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This Sig htas heLd at Blimps club, a small room at the back of the DoE and Pheasant pub on the outskirts of Campridge. Itfs itre snallest place I t d ever 6een, it t s about half the size of the cosy Red Deer in Croyd.on- its so smal-L that the band tl[a]ce up'the whole width of the room. Expensive (a quid to get in, 44P for a pint of bitter) Uut stays open til1 f, a ? every night. The Lurkers didnS.t come on stage until IO.JO. There was no

support band. If youfve heard their single youf11 know what kind of music they play- fast laud and simPle. TonY D. of RiPPed & Torn (tUe Lurkers No.1 fan) says it takes a few listens before You start to rrrlirr appreci.ate the subtleties of

their music...tonight (tfre second time I I d seen them) I thought they were as subtle as a kick in the balls. I liked them a lot better tonight than I did last time I saw them (supporting Gen.X

at the l,larquee ) probably cos I knew what to expect this time. They pLayed a halfhour set, went away for half an hour and then came back to play some oorer That I s one of the things I liked about them, they really care about their fans, which is more than I can say about groups like the C1ash, Damned etc. Their set included: No clue, On heat, Love dark, Pills ( ttre I'{. Y. Dolls song ) ; Love story, Cyanide, Total brar, SeIf destruct, Then I kissed her ( ttre Crystals song I think) , Freak shown Flass media, Prisoner, and Shad.ow. Ity favourite was Tota1 idartbat !,ras bloody briLl-iant t That slrould have been their next single (Uut it isntt gonna be).


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Manic Esso: Most of them arenrt genuine. Generation X are thougb, Bil3-y I s a good bloke. But the fuckin r Sex Pistols-- theyrre a fuckint joke. We were quite friend,ly with them Last year but not oolrrro They couldn I t give

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for a little chat, this is more or less urhat was said ( or, what I can remember of ,if it ) : ( If\. I t ve got

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Chainsaw: t'Ihy werenrt you wearing your Esso overalls on stage tonight? Manic Essb: Who told you

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Manic Esso: Ifve only worn them once or twice. You must have seen us when we pLayecl, the &larquee. Itts nuch too hot wearin I that bl.oody thing. Anyway we

don|t believe in dressint upl aL1- we do is get up on stage and p3-ay. I mean now you get bLokes that 6et up oa stage wearint dog colLars and stuff like that. Dog collars are for fuckint dogst aren I t they? You get Punk bands on

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Manic Esso : I'lo . The product ion was !r very bad. Our next singles a lot better, tt I s produced by Ed Hol1is ( ttre Hot l?ods producer ) .

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the lOO Club- not quite true as it turned out. First band on were called

Cant-B-Bad. Poxy nane theyrve got for thenselvâ‚Źo1 but they werenft too bad. They weren|t punks, they Looked like mum6 & dads like their teenage sona to look- Donny Osmond, haircuts etc. Their music was a sort of cro6a between punk and heavy-metaL. They were fairly fast, with a good solid rhythn. Next on trere the Skunks ( forraerly known a6 DoLe queue. ) They played. some good. powerful stuff. They rere foungexcept for tbe drummer who wa6 bearded and balding. There lras a rather rcierd atmosphere here tonight. There were no punks at all ( apart from rnembers of the bands ) - it se emed l-ike about 6O Daily Telegraph and Guardian journalists cane along to 6ee what Bunk rock was all about. (I knew it wasnrt gonna have that many punks there, cos both Gen X and X-ray Spex were playing down the road, but this wa6 rid.iculorso ) There was no pogoing- and, obviously they were expecting this so--- they put out tbree rows of chairs in front of the staget And to think, this used to be one of the country t s most inportant punk venuesl o XTC themselves you could hardly call punk. In fact f I ve never heard any band that sound.s like this. They

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keyboard player. They play fast, J erky songs ; each one conpl-etely different from the last. fhey werenrt very heavy- they rely on their own style of music rather than a wall of noise. Theyrre not the lind of band to go and 6ee if you ruaat your a brain blasted out. They t ve been together il for 6ome time D,owo Two years ago ( then known as the Belium Kidz) tUey were featured in the NMEfs Roadrunner series for up and coming band.s. T1:e1,' I Oolied rea,l.1:. r,iiord, they h,.C their ha.ir 'dor,,n to the 3rOrmd- A.'l ",rost. The Ni{l ea1lerl then the ul tinate E:l Dorado cl unlir:iteC f-:ner fertune.and filth- it s:.id thelr on^e thre.ror a eo] orrr TV out of the windor: of ?,n arreriea4 hotel rnd nobo<ty eomplr_ined. ft also says they nerforrn a nixerl prograrrlne of hard roek (=o I )::ope thq' dont u-'re the old el-iehe rtl,,/erve 'lreen f.r1a-;.rip.t this kind of nusie for ;rer,r^: now.tt), anC *kry tha,t the;,'r:e Fonnr oind the g'oing IIXT'-],jFI[TY

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this to be a great gig. Unfortunately it wasart - I didntt think 999 vefie nuch better than an average support band. True, they did some good things but srr on the whole it wa6 the usual three-chord stuff that has been done ten tines better. Ir11 give a mention to the support band ( as always ) tney were called the Tools. They had a loony-bin job of a singer who kept ot1 f a Lling over. They was eprpecting

were alright I apose r Back to 999 again folks...

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suppose- I hope it was r for s sake. After the gig when bardlY anyone clapped I the DJ shouted out X Come or r you can do fuching better than that lrl True. But maybe they didnrt want to. G99 rrf, were brave thoughr they did three 6ong6 for an encore after that!')

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with Play it loudt Other classics on the album sick on you/I call your nane/funble pre-ssins,/ care,/soda dont ;;7T";i g,it/r are: Sod.a Pressing ( geddit? ) 1 First tine, llo' t"too"i. Sid,e two: First time,/Box Number Kiss Like a nunr Cop cars and, Keep runnin6/ ,/Kiss fit* " ooo/Cop carsr/Keep running. There t e enough of themt citY' the in xids/tiving Tenement X ttFirst timerf was their second. single and itfe greatt Itfs very pop-nusic-ish This albunr s bloody good.. (B1eedinl but itfs still- goodr tbeytve nanaged U"""t: I Theret are a lot of classic tracks to combine the innocent rrl met her last r and nothing I d reaL1-y call crap" ' it s friday at the loca1 dancelft pop-nusic nothing rile the 6lash album of course charrn with the raw energy of punk. Same uut iti" niles better than the Damnedrs applies to Kiss like a nun- that I s even effort. better. Theytve mixed d'own the vocals to an I dont t Like the Last track Living in it almosl inaud.ible leve1 in partsthe City. It shows that someonefs been t comes off pretty welL but they bavenr listening to the MC5ts Back in the USA. Boys sound' (r donrt ;;;-;" unmistar*ur" Both albums finish off with a rock and know if that t s a good tfting or not ' ) ;ro11 song that starts with a few second's I guitar solo. fhere are a couPJ-e of ttsick on You" is the oPener' It s other ulkxrrr ratber boring songs but Boys 6ong cos probably the most famous that doesnr t matter nuch cos aLl the ;i tue iyrics but it I s not one of their songs are about L$-*'2 minutes ' The one best 6ongs . Casino St e eI ( tfre Boys thing I reallY dont like about it is piano,/vocalist ) ueed' to d'o it in his it lasts less than half an hour which forner bandl the Brats. rrl call your is stupid. Nice cover though.

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in the first 9 quite easy to see whYof 19?? theY I ve released four singles ( five if you include the free one they gave avray rrith Rattus Norvegicus) and two albuns. So this has been ruehed. There are a couP1e of great tracks on thie but a lot of it is very very boring. A littLe more tine and it lould have been a lot better. Another tbing this lacks is the ssrl colour t inaglnation and. variety the firg! album had. Just about everYthing on this t album is a rehash of what they ve d'one before (on1y not aa well). Ifl]. give a mention to the nore memorable tracks: rrBit chingtf ie one o f the good' t uns ' It I s typical strangl€?s- one of their fasterr more direct songs. I! does 8o on a Uit too long though. This has been one of their favourite stage numbers' Dagenham Dave is another goodie t it sounds fresh and' innocent' I dont Like

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the ending though, it sounds like Yes. Ju1ie BurchiLl please take note, rfBring on the nubilesil is very sexist. I like a bit of sexism every now and again. Unfortunately I the music I s GF6,pr nrtPeasant in the big shittytt is one of the tracks that appeared on the free single they gave alday with tbe first al-burn. It I s got Dave Greeaf ield on vocals- and a wierd rhythm. It I s the only really original track on the whole albun, if you aee what I B€?rrr ttBurning up tinettis another of the good onesl Sugh CornwelL spits out the words with real v€ooutr But rrSchool Manrl the longest track on the aLbum is a blood.y disaster. It starts off aLright but it Just goe6 on and on and ono The last two minutes are 60 temible its aLnost embarassing to listen to. Ugh! The rest of the album isn I t worth writing about. No more heroes and Sornething better change you t ll have heard

already. Well in short this is the ultimate LP that should. have been an EP. Stranglers fans night Like it but I I m not very impressed. I await their next albuna and siagle I they t ll probably be out in

December of January knowing them. One dprs i I m puzzled about- why do they now cbff themselves Stranglers TV???


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