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ere ever t o break oub r a^ d even the d,is,coverer of Uranisi-z11 (himself Aow an anti-Auclear c&ilIpaigner) regards it as a Aeareertailty within thelr\ert t eA or twerty years-q, it wi+l be betweer\ Russ'il anA Anerica,. Now we have the America^ t s cru.lse mlss j-}es ( or will have; by fgSS) ...i they are the nearest U. $. mi-ssiles t o €gos'o At the noonertt the qoYerT\Russi&, therefore Hast Anglia will nEnt pay iA the regio4 9f SISO rrd.efencerf be the Russlans far* targeto the etllion- a W$EK torvardd may be a, fairly rich England averages That o1d Bligl.rty" of good. -at country rsan Aow r bub it wouldn tt be lrreek everY a for out &5 if t,hey dropped a bornb'on it. woman and chiIfl.* or abou,t SB a Besid€s everyo^e r what harre the RwsiaA for tax ineome tn week peoFle got agairr$t the EAgIish work (1 reckon thatts tUat goes -halftothe uttrsx a\rerage i *op1;?-l*{ayb; the Rr:ssian-GwEdabout HHl{f has got a lot against ouf workert s tax) . Maggob Shatcher s0VEnt{iltH.lf bub that rs nsb our fanlt s eenls int ent on -boost ing our 'd,efen **/attackr by lettjA g ( nor is lt the fault of the Rr.lss j-aat nuclear civilians). Srouble isr mgrst Carber Put his cruise nissiles iA politiuians are getting old.- th€X, o{ East Ahg1ia. This act {rieqd'-. 10.or e0 years nost aA know that cou{try this ship I- i n ong go trrrn ed wil]. d.ied.- from ea^cer ha$e of them Russiaq for int- a Prine large! anJnvayr bub IVHY d,isease or heart war rf nissilss',J Auelear nricreaC d,o they have to take it oub oft us?

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start ed. p eopl,e ha,lre becom.e int e:r' ested, i1 Anarchy agaiA* especially since rtFeedrng of the 5000rr came oub. This is basicalLy a good. thfng but a lot of people $eern to have

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centlryrs most ncrtoriow murd.erers, Iilwsoliai artd PoJ. Pob, called. thenselves anarchists* f know lt ts bloocly obrsious that th6y were/\tt anarehists but f said. that to rei.nforce my poi4t fhat people thi4k that a{arehy neans fIDoiAg

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what you waAttt because it tt0esn tt i f f ft d,ld eve1 Maggot ghateher corrld, 'caIlr herself a a{\archist I

$o- what is t[e perfeet systenn? There is n o ].0 0n, cbrr ect anbwer

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u\pleasa4t jobs are the best paidp ly free t o opt out of it o At the momeAt the systen pays dole noney to peop1.e oub of workl and there are 1+ ni].lior\ of them at, the nonen.d. Bcrth labour and the f ories seem to have a policy of having a high uneroploynnent figure, probably because j-f a lot of people are on the d.ole, nore people I'Yould. have to resort to aceepting jobs with abysna-lly low and where everyole j-s p erfect

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fhls is probably b ecaus e p eople that CIf0CSII to be on the dole woubd be ]-ess willing to a.ccept a shit job than someo4 e that wants to worko fn other word$ I they try and SHfr force people who d,otrt rolatt to work to get a job, aAd, try and, nnake sure that the Peop1e who ARE oA the d.ole want to workl fhat is hardly tlre recipe for a happy;r cont ent ed cour$ry. fhe system offers you a choice of two partles; Aot nuch of e ehoice bub at least i-t t s something" Sone people think that Hvot i1g only e neonrages th€Btt r but T reckon that gett in g int o r parliamenrt is the ofrly thing that s inporbant I f\ot how ffi,Ay people vote for th€rru I thiAk that if there t s a cholce betwe en two evilsr itts wor{hwhile ehoosing the lesser evil. Bub I think the ruost inporbant thing'iswhatever your beliefs- u+ke the efforb to do SOI,:IffHfNIG, eve^ if it ts on].y a little bit " if everyone d.id, soroething of use things night start irnprovingl

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ftu Pnlffi This if\t ervi ew t oo,k Place in the backstase roon r^ the Roek Cs.rdeAt t}e niddl€-Eged trend.ies rock venue. No live revieq of the gig beealts e I hacl to leave before the et\dr but what I did see was excelleqt- this ffoqp is deffnitely one that you BfUST s€€r theytre withoub doubt CIne of the best gro4)s around at the nonoe^t. Al,1 of the Eroup were p resAlt at the int e:nriew at s ome time or a{otherl a/ld the cutre^t Line- up is. . . Pete- Druns & Inppr.r.atiqni ?au}- Vocals/ Cuttar &. Driveri Ja.ne- Bass & DrugS; I.€s- Yo ea,Ls/ Gultar & Iyric$c

Also, Julie the roaCie a4d Marbin the BaAag€Tr (Boring et*p fi-rst as usuall .. )

CLarIie: How IonS have you been go:.1g? I,es: Aboub 18 months. Charlie: Have )'ou a^y more records lined. up ?

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irwolved. with Roek ligp.r^st Racisns add Rock Agarast Sexisllto Iresl Ieah weive d.one gigs for th€rl. They helped. get u,s oub of Birnin$&Ilt r you kAovr. Charlie: 3o you think theyt re really achievt1g a4fbhin g? .

Les: At the moment? Charlie; fes. !es,: fhe stat e of RAR at the moment is very difficrr.ltr beeaLl,se the cent tqJ- eommi-tt ee havg i,tst inter4al fesigned, cos

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Pete3 falk]Ag aboub the local BiTmin$an oA€ir Ylerve iust s!a4edthe dotne a clubl which is about urost-inporb""S thfng that t s happeneC in Birrnlngfeann s iflce RAR starbed. Wetve had a J.ot of

trouble from. skins' anl that bub r re slowly starbisg to_ ge!. agnoss t o then; I'[aYbe locallY it is

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wearing all sorbs of badge$ r for having their hair cut r anythi/\g. Pete: Maybe there is af\ offshoot that would,n tt be there if RAR wasntt there br,rt the basi-c

probler,&s are stil} therer and by ig1oriAg that problernl it t s just gollla carry ofir you krlg*. fhere ts t\o rea.son that the NF would be snaller. Les,: But the ffi'were4lt ti:.e only rea,son for RAR t s exist e4 c€that t s like sa)'in g that whe ,\ the Nf' eeases to exist, racisa eeas es t o exist , Paul: It etp"ses tl:e barriers to e eerbai4 ert el^it r cos it Eet s kj- ds

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t for a perlod" RAR this tj-me last yeardefi4itely rnore of a force to be recko6ed. with. RAR gigs were co4staltly revlewetl i4 the pfess, a6d they were yery suieessfu-l, ar\d I thi4k they have achleved something if ofly by taki4g the nusic a d givi4g kids the opporbr.V\lty to get u\to gigs without get!i,\g rippeil offo ,, lot of baAds that *re now really bie started off doi4g RAR gip, Pau.l: [ha;t Hilita4t E4tertai6nent tour is probab3-y regariled as bei4g a big failure. I still think the idea of doing it is great brrb. . . Les: I thi^k Aow that RAR is a really good. idea but ifr the end it got taken over by people who eniled up being like typicel- music

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pronotersr Xou k6own and the whole idea Jr,st got'losto But certaj4l"y in Birulrlgpam f think it is acnieving somethr4g, but

itrs a d.iffere4t sitretiofio f6r baAd.s to p1ay" Charlie: So you thi{k ft i"e actrieving somethi4g eve^ lf it rs o41y provlili6g groups witli a venqe for sonewhere to p)"ay? I,as: Not o$y becawe of that but it has sther repercuaslo6s* it also prwiiles a plaee for kids to gor to see live mlt,sic without gettr4g ripped off by eome Afg!'t club ownero A6d there are a lot of skjnhead.s tn Birruir\gham. This is4tt a4 S,solated example of what RAR dol but they hs-ve built rrp sone eoy$ of Therets very few ve4ues

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tres: It is r yeah.. I nea4; whe4 people ask if RAR are successful itrs difficult to defjr\e what I thr^k r XOu aean by successfull sonethi4gl achieved. a ' RAn..has anrl whether it c@.ses to exist is'nt1 really inporta4tr Paul: Ilere you thi^kfng nor€ o\ a

political-a gle, whether itIs beiAS effect'ive? Yes, becau,se theY could, '. Charlie: guite easily bave Aot ca3.Ied it frock .Aeainst Racign and sti1l orgarli5ed gigs without rippang Peopfe off. ftts supposecl to be polit ical.

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how Birmingparnts RAR starb ed to move at the rnomentrlte and tresley were both i4 RAR

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it start ed off but we d,ropped out for a eouple of reasorls- nainly because we got i4volved ln the band and that w4s takirqg up a lot of our t in&e- also it bec€.me polit i ca3*ly apathet ico ft wa.$ jr,ust a4 a1t erL native venu€r It had a break irtr Birmin&am for about six months but n ow it t s starb ed agein ar\d Aow r as les was saying there is this dialogug that the people who are runntn8 it have got with the BM and the ;r|tr. I,es: AAd it does brl.rlE culture back to the kid,s. Ch.arlie: fhese Bi't ax1d Nf' ski4s that the orga/\isers talk tot they t re st ill BI,,t and ski4 s , arenrt they? ^S' Jres: fheir i:olitics are verr primit ive. t'heir polit i cs near\ s weari4g a T-shirb with A?t o/\ it ' which means Anti-Pakj- treague r which nea6s whe6 they Eo out ofi a Sat urd,ay rtrght they go t o ti: e Pub r then thei' get in e fi6ht Their ;oolit j- cat not rvat i ot\ r i f"


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thi.s grouir of olrler .Eutss r they nrusi harre beeA tlre f\fF, weXt dolvn ha/\dang oub tiierature a*d handing oub badges sayi/tg sr$tuff Elair Feachil r to all of the kids i1 therâ‚Źr &\ d or\e group of ki ds w et t rou^d- asking -neof le t o take the badges off , whj-ch is really gr:od Sharlie: f tve r\ever seer\ affihr"\g lrke that ha;:pef\inE i6 l",mdon. ?ar-rl; There have beef\ people t u::ning up at the F*tf R club Bir'ninghan hand.ar\ g oub Bl'{ }it erstuff. ature and, Cl:.arlie I 'Si:a'u about Rock Agpi{st Sexisn? Io you tlii$"\k it vr i}l achieve anybhrrl*E cr has achieved. a4ybhiq g, oro . . ? les: I tirink X j-trs achieve6 sollethat it t s Put ot\ gigs that thingr'woaeA in bary1Cs, or ro,ixed, have baqds, Bub yo'r sh oul6n t fi ecess;aril;' c otrpere P,Ap' itkr RA S" f t m n

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sure r,vhatrs happened. to Rock Aeai4st Sexisra! PauL: Well , I thiqk that itts just aAother st ep forv,rard. I p eople us e

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aR africle about independent_ record. labels. fhey i ust wou,ldn t t harre had. that a eouple of years ag6* I nean therets a lot that has come oub of that erar and wkrether RAR acrbual-ly goes defunct' aRd, ceases to exist and RAS ceases to exist d,oesnft really nnatter eos there t s a lot thet has cone alrb _

to ne rfheytre ny little glrls over there; theyrre a 4ice l.ot of tittle girls r tbeyrve on.ly beel togethei a couple of weeksr bub f t 11 have then rea-Lly good. tn a fe?Y w eek$ tt . it t s the ln thin g Acw , but tiiet t s life r is4t-5 it ? Ii* | a act ually Sot the$ e girls t agetirer becau,$e it lt/e$ ggttfng t:"end"y to }:.ave ar\ alJ- gir1. ba*\d." srar}i- e: Sc yo'r thi/\b that r s a bad,^ph.rlg? l,€s ! ffo, i i;irink it ts i4evitable rea1}3".

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Pat: "This is Aady Thomas I wlrcj,iE our. Iranagero &ar1.iet Aie you hopul g to get a{y reeord,s orrt? Qugfltn: Ies, we t re hopiAg. Char.Lfle: Are you go:rrg to? Pat: Fetve teijn rdund.-every record eonrpa^y you caf\ A&rBe. liretve takeA tapes rour\d to Begsrts Fnq.uet r Dlldise, Virgi^; Rorrgle frad,€'_ SrsaIL flonder a^d Stj-ff: they r[tI rrote to us, back saying rf,e hopc you haYe suocess in the you l/lox r 'that rs a,s far futrreraS te tye gOt. Qtrcntlnr $tCnd,ard, lett €rr you Ino, photoeopled; (barttbr fave you tried, ,Iohn ?eel? QubAtil\- Fe gets so ulat1)r tapes it takes six rnonths to get

throu& then all. Fat: |[bd bloke from Virgifl was coniAg dowl to see us to1i$t, bu! it Tyas h:ls birbhd,ay, so he couldntt corneo @arlie: Are you goi\g to briqg hrm dorl to-the-gig-nerb weej[t (FFor the Rei gate-festival)

tine- it ts butl-iling lpr r dunno why but we lust dontt play the sort of Lusic-that appeals rouM here. Charlte: ilrat r the RedhiIL & Relgate area? QuentiA: fes, that r 6 the only area where we t re able to play. Patl last week we playbil wtth a coupfe of pu^k groq!$1 the oal people that turAed qB rtere pun vks

erid the;'--hated rrs. qAIy a6oub five or t eA people t r"i:rred up t o see USr luentl4i I"", itts very apatheti.q arou^d her€. '( prief pauFery wh:i*e people laugh at $buad.) Charlie; Ilave you triecl getting gigs in I'ondon? Pat: Yes, we rve tried r bub it

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foke nerb qtly do aboub t,hree

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rtts olly eoiAg to be a Qw^tr^t weekr-wel11 p"obab3.y (bar}len Eave you tried^umbers. a4lr of the emIL coupanies? htl tetve tried Joy- so Jb,r theytve relea,sed,'o\e albun o their Labe1.' fhey s,id theyt6 be int€r, €sted, j-f we eould pub uI) some of the Eo/\eyo 6arl.ie: f thhk a slna,Il eolupa4yls the begt' bet a,rr\J,/rvdy. Fats lfrouble ie r you do4 tt get the pronotiq behi4d it.

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Charli'b: llhat are nost of yotn sbngs aborrb? Quettla: A lcft of our so\gs are yery morbid,, J.ike l[r. Doola ald. Ibyeh.o- but nost of our soAgs are yery perso4al. firar.lie: Iou nean youtve got a

really sick sense of hunorg? J^dn- can r lugt say som.ethv\e aboub pe:sona-tity? f -queiFfr one iust hasn tt the least- iaba about- er*.

@ bass bit' eoegl their dlrn bit.. Patl'tIrE El116a' tras jrr,st tcrbal].y Ia@€il tbe whole way througb.. Qrientlns ilor it rtast pj-eced together Gtlt of thiee d;tffersrt tunes- bub (ua have so @ Ir ldeas. Ftg ?he 13mi6 were total.lY nailnedr thoug!,. qu5ttln: l?he lyrics a rEr wer€; are on stage. al.la3re _ thgy you cf,.oose Your did Ew EarlJ'e: 1 Aane? QtfoCnGia sr tre nere caIIed, 0range ta€tel.andr bub that nas year"s ago aftil fe hAdnt'5 rea'lly clcn e rnrchr le rqre t4 tafio€r rj-ght.o. (3t twrs out that they were in Ita^Gsf halg'rlg about in-a reeori and, solneone & telIeal-rDisqr€rr h@.rt becarlse *taek alrffi hsd a rqFe ].ater) E[l' lt"sh lfrolleyr we were ffir tgrta,g:bg q-aIled Fish l[roIIey. 'Paf,: Neif used to have a fish

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Or shut r4pt Qqential (Now starts the fiist battle- it starbed wtth Antty arrd euentin -on wrestlilg, with'e6cfr'ottien the floor, ard finished rp with al.nost €weryo^e throwi4g beer aa^s at each 'other. I gst hit otce q, the heact onoe on the anrl tun" I was ,antl u4setUe8t) lelativqty Quer\tin: Ies about thiee tlarie apo I bruiseal .three of bls (Ahayr51 ribs with a t*t po1e. Gra_rLle: Doos thj,s -tlna of thing alwa5rs happel? Pat: Iesr we shot hin twice Last week and he stil-L cones back got two s@ts1 one ot\ each S"t" rog' Grarlle:'l$as he just starrding

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Quentrl: 0h he loves it I IJe t s only L4 r you h^oTr CharlieS He loo1c "8, lot ol'1er tiran th3t. Quent ,n : Tes . IIe d.o es have s erious nood.s , sbmetfimes (A few rulnub es gap I " becau,s e the tape had ru\ ouL a4d. n obody noticed.. ). Quent j-r1: Ihe tlei-n g is , at the moment we haved!! got any transport and, we ca nlt get aboub o Ife t s bot a little ReAeult 5 bub we @.nft get anfrbhiAg into that. Charlie: Oo yoii alwap throw beer eaAs at each crbher afb er gigs ? QuentiAl It rs wual..Ly deairs, you krlowr anythiAg we can get ou*' hands oA r AAdyr show hirn your se,rs! 'Andy ( lau$i,rg): 0h yeah he shot Be twice the other dayr with an air riflel He alnost fractured 'Ey s}ru,1.} wlth a beer caf\ at Sussex thiversityr and they asled m.e to be their rilEnagerl Pat: No r you asked. Lbs. dnclyl I,It f can say is r you ought to ggt F.lcol.ry Hella--r€Ar then o

v er)' vari ed mlrs i car t ast e, a/\ d. very varled nusical ,ability in i the band,- we dqn rt appeal t d . ,aAJir s et grot4l oif, peoplel (Now a fevr rcinutes gap while

eyer{g^e in sults the nscaLators who Disque Attack supported to--,

^isht) At_dyi Yes the Escalat ors played a bad s et t onight bub last week it rm,s the reverse, we were bad and, the Eseal,a.tors'were good,2 bub as their InaAager r t d say-'' that tmight was ffre best Oi"que "Attack gig yet. Qr4gntiA: YeJ it rvas alright toligfrt,. We d.o have a bit of troubl..e-r{idh trriing l4l to gigs.. People atrd.ieAcel the thaf ist th6 ^ot prohlem is, we t re not yery PPPyftl. Aparb flon that, we8re al.rigptJ Ctrarliei Iou seremred, to go d,ow4 0K t on igbt . Quenti^g fonight ls the best r9aetioA wetv6 had i1 a IoAg tiner in fb,et. ffe t re Aot poprfld; iq - ' as muclr as people eorrldn t t reaIly be bcrthered. to go and see usr EteTyone s apathetfc in ?

lFhe Reilgte s ceAe realty ook off at one pornt aqd there tF"ipte.'were lots of #oups-. thdrets '{"' o41y about five Aow. Us, the Esea}atol:ls who are everJfoAets

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