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recortJsrwhat are we supposetl to dori meansif peupJ.e actually really want us to stay intle;>endanb tlray should al1 send ug-fJO. Vi-Vallrthey should of all bought tvo records ipstoacl of nne recordrthen vie coull have kept )htrix going and werrl have paid those depts, we only recovered half those costsrif everybody bought two we wouldnt have had to sacral'ice R-I dont t,hink we have compromised. Vi-Norbut in. or c()rnpromise o16 virgi.n r+lrite politics. terrms of wtrat ttrat questions supposed to mean. R-l{hen we originally pegged our price at a
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increasing our debt. ft costs an awful loI of morrey just to keep a barrd Iike Poison Girls actually existingrthats not payirr anytrody wages oe anyttringrt.hats just to keep things going on ttre level theyrve been going ort. Vi-Like whatrthat soun<ls uery indulgent?
started workinq with Crass irr 1$/Brpetrol wa$ then 6Bp ? gallonrif you iirlk, about it in real terrns petrols now €1 .BO a.c;allon which is well over 2! times as mueht a1d i dont think that S2.5O j-n r-ea.l terms is any more, than EI.OO was then. Vi-It came oua last November rWheres the pleasuret didrso you could have,bought tworkept one for yours'elf,. ald eiverr one to your mrutrrwhich is lrhere i think the record belongs. in a lot of peoples cases. l.ance-Most of this critisism that wq:gqt: frofi this- geens to me to come from : rJi.sgruntled consumers vrho .ranL, cheap prodrrct;a1O ii al.l they' r.rant is a cheap night o.ut' thgn they can all fuck off . Ilichard-The other siOe;Af that is ,rve. are ac.tual-ty dealing with a dual qualityrwe are actually ttoing a gig at tlrd Pheonix in clra.rr'.irtg cross road r+here its going to cost f,5 or €B or f,1O to get inrand itiats great i fhink.cos i dont expe-ct the people i didnt expectrand was quite wtro calt afford ttrat to come;rnd see us at that.siSrsimitarly r^iqht in rrot expecting any of our old audience t,o 9o gnd see .us at the ICA-where it cost tf .C!O to get inri wasnt at ail sorry not to see.'then:thefe.. He*l,thy do you play theee sor:t of places then? R-wellrtheres people who go, to._11tre -ICA and €harring cross road who.T:,1f9_ lever go to Chats l)alace or never go to the fleg concert we did' itr brix'lonrand actualfy if ve only playerJ in those ptraces ve would nevei play to.those peopleri thinl< thats real ylknow those people that never go to see us unLesg we'pldy at the Yehuelcr qo to see us a!.'the * venue an<i nowhere els'.:rand i lcnow those people *ist cos-they turn up when were playing-'.in thgse places. Me-ft's tho r+hole thing of expandingrtryirrg to reach more people. R=I-mean1. theree a very complacent bit nhictr says we shorild just be playing to the sort of people t6at we have been playing to or who think that rre are their.bandri mean i still like them alcl were definitely not going to abanclon them., Lance:If.lt vere to come to thatrin a years time theyrd say Oh poisongirlsrthats boringrthef"dont do anythingrthen they abandon usrthe way we colduct ourselveg is public propertyrand'lhe fay..otrr lfansr conduct themselves is not Its a very uneven thingreveryone can.sei.what'fuere doing and can critisise ittbut we have no us anytime they 1yay of knowing what theyre doing an$ we.iaht. c1r':tisise them. They critisise lilce anrt then dissapear and go and rrrurk,'fgr'.{C}twe w.ouldnt.knowrwould we? Itrs not a community of people all .of whom are acti-ng.in:t"ulf kno.wledge of what everybody else is doi.n<1" Vi-l{hat ve need are certain..bpgc.iat'people wfro might be called spiesrbut which shouldnt rea-tl.y be called spiesscheoking up alrd jelling us.about the bad behaviour and ideirloqical urrsoundness of our fq,ns. R-G9 on Lee. Vi-l{hich we can then make puhlic. l{e do set ourselves r.lprand i did say ai tfre be$i-nning that we vanted to go publicrand its good to have tlese discussions" Mo-1{ell these".are doubt.s that people are having and i feel that ttrese doubts have got to be confiontbh.. n-i..ttrih1i'if *etd.tJayed in the totai exposure mode of poison girlsrwhich was very much;an optloniiiq'coufd'.hav9 pone itrstayerl playing that sort of music to that audience and it would trayii been ri shan' fnr tls.''and for'an audience who thouglrt t.hey were gettlng somethlng real from trs. Vi-Why? pounrlrwhen r+n fiyst
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english lnvaslon of ireland,peoplc retort to vlolence. The brltl.sh rett.rt wIth even more vlolence.The lrish people are dlvided ln rnany vayarfor rrany reaoorls' but they matter very llttIe nor,r because tha fact renalns that kids aro lietlln6 shot and klds are throwltrg brlck$ at tanks. The IIIA violence does rtothln6 for peace. The soldiers actions do n..lhing for peace.'l[re lrlsh peoplee violence does nothing l'or peace. People always Justify vlolenr:eralr"ays justlfy deatlr, but always some()ne elgest I I'eeI s()rry for ttre people of northentt lr:eland t grorlpg up and Ilvlng ln a trattleLoln uasteland,i feel sorry l'or tlrc soldlers consLantly r.rorrdering 1I'the nex! flre extlnlplsher I'alling I'r'orn a block ol' flats vlll lrlt lrlm,l feel sorry I'or the irleh prleorrern of var sul'fering assorterJ forms of to.rture and nrurder. I feel sorry l'or tlrern all rultlmate
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If the terroriste are pasclflsternoL Erssive trut activerlf tlre people are not vlolerttrnot totally unltedrbut tolerant and respectful of ottier peoples feelings arrd bellefartiren how could the state use violence? Il'lt does(and lt vlll surely try to provoke more vlorence because thale the game tt plays beet) use vlolence lt wlll }ook rattrer llke a bul ly boy treating on a bllnd rnarr(but Llrats lhe engllolr probleml).'ff,s solutJon to vlolence can be that siml'lerlI'ouch lndivldual can llslst on rnakilg it tlrat slmple'vlro kn,rv,srruaybe tlre solutl.ona trt lrelanrls troubles are tlrat einple too... """'??
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comfort, theoe ate the bad ggeds of doubt lnrgla4led
othei-ThE-oaoo 1oo, bo! f ro Lr rlngrue trea 6irll'rotndrao afraldroo inoocurerarrd lacking trust they lay claim to each oiher and cllng tl6lrt llko tortured artilralgrtlroy nnrry or llvo togoLherrln olralnerscared to uovernot leltiog tttrr ollrer breatbe. Doesnt lt eser crauy to ytlu tlrat rhllo people dle of starvatlon all over the glolle that uestern countrles lrave *arehouses full of food....thate ths full oxtent and extreme ol your greod. Comrnerclal advertialng io onn ol' the
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to defond t!rto protect lt,to lttuure lt agalnot thref t. 'llre nroro you own Llto urore you prepared toflght 1'or,thla 1s thc trap of cIvlIlsation, the ooul of congurnorl:rrnrevery er la a potentlal vlctlm of nrlrrd ttacking advertloers. Arrd ln tlrelr perverted litt16 vorld of selllng ttrey creato such llrages as lxrssive ready !o be ruPed,and ma men ln perfect muscular ugl lnoao, they
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office can fhelPr ' i Bo. i arrive. i wait. i vrait for an hour in their horrible cardboard-boxbuild'ing.iImdeeperat they are readY to Eiee ttler my name ? I tel} them. i have Just *V adrlress ? i tell them ' tlP. their eyes light tt is nt longer their responsibility i itt"v sleep ltuY tonight ) 'theIPr **yu! anotler olf i"t carr ' but t do not lrear. i feel llke crYin 1 give rP. htPPY birthdaY'
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Nan-in, a fapancse ur;rstcr during the Mciji cra (r868-'l9tz), reccivctl a univcrsity profc.ssor wllo can)e to i-nquire alxrtrt 7.en. Nan-in scrverl tca. llc potrrcd his visitor's cup fu[], and thcu kcpt on pouring. The professur watr:lrcrl the overflow unril trc no longer corrld restrain hirnself. 'lt is overfttll. No lllore rvill go in I' 'Like tlris cttP,' Natt-ilt saitl, '),,rt-t are full of yotlr o\wl opinions and .speculatiolts. ['low crn I show you Zcn tuiless you first entPty your ctrp ?'
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