REFUTING ENGINEER ALI MIRZA OF JHELUM
ENGINEER ALI MIRZA OF JHELUM AND HIS CONSPIRACY IN SUPPORT OF MIRZAIS AND NUSAIRIAH
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SOME QUESTIONS ENGINEER “ALI: MIRZA: IN REGARD TO LAHORITES [FOLLOWERS OF MUH:AMMAD “ALI: LAHO:RI] Engineer “Ali: Mirza: has explicitly admitted that he declares Qa:dinanis as Ka:fir only due to one reason and that is they declare him [his followers and others] as Ka:fir. If they do not declare him [his followers and others ] as Ka:fir he would not have declared them as Ka:fir. The very same thing he says about Nas:irites [Nas:i:ris] of Sha:m . Ref:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bFRkxlqGWU See the Video from 5:35m to 7:09m The total video is of 45:01 m
According to ‘Ahlussunnah [Non Barailiviah] Both of the sects stated above are Ka:fir Primarily on their believes. 1] Qa:diya:nis are Ka:fir due to the reason that they denounce the FINALITY AND LASTHOOD OF HOLY PROPHET [PBUH]. 2] Na:s:i:rites are Ka:fir and Mushrik for believing in the Divinity of Saiyiduna: “Ali: RD: Whether they declare others as Ka:fir or not is a separate issue . Suppose that if they had declared others as Muslims even then they were Ka:fir. There Takfi:r [Declaration of Kufr] is Necessary. Engineer “Ali: Mirza: in some of his other lectures has declared that if a person claims to be a Muslim yet hold some articles of Shirk or exercises some Shirk , such a person is still a Muslim. [Na”u:dh:ubillah]. His followers were warned for his Kufri and Shirki believes. BUT now his is totally exposed and he is found to be guilty of one of the greatest Heresies and Apostasies in the 21th Century CE. What he said clearly imply that he accepts Lahorites sect of Mirzaism [Also known as ‘Ahmadism] as Muslims [Na”u:dh:billah]. It must be noted that ‘Ahlussunnah declare both sects of Mirza:’ism namely Qa:diya:nism [Qadianites] And Lahorism [Lahorites ,also known as Ahmadiah] as Ka:fir beyond any shadow of doubt. Page 3 of 9
Page 4 of 9 But what about the Apostate Engineer of Jhelum. As he is inspired from Lahorites and Lahorism he cannot declare them as Ka:fir upon his own standard as he said in his lecture. Lahorites claim that they use ther term Nabi for Mirza: Gh:ula:m .Ah:mad in the literal meaning. Muh:ammad “Ali: Laho:ri says in the book “How I used the Word 'Nabi' (Prophet) in my Writings (1941 edition) by Muh:ammad “Ali: Lahori “.
“. Again in 1914, when I observed some doubts being created, I wrote a note on an article published in Review under the title "Ahmad is a Prophet" (I was not the author of this article), and my note on this article read as under: "The word Prophet (Nabi) has not been used in its Shariah terminological meanings because in that sense Holy Prophet Muhammad, peace be on him, is the Last of the Prophets. Rather the word Prophet in this article has been used in its wider meanings indicating one who makes prophecies after receiving news from Allah and it is that favour which is promised by Allah to all righteous Muslims in the Holy Quran in the verse: "LAHUM-UL-BUSHRAA FIL HAYAT AD DUNYA" Ref: See : http://aaiil.org/text/books/mali/howusedwordnabiwritings/howusedwordnabiwritings.shtml
THIS does shew that Engineer “Ali: Mirza of Jhelum does not declare Muh:ammad “Ali: Lahori and his sect as Ka:fir due to two of his self reasoned arguments. The self reasoned arguments of Engineer “Ali: Mirza: are given below: 1] Engineer “Ali: Mirza: confessed that he declares Qadiyanites as Ka:fir ONLY because they declare him [his followers and Muslims] as Ka:fir. Engineer “Ali: Mirza: further admitted that if they had not declared him [his followers and Muslims] as Ka:fir ,he would not have declared them as Ka:fir. Now we apply the scheme of Engineer “Ali: Mirza: on Lahorites. What Lahorites say is as follow: 1] Muh:ammad “Ali: Lahori says in his book:=
Firstly, had I ever attributed the same meanings to the word 'Nabi' in my writings which the Qadiani's do, then most evidently, like Qadiani's, I too, in any of my writings, would have called those who do not believe in the Founder of the Movement, a Kafir. Not once but at scores of times I have challenged these gentlemen to point out or quote even one reference from my voluminous writings wherein I may have called a non-Ahmadi a Kafir. Reference: http://aaiil.org/text/books/mali/howusedwordnabiwritings/howusedwordnabiwritings.shtml So one thing is clear, Lahorites canno declare Engineer “Ali: Mirza: as Ka:fir as according to the sentences of their founder Muh:ammad “Ali: Lahori: , and as a reward Engineer “Ali: Mirza: cannot declare them as Ka:fir according to he own self invented principle. Page 4 of 9
Page 5 of 9 This exposes that the Engineer “Ali: Mirza: is either a Laho:ri in his heart or he has borrowed heavily from their founder Muh:ammad “Ali: Laho:ri: . In either case Engineer “Ali: Mirza is on the Manhaj of Lahorites and not on the Manhaj of ‘Ahlussunnah. Now we come to the second argument of Engineer “Ali: Mirza: of Jhelum. This Apostate Engineer of Jhelum says that Qadiyanis cannot accept Engineer “Ali: Mirza: as Muslim since if after denying claims of Mirza: Gh:ula:m ‘Ah:mad of Qa:diya:n, if Engineer “Ali: Mirza: [ofJhelum ] remains a Muslim then Mirza: Gh:ula:m ‘Ah:mad Qa:diya:ni cannot be a prophet. Hear Engineer “Ali: Mirza: of Jhelum provides an argument why Qa:diya:nis cannot accept EngineeR “Ali: Mirza: as a Muslim. But what about Lahorites. They can accept Mirza of Jhelum as Muslim, since their founder have said := 1] Don't the above two quotations make it abundantly clear that I am using the word 'Nabi' (Prophet) in its literal
dictionary meanings and not in its terminological shariah [religious law] sense; and I consider the doors of Prophethood closed; and don't believe in the appearance of Prophets and messengers in this Ummah, but believe in the appearance of people like or similar to them -- in accordance with the Hadith, "Ulema of any Ummah are like the prophets of Israel." See : http://aaiil.org/text/books/mali/howusedwordnabiwritings/howusedwordnabiwritings.shtml What does this shew? This shews that Muh:ammad “Ali: Lahori: satisfies the both condition of Engineer “Ali: Mirza: of Jhelum. As after denying all claims of Mirza: Gh:ula:m ‘Ah:mad of Qa:diya:n ,Engineer “Ali: Mirza: remains as a Muslim according to the Lahorites. Now as according to Engineer “Ali: Mirza: of Jhelum Mirza: of Qa:diyan is not a Prophet only because Mirza: Of Jhelum denies claims of Mirza: of Qa:diyan yet remains a Muslim. But Lahorites say that Mirza of Qa:diya:n was a prophet in the literal meaning and not in the Terminology of Shar”iah. So Engineer “Ali: Mirza: remains a Muslim as according to Lahorites even if the Engineer of Jhelum denies all the claims of Mirza. So Engineer “Ali: Mirza: following the third law of Motion discovered by Newton and enforcing it in religious domain has no option but to declare Lahorites as Muslims [Na”u:dh:billah]. THE PROBLEM OF NAS:I:RITES. Now we come to an other sect to which Engineer “Ali: Mirza: has shown his sympathies. Nus:airites [Nas:i:ries] are also known as “Alavites. Not to be confused with the descendants of “Ali: RD:. They are also called as Nas:i:ries. About the founder of the sect the Wekipedia says:=
Abū Shuʿayb Muḥammad ibn Nuṣayr al-numayri[1] was a disciple of the tenth Twelver Imam, Ali al‐Hadi and of the eleventh Twelver Imam, Hasan al‐Askari (d. 873). Ibn Nusayr was known to his companions as a representative (bāb) of al‐Askari and of the twelfth Twelver Imam, Page 5 of 9
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Muhammad al‐Mahdi during the Minor Occultation.[2][3] A rival of his in claiming to be the bāb (door) to the Imams was Abu Yaqub Ishaq, founder of the Ishaqiyya.[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Nusayr 1] Wekipedia says about their believes as follow:
Alawites identify as Shiite Muslims. But their theology and rituals break from mainstream Shiite Islam in several remarkable ways. For one, the Alawites reject sharia. They also drink alcohol in their rituals; while other Muslims abstain from alcohol, Alawites are encouraged to drink socially in moderation. Finally, like other ghulat Shiite sects, they deify Ali ibn Talib and believe in reincarnation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alawites 2] Their theology is based on a divine triad,[60][74][75] or trinity, which is the core of Alawite belief. [76]
The triad comprises three emanations of the one God: the supreme aspect or entity called the "Essence"[76] or the "Meaning"[75] (both being translations of maʿnā), together with two lesser emanations known as his "Name" (ism), or "Veil" (ḥijāb), and his "Gate" (bāb).[74][75][76][77] These emanations have manifested themselves in different human forms over several cycles in history, the last cycle of which was as Ali (the Essence/Meaning), Muhammad (the Name) and Salman the Persian (the Gate).[74][76][77][78][79] Alawite belief is summarised in the formula: “I turn to the Gate; I bow before the Name; I adore the Meaning.”[5][60] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alawites
Now One may ‘Ask “Ali Mirza: of Jhelum whether to consider Sayiduna : “Ali: RD: as God or God Incarnate or Incarnation of God or Incarnated God is Shirk or not. If each one of the above believes /beliefs are Shirk then “Alavites/ Nus:airies/Nus:airites/Nas:i:rites are Mushrik and Ka:fir. If this is the case then this sect is Ka:fir on the ground that they are Mushrik and Ka:fir. It is totally different thing whether they declare Muslims ,Engineer “Ali:Mirza and the followers of Engineer “Ali: Mirza: as Ka:fir or not. What does this shew: ? Engineer “Ali: does not consider their belief of incarnation as Shirk and kufr and does not declare then as Kafir and Mushrik due to their beliefs/believes. But he declare them as Ka:fir just because they declare all the Muslims ,Engineer “Ali: Mirza: and the followers of Engineer “Ali: Mirza: as Ka:fir. The single reason of the declaration as according to the Engineer of Jhelum. Page 6 of 9
Page 7 of 9 QUESTIONS 1] If a Person recites Kalimah and claims to be a Muslim yet does believe in some articles of Kufr [atleast one] then whether he is Kafir due to belief in the articles of Kufr [atleast one] or he is ka:fir only in the case he declares Muslims as Ka:fir other wise not? 2] If Engineer “Ali: Mirza: does not declare such a person as Ka:fir on be ground of his belief in articles of Kufr [atleast one] and on the ground of Takfi:r then does it not shew that Engineer “Ali Mirza: does not consider these articles as Kufr with Certainty but only disputes with them? Both are two different things. 3] How can Engineer “Ali: Mirza: declare a person Muslim who do not consider the concept of Incarnation and Manifestation of God or a Hypostasis of God in Human Beings or as Human Beings? 4] Is it not Kufr to call any person as Nabi: [Prophet] in the Literal Meaning of “Arabic. If it is so them why Engineer “Ali: Mirza: bases his Takfi:r [Declaration of Kufr] not on the believes of Mirza’is and bases his Takfi:r on the Takfi:r done by Qa:diya:nis? 5] Engineer “Ali: Mirza did not declare those who claim to be a Muslim and believe in some articles of Shirk, then does it mean that if they declare Engineer of Jhelum as Ka:fir , he shall declare them as Ka:fir not due to their beliefs/believes but due to their TAKFI:R of him? 6] Doe this not shew Ra:fid:ism of Engineer “Ali: Mirza. Since some Mushriks say that Holy Prophet was “ ‘Ah:mad with out Mi:m” i.e ‘Ah:ad. Does Engineer “Ali: Mirza: declare them as Ka:fir amd Mushrik just on their this belief or he is still waiting for they day he is declared as Ka:fir from them and on this possible day of future Engineer “Ali: Mirza: is likely to declare them as Ka:fir. 7] Engineer “Ali: Mirza: did say:= If today Qa:diya:niah and Nas:iriah do begin to consider us as Muslim, we shall stop declaring them as Ka:fir. (We shall stop doing their Takfi:r). Does this not mean that Engineer “Ali: Mirza does not consider their respective beliefs as Kufr or Shirk or both? If so then Engineer “Ali: Mirza: is a Apostate and Heretic and there can be no interpretation of this sentence of Engineer Ali: Mirza.
WE CONFIRM THAT THE ABOVE STATED SECTS ARE NOT MUSLIMS IRRESPECTIVE OF THEIR ACTS WHETHER THEY DECLARE MUSLIMS AS KAFIR OR NOT. THEY ARE KA:FIR ON THE GROUNDS OF THEIR BELIEFS Page 7 of 9
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AND ARTICLES OF KUFR IN WHICH THEY BELIEF [ATLEAST ONE].
TO THE MUSLIMS OF THE WORLD AS IT IS SHOWN THAT ENGINEER “ALI: MIRZA IS A HERETIC AND APOSTATE FOR THE SAKE OF GOD PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO HIS LECTURES UNLESS AND OTHERWISE YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE TO DETECT HIS FALLACIES AND APOSTASIES IN HIS LECTURES. TO THE FOLLOWERS OF ENGINEER “ALI MIRZA HOW MANY PROOFS AND EVIDENCES DO YOU REQUIRE TO CONVINCE YOU THAT THIS MAN FROM JHELUM IS A APOSTATE, AN INNOVATOR AND A HERETIC . PLEASE THINK AGAIN. HE IS A PERSON WHO CAN DESTROY YOUR FAITH. THANKS.
DISCLAIMER THE AUTHOR IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY MEANING DUE TO ERROR OF THE TYPIST.
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