is out to deliver its customary

where things should look nearly totally

flaw or two.

improvements to colour, black level,

black. What’s more, dark areas also look

detailing, motion-handling and contrast.

hollow thanks to a lack of shadow detail.

The screen also offers separate MPEG and

Elsewhere, quite a lot of noise slips into

standard noise reduction routines; a good-

standard-definition playback (even though

looking claimed contrast ratio of 5000:1;

this does also look sharper than is

and ‘Simplink’ control via the TV’s remote of

common with Full HD LCD TVs), and edges

other LG gear attached to the HDMIs.

occasionally looking over-stressed.

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The handset is a vast improvement over previous LG models

SPECIFICATIONS ITEM HD Ready Progressive Scan Digital TV Tuner Composite video S-video Scart Component video HDMI/DVI PC input Headphone

SUPPORT ● ● ● ● ● ● ● ● ● ●

LAB REPORT Colour Black Level Contrast Resolution

✓ ✓

Poor

unusually slender chassis.

Average

Design and connections

Good

1920 x 1080 pixel resolution. But

that doesn’t automatically make it the best

Excellent

L

G’s new LCD screen is the only

TV in our group test with a Full HD

DETAILS 720p, 1080i, and 1080p 480p, 720p and 1080p with 7-day EPG 1 phono input 1 input 2 connections (1 RGB) 1 input 2 HDMI 1 D-Sub connection 1 output

Sound: Nicam stereo (2 x 10W) Resolution: 1920 x 1080 Brightness: 450ANSI Lumens (claimed); Contrast: 5000:1 (claimed) Dimensions: 1033(w) x 687(h) x 88.5(d)mm; Weight: 23kg Also featuring XD Engine processing, 1:1 pixel mapping, TruV panel wide angle viewing, MPEG NR, standard noise reduction, black level booster, cinema mode, XD Colour processing, MAX surround sound mode, digital audio output HOME CINEMA CHOICE 49

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Grouptest... 42in TVs PANASONIC TH-42PX70

£1,000 (approx) ◆ 08705 357357 ◆ www.panasonic.co.uk ◆ Overall Rating ★★★★½

A

rguably the most consistent name

figures of our two LCD contenders,

in plasma makes its traditional

it’s nice to find the 42PX70 claiming

talents available at by far the

a more reassuring 10000:1. Naturally this

cheapest price it’s ever managed. So is

is delivered with the help of Panasonic’s

there anything not to like?

tried and trusted Real Black Drive

Design and connections

technology, along with a new Deep Black Filter. Probably the 42PX70’s main feature,

Panasonic has ditched the rather

though, is its V-Real 2 video processing

uninspiring plasticky grey seen on its previous plasma generation in favour of a

engine. Elements of this include digital

much more sophisticated all-over black.

re-mastering for upscaling non-1080p

The 42PX70’s connections unusually

sources to 1080p for playback; a Digital

exclude the two lowest-quality connection

Optimiser that detects and removes noise

options around, composite RCA and four-

types common to digital video feeds; and

immediately helps dark scenes, like those

pin S-video. But you do get two 1080p-

motion pattern noise reduction which

on the crashed alien ship in Alien, look

flaws in the 42PX70’s make up. For

capable HDMIs and a component jack for

reduces false contouring during motion.

much more cinematic and immersive

instance, rich reds sporadically look a touch

– especially as there’s loads of subtle

orangey. Also, I noticed traces of dithering

HD applications, not to mention Scarts and

Otherwise the only thing really worth adding is that while the 42PX70’s 1080p

a D-Sub PC port for computer use.

talents do extend to accepting the

shadow detailing on show.

And so now I must acknowledge minor

over skintones during our footy viewing

The 42PX70’s colours aren’t as vibrant

and camera pans can judder a little. Finally off-axis caused by the Panny’s thick front

good toning and loads of expressive

glass arrangement.

LAB REPORT Colour Black Level Contrast Resolution

✓ ✓

Poor

there’s a visible ‘ghost’ image if you watch

than compensate for this with generally

Average

as those of the LCD models, but they more

oddly appear without any audio.

Good

1080p/24Hz format, 1080p/24 pictures

Excellent

Distinguishing features After the relatively low contrast ratio

subtlety. Similarly, although HD images

After the slightly uninspiring efforts of our

don’t look as ultra-sharp as with the LCDs,

two LCD efforts, the 42PX70’s pictures are

they also appear less noisy and forced.

a breath of fresh air. Particularly gratifying

is its black level, which looks both much

the 42PX70 to be free of motion blur, and

deeper and much more natural than those

a little daytime TV viewing soon convinces

of the JVC and LG contenders. This

SPECIFICATIONS ITEM HD Ready Progressive Scan Digital TV Tuner Composite video S-video Scart Component video HDMI/DVI PC input Headphone

Performance

SUPPORT ● ● ● ✕ ✕ ● ● ● ● ●

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Con Air DVD well.

me that the 42PX70 is unusually good

Conclusion The advances of a rival in this grouptest

Normally I could just leave the review

DETAILS 720p, 1080i, and 1080p Compatible with 480p, 720p, 1080p With 7-day EPG RIP Ditto 2 connections (both RGB) 1 input 2 HDMI 1 D-Sub connection 1 output

predecessors, delivering enough power and clarity to handle our explosive

at handling standard-definition sources. here, with the 42PX70’s strengths

Sound: Nicam Stereo (2x10W) Resolution: 1024 x 768 Brightness: No claim made; Contrast: 10000:1 (claimed) Dimensions: 1020(w) x 680(h) x 97(d)mm; Weight: 35kg Also featuring Vreal2 processing, 1080p playback, Deep Black Filter, Viera HDMI compatibility, Sub-pixel controller, 3D colour management, Noise reduction, Owner ID security, Pseudo surround audio option 50 HOME CINEMA CHOICE

Football coverage, meanwhile, shows

The 42PX70’s speakers, meanwhile, are an improvement over those of the screen’s

have finally shown a Panasonic plasma TV to be less than perfect. But the 42PX70

speaking for themselves. But today is not

does have one last saving ace up its

a normal day, for the simple reason that

sleeve: its price. At a grand it really

elsewhere in this grouptest is the

is one heck of a bargain, and as such

astounding new plasma TV from Pioneer...

remains easy to recommend ■

The death knell has sounded for S-video and composite here

Panasonic’s remote has had a style bypass, but it’s easy to use OCTOBER 2007

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Tried&Tested... PIONEER PDP-428XD £1,800 (approx) ◆ 01753 789500 ◆ www.pioneer.co.uk ◆ Overall Rating ★★★★★

C

an the first 42in model from

Other key facts about Pioneer’s 428XD

Pioneer’s ‘KURO’ range make the

are that it can be professionally calibrated

same level of impact the brand’s

to your room environment by an

50in model did in our last issue? Somehow, I suspect it might…

Design and connections

Imaging Science Foundation-approved engineer, and can receive 1080p signals in their 50, 60 and 24Hz formats. Even better, the set can show the 1080p/24Hz

The ultra-minimal and high-gloss black

format using a 72Hz playback system

design of the PDP-428XD is an exercise in

that should reduce artefacting and

opulent elegance.

image judder.

Its connectivity is also fittingly prodigious for what is after all a premium-

Performance

priced TV. Three HDMIs lead the charge,

The 428XD produces the best picture I’ve

receiving support from a D-Sub PC input,

seen on a 42in flat TV. And here’s why.

component video jacks, all the usual

The black level it produces really is

analogue, standard-def suspects, an RS232

genuinely revolutionary (helped by an

1080p/24Hz in the TV’s 72Hz mode) and

Conclusion

input, and even a USB2 port for direct

impressive real world contrast ratio of

Pioneer’s processing does a regal job of

Pioneer’s 428XD is frankly so clearly

playback of digital photos.

1700:1 after calibration). The night-time

suppressing noise.

Distinguishing features

assault on a Berlin factory in Mission:

ahead of the rest of the pack that if it

Interestingly, all of the strengths just

wasn’t for its premium price tag,

16000:1 – the highest I’ve seen on a

natural tone, bags of shadow detail, and

pictures too – pictures that look so sharp

plasma TV (hence the ‘KURO’ side name,

not a trace of the greyness that

from the screen’s 1024 x 768 pixels that

since Kuro is Japanese for black).

characterises so many flat TV rivals.

they actually give many Full HD LCDs

Delivering this black level is a quartet

Colours are also the best I’ve seen

of technologies. Pioneer’s unique Ultra

on a flat TV, enjoying jaw-dropping

Black Crystal Layer ups the response

vibrancy and total naturalism. Comparing

there’s motion. The speakers supplied with the 428XD,

efficiency of the plasma cells; a Deep

the rich reds of the Sky News channel

meanwhile, are typical Pioneer. Which is to

Waffle Rib pixel structure uses unusually

logo as shown by this Pioneer with how

say they’re really very good indeed.

high walls between cells to reduce light

they look even on a screen as good as the

seepage; Pioneer’s Direct Colour Filter

Panasonic 42PX70 shows the rivals’

replaces the traditional thick glass front

efforts to be looking decidedly orange.

panel with a reflection-absorbing film alternative; and special image processing

There’s also remarkable subtlety in the screen’s colour blends, motion is

treats dark and light scenes in completely

handled with complete clarity and

different ways.

smoothness (especially watching

Three HDMIs and three Scarts make this plasma connection-tastic OCTOBER 2007

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Obviously, the KURO remote was going to be black

LAB REPORT Colour Black Level Contrast Resolution

✓ ✓ ✓ ✓

a run for their money, especially when

SPECIFICATIONS ITEM HD Ready Progressive Scan Digital TV Tuner Composite video S-video Scart Component video HDMI/DVI PC input Headphone

SUPPORT ● ● ● ● ● ● ● ● ● ●

Poor

up and go home ■

Average

everybody else might as well just pack

produce remarkably sharp, detailed

Good

described combine to make the 428XD

immaculate blackness, with a perfectly

Excellent

Impossible III enjoys absolutely

The Pioneer claims a contrast ratio of

DETAILS 720p, 1080i, and 1080p Compatible with 480p, 720p, 1080p With 7-day EPG 1 phono input 1 input 3 connections (2 RGB) 1 inputs 3 HDMI 1 D-Sub connection 1 output

Sound: Nicam stereo (2 x 17W) Resolution: 1024 x 768 Brightness: No claimed made; Contrast: 16000:1 (claimed) Dimensions: 115(d) x 679(h) x 1040(w)mm; Weight: 29.6kg Also featuring HD Digital Film Direct mode (24fps); HDMI CEC control; ISF C3 Ready; Ultra black crystal layer; Direct Colour Filter 3; Active; Home gallery by USB 2.0; I-Clear Drive; Various noise reduction systems; subwoofer output HOME CINEMA CHOICE 53

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Grouptest... 42in TVs SAMSUNG PS42Q97HD

£950 (approx) ◆ 0870 2420303 ◆ www.samsung.co.uk ◆ Overall Rating ★★★★

A

s the cheapest contender in this

screens. Helping Samsung achieve this is

grouptest – it’s barely half the

the brand’s Ultra FilterBright technology,

price of the stellar Pioneer PDP-

428XD – is this Samsung also the worst?

Design and connections Samsung TVs are consistently among the prettiest around, and the PS42Q97HD is a

reckoned to remove up to 90 per cent of ambient light reflections. Plus there’s a new Optimal Light Filter element, which reduces light diffusion as the picture emerges through the screen. Next of note is a Movie Plus Mode, which interpolates extra frames of image

chip off the uber-stylish old block. Its connections will set your pulse racing

to make moving objects look smoother

too, since they include three HDMIs. What’s

and sharper. Plus there’s a ‘Silhouette

more, a dedicated D-Sub PC input means

Editor’ that smoothes out the PS42Q97HD’s

you don’t have to sacrifice one of these

contour reproduction and reduces motion

precious HDMIs to computer use, and you

noise, and a Natural True Colour system

get all the component/Scart/S-Video/

that optimises colour tones even during

composite video standards.

action scenes.

Distinguishing features

Samsung’s Digital Natural Image engine

live up to the 15,000:1 promise (our real

problem with dithering over skintones

The PS42Q97HD boasts a 15000:1 contrast

for further tweaking colours, contrast,

world measurement rates it at 700:1), it is

largely eradicated.

ratio – just 1000:1 short of the figure

motion and sharpness.

nonetheless very good for a 42in TV

Colour Black Level Contrast Resolution

✓ ✓

Poor

Average

Good

LAB REPORT

Excellent

quoted by Pioneer’s revolutionary KURO

✓ ✓

Finally on the processing front you get

On the negative side, the PS42Q97HD’s

For starters, while its black level doesn’t

retailing for £950. The space backdrop to

HDMIs don’t take 1080p feeds – but they

the opening battle of Revenge of the Sith,

careful with the settings. For instance, the

for instance, looks inkier and more star-

Dynamic image preset option is far too

any connected CEC-capable sources.

packed than I often see at this price point.

aggressive, bringing forth otherwise

The Samsung’s pictures are also bright

SUPPORT ● ● ● ● ● ● ● ● ● ●

despite their black level accomplishments,

introduces a distracting shimmering effect

The PS42Q97HD is a more likeable

and colours are vibrant, solid and mostly

at the edges of moving objects, too.

performer than you’ve a right to expect

naturally toned. The pristine BD transfer of Casino Royale, sharpness and solid detailing, ensuring

DETAILS 720p, 1080i, but no 1080p Compatible with 480p, 720p With 7-day EPG 1 phono input 1 input 2 connections (1 x RGB) 1 input 3 HDMI 1 D-Sub connection 1 output

Sound: Nicam Stereo (2x10W) Resolution: 1024 x 768 Brightness: 1300cd/m2 (claimed); Contrast: 15000:1 (claimed) Dimensions: 104(d) x 700(h) x 1055(w)mm; Weight: 30.6kg Also featuring Ultra FilterBright system; Silhouette Editor processing; Natural True Colour system; black, gamma, white balance and colour space adjust; DNIe, SRS XT audio processing, game mode, home theatre PC setting 54 HOME CINEMA CHOICE

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dormant noise. The Movie Plus mode

Performance

meanwhile, is reproduced with good

ITEM HD Ready Progressive Scan Digital TV Tuner Composite video S-video Scart Component video HDMI/DVI PC input Headphone

My only caveat with this TV is that you can mess its pictures up if you’re not

are CEC-enabled for one-remote control of

for its money.

SPECIFICATIONS

with even plasma’s common

The PS42Q97HD’s speakers prove more potent and clear than those of Samsung’s previous flat TV range.

plenty of impact from such HD delights as

Conclusion

the shot of St Mark’s Square that

A typically appealing all-rounder from

establishes the Venice sequence.

Samsung that treads just the right line

The PS42Q97HD is also less prone

between performance, design, features

to video noise than most budget screens,

and price.

Connectivity is good: there is a third side-mounted HDMI input

Samsung’s minimalist handset is very user-friendly OCTOBER 2007

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Tried&Tested...

The picture says it all...

CONCLUSION

LCD technology has scored some notable successes in recent bigscreen shoot outs. But today is just not its day, as we find both the LCD entrants occupying the bottom two slots of our league table. Bringing up the rear is JVC’s 42DA8BJ. We should say that under certain conditions – ie, with really bright, colourful sources – this screen can look outstanding.

But we ultimately can’t forgive it for its fairly serious black level shortcomings. The same problem plagues the LG 42LF66, albeit to a slightly lesser extent, meaning that even the extreme HD sharpness delivered by its Full HD pixel count can’t lift it into our medal positions today. In third I’ve placed Samsung’s PS42Q97HD. This plasma TV is yet another masterclass from the Korean brand in how to give the mass market exactly what it wants: loads of features, good performance standards and sumptuous looks – all for a truly budget price. In fact, the Samsung model got dangerously close to achieving what would before today have been unthinkable, and edging ahead of a Panasonic plasma. But in the end Panasonic’s new aggressive pricing, together with its still very impressive picture quality, does just enough to give the popular Japanese brand the silver medal slot. Cruising home to take the gold medal by a good furlong or two is Pioneer’s PDP-428XD. When this TV arrived I had genuine concerns that it just wouldn’t be able to justify its self-consciously premium price point. But its performance really is in a whole different league to even that of the Panasonic, meaning that quality-obsessives will have no hesitation whatsoever in declaring it worth every penny of its asking price – and more ■

RATINGS

1. Pioneer PDP-428XD

£1,800 (approx)

Highs: Revolutionarily good pictures, lovely build quality, great features and connections Lows: All the splendour on offer will cost you

Picture ★★★★★

Sound ★★★★

Features ★★★★★

2. Panasonic TH-42PX70

Overall ★★★★★ £1,000 (approx)

Highs: Generally excellent pictures, especially with black level; nice design great price Lows: Slightly orangey reds, can see offset image if you watch from an angle

Picture ★★★★½

Sound ★★★★

Features ★★★★½

3. Samsung PS42Q97HD

Overall ★★★★½ £950 (approx)

Highs: Gorgeous design, outstanding value, good all-round performer Lows: You need to be careful during setup, otherwise you can mess its pictures around

Picture ★★★★

Sound ★★★★

Features ★★★★

4. LG 42LF66

Overall ★★★★

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Picture ★★★½

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Features ★★★★½

5. JVC LT-42DA8BJ

Overall ★★★½ £1,000 (approx)

Highs: Decent price, bright colours, good picture detail Lows: No 1080p support, average black level, occasional colour tone issues

Picture ★★★

Sound ★★★★

Features ★★★★

Overall ★★★

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