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PARADE SOMETIMES LOVE IS STILL A BATTLEFIELD, BUT MOSTLY, IT’S PRETTY PEACEFUL!”

P Josh Altman, Madison Hildebrand, and Josh Flagg

Q: Has being on Bravo’s Million Dollar Listing Los Angeles affected the real estate agents’ careers? —Doris Kelley,

Plant City, Fla.

A: “It’s increased busi-

ness,” says Madison Hildebrand, 31, of the show, which follows agents selling high-end properties (Wednesdays, 9 p.m. ET). Josh Altman, 33, who closed $88 million in sales from January through June, says it’s “like an infomercial that plays all over the world,” adding that clients aren’t camera-shy: “It’s L.A. People like to show off!”

Q: Is there anyone today —Pat Benatar, 59, who is touring with Journey this summer, on her 30-year marriage to her lead guitarist, Neil Giraldo

Q: Could Queen Elizabeth pass the throne directly to Prince William instead of Prince Charles? —Florence H., Hemet, Calif.

A: No. English common law determines the line

—Martin L., San Pedro, Calif.

A: “Derek and Julianne

Hough,” says Adam

Q: Why did Emily Blunt start laughing when she met President Obama? —Martin, Syracuse, N.Y.

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Shankman, producer of Step Up Revolution (out July 27) and Julianne’s Rock of Ages director. The siblings ﬁrst found success on Dancing With the Stars. “Both are movie stars in ng,” Shankman the making,” te for your choice adds. Vote .com/dance / . at Parade.com/dance.

A: Blunt, 29, thinks it was his demeanor that knocked her off balance when they were introduced at the Kennedy Center Honors. “I expected it to be so formal, but he was incredibly warm and accessible,” says the actress, who stars in Salmon Fishing in the Yemen, now on DVD. “It was surreal, actually.”

SUMMER MOVIE PREVIEW

The Many Faces of Catwoman n Anne Hathaway, 29, 9, is the latest actress to p pounce on the role of costars Rises, in theaters July 20. Catwoman; she cos stars t in The he Dark Knight R

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Julie Newmar

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In the campy Batman TV series, Newmar made her own costume and wore the belt at her hips to highlight her hourglass ﬁgure.

As Newmar’s purring replacement on the show, the actress instantly became known for her sultry growl.

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Michelle Pfeiffer Lethal and whip-smart, Pfeiffer joined Batman Returns after a pregnant Annette Bening dropped out.

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Halle Berry rry Berry took the the character’s sex appeal up a notch in Catwoman, sporting a leather bra and ripped pants. Meow!

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Anne Hathaway Anne Hat H ath h “It’s such a pinch-me moment,” the actress has said of playing the comic book icon. “I love how sly she is. She’s totally independent.”

Send questions to Walter Scott at personality@parade.com or P.O. Box 5001, Grand Central Station, New York, N.Y. 10163-5001.

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of succession and the law would need to be changed. Charles, 63, could step aside for William, 30, but Brit TV personality Piers Morgan says that won’t happen: “Charles will be the next king. They believe in natural succession.” See William through the years at Parade.com/royals.

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What to read, see, and do this week

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THE CHILDREN’S HOUR THE LAND OF STORIES: THE WISHING SPELL is a charming

CAPITOL GAINS Maybe it’s the upcoming election, maybe it’s something in the water. Whatever the reason, Washington, D.C., is getting its close-up on TV this year, from Scandal to Veep and now the new six-episode series Political Animals (USA, Sundays, 10 p.m. ET), starring Sigourney Weaver (above) as a secretary of state with family issues. “She’s just j so complex, ex, there th was no way way wa I could say ay no,” Weaver er says. er ssay a s. ay

A REAL SWINGER England’s Royal Lytham & St. Annes Golf Club, the setting of the 141st British Open (starting July 19 and televised on ESPN and ABC), is appropriately staid. But one player who has a real shot at hoisting the coveted Claret Jug trophy is anything but. Meet American Rickie Fowler, a 23-year-old who races dirt bikes, favors Day-Glo golf attire, and last year released a boy band–inspired video with three fellow pros, called “Oh Oh Oh.”

Scan here to watch Rickie Fowler’s music video

and imaginative ﬁrst novel (written by Chris Colfer, who plays Kurt on Glee) about twins who fall into the fairy-tale world they’ve grown up loving and must risk their lives and test their wits to get back home.

SHA∏K!

MY SNAKE BLAKE, by Randy Siegel, with illustrations by Serge Bloch, celebrates an unusual pet who’s extra-long and extrasmart: He can spell words, help with homework, intimidate bullies, and even walk the dog.

Shark Week is just 16 days away, but you can whet your appetite right now. On the History Channel’s Shark Wranglers (Sundays, 10 p.m. ET), a team of elite fishermen has 40 days to tag 50 great whites in order to learn where this threatened species feeds and breeds. Meanwhile, Expedition White Shark is an app that lets you track your own predators; sensors attached to dorsal fins send out signals indicating location. (iPads, iPhones; $4)

DAISY BUCHANAN The Great Gatsby

JANE EYRE Jane Eyre

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PA R A D E

HUMBERT HUMBERT Lolita

Literary Mug Shots Admit it: A few chapters into E. L. James’s Fifty Shades of Grey, you were CHRISTIAN fantasizing about what the book’s main character, cheeky Christian Grey, might GREY look like. Let the blog thecomposites.tumblr.com satisfy your curiosity. Using text Fifty Shades descriptions and police composite-sketch software, Brian Joseph Davis conjures of Grey up an image of Grey, plus those of other, more classic literary characters.

HEATHCLIFF Wuthering Heights

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Ask Marilyn By Marilyn vos Savant

My daughter is one of five finalists for a grant that awards two scholarships. All things being equal, she has a 40 percent chance of receiving one of them, right? She’s also one of five finalists for a separate grant that awards one scholarship. My first thought was that she has a 3 in 10 chance overall (a 2 in 5 chance for Grant A and a 1 in 5 for Grant B), which is 30 percent. But that logic means she has a better chance of winning a scholarship if she declines the opportunity to compete for Grant B. That doesn’t seem reasonable. Can you explain?

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Two factors may be confusing: (1) Grant A will not award both scholarships to the same student, of course, so your daughter has a 1 in 5 chance for one of them and a 1 in 4 chance for the other; but (2) Grant B may indeed award a scholarship to a student who wins one from Grant A. An easier way to ﬁgure out the answer is to go backward. The probability your daughter will not win one of the Grant A awards is 80 percent (4 in 5). Say that occurs. As the probability she will not win the other one is 75 percent (3 in 4), the likelihood she won’t win either one is 60 percent (.80 x .75 = .60). Say that occurs, too. The probability she won’t win Grant B is 80 percent (4 in 5), so the likelihood she won’t win any grant at all is 48 percent (.60 x .80 = .48). This means she must have a 52 percent chance of winning at least one.

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Relief is possible. Ask your doctor about Lyrica today. LYRICA is FDA approved to treat Diabetic Nerve Pain (or pain from Diabetic Peripheral Neuropathy). This pain can worsen over time. LYRICA provides effective pain relief so patients feel better.* In some patients, Lyrica can provide signiﬁcant pain relief in as early as the ﬁrst week of treatment. And, you should know, Lyrica is not a narcotic.† *

Individual results may vary. †Those who have had a drug or alcohol problem are more likely to misuse Lyrica.

Prescription Lyrica is not for everyone. Tell your doctor right away about any serious allergic reaction that causes swelling of the face, mouth, lips, gums, tongue, throat or neck or any trouble breathing or that affects your skin. Lyrica may cause suicidal thoughts or actions in a very small number of people. Call your doctor right away if you have new or worsening depression, suicidal thoughts or actions, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. Lyrica may cause swelling of your hands, legs and feet. Some of the most common side effects of Lyrica are dizziness and sleepiness. Do not drive or work with machines until you know how Lyrica affects you. Other common side effects are blurry vision, weight gain, trouble concentrating, dry mouth, and feeling “high.” Also, tell your doctor right away about muscle pain along with feeling sick and feverish, or any changes in your eyesight including blurry vision or any skin sores if you have diabetes. You may have a higher chance of swelling, hives or gaining weight if you are also taking certain diabetes or high blood pressure medicines. Do not drink alcohol while taking Lyrica. You may have more dizziness and sleepiness if you take Lyrica with alcohol, narcotic pain medicines, or medicines for anxiety. If you have had a drug or alcohol problem, you may be more likely to misuse Lyrica. Tell your doctor if you are planning to father a child. Talk with your doctor before you stop taking Lyrica or any other prescription medication.

Please see Important Risk Information for Lyrica on the following page. To learn more visit www.lyrica.com or call toll-free 1-888-9-LYRICA (1-888-959-7422). You are encouraged to report negative side effects of prescription drugs to the FDA. Visit www.FDA.gov/medwatch or call 1-800-FDA-1088. PBP460417-01 ©2012 Pﬁzer Inc. All rights reserved. April 2012 © PARADE Publications 2012. All rights reserved.

IMPORTANT FACTS LYRICA may cause serious, even life threatening, allergic reactions. Stop taking LYRICA and call your doctor right away if you have any signs of a serious allergic reaction: • Swelling of your face, mouth, lips, gums, tongue, throat or neck • Have any trouble breathing • Rash, hives (raised bumps) or blisters

Like other antiepileptic drugs, LYRICA may cause suicidal thoughts or actions in a very small number of people, about 1 in 500. Call your doctor right away if you have any symptoms, especially if they are new, worse or worry you, including: • New or worsening depression • Suicidal thoughts or actions • Unusual changes in mood or behavior Do not stop LYRICA without first talking with your doctor.

LYRICA may cause swelling of your hands, legs and feet. This swelling can be a serious problem with people with heart problems.

LYRICA may cause dizziness or sleepiness. Do not drive a car, work with machines, or do other dangerous things until you know how LYRICA affects you. Ask your doctor when it is okay to do these things.

ABOUT LYRICA

LYRICA is a prescription medicine used in adults 18 years and older to treat: • Pain from damaged nerves that happens with diabetes or that follows healing of shingles • Partial seizures when taken together with other seizure medicines • Fibromyalgia (pain all over your body)

Who should NOT take LYRICA: • Anyone who is allergic to anything in LYRICA

BEFORE STARTING LYRICA

Tell your doctor about all your medical conditions, including if you: • Have had depression, mood problems or suicidal thoughts or behavior • Have or had kidney problems or dialysis • Have heart problems, including heart failure • Have a bleeding problem or a low blood platelet count • Have abused prescription medicines, street drugs or alcohol in the past • Have ever had swelling of your face, mouth, tongue, lips, gums, neck, or throat (angioedema) • Plan to father a child. It is not known if problems seen in animal studies can happen in humans. • Are pregnant, plan to become pregnant or are breastfeeding. It is not known if LYRICA will harm your unborn baby. You and your doctor should decide whether you should take LYRICA or breast-feed, but not both. Tell your doctor about all your medicines. Include over-thecounter medicines, vitamins, and herbal supplements. LYRICA and other medicines may affect each other causing side effects. Especially tell your doctor if you take: • Angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors. You may have a higher chance for swelling and hives.

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BEFORE® STARTING LYRICA, continued ®

• Avandia (rosiglitazone)*, Avandamet (rosiglitazone and metformin)* or Actos® (pioglitazone)** for diabetes. You may have a higher chance of weight gain or swelling of your hands or feet. • Narcotic pain medicines (such as oxycodone), tranquilizers or medicines for anxiety (such as lorazepam). You may have a higher chance for dizziness and sleepiness. • Any medicines that make you sleepy

POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS OF LYRICA LYRICA may cause serious side effects, including: • See “Important Safety Information About LYRICA.” • Muscle problems, pain, soreness or weakness along with feeling sick and fever • Eyesight problems including blurry vision • Weight gain. Weight gain may affect control of diabetes and can be serious for people with heart problems. • Feeling “high” If you have any of these symptoms, tell your doctor right away.

“Your unpaid bill is giving me a pain.”

The most common side effects of LYRICA are: • Dizziness • Trouble concentrating • Blurry vision • Swelling of hands and feet • Weight gain • Dry mouth • Sleepiness If you have diabetes, you should pay extra attention to your skin while taking LYRICA and tell your doctor of any sores or skin problems.

HOW TO TAKE LYRICA Do:

• Take LYRICA exactly as your doctor tells you. Your doctor will tell you how much to take and when to take it. Take LYRICA at the same times each day. • Take LYRICA with or without food.

Don’t: • Drive a car or use machines if you feel dizzy or sleepy while taking LYRICA. • Drink alcohol or use other medicines that make you sleepy while taking LYRICA. • Change the dose or stop LYRICA suddenly. You may have headaches, nausea, diarrhea, or trouble sleeping if you stop taking LYRICA suddenly. • Start any new medicines without first talking to your doctor.

“Grandpa, tell us about the days when you had to buy the whole album even if you only wanted one song.”

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• Ask your doctor or pharmacist. This is only a brief summary of important information. • Go to www.lyrica.com or call 1-866-459-7422 (1-866-4LYRICA). Uninsured? Need help paying for Pfizer medicines? Pfizer has programs that can help. Call 1-866-706-2400 or visit www.PfizerHelpfulAnswers.com.

PARKE–DAVIS, Division of Pfizer Inc., New York, NY 10017 *Avandia and Avandamet are registered trademarks of GlaxoSmithKline. Rx only is a registered trademark of Takeda Chemicals Industries, Ltd., and ©2010 Pfizer Inc. All rights reserved. Printed in the USA. ** Actos is used under license by Takeda Pharmaceuticals of America, Inc., and Version January 2010 Eli Lilly and Co.

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Family Is What Matters

NINETEEN YEARS AFTER LEAVING THE WHITE HOUSE, GEORGE H. W. BUSH IS SEEING HIS LEGACY BURNISHED. HERE, THE FORMER PRESIDENT AND HIS WIFE, BARBARA, TALK ABOUT THEIR PROUDEST ACCOMPLISHMENTS, HOW WASHINGTON HAS CHANGED, AND THE JOYS OF ALL THOSE GRANDKIDS. AN EXCLUSIVE PARADE INTERVIEW. BY MARK K. UPDEGROVE | COVER PHOTOGRAPH BY DOUG MENUEZ

O LIVING AMERICAN HAS BEEN AT THE CENTER OF MORE HISTORY THAN

George Herbert Walker Bush. A navy pilot in World War II, Bush was a successful oilman before embarking on his extraordinary political career. Elected as a Republican congressman in Lyndon Baines Johnson–era Texas, he would go on to serve as United Nations ambassador, run the Republican Party, act as a special envoy to China, lead the CIA under Gerald R. Ford, become a two-term vice president to Ronald Reagan, and be elected president himself in 1988. Then, improbably, eight years after losing a reelection bid to Bill Clinton, he watched his oldest son, George W., emerge as the nation’s 43rd president. Along the way, Bush’s upright character turned acquaintances into lifetime friends and political enemies into admirers. Which is why, nearly 20 years after it ended, the ﬁrst Bush presidency is getting a second look. Historians increasingly praise Bush 41’s restraint at the end of the cold war, his Gulf War coalition, and his willingness to defy his party’s policies and raise taxes to ease a ballooning deﬁcit (an action that probably cost him reelection). But the former president, 88, spends little time thinking about the light that history will eventually cast on his legacy, content that “history will get it right.” Rather, he and his still vibrant wife of 67 years, Barbara, 87, are busy celebrating the arrival of the USS George H. W. Bush off the coast of Kennebunkport, Maine, where Bush has spent almost every summer of his life. The excitement surrounding the ship is second only to the joy brought by visits from what the couple consider their greatest legacy—their 17 grandchildren and first great-grandchild,

1. The Bush clan gathers in Kennebunkport, 2011. 2. Skydiving (with an instructor) on his 85th birthday, in 2009. 3. As a navy pilot, Bush ﬂew 58 combat missions in World War II. 4. With “Bar,” his wife of 67 years, at home in Maine in 2012. 5. The dedication ceremony for the aircraft carrier USS George H. W. Bush in Newport News, Va., in 2006. 6. With the Reagans in 1988. Bush recalls his former boss as “a remarkable man and a kind guy.” 7. Biking in China, 1974. Of China’s recent emergence, Bush says, “These are industrious people, on the move.” Read more from our interview with the Bushes and comments from their grandchildren at Parade.com/bush

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“When I was 15, I went away to camp and got page-long, handwritten letters every week from my grandfather, updating me on everything that was going on in Maine, like ‘We got a new engine for the boat today.’ Now he writes my brother [Walker, a marine on active duty].” —Marshall Bush, 26, daughter of Marvin

11-month-old Georgia Helena Walker Bush, the child of Jeb Jr. and his wife, Sandra. During an interview and a simple lunch of clam chowder (with a shot of Tabasco—he is a Texan, after all), mini-mufﬁns made with fresh Maine blueberries, and Klondike bars for dessert, the president and Mrs. Bush spoke to presidential historian Mark Updegrove about their extraordinary journey and their take on today’s politics.

PARADE: You both look wonderful. To what do you attribute your vitality?

Well, we’ve been lucky. We’ve stayed in pretty good shape over the years and been blessed by good health. I don’t think there’s one formula, do you, Bar? MRS. BUSH: No. I think former presidents and their wives have great doctors. People try to keep us healthy. We’re very lucky. I mean, there’s no question in our country former presidents and their wives are treated very, very well. And that’s not true of every other country, honestly. PRESIDENT BUSH:

How do you spend your days now? GB: Like this [relaxing in the house]. I’ve got a chair in the bedroom and I sit in it. Just looking at the television. Now I’ve got [a chair] that leans back and forward so you can get out of it—it gets way up like this. So that’s what I do.

I hear it’s a 21st-century La-Z-Boy. GB: Well, it’s a thing of real beauty. BB: It’s a disaster! GB: I admit it’s ugly, but it works well. BB: It does work well. Now, how do I spend my

day? I walk the dogs [Bibi and Mini-Me Bush] on the beach once or twice and then I come home and gripe at George about the chair. We watch too much television. And we both have a trainer. Same one. Three days a week. And— GB: It’s not very arduous, though. BB: Speak for yourself. Mine is very arduous. Mr. President, tell me about your condition. GB: They call it vascular Parkinsonism. It just affects the legs. It’s not painful. You tell your legs

LOYALTY, FAITH, LOVE The then–vice president and his

wife with daughter-in-law Margaret and grandkids in Maine in 1987. The Bushes have 17 grandchildren and recently welcomed their ﬁrst great-grandchild. “We feel close to all of them,” he says.

to move and they don’t move. It’s strange, but if you have to have some bad-sounding disease, this is a good one to get. Was it hard to accept? GB: It is hard, because I love being active, [playing] sports, being in the game. … But you just face the reality and make the best of it.

What is your proudest accomplishment in public life, Mr. President? GB: I think we had an honorable administration. We were relatively scandal-free and blessed by good people. Something I guess I’d throw in there is the liberation of Kuwait. BB: George taught people how to keep the peace—whether they took the lesson or not— by lining up allies. GB: The coalition. BB: The coalition was huge. He was at the UN and in China—I don’t think any president’s ever had the background he had. I’m prejudiced, I admit. And 40 million people now have jobs they can get to because of the Americans with Disabilities Act. You can’t not count that.

WHAT THE GRANDKIDS SAY

“One of our favorite things to do was have huge horseshoe tournaments. Everyone used to call him ‘Mr. Smooth’ because whenever he would release the horseshoe, he used to say, ‘Mr. Smooth, they call me.’ ” —Sam LeBlond, 27, son of Dorothy

When you left the White House in 1993, Mr. President, you said that your one regret was you didn’t feel like America knew your “heartbeat”—Americans didn’t know who you were. Do you feel differently now, 20 years later? GB: No, I think they just see an old guy up here sitting around. I ﬁnd it difﬁcult to think that they even remember. It was so long ago. BB: Of course they do. I think they miss you, truthfully.

You’re receiving all these great accolades— HBO just aired a documentary, you received the Medal of Freedom from President Obama last year, and three former presidents, including your son, regaled you at the Kennedy Center. Has all that attention surprised you in any way? GB: Not really. But it’s very nice. As I said— [and] Mrs. said—former presidents are treated very well by the press and the American people.

When you left the presidency, you said your ﬁrst priority was “getting active with the grandchildren,” and now you ﬁnd yourselves greatgrandparents with the birth of Georgia. GB: It’s a wonderful feeling. BB: But

I don’t think it’s any different than grandchildren—it’s just nice to have a new baby around. And particularly—[we’re] very close to her father [ Jeb Bush Jr.] and mother. Jebby fished with him for years and … GB: They all said, “You favor little Jeb.” It wasn’t that; he just liked the same things I did. He liked to stand with a fly rod on those rocks out there and fish and fish and fish. He likes boats and I love them. But we feel close to all of them. You both used to worry about “the disintegration of the American family.” Do you today?

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WHAT THE GRANDKIDS SAY

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BB: He doesn’t worry anymore,

but I do, terriﬁcally. [Too many] of our children don’t have a mother or father at home. That’s a big concern on my part. Huge. He’s just too smart to worry, [but] I do. GB: That goes with just being older and having had the privilege of having a full and active life, and now just fading, fading— fading away, like General MacArthur said. BB: Gracefully. You’re both members of “the greatest generation.” What is your view of the current generation of young Americans? GB: Very positive. [We’re] called

the greatest generation, but I think that’s not [giving] fairness to the present generation, people who are abroad, an all-volunteer army, all there because they wanted to serve their country. I don’t think our generation deserves to be singled out like that. BB: This generation is fabulous. I bet you’d ﬁnd most young people doing Run for the Cure or collecting for something or other. Certainly our children or grandchildren are very civically minded. I have great faith in American youth. What values do you pass on to your grandchildren? GB: Loyalty … BB: Faith. Love … GB: Friends ... These all kind of go with the territory. And we’re lucky in all these things. BB: Like the sign someone gave me this week that said “All you need is love—and a dog.” That’s about it. No, but maybe because of politics, our children and grandchildren are close. Because they saw their grandfather being picked on, sort of—they thought [it was being] picked on. That

in power now. We’re trying to stay out—other than my mouth, which very often goes off, but it shouldn’t. I’m taking a vow not to advise. GB: When’s it going to kick in? [laughter] Mr. President, you campaigned in 1988 in the hopes of creating “a kinder, gentler nation.” How are we doing in fulﬁlling that vision? GB: It’s so subjective. I think people see us as a

A MAN IN FULL Campaigning for reelection in Ohio in 1992; ﬁshing off Maine with grandson Jeb Jr. in 1996.

BB: … and they were stupid. It wasn’t true. There was no competition at all.

Did his presidency have a high point for you?

brought them closer together. Which is a good segue to your son, George W. Bush. John Adams was the only other president to see his son become president, and, of course, he wasn’t around for the entire presidency, nor was he accessible to his son. GB: He wasn’t at all. BB: I don’t think [Adams’s] mother ever saw him

as president. What was the experience like of not only seeing your son become president but being with him through the journey of his presidency?

BB: Every day we were proud of him. Of course, 9/11 ... I think George’s [leadership after] 9/11 was brilliant. I think it was a high point, just as the day the war started when you were president, trying to liberate Kuwait—that ﬁrst day was a high point. There were not many civilians hurt, which was very important.

Mrs. Bush, you’ve said compromise in Washington has become a dirty word. How were things different when you were in Washington?

GB: It was wonderful. Great love of a father for his son, and from his mother, of course. It was all about family loyalty and pride of a father in his son. Great pride. BB: There just was the physical part of going back to the White House. It was like going home. The staff was the same in most cases, and it was just great. And we’re very proud of Laura. She was wonderful.

BB: Politics stopped at the border. People didn’t criticize the president when he was overseas. But more than that, George could work with [chairman of the Ways and Means Committee] Danny Rostenkowski or [other] Democrats, and Democrats could work with other Republicans. They listened to each other. You get nothing done if you don’t listen to each other. GB: You had to. The [Democrats] controlled both houses of Congress. If you want to get something done, you’ve got to work with them.

The media often characterized your relationship as one president advising another. …

What do you think the parties should do to foster a more productive environment?

GB: We didn’t counsel on various issues. It was more just about father and son—family. For me, anyway. I think he’d say the same thing. BB: He may have talked to you about things, but you never advised. GB: Oh, yeah, we’d talk about things. He never said the “Dad, what do I do now?” kind of thing. BB: Nor was there any competition. People always said, “I read that George was just doing this because he wanted to beat his father.” GB: Yeah, there were a lot of those stories …

BB: I don’t think we should give advice to people

WHAT THE GRANDKIDS SAY

“Sometimes as a kid I wouldn’t be able to fall asleep, so my grandparents would take the time to tuck me in or read me a bedtime story, like One Fat Summer or The Old Man and the Sea. I was the only kid who went back to school with my summer reading list complete.” —George P. Bush, 36, son of Jeb

noble nation, a strong nation, and, hopefully, a kinder, gentler nation, but I can’t point to anything to prove it. BB: Look at what people are doing for returned veterans now. The wounded warriors. They’re working hard to make wounded veterans feel welcomed home, unlike Vietnam. It was not a very kind, gentle world then. It’s just if the Congress would be kinder and gentler, it’d be better. [laughs] There it goes again—the mouth! During your presidency you gave in on your “no new taxes” pledge. You’ve been vindicated in many respects for that decision. I wonder how you view the “no new tax” pledge from Grover Norquist that seems to be requisite for GOP political candidates. GB: The rigidity of those pledges is something I

don’t like. The circumstances change and you can’t be wedded to some formula by Grover Norquist. It’s—who the hell is Grover Norquist, anyway? BB: I think he ought to go back to Alaska. [laughs] Don’t quote me! [A reference to a comment Mrs. Bush made about Sarah Palin in a 2010 interview, in which she said, “I think she’s very happy in Alaska—and I hope she’ll stay there.”] As you look at the trouble spots in the world, do any give you great concern? GB: The Middle East. I’m not one who worries

about China taking over the world and driving us into the Yangtze River. So it’d be the Middle East—the problems affecting the territories. You were there at the opening of China to the West. Has China’s rise surprised you at all? GB: Not really. But if I hadn’t lived over there and been back a few times, I might be a little more surprised. These are industrious people and they’re on the move, and it shouldn’t be a matter of grave worry for the United States. Some people would disagree with that, but I think we have a good relationship [with China]. We ought to keep it that way. BB: They loved family. We were told they didn’t.

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We were very excited about going there. They were just like us.

WHAT THE GRANDKIDS SAY

â&#x20AC;&#x153;My grandfather has a humility and a quiet thoughtfulness. He has had an amazing career, but when youâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;re with him thereâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s no ego trip. My grandmother has always been the more assertive one. Having raised ďŹ ve kids and having all these grandkids, sheâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s a force to be reckoned with. In a good way.â&#x20AC;? â&#x20AC;&#x201D;Lauren Bush, 28, daughter of Neil

Mr. President, you served two terms as vice president under Ronald Reagan. What did you learn from him? GB: Decency, honor, and kindness. He was a remarkable man and a kind guyâ&#x20AC;&#x201D;and generous. He didnâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;t care about the day-to-day legislation and amending the previous motion and all that kind of stuff. He was broad-gauged.

You competed with each other for the nomination in 1980, but you repaired that relationship quickly and worked together toward winning the White House.

LIKE FATHER, LIKE â&#x20AC;Ś With son George at Yale in 1947.

GB: Yeah, I was surprised when he called and asked me to be on his ticket. We were there at the [Republican] Convention [in Detroit]â&#x20AC;&#x201D; BB: We were packing our bags â&#x20AC;Ś GB: â&#x20AC;Ś ready to leave town. And Jebâ&#x20AC;&#x201D;was it Jeb?â&#x20AC;&#x201D;said, â&#x20AC;&#x153;Itâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s not fair, Dad.â&#x20AC;? I said, â&#x20AC;&#x153;What do you mean, itâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s not fair? Of course itâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s fair. We have no reason to feel entitled to something.â&#x20AC;? Then the phone rings and itâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s Reagan saying, â&#x20AC;&#x153;Iâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;d like you to be on the ticket here.â&#x20AC;?

divide earlier this year over the nomination? BB: I think theyâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;ve started. [Mitt Romney has] been endorsed by the other candidates. Thatâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s ever thus. I mean, youâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;re not very pleased with people who whip you verbally for months and then you turn around and youâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;re friends. But thatâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s the way it goes in both parties.

What should Republicans do to repair the bitter

one time, and we talked about every possible [subject]â&#x20AC;&#x201D;one after another. BB: But he never said a mean word about anyone. â&#x20AC;&#x153;[My] brother by another mother,â&#x20AC;? the boys call him. But heâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s very niceâ&#x20AC;&#x201D;I think he thinks of George as the father he never had. Truthfully. I mean that as a compliment. Heâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s been very thoughtful about calling and heâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s a good fellow. Did the friendship surprise you, Mrs. Bush? BB: I was surprised that I liked him, truthfully.

And I do like him a lot. And he and George W. have worked together. I think theyâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;re patriots. Maybe thatâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s the answer to your question.

Which brings to mind your friendship with Bill Clinton. What most surprised you about him?

Have you gotten to know Hillary Clinton?

GB: Well, he knows a lot about everything. Heâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s a

GB: Not well.

very knowledgeable, bright man. He sat out here

BB: No, but I have great respect for her, donâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;t you?

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difference in how I’m perceived. It may be hard to believe, but I’m on the sidelines. I’m not in the middle of all of that anymore. BB: I think he was a great president. I think he is a great man. The [recent] articles all show what a kinder, gentler, wiser, better prepared man George Bush was. He didn’t have to have training on the job. … GB: I knew where the keys to the men’s room were. BB: Well, there’s that, too. [laughs] You know, [former Time magazine White House bureau chief] Hugh Sidey told me, “The greatest fault your husband had was that he never took credit. If it went well, he gave someone else credit.” Well, what’s wrong with that? I must say, I couldn’t live with an egomaniac. [laughs] Bad enough to have one in the family. Can’t have two! How will history ultimately view George Herbert Walker Bush? GB: I hope kindly, but I don’t know. We’re not trying to shape [history], to point out all the wonderful things we did. I think you’ll ﬁnd out what I did right and what I did wrong. I think history will get it right.

Mark K. Updegrove is the director of the LBJ Presidential Library. Jeryl Brunner provided additional reporting. 14 • July 15, 2012

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parents still go there every August, and now I take my daughters. On the dining room wall, there is an incredible list going back to 1967 of events from each summer—you know, Mika swims across the pool or Mark catches the hugest mackerel. All the highlights of each year—the good, the bad, and the ugly— are on that wall. I honestly don’t know how we’d ever let this house go because it’s so much a part of our history.

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every summer growing up we’d drive across the country to visit my dad’s family in San Diego and go to Disneyland. My father was an absolute tyrant behind the wheel—he’d drive 14 hours a day with three young kids. But we really saw the country, whether it was the swamps of Louisiana, the Painted Desert, or the Hoover Dam—I wish I had a dollar for every time I had

to act awed at the Hoover Dam! But we loved it. MIKA BRZEZINSKI: My family drove north to Maine. My parents bought a house there 45 years ago for $14,000, and they haven’t done a thing to it since. It’s a huge Victorian on the water. My mother would drive my brothers and me up there in a station wagon with a rabbit, a cat, a dog, and a snake. My

JS: Now we go every year to Seaside, Florida. It is the one place where I can disconnect as much as I’ll ever be able to, in part because it has such terrible cell phone service. My younger kids are happy just playing in the backyard, kicking a soccer ball.

we’ve moved up north, my family drives to Hyannis Port [in Massachusetts] and takes the ferry to Nantucket. We enjoy the parade down the main street. It’s a blast for the kids; it’s about as traditional as it comes, with face-painting and water balloon ﬁghts. And there are ﬁreworks at night. I associate the summer with ribs, but as I’ve gotten older and started eating better, I absolutely love vegetables—how ripe the tomatoes and corn are—and how everything comes alive. I love it.

MB: My favorite thing about summer is lobster dinners at our house in Maine with a lot of vodka. We ask all the kids around the table—at this point, there are five grandchildren— what their favorite part of the day was. It’s always something MB: It’s really hard wayward, fun, and whimsical: a to take a break, massive jellyfish attack or Tune in to especially this year, the time the dog jumped Morning Joe on MSNBC, because election in the water. That’s the weekdays news is 24/7. I’m moment when I say to from 6 a.m. a.m m. too 9 a.m. a m.. myse always asking myself, “Wow, finally, n for one on second, time has people for advice on sstopped and I can the subject because it’s a big challenge. just take a breath and think about JS: I love the Fourth h how wonderful of July. Since life is.”

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