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Re: Forum for Assessment by Callum Moffat - Wednesday, 8 May 2013, 9:06 PM Hi Dr. Margerison and 8-F, As Douglas winter famously said, ‘Horror is an Emotion’ and I strongly agree with Winter about this statement. I believe that many people who read horror novels could possibly enjoy reading them. I think that many people read certain genres/classifications for a reason; either they can relate the events and emotions developed in the category to themselves, they might like (Say for an example) the suspense and thrill of an action story or the alluring, enchanting and gratifying pleasure of a romance novel. Therefore, the readers who indulge in horror novels must read them for a reason. I don’t know if ‘enjoyment’ would necessarily be the correct word to describe the emotions, the reader feels when

reading a horror publication, I’d rather perhaps say nourish or passion, possibly being an enthusiast or admirer for the emotion of ‘horror’. Furthermore, looking at the definition of the word, ‘horror’ (An overwhelming and painful feeling caused by something frightfully shocking, terrifying, or revolting; a shuddering fear), you can relate to feeling this way when reading a horror novel. ‘Horror’ can also be explained as ‘the feeling of revulsion that usually occurs after something frightening is seen, heard or otherwise experienced. It is the feeling one gets after coming to an awful realization or experiencing a deeply unpleasant occurrence.’ When you think about it, this impression, this emotion of ‘horror’ you experience after reading a frightening/suspenseful scene can be addictive. The reader can experience the thrill and edge-of-your-seat action that they want to read more, more on the same type of story or novel. When I personally read horror novels, I certainly don’t enjoy reading them. I feel extremely frightened whilst reading them and after I have put the book down, I cannot bring the scary, haunting scenes of the novel and actions of the characters out of my head. I begin to imagine these dreadful things happening in real life and this makes me anxious and afraid that they could possibly occur, involving me or the people around me. Additionally, some readers may perceive horror as the feeling of dread and anticipation that precedes the horrifying experience, but this is actually called ‘terror’. As quoted by Stephen King, in his non-fiction book, ‘Danse Macabre’, “The Horror: the unnatural, spiders the size of bears, the dead waking up and walking around, it's when the lights go out and something with claws grabs you by the arm. And the last and worse one: Terror, when you come home and notice everything you own had been taken away and replaced by an exact substitute. It's when the lights go out and you feel something behind you, you hear it, you feel its breath against your ear, but when you turn around, there's nothing there...” In addition to this, when you really examine and analyze the emotion of ‘horror’, you will find that the author focuses on key features and subjects that frighten a vast majority of people, focusing on religious traditions, death, the afterlife, evil, the demonic and the principle of evil embodied in the devil. These themes mainly include frightful characters such as witches, vampires, werewolves, ghosts, supernatural humans and psychiatric humans or creatures. When researching the emotion of ‘horror’, it is interesting to see how this feeling included in various novels has progressed since its creation. Looking back at the 1700s, it is intriguing to find that a significant amount, of the category involving the emotion of ‘horror’, of this era, was written by women, aiming at a female audience/market. Comparing this to today’s world, where there is less racism and discrimination against the sexes, it is fascinating to find that both men and women write these novels and the audience is not only women, but also men. It is also said that a typical scenario, in a novel of this kind back in the 1700s, was a resourceful female protagonist menaced in a gloomy castle. I find this astonishing that the women of this

era/age would be interested to read about their sex being tortured or harming other characters, possibly of the same sex or different. From researching this, it tells me that the women of that age were possibly manipulative, wanting to perform harmful actions themselves, they were frightened about whether other people would harm them and would want to see how the character of the same gender would respond/react or they might possibly, just enjoy reading the ‘horror’ emotion. Additionally, comparing the amount of themes of novels with this emotion of ‘horror’, it can be concluded that, in this day and age, there is a more widespread genre containing this emotion, consisting not only of women menaced in a gloomy castle, but of crime, monsters, supernatural events occurring etc. Thanks for reading! Kind regards, Callum Moffat. 8-F

Above: The famous man himself, Stephen King.

Callum Moffat's Post by William Layt - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 5:28 AM Great Job Callum! That was a very persuasive piece! I like your idea of, "I don’t know if ‘enjoyment’ would necessarily be the correct word to describe the emotions, the reader feels when reading a horror publication, I’d rather perhaps say nourish or passion, possibly being an enthusiast or admirer for the emotion of ‘horror’." Nice work! Keep on posting! Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Curtis Young - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 7:15 AM Will and Callum you have very valid opinions that I agree with. Personally, I find horror as a very unique genre because it's about what perspective and how the reader interprets the author's text. Some books/movies can be much more frightening to some people to others they don't find scary. I believe from an author's perspective that horror is reaching in and trying to connect with the readers deepest fears. Like Will said some people are really frigthened of clowns and others not. The emotion horror itself can be mixed with feelings of fear, bravery, heroicness, anxiousness and sadness. Regular readers of horror 'enjoy' it because of a few reasons. Mainly they get so easily hooked in the storyline and not want to put the book down. They are on the edge of the seat and always want to now want happens next... I think horror is also enjoyed because of they way the reader can interperate it. He can use his imagination and picture it in their unlike any other style of writing. The way the story is foreshadowed and word are played on, particularly by the great Edgar Allan Poe, the reader can use their imagination and make it has scary as he likes. Lastly some people just enjoy reading the blood thirsty stories and gore. That certainly is not me, however for people that do like it I wouldn't say they find it 'enjoyable' I would say 'intrigued' by the text. The raven by Edgar Allen Poe is intiguing because of the way Poe can create tension while fore shadowing the start of the event and the play on words he uses. It is a very classy piece of writing that really draws the reader into the story and really gets you thinking about what his happening to the man being haunted by the Raven bird. Even though I do not regularly read horror I was intrigued by the storyline and amazed how well a simple idea can be made into a interesting horror story. Curtis Young 8F Keep Posting... Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Callum Moffat - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 9:47 AM Hi Dr. Margerison and 8-F, Well done Will for your absolutely, outstanding, superb description of the â&#x20AC;&#x2DC;horrorâ&#x20AC;&#x2122; emotion. You really dug-deep into the meaning of horror and related it back to yourself. Well done, once again and keep up the good work! Thankyou also for for acredditing my work. I appreciate your kindness and thoughtful comments! Well done also to Curtis, for relating your horror writing to 'The Raven', that we read in class. My only comment to you is that you stated that 'horror was a genre'. Does this mean that you believe

that 'horror' is a genre or you think that it is an emotion, like the question said? Furthermore, some of your statements were also quite similar to Will's and I's. Though, I do understand that each person's work is slightly similar at times, which is accidental. Thanks and kind regards, Callum Moffat. 8-F Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Arshar Nelson - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 10:20 AM Callum, I completely agree with you. From reading your post I now believe that horror is an emotion as well as a genre. It is amazing how horror stretches back to ancient times, in ancient Egypt and surrounding areas there were tales of vampires. One of the most earliest known horror can be traced back to ancient times in the text of The Arabian Nights. \(*o*)/ Keep up the good work! From: Arshar Nelson 8F Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Finn Foulds-Cook - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 10:12 AM Good job Callum, you have dedicated a lot of research into this lovely comment, good job I would love to hear more good responses, I totally agree by the way. Keep up the Good Work. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

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by Ji Rogelja - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 10:16 AM Interesting thoughts Callum, personally, i've never particularly thought about it until now. You make a highly valid point with a lot of text. \

If people try to think on this question a lot, I think they'll see that the starting passage is quite true, at least in my opinion. The 'emotion' of horror can really be applied to most 'genres'. For example, you can slam the genre of romance, with a horror style. You will have created a hair-raising romance with a damsel in distress, hiding from a monster possibly. You can see how horror really is a sort of 'sub-genre', to be applied to a 'hyper-genre' sci-fi, or a fantasy-my favourite. However, Gothic horror may be an exception, possibly a hyper-genre. -Ji Rogelja Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Jesse Rutherford - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 10:15 AM Callam, everyweek you write marvelous pieces of work that inspires everyone to write just as good as you and write as much as you. I realy liked how you made it persuasive and the words you used. You talked about the type of character use, like witches, vampires, werewolves, ghosts, supernatural humans and psychiatric humans or creatures. Just like Will said, when I was reading through, I saw the word ENJOYMENT and I really didn't think that that was correct. You might enjoy horror but I think a lot more boys would be scared or horrified. But, in the end, your work was marvelous and it hasn't just inspired me but most boys in this class. WELL DONE!!! Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Callum Moffat's Post by Oliver Todd - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 10:16 AM I agree with your valid information William and Callum. Enjoyment I find is not the correct word. Personally, I think the appropriate word would along the lines of “entertainment.” I also have to acknowledge you William with the two ideas of “Passion and nourish.” I hope you guys keep posting these wise comments. Oliver Todd

Re: Forum for Assessment by Reilly Gall - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 10:17 AM I agree with Douglas Winter that horror is definitely an emotion but I think it is a genre as well. Other genres like science fiction aren't emotions because you can't feel them but people write about horror and most horror stories can't fit in any other genres. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Curtis's Post by William Layt - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 10:18 AM Dear Dr. Margerison and 8F boys. Curtis, great ideas! I like it how you have been mentioning that horror can also be mixed with fear, bravery, heroicness, anxiousness and sadness. Another great idea is when you mention that the reader can ‘enjoy’ horror because they get hooked with the storyline and they don’t want to put the book down. They are on the edge of their seat and always want to know what happens next.

Re: Is horror an emotion or a genre? by Kobi Rutherford - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 10:20 AM I strongly agree with Winter and you Will because you should feel emotions including shock, fear, anxiousness and heroic. This definitely makes horror an emotion. In The Black Cat by Edgar Allen Poe, I was disgusted when he gouged out the cats eye. I personally don't watch horror movies as it is to horrifying for me. But people can enjoy things that are grotesque or freaky as it engrossed them in the book or movie.

Re: Forum for Assessment by Reilly Gall - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 10:25 AM Callum, I would like to bring up the topic of when you talked about how you don't like horror stories because they scare you and you that think it will occur in real life. That is what Horror genre writers aim to do; scare people with their books. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Dylan Leon - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 10:27 AM I personally believe that Douglas Winter's quote about horror not being a genre but instead an emotion because horror is too broad of subject. Horror can mean very different things to different people depending on age, lifestyle, how they were brought up and the list continues. Horror cannot be a genre in my opinion because horror could be tied into any other genre to anything. You could have a fantasy novel that would have horror, you could have a murder mystery that could have horror elements, even factual books can be very gruesome to certain people. In conclusion, horror is not a genre in my opinion, what people call horror books are books that are a different genre, but have the emotion and feeling of horror tied into them to make them scarier and more appealing to the reader. Dylan Leon Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Horror IS an EMOTION by Finn Foulds-Cook - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 10:28 AM Horror is defiantly an emotion. The horror on his face. Reading a horror book fills you with that exact emotion. The reason people want to read horror is because horror books are often filled with suspense, this can make the writer entranced, which is what lures them into more scary, adrenaline

pumping, suspense filled horror books. When a person is experiencing "horror" they are scared, worried and "horrified" (another use of the word and emotion). In conclusion Douglas winter was right. Thankyou for reading ~will be posting more later Finn Foulds-Cook Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Curtis Young - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 10:26 AM Continuing on my post earlier this morning... The genre horror is a strong emotion that is often dealt with us on a regular basis. Horror can relate to a lot of emotions. Author's like Bram Stoker who wrote Dracula clearly describes the emotions by appealing to all the 5 senses. In the passage in our textbook we worked on last week Stoker describes anger with Lucy's 'angry snarl' and what we hear like 'The child gave a sharp cry, and lay there moaning.' I think a great word to use to describe the general emotion of horror would be macabre. However our views on the emotions of horror are changing with the modernised horror genres that are developing. I feel now with video games and movies it is more gore that makes us feel dread, danger and loneliness rather than more tension and suspense that creates a more macabre feeling. 8F, what emotions do you inerperatefrom the horror genre? Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Komei Jo - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 10:26 AM Great writing Curtis! I agree how you described that horror is a unique genre and how horror stories can really grab the reader and reach into their deepest fears. Keep on posting Curtis and the students of 8F! From Komei. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 10:26 AM Callum your post was so engaging and so powerful. Your use of words were excellent and now I am convinced that 'horror' is an emotion. Keep up the good work. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Tiernan Halpin - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 10:27 AM Hi Callum, that was some solid work you have jsut written, I like how you have incorparated your personal experience with reading horror novel. You wrote you do not like reading them and how you do not enjoy them. On the other hand, I personally have a passion for reading horror stories and the thrill and adrenalin that comes with it, and engrossing yourself into the story for hours at a time. But I loved reading your work, keep it up. Thanks, Tiernan Halpin. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Callum Moffat - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 3:46 PM

Hi Dr. Margerison and 8-F, Lately, I have been researching the phrase that ‘Horror is an emotion’ and wanted to found out more on its origin. I then found that it was actually in his 1982 anthology Prime Evil, that Douglas Winter stated that, "Horror is not a genre, like the mystery or science fiction or the western. It is not a kind of fiction, meant to be confined to the ghetto of a special shelf in libraries or bookstores. Horror is an emotion." Additionally, when discussing the emotion of ‘horror’, you will find that the author writes a novel, aiming at a specific audience/age group and from this, they can establish this emotion, aiming at the typical frightening characters/scenes that will scare this particular section of readers. For an example, a scene aimed at an audience of young children could be a ghost jumping out of a cupboard. For a collection of young adults/teenagers, a frightful scene could be a coven of vampires attacking a group of citizens in a small, American town. Finally, a scene that could scare an audience of adults/elderly people, would be a serial-murderer/rapist on the loose and a exhilarating police chase to catch him/her. From reading this, it is fascinating to find that the scenes aimed at each age group usually involve people of that same age. When you analyse this information, in a way, it is logical that this would be engaging to the audience. For an example, if there was a young, 2-year-old ghost, threatening to kill young children, that was aimed at adult, mature readers, it would not make sense. Adults don’t want to read about young children fighting other young children or teenage spies infiltrating organisations. They want to read about adults fighting adults or adult spies abolishing enemy corporations. To summarise this, young children mainly experience the emotion of ‘horror’ through simple, childish and frankly unsophisticated ways, through the eyes of older people. For teenagers, they experience the ‘horror’ emotion slightly more maturely than children and for adults, it is much more sophisticated. The topics are more ghastly, uncanny and cadaverous than the younger age groups, which makes sense. I’m not necessarily saying that young children are not characters in adult books or teenagers are not characters in children’s novels, it’s just that it is more common for the characters in a book, aimed at a certain age group, are of the that age. In addition to this, relating back to my earlier posts, it is intriguing to find how horror has developed from the early ages/eras to now. But it is also interesting to think about how the emotion of ‘horror’ could develop and evolve in the future. To conclude this post, is a phrase by Douglas Winter, himself, in his award-winning anthology ‘Revelations’,about this emotion and how it is ever-changing. "Horror is that which cannot be made safe -- evolving, ever-changing -- because it is about our relentless need to confront the unknown, the unknowable, and the emotion we experience when in its thrall." Thanks and kind regards, Callum Moffat. 8-F

Above: The famous author, Douglas Winter.

RE: Jesse Rutherford's post by Callum Moffat - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 3:57 PM Hi Jesse, Thank you for your kind and thoughtful comments towards my work. I really appreciate this. Just on this note, I would like to point out that you stated that you 'saw the word ENJOYMENT and you really didn't think that that was correct.' I totally agree with you and if you actually read my full post, you will find that I stated that 'I don’t know if ‘enjoyment’ would necessarily be the correct word to describe the emotions, the reader feels when reading a horror publication, I’d rather perhaps say nourish or passion, possibly being an enthusiast or admirer for the emotion of ‘horror’. Please do not take this the wrong way, that I am meaning any inconvenience or disrespect to you in any way, as I am not. Thanks for reading! Kind regards, Callum Moffat. 8-F Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Horror is not a Feeling by Arshar Nelson - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 5:24 PM

Dear Everyone on this forum, Horror is not a feeling, although I did get persuaded by Callum that it is, it isn't. You can feel dread and scared but all horror does is just releases adrenaline. Yes it is convincing that horror is a feeling but it is a genre nothing that we can feel. In the university of Oregon they have a forum similar to this but on that forum they were talking about how horror is not a feeling and we need pictures or sound (or a really easy to scare audience) to actually make something horror and macabre. Written by: Arshar Nelson Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Tyler Norvock - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 6:10 PM I personally believe that horror is a genre. Horror to me is a genre when a movie/book is too frightening than any other genre. Horror movies usually have scary aspects like jumpy moments; scary characters such as ghosts, vampires werewolves etc. Usually the movie is in a spooky setting like a haunted house or graveyard. The things that every horror movie/book has to have is suspense, this is what builds tension in the book/movie. If there was no horror genre, all these great movies would probably fit into sci-fi or action. To me this would not make sense because action has more of a story line where horror is just kill, kill, kill! So all together, I believe that horror is a genre and not an emotion. Tyler Norvock Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Reilly Gall's Post by Callum Moffat - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 7:29 PM Hi Reilly, Thank you for contributing to the Forum and asking me questions about my posts, in turn continuing the conversation. I find this fascinating that you stated that 'I would like to bring up the topic of when you talked about how you don't like horror stories because they scare you and you that think it will occur in real life. That is what Horror genre writers aim to do; scare people with their books.'

I'm sorry to say Reilly, but I totally disagree with you, about this statement. In a way, I can understand your thoughts and ideas, but on the other hand, I contradict them. As I stated in my first post, novels that include the emotion of 'horror' are read for different reasons, by different people. This means that not all people read novels with the emotion of ‘horror’, to try and frighten/scare themselves. The audience can read ‘horror’ stories with the intention of escaping to a different world, to make them appreciate the standard-of-living they have, compared to the characters in the book and around the world. Furthermore, people can also read novels with the ‘horror’ emotion, with the intention to experience different feelings/expressions. Some of these may be, to experience anger, disgust, surprise, sadness, joy, pity, envy, respect, hope etc. Thanks for reading! Kind regards, Callum Moffat. 8-F

Above: Some of the different types of facial expressions we demonstrate when reading a novel including the emotion of 'horror'.

Re: Reilly Gall's Post by Callum Moffat - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 7:36 PM Hi Reilly, I was intrigued when I read your post on the emotion of ‘horror’, with regards to other different novels; ‘Other genres like science fiction aren't emotions because you can't feel them but people write about horror and most horror stories can't fit in any other genres.’ If it is okay with you, I would be very interested in you expanding on your opinion of why other genres like science fiction aren’t emotions.

I would be thankful of any replies I and 8-F receive. Thanks and kind regards, Callum Moffat. 8-F

Re: Reilly Gall's Post by Callum Moffat - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 7:49 PM Hi Dr. Margerison and 8-F, Firstly, before I start my post, I would just like to let most of the boys in this class, that you spell my name Callum, not Callam, which is the way you spell Callam Clegg’s name. Sorry for any inconvenience. Getting back to it, while reading through the many posts created by our class, I was astounded to find a topic, involving two different people, with completely opposite views. These statements are with regards to ‘horror’ being a genre. The comment that Reilly first posted was that ‘Other genres like science fiction aren't emotions because you can't feel them but people write about horror and most horror stories can't fit in any other genres.’ Following this, I then read Dylan’s statement, ‘Horror cannot be a genre in my opinion because horror could be tied into any other genre to anything.’ I think that it would be interesting if we had a debate, either in class or on the forum, regarding this topic and involving the whole class. I would be interested to hear other students view on this. Thanks for reading! Kind regards, Callum Moffat. 8-F

Above: A fierce debate

All of 8F's posts by William Layt - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 8:00 PM Dear 8F Boys Great work 8F! There is some amazing ideas and feedback here! We are encouraging eachother and we're discussing in a strong way. There is some good choices of language here. It is very good that some of us are using examples for our ideas such as, Kobi talking about the Black Cat. Keep on posting, William Layt Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Tiernan Halpin - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 8:11 PM

Dear Dr Margerison and boys of 8F, According to Douglas Winter, "Horror is not a genre, like the mystery or science fiction or the western. It is not a kind of fiction, meant to be confined to ...... a special shelf in libraries or bookstores. Horror is an emotion." I most strongly agree with this statement made by the horror writer Douglas Winter. Horror is not a genre it is a emotion, it really makes you think. Horror not like other writing genres, it is simply not just pages of words that someone has written that explains a story. It is whole nother level than just a story, it is something that connects with you, something that can totally change your mentality and how think and go about your life, horror is a emotion. As the words you read venture through your memory in mission to connect to your deepest darkest fears. I believe that some people would enjoy reading horror stories for several reasons such as it takes you away to another world where day to day life is total nosense and that the fear that comes with reading horror can really make you have an adrenalin rush as your mind begins to play trick on you. "Pigeons from Hell" by Robert E.Horward, in regard to a story I have read recently "Pigeons from Hell" is a story that will give any reader nightmares. With the background set in the late 1930's

Howard uses a creepy dark old mansion in the deep south of Carolina as the background setting, where it is left for the unknown to wander. Thankyou, Tiernan Halpin

Re: Forum for Assessment by Reilly Gall - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 8:15 PM Very good writing Curtis. Your use of language was meticulous. You said that horror can relate to many emotions. Although that is true, I believe that horror actually is an emotion, not just a genre that relates to emotions. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Reilly Gall's Post by Tiernan Halpin - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 8:37 PM Hi Callum, I have read your post and I believe it is honest feedback. But firstly I would like to point out, you have given your opinion that the horror writers intenton is not to scare or frighten the reader. I can most certainly assure you that the aim of a horror author is to fear or scare the reader. If given more thought, do you actually think an author's intention is to write a horror story to make the reader feel comfortble or happy? Thank you Tiernan Halpin. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Oliver Todd - Thursday, 9 May 2013, 9:26 PM WOW Callum, William and Curtis, your replies were astonishing, I really agree with your ideas...

I personally find that horror is an emotion because it truly makes you feel different. When a person is reading or even watching a horror story, it feels like a macabre, foreign sensation bursting into your stomach, making you nervous and disturbed with the surroundings around you. I acknowledge Douglas Winter and his thoughts of people “enjoying” the theme horror but I personally think the appropriate word would along the lines of “entertainment,” not enjoyment. A perfect example of a horror story that many people find “entertaining” is Stephan’s Kings masterpiece, “The Shining.” This novel is mainly about Jack, a normal writer with considerably major drinking and temper problems. Jack soon is fired from his usual job as a school teacher and becomes a winter caretaker at the Overlook Hotel, an isolated resort in the Colorado Rockies. He soon becomes remarried with a nice wife and 5-year-old son. The son has a telepathic mind and sees the worst. Sometimes, the unknown or mysterious (like the five-year-old son) is what many people find “entertaining.” Although taking into consideration that sometimes the mysterious become confusing and If and/or baffling author of such experience as Stephan King, a good storyline could potentially be accomplished. With a wide range of horror stories being written in this era, I strongly admire the form in which Douglas Winter describes the genre horror in and should be recognised all around the world as a genre and emotion. Oliver Todd 8F.

Re: Forum for Assessment by Tyler Sherline - Friday, 10 May 2013, 7:12 AM Hello Dr Margerison and boys I 100% agree with Douglas Winter that horror is an emotion. G. Richard Thompson states that: “The Gothic romance seeks to create an atmosphere of dread by combining terror with horror and mystery. Terror suggests the frenzy of physical and mental fear of pain,dismemberment, and death. Horror suggests the perception of something evil or morally repellent. Mystery suggests something beyond this, the perception of a world that stretches away beyond the range of human intelligence – often morally incomprehensible – and thereby productive of a nameless apprehension that may be called religious dread in the face of the wholly other. When in Gothic literature this sense of mystery is joined with terror or horror, the effects of each expand beyond ordinary fear or repugnance.”

I believe people do enjoy horror books and movies because while you're watching it, it pumps a lot of adrenaline around your body. People may also like it because once the movie or book is over they can often laugh at how scared he/she was. I personally love watching horror movies with a large group of people because during the movie we are all petrified and after it we can all laugh about how scared we were. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Komei Jo - Friday, 10 May 2013, 8:51 AM Hi Oliver! Great persuasive writing! I really like how you stated that people are entertained by horror rather than people enjoying horror. Also great job providing an example. Keep up the good job Oliver and other members of 8F! Regards, Komei Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Tyler Norvock - Friday, 10 May 2013, 8:52 AM Hi Tyler, Very good work. I like how you used quotes to back up your arguments. I noticed that you used the word dismemberment, I really like that word. Dismemberment means the removal of limbs; being cut to pieces. Nice work and keep doing good posts!

Re: Forum for Assessment by James Dwyer - Friday, 10 May 2013, 9:04 AM Callum I agree with you that people with the same sex would like that type of horror because their are two theories to explain why people like type of horror movies. The first is that the person is not actually afraid, but excited by the movie. The second explanation is that they are willing to endure the terror in order to enjoy a euphoric sense of relief at the end. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Finlay Kroon - Friday, 10 May 2013, 9:06 AM Hello Dr Margerison and Class, Firstly, I would like to say that I am truly and genuinely surprised by the quality of text that 8F has produced so far in this topic. We have all improved so much over the last term and I believe that the forum has played a major role in the improvement of our communication skills. Keep up the great work! Anyhow, I am certain that “horror” is an emotion as well as a genre. Horror is an emotion because the reader/watcher feels something unique when reading/watching a “horror” movie or book. That feeling is somewhat indescribable. Horror is also a genre because it is completely unique to any other category and actually quite a popular one! Personally, it is not my favourite genre because I would rather not be traumatized by a scary scene of Saw, whereas, I would love to laugh at a hilarious skit of Mr Bean. -Finlay Kroon 8F Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

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by Dylan Leon - Friday, 10 May 2013, 9:18 AM So Oliver, you are saying that horror is both a genre and an emotion? As you said above," I strongly admire the form in which Douglas Winter describes the genre horror in and should be recognised all around the world as a genre and emotion." Are you implying that Douglas Winter is a writer that could make horror both a genre and an emotion, and if so, is he the only writer to be able to do this, and if this is the case, what makes his books so special? Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Tyler Sherline - Friday, 10 May 2013, 9:16 AM Hi Tyler Norvock Nice work Tyler I really liked your post. I agree with you when you say "Horror to me is a genre when a movie/book is too frightening than any other genre." That is very true, people are often too scared to read or watch a horror book or movie. When you say "The things that every horror movie/book has to have is suspense." I agree with this but would you agree that sometimes horror movies and books have too much suspense which makes slightly comic. Keep up the good work! -Tyler Sherline Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Curtis Young - Friday, 10 May 2013, 9:24 AM Hi Oliver, The passage written above on the 'enjoyment of horror' is a very persuasive point. It is great how we are providing evidence to our thoughts 8F. I think that the entertainment is a very good word for the reason of reading horror. With Callum's thought on how he isn't interested in horror is a good point to bring up. Providing a a valid reason that I agree with. I understand Tiernan how you are enteratained and intrigued by horror story lines and so are a lot of other people. I personally don't

like watching or reading gothic horror that the talented Stephen King writes. Storylines that are similar to Frankenstein, The Enemy and Dracula I am not interested in. I really thought Ji that the point on horror being a 'sub-genre' was great. Horror elements are in most good stories and movies. Otherwise we wouldn'y create suspense and tension. Even Action thrillers have horror elements that creates the icing on the cake. I think of all the movies I have recently seen and think that Steven Spielberg is a master of this. Super 8 is described in a review on the internet as: Super 8 is a 2011 American science fiction-thriller-horror film produced by Steven Spielberg. What do you think class as horror elements in all thrillers.

Re: Forum for Assessment by Oliver Hall - Friday, 10 May 2013, 9:18 AM Great Job Tyler, very well written and described. "Horror is a painful and intense fear, dread, or dismay." I believe that people read horror for the tension before the actual horrifying bit, that is what makes so them so scary. The reason behind this is that you dont know just what is going to happen, your mind will make things up that will seem terrifying to you. Certain authors use this to their advantage by creating something horrible and scary but not revealing what it is so that the readers can make it up by their self. The Horror genre also uses the idea of lonelieness but sometimes also romance for example in alot of Edgar Allan Poe short stories. Poe, along with alot of other authors, also uses the concept of madness in their books which helps explain and illustrate the terrible, horrible and awful things done. Horror also uses the act of surprise and sudden out of the ordinary happenings that give the reader a shock that gives the an adrenaline shot. This makes them keep on reading becuase they are excited and thrilled. Overall i believe that the purpose of horror stories is to make the reader feel frightened about the events in the book by giving them that tension and lonelieness before something bad happens and the surprise when that thing happens. Certain authors achieve that very well and it keeps the audience coming back for more. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Tyler Norvock - Friday, 10 May 2013, 9:18 AM I agree with you 100% Tyler Sherline sometimes horror books and movies do have too much suspense. Thanks for the feedback Tyler Norvock Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Hadleigh Green - Friday, 10 May 2013, 9:23 AM I think that Mr. Douglas Winter over made a very valid point, but it does have some flaws. Horror is definitely an emotion or feeling but it is also a genre. Although cannot "feel sci-fi" or “feel action”. Horror is definitely a genre because it is the perspective you look at it by. A genre is “A category of artistic composition, as in music or literature, characterized by similarities in form, style, or subject matter.” Horror is just the name it is given, it doesn’t mean the name has to be restricted to one meaning. Horror is a feeling, true. But it is most definitely a genre. You can have mixes of genres, and you can also mix horror. ‘Horror sci-fi’ so maybe Alien? Horror is an emotion and feeling. Horror is a genre. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Reilly Gall's Post by Oscar Butler - Friday, 10 May 2013, 9:23 AM callum i am curious about your thoughts on the picture "A science-fiction world, where emotions may be or may not be?" i find this quite intruging that you think no emotions would exist in this possible science fiction world.without emotions they would not of seen the awe that the spear shaped buildings look like. they would not of made any of the vehicles or buildings shown as they would have no desire to and the only buildings they would have would be dull and bland ones. but it is a good thought and topic. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Callum Moffat - Friday, 10 May 2013, 9:32 AM Hi Dr. Margerison and 8-F, Before I start, I would like to congratulate the class on all of our tremendous posts. Getting back to my post, I just thought I’d mention a post that I have recognised, that is very similar to another post, I read. Firstly, a student in this class (Not naming names to cause any disrupt or harm) posted on Thursday, 9 May 2013, 8:11 PM, stating that ‘I believe that some people would enjoy reading horror stories for several reasons such as it takes you away to another world where day to day life is total nonsense and that the fear that comes with reading horror can really make you have an adrenalin rush as your mind begins to play trick on you.’ As a read over this, I swore that I had read a similar post earlier. So I read over the posts before this and realised that at Thursday, 9 May 2013, 7:29 PM, a student posted that ‘The audience can read ‘horror’ stories with the intention of escaping to a different world, to make them appreciate the standard-of-living they have, compared to the characters in the book and around the world. I mean no offense or inconvenience to any of these posters or their comments. Thanks for reading! Kind regards, Callum Moffat. 8-F

Re: Horror is not a Feeling by Ji Rogelja - Friday, 10 May 2013, 9:31 AM You look at it a very different way Arshar, although maybe it is a good way. Horror isn't an emotion, it is a way to create fear.

Re: Forum for Assessment by Callam Clegg - Friday, 10 May 2013, 9:41 AM I completely agree with you that horror is an emotion but I think that horror doesn't have to always be an emotion. Also i do not agree with G Richard Thompson I believe that gothic romance is not horror, have you ever heard of romantic horror? Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Oliver Todd - Friday, 10 May 2013, 6:21 PM No, defiantly not. I am just implying that Douglas Winterâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s statement incredibly powerful. Taking into consideration that he has done two books with Famous writer Stephan King, I would most definitely have to read one of his book. I am also saying that the way he describes horror is an incredibly thorough explanation. Thank you Dylan for the nice question. Oliver Todd. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

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by Oliver Todd - Friday, 10 May 2013, 6:24 PM Callam, I find that statement 100% accurate. G Richard Thompson was partially correct. "Gothic Romance" normally is based on a main heroic character, a protagonist and nemours supernatural themes. These supernatural themes could consist of, ghosts, vampires and zombies. I agree that the genre â&#x20AC;&#x153;Gothic Romanceâ&#x20AC;? is incredibly strange and should be recognised plainly as a horror. Oliver Todd. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Oliver Todd - Friday, 10 May 2013, 6:31 PM That is a considerably power point you have made there. Anybody who plagiarises should face consequences as it is STEALLING. Oliver Todd. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Is horror an emotion or a genre? by Jill Margerison - Friday, 10 May 2013, 7:30 PM Hi Will and 8F, I am intrigued. You have focused on a very significant part of the horror genre and that is the "evil eye." For many cultures, the "evil eye" is supposed to bring bad luck or to cause injury and in order to protect against ominous events happening, amulets were often crafted and worn. In Bram Stoker's novel Dracula, there is reference to the evil eye in the first chapter ..... When we started, the crowd round the inn door, which had by this time swelled to a considerable size, all made the sign of the cross and pointed two fingers towards me. With some difficulty, I got a fellow passenger to tell me what they meant. He would not answer at first, but on learning that I was English, he explained that it was a charm or guard against the evil eye. I wonder whether anyone in 8F will incorporate the "evil eye" in their narrative this term? Great posting Will - JM

Re: Forum for Assessment by Jill Margerison - Friday, 10 May 2013, 11:45 PM Hi Tyler, I agree that you have picked up on an interesting word - that of 'dismemberment'. In Gothic Horror our Pearson text suggested that scientific words were regularly used in this style of fiction. What other words from the horror excerpts that we have read in class instill horror and dread in our minds? Speaking of Gothic Horror in this post, I also notice that Ji highlights the notion of hyper-genres or sub-genres and suggests that horror elements can be detected amongst many different genres. He suggests horror can be found in science fiction or fantasy. He also argues that horror can be found in the romance genre. How does 8F perceive some children's fairy stories? I might ask you just to quietly think about this question and not post a response until tomorrow .... I want to open up a new discussion forum that incorporates children's literature and the horror genre based on this question .... but we will think about this tomorrow. JM Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Jill Margerison - Saturday, 11 May 2013, 12:01 AM Lovely synthesis of ideas and 'posts' here Oliver. The Shining is a 'classic' horror film that certainly provides entertainment in playing on the viewer's feelings of fear and dread of the unknown. This film was directed by a very well-known film director called Stanley Kubrick - actually Kubrick is often referred to as one of the greatest filmmakers of all time. He was noted for being a perfectionist which I am sure would have been a great asset in his attention to the detail of the genre horror. To be honest with the class members of 8F, however, I don't like anticipating or witnessing possible disaster or harm coming to others (even on TV), so I have never seen the movie The Shining. Callum, I think you also mentioned that you don't enjoy the horror genre. I agree with you - I also feel quite

disturbed when I imagine haunting scenes and macabre events. The horror genre is far-removed from my life and I am very happy to keep it that way! So what makes people want to read about horror? What makes people want to be sacred by tales of the inexplicable? These questions are significant because as Arshar very astutely reminds us in this forum, stories of horror and the macabre have been around since ancient times. So there is perhaps a psychological link to the genre of horror. Reilly also poses key questions about why we are motivated to view or read horror in his post on Thursday. Good work Reilly. Horror genre writers aim to scare people and the business of 'horror' is big! Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Reilly Gall's Post by Jill Margerison - Friday, 10 May 2013, 11:49 PM What an intriguing image - a futuristic world? There have been some wonderful responses in written text and images to the questions posed. Well done to Tyler N.for discussing the issue of suspense and tension. I hope that everyone is building an element of suspense into their narratives? Also well done to Tyler S. for supporting Tyler N but also asking whether sometimes too much suspense can be slightly comical. We certainly have to get the balance right don't we. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Jill Margerison - Saturday, 11 May 2013, 12:12 AM Yes Jesse and also Finn, Oscar, Oliver Hall, Dylan, Komei,Tiernan, James, Vikram and Oliver Todd you are right and I thank you for your generous comments to classmates. There is a lot of inspiration and learning from reading other people's work. Well done Callum - I endorse the sentiments of others. There are some wonderful insights and critical analysis of the questions posed so far. Excellent work to you all. I must also commend Will and Kobi for 'jumping in' as the first respondents to this forum. Being the first people to begin an online discussion (particularly for assessment) is often quite a daunting task

but you both 'kicked off' the online dialogue brilliantly. (Note that the informal language is placed in ' ') Can I also congratulate the people who posted pictures in this forum? Callum - there are some great images of horror, authors and 'the debate' that you have shared with us. The one of Douglas E. Winter is a favourite of mine - thank you to Will for posting this also. It is so important to put a picture to a name ( or a name to a picture!). Arshar, thank you for reminding us that horror can be traced back to the text of The Arabian Nights. Thinking about how ideas originate is very important. Also Callam and Oliver Todd, you mentioned zombies and vampires.... this is something that we could explore further.(Stay tuned 8F) Curtis, good work for highlighting the tension that Poe creates in The Raven. This was one of the first texts on horror that we read as a group and it is interesting that some texts such as this invite 'parody'. The Raven has been referenced and parodied many, many times in contemporary literature and that is one of the reasons why we have studied it this term. (To be contd) Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Jill Margerison - Friday, 10 May 2013, 11:57 PM I will be posting a new question for 8F tomorrow ... please stay tuned in .... I am delighted with the work so far. Great contributions and a wonderful flow to this online debate. Also I have to highlight Finlay's comment here on personal choice .... yes I would much rather watch a Mr. Bean episode than Saw! Nevertheless, in debating an analysts comment on a genre of literature, 8F has done an excellent job. In fact, to conclude this 'thread' I would like to turn to Hadleigh's post. Hadleigh perhaps summarises this debate well by suggesting that whilst Winter makes a valid point, there are flaws and horror can both be felt as well as describe a genre. We will move on with our discussion over the weekend ... in the meantime, if you have not commented on this 'thread' please do so. I will keep reading over the posts that have been written and replying to individual members as I think over their work. I will open a new post tomorrow around lunch time..... so for now 'take a break' if you have been writing .... sit back and 're-charge your writing batteries' ...... (I hope that I have mentioned everyone by name in my responses ... if I havent, it means I am still reading through the many wonderful posts and will discuss your ideas shortly) All the best JM Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Kobi Rutherford - Saturday, 11 May 2013, 11:19 AM Great work Finlay, you clearly described how horror can be an emotion or a genre. Keep up the good posts. Kobi Rutherford Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Is horror an emotion or a genre? by Oliver Todd - Saturday, 11 May 2013, 2:17 PM Same here Kobi. As you don't watch as many horror movies, I believe that you would find the "Cats Eye" with more disgust than other people that regularly watch horror movies. do you think that

Re: Reilly Gall's Post by Oliver Hall - Saturday, 11 May 2013, 2:19 PM I completely agree with you Oscar in that with no emotion i dont believe it would be possible for a society to functoin properly. Think about it, there would be no creativity, no imagination, no love. Everything would be bland, all the wonderful things in the world are based on emotion and without them there would be nothing. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Reilly Gall's Post by Jill Margerison - Saturday, 11 May 2013, 3:06 PM Oliver Hall, I really like the way you used the word 'bland' - perhaps you could even have said, "Life would be so bland...?" Yes, the world is based on human emotion and without emotions, life is nothing. Helen Keller once wrote, "The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched - they must be felt with the heart." I often think of this quote for positive emotions.

However, I also think about the quote by writer Oscar Wilde, "The heart was made to be broken" when it comes to negative emotions. With regard to the emotion of horror, the words of H.P. Lovecraft come to mind. "The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown." Lovecraft was an American author of the horror genre (as well as poet and science fiction writer.) Interesting discussion that you touch on here Oliver and Oscar. You have reminded me of some wellknown writers and some famous lines. By the way Wilde's quote is stuck on the wall of our classroom this term - did anyone notice? What do others think about the need for emotion in society? Has anybody read George Orwell's work, 1984 ? This text writes about society and emotion, however, 1984 is not placed in the horror genre, rather it is placed in what kind of literature genre? Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Ji Rogelja - Saturday, 11 May 2013, 3:34 PM I agree with you completely Finlay! I don't particularly like horror stories...

Re: Forum for Assessment by Oliver Todd - Saturday, 11 May 2013, 3:38 PM Correction --------- "Gothic Romance" normally is based on a main heroic character, a protagonist and numerous supernatural themes. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Horror is not a Feeling by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 11:24 AM Arshar, even though I think horror is an emotion I loved the way you are thinking. You observed this question in a totally different way and you are thinking 'out of the box'. You really persuaded me to think that horror is a genre. Keep up the excellent work everybody!!! Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 1/2 by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 4:17 PM Dear Dr Margerison and 8F boys, As the famous Douglas Winter said ‘Horror is an emotion’ I absolutely agree with his statement. My opinion on ‘Why people might enjoy horror’ is not because they are not scared of it. Most people watch horror films or read horror stories because the like the suspense they like the thrill and they like the adrenaline. They might also like the macabre, gruesome feeling. I have noticed when watching a horror film with friends or family it might not seem as scary if you watch it on your own. For some reason I don’t know why but the horror concept normally catches the attention of teenagers (around 13-20 years old). M thought is that teenagers are the ones who normally watch horror films, is so that they can show of at school and tell all their friends, like they achieved something. While reading a book I personally think that it is much more horrifying than watching a movie because, one, no one disturbs you and two, the reader always imagines the most horrifying thing if the he/she hasn't seen the monster/creature. That is why some people criticize movies spoiling the book because the movie might show something from a totally different perception. I totally agree with Callum Moffat that the horror emotion can be applied to most genres like romance and action. I personally don’t like horror films or books. This is because, once I watch or read something horrifying the image stays with me for a few days or even a few weeks and if I ever get reminded of it again I get extremely scared . I am sure most of you would love horror films and books. I also think (I am not a 100% sure) people who like roller-coasters, love horror based concepts, due to the fact they both are thrilling, and give an adrenaline rush. My opinion on the meaning of ‘horror is an emotion’ is that horror is described as a feeling of someone who is frightened or terrified. My point of view is action is a genre because you can’t feel action and the same applies for comedy you can’t feel comedy. However for horror you can feel ‘horrified.’

Re: Forum for Assessment by Oliver Todd - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 7:07 PM Wow Tyler, I really didn' take that aspect into consideration. Once you mentioned that, I Partially agree with you. although I find horror movie as an emotion but I can totally find the angle of which you are approaching from. I agree though, if horror was not a genre, it would be classified under an action move.I am not so sure if horror movies are based on just killing as there is normally a plot. (but is hard to understand) How do you find this? Regards Oliver Todd. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Tyler Sherline - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 8:39 PM Hi Callam I definitely agree with you when you say that horror doesn't have to always be an emotion. I havn't heard of romantic horror before I posted my post.

I just searched the Internet and romantic horror is actually a very large movie genre! Movies that fall into that genre are Zombieland, Underworld, Let Me In, Candyman, Bride of Frankenstine, Dracula, Red Riding Hood, The Twilight Saga, The Fly and Near Dark. < That was only half of the 1st page. - Tyler Sherline Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Tyler Sherline - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 8:51 PM Hello Dr Margerison We have learnt many words that instill horror and dread in our minds such as macabre, gazed, terror, atrocity, arousing and phantasm to name a few. - Tyler Sherline Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Dr. Margerison's post about the emotion of 'Horror' in Society by Callum Moffat - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 9:51 PM Hi Dr. Margerison and 8-F, I was intrigued to read about Dr. Margerison's post with regards to emotion in society and the mention of George Orwell's novel, '1984'. The questions posed by Dr. Margerison were: 'What do others think about the need for emotion in society? Has anybody read George Orwell's work, 1984 ?'

'This text writes about society and emotion, however, 1984 is not placed in the horror genre, rather it is placed in what kind of literature genre?' My answers to your questions, Dr. Margerison are below: Q: 'Has anybody read George Orwell's work, 1984 ?' A: I, personally, have not read '1984', but am interested about the story and the importance of lessons you can take from it, relating to life. I'm not sure if anybody in this class has read another of George Orwells' novels, 'Animal Farm'. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.’This is also a very significant and important book, relating to life. Q: 'This text writes about society and emotion, however, 1984 is not placed in the horror genre, rather it is placed in what kind of literature genre?' A:After researching this novel and its origin, I have discovered that it is placed in multiple genres; Dystopian, political fiction and social science fiction. Definition of ‘Dystopian’: An imaginary place where everything is as bad as it can be.’ Definition of ‘Political fiction’: Political fiction is a sub-genre of fiction that deals with political affairs. Political fiction has often used narrative to provide commentary on political events, systems and theories. Works of political fiction often "directly criticize an existing society or... present an alternative, sometimes fantastic, reality." Definition of ‘Social Science Fiction’: Social science fiction is a sub-genre of science fiction concerned less with technology and space opera and more with sociological speculation about human society. In other words, it "absorbs and discusses anthropology", and speculates about human behavior and interactions. Q: 'What do others think about the need for emotion in society? A: I believe that there is a very important meaning of emotion, in society today. Think about it, imagine if each human being could not express emotions, could not express feelings, love, happiness, sadness, joy and friendship. The world would be so boring and we would basically, be robots. (We also would not be able to express emotions through ‘horror’ writing. Just thought to point it out). Thanks and kind regards, Callum Moffat. 8-F

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Re: Forum for Assessment by Callam Clegg - Monday, 13 May 2013, 10:55 AM Even though I don't really have the experience to argue with you but I have never heard of the topic of gothic romance or romantic horror. Could you please suggest some I might like to read? Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Is horror an emotion or a genre? by William Layt - Monday, 13 May 2013, 11:03 AM Hi Dr. Margerison and 8F boys I think that including the 'evil eye' in our horror stories is a great idea because it brings in a 'devilish' theme to the story. Keep on posting boys! William Layt Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 1/2 by Ji Rogelja - Monday, 13 May 2013, 11:04 AM I think you might be on to something there Vikram, I think, overall horror is an emotion, but also a genre. By the way, good work 8F, reading this forum, you wouldn't know we were so young! Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Is horror an emotion or a genre? by Kobi Rutherford - Monday, 13 May 2013, 11:04 AM Oliver, I agree with you that people who watch horror movies less would increase their chance of being disgusted or horrified by things classified in the horror genre. Kobi Rutherford

Re: Forum for Assessment by Tiernan Halpin - Monday, 13 May 2013, 11:09 AM Correction: the below post should read, I most strongly agree with this statement made by the horror writer Douglas Winter. Horror is not a genre it is a emotion, it really makes you think. Horror not like other writing genres, it is simply not just pages of words that someone has written that explains a story. It is whole different level then just a story, it is something that connects with you, something that can totally change your mentality and how think and go about your life, horror is a emotion. As the words you read venture through your memory in mission to connect to your deepest darkest fears. I believe that some people would enjoy reading horror stories for several reasons; such as it takes you away to another world where day to day life is total nonsense. Also that the fear that comes with reading horror can really give you an adrenalin rush as your mind begins to play trick on you. "Pigeons from Hell" by Robert E.Horward, a story that I have read recently, lt will give any reader nightmares. With the background set in the late 1930's Howard uses a creepy dark old mansion in the deep south of Carolina as the background setting, where it is left for the reader to explore Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 1/2 by Kobi Rutherford - Monday, 13 May 2013, 11:12 AM I strongly agree with Winter and you Will because you should feel emotions including shock, fear, anxiousness and heroic. This definitely makes horror an emotion. In The Black Cat by Edgar Allen Poe, I was disgusted when he gouged out the cats eye. I personally don't watch horror movies as it is to horrifying for me. But people can enjoy things that are grotesque or freaky as it engrossed them in the book or movie. Kobi Rutherford Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 1/2 by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Monday, 13 May 2013, 11:18 AM Correction the above post (first paragraph, second sentence) should read 'Most people watch horror films or read horror stories because they like the suspense they like the thrill and they like the adrenaline.' Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 1/2 by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Monday, 13 May 2013, 11:20 AM Correction the above (second paragraph, second sentence) post should read 'That is why some people criticize movies spoiling the book because the movie might show something from a totally different perception. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

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Re: Forum for Assessment by Tiernan Halpin - Monday, 13 May 2013, 11:39 AM Yes I do believe plagarism is not a good trait, but Callam if you could define what plagirsm is? Also that is two very different statements as one is; different world and the other is another world. If you honestly believe if two people have just used one word in common, and you think that is plagirism, ok then. Thanks, Tiernan Halpin. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 1/2 by Jesse Rutherford - Monday, 13 May 2013, 4:54 PM Hello Dr. Margerison and classmates I definitely agree with Douglas Winter that horror is an emotion. In the dictionary, Horror means an intense feeling of fear or a thing causing a feeling of horror. It never says anything about horror being genre. When I read or watch horror movies and books I find them scary and I feel like that it will actually happen to me. This is a feeling of horror. I think that a lot of people get mixed up with horror and action or violence. Sometimes when I am reading a horror book, I enjoy it because it has action in it and a few scary moments but its not that bad. So I think to myself, why is it a horror story when I didnâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;t find it that scary? Well, it had more action then horror. In English, our teacher also said to not get mixed up with horror and action in our horror story. So I think that there shouldn't be a genre called horror and just called it horrifying action or violence. Jesse Rutherford Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

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by Marko Savic - Monday, 13 May 2013, 6:00 PM Hello mam, I too believe horror is more of an emotion and feeling rather than a genre. Horror is to me something I feel when I read horror stories. It evokes an emotion of its own. As a reader I am more interested in todays modern horror as it is easier for me to understand. One book that I have really enjoyed reading is 'The Shining'. Even though I am not a fan of horror this book has been quite interesting. Jack Torrance in the story is a writer and has a bad temper and drinking problems. This is a nasty combination. Everyone knows that something bad will happen, you just dont know what. I never would have guessed that he would have broken his son's arm. When this event happened it evoked horror from me. I think that people might enjoy horror because it is something different and because it is the mystery that is actually quite captavating and interesting. The essence of surprise and tension is what I think interests people in horror. Also what might draw in people is that its different from a everyday normal happy life and is quite the opposite of a normal life. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Tiernan Halpin - Monday, 13 May 2013, 7:30 PM I totally agree with you Finlay, I like how you described in detail your feeling about reading horror and how you would prefer to read something more comfortable and more at ease, then horror. Good Job, keep up the great posts. Tiernan Halpin. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Monday, 13 May 2013, 8:24 PM I absolutely agree with you Finlay Keep up the excellent work.

!!! Now I believe it is true that horror is a genre and an emotion.

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 1/2 by Lachlan Read - Monday, 13 May 2013, 8:52 PM Hello Class I am of the opinion that horror is both a genre and an emotion as I think horror as an emotion refers to a a deep feeling that exists within us when we read or experience something that repulses us almost physically and exists resonating deep within our mind that comes out as the emotion we call horror. It as a genre however I believe is the human attempt to imitate and spark that emotion on the physical plane and thus it shares the same name. I have never had the stomach for horror movies personally but of some that I have watched it does seem that horror and gore, as well as action is jumbled together in one big mess and only some directors are able to distinguish the difference between them and truly pull off a horror movie. A lot of the existing movies today have failed to capture the truly wonderful element of horror correctly with most subelements intact in favour of horrifying acts or scenes. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 1/2 by Jesse Rutherford - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 4:49 PM This is absolutely FANTASTIC seeing everyone posting and 8F having 97 posts in 5 or so days. I'd like to see how many the other classes did. FANTASTIC JOB Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 1/2 by Komei Jo - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 6:06 PM Well done class!!! We did an absolute awesome job in discussing the questions over the past 6 days. Congratulation to all those who contributed!!! Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 1/2 by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 7:02 PM Hi 8F This post is the 100th post. All of you should feel extremely happy to produce this amount of work in about 5-6 days. We have reached a milestone !!! I am sure Dr Margerison is happy with the work we produced within the last week. Congratulations (as Komei said) to everyone who contributed to this forum. Vikram Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 1/2 by Jill Margerison - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 7:06 PM Vikram - yes I am very impressed with the quality of the writing by students in 8F. Thank you all so much for your wonderful contributions. Helen Keller once said, â&#x20AC;&#x153;Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much.â&#x20AC;? I feel that over the past six days on the forum, we have achieved an incredible amount of collective learning through cyber-teamwork. All the best for a few more posts this evening .... I look forward to tuning in until the midnight hour strikes, until the clock hands turn to twelve, until the tapping fingers on the keys are silenced ... for now,I bid you adieu ... JM Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 1/2 by Rohan Hagbeck - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 7:40 PM Dear Dr. Margerison and 8F, I agree with Winter that "Horror" is an emotion, not a genre. I believe this because reader can feel many different types of horror. Some people may not even feel horror when they read because they have read or seen scarier books. If two readers read the same book, with "Horror" as it's genre, one reader may believe that it is a horror book while the other will find the book delightful and soothing. Thank you for reading, Rohan Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 1/2 by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 10:05 PM Dear Dr Margerison and 8F I just wanted to give everyone a bit of information on Douglas Winter. Douglas Winter was born on October the 30th 1950 (bit suspicious that he was born one day before Halloween and is a horror writer) in St Louis Missouri, United States. He had a lifelong passion of horror which led him to write horror stories. He has also written a biography of Stephen King. A few books by him are 'Prime Evil,'(published in 1998) 'Revelations'(published in 1997) and 'Run (published in 2000).' Vikram Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 10:15 PM Hi Tyler I do see where you are coming from and I understand what you mean. Now I am 'sitting on the fence' about whether horror is an emotion or a genre. You put up some really good points there especially the one where you said if 'horror is not a genre it would fall under the category of action or sci-fi and this doesn't make sense.' Great work Tyler

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You are logged in In the first forum for assessment (Thursday and Friday 9th and 10th May), the question evoked some in-depth and thoughtful responses regarding the genre horror. I was most pleased with the development of the discussion. Well done to everyone who contributed. I would now like to turn the discussion to a claim forwarded by horror novelist, Stephen King. King claims that horror films are like fairy tales in function. Do you agree with King? Explore the similarities and differences between the horror genre and traditional fairy tales. What connections do you find? Support your argument with examples. Refer to some of the stimulus material below or add your own. Edit | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for assessment day - Weekend Question by Kobi Rutherford - Saturday, 11 May 2013, 11:37 AM Stephen King is definitely on the money by saying horror is like a fairy tale because in most fairy tales there is a protagonist just like horror. They also include unnatural features in both genres. For example in Little Red Riding Hood, the protagonist is the wolf. The wolf pretends to be he grandmother so that she comes closer, hoping to eat Little Red Riding Hood. Another fairy tale in which a protagonist is evident is in Peter Pan. Captain Hook tries to kill him numerous times which definitely puts him under the title of protagonist. This is debatable but in the early 1900s parents used fairy tales by They stating that if the children didn't go to sleep the monster in the fairy tale would come after them. So fairy tales are definitely related to horror. In fairy tales, they sometimes have unnatural or inhumane features which is also included in various horror genre books or movies. Kobi Rutherford Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for assessment day - Weekend Question by William Layt - Saturday, 11 May 2013, 12:07 PM Dear 8F and Dr. Margerison I agree with Kobi on that there is always a protagonist and an unnatural figure in both horror and fairy tales. An example, in fairytales there is fairies, dragons, trolls etc. In horror there is ghosts, vampires, werewolves etc. In most cases these stories with unnatural figures make it more interesting as you may not know what the figures are. Great posting! William Layt Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for assessment day - Weekend Question by Oscar Butler - Saturday, 11 May 2013, 1:23 PM I agree with Steven King as fairy tales are old folklore tales used to scare the more adventurous of children. they would use the stories if the children had been naughty however unlike modern day fairy tales where the protagonist survives, the old fairy tales usually involved the protagonist dying a horrible or excruciating death at the hands of the antagonist. these fairy tales were usually to the enjoyment of the adults. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for assessment day - Weekend Question by Komei Jo - Saturday, 11 May 2013, 2:36 PM Hi Dr Margerison and 8F, I completely agree with Stephan King as well as what Kobi has said about horror are like fairy tales in function. Fairy tales always have a villain commonly known as the 'bad guy'. The 'bad guy' always wants to kill or do something terrible to the protagonist. Fairy tales are similar to horror stories. The very known 'Three Little Pigs' story is a great example. The protagonists, the three little pigs, were being chased by a big bad wolf. Eventually, the three little pigs were safe when the wolf fell through the chimney of the third house and straight into a cauldron full of boiling water. The wolf quickly jumped out of the chimney and ran into the forest where he never bothered to go near the pigs again. The story had an unnatural wolf because it would have never actually been able to blow the first two houses. Fairy tales are like horror stories just for young children. - Komei Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for assessment day - Weekend Question by Callum Moffat - Saturday, 11 May 2013, 2:42 PM Hi Dr. Margerison and 8-F, Before I start my post, I would like to point out the tremendous posts that have so far been submitted to this new forum. The ideas have been very informative and well written. I congratulate Kobi, Will, Jesse and Oscar for these posts, so far.

Onto my ideas. I believe that, in a way, as Stephen King said, ‘Horror films are like fairy tales in function.’ But in a way, I also disagree with this statement. Firstly, I have been researching the topic of ‘Fairy-Tales’ and I am fascinated that in the early 1800’s, the famous, Brothers Grimm (Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm, German professors of linguistics, who became best known for collecting folk and fairy tales) produced 'Fairy-tales with dark and evil characters such as witches, trolls, goblins, and wolves. I then asked myself, ‘Why would somebody want to write a ‘Fairy-tale’ with evil, mischievous characters? Aren't ‘Fairy-tales supposed to include Princes and frogs, Queens and castles, and beautiful Princess’ that have long, blond hair? Furthermore, I then researched the definition of ‘Horror’ (An overwhelming and painful feeling caused by something frightfully shocking, terrifying, or revolting; a shuddering fear) and the definition of a ‘Fairy-tale’ (A story about fairies or other mythical or magical beings, especially one of traditional origin told and intended to/for children). From reading this, I noticed that the definition of a ‘Fairy-tale’ stated that a it could include ‘other mythical or magical beings’, which technically means, that a ‘Fairy-tale’ could feature wolves, witches, trolls etc. This therefore states, that The Brothers Grimm’s so-called ‘Fairy-tales’ were actually classed as typical, real ‘Fairy-tales’. In addition to this, I also acknowledged that the definition of a ‘Fairy-tale’ stated, that fairy-tales were traditionally ‘told and intended to/for children.’ I am intrigued about this statement, that ‘The Brothers Grimm’s included these frightful creatures in their ‘Fairy-tales’, knowing that young children were going to read their novels and most likely, become frightened by the creatures, in the books. Thinking about this further, I resulted to acquiring the knowledge of the Internet to sort out my argument and found that a website stated the following: ‘The stories of The Brothers Grimm were not intended primarily for children. Some of the tales were quite explicit and were rewritten by the brothers to better reflect what was considered appropriate for their time. Many English translations exist, but most of these are attempts to make the stories into harmless entertainments for children. The original tales are often very dark and do not make any attempt to avoid frightening their listeners, regardless of age.’ It then when on to say that, ‘Some the of the tales contain violence and prejudice,’ also stating caution, ‘Please exercise care when reading these stories to young children.’ Additionally, how can The Brothers Grimm include scary, mythical creatures in their ‘Fairy-tales’ (Definition of ‘Fairy-tales’ included: ‘told and intended to/for children’) when the website above, stated that ‘The stories of The Brothers Grimm were not intended primarily for children. Does this now mean that The Brothers Grimm’s ‘Fairy-tales’ are indeed ‘Fairy-tales’ or are they not? I would be interested to hear the views of the other students in this class, with regards to this idea/debate/argument. Thanks for reading! Kind regards, Callum Moffat.

Re: Forum for assessment day - Weekend Question by Ji Rogelja - Saturday, 11 May 2013, 3:48 PM Well, I suppose horror and fairy tales are not so far apart, they both have a centralised protagonist, an evil group, villan or monster, they have a very predictable ending. Although, fairy tales have a happy ending, in which the villan is vanquished, and in horrors the protagonist turns out dead, beaten or mentally scarred every time. Then again, to reinforce the original point, in both, the reader or viewer can scream in frustration at the screen: "Don't go in that basement!" or, "Run! He's hiding behind the door!" Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for assessment day - Weekend Question by Komei Jo - Saturday, 11 May 2013, 7:44 PM Hi Callum! First of all, great writing! I really enjoyed reading your post. I really like how you stated the definition of a fairy tale and what sort of connection it has to The Brothers Grimm's and your background research about them. My answer to your question that you wrote in the end is that probably that the meaning of fairy tales may have just changed over time. Maybe fairy tales was actually originally not intended for children. Keep on posting the awesome contents! Komei Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for assessment day - Weekend Question by Oliver Todd - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 8:50 AM Dear Dr. Magerison and the amazing class of 8F.

To start, I would like to complement on all the pots that you have "posted" this week. I cannot particularly agree with Stephan King's idea of which horror stories are like fairy tales due to the fact that fairy-tale are more related to an adventure style genre. Although "fairy tales" are normally classified as a more peaceful topic, they are really artistic and imaginative like horror stories. Also regularly in fantasy stories, something bad or horrible will occur and cause a road block. This is called a problem. This normally also occurs in horror stories as well. I admire and acknowledge Stephan King's thought, but there are quite a few elements I cannot agree with. Keep up the great posts 8F, Oliver Todd. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for assessment day - Weekend Question by Oliver Todd - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 8:52 AM I also agree with that William, I posted that there is normally a problem or "road block" that the characters will have to face. Oliver Todd Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for assessment day - Weekend Question by Curtis Young - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 11:48 AM Well done 8F on the discussion that is developing, keep it up. Reading your post Kobi from yesterday I think it is very good. I like the way you provided evidence about little red riding hood that actually has been created into a horror movie at the cinemas recently. Although the classic fairytale was wriiten by the French Charles Perrault and later rewritten by the German Brothers Grimm story was tweaked by the producers the storyline was kept in tact. This shows that the horror elements in the original story were evident since they inspired people to make it a horror movie. A basic horror element that pops out at me when thinking about the story is how the author is able to foreshadow the event so well. I also really liked the way Will and Olly how you brought up the point that in all fairytales there is a 'road block' in the story line and often in horror stories. I also think foreshadowing and things

happening in threes are common horror elements related to classic fairytales. It is clear that classic fairytales were scary for kids but now days a fairytale is more often referred as a tale told to children to amuse them about fairies and other magical fairies on online dictionaries. I guess there is still the obstacle that the fairies have to jump over in all tales. However thinking of narratives in general most have a road block that the main character or protagonist must over come for the story to be entertaining even in romance between one's relationship. I think the road block in horror stories are only scary because of the elements, mood, desription and characters added to it. Curtis Young 8F What are your thoughts on my ideas class mates?... Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Reilly Gall - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 2:28 PM I believe that horror is similar to fairy tales because in fairy tales, there is usually an antagonist that always tries to kill or hurt the protagonist. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Hadleigh Green - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 2:51 PM Stephen King makes a very excellent point and I agree with it wholeheartedly. Most horror films and fairytales are extremely similar, except adapted for a younger audience. Think of Hansel and Gretel, two kids are walking in a forest and they stumble upon a house made out of candy so they go inside. Then there's a witch that intends on eating them. Red riding hood, she prances down to her grandmas house yet her grandma already got eaten by a wolf and the wolf masquerades as her own Red's grandma in intent on eating her. It all seems very scary if you take out a few thoughts. Fairytales meet the correct prospects for a horror story, yet made initially for a younger audience. I'm sure you could imagine Saw as a childrens novel if you take out the worst bits. -Hadleigh Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Tiernan Halpin - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 3:28 PM

Hello Dr. Margerison and class of 8F, Continuing the class discussion on that horror is like fairy tales in function, stated by Stephen King. Firstly, explaining the definition of both, horror and fairy tales. Children's story about magical and imaginary beings and lands. An intense feeling of fear, shock, or disgust. Yet very different in definition as you can see above, these two writing genres do have some similarities. Starting with the medium of the genres, both have to be interpreted by the reader, as they are presented both with a narrator speaking in the background. Secondly, the content of the two separate writing styles both have, sinister morals behind them. For example; Little Red Riding Hood, as in most fairytales read to children the story has a happy ending, with the huntsman cutting open the wolf saving the grandma and young girl. But some fairytales dating back to the 10th century show that the ending is not that happy, as the wolf resembles a serial killer or rapist. Also another children’s fairytale with a deeper meaning is; Hansel and Gretel. “Now, then, Gretel,” she cried to the girl. “Let Hansel be fat or lean, tomorrow I will kill him, and cook him.” During a famine, an evil stepmother orders her husband to abandon his children in the woods, but the son, Hansel, overhears the plan, and leaves a trail of pebbles to guide him and his sister home safely. The next time they are abandoned, Hansel drops breadcrumbs, which are eaten by the birds. Lost and starving, they stumble upon a house made from gingerbread, only to be captured by the wicked, cannibalistic witch who lives inside. She enslaves Gretel and imprisons Hansel, fattening him up to eat. When she orders Gretel to heat up the oven to cook Hansel, she tricks the witch into leaning into the oven and pushes her in. The children rob the house of riches and return to their father, to find that their evil stepmother has died. So I share Stephen King’s view on how horror is like fairy tales in function. Thank You, Tiernan Halpin.

Re: Forum for assessment day - Weekend Question by Hadleigh Green - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 3:34 PM Ji That's dead on correct but remember sometimes the protagonist never does actually stop the antagonist in fairy tales. They can be quite depressing, especially for kids. Think of humpty dumpty not even all the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty together again. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Finlay Kroon - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 5:51 PM Dear Dr Margerison and class, Firstly, just a reminder to regularly save your work on Word. This morning I had finished a post, edited it but didn't save it on Word. My Internet decided to drop out just as I uploaded it and I lost all of my work. Secondly, congratulations on everyone's posts so far! They are all intriguing and they add onto previous ideas. You can tell that so much time and effort has gone into researching and writing the posts. To the question, Steven King believes that horror movies and fairy tales relate together. As previous posts have exclaimed, I believe that some elements are similar but there are definitely differences. An example of a similarity between a horror film and a fairy tale is the storyline. Storyline: Both fairy tales and horror movies follow a similar format throughout the film. First they introduce the setting and the main characters, then they have a series of "secondary problems" and finally, the "primary problem". (In horror movies the protagonist usually dies when facing the primary problem but in fairy tales, the main character "saves the day"). An example of a difference between fairy tales and horror films is the emotion. Emotion: Fairy tales are usually associated with bright colours which give off a cheerful emotion. This is the complete opposite in horror films. They are usually associated with dull colours which give off a scary emotion. Thank you for reading my post Finlay Kroon

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Curtis Young - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 6:12 PM Reilly that is so correct and I think that is the same in all action movies and books these days. However Finlay that was a great point you brought up about how the protagonist ALWAYS comes off best in action and fairytale genres and how the main character often dies, is horrified or is ingured even if he does overcome the obstacles set. I really like the paragraph you wrote Hadleigh about the audiences of the two genres. I believe that every book and movie is wrote about is set for a specific audience. This is still not to say that kids movies and books don't have horror concepts in them. For example I now find my younger brothers of Scooby Doo are still scary for children but always have the same outcome. For example in all episodes there will be a scary zombie fore shadowed at the start of the episode then at night will commit the crime and the mystery van and it's crew will bust it and find the person behind it. This seems to bring me back to Ji's point on Friday as horror being a 'sub-genre'. Curtis Keep it up Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Oliver Todd - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 6:51 PM That is completely correct Finlay. Like I said, there are certain elements of which I believe horror movies and fairy tales relate together with each other (minute though) as normally there is a problem that needs to be considered as very serious and sometimes life threatening to the protagonist and it followers. Although with the emotions, there are some elements that are similar, Eg. If the main character wins or completes a task, there is a gasp of relief from the audience. What are your thoughts on that? Oliver Todd.

Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Arshar Nelson - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 6:56 PM Oliver I completely agree when you say horror stories can relate to fairy tales. Everyone you know the song ring-a-ring-a-posie? yeah well that relates to horror about the black death so I am wondering do these things count as horror? Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Lachlan Read - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 7:03 PM I believe that when as your example suggested with the protagonist and the whole task he has to overcome they build up tenson and we, as the readers immediately latch onto that feeling of tension that often used in the case of fairytales to increase the feeling of fantasy and in horror to draw in us and make us feel the horror the protagonist feel and in some stories really get into the story and when we let out sighs of relief it is as if we are the main character Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Oliver Todd - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 7:17 PM Well Ashar, that works both ways really. It all depends on how old you are and how you take things into perspective. For example, if I was a four-year-old, I would think the song ring-a-ring-a-posie was meant to be cheerful and happy, but maybe a eighteen-year-old, I might think of it as what your saying, "BLACK DEATH." Oliver Todd. Above: Children singing to Ring-a-Ring-a-Posie. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Oliver Todd - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 7:24 PM Yes Lachlan. That is a correct statement but, I find that we are not letting out sighs of relief as if we were the main character, but more for the character.

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Lachlan Read - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 7:40 PM Hello class and Dr Margerison I would like to pose this post to put my 2 cents in, I believe Stephen king is absolutel right in his saying that fairy tales and horror is connected but I also believe he was wrong in some aspects. I think horror and fairy tales share similar plots and writing styles but it is there where the similarities diverge as i really think horror and fairy tales exist as polar opposites together and balance each other out as fairy tales are told to put children to sleep and horror would keep them awake, it is a bad example but for now it will do. anyway I will pose this question do Is this the way you think Stephen King interpreted onnected or he saw deeper? Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

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by Tyler Sherline - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 8:26 PM Hello Dr Margerison and 8F To start I agree with Steven King when he says that horror films are like fairy tales. Fairy tales are just horror stories that don't have any violent or scary words and themes. I will use little red riding hood as an example. The modernised version of little red riding hood ends by little red riding hood being saved by a woodsman but in fact in the original french version (by Charles Perrault) little red riding hood was given false instructions by the wolf when she asks the way to her grandmothers. Foolishly she took the advice of the wolf and ends up being eaten. And here the story ends. There was no woodsman or grandmother. That was just little red riding hood, most fairy tales are actually modernised versions of stories to scare children to do the right thing. Even stories such as The Little Mermaid are example of this. - Tyler Sherline

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Tyler Sherline - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 8:26 PM Hi Hadleigh I agree with you when you say fairytales are extremely similar, except adapted for a younger audience. I am guessing you have heard of the Disney movie The Little Mermaid? In the Disney version, the film ends with Ariel the mermaid being changed into a human so she can marry Eric. They marry in a wonderful wedding attended by humans and merpeople. But, in the very first version by Hans Christian Andersen, the mermaid sees the Prince marry a princess and she despairs. She is offered a knife with which to stab the prince to death, but rather than do that she jumps into the sea and dies by turning to froth. Hans Christian Andersen modified the ending slightly to make it more pleasant. In his new ending, instead of dying when turned to froth, she becomes a â&#x20AC;&#x153;daughter of the airâ&#x20AC;? waiting to go to heaven. - Tyler Sherline Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for assessment day - Weekend Question by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 8:28 PM Excellent answer Kobi I totally agree with you!!! Keep posting

Tyler's Post by William Layt - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 8:33 PM Hey Tyler and other 8F boys Nice to see you contributing to this forum. I agree with you Tyler! I have done some research and have found what modern fairy tales were originally scary. The Little Mermaid - She ends up dying in the end by turning into foam. Pinocchio - Was carved from a cursed piece of wood that screamed in pain when it was carved. Snow White - The Wicked Queen is forced to wear red hot slippers until she dies, as punishment for what she did to Snow White. Fox & the Hound - Tod is killed by the hunter, and after that, the hunter kills Copper, his own dog, as well. Beauty and the Beast - Belle's sisters in the original fairytale are evil, and are turned into statues whose eyes still work so they can see Belle's happiness forever, and be jealous. Pocahontas - She was only really 12 years old when she saved John Smith. She married someone else, and died at the age of 22 of Small Pox. Some of you may not think these are scary, but I thought I should mention these changes and modifications that modern story tellers and film makers have made to these fairy tales. Keep on posting! William Layt 8F Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Hadleigh Green - Sunday, 12 May 2013, 11:12 PM

Now something I think could be it's own discussion forum is the topic of Disney movies. Theses movies can head directly to horror if you look really deep into them, and even that they teach children horrible lessons and that they can be linked disastorous events and also how crooked they lessons they teach are. Lion King - Simba always knew that he was going to succeed his father, Mufasa, as the next Lion King. But fate liked spitting in poor little Simba's face, and his dear old dad got trampled to death by wildebeests. Of course, Mufasa's death was really caused by the evil Scar, Simba's uncle. Later, all grown up, he reclaims his thrown and Scar suffers the double whammy of falling off a cliff and getting torn apart by hyenas. So after two particularly nasty and horrendous deaths, Simba finally becomes the lion king. The Supposed Message: We all have responsibilities we can't ignore. And don't trust that creepy uncle. The Actual Message: In order for you to be successful, other people will have to pay. And ultimately, that's okay, because the ends justify the means! The Little Mermaid - Well, a clearly evil sea-witch named Ursula offers to give the naive mermaid legs in exchange for something she probably might need in the future: her voice. When Ariel makes it to shore, she realizes the evil sea lady messed with her, as her legs work with the grace of a drunken paraplegic and she can't speak. So now she must somehow make Prince Eric fall in love with her while appearing to be either mute or retarded. By some miracle, the prince takes the bait but then Ursula goes after the couple. The prince is forced to kill Ursula by stabbing her with a ship. As a result, Ariel gets both her legs and her voice. The Supposed Message: True love conquers all! The Actual Message: A little compromise with evil is okay, as long as everything works out okay in the end! Ariel loved to sing, and she sang pretty damn well. But she wanted to live on shore and find love so bad that she made a "deal" with a "devil" and "sells" her beautiful voice, or "soul" so to speak. Beauty and the Beast - After a spoiled prince pretty much tells an old beggar woman to go away, he is transformed into a beast, as it turns out the beggar is an enchantress. And she makes it very clear that until he learns to love and thus is loved in return, there will be no ladies in his life and it's just going to be him and his hand for a very long time. As luck would have it, there happens to be a woman out there named Belle with a heart big enough to share with unfortunate-looking people such as the Beast, and she's not too bad to look at either. When her father is kidnapped by the Beast, Belle offers herself in exchange for his freedom. Against all odds, they fall in love. The townspeople snap and try and kill the Beast, but because Belle admits she loves him, the Beast turns back into a man and the two live happily ever after. The Supposed Message: Treat others the way you wish to be treated! The Actual Message: Underneath the abusive exterior of your man is a loving heart he's just dying to share with you, even a little Stockholm syndrome is okay.

Although you might think I've steered of track from the horror topic this can be a very intersting part and I'm not that far away from the roots. Kids movies can have some creepy stuff in them. I could continue with Disney and Pixar's apocalypse univese and horror and what-not but I'll end it there. I also got a lot of this info from Cracked.com, there's more about this kind of thing there. -Hadleigh Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Tyler's Post by Oliver Todd - Monday, 13 May 2013, 7:33 AM Wow William, I never thought that was how the stories go! for a little kid reading fairy tales, that would of been incredibly scary. I am incredibly fascinated with all these story "modifications" the we have made over time. I find that The Little Mermaid is the most intriguing. I cannot believe that she turns into FOAM. Nice work Will. Oliver Todd. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Oliver Todd - Monday, 13 May 2013, 8:31 AM I find That Stephen King interpreted connected AND saw deeper at the same time. Stephen King is very smart and I think he would have heard that fantasy stories used to be scary. He then would have probably mixed the two together and made them am adventure story with horror elements or something along the lines of that. Oliver Todd. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Tyler's Post by Ji Rogelja - Monday, 13 May 2013, 8:35 AM

Nice research will! I never would of thought... It's pretty surprising, to find that old fairy tales were actually scary, and I think that maybe they followed the same rules as the horror genre, but just to tell a lesson instead of to release adrenalin. I think that from then, horror and fairy tales have really evolved to something different. Horror has turned into a zombie apocalypse/all adults mysteriously disappear deal, and fairy tales have turned into a happy ending, get told a lesson sort of story. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Oliver Hall - Monday, 13 May 2013, 10:41 AM Hi Hadleigh, I thought that was very well written and especially liked your description of the Lion King. I completely agree with what you are saying, in that not every thing is what it seems. As they say "dont judge a book by its cover". Another example of this is every single human being on Earth, someone might look like a terrible, mean person, they might actually be a very kind and caring person. Kind regards, Oliver Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Tyler's Post by William Layt - Monday, 13 May 2013, 10:50 AM Good work everyone. We have improved heaps since the start of the year!

Re: Forum for assessment day - Weekend Question by Kobi Rutherford - Monday, 13 May 2013, 10:57 AM Hi Callum, you never let the class down! Your posts are amazing and highly enjoyable to read. Keep up the good work. Kobi Rutherford Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

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Re: Forum for assessment day - Weekend Question by Kobi Rutherford - Monday, 13 May 2013, 11:01 AM Awesome job Oliver, great work in debating whether or not fairy tales were horror in function. Keep it up! Kobi Rutherford Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Finn Foulds-Cook - Monday, 13 May 2013, 11:18 AM I absolutely agree with Stephen king, horror takes a lot of the aspects of a fairy tale, the main character must embark to find or stop this thing, the elements of the story are often made up, so I totally agree with Stephen King. Keep up all the great work classmates Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Tyler's Post by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Monday, 13 May 2013, 11:01 AM Superb information Will!! I never knew these fairy tales would end up being so horrifying. I remember these stories when I was small and I didn't notice any of this. The one I found the most interesting was the Snow White story. This is basically torture to let someone wear red hot slippers until they die. Once again excellent information Will and keep up the good posting Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for assessment day - Weekend Question by Oliver Todd - Monday, 13 May 2013, 11:02 AM Correction: The above should read "To start, I would like to complement on all the posts that you have "posted" this week." Oliver Todd Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Tyler Norvock - Monday, 13 May 2013, 11:04 AM I agree with Steven King, fairy tales are old folklore tales. They do this to scare the more daring children. They would use the stories if children had been misbehaving however unlike modern day fairy tales where the protagonist most of the time survives, at least until the end. These fairy tales were usually to the enjoyment of the adults and older children. They usually have a protagonist, an evil group, villain or monster; they have avery predictable ending. Most of the time in fairytales they usually have a happy ending, but the villain usually dies. Tyler Norvock Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

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Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Ji Rogelja - Monday, 13 May 2013, 11:17 AM Arshar, I would rephrase that: Instead of the letter "a", did you mean the letter "I".

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Dylan Leon - Monday, 13 May 2013, 11:14 AM A great post Tyler, I also agree with you and Steven King, on the matter of fairy tales being "cute" versions of horror tales. I would like to show another example of this applying in a popular children's book, Hansel and Gretel. The modernised version of Hansel and Gretel is already quite scary by itself. Two children, Hansel and Gretel, become lost in the forest. They eventually find themselves at a gingerbread house, which belongs to a wicked witch. Then, the children become enslaved by the witch, while she prepares them for eating. They figure out that if they throw the witch into a fire, then she will die, and they will be able to escape. In an earlier French version of this tale (called The Lost Children) the witch is replaced by the devil. Now, the wicked devil is also tricked by the children, however he works it out and builds a sawhorse (a frame that supports wood for sawing) so that he can put one of the children on it so he can bleed them to death. The children then pretend to not know how to get on the sawhorse, so they get the devil's wife to demonstrate. Once the wife is lying down, the kids slash at her throat and escape from the house. This is just another example of what you have stated above, Tyler. I would say that one of the messages in this story for children is, don't get lost in the forest. -Dylan Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Ji Rogelja - Monday, 13 May 2013, 11:16 AM That's a good point Finn, horrors usually find the character embarking on a unwise journey, or, thrown in at the deep end unexpectedly. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Tyler Sherline - Monday, 13 May 2013, 11:21 AM Awesome post Hadleigh! I find it interesting that all these stories have been modernised by Disney. Most young children watch a lot of Disney movies and they don't realise what the original story was about. I personally didn't know half of the original meanings of these stories. - Tyler Sherline Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Tyler's Post by Oscar Butler - Monday, 13 May 2013, 11:34 AM good work guys keep it up!!

Re: Forum for assessment day - Weekend Question by Callam Clegg - Monday, 13 May 2013, 5:03 PM Don't you mean antagonist? A protagonist is the main character isn't it? Like in the famous children's book "Little Red Riding Hood" the protagonist would be Red Riding Hood and the antagonist would be the wolf. Also I don't agree with you that the acts of the antagonist are counted as horror because all great antagonists do scary things, that's what make them the enemy. So if fairy tales are like horror because of the antagonist, then wouldn't that make all stories with a good antagonist horror. I do agree that horror stories have the most gruesome of the antagonists. Thanks Callam Clegg Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for assessment day - Weekend Question by Callam Clegg - Monday, 13 May 2013, 5:13 PM Don't you mean antagonist? A protagonist is the main character isn't it? Like in the famous children's book "Little Red Riding Hood" the protagonist would be Red Riding Hood and the antagonist would be the wolf. Also I don't agree with you that the acts of the antagonist are counted as horror because all great antagonists do scary things, that's what make them the enemy. So if fairy tales are like horror because of the antagonist, then wouldn't that make all stories with a good antagonist horror. I do agree that horror stories have the most gruesome of the antagonists. Thanks Callam Clegg Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Marko Savic - Monday, 13 May 2013, 6:09 PM I completely agree with Ji ! Fairy-tales all have villains or protaginists (the bad guys) but in fairy-tales the good always overcomes evil unlike in horror where the good sometimes defeats evil and the villains usually leave their mark on the good which scars the good for life or even the innocent or good doesnt even beat the evil. So I suppose you can say they are similar but still have differences. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Jesse Rutherford - Monday, 13 May 2013, 6:19 PM I think that Stephen King is correct. In many fairy tales, tension builds up especially in little Red Riding Hood. There is also a protagonist in both fairy tales and horror. Fairy tales can also have some scary scenes in it but these scenes are made for younger children. Horror stories have scary scenes but they are made for older people. Some differences of horror stories and fairy tales is that fair tales always have happy ending while sometimes in horror stories, there isn’t a happy ending. These two types of stories also have an age difference in them. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Callum Moffat - Monday, 13 May 2013, 9:05 PM Hi Dr. Margerison and 8-F, Firstly, I would like to send a special message to Hadleigh Green, for his outstanding efforts on the Forum, so late last night. I totally agree with your thoughts Hadleigh and think that it does, indeed, relate back to the emotion of 'horror'. Referring back to my post, this Forum message/post is not intended in any way to copy either Will or Tyler. S’s work or any of the other boys in this class either, I am only meaning to further continue this conversion about this idea. Whilst reading through Tyler Sherline’s most recent post and then Will Layt’s, to further elaborate on the topic, I was fascinated how fairy-tales have been modernised/changed (Like Will stated), to

make the original fairy-tale, which includes generous, happy and kind characters, to now include evil, horrid, ghastly creatures. This made me think. How many films about fairy-tales, that have been modernised , have been in cinemas recently? Oz: The Great and the Powerful Snow White and the Huntsman Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters Jack the Giant Slayer I then asked myself. This is quite a large number of modernised fairy-tales, so why, so suddenly, has there been so many of these films, been released? I would be interested to hear the opinions of the other students in this class, about this idea/topic. Furthermore, after researching this question, I have found some valuable information as to why this must be. This is below: ‘Fairytales are hot right now for the same reason spaceships were hot after Star Wars, and cowboys were hot back in the day. They're a handy framework to hang a three-act story about a hero and his (maybe her) journey on. Or actually, it's the other way around — the three-act journey is the framework, the fairytale stuff is the latest cloth to be draped over it.’ Further stating, ‘And yet, this particular piece of drapery has been chosen because there's a vague sense that it's what people want. In the wake of Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings and Twilight, there's a sense that people want that sort of fantasy, the sense of something old that abides in the modern world.’ From reading this, I agree with these statements. As the research stated, the world and its movie productions/interests are going/travelling through a phase of fantasy and modernizing old tales/stories, from the past. Just like the world is travelling through a vampire stage, where many films and novels are being written/created. As a matter of fact, as of now to the end of 2014, there will be 40 Vampire movies released. (Source: Internet Movie Data base; IMDb) Thinking about the whole idea of fairy-tales and their plots, there is a reason why fairy-tales have evil creatures/characters. Imagine if (Say for an example, as mentioned by other boys in this class) the story of ‘The Three, Little Pigs’ didn’t include the evil wolf or any other antagonist. Everything would be all good and well, but there would be no excitement, no thrill or action, no ACTUAL PLOT (Definition of plot: A secret plan or scheme to accomplish some purpose, especially a hostile, unlawful, or evil purpose). This could relate to any fairy-tale or novel, for that matter. When I personally think of a fairy-tale, I think of a cheerful story, but if you actually dig deep into a fairy-tale, you will find that it is not all happy and well. Thanks for reading!

Kind regards, Callum Moffat. 8-F

Above: One of the most common advertising posters for the movie, 'OZ: The Great and the Powerful.'

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Oscar Butler - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 12:50 PM I fixed some errors. I agree with Steven King as fairy tales are old folklore tales used to scare the more adventurous of children. They would use the stories if the children had been naughty. However unlike modern day fairy tales where the Protagonist survives, the old fairy tales usually involved the Protagonist dying a horrible or excruciating death at the hands of the Antagonist. These fairy tales were usually to the enjoyment of the adults. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Jesse Rutherford - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 4:39 PM Oscar, that is a habit of mind that you have showed today. You have showed persistance even when you are sick. GREAT JOB

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 6:20 PM Hi 8F I am no writing this just so I get more posts under my name, but I truly mean that everyone in this class is doing a fabulous/excellent/superb task. I am actually very impressed reading these posts coming from year 8's. Once again very good posting and don't stop we still have 5 hours and 39 minutes til this forum is closed. Vikram Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 6:51 PM Dear Dr Margerison and 8F boys, I do absolutely agree with Stephen King to that ‘horror films are fairy tales in function.’ Firstly as many people stated there is a protagonist and an antagonist in both fairy tales and horror films. Normally the antagonist tries to kill the protagonist usually from jealousy or power. I totally agree also with Kobi’s and Will’s comment on how they both have an unusual figure for something unexpected to happen. Fairy tales are similar to horror films because there is normally an evil/bad guy and a good guy/hero. Also last year I got some information from Ms. Bourne about some ‘scary’ nursery rhymes, even though these are not fairy tales, they are similar. Ring-a Ring-a-Rosie is about a plague/disease that spread around England a few hundred years ago. The phrase Ring-a-Ring-a Rosie means the circular rings that appear when you get the disease. A pocket full of posies means, in the olden days people believed putting flowers in you pocket prevents the plague/disease. A-tishoo A-tishoo, is when you sneeze form the flowers and you need a tissue. We all fall down, is when everyone dies. The similarities between fairy tales and horror films are that now that I have found out they are both very gruesome and disturbing. As mentioned before they both have a protagonist and an antagonist. Some differences between horror films and fairy tales are that a portion of horror films focuses on ghosts and spirits whereas fairy tales are more of killing people and witches. There is still a connection between them because if you turn the witch into an invisible spirit it basically becomes a

horror film. For example with â&#x20AC;&#x2DC;Little red riding hoodâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;, if you turn the wolf into a ghost it could basically become a horror film. Do you guys agree with my opinion? By the way keep up the good work everyone

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Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Rohan Hagbeck - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 8:22 PM Hello Dr. Margerison and 8F I disagree with Stephen King when he quoted that horror films are like fairy tales in function. Why I disagree? I disagree with this because, horror movies are designed to scare you while in fairy tales, a small problem occurs, like a ball gets dropped into a river or a witch fattens up two children. The only similarities I believe there are between horror movies and fairy tales, is that both include a compication. In horror, the complication may not be resolved, but there is always a resolution in Fairy Tales. Aren't fairy tales written for children anyway? That is why the complication is never very complex and is very easily soved. In horror movies nowadays, there usually is a simple complication, like a serial killer on the loose, but it is not very easily resolved so resolutions in horror movies are not one of the common items in horror movies. Rohan Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 9:25 PM Sorry This post is supposed to read : Hi 8F

I am not writing this just so I get more posts under my name, but I truly mean that everyone in this class is doing a fabulous/excellent/superb task. I am actually very impressed reading these posts coming from year 8's. Once again very good posting and don't stop we still have 5 hours and 39 minutes til this forum is closed. Vikram Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for assessment day - Weekend Question by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 9:48 PM I totally agree with you Komei about the 'unnatural' character, which in this case is the wolf. Keep it up Komei!! Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Jill Margerison - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 10:13 PM Hi Vikram Excellent writing. I think that a lot of Hollywood movies have made a significant amount of money by twisting and adapting the traditional fairy tale to suit the horror genre. There have been some most observant posts in this forum highlighting these adaptations. It is interesting to note that adaptations and twists on stories happen all the time and originality is a topic that is often hotly debated in English classrooms. I would be interested to know what 8F thinks of this excerpt from a British newspaper....

"The question of originality in literature is complicated. Until the mid-18th century English writers did not hesitate to borrow from each other's work.......If writers are pickpockets, then Shakespeare is our Fagin, ..... Shakespeare did not confine himself to individual lines or phrases....., his plots were appropriated from other, often classical, sources. ......." Who would have believed that "Shakespeare could be our Fagin" ? (Who was Fagin and what does this comment allude to 8F? Can anyone explain?) http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2006/dec/03/fiction.features1 What do you think about total originality in literature ... can anything ever be totally original? JM Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 10:23 PM I agree with you Ma'am that many of these fairy tales for children have turned horrifying in recent Hollywood movies. For example Jack the Giant Slayer is an adaptation of 'Jack and the beanstalk'. Litlle Red Riding Hood has also been changed to suit Hollywood. There are numerous fairytales out there that have been adapted into Hollywood movies to suit the horror genre like hansel and gretel and so on. Vikram Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Callum Moffat - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 11:57 PM Hi Dr. Margerison and 8-F, Firstly, I would like to congratulate 8-F on our superb postings. We have really communicated well and have engaged in deeply-thoughtout conversations and debates. The information stated by Dr. Margerison in her most recent post was, 'The question of originality in literature is complicated. Until the mid-18th century English writers did not hesitate to borrow from each other's work.......If writers are pickpockets, then Shakespeare is our Fagin, ..... Shakespeare did not confine himself to individual lines or phrases....., his plots were appropriated from other, often classical, sources. .......'

The questions posed from this information were, ' Who was Fagin and what does this comment allude to 8-F?' After researching this information, I have found out who 'Fagin' was. As stated by Dr. Margerison above, 'If writers are pickpockets, then Shakespeare is our Fagin...'. This sentence is stating that Shakespeare is writer, therefore meaning that 'Fagin' has some relationship with pickpockets. As a matter of fact, 'Fagin' was a villain in the novel 'Oliver Twist', by Charles **ens. Research states that, 'The unscrupulous, miserly 'Fagin' teaches Oliver Twist and other orphaned boys to pick pockets and steal for him.' Relating back to English, the comments about the plagiarism and borrowing of other writers work intrigues me as the numerous writers before the 18th century were allowed to copy each otherâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s work and ideas. I believe this is unfair, but I do understand that many writers think of the same brilliant ideas, without consulting the other and this still happens, to this day and age. I would absolutely love to write more about these questions, but unfortunately, it is 11:56pm at night and the forum will be closing in 4 minutes. A final congratulations to all contributors to this forum. What a tremendous effort! Thanks for reading! Kind regards, Callum Moffat. 8-F Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Forum for Assessment - Day 3/4 - Weekend Question by Oscar Butler - Thursday, 16 May 2013, 9:50 AM I fixed some more errors. I agree with Steven King as fairy tales are old folklore tales used to scare the more adventurous of children. They would use the stories if the children had been naughty. However unlike modern day fairy tales where the protagonist survives, the old fairy tales usually involved the protagonist dying a horrible or excruciating death at the hands of the antagonist. These fairy tales were usually to the enjoyment of the adults. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio Skip Navigation Skip People

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Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Hadleigh Green - Monday, 13 May 2013, 7:00 PM â&#x20AC;&#x153;Here then at long last is my darkness. No cry of light, no glimmer, not even the faintest shard of hope to break free across the hold.â&#x20AC;? - Mark Z. Danielewski If a character is alone it makes the story all the more horrifying, it gives the character less hope and makes it a quiter environment as there is no one else to talk to. If you were to play Slender with a bunch of friends in the daylight talking about stuff, you'd be much less scared than sitting alone in a room at night with no one around. I know it's simple logic but those are factors that make a great horror story. -Hadleigh Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Tyler Sherline - Monday, 13 May 2013, 7:30 PM Hello Dr Margerison and 8F I believe that to make a character alone in a story creates tension and makes the story more frightening. If you were to choose to go into an old creepy mansion by yourself or with a group of people which you could trust I think most people would chose to go in with a group.

“We make up horrors to help us cope with the real ones.”

― Stephen King I believe this quote is a lot similar to why people bully other people, to feel better about themselves. I now extend this question to the rest of the forum, what does this quote mean to you? - Tyler Sherline Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Jesse Rutherford - Monday, 13 May 2013, 7:39 PM Dr Margerison and Class Being alone is a vital key to horror stories. This creates tension the whole time because the character is anxious and nervous about what is going to happen next. Being alone makes the reader scared of what is going to happen to the character. Being alone makes you rely on yourself and not on other people and I think a lot of people rely on their team members and friends which I think lets the team or survivors down. A great book that shows not to rely on other people is a book called "Survivor" which is apart of the Alone series by James Phelan. The main character tries to find other survivors without being killed by things called Chasers. This is a good example of a horror story using alone. In my horror story, the character is not alone but it is a very good idea for your character to be alone. My character is with his dad and they are driving home. Jesse Rutherford Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Curtis Young - Monday, 13 May 2013, 8:22 PM

â&#x20AC;&#x153;Words have no power to impress the mind without the exquisite horror of their reality.â&#x20AC;? - Edgar Allan Poe I just found this quote out of the hundreds of quotes said by Poe on the internet and I found it really interesting. Straight away I rephrased it to make complete sense to myself: words have no meaning without their original meaning/definition. Therefore this 'impresses the mind with their exquisite horror of their reality. Although this so true. When we hear or read certain words straight away we picture it and understand what we are being informed on. This is my interpretation of Poe's quote. How do you interpret it 8F? To the next point brought up by Dr. Margerison about your character being 'alone' in our horror stories is one that I am starting to develop in my story. The boy starts with his grandparents but confronts the horror situation of an unknown presence alone. I agree with you Tyler that being alone creates tension and makes the story much more frightening. Why do you think this is? I think it is becuase it allows the reader to put themselves in that characters skin. The author has know taken the reader on a ride and experiences the emotions and fear brought upon the character. I can find myself cheering for the character wanting him to survive when he is lonely. If he is by himself during the confrontation you are much more scared but intrigued by it. I think this is how authors get you to not want to put that book down. This is also far more frightening for me than reading about a group in a scary place. Poe's story 'The Raven' is a great horror story that we can all relate to where the character is alone. I think this made the story far more scarier, imagine if the man being haunted was with some friends or family. The tapping and rapping would definitely not of been as scary if he wasn't alone. The bird that was perched on the door was really confronting for the man alone. Therefore Poe is able to effectively put the reader into the mans skin as I mentioned earlier. Curtis Young 8F Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Monday, 13 May 2013, 8:48 PM That is very true Will. That's exactly what came to the top of my head when I read the question for the first time. You also explained it very well. Thumbs Up!!! I really like the way you how you wrote the phrases 'Is there a man behind the door!''I was alone, or was I!.' Keep up the excellent disscussion. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Jill Margerison - Monday, 13 May 2013, 10:24 PM Very true Hadleigh - I am sure that 'Slender' is much scarier when played in the dead of night, when you think you are all alone. I enjoyed this choice of quote. Mark Z. Danielewski almost uses the rule of three doesn't he ? He writes, 'no cry ..' 'no glimmer ...' and then 'not even...' Very powerful - thank you. JM Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Jill Margerison - Monday, 13 May 2013, 9:28 PM Excellent analysis Curtis. I also enjoyed the way that you were able to weave in a very important concept from the book 'To Kill a Mockingbird'; that of allowing the reader to put themselves in another person's skin. Whilst 'To Kill a Mockingbird' is a 'coming of age' story within the historical fiction or mystery/crime genre, rather than connected with the horror genre, basic concepts of understanding emotions and fear underpin 'To Kill a Mockingbird' too. Perhaps as a class we have discovered a key reason why we read literature and reason is to understand more about the human psyche and to reflect on why we behaviour and act as we do. This posts addresses a previous contributions posted over the weekend. Thank you Curtis ... your above post was most interesting to read. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Oliver Hall - Monday, 13 May 2013, 9:26 PM Dear, Dr Margerison and 8F "Hell is empty and all the devils are here" - William Shakespeare

Although i am not sure weather or not Shakespear actually wrote horror, I really like this quote becuase it illustrates the fact that there are bad and evil people on Earth and that sometimes these horrific and terrible things happen. In my story the character is alone and i believe that making a character alone in a horror story makes it scarier because people are generally more scared when they are on their own. It's like when you where little, if your were afraid that something was under your bed or in your closet. You wouldn be as afraid if another person was there to help comfort you. Thanks, Oliver Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Jill Margerison - Monday, 13 May 2013, 9:33 PM So true Oliver and a wonderful find - thank you. This quote reminds me of the line from the song "But the tigers come at night ... as they tear your hope apart ...." Does 8F know which musical this is from .... ? Has anyone in 8F included a bird or animal in their horror story I wonder? If so, what kind of bird or animal do you think would suit? Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Finlay Kroon - Monday, 13 May 2013, 10:00 PM Dear Dr Margerison and Class, This is a really fascinating topic question! I believe that many of us would've instinctively wrote our horror stories with the main character being alone at some point. A great example of this is Will's narrative. It really makes the reader anxious about what will happen next! Thankyou 8F for all of your kind comments and I hope you have taken something interesting out of my posts! Finlay Kroon Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Oliver Todd - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 6:11 AM “Thank you...for gracing my life with your lovely presence, for adding the sweet measure of your soul to my existence.” Richard Matheson. What Dreams May Come I find that this quote here is incredibly powerful but quite scary at the same time. This quote was taken from a horror story (What Dreams May Come) which you can clearly hear from the different and distinguished language used as I might of said something along the lines of, " Thank you...for being able to have your lovely presence in my life, for adding the sweetness of you to myself.” I am writing about a character that was with somebody close, but is left with no one and feels really heartbroken and miserable. Using a character that is incredibly alone, I find that the main advantage is that you can really find the true meaning of their life alone because around other people, the character might be and feel different as if they were home and alone. What do you guys find? Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Curtis Young - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 7:07 AM Will I really like the way how you say your character feels uneasy when he lays in his bed. This is a great word choice but why does he feel 'uneasy' Will? Olly Todd I thought that your last paragraph was really good. I believe that the point you brought up about your character being able to find the true meaning of life is a very valid point. I think this is how authors are most effectively able to reach the readers deepest fears that we were talking about at the start of this assesment. To answer the question you opposed I would say what I find scary is apart from the loneliness during the story I would say the unknown or unexpected happening to the character especially if he is confronted by this alone. This is what I am trying to develop in my story to make it even more scarier. I like how you are opposing a question as well Oliver. Keep this up. Curtis Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by William Layt - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 9:16 AM Thank you guys! Great encouragement and enthusiasm. We are doing very well and are improving rapidly! Keep it up, William Layt Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Dylan Leon - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 9:24 AM Tyler, to me that quote applies a lot to children and younger people in particular, because we tend to not care, or at least not do anything, about the real horrors in the world, like starvation, or homelessness etc. Younger children also tend to be terrified by horror movies that they see. For example, when you went to bed as a child, did you think of all of the starving children in thirdworld countries, or did you think about the zombies that were going to bust through your door in the middle of the night and eat you? Also, on your first point of being with a group of people making you less scared, that depends on who the people are. If they are people who you know well then sure, you will feel less scared, but what if you don't know them very well? It might make the visit to the creepy old mansion (as an example) scarier than if you were by yourself. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Dylan Leon - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 9:30 AM â&#x20AC;&#x153;Believe only half of what you see and nothing that you hear.â&#x20AC;? - Edgar Allan Poe 8F, What do you think this means? I can't wait to see your responses. I think that this means that you should not rely on other peopel for information, unless they are a very reliable source. This is kind of what gossiping is as well, you should not believe in gossip unless you have talked to the "victim" of the gossip firsthand.

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Oscar Butler - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 12:54 PM My quote is from Edgar Allen Poe he says this. “Believe only half of what you see and nothing that you hear.” does anyone have any thoughts on this quote? I think that he means too many people are liars in the community today. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Oscar Butler - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 12:54 PM I also found another one by the Sir Arthur Conan Doyle the creator of the famous Sherlock Holmes. "Were there is no imagination there is no Horror." This I think is quite a good quote and I would love to hear your replies on it. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Ji Rogelja - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 2:41 PM The world is indeed comic, but the joke is on mankind. -H. P. Lovecraft Many people say that the world is comical, with its little ironic quirks. Just looking at the struggles of day to day life in some places with an unbiased view, is just funny. What is the point of life? What is the ultimate goal? Why are humans, tiny tiny humans, here at all, scurrying around and building these crazy things. Another point, would be the corruption in the world, in some places and some industries, it happens on a crazy level, even in Australia. Even the amount of horrible things that happen daily could be looked on as funny. (at least in a twisted sense) 8F: Do you have any amazing ideas on the meaning of life? Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

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by Curtis Young - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 2:58 PM Oscar you wrote earlier: I also found another one by the Sir Arthur Conan Doyle the creator of the famous Sherlock Holmes. "Were there is no imagination there is no Horror." This is indeed a very good quote. our imagination creates the horror in novels and this is what I find so unique about books. In all movies we are given a picture of the scene where as novels are great for the brain letting it imaginate and create these pictures and interperate the stories coming from different perspectives. Whether it is a fairy tale or adventure novel with the horror 'sub-genre' in it, or a horror story we can picture the scene, characters, mood, action and confrontation. Although movies and video games still have the imagination creating horror it is no where as scary and entertaining. Curtis Young. Keep opposing questions 8F there are some I posted last night that I would like to here your thoughts on. This is really great how we are helping eachother understand this complex horror genre. Thanks Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Dylan Leon - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 2:54 PM Very nice post Ji. I agree with you that we humans are very very small in comparison to everything else. There are almost certainly other civilisations and worlds in the massive (really massive!) area that is space. With the universe infinitely growing, there are definitely larger and better civilisations out there with much bigger problems then we have. However, not every planet is fortunate enough to be able to support life, as is the case in our very own solar system. So we should be happy just to be here, life is a miracle that we can't even begin to understand. How can a group of mindless things like the atom form something as living and thinking and amazing as the human brain for example. In my opinion, the meaning of life is just to enjoy it at the best of our ability. We should not squander what we have been given, and instead make great things happen that can improve and benefit the whole world, no matter how big your "thing" is. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Lachlan Read - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 2:54 PM Having a character that is alone stresses and increases tension as having a character that stands alone bereft of all aid and human companionship helps the horror setting especially with settings that involve the dark as the dark has always since the dawn of time been the property of the monsters of both the physical plane and the monsters of the mind, being alone really helps magnify the elements that make a horror story scary to the human mind and also can prey upon the deep and darkest fears or memories of us, as human beings. Those memories and fears resonate with being alone Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Dylan Leon - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 3:00 PM I am intrigued by your quote Arshar, what do you think Stephen King means when he says that the ghosts sometimes win? And also, what do you think the ghosts and monsters represent? Are they maybe human emotions? Maybe hate is a monster, and also envy, just to name a couple. In your opinion, what do you think happens to the human when the monsters win? I am excited to read your answer. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Tyler Norvock - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 3:00 PM At the start of my story, my character is alone. I personally believe that it is more effective when the character is alone because it builds suspense. Being alone is a key factor in horror stories; it gives it that real scary setting. Tyler Norvock Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

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by Komei Jo - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 3:03 PM Hello 8F and Dr Margerison, I've found a quote that is quite obvious but applies to us 8F and the forums. "To write something, you have to risk making a fool of yourself." ~Anne Rice Someone on every new forum has to take a risk and say out loud their idea without trying to make a fool of themselves. I am not saying that we make fun of other people and their ideas but it's something that do happen in the real world. What do you guys think? Komei Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

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Here is a photo of Anne Rice.

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Ji Rogelja - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 3:09 PM In reply to the first post by Dr. Margerison: If a character is alone, there is more self talk, as in you can express the protagonist's emotions much easier. The writer can also create an argument of sorts in the protagonist's mind. There is more raw horror. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Hadleigh Green - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 3:09 PM Hadleigh, I thought your post was very interesting to read, it was well written and I thought your choice of quote was amazing. Keep up the great work Hadleigh. Sincerely, Hadleigh Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Arshar Nelson - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 3:10 PM Dylan, I think that when humans let monsters or demons win they die inside and become something that they should not have been, something that is cruel and wicked. Something that is terrible. By: Arshar Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Lachlan Read - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 3:11 PM Ji

Wow just wow you have summed up quite effectively exactly what life means and as a very spiritual movie stressed we live in the now not the future or the past also another quote from a vey wise man, It does not do to dwell on dreams and forget to live. For to constantly try predict what is going to happen is folly and that is not living but surviving. So to truly live and be happy you must laugh,jump play and do all that that you can to be happy. Also as a really large footnote I would like to state the Answer to life, the Universe and Everything is ...............42!!!!!!!! 42!!!!!!!!!!!42!!!!!!! Copyright douglas Adams hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Curtis Young - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 3:21 PM 8F, I know that we are saying it is definitely far more scarier for the reader if the character is alone in our horror stories and I commend all of us on how explicitly and clearly we have helped eachother with this thought. But to take this a step further, is it more frightening if our character is in a realistic scene or modernised sci-fi scene, or maybe even a bit of both like in Charlie Higson's novel the Enemy in the Pearson text book? Does the mood/scene set also effect this? I personally think that having unrealistic sci-fi zombies, vampires, monsters or humans from the dead make the novel more scary as Oscar B's quote mentioned how the imagination creates the horror. By having these creatures that no-one knows exactly what they look like lets the reader create them the most horrifying for themselves. Compared to a murderer in his 40's is not as scary as a crazy zombie murderer back from the dead. The scene and mood being set in a modern city is not as scary, although in can be transformed into something more horrifying like Charlie Higson did to London in the Enemy. What if the story was set in an old eerie house or place, or on the otherhand a modern new age/sci-fi scene that the main charcater has been sent into. However it is crucial that the character is alone until he is confronted by these creepy creatures. What do you think class?

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Komei Jo - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 3:16 PM Hi Dylan, Great quote there. In my opinion that could also mean that you need to find out more information about something that you are curious about. As well as not trusting people what people are saying these days but it also could mean that it is more appropriate to use other sensors to seek information. That's just my opinion. The quote is really interesting. Anyone else have their own ideas? -Komei Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Reilly Gall - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 3:21 PM Great writing Will. I think it is a great idea that your character is alone and especially alone at night. Being alone is one thing because there is no one there to turn to or to get help from. But at night it is even scarier at night because anything can be lurking in the dark shadows. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Komei Jo - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 3:22 PM Hi Tyler, I agree with you completely. I believe when you have a protagonist all alone, you are able to express that character's feelings inside out without having to add having any interuptions from other characters. Keep up the good work, Tyler and 8F!!! -Komei Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Jill Margerison - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 3:40 PM Ji, excellent observation regarding the ideas of self-talk ... yes you can express the protagonist's fears and dread with greater clarity if they are by themselves and the reader is not distracted by the presence of another character. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

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Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Jesse Rutherford - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 4:27 PM Class of 8F and Dr Margerison I think that being alone is a very good idea in your horror story because the reader is trying to put themself in the characters footsteps and this makes the reader think of the worst outcome making them scared. I also think that when people are alone, they get anxious and want to be with someone so that they not scared. Personally, some of my brothers do this. If they were asked to go upstairs and they were by themself, they would try to hold that off until someone else went up. In a lot of famous horror stories that I have read in class, the author makes the character alone. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Jesse Rutherford - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 4:45 PM I think that you have done a great job. You told us that you thought that the city isn't very scary unless it is blown up or an apocalyptic event occured. You also asked questions like what if it was in an old eerie house. Great Job Jesse Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Dylan Leon - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 4:57 PM

I agree with you, however I do not believe that no one should lose to there inner demons. In the past, people have lost the battle with themselves, and have changed into someone a lot more evil, but, this is not always a bad thing. For example, Adolf Hitler. Adolf Hitler used to be a German soldier in the war, however he eventually turned out to become one of the most powerful men in the whole of Germany. He caused WWII, however, in my opinion the worl grows and evolves the most during times of distress. During the war, countries were forced to form new alliance for both of them to survive. Technology evolved exponentially, and people grew an even stronger love for their countries. So in conclusion, maybe letting our inner demons beat us isn't always the worst thing. Most of the time yes, but sometimes no. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Tiernan Halpin - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 7:24 PM Hello Dr Margerison and Boys of 8F, Firstly I would like to congratulate the boys who have done a superb effort, in contributing to our class forum and the quality of work being produced. Regarding the question asked by Dr Margerison, Question for 8F: I wonder how many of you are writing a narrative about a character that is 'alone'? Why do you think it would be more powerful to make the character alone in a horror story? In my narrative, my main character is not alone at the beginning of the story, but as problems arise he goes his own way and is then alone for the remainder of the story. I also believe the character being alone in any story line is more powerful and effective at getting a point through to the reader. As being alone as a human is known to make you a lot more vulnerable, to anything or anyone potentially threatening your life. “The world is full of ghosts, and some of them are still people.” Quoted from Peter Straub, world-renowned horror writer. Quoted from Straub’s work “The Throat”. It is a very powerful yet interesting quote that makes you think. I would like to leave this quote with the class to analyse, and some feedback would be much appreciated. Thank You, Tiernan Halpin. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 7:39 PM This is very true Dylan, I completely agree with you. I personally think this quote means, some things that you hear is not true so don't believe it, and only believe what you can trust. Do not rely on others for information (like you said Dylan) and their opinions. You can believe other people's thoughts but don't rely on it too much. Rely on what you think is right and 'follow your feet.' I also agree with you when you said 'you should not believe in gossip unless you have talked to the "victim" of the gossip firsthand.' Excellent post Dylan! I am looking forward to seeing some more interesting posts. Vikram Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Tyler Sherline - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 7:32 PM Hi Komei That is a really good point, we do have to take risks on the forum and in class. Keep up the good work! - Tyler Sherline Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

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by Tyler Sherline - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 7:49 PM Hi Hadleigh Nice work, I completely agree with you when you say that you would be less scared if you were playing slender with a group of people. Keep up the good work! - Tyler Sherline Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 8:03 PM Hello Dr Margerison I found out that the musical that the song you were thinking of was from. The song is called 'I Dreamed a Dream' from the musical 'Les Miserables.' Apparently this song was written in the year 1980 and was used in the movie Les Miserables that released in 2012 starring Hugh Jackman and Russel Crowe in the lead roles. Yes Ma'am I do have some sort of animal in my horror story. It is like a bird with sharp claws with the countenance of a human. This animal is the antagonist of my short story. Vikram Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Komei Jo - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 8:05 PM Hi Tiernan, Great writing by the way! I've read most of your posts in the past six days and they have been astonishing. My story has some parts of my character being alone by himself. What I think makes a story powerful with a character being alone would be that the writer is able to really express the characters feeling either anger or happiness. This really helps the story really grab the reader into

the book. Also the writer could possibly describe the setting a little bit better because they are not too worried in talking about other characters. I also thought your quote was quite interesting. I couldn't get my head around it though but it could potentially have some deep meanings in it. I would really love to hear what people think of this quote. That's really all from me. Regards, Komei Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Marko Savic - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 8:21 PM Hello peers, I think that making a characeter alone would work well unless he was fine with being alone. If you were to make a character alone I would think that you must add to him as when he is around others he kills them as a an example. Also maybe he couldnt handle being alone and started kidnapping mysteriously so that he wouldnt be alone. Which gives a real horryfying and mysterious story. "Let this Hell be our heaven" is my favourite quote from Richard Matheson. I dont think it has much to do with horror but I still thinks a great quote as in my eyes I believe it means to turn something from being terrible to seeing the bright side of the situation but thats what I see. What do you guys think it means? - Marko Savic Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Rohan Hagbeck - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 8:33 PM "To write something, you'll have to risk making a fool of yourself" Anne Rice, 04/10/1941 Hello 8F,

I like Anne Rice's quote because, not only is it especially true in horror writing, it is true in anything you do. To make something, you will have to risk making a fool of yourself. Why? Simply, because if you're scared of making mistakes, it will not get done. In fact, nothing will be done if you are scared of looking silly. You can either lay back and let somebody else take all the credit for what you had thought of first, or you could take a risk and earn the credit you deserve. Rohan P.S. My horror story does not have an alone character. There are two main characters but they do, in fact get separated. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 9:23 PM Hi Tyler I really like the quote you used. It really got me thinking. I think of it a different way Tyler. My perception on this quote is if we make horror stories or we think about horrifying things, it is easier to live a normal life. Some of you guys might be confused but I have an example. If you practice playing tennis with a heavier racket than your's, and once you change to the normal, light one, it feels much easier to play with, than before. So the same goes for this. We make up these horrifying things so when we go back to reality it doesn't seem that bad compared to the terrifying things, and we can cope up with one another. Vikram Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Oliver Hall - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 9:22 PM Hi Dylan, that was great. I remember hearing someone say that if humanity was ever faced with extinction, every altermative would be preferable. What i believe this means is that when faced with extreme danger, who knows what that person will do. This was shown in the two world wars, some people when their lives were threatened showed extreme bravery however others did not. Thanks, Oliver

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Komei Jo - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 9:32 PM I agree with you both Arshar and Dylan. As well as our insides turning evil, I've thought that it could make people feel depressed or guilty in some way. When the monsters and ghosts that live inside of us take over our minds, you think of only the negative side and if this continues for a long period of time for someone, it could lead them to suicide. Though I hope that is not what Stephen King meant. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Vikram Nedunchezhian - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 9:43 PM Dear Dr Margerison and 8F ‘The greatest horror in the world is not finding a monster but finding out you are the monster.’Anonymous. I found this quote on the Internet and it intrigued me the second I read it. This makes a lot of sense to me personally. What do you guys think it means? To me this means the most horrifying thing is not when you encounter something scary like a monster or a ghost but when you find out you are the monster. When I think about the phrase ‘you are the monster’ it reminds me of bullies. A bully might be scared of a monster but when the bully is bullying other children the victim is frightened of the bully. So, according to the victim the ‘bully’ is the monster to them. This is my opinion on what this quote means. In my story my character is not lonely, only in the first part but ends up being lonely by the end. I think it is very effective and powerful to have a character that is lonely in a horror story because this creates tension. For example like Will said, the reader might think the character is alone but then brings up the sudden questions in their head, ‘Wait a minute is he really alone.’ Loneliness is also powerful because if the character gets in any sort of danger he/she has no one to turn to, like a parent or friend, so they have to ‘face the music’ by themselves. It would be excellent if some of you guys can analyse my quote. Vikram Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Jill Margerison - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 9:54 PM Interesting Rohan - I look forward to reading your work. Anne Rice's quote is an excellent one for us to reflect upon and it reminds me of a quote that goes something like, in order to discover new oceans, you have to have the courage to lose sight of the shore. I can't remember who wrote it but is a great analogy for us when we think about moving out of our comfort zone and trying new things. I think that the discussion forums have been quite a new way of learning this year but we have all done a magnificent job. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Jill Margerison - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 10:18 PM â&#x20AC;&#x2DC;The greatest horror in the world is not finding a monster but finding out you are the monster.â&#x20AC;&#x2122;Anonymous. Powerful quote that could be adapted perhaps for your narrative writing 8F. Well done Vikram. Show parent | Edit | Split | Delete | Reply | Export to portfolio

Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Callum Moffat - Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 11:46 PM Hi Dr. Margerison and 8-F,

I would firstly, like to congratulate 8-F collectively, on our efforts on the three forums. We have really come together as a group, complementing each other’s ideas and encouraging each other’s opinion. The question posed by Dr. Margerison was, ‘Why do you think it would be more powerful to make the character alone in a horror story?’ Personally, I do, indeed, believe that it is sometimes more powerful, to make the character alone in the horror writing (Not Always). I think that it really depends on what emotion/impression the author is aiming to provide the reader with. E.g. if the author would like to create suspense, focusing on an individual character, for the reader, he/she can make the character alone, in a deserted theme park, where the rides suddenly turn on and screams can be heard. But in contradiction to this, if the author intends to create a peaceful scene, progressing to a frightful scene, revolving around a group of people, affecting the aspect of other people, for the reader, he/she can set the scene in a haunted house, where a group of friends are each being attacked by a spooky, blood-thirsty creature. I am finding this slightly difficult to explain, but I hope you understand. Furthermore, Dr. Margerison also stated to, ‘Please research a famous horror writer and take a quote from their work (or from them personally).’ My quote that I have found, while researching online is as follows: “Monsters are real, and ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win.” This statement was famously proclaimed by Stephen King. My interpretation of this quotation is that, although we may be kind and friendly, the vast majority of humans (Probably all humans) have a dark side. This could mean personality wise, psychiatric issues or other concepts. Additionally, I think that this quotation could translate to, each human having an outer shell, a disguise or some sort of protection, each human hiding their true form or nature. My other idea would be regarding the dark side, the evil, misleading side, which can take over you and can win. A fine example of this would be the Star Wars Saga, focusing on Anakin Skywalker. Anakin is a powerful and gifted Jedi, the proposed and the one to restore balance to the force. But he is soon overpowered by greed, by fear and by hate that turns to the DARK SIDE. He lets this evil force, overshadow his views and his true destiny, which in turn ruins his future career as a light-sabre wielding, Jedi knight. But as Martin Luther once famously said, ‘Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. As Aristotle Onassis once said, ‘It is during darkest moments that we must focus to see the light.’ In the Star Wars Episode VII, this exactly

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happens. Anakin (Darth Vader) is persuaded by his son, Luke that there is still good in him, that he is not completely turned to the Dark side. An inspiring quote, that expresses what I am trying to state, also by Martin Luther King Jr, â&#x20AC;&#x2DC;Every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness.â&#x20AC;&#x2122; Thanks for reading! Kind regards, Callum Moffat. 8-F

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Re: Final Question for Discussion on Horror by Callum Moffat - Wednesday, 15 May 2013, 8:28 AM Thankyou for your kind words, Will. All the best. Thanks and kind regards, Callum Moffat. 8-F