Two views about working for a better world (Bret Kugelmass, John Shanahan) USofA

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Conversation between: Bret Kugelmass, Managing Director, Energy Impact Center bret@energyimpactcenter.org https://www.linkedin.com/in/bkugelmass/ www.energyimpactcenter.org and John Shanahan, Dr. Ing., Civil Engineer, Editor website: www.allaboutenergy.net john.shanahan@allaboutenergy.net Twenty-six years experience in commercial nuclear power and environmental cleanup at federal facilities, 1970 – 1995. Twentythree years effort for global public education about wind, solar, fossil fuel and nuclear energy, nuclear medicine and low dose radiation guidelines, 1996 – 2019 and continuing. December 2019

What are the world’s most urgent problems? Democracy or Tyranny? Clean water and air? Food? Serious and unnecessary pollution? Slavery and slave wages? Forcing everyone to stop using fossil fuels? Panic about catastrophic man-made global warming, climate change, climate disruption, massive sea-level rise? 1


BRET KUGELMASS It has been a wild couple years so thanks for following me and my adventures on LinkedIn. When I first launched the Energy Impact Center two years ago all I knew was that I wanted to dedicate my life to tackling climate change. And then, after learning about the need to remove previous emissions and how much energy that would take, I went down a deep rabbit hole. At this point, I had only a basic understanding of nuclear energy and didn't know a soul in the industry... just a clue it would be necessary and that things weren't quite as I'd been led to believe. After 1,500+ interviews conducted, you could say I have developed a bit of a.... unique perspective. I share this story at an entrepreneurship seminar at the University of Michigan. I've also taken this message to the environmental community, getting a lot of attention by stirring up a bit of trouble in challenging environmentalists to rethink their position on nuclear energy. Fast forward two years and I was even invited present my findings at the United Nations. As EIC looks ahead to 2020, we're at the point of transitioning from research to impact. One project I'd like to highlight is the Nuclear Energy Grand Challenge (modeled after the X-Prize) – we launched our first prize competition this fall on the topic of nuclear waste at the University of Michigan, supported by National Labs (ORNL, INL, PNNL), major utilities (DTE, Exelon), and more (GE Power, BWXT, and EPRI). There will be a lot more coming down the line, but in the meantime if you are ever looking for a quote on nuclear energy, climate change, or more... I am at your disposal. Cheers to a hopeful, inspired, and productive new year!

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JOHN SHANAHAN Bret Kugelmass’ LinkedIn page says that his one and only goal is clean air, water and plentiful power. His organization is Energy Impact Center. He talks about reversing climate change, not providing clean air, water and having electric power. Reversing climate change is a huge, complicated project, never-done-before. Reversing climate change literally means precise, well controlled cooling of the Earth when it is too warm and precise warming the Earth when it is too cool. Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the he supported Barack Obama because B.O. would reverse climate change. The too warm and too cool temperatures are not defined or approved by anyone or any world body. The reversing climate change to some ideal temperature is not defined. In temperate zones, there are four seasons with different temperatures every day of the year. Weather changes by the hour. On the website allaboutenergy.net, we work for clean air, water, plentiful energy, good government, economies, and education for the world. We do not think it possible or wise to try to control or reverse Earth’s climate. It is controlled by nature and the sun. The world is beautiful today. Evidence of past climate change shows tremendous events that climate change alarmists have no ability to duplicate. Those powerful events will continue to happen. Catastrophic, man-made climate tipping points regularly promised since the 1970s for each next 10 year period never happened and aren’t going to. Attempts to control Earth’s climate will only result in destruction of democracy and capitalism. Many climate change alarmists want this. The world would return to tyranny, poverty, slavery with suffering and death until the population shrinks to much smaller numbers. The environment would be ravaged by billions of desperate people. Keep the world beautiful. Keep fossil fuels. Go nuclear everywhere as soon as practically possible.

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