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Big Picture "eLearning" by hsma on Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:48 pm It occured to me that what Gordon is looking for is on a higher plain than where I was at. Look at the following Headers as an outline begins to form.

1/ Start up, information is loaded in the system for individuals.

2/ Books, a data base consisting of text, review tests, grading system, logging system, wrong answers highlited, study groups auto organized, emails to group members, teachers list of student needs (per group), group report for teacher (outline of instructional needs), etc...

3/Real time Parent Emails, District Reports, State Reports, National, International.

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3/Real time Parent Emails, District Reports, State Reports, National, International.

Let's look at why we're not at the top of the Educational Pile, and what we need to get there....

4/Trade Shows.

5/ Current Data Bases. (What Troy all ready has working) (Speed Reader, JePARTY Game, etc.)

6/ Time Lines, Where we want to be in 3,6,9..... Months from now...

I have been looking at what is needed on a lower plain also and need to talk to Troy about how and if these are possible. Please remember that once the original Info. is in the rest is Automatic. hsma Posts: 8 Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:25 am Top

Re: Big Picture by gkraft on Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:21 am Two paths end in the same place.

If we focus on the unemployed unemployed, we will have a multitude of people that need education assistance. This direction will be less difficult due to the number of those needing help. The traditional Public School direction (path) will be problematic due to the fact that they are set in their ways and have resisted for far too long any change.

The education of the unemployed will dramatically improve the nations economy rapidly by helping them get jobs... The traditional Public School will only pay attention if we achieve success in the unemployed path first.

Yes the traditional Public School System needs to improve, high school drop outs are at a record level, early pregnancies, drugs, etc. are a major problem and the Public School System has become more of a prison than a learning place. When you watch kids disadvantaged in other countries, they are sitting in their chairs and paying attention, not text messaging during class, etc. Because they want a better http://www.aiengines.com/forum1/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=22

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paying attention, not text messaging during class, etc. Because they want a better life...

THIS does not mean that we should stop working on the traditional Public School System CBT! gkraft Site Admin Posts: 25 Joined: Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:49 am Location: Naples Website Top

Re: Big Picture by hsma on Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:54 am One of the problems is the situation is so large that it is hard to focus on what can bring results. If we apply the 80/20 rule, then the most impact will be working with the 20% of the unemployed that are employable. A lot of organizations are working independantly and it is hard to find them. There I go again, it is hard to focus on the Education without getting into "Job Hunting Services." There are numerious companies to teach you how to do a resume but how can we be different. Maybe the service needs to pole the companies to get the data that will drive the service.

John Malloy wrote "Dress for Success" and "Live for Success" by testing the reactions of people in companies to unrelated elements, clothing, collors, etc. When Paterson bought NCR it only had something like $.98in the bank and with a sales force developed by him, his marketing made it an international company. (I just hit a wall. More will come later) hsma Posts: 8 Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:25 am Top http://www.aiengines.com/forum1/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=22

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Re: Big Picture by gkraft on Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:43 am The Head Hunters across America would also like to advertise in this... Please continue your excellent work, I agree this topic of Education and Training should include How to Find a Job. The Big Picture needs some graphics to organize and connect the first time reader in a manner that will make sense to all. I will contact my Flash Artist/Animation expert in Santa Cruz and see if he has a little time to help us... gkraft Site Admin Posts: 25 Joined: Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:49 am Location: Naples Website Top

Re: Big Picture by troy on Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:44 am Two or three or four or five, paths end in the same place.

Having worked for a number of years building interactive pieces for Pharma, one thing is very clear to me. No matter how flashy the front end, if there is no infrastructure it goes the way of the dinosaurs. This happens because it has no real value to the client.

If done correctly the infrastructure can accommodate a variety of what you are calling paths. Courseware is everywhere, from the guy who sells the computer training on TV, to the learn Spanish in 2 weeks . . . .

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We need the flashy fast paced front end to help hold interest, but in order for that to have lasting value it needs an robust underlying infrastructure that is capturing and processing the data. The majority of the data would be simply stored to be processed after the fact, when the Educator queries it. A smart application would however use some of the data on the fly to help determine the weakness.

For example a student misses a trigonometry problem applying the pythagorean theorem. Was it because they don't understand the theorem or because they made a mistake in the math. A smart application could include a follow up question to help make that determination.

I apologize for digressing. The point I am trying to make is the infrastructure is the road. If built correctly it doesn't matter what vehicle is driving on it.

The courseware itself, the content is for the Educators to provide. If we provide the road, if we provide engines for the vehicles in the form of applications (speed reader, quiz games, etc) the content can be anything the Educator chooses for the course in question.

Somebody once said, "the shortest distance between any two points is online". We can educate adults, children, housewives, employed or unemployed all using the same infrastructure. To tighten our focus too much could limit the potential for success.

I wouldn't discount the Public Schools just yet. In this little backwards town called Pittsburgh, they opened a Charter School, City High. City-High was set up to help students adapt to the real world work force. Each student was provided with a laptop, assignments were downloaded from the website and turned in via email. No room for the dog ate my homework (unless you have a rottie with a penchant for silicon).

I think the biggest obstacle the Public Schools face is the cost involved with building the infrastructure and engines. We can provide those pieces of the puzzle, at a low per user cost. Add to that the fact that since it is being build independently it would have the ability to unite the content provided across Districts, across States. At the same time providing access to the same road for those looking for jobs, those studying for their ged, etc. troy http://www.aiengines.com/forum1/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=22

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Re: Big Picture by gkraft on Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:47 am Right as usual Troy, yet I envision a future that changes the traditional educational methods (Talking Heads) with more visual involvement for the student since the future students are operating and learning at the "Speed of Sight" with their Playstation 3's, XBOX, and Wii...

Like I told Troy, many of us have ideas that we think are brilliant and "an original work", yet several others seem to be listening like this pic from Engaget.com:

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gkraft Site Admin Posts: 25 Joined: Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:49 am Location: Naples Website Top

Re: Big Picture

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by hsma on Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:48 pm Here I go with my reverse thinking again. Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that the current way to find a job it for the Applicant to do the searching. What if we connect the "Job Centers" with a hub that scans for particular words or comments that would aline them with job opportunities. Troy I need a sounding board for this. hsma Posts: 8 Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:25 am Top Display posts from previous:

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