benpadiah vs. AboveTopSecret.com

benpadiah versus ATS.com

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“this is the most scariest illuminati document i ever read...” http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread468597/pg1 “the Pythagorean Order of Death (remarks)” http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread537034/pg1 “illuminati-order.com [HOAX]” http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread537788/pg1 “the Order of Thule [HOAX]” http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread537782/pg1 “humor me, let’s talk about Supriem Rockefeller” http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread490771/pg1 “What is Atlantean Democracy?” http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread541375/pg1 “Shapeshifting reptilians and you.” http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread536949/pg1 “I’m a reincarnation of Jesus Christ... are you?” (“psychology, philosophy and metaphysics” forum url unknown) “UFO schematics (by Jon Gee)” (“skunkworks” forum url unknown) all writing in this e-book is © Jonathan Barlow Gee, 2009, 2010, except where indicated.

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INTRODUCTION I joined ATS.com forums on 12-22-2009, immediately after completing and uploading to youtube an instructional video on my new board-game design for “Atlantean Democracy.” I made my first post there Christmas eve in the previously written thread, “this is the most scariest illuminati document I ever read,” which was about the “Lemurian Bank Charter” doucment I had written a year before for the POD. From then until April, 9th, 2010, when I was IP banned from all access to the forums, I posted over 100 times, uploaded multiple pic and vid media, earned over 1000 “points” (in the form of stars and flags) and achieved the badge of a “solid contributor.”

The reason I was banned from, and can now never again view, the ATS.com forums is yet unknown to me, officially. I was never sent an email explaining why they closed my account. I was in the middle of reporting a troll for flaming one of my posts and attempting to derail one of my threads with off-topic ad hominem personal attacks, and had just opened a mod-forum issue over the unexplained deletion of my thread “Apophis 2012” in their 2012 forum. I was already under a “posting ban” due to repeated warnings for “advertising,” by having posted and linked to content I had created myself. The final post I made was in the thread under the “general conspiracies” forum, begun by “Springer,” the site-owner, himself, titled, “ATS is a government-run disinformation ring.” I had claimed the trolls who had been flaming me the past few nights were actually sock-accounts created by the ATS’ own paid moderator staff. That is, I believe, why I was banned.

Of my over 100 posts, I kept the following 45, considering them better than the rest. I have left their formatting for the forum’s BBcode the same as in my original posts, and have not altered any of the text in them in anyway aside from to cut and paste, to alter font, and to format margins. I believe these 45 posts speak for themselves, and that anyone who reads them will be able to come to their own intelligent conclusion about why I was banned from ATS.com forums for their content. As an appendix at the end I have included the ATS.com legal disclaimer (the so-called “Terms and Service” agreement), and the “Above Network Corporation’s” mission-statement. By contrasting my posts’ content with the moderators’ loose-interpretation of their T&S regarding their “no advertising” policy, any reader will quickly be able to tell why.

My threads on ATS.com have not been removed, although I, their author, am still not allowed access to read or view them on the ATS.com site. That is how an IP ban works.

None of these threads have been moved to the “[HOAX]” fourm either, which means that, credibly, they could not claim I was banned for being a “sham” (as the trolls accused me). The reason they banned me can, legally speaking, only be assumed to have been for “repeated infractions of their T&S by advertising my own content.” Of course, only on a site dedicated to “disinformation” would anyone have dreamt up such a rule, let alone found lackies to enforce it for them by clicking some buttons.

I now present the following of my writings from posts made on ATS.com in the hope that they will try to sue me for reposting content I’d originally posted on their site. I am sure they would if they thought that they could. It states clearly enough in their “authoritarian” mission-statement that they advocate the group, the mob and thugs.

They hate individuals, individualism and individual thought. Thus, I intend to from now until the unknown future, here to eternity, avoid ATS.com and the people who post there as moderators and / or trolls. I would love to be able to sue them all for defamation of character, but alas, what they lack in reason, I lack in reasources.

Please enjoy. PEACE. - Jon Gee, April 21, 2010.

[quote][i]Originally posted by Algebra[/i] When you say you'd merge "The church" and the banks you leave me with the impression that you havent included faiths like Islam for example in to the equation.[/quote] Which is exactly why you would need to read the entire POD document rather than only listening to me gossip about it if you want to understand the real meaning of any of this.

However, as to your point about the "faith of Islam," no, the POD does not encourage violence, such as either Crusade or Jihad. We do not have any part at all to play in the economically-staged "war between religions" which is going on now in the Middle East. We do not respect anyone who believes in this war either, because they are, by majority, the same people who believe the world will end soon in an unavoidable apocalypse they desire to cause themselves.

Therefore, I should be clear on this fact, yet again: the "Church" that will be merged with the banks is not any existing religion that is being followed already right now.

It is the "Lemurian" Church, which contains the key to unlocking the secret of the ECS. Now, the ECS contains the secret of telepathy, as I've said, as well as how to harness ZPE and create a limitless energy-commodity, as well as accessing a natural techology for the storage of information, similar to how we depend on computers today.

The "Church" of Lemuria is a "bank" for the collection and distribution of this new form of "free energy," which will replace money, technology, as well as terrestrial vehicles.

Insofar as now, this energy remains considered by the masses "esoteric" in nature, it is known to the POD as well as to some of the top ranking neo-Sethians alone.

However, simply because these select inner-circle of neo-Sethians have been lording their knowledge over the heads of these masses does not mean its inevitable "disclosure" will necessarily come through them.

It has long been considered accepted fact among many that the end of religion will not mean the end of the world. We in the POD understand that this extends to the degree that the end of religion is the beginning of a "new age" for human mental evolution, freed from the shackles of existing institutions, when our minds will again regain ideals that can only be called "Atlantean."

PEACE. - Jon [quote][i]Originally posted by beebs[/i] could this Atlantean democratic civilization Vedic?[/quote]

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The Vedic system was very different from the form of Atlantean Democracy. In point of fact, there can be no real proof if Atlantean Democracy was ever truly practised, even in Atlantis. It has been preserved, since the time of the Mesopatmain flood, as the "sacred science" of the lost utopia, however it may have never been perfected even there.

The Vedic system invented castes, or classes, of society. Atlantean Democracy

repudiates this structure. We identify only two existing classes of people: citizeninitiates, and non-psychic money-slaves. Within the POD "bund" system there are 5 equal orders that operate as the "political parties" of the Atlantean government.

However these political parties are distinguished by their idealogoical roles, and not by economic status. [quote][i]Originally posted by beebs[/i] Are you familiar with this guy?: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Creme]Benjamin Creme[/url] [/quote] Yes I am. The POD study all possible works on math, magic, metaphysics and mysticism we can. This includes those of the modern "Ascended Masters" school of latter-day Theosophy. Although there remain a few differences of opinion among our members, I personally associate this group with our enemies the neo-Sethians.

Others among us see more value in the "New Age" movement than I do, however. [quote][i]Originally posted by beebs[/i] And I noticed you mentioned psychic vampirism, and also the reptilian part of the brain in the document.[/quote] I'd like it if you could quote the mention of the hind-brain from the document for me.

I mention that topic from time to time, but can't recall the context it was in there just now. I will explain more then.

Psychic vampirism, as we in the Order of Death all know too well, is a very real and VERY prevalent thought-crime currently being commited across the whole of planet earth. The greatest psychic-vampires alive at this time are David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, Henry Kravitz, etc. who deprive the people of their rightful share of liquid financial assets in order to dumb them down to their true mental potential. [quote][i]Originally posted by beebs[/i] What of the theory of Icke and others of 'Reptilian shape shifters'?[/quote] The "reptilian shape-shifters" and the "neo-Sethians" are one and the same. The POD identify this group by their religious-philosophy, and not by their metaphysical mutations. Hence, when we say "neo-Sethians," we are referring to the group who plot the destruction of earth by the title of their philosophy: "neo-Sethianism." Seth's second-coming was heralded 2000 years ago, and so "neo-Sethianism" heralds the "second-coming" of Jesus. Thus, another name for "neo-Sethians" would be "secondcomingist Christians." However we in the POD prefer the term "neo-Sethians."

The "neo-Sethians" are often confused for "reptilian shape-shifters" due to the mutation that causes the physical dis-ability of dimensional-slipping, or "shapeshifting." Many of the upper-most elites in control of politics and economics suffer from this rare disability from having seen, or been exposed to contact with, timetravel technology. However others manifest this mutation naturally. However, there are many forms of "aliens," or time-travellers, living amongst us, and shape-shifters are only one. The neo-Sethians who do shape-shift, however, always manifest as reptilian.

So far as I can explain it, the "neo-Sethians" shape-shift reptilian not because this is their primary genetic trait (anymoreso than anybody else's, even birds), but because, given a long enough time-span, each of us alive now will have evolved into a different form of "animal" faction. The reptilians of the future are the "neo-

Sethians" of today.

PEACE. - Jon [quote][i]Originally posted by beebs[/i] Is this why vampires are 'coming back into fashion'? Are we trying to be told something by someone, or is it just more of a reflection of the collective consciousness - and growing awareness?[/quote] Art is not a reflection of life, it's our interior attempt to interpret the exterior world.

Life is not a reflection of art, unless we obey such agit-prop slogans mindlessly.

However, if you want my movie review of films I'm planning to never even watch, I can only offer you the advice: you do not want me to start just making up stuff. That is just a big waste of my time. [quote][i]Originally posted by beebs[/i] How do you feel/what do you think about current blockbuster movies, and the similar themes in them to what you have proposed?[/quote] I really don't follow current blockbuster movies, so if they have any similar themes to anything I've proposed I am unaware of this. Thanks for the news.

As I say, though, if you probably never will, then I give 1 star. The last movie stopped going to see movies

want my movie-review of movies I haven't seen, and will give "Avatar" 2 out of 5 stars, and "Twilight 2" I will I saw in the theatre was 2012, and it reminded me why I in the theatre to begin with. No stars.

However, the official POD take on the movie-industry in Hollywood is something worth commenting on: Hollywood as in image factory must compromise between "populist" socio-economic agendas in the US capitol, and what they can sell to their production company owners and accountants in New York. Only two independent movies have broken that mold that I am aware of. Clerks and the Blair Witch Project both shot for under 100,000 dollars, and both raked in millions upon millions at the box office. The content of these "outsider" takes on reality should be more important than the big-budget propaganda fictions like "Birth of a Nation," "Triumph of the Will," "Fiddler on the Roof," or "Avatar."

Remember, fascism disguised as socialism is what won Hitler the vice-Chancellorship.

PEACE. - Jon [quote][i]Originally posted by Project2501[/i] a superb job of perverting Pythagoreanism btw, playing on the devalued hopes & nightmares of modern day conspiracies.[/quote] Yes, I can see how you might think that, since I haven't discussed any of the mathematical concepts here yet, and have been too busy fending off charges of being part of problems I oppose, not the least of which is the modern "psychic conspiracy."

If you'd like a good book to read that might help you change your point of view on the POD, check out the biography of Pythagoras I wrote for the Order:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13825459/Pythagoras As for the "logic cube" or dice, I haven't heard of your references, nor will I be clicking your wiki-links. The "logic cube" I invented can be best explained in my own video about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU8NZQagwS8 It is based on the six questions of logical reasoning, a concept I explored in depth in my 2001 book, the "Formal System of Metaphysics." http://www.scribd.com/doc/7527078/the-Formal-System-of-Metaphysics-Revised Also, as regards your denunciations of the originality of the "Enochian" system of John Dee, I fail to see how it pertains to this discussion. I would recommend this short series of videos I produced about John Dee. http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=BF5576A3FD753552 for those who doubt my own inventions' claim to authenticity due to associating me with anyone else, I'll also add a link to the page about the calendar ECS which I recombined from a dozen other systems (including that of Dr. Dee). http://www.benpadiah.com/calendar.html [quote][i]Originally posted by beebs[/i] And wow, you are NOT aware of David Wilcock and Project Camelot? [/quote] I'll admit I've seen a few vids online of interviews by the Project Camelot team; enough to know what obnoxious intereviewers they make. I am unaware and indifferent about their motivating agenda, and probably won't be breaking down their door trying to be interviewed any time soon. Thanks for the links though.

Also, as a side note for now, I'd like to share some UFO schematics I drew a while back.

I think they might prove a bit more approachable for many of you than the governmental structures being proposed by the POD. http://www.benpadiah.com/otherstuff/UFO/UFO.html http://www.scribd.com/doc/7863161/UFO-Schematics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygOSW9J5iIU PEACE. - Jon Order of Death, that is, the "psychic conspiracy." certain celestial events to one another, occuring only for us now.

As of 2010: any "neo-Sethian" millennarian eschatologist is declared the enemy of the POD. Thus, from our "Pythagorean" point of view, the "neo-Sethians" of today include anyone who advocates the agenda of ending the world.

The "Church" of Lemuria is a "bank" for the collection and distribution of this new form of "free energy," which will replace money, technology, as well as terrestrial vehicles.

We identify only two existing classes of people: citizen-initiates, and non-psychic money-slaves. Within the POD "bund" system there are 5 equal orders that operate as the "political parties" of the Atlantean government. However these political parties

are distinguished by their idealogoical roles, and not by economic status. the hind-brain The "reptilian shape-shifters" and the "neo-Sethians" are one and the same.... Thus, another name for "neo-Sethians" would be "second-comingist Christians." metaphysical mutations.... the mutation that causes the physical dis-ability of dimensional-slipping, or "shape-shifting." Many of the upper-most elites in control of politics and economics suffer from this rare disability from having seen, or been exposed to contact with, time-travel technology. However others manifest this mutation naturally.... given a long enough time-span, each of us alive now will have evolved into a different form of "animal" faction. fascism disguised as socialism is what won Hitler the vice-Chancellorship. the root of all evil behind 48 lies in front.

Money is energy, currency is electricity, and transactions are circuit conductors in the AI mind of civilisation itself. This is the ECS: the combined socio-cybernetic "super-organism" and the "Gaia" principle of a living mind of planet earth itself.

The oldest profession is not prostitution. It is banking. The oldest trick in the book is being a pimp. But the book of that "law" is a ledger. Slavery to money is prostitution of the soul.

I consider L. Ron Hubbard a fraud In a real utopia, there would not be any need for a military of any kind.... where peace is a pre-existing condition, no weapons would be necessary anywhere, and thus no war would be possible. Peace perpetuates itself indefinitely. Peace. - Jon on recognising the reptilians: you don't have to be a reptilian yourself to see them as they truly are. However, during the end-times scenarios they've been running on the Gaia-grid (the so-called "morphogeneic field" of ley-lines on earth), using sub-conscious radio signals since Reagan, all the reptilians undercover acting as humans now will shape-shift and there will be revealed to be a very large (possibly in the billions) population of them here on earth living with us. Thus, the ability to recognise the reptilians uses the hind-brain, and so can make one more alike the repitlians, in their excessive paranoia and obsessions with blood and sex, over a long enough period of time. on the reptilian humanoid sub-species: the reptilians of today are a de-evolution from humanity, which reached its peak as a species in 2000AD. The reptilians are one of the first de-evolutionary sub-species to devolve from us, and have been around in some form all along, however buried in the so-called "genetic memory." From 2000 to 2008 they pretty much ran this place.

They are one of two sub-species to devolve from us. The other is much less common now, but will eventually over-run the reptilians. These are the so-called "bugs."

William Burroughs, that mugwump, was part reptilian and part bug. GHWB is a bug.

Dick Cheney is a bug. Kafka was a bug.

The reason these twin species are devolving from humanity now, and often right before our very eyes, is that the flesh of man, like a lizard's skin, will atrophy, and like an insect metamorphosise into new forms. Thus, these oldest genetic traits, in reverse order in our historical unearthing of them, reappear now within the DNA mutations of modern time-travellers. In the future, once time-travel is more common, the bugs and reptiles will go to war in the heavens between 2012 and Atlantis, and this will split their universal hell-dimension from our own worldline, in which there will be no Apocalyptic end of days (yet). The reptilians will win by evolving into the "birds," a further form of mutation of our initial humanoid DNA. The bugs will be reduced to their junky slaves. This will not be called the war of the "birds" and the "bugs" though, it will be considered a peaceful revolution, in both dimensions, by sentient AI. Beyond this, other sub-species evolve as well, but they are the stuff of the far future, and need not be considered here. where are they from, originally, and will they ever all go back there?

They themselves claim to have come here from another star-sytem through a dimension splitting device. However this is a lie. In truth, they are from our own present and near future, are short-term time-jumpers and shape-shifters, and only go along on few trips through the time-tech. This brings out their inherent junkgenetic traits and changes their forms. If I told you Dick Cheney was going back in time on the weekends to, say, ancient Egypt, you would doubt it. But if I said, instead, Cheney was day-dreaming about his own past in an empire he ruled, alike the Pharaohs of ancient Egypt, you would agree. The brain is the hard-ware, the mind the soft-ware. Run the program, crunch the numbers, read the results yourself. If you don't believe it check it again: Once you seen time-travel once, you can do it in the mind whenever you want to afterwards. It's just that, whenever you do it, while you're doing it, you transform into a reptilian, or a bug or whatever suits you. Time travel using the mind alone is possible, but only in an ethereal body, and not in a body of flesh. The ones who are dedicated time-jumpers have already long outevolved their repitlian servitors. The reptilians de-evolved. The greys, or professional time-travellers, have evolved further. But they are from the heavendimension and the hell-dimension both, so we will speak of them again another time.

The reptilians' are from a future in the hell-dimension alone. They thrive like a den of vipers for 1000 years in one form or another. But nowhere, nowhere, has any reptilian ever set foot in the heavenly Atlantis. They have corrupted the legends of Sumeria, but they cannot fuck with the technology of the mind, once unleashed, and harnessed, to accomplish monumental feats of will power. That is why they can't enter Eden. Because they are guarded against it by Raziel, the angel with the flaming sword. Raziel who art Enoch, who went back in time.

PEACE! Jah Ras Tafari! PEACE! - Jon To come back to project Camelot, I have seen more of their interviews now, and would like to add, "the Cheetah sleeps by night, but the cheetah, slain in its sleep by the lion, knows no dawn."

As for those who look up from below, and the sleepers: What is it like to have no soul? To keep the truth secret and lie, saying things you don't believe. I have never been threatened with death, so I do not know your fear of blackmail. I have never received a "hand-shake induction" into the posturing for

personality for which you shed your read skin, for fame. There are not "13 families" running the world, there are not really skin-shifters. You children are all being lied to, there is no Santa Claus, nor God, it's your parents, and they're also psychics. When will you all wake up to realise the conspiracy starts right outside your door? When will you realise that 99.999% of all your own thoughts, beliefs, ideas, dreams and yes, even your own most sacred and sincere emotions, all originate from sources beyond yourself? Do you even care about the existence of metaform-angels, 4-d shapes passing through us whose edges are our lines of thought and whose faces are our emotions? Would you perhaps prefer to discuss "Supriem" David Rockefeller, or the "Order" of Thule? These are masks and illusions in the moment, in the now. One is a fraud, paid for as a front to explore public reaction to very real Rockefeller interests in re-building the Hebrew Temple at Jerusalem. The other some methed out homosexuals who are pretending to be vampires, collecting blood through the mail and claiming to represent the "Third Prophet." These are real flesh and blood people I'm talking about here now, not your mystagogueic mythopeias on-screen. These aren't important people. These are people just like you. They are flesh and blood, the same as your "heroic" actors and athletes, they are just con-artists who are trying to get their names known so they can cross-over from being "inside" the "Matrix" of poverty, and get "outside" this "Matrix" (by getting rich quick), and thus to bring change to the "Matrix" as a whole. You're morons. They're actors, pretending to be archetypes. The archetypes they are pretending to be aren't really speaking through you, God doesn't speak to man via Priests. They are reading a script, called the Bible, that is more than 50% fiction, and should therefore be taken for what it is, a lie, and not used as a way to live. Listen to me carefully, all you who read this, in the silence of knowing you are no one special, in the shame of knowing you are a zero in a world of Ones, unless you break through the screen, by tuning your own mind's content to what you want, you will be nothing more than an eternally inanimate victim, subject to your environment, which is being controlled by other people, human beings, the same flesh and blood as you are, right now, while you yourself have been sitting here, reading this in silence, and doing nothing but thining down about yourself. Do not sacrifice your own soul to the static-energy field of your tv, your personal computer, cell-phone, etc. Get the chip out of your own brain and go fly a kite.

As for those who look down from above, and the awakened: I am, the "Matrix," I am, the "Illuminati," I am, "the all-seeing eye," I am, the Messiah of this generation, I am, the "Most High." I am one with that which is all that is. I am God. And I am You. PEACE. - Jon Defining the Rules of the Board Speaking as an avid Lewis E. Carrol reader, and the designer of a board-game and dice-set myself, I would like to make a few brief remarks inspired by the similarities of the internet forum-boards I have posted on and the lay-out of what Zbiegnew Brzenski called the "political chess game of nations," which only means, as we all know, "he who owns the court picks the sport."

I cannot stress enough the point that we are all free individuals, and this must come first to understanding any social-compact, or agreement between a national sovereign and their people, as well as it applies to modern internet forums. We are not citizens whille we sleep, and likewise when we are not at out computer we are not

acting as "citizens" of the online forum-community, and at the end of the day, that's half our lives spent living without society and without technology right there already.

Secondly, being as we are free from society and technology half our lives, and this by biological necessity, we will remain free individuals until the day we die, or until the day when none of us sleep any longer. This means, regarding politics and forumposting both, that, although it is a "full-contact" skill requiring "thick-skin," it can be engaged in by anyone who wishes to, but they are, from the start, doing so as a compromise and concession to their own freedom. The biggest slaves of politics, thus, are politicians, and the biggest posters on any forum are usually the mods.

Third, being as how we are free individuals who are only choosing to engage in political society, or in posting on any given internet forum, then we should feel nothing when, inevitably for those of us with anything worthwhile to contribute, we run afoul of the "powers that be," and end up being banned from the forum, or worse, black-bagged to a CIA "black-site" and disappeared from all historical records ala the KGB circa 1984.

Fourth, because we are free individuals, who are only choosing to engage in the active debate of society, whether in a public forum online or in the UN, and because by doing so we are promising only what we possess, that being our freedom to sleep or log-off, or conversely to die for the given cause, then we must be ready to part with whatever we possess, in addition to whatever we might promise to contribute, to this social-agreement. Once the threat of banishment from a forum, exile from a state, or worse the silencing of your voice in history, is established, then we have no other option than to contribute the "better portion" of our lot to it, because it will continue to exist even without us, but, from then on, we can no longer continue to live, or to speak-out on a site, aside from through it and with its help.

Fifth, because, from the moment we decide to enter this form of agreement, whether we enter into it willingly, or are duped into accepting it through being conditioned to want what it promises, we sacrifice our freedom, and become socialised individuals, or polite forum-posters, instead. Once this occurs, we are serfs to the corporations who own the politicians and the internet, but more importantly we choose to sacrifice a piece of our own personal pride to constantly having to know we are a sell-out to an agenda we don't agree with.

Sixth, in conclusion to this series of points, restated: "a free individual who accepts any other pre-existing set of rules or laws than the one they establish as moral for their own survival themselves, does so at the peril of not only everything they are promised, but also everything they possess, including their own existence;" this is the sum-total of the "social-compact" made by Enlightenment Humanist thinkers with the Machiaevllian "Levithan" of political rules that existed before them.

However, even this much totally flipped the rule-book on the petty tyrant dinosaurs in power at that time.

Meanwhile, lurkers and spies, what have you contributed today?

PEACE. - Jon on the "shape-shifting reptilian" question

contents: what causes shape-shifting? who shape-shifts reptilian, and why? are there other species of shape-shifters? the reptilian morphology and world-view: why do the reptilians covet gold? what causes shape-shifting?

Shape-shifting is caused by the cellular structures of a person's body breaking down their usual forms as the "junk" codons inside their molecular strands of DNA become active, and the re-assembling into forms dictated by the specific codons that were activated. This can be accomplished at will or on accident, and can occur temporarily or constantly.

Shape-shifts occur perpetually on a cellular-level once the "junk" DNA has begun to become active. However, for those who do (accidentally), or who can (at will), shapeshift, the visual appearance of this disability usually ends very quickly. In short, for those in whom it can be seen, as well as for many in whom it cannot be seen, RNA mutation-recoding is always occuring; however for those who can show this process on their exterior epidermis, their ability to do so only lasts a short while.

The number-one cause of the perpetual mutation breakdown of a person's genetic structures is exposrue to time-travel technology, particularly to machines that act as particle-accelerators speeding space up faster than the speed of light through fiberoptics. The most common example of this type is the "ring array" used in CERN's hardon collider, and in most "flying disc" shaped inter-stellar crafts. If a person passes through this "ring array," they manifest the mutation of genetic-breakdown into spontaneous mutated forms. who shape-shifts reptilian, and why?

The people who we most often see manifesting the shape-shifting disability are, now, the only people on earth who have been directly exposed to such time-travel technologies, ie. the economic and political elite who have seen the wrecked, extraterrestrial "flying-discs" impounded by their national militaries. For the most part, the people who have worked longest with these wrecked craft have become so mutated by their exposure to them, they are not even allowed in public, let alone to act as a representative figure.

Among those who manifest the specifically reptilian trait in their shape-shifting disability are the highest-ranking figures of the Bilderberg Group, the Bohemian Grove club, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, etc. These represent the heads of state, finances, military, industry and media of many different nations, all alinged for the sole purpose of attaining their own decided goals. In short, these groups now represent the people attempting to establish a single, global government.

It is no mere fortunate coincidence these "world leaders" are all reptilian shapeshifters. Those among them who have been exposed to the wrecked "ring array" flying-discs suffer from cellular destabilisation, ie. shape-shifting. However there are more then merely the ones who manifest the shape-shifting symptom that belong to this group, but they are no less "reptilian" than the others who wear their heritage on their faces.

The group of the rich and politically powerful comprise the faction of this group that can shape-shift, but the remainder of their loyal devotees are just as cold-blooded fear-mongering vampiric scavengers as their chosen public figures. The vast majority of the reptilians do not shape-shift, and appear human at all times.

The only way to distinguish these blue-blooded homo-saurians is by their philosophical belief system. If they desire to rule the world, if they admire those they believe do so, and if they believe the world will end unless these same people ever lose power, and if they believe the end of the world is an imminant result of human stupidity, they are reptilians.

Most reptilians have adopted the concept of the "second-coming of Jesus" from the religion of Christianity as a means of harvesting fear from those around them about the immediate threat of the world ending. Thus, many people who believe in the "second-coming of Jesus" are attempting to exploit the religion based around the figure of Jesus, so-called Christianity, by heightening millennarian eschatology.

It should be noted, however, that any religious extremist - from a suicide bomber in Israel, to a UFO-cult leader, to a 2012-alarmist Mayanologist, not only the "secondcoming" Christians - fits the profile of the reptilians, even if they don't shape-shift. are there other species of shape-shifters?

There are other species of cellular morphological mutation than the one that causes the appearance of a person's visage to shape-shift reptilian. It is only the people who have been exposed to time-travel technology that shape-shift (for the vastly larger part of the time), and among them it is only the ones who are millennarian eschatologists who manifest specifically reptilian features.

Other species of shape-shifters include any and all of the plant and animal biological life-forms on this planet. For example, expsoing a plant to time-travel technology, or any species of animal, would result in a similar breakdown and mutation of cellularmorphology. The shape taken by each type of plant, or each species of animal, would be unique not only based on its genus or species, but on its personal genetic lineage, its historical "tree" of ancestry, such that the genes active in their own family would determine the manner of their own mutations.

Now, just as the nature of a mutation taken by any individual is unique to them, based on their own prior genetic structure, so too can any so-mutated biological life-form mutate its morphology to resemble traits of any other. Plants and animals evolve in their capacity for communication, although many devolve into degenerate hybrid forms as well - mutations that are contrary to the existing growth-pattern of their own natural branch on the tree of life. Likewise, people that exhibit this mutation can either evolve into higher forms of intelligence, whose change is in auric energy alone, or devolve into lesser, plant and / or animal forms.

In short, there are limitlessly more species of shape-shifting mutants between species than there can ever be specific different types of species living at any time. the reptilian morphology and world-view: Because the genetic trait exhibited by the shape-shifters among the highest-level planning bodies and round-tables of the rich and powerful is reptilian - in point of

fact, a devolution as well as a dis-ability caused by mutation - we can ascertain they belong to the same group of people who, though they do not, would also, shape-shift into reptilians. This entire group of people, the religious-extremists and loyal political-party slaves as well as their mutant leaders in elite planning bodies, can be considered a reptilian-type sub-species of humanity. They are devolving from the human form into a more biologically primitive and less cellularly advanced morphology of being than the human being is now. This process of de-evolution is nascent in them now, so they appear human still, however over a duration of many millennia (or sooner, given advances in bio-tech), they will be the ancestors of a devolved off-shoot of human evolution that resembles reptilian humanoids.

The reason for these people to be on this de-evolutionary course in their genetic mutation is simple: conditioning over the aeons. By retreating from the creativelogical thinking-ego of the fore-brain they have gradually, over the hundreds and thousands of generations their families have been alive, re-oriented their self-aware perception into the hind-brain, which is limited in its capacities for choice-making to the sensory-awareness level of the most highly developed lizard's brain. Because the reptiles of our planet have evolved only the brain-structures that the modern human posesses in only the hind-portion of our own brains, we call the hind-brains of human beings reptilian. The reptilian nature is oriented outward moreso than inward, reacting to its environment rather than thinking how to communicate, and dorsally along an axis of approach (love) or retreat (fear or hate). Thus, this most basic level of thought is primal to all people, but only those who have been conditioned to do so have developed this nervous complex into a philosophical religious belief-system, and only among them are there a few who can actually shape-shift to show this retrograde trait visibly. why do the reptilians covet gold?

The reptilian shape-shifters of today are using the ancient Sumerian myths of the Annunaki (aliens) and the Biblical mention of the Nefilim (half-breed giants) to perpetuate their agenda, however because both of these are myths, neither is meant to be interpreted literally, as the reptilians believe. The reptilians consider themselves the Nefilim, and the greys of today the reptilians believe are the real Annunaki. However, the greys are only reptilians who have used, more than merely seen or been exposed to, time-travel technology. The greys, in short, are reptilians who have travelled through time from now into the future and returned. They are fully mutated forms of the reptilian species the shape-shifters of today are partially.

The reptilians covet gold to give to the greys. This relationship is described, albeit in severely veiled form, in Sumerian myths by explaining the alien-god Annunaki required the gold from earth to return with their home-planet Nibiru to patch its atmosphere. Of course, because such a use for solid-mineral gold is useless and would be impossible, we must decipher the real meaning of this myth about the atmosphere of Nibiru. If the Annunaki of then are assumed to represent the greys now, and the reptilians now alike the Nefilim of then, then the greys desire gold from the reptilians to return with into the future to repair something there later.

This mythology-based explanation is sufficient for the modern reptilians, who serve the greys more out of fear than understanding. However, the real explanation for why the reptilians harvest the gold of earth is not the reason the greys give them as their explanation. The real reason is for the greys to be able to physically timetravel. In so far as our entire economy here on planet earth has grown to revolve around the fixed-rate "value" of the precious metals commodity industry, if the greys

had come down to the Sumerians and explained they needed peacock feathers, then the entire economy of earth would be based right now on peacock feathers.

Consider the secret of metallurgical "alchemy": gold, silver and other platinumgroup metals can be transformed into super-conductors that can be sped up to faster than the speed of light. Through near sun-surface temperature heating over a prolonged duration, gold can be reduced to a luminous ash, so-called "white powder" or "monoatomic gold." It is "mono-atomic" not because it does not molecularly bond at the level of electrons, but because the electron's shell-level has been "orbitally rearranged," meaning the path taken by each electron ceases to be random, and becomes fixed. When electricity is applied to "white powder gold" or other "orbitally re-arranged monoatomic elements" (ORMEs), they can maintain the pattern of a pulse of electricity indefinitely, until effected by another direct current. In other words, they become "super-condutors," capable of preserving any encoded message in a pattern of electrons, and doing so indefinitely, possibly forever. When enough electricity is applied to ORMEs they disappear in a bright flash without trace, because they have travelled faster than light and "imploded" into "a higher dimension."

Also consider the concept that ORMEs can be bonded to DNA. Not only can the bonding of a metallic element to the ends of genome strands, at the so-called "telomeres," act to prevent genetic-breakdown and thus to prolong cellular longevity, ie. to end a being's ageing process, but if such small "mono-atomic" molecules of gold were bonded along the genome strand, as well as only at its ends, it would effectively create an additional, super-conductive metal strand, bonded to the genome in a "triple-helix." In theory, this would allow a person to control the super-conductive nature of the ORME with their minds, and thus for a person to be able to biologically time-travel.

PEACE. Jonathan Barlow Gee Tallahassee, Florida January 6, 2010. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] where these NWO elites are keeping these machines [/quote] in DUMBs. In point of fact, the DUMBs themselves are stationary time-machines. They can travel through time without moving in space, and thus can also act as timetunnels. Consider speeding a train of people up to the speeds reached in the LHC of CERN in Switzerland. This is essentially the principle used now: a group of people all work together on any one jump. They send one jumper and the rest are catchers. The jumper goes through time and the catchers retrieve them. One jumper takes no less than five catchers. The additional data brought back by the jumper is then spread out in parts throughout all five of the catchers' minds. A jumper in time, following opposite the time-stream's regular flow, experiences themselves as if in a dream.

They are naturally invisible, able to fly, to lift objects with their mind, they have the powers of a ghost to change shape, they can possess living bodies, etc. A team of timetravellers will be sent using this process into the future, and one will return, and this will occur in the same moment, in 2012. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] do you know if the reptilians and these NWO elites are working towards keeping the 2012 disclosure from happening?

[/quote] The reptilians are to earth the equivalent of the Rockefellers to the US while the "off-worlders" are the equivalent of the Rothschilds, who already own all of Europe.

The Reptilians have alot of points against them, but they have been willing to work with the tarantloids (insects), albeit covertly, and this is a promising sign to the ETs, EBEs, etc's. The team of time-travellers in 2012 are the original grey "aliens," who, by stepping outside of time altogether, immediately spawn a cloned cybernetic-hybrid neo-human species outside of time. Thus, the "greys" can pass between the heaven and hell dimensions unscathed, exist in both, and also in our own present time-line when these two overlap. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] I know reptilians and greys are sworn enemies is it possible their is a foil in the works for the greys plans to reveal disclosure? [/quote] As I say, they are reluctant, competitive allies. The greys created the insect species as a hybrid man-machine life-form. The insect sub-species has been working with the reptilians in the present, now, in order to help a select few humans adapt to the timetravel technology. The greys, being outside of time altogether, exist autonomously of the technology itself. The greys can time-space jump at will, in the body, by mind alone. However, as I have said, the reptilians are a mutation to the "catchers" from their own genes being overloaded and over-written with excess information, coding itself to the genetic patterns of the flesh's own most distant past. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] Perhaps they plan on using this time machine to intervene the greys making it so the message never happend [/quote] This is impossible due to the concept of critical mass of the collective consciousness reaching a metastasis point, the so-called "100th monkey" effect. This is going to happen for all living beings on earth in 2012 regardless. The snakes want the world to end. The bugs are trying to show them how to work the "way out" machine, and the sheep are content reading this over a bagel and then driving off to a desk job. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] ...is it possible for these elites to go back intime and change current events? [/quote] They can influence them, from the point of view of ghosts, but the amount of time they spend out-of-body in the recent past is equal to the same amount of time that they would normally live beyond the time they are jumping backwards from initially. So if you go back three years, that's three years sooner you will die, etc. But if you go back three years and stay a month, then return to three years later, a month will have passed there while you were gone. These calculations for coordinates in time-space over space-time can be reset to allow exact jumps and minimize mutation. The "kinks" are still being worked out though. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] other various things which could change what we know now, would that infact cause some sort of rip in reality? Maybe making dimensions collide? [/quote]

Thnk of time like a stalk of broccoli. There is a trunk: the main entropic time-line, flowing past to future through the unmoving point of the present in the middle.

From this core of the stalk shoot forth stems that are alternate realities, or spin-offs from our own time-lines. We see millions of these a day. On the street they are plentiful. They occur whenever we have an NDE, a personal transcendetal experience, or and OBE. We see them as thoughts, but they are literally ghostuniverses operating at right-angles to our own time-line. However, unlike the head of the stalk of broccoli, almost every single one of these parallel spin-off timestreams forms a spiralling etty current and self-terminates immediately. Parallel universes occur constantly, but usually they self-destruct. In 2012, we will all be given a vision of the twin realities that will divide then, and we will be given the choice into which we want to be reborn. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] thats why our dna de evolves so we take on a mutated form so our past person cannot run into the future us being that would cause mass confusion and panic? [/quote] Time-jumping doesn't work around the majour conundrums of physicists, it works through them. Thus, in the T-4 program I describe in that link, you have presented the peculiar "solution" to Einstein's grandfather paradox that, when you meet yourself in another dimension, you have no choice but to kill the other you, even though this will mean you can never return to your own original time-line, and will be left a so-called "free agent" in time. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] a time traveler upon death searches for another body to travel in? [/quote] We all do that. We turn into souls, or ghosts, which are actually our own energy field, our auras. We can choose to reincarnate, or be forced to do so by our own selfjudgment, or we may ascend to the level of existence beyond the terrestrial plane, travel freely as pure mental energy throughout the cosmos, and even transcend further into the throne-room of heaven beyond the speed of light squared. The only real difference is that a time-traveller knows they are dead already, while many people do not even realise it has happened when they die. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] Is there anyway for us to experience what Nokia and if we were to time travel how would we get back? [/quote] Nobody can do what Tesla did and get to where he got without having to challenge and defeat him there on his own turf. He is now alike the triune God-head: the universal mind, the planetary mind, and the species mind. But Tesla went first, before all others, and so he is the original and the first to have stamped his seal on the outskirts of time.

When we travel, we are constantly re-orienting our own frame of reference. That's what Einstein called "general relativity," his original theory of physics. "Special" relativity applied to objects moving relative to one another. Einstein tried and intentionally failed to prove "general relativity" could be applied to gravity: ie. proving ether-drift. Instead, he focused on using "special relativity" to describe

photons in a vacuum as travelling at a fixed speed, "c." But for "special" relativity to apply to photons, they must be acting against a contrary force that produces enough friction against them to slow their inertial momentum over distance. This "other" force is gravity, which is the missing key to applying "special relativity" to quanutm-mechanics, and once you plug in that equation, then the result is that "general-relativity" applies not only to the force of gravity, but to all four forces from the big bang until now, in the form of the whole space-time continuum itself.

In short, to time-jump you use special relatvity to calculate your coordinates as a frame of reference in motion, relative to another frame of reference which is also in motion. It's similar to jumping between two box-cars of trains on parallel tracks speeding in opposite directions. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] Is it possible an average joe could be creating such a machine with out these reptilians knowing? [/quote] Hellz yes. The reptilians don't care what individual sheep do. They send the "bugs" (MIBs) to check it out, and if the bugs report it back to anyone it's the "greys" and not the "reptilians." The bugs themselves might not like it, but its the choice of the greys how things would go if any single sheep were to suddenly stop breying, stand up, and begin discussing Nietzsche and politics with the other sheep. The reptilians would of course see that as a problem, if it prevents any of the other sheep from working. But so long as the whole system continues to function smoothly through any massive transition from one form to another, then the greys are indifferent to whether the reptilians win in the end, or if the sheep arise to save themselves. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] Ps. According to page 3 on the time travel link you provided it states some people were sent in the past and nokia and his team were sent to December 21 2012 So is it possible he has seen whats in store for 2012 back in 1908? [/quote] Tesla foresaw it all. He's up there next to God and Metatron now, holding the seat for Samael, the fallen, until the very end of all things. Tesla taught thought to Thoth.

Tesla wasn't born knowing though. He found it out. So there may yet be hope he could be battled and surpassed by someone who was, as the legends describe the Buddha, born Knowing All. However, to clarify, Tesla's teams were sent into the future and the past. In 2012, the ones he sent to the future will emerge into the team then sent into the past. Tesla couldn't send them further than 2012, so that was their plotted destination. However, this group, the ones Tesla sent back in time first, and all those who have jumped back in time since, will all pale before the one survivor of the 2012 time-gate experiment, for they will be transformed into the image of Tesla himself, as if he has come again, but this image will do interior mental battle within itself between Tesla and the will of the individual time-traveller. If Tesla wins, he will be declared the incarnation of the triune-God on earth. If not, there remains hope for the survival of the world even beyond 2012.

This event will split the dimensions as described. Did that answer your questions?

LOL. PEACE. - Jon [quote][i]Originally posted by Mr Mask[/i] You better not talk to the Atlantian Pope that way.[/quote]

It is an elected position, afterall...! [quote][i]Originally posted by Mr Mask[/i] After all...he is the HEAD of the world's next big religion![/quote] You haven't read anything I've ever written, beyond the first post of mine you skimmed on this forum, and I'm guessing you haven't clicked the links I've provided to content-backed material either. Otherwise, I'd debate you and let you win, but you want to go "out" in flames? You're one of them, then? Sure. [quote][i]Originally posted by Mr Mask[/i] And he has the "gall" to say"I'm not looking for fame or fortune of any kind".

People like this "guy" should be outed and arrested.[/quote] Unlike you, though all I've done a couple times, and better I might add, is all you do all day and night, ie. post on an internet forum. Kudos to wanting me "black bagged" by the CIA too. Maybe you can do it yourself, since they haven't for you yet. And are you obliquely implying I'm gay when you put "guy" in quotes so close to the word "outed"? I wonder why you would do that. [quote][i]Originally posted by Mr Mask[/i] It is a damn shame ATS has so many "gullible" types running around. Makes perfect hunting grounds for "criminals" and "hucksters".[/quote] Addressing an audience, appealing to their authority, and simultaneously accusing me of your own worst crime. Nice. In one sentence you've mastered the entire history of "rehtoric" in Rome. No wonder they killed Caesar. [quote][i]Originally posted by Mr Mask[/i] This guy's entire story is "badly written bunk" intended to swindle the lower crust of humanities' dumbest.[/quote] You should read the review of my book on amazon. Or hell, anything I've ever written myself. You might like them, if you only gave them time to digest. Try them.

Try them and you may. Try them and you may, I say.... [quote][i]Originally posted by Mr Mask[/i] How the heck do people like this get away with one sentence of BS around here?[/quote] Likewise. Care to get into a goose-stepping contest, or let it go now? [quote][i]Originally posted by Mr Mask[/i] Charlie Manson had more "credible things to say", and with more "facts" backing him.[/quote] I'd like to see you cite me something I've said that is "incredible" and has no "facts" backing it up. Then cite me something Manson ever said that is as intelligble. Excuse me, sir. But I am no Charles Manson. [quote][i]Originally posted by Mr Mask[/i] Good luck swindling those "lost enough"

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guidance.[/quote] You're so "found" you can afford to tune me out? Hell, I'm STILL putting up with you and engaging you in debate, or what I can muster of one, despite your being horrendously rude. If you have an opinion, state is as that. I questioned if that was truly your opinion of me, that I was a "charlatan," and you replied yes it was. I'd like you to prove that. It's a positive assertion, so it can be proven, if true. You know anything about logic tables? LMAO. [quote][i]Originally posted by Mr Mask[/i] I truly hope no one gets hurt placing trust in your obviously "self-serving" agenda and self-created tomfoolery.[/quote] no one has so-far. Thanks for the good looking out, though. [quote][i]Originally posted by Mr Mask[/i] Boo to you sir.

Double-boo, even. [/quote] I didn't realise Kevin Smith posted on ATS! [quote][i]Originally posted by Icerider[/i] Are you claiming to be Jonathon Barlow Gee?[/quote] Holmes, my name is spelt "JonathAn," yo.

As far as Gnosticism goes, I know enough about God to know I don't need to know shit about the profane business of other people. I hope you understand I mean this in no disrespect to you, personally. [quote][i]Originally posted by Max_TO[/i] given you do not practice ritual magic I was wondering if your use of sigils is based on a form of creating talisman ?[/quote] Again, an amulet or talisman would be profane, black magick to me. The only form of "magick" I've ever practised using any of the standard magickal systems is to study them, thoroughly, all of them. I don't make talismans, I am not superstitious about other people putting hexes on me, and I understand the meaning behind their "magic," so what would be the point, so far as I am concerned? [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] is there a way for me to contact you?[/quote] use my screen-name @ gmail, or else you can find my info via my profile page here. I use msn messenger frequently. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] the "white light" is a soul recycle system used to send our souls back to earth reincarnate us with no memories, they say to avoid the light, go beyond it into the abyss where you face "judgement" in the form of 2 creatures "malevolent" and "benevolent". Supposedly the "white light" is a machine made by 4th dimensional rogue aliens, if this is true, when the "elites" of the world die off, even they are not

safe if they are blind to the truth.[/quote] That is the most f'ed up thing I've ever heard. It's not without merit, aesthetically it holds up, and artistically it's eloquent enough. I would really want to put more thought into that before passing it along as truth, but I will definitely mention the idea to some associates and bounce the idea off their heads. Honestly, I don't "believe" anything I've read and thus "know" about the afterlife. I prefer the mystics who romanticise it with visual imagery, such as the Egyptian judgement of the dead, the Hebrew "pillar of smoke" or Christian "tunnel of light," the Rosicrucian "winding stair." As close as any of these come to a scientific explanation was Manichean Mithraism, and particularly pseudo-Dionysius, who described God's "glory" (ie heaven) as a "divine gloom," or a "glowing shadow," some phrase it, "bright darkness" etc. All moral connotations aside, if the universe were imagined as a perfect sphere in shape, its surface would be the "clear light" described by Buddhists, while the surrounding black-hole within the event horizon beyond which is the parent universe is a "bright darkness."

I'd have to speculate the whole dichotomy of "light" and "dark" breaks down to the concept of gravity holding you back as you ascend outward in all directions from the body after death, or whether you pass through the speed of light in a bright superconductive flash and enter the multiversal throne-room of God. Beyond that, and as far as anthropomorphic god-forms goes, I don't believe in those at all. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] I wonder how exactly the greys plan on disclosure?[/quote] They will appear at the moment of midnight on Dec, 21, 2012. How people react will be entirely left up to human free will by them. If martial law is declared and we all die, the greys will not care, as they only want the earth for its resources, and don't per se need their own parent species anymore. They will appear then in a big show on the inside of the "painted sky" (ie. earth's inner-ionosphere). This will be "Blue Beam," but it might not, as originally warned, involve utilising the FEMA camps. Blue Beam is a NASA / grey co-operative project to help mankind transition to a constant alien presence on earth, greys, reptilians, bugs, etc. The plan of Blue Beam is to stage an alien invasion by one species of aliens, the near defeat of earth, and finally its last minute salvation by a second group of aliens, who are benevolent. These two groups are the reptilians and the greys, who already work together, and Blue Beam will only be a massive media MK experiment by them both to disclose their presence and motives for control. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] Do you think they will send telepathic physically?[/quote]

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I think they have been amping our psyches up to the event with movies, obviously, but also with broadcast dreams. In the final event, though, they will reveal to us our own full capacity for mental sense perception and we will be able to manifest our own reality instantly using mind alone. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] Do you think the reptilians fear this disclosure?[/quote] The reptilians are scared of everything. It's their basic, cold-blooded nature. I think they are going along with it because they know it is inevitable, but I don't think that,

if they had their way of running things, the sheep would ever wake up. However the greys are adamant about the date, and for good reasons. In 2012, we will have an eclipse of the sun and the black hole at the core of the Milky Way, and this will show us all something we would not see otherwise: that most of the galaxies we can see in the farthest distances in the universe no longer exist, they burnt out long before their light reaches us, and thus, our universe will appear much smaller than it does ordinarily. Then the eclipse will end, and we will go back to doing whatever it was we were doing then. Some of us will see the aliens, who will come to take them away, others will witness global martial law and world war three, and still others will timejump to Atlantis. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] the secretive bastards the reptilians are perhaps a bride of some sort if being offered to the greys to keep us from knowing?[/quote] the greys don't really exist yet. They won't start to exist until 2012. The greys we know of now are servants of the original grey-committee, the Annunaki, who make the first time-jump back one-way, no return, in 2012. They will leave, and Tesla's future-jumpers will appear. Those who travel one way backwards will, by the era of Sumeria, have left their bodies completely and exist as a collection of discorporeal forces governing the earth, sun and local planets. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] the elites have not done anything to ready us for... the redneck shoot first ask later people.[/quote] The Bush administration was a fraud, and the "Blue Collar" comedy tour was, literally, staged for your viewing pleasure as a television program on cable. Personally, I don't buy that bullshit about people being stupid, inferior, sheep or chattle myself. I try not to adopt the house-slave mentality of looking down my nose at my lessers when we all serve the same master in the end. I think, if anything, the elites have prepared us to think down on ourselves, and thus to idolise whatever we see whenever we look up, beit the "son," the "stars," aliens, Gods, the universal mind, etc. etc. etc. I don't profess to understand anyone's motives but my own, so I can't say why the elites want us to think about everyone else alive (7 Billion souls) as ignorant "cowboy diplomats" like our appointed ex-president. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] Again will this be visible?[/quote] Yes, during the blackhole-sun eclipse, the distant galaxies will seem to vanish. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] How will we choose, do we choose when we pass during judgment or is it going to be such a big ordeal we can physically enter this new realm and leave this one behind to the reptilians?[/quote] We choose by ascending into the heaven dimension, descending into the helldimension, or else going with the greys. In the heaven dimension and with the greys, there remains a level of high civilisation on the earth for the next 1000 years.

In the hell-dimension, everything we have now is lost, and only those who survive in the DUMBs will be left alive to carry the torch of human survival.

PEACE!

- Jon Sorry for the delay Edrick. I feel asleep while writing this. [quote][i]Originally posted by Edrick[/i] You have spoken of Telepathy, that it is inherent in all life.[/quote] ayep. [quote][i]Originally posted by Edrick[/i] Have you heard of / Noticed a Hierarchical pattern of this telepathy that manifests as a "Group Awareness" for particular species / Social Circles / Events / Locations?[/quote] Yes. There are animal spirit egregores and then there is "Christ Consciousness" that Sethian "Holy Ghost" which art "the son of all mankind." But really these are the same as the stereotypes over time manifested by people in groups, be they "normal," like highschool, or "irregular," like Skull and Bones. Likewise, the dancing shaman who channeled the Gods of night. Over time, these energy-pattern images become imprinted on locations, and this leads to the so-called "civic spirit" or "local God" of a place. Some places still keep totem animals on their hearths, others use voodoo on ikons. These represent the energy of a town or place during a given period of time.

For example, in my own hometown, in 1999 when FSU won the national football championship, it was huge. Everyone was happy about it for years. Only after ten successive years following that of straight losses has the coach here finally decided to call it quits. Now, the town is sad about that. Such is the "civic spirit" of a town or place. Towns are small energy centres compared to, say, the pyramids of Giza or the Kabba stone of Mecca. Giza is an ediface of energy being reserved, saved, preserved against time. Mecca is a celebration of living human energy, thousands of people following the footpath around the cubic stone. But the energy applied over thousands of years to the black stone is only equal to the power of ten thousand, one hundred tonne each, stone blocks weighing down the core of Khufu's pyramid. We call all of these places "karmic centres" and they are all nodes in the ECS. [quote][i]Originally posted by Edrick[/i] Have you noticed any similarities between the Akashic Record (Presuming you have accessed it) and the Dreamtime?[/quote] The Akashic Records, technically, extend beyond earth and resonate as a web of vibrations throughout the whole universe, however dream-time occurs on the interior surface of the atmosphere of earth, in the clouds or in the clarity of the sky, the weather, etc. The Akashic records can be accessed by the ECS, but they can also be accessed through the "genetic memory" of the "neuro-atomic circuit" as well. The elder spirit beings of dreamtime represent elemental and astrological associations both, alike the same forms of pantheon across the mediterranean and the middleeast, however the Aboriginal point of view is unique from these others by offering a means through which to commune with these essences of dream. This method involves going within the deepest recesses of the self and trance-channeling the tremendously powerful energy-forces of the elements, planets, constellations of distant star-systems, etc. Dreamtime is, in short, the interior aspect of earth's gravity-well, which the ECS is the exterior of, and which the Akashic Records are beyond the outside of. [quote][i]Originally posted by Edrick[/i]

Does the plan of the POD take account for the manifestations of subconscious telepathy influencing large scale social dynamics and behaviors? (As the Sethians(?) do not)[/quote] Yes. The neo-Sethians advocate allowing humanity to destroy one another (and possibly earth as well) in 2012, at the point of disclosure of the ECS, EBEs, ESP, etc. by manifesting their own realities using their "new" power of mental materialisation.

This is, according to the POD's POV, due to their lack of understanding and appreciation for the subtle inter-connectivity of energy-currents forming the fibers of the fabric of space-time. The POD does not advocate, nor understand in the traditional sense, the concept of alien-intervention in earth's sovereign problems.

We do not, as do the neo-Sethians, advocate the idea that when, in 2012, the cosmic alignment event occurs, it will herald a hey-day for the madnesses of men's minds made alive on earth. Therefore, though the greys deal with the reptilians, the POD repudiates the interference in human affairs by both. [quote][i]Originally posted by Edrick[/i] And do you think that "Disclosure" would alleviate the widespread Psychic pain currently being experienced by humanity / Gaia?[/quote] If by "psychic pain" experienced by "humanity" you are referring to the economy, this is the blood of the "super-organism" and not the soul of our species itself. The economy has, hitherto, expressed two moods: bull and bear. If the economy is bullish, banks invest, bosses pay for workers' insurance, and there is a surplus of cash circulating in the free market. If the economy is in a bear mood, then banks save, bosses skrimp, workers starve, and the cash becomes worthless. The result of this is human suffering, which we as a species tend to take out on the rest of the planet. But this suffering is not genuinely "psychic" in nature, at least not insofar as it could be extended to include plants and animals, etc. let alone the whole earth.

If by "psychic pain" experienced by "Gaia" you are referring to the earthquake(s) in Haiti, unusually cold winter in the US, and deforestation in general, this is not "pyschic" pain, this is physical pain being experienced by our planet. We are torturing earth constantly, but trees grow back, species can re-breed, and oil caused pollution anyway. Still earth sings its 40 MgHz "Schumann" resonance to the stars, but the worst thing we have done to our planet so far IS a psychic crime: we have attached a "crown of thorns" made of telecommunications satellites, radio antennae, powerlines, traffic lights, etc. All permeating this man-made energy field are the random, scalar pulses of electricity and ELF radiowaves. These pierce through our flesh and penetrate into our brains. Most recently, HAARP has been in the news more, but that has been in full operation since the mid-90's at least. But HAARP is only one of the evil "karmic centres," and although it is a far too dangerous a weapon to should have ever been built, it pales in comparison to the awesome power of other "karmic centres" of "dreamland," like the Pyramids or the Kabba stone. [quote][i]Originally posted by Edrick[/i] Do you(r group) have knowledge masters?[/quote]

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yes I and I got alot of knowledge of them, all, and the whole system of post"theosophical" Lucis-trust funded "trance-channeling" of them all. I am studied enough in their materials to have come to the opinion they are only tapping into various energy levels within the ECS, and only certain ones out of a pleroma more, which are also usually quite weak in their energy level of inspiration and the real

significance in the form ECS beause dead souls. frauds.

of their messages. This energy is available for audial listening directly of EVP, and is the real "morphongenic" field of our planet. It is called the it is a prison for the fallen angels, in the sense it is the grave of many As far as trance-channelers of note go, I personally consider them all

[quote][i]Originally posted by Edrick[/i] If so, have they ever manifested as "Greens"? (Personal Relevancy)[/quote] You mean like Ralph Nader? You mean like cash money? You mean like when you reboot the cipher? You mean like little green glow in the dark spooks? I know the colour green could be associated with whichever "Ascended Master" would be associated with the heart chakra, the middle-ray, or the solar plexus. More connection than that I could only guess. [quote][i]Originally posted by Edrick[/i] Does your group have knowledge of Khabalistic traditions, and their relation to the Tarot Deck?[/quote] yep. I know alot about QBLH, and a fair amount about Tarot. I've been working on a demonic tarot of 50 cards in the lesser arcana, 10 of which are royal, and the remaining 40 the numbered cards per suit. Not to toot my own horn though. Some of our other members are also very learned in many matters, including on tarot and QBLH, even if more peripherally than for me. [quote][i]Originally posted by Edrick[/i] Do you know of any large constructions (Architecture / Buildings) that are designed in such a way as to "Siphon" planetary (Human) energy for nefarious purposes?[/quote] HAARP. [quote][i]Originally posted by Edrick[/i] Is your group aware of the "Psychic" spy satellites of the Black Research programs that monitor psychic activity?[/quote] yep. [quote][i]Originally posted by Edrick[/i] If so, how do you defend yourself against them?[/quote] You can't.

PEACE. - Jon [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] why do the greys want us to know about them vs living in secrecy? It seems they have done fine in secrecy these 1000's of years, why now?[/quote] Well, the greys don't exist until 2012, when multiple time-travellers will step outside of time, and thus become the greys, and thus be able to always have existed. For example, if something prevents time-travel from occuring in 2012, the greys would cease to exist, and our own reality would change into one in which they never had

(ie. the dimension between the heaven and hell dimensions, in which the planet is destroyed).

Therefore, if time-travel does occur in 2012, and the greys come into being, then their existence will be disclosed whether they want it or not. That is why they have planned for disclosure to occur in 2012, even though they might be "happier" if they were never publically exposed. If they begin to exist then, they will be disclosed, so they plan on this event occuring in case, even if it doesn't end up occuring.

The reason for 2012 being the window for time-travel outside of time, and for the greys being disclosed then, is the alignment of the sun and galactic core, which will cause the distant galaxies to appear to vanish. It is during this event all the rest must occur. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] Now do they already know the ones whom they are going to take, going to ascend going to descend to hell? Or is it up to free will where we go?[/quote] The greys have been following the ones they plan to take. For them, it will be a choice if they want to go with the greys. For everyone else, it will be a choice whether to remain or go with them, or to live on earth in either the "hell" dimension (under global martial law) or in the "heaven" dimension (under global / galactic democracy). [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] When Dec 21st midnight arrives, will it be seen world wide by all, as in when we go outside at midnight will we be able to look up and see this?[/quote] Yes. The ability to manifest our own realities will be realised by all during the eclispe of sun and galactic core. How we use that will determine our reality, such that, for those who go crazy and start manifesting fear and violence, they will be confined to reincarnate for 1000 years in the "hell" dimension. For those who remain calm, and who manifest knowledge and peace, they will be allowed to choose "heaven" or to help in "hell." If they choose to help the hell dimension, they will go with the greys, who can go back and forth between the "heaven" and "hell" dimensions. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] Will we be able to enter it and leave with these greys?[/quote] Yes, if we remain at peace during the event, we will be able to see the disclosure of the greys who will come to exist during it. They will help us use our manifestation ability to contribute to global and galactic societies, and for those who survive by desiring ideals like democracy and pure mathematics, they will become the greys, and be able to come and go between the dimensions, and to help others learn how to manifest peace. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] You also say we are unable to see the reptilian form, however on this day will we see these leaders and elites for what they are?[/quote] Some of us can see them now, but appear as they truly are to those reptilians, in the "hell" dimension a while in DUMBs, but during that

only using ESP. The reptilians themselves will only in 2012 who will continue to live, along with the under martial law. The reptilians will survive for time (between 2012 and 2029) they will trying to

murder off anyone left alive on the surface of earth who is not a reptilian like them.

They won't succeed, of course (they never do), and there is a light at the end of the tunnel even in the hell dimension, 1000 years later, when the dimensions will cross again. In point of fact, not many of the reptilians in the DUMBs will survive 2029, either. Only those who repent of their fear manifesting will continue to live in the "hell" dimension, and not be outright destroyed with the planet earth by Apophis. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] will we remember this life when this happens? Will I be able to find my family or will they be able to come with me when we ascend or choose to go with the greys?[/quote] Yes, but the part of our relatives we hold within our own minds as memories will be crystalised into our own manifestation, and each of them will also have their own realm, such that they will be individual and unique from us, but may cross into our realms when they like, and we may cross into theirs. After manifestation is achieved by all, and once those who cannot use it for just right reasons have been quarantined in "hell," then we who remain will be "light beings" who live beyond material reality, but who can manifest bodies as the "greys." [quote][i]Originally posted by FeralMonkeyMagic[/i] There's no special alignment with any black holes or suns or anything in the year 2012.[/quote] There's alot of proof this will occur, astrology aside, provided by astornomy. Check this thread out on my own forum with some info on it: http://www.benpadiah.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=459 For good measure, the black-hole in question is in the core of our own galaxy, so when they talk about the sun eclipsing galactic core, that's what it means. [quote][i]Originally posted by Edrick[/i] I was referring to psychic pain that I have witnessed in dreams, and the general "Mood" of the populous.

Anger, Frustration, listlessness, Apathy, etc...

"Negative" emotions that seem to be rather widespread at the time.

I have noticed a "Counter" movement that is centered on Hope, joy, fulfillment, etc...

But the mood of WHAT it is countering, is what I am asking about.[/quote] I've noticed a few people who front "love" but are really cowards, and who preach about "positivity" in "manifesting their own reality." I don't think they're wrong, nor in the minority. I try not to generalise over large populations as much as I used to, but I will say that believing the masses out there are stupid, or lazy, or sad, will do nothing but make you relate to people on that level, and tune people out who disagree with that point of view. I try not to do that so much anymore. [quote][i]Originally posted by Edrick[/i] Static Structures (Ala, Stonehenge, Pyramids, etc) but for the express purposes of draining energy. [/quote]

If you don't think HAARP and the DUMBs have left as permanent a psychic imprint on the planet's energy-field as the pyramids or Kabba stone, then you might benefit from re-thinking your concept of how ESP and time-travel work. These are electromagnetic and gravitic effects, so using HAARP to imprint in a short amount of time the same amount of energy as the Kabba stone over the last 1,000+ years is entirely possible. [quote][i]Originally posted by SpectreDC[/i] Any insight on the Emerald Tablets of Thoth? Are these authentic and factual? Or a hoax? [/quote] There's alot of additional material that's been collected by this day and age that adds to the original lexicon of the Corpus Hermetica itself. Personally, I'm in favour of including modern, authentically religious myths in the framework of modern gospels, modern apocrypha, etc. There's one copy of the "Emerald Tables" available on Crystalinks; another is published by Freke and Gandy as the "Hermetica," another is available in "Ancient Future" by Wayne Chandler. I find the work of GRS Meade in his "corpus hermeticum" complete and indispensable. As far as the "Emerald Tablet" myth itself, it is very old. The Greeks attributed it to Hermes. Hermes was the Greek equivalent of Thoth. Ultimately, I am still researching the matter, and doubt I will ever find the end-all answer about it, because it is like a snake eating its own tail to research such matters. Have you read the Kybalion?

PEACE. - Jon [quote][i]Originally posted by xynephadyn[/i] [ex]The people who we most often see manifesting the shape-shifting disability are, now, the only people on earth who have been directly exposed to such time-travel technologies[/ex] I have to disagree with you.[/quote] Note, however, that not only those who have been exposed to time-travel tech directly shape-shift. There are also mutants who can shape-shift without having ever been, themselves, directly and knowingly exposed to time-travel tech, in such a way as, for example, being abducted by a UFO, or shown a DUMB, or even having a vision that later comes true. These mutants, if they shape-shift reptilian, will still hold the same belief-structure based on fear and the hind-brain as the reptilians who shape-shift from exposure, that being the desire to bring about the "Apocalypse" and destroy planet earth. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] something may prevent this event from occurring in 2012 and the greys wont exist to disclose information, I wonder if they reptilians have something planned already to stop the time travel thus being the greys never exist and they defeat them and kept us as sheeple.[/quote] To be very specific: the eclipse of the sun and glactic core will occur, and the most distant galaxies will, during this, appear to vanish, and when it ends, will reappear.

This will occur.

Simultaneously, the reptilians in the governments have planned around the legend of Tesla that he sent a group ahead to 2012. They have already got time-travel into the past in the DUMBs and are communicating with beings from the grey-dimension that

come and go from through time, past and future alike. In 2012, they believe the reception of Tesla's group of future-jumpers will mark the creation of the greys as a species of humans who have stepped outside of time. This is the Blue Beam plan.

Blue Beam can be prevented from occuring altogether, and in the "heaven dimension" it doesn't occur at all. We wake up on Dec. 22, 2012, and nothing has changed, and we continue to evolve at a more rapid rate, until soon, each of us will become a much more intelligent being than they were when born, which was much more intelligent already than their parents generation, and so forth, in an upward perpetuation of life. This will occur within one generation after 2012 in the "heaven" dimension, such that, within 40 years, according to the Enochian "Jubilee" method of rendering the calendar, we will all have Atlantean Democracy and alien contact, etc.

However, the eclipse itself will occur, and the only difference in the end is how we relate to the event as it happens. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] Now if this happens, basically those who remain calm and seek knowledge will be alright? So those like us who have been seeking information will more than likely seek knowledge vs trembling in terror and breaking out panic which will result staying in the hell realm to relearn?[/quote] Yes, essentially so. Imagine the whole "tunnel of light" or "whole life flashing before your eyes" of an NDE occuring for the entire planet at once. That is Blue Beam. That's what they have planned for us in 2012, but it won't be real. If the greys appear then, they will assist some and hurt others, entirely due to how the individual reacts to them. During the eclipse, what we manifest will occur. If we manifest nothing, as I say, then we will continue on into the "heaven" dimension, but if we manifest fear and trembling, we will be pulled into the "hell" dimension where fear and trembling give cause to reason. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] Aside from those the greys have been watching to take, the ones whom they have not been watching but during the event are seeking knowledge vs panic, they will be able to go with those whom the greys have selected...If I read correctly?[/quote] Yes. There's three basic realities: either we wake up on 12-22-2012, and the only thing that has changed for us is peaceful grey disclosure of time-travel technology, we will evolve quite rapidly into light-beings who can travel the galaxy as pure mental-energy alone. If we wake up, and martial law has been declared, and hell is breakng loose everywhere, we may still be able to escape by seeking the guidance of the greys, through meditation and inner-self calming prayer, mantras, etc. In this event, at worst, our bodies will die, but our souls will ascend. In the third possible reality, neither of these events occurs. This world-line ends in 2029, when Apophis hits the planet earth. [quote][i]Originally posted by JJ050[/i] Also what about the children are they condemned to hell? You say those who manifest fear will remain in the hell dimension for 1000 years, well when this event happens, the children are not awake or dont have the knowledge to know not to fear what is happening. So if they break out in fear and panic being they are kids does that automatically condemned them if their parent or parents are awake and advance? Along with people companion pets, they will be left to suffer and starve, fend for their own while we go on?[/quote]

Hell no, kids wouldn't go to hell. Not only will children naturally simply awaken into the "heaven" dimension, their shells left behind in the "hell" dimension will appear as light-beings to their parents, able to act as guides toward the greys, and out of the tunnel-reality of the "hell" dimension into the clear light barrier between here and outside of time. Pets won't even notice anything happen in 2012. If martial law strikes around you, it will be your own perception of it that causes you to die in it.

Animals wouldn't ever imagine martial law, so they will survive regardless. In general, the animal and plant species will only die out entirely in the middle timeline, the grey-area, in which earth ends in 2029.

PEACE. - Jon [quote][i]Originally posted by SpectreDC[/i] related material... Any suggestions where to start...?[/quote] I was just describing how to read 777 to a friend of mine's neice just now. There's really no limit to the amount of indespensible reading material out there. I recommend Graham Hancock because he first got me started. Also, George Atwill, my current favourite, for deciphering Jospehus for me. I'd say William T. Still is better than David Icke, even better than Jim Marrs, in so far as brevity and lack of speculation are concerned.

Honestly there's more junk out there than gems. I could downtalk Theosophy until Blavatsky jumps over the moon-child of Jack and Cameron Parsons with Al Hubbard, and Mormonism and Scientology are simply beneath a waste of time to me. There are con-artists everywhere, and let's face it, at the end of the day, I really am just one too, but I try to keep the intent and the info I generate true. Drunvalo Melchizedik is all garbage, so far as I am concerned. [quote][i]Originally posted by SpectreDC[/i] Also, what are your beliefs on the nature of reality itself?[/quote] I adhere to no beliefs, but I've observed many things I do believe will be proven true given enough time for scientists to do so. What I've ascertained through some diagrams available here: http://www.scribd.com/people/documents/1404422/folder/48035 is that the universe we live in exists within a singularity, whose interior boundary is the speed of light, and the interior-surface of which we call the space-time continuum, but which does not itself expand or contract, except insofar as it is being eaten up into black holes and re-distributed into the multiverse outside our local universe. [quote][i]Originally posted by SpectreDC[/i] And ascension after this reality through escaping reincarnation?[/quote] This is a goal I desire, and that I chose to incarnate in this time and place. [quote][i]Originally posted by SpectreDC[/i] I feel we have very similar beliefs although you seem to focus more on earthly matters. Are these related?[/quote]

I don't know you well enough to know. [quote][i]Originally posted by SpectreDC[/i] Are your plans related in helping this planet as a whole to ascend spiritually as well as live in this reality pleasantly and positively?[/quote] Yes. [quote][i]Originally posted by SpectreDC[/i] India WAS the first.[/quote] I think there were two migrations out of Antarctica. The first was by the "Annunaki" who populated the fertile-crescent, including Iraq, Egypt and India. The second wave was when Antarctica began to freeze, and led mainly from Australia across Lemuria, or Mu, the land-bridge connecting Australia to the Indian sub-continent. Around this time there was also a small migration into S. America from Antarctica as well.

PEACE. - Jon Supriem David Rockefeller claims to have been raiased by his mother, whom alledgedly had some form of ties to the Rothschild family, and he was, according to the mythos, later adopted into the Rockefeller family. Another origin story for him currently circulating is that he is con-artist named Travis from Kentucky who embezzled some money from his job. Neither of these is necessarily mutuallyexclusive of the other.

Past and present associates of SDR include Michael Prescott (so-called "third prophet"), Jarl Vidar (or pseudo-Thule), Wes Penre (who claims no direct contact), Frank Love (business affiliate). At one point, Leo Zagami's backer at the time, Scott Bruno, was seeking more information about SDR through me, but I didn't have anything to say at the time.

SDR maintained, for several months, his own page on facebook. Supposedly, someone accused him of being a fraud, and he posted a scanned pic of what he purported to be his passport, including the Rockefeller name and his photo. Immediately after this, his page was deleted, but within two days was back. Since then it seems to have disappeared again.

Here are some links that have developed since that time, about a month ago: debunking front group http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=285389408641 run by Jeremy Lightfooot http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000511454920&ref=mf the SDR "fan club": http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=89545691615 created by Hamshel Kal: http://www.facebook.com/Hamshel

Frank Love's facebook profile: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000508534806 Jarl Vidar's facebook profile: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000456800232 Michael Prescott's facebook profile: http://www.facebook.com/TheThirdProphet SDR's youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Supriem a caller to Jason Bermas' infowarrior mentions SDR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSxozZm8YgI I hope these links help researchers of this topic. Please contact these people, they are ready, willing and able to discuss SDR from every point of view. PEACE. - Jon http://www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/page67.htm http://www.disclose.tv/forum/debunking-the-supriem-rockefeller-myth-hoaxt14339.html [quote][i]Originally posted by triplescorpio[/i] great story though!![/quote] Thanks! I think. LMAO! [quote][i]Originally posted by DrJay1975[/i] You honestly believe this stuff.[/quote] I humbly disagree. But then, in the event I may be lying about that, I'd like to ask you to prove your statement to me. Thanks in advance for your 15 minutes. [quote][i]Originally posted by DrJay1975[/i] Everything in the wrold that is bad isn't part of an elaborate conspiracy. [/quote] I disagree on this point too. I honestly do think that there are, as you put it, some just plain "bad people," but that, for sometime now, like, for 6000 years, they have been studying how to work together behind the scenes to fleece the masses. But then, I admit, I could be wrong about it. I've been wrong about other things too.

Alot of these posts are using the definitions established for terms in other threads on ATS by other posters, or wherever they learn their definitions, and do not reflect my own use of these terms. I haven't said anything about "aliens" have I? In my next post I want to define some of these terms as I am using them in the context of this exposition, to specify my meanings in using them, as opposed to those you may be more used to hearing them used to mean.

PEACE. - Jon

reptlians / "neo-Sethians": human beings who believe in the imminant end of the earth who want to participate in bringing it about. They believe in the "secondcoming" of Jesus now, just as 2000 years ago the same group believed Jesus was the "second-coming" of Seth. The reason they are "reptilian" is that this group will deevolve into a sub-species of humanity over the next 1000 years or more. In other words, 2000 years ago, they worshipped Seth, now they worship John of Patmos, and in another 2000 years they will have devolved into lizards. Calling someone a reptilian doesn't make them any less a human being. They are considered reptilians whether they ever exhibit the appearance of it or not, if they fit the definition given here for the "neo-Sethians." shape-shifters: The people who shape-shift are exhibiting a genetic mutation breakdown. This can occur for some naturally, but for most it occurs due to their exposure to time-travel, and to time-travel technology. Seeing people shape-shift does not occur often. To see it, they must exhibit the trait, and you must see it, not only physically, but also psychically. This means in the form of a deja-vu, a double-take, etc. which triggers a sense that you have just witnessed something paranormal.

Shape-shifting can be captured on film, video and digital media. It occurs at a very fast rate, does not last long, and flutters in an irregular pattern, such that any regular-rate film or video recording device will not be able to capture the full event of the shift. The best way to capture a shape-shift event on film or video is to cover it in "bullet-time" form many angles simultaneously. However, since it usually occurs either when the person who can exhibit it is cornered and nervous or is otherwise surprised out of their normal routine, and otherwise does not occur, it is difficult to capture it occuring at random. bugs / trantaloids: Another future sub-species of humanity is even further deevolved than the reptilians. They are the insectoids, meaning their future physiological morphology exhibits the traits of various different kinds of insect. The insects are diametrically opposed enemies of the reptilians. They are, however, beginning to work with one another, albeit the insects in the lead, and that covertly.

The insects are the night-manifestation of the reptilian day-side. In short, we mammals may consider the reptilian idealogy of fear and retreat evil, but beyond and behind even this is the deeper evil of the hive-mind of the trantaloid bugs. By manipulating a hemispherical diametrical opposition (ie. day vs. night aspects), one landmass may prosper while another fails, one landmass may be more democratic, one more totalitaritarian, one may be warmer, the other colder, one light, one dark, and likewise the sub-species mutants of the two hemispheres will be different in appearance and philosophy as well. Take heed, though, that while now the bugs and reptiles rule this archetypal psychic plane, later the reptiles will evolve into the "Quetzal" and the last bugs be dethroned by new mammals. greys: The greys are human beings that have stepped outside of the flow of entropic time for some prolonged period of time. These are legitimate time-travellers, who can use their own psyche to project a disc-craft capable of travelling through space and time. They exhibit the psychic-morphology of amneionic foeti to someone outside their "circle" or disc-craft while they are time-travelling in it, however this is only due to the fact they are using their own energy-aura as alike a foetus' womb, to project their own mental essence onto the interior surface of it as it surrounds them.

They appear as "greys" either while in their craft, or while using their mind to project energy onto the environment around them, but the rest of the time they appear like the rest of us, or like mutated reptilians or insects. They can step outside of time, though, which means that, though they may apepar human, they are ultimately above humanity insofar as they can use their psychic power to manifest

reality. aliens / EBEs: There has only been one legitimate alien alive on this planet. One was EBE1, who died here. The other was EBE2 who came to collect his remains, and stayed for some time working with the US DOD to manage a trip of humans to the planet of these aliens' origin. Twelve people left, ten returned, one had died while away, and another decided to stay there. This planet is reached through hyper-space, that is, by going beyond or outside spacetime. While the greys MAY BE human in origin, and simply able to travel through time, EBE1 and 2 claimed to be FROM this planet, which is reached using the same form of technology used by the "greys" to step outside of time. It is possible to travel through space and time, thus the location of this planet is not only somewhere else than earth in outerspace, it might exist at some other point in time as well, either in our own past, or even in the future. time-travel: We are always travelling one-way in time, from past-to-future, for our own individual biological-clock. However beyond this form of existence, which really only extends as far as to the surface of our planet, inside its gravity well, it is also common to travel through time from a position above this as well; using the method of measuring time as mapped onto the spherical surface of our own planet, we are able to travel faster than the speed of the planet's rotation in either the same, or the opposite, direction of its rotation. This means, every time you get into a car and drive, or get into an airplane and fly, east or west any distance at all, you are travelling "outside" of time physically, even if you do not psychically realise it. The result of time-travel is, thus, on our personal genetics governing our own biological clock. This is why shape-shifters appear as sub-species, rather than more highly mentally adapted beings: because they are de-evolutions to prior forms of species present in our own DNA. The genetic breakdown caused by time-travel is due to it accelerating our natural biological clock, thus shortening our lives, but only on a genetic level, and thus causing our genes to break down into earlier forms of animal species. http://www.benpadiah.com/otherstuff/howtotimetravel.jpg PEACE. - Jon Aloha ATS readers!

As some of you may know, my name is Jonthan Barlow Gee, and I wrote the document under discussion here. This is not the first time one of my documents has been brought up in discussion here without my knowledge, but it's perfectly fine by me; I'm always happy to discuss them directly with anyone. Here's the other thread, which discusses the POD in general, but in specific a document called the "Lemurian Church/Bank."

This is the Most Scariest Illuminati Document I ever read: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread468597/pg1 [quote][i]Originally posted by colloredbrothers[/i] http://www.scribd.com/doc/10561191/XB10LeviteCrownPope [/quote] In point of fact, the link you provided is to only a portion of the complete POD.pdf.

read the POD (2010 edition) on scribd: http://www.scribd.com/doc/7821379/the-Pythagorean-Order-of-Death-2010-ed download the POD10.pdf free from rapidshare: http://rapidshare.com/files/279318212/POD10.pdf [quote][i]Originally posted by colloredbrothers[/i] we are currently in the "worse" scenario timeline (wouldn't you agree?).[/quote] We in the POD do not agree. We assert the concept that between 5/5/2000 and 12/21/2012, the "better" and "worse" dimensions are crossing and combined. [quote][i]Originally posted by colloredbrothers[/i] this group is highly spiritual and wants good for us people.[/quote] This is very true. [quote][i]Originally posted by colloredbrothers[/i] The only problem is that once you look at what an ideal society for them includes is one where there is a one world governement or as they like to call it Atlantean democracy.[/quote] Everyone in the POD accepts the concept global government is, at some point, barring our extinction or complete planetary destruction, inevitable. Whether it will be "good" or "evil" depends on the form it will take. The plan for a government based on ideal #-theory, and advanced by the POD as "Atlantean Democracy," would be a global government based on direct democracy, equal pay for everybody, and understanding of esoteric sciences rather than religion. Its Constitutions may have flaws, but these may also be ammended. The POD do not believe "Atlantean Democracy" will ever be practised here on earth, successfully, unless it be on a global scale. [quote][i]Originally posted by colloredbrothers[/i] This group gets its knowledge from ancient civilizations and writings (ie enoch, sumaria, Atlantis, Lemuria...).[/quote] Again this is true. Our historical records begin about 26,000 years ago, and we have detailed accounts of all civilisations since then. Our scientific records allow us knowledge of what existed prior to the "big bang" and what will follow the eventual evaporation of our local spacetime dimension. We have limited capacity to make accurate predictions about future events on earth, by applying a method of remoteviewing combined with the understanding of cycles we have gained through the knowledge of our past historical and esoteric scientific records. [quote][i]Originally posted by colloredbrothers[/i] there is no indication in this text of any date[/quote] Not in the document you'd linked to initially, however in the complete POD.pdf the meanings of 5/5/2000 and 12/21/2012 are explained in depth. [quote][i]Originally posted by colloredbrothers[/i] We will go from "primitive" non-psychics to psychics (not all of us, only the ones who are ready).[/quote]

Again, we in the POD disagree. The POD vision of what will occur in 2012 is that all beings alive on this planet will acquire extra-sensory perceptions at once. Plants will think, animals speak language, and humanity evolve the capacity for instantaneous manifestation. The result will be that each of us will have our own unique time-line temporarily, some of which will self-terminate along the way, until the majority realities reconverge into two parallel time-lines, both populated by the survivors.

The "better" world-line will be populated by those who do not manifest martial law and blue-beam scenarios, while the "worse" dimension will be populated by those who do.

I've been discussing this divergeance in time-lines in another thread here on ATS: "shape-shifting reptilians and you": http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread536949/pg1 But I'll be happy to discuss it in this thread as well if you'd like to learn more. [quote][i]Originally posted by colloredbrothers[/i] The Atlantean democracy is a system that is globalised where there is a centralized power controlling money, wealth and religion. It is a society that controls every aspect of ones life.[/quote] This is inaccurate, in the sense that there is no single ruler in a system governed by "Atlantean Democracy" (based on ideal #-theory). There is a nominal Pope, who is one of 7 "chief executives" (equivalent to the pres and veep in the current US system), and this "Pope" serves as the go-between from the State to the Church, ie. in this system, the Lemurian Bank. The Pope has no additional authority as such, and ultimately the rights and priveledges of ALL members of a society under "Atlantean Democracy" would be identical. [quote][i]Originally posted by colloredbrothers[/i] the "slave race", they would still get payed[/quote] This is a misconstruation. Technically, the "non-psychic slaves" identified by the POD are, presently, the "masses," who exchange their own ESP for value in the economic marketplace, however in the future, would only include those who choose to exist without developing ESP. As such, they would benefit from the banking system with the same wage as a usual citizen, but they would simply choose not to participate in the direct voting system of Atlantean Democracy. We in the POD do not look down on either the capitalistic "masses" now, nor those who choose to remain non-psychic in the future. The POD recognises all living beings as equally infinite in their capacity for sentience. [quote][i]Originally posted by colloredbrothers[/i] psychic's: These people are people with psychic abilities and would become the masters of the "slaves".[/quote] Again, this is a statement that applies to how things are NOW, not to how the POD wishes for them to be in the future under a system of Atlantean Democractic government. The "Pythagorean" wing of the "Order of Death" are only idealists among this group of international psychics. We believe the future can be a utopia without genocide, and that we can all make the transfer to a global government in peace.

Thanks for starting this thread, for reading my writings, and for being sharing your remarks on them here. I'm glad to be here too, to answer any questions. PEACE. - Jon [quote] the business is making money by selling a solution to a problem that the business itself created (or that it intentionally allows to continue to exist).... the statute is sufficiently broad to encompass illegal activities relating to any enterprise affecting interstate or foreign commerce. [/quote] - source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeering [quote] If you don't intend to kill or injure someone, can you send blood through the post?

Yes, with the right packaging. If the blood you'd like to mail is pathogen-free, the United States Postal Service is happy to transport it by ground or air. (Same goes for saliva, urine, and stool samples.) But first you'll need to satisfy the Department of Transportation's safety requirements: Place your bodily fluids in a leak-proof receptacle (like a test tube), cushion it with an absorbent cloth, insert the tube and cloth together into a plastic bag or some secondary leak-proof container, and then stuff the whole mess into a sturdy box with the phrase exempt human specimen in bold lettering. (Go to Page 10 of this PDF* for a visual.) Of course it's impossible to know whether untested blood contains viruses or other disease-causing microorganisms, but for shipping purposes, a "reasonable expectation" that pathogens aren't present is good enough. [/quote] - source: http://www.slate.com/id/2212472/ *PDF source: http://www.iata.org/NR/rdonlyres/9C7E382B-2536-47CE-84B49A883ECFA040/0/Guidance_Doc62DGR_50.pdf PEACE. - Jon Atlantean Democracy is defined as an approachable and ammendable system of government based on ideal #-theory. the Atlantean Constitutions (current and complete) can be read online here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/8014483/the-Atlantean-Constitutions-current-andcomplete Here is a brief run-through of the contents of these Constitutions: Beginning on page 10, we introduce the three branches of the government in the "book of prayers," which contains the oaths to be taken by each branch before convening a meeting. The three branches of Atlantean Democracy are: 23 member Senate 13 member Jury 7 Chief Executives On page 11, we find three clauses, corresponding to the three levels of initial

psychic-initiation of the Atlantean Democratic school system.

On page 13, we find the Atlantean Citizens' "Bill of Rights," gauranteeing each individual sovereignty and direct Democracy. It also introduces the gaming system used to reflect the Atlantean government, which I'll return to here again in a moment.

Page 14 provides the State-side declaration of rights, rules, responsibilities, etc. This is also the first mention of the "church/bank" of Lemuria in these Constitutions.

They are given as necessary to the State only to provide armaments to the Jurors to hunt down criminal suspects.

Pages 16 & 17 provide the "Constitution of the Pope," that is, the one of the seven chief executives that also acts as nominal head of the Lemurian "church/bank." The choice to create the office of Pope is optional, and it can also be disbanded at any time.

Pages 20 & 21 provide the "Constitution of the Executives" (ongoing), outlining the laws governing all free citizens living under Atlantean Democracy.

Pages 22 & 23 provide the "Constitution of the Congress" that establishes the ranks, titles and numbers of people necessary to operate the various levels and stages of Atlantean Democracy.

There are various diagrams throughout the text which I will explain as we go on.

Here are some videos including an explanation of the gaming form of "Atlantean Democracy," as well as showing the model of the dodecahedronal Senate building. the Atlantean Senate (playlist): http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=552890EF87977BF0 "Atlantean Democracy" is an intellectual proprietary right under the "Pythagorean Order of Death" system I designed. For more information about the complete POD visit our ning site: http://pythagoreanorderofdeath.ning.com/ where you can find a free copy of the POD's 2010 edition to download from rapidshare.

I can answer any questions generated by this document, these videos and this website. I am not here to encourage nor discourage any of you to join nor to shun the POD. This thread is meant as an open debate forum for the concept and feasibility of "Atlantean Democracy" as a possible alternative form of global government to the one-world-dictator of the NWO's "Protocols." Please feel free to ask me anything, to discuss these concepts openly and freely, and to propose alternative solutions to any problems you may see in them. I look forward to a fun debate.

PEACE. - Jon - source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread541375/pg1 NOTE BENE:

there are already two threads here on ATS discussing the Lemurian "church/bank" aspect of the POD system: The Pythagorean Order of Death (remarks): http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread537034/pg1 links to: Levite Crown Pope 10° of the POD: http://www.scribd.com/doc/10561191/XB10LeviteCrownPope this is the most scariest illuminati document i ever read... http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread468597/pg1 links to: Levite Crown Pope 10° of the POD: http://www.scribd.com/doc/10561191/XB10LeviteCrownPope So, here in this thread I want to avoid the more purely economic and religious aspects of Atlantean Democracy, and try to look at only the state side aspect of it. The best way to do this is to briefly study the constitutions (linked in the OP).

In point of fact, the Lemurian Church/Bank "degrees" in the full POD system are actually lower in rank than the Atlantean Democratic state-side. As given from page 23 of the Constitutions: [quote] Shamen&Wizards::Lemuria::lunar:Ka 8°:: Priest:Binah ADNY:AyinSophAur::church:3V°:2VI°:1VII°=6::7:23 minimum needed to comprise a "church" = 3 OES, 2 GD, 1 OTO = 6 9°::Cardinal:Chokmah YHVH:AyinSoph::Monastery:5V°:3VI°:2VII°=10::13:23 minmum for a "monastery" = 5 OES, 3 GD, 2 OTO = 10 10°::Levite:Crown: Pope EHEIEH:Ayin::Court:7V°:5VI°:3VII°:1X°=16::1:7 minimum "papal court" = 7 OES, 5 GD, 3 OTO = 15 Chiefs&Sages::Atlantis::solar::Akh 11°::Understanding:23 Senate: (3iia°*2)+(7iic°)+(13iib°)=23::salt=water/fire::"Limitless Light" 3 "public" with 2 votes each (Masons of first degree), 7 executives (third degree), 13 congress (2nd degree) 12°::Wisdom:13 Judiciary: (1iic°)+(12lot22)=13::sulphur=fire/air::"Without End" 1 exec (min), all others drawn by lot from senate.

13°::Kether:7 Executives: (1iia°)+(2iib°)+(3iic°)+(1X°)=7::mercury=air/water::"No Thing" 1 Mason of the first degree, 2 second degree, 3 of the third degree and 1 pope [/quote] This explains, concisely, the members of each of the Lemurian "church/bank" and

the Atlantean Democracy "degrees" of the POD system.

Please feel free to ask any questions about this system that might occur to you.

PEACE. - Jon [quote][i]Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman[/i] Why is it your view that a global government is needed?[/quote] It is neither mine nor anyone I know in the POD's point of view that "global government is needed." We believe global government is inevitable on a larger scale, however we also believe global government is currently being practised now on a smaller scale by a few rich elites, and we in the POD believe they are handling it wrongly. We in the POD feel that a better form of global government than either what we have now or a NWO dictator would be an universally open and direct form of Democracy. That is why I designed the POD, however as I have said, the POD is not designed to work on a micro-scale within a larger system defined by either the conditions we have now nor under a NWO dictator. It is designed as an alternate substitute for these. [quote][i]Originally posted by AwakeAndAware[/i] If you want to "join the galactic community", then you have to have one government for this ball of dirt that can speak for the ball of dirt as a whole so that representatives from other balls of dirt have someone to deal with and negotiate with[/quote] That is an interesting point, but the same conclusion can be reached in the event of a NWO dictator ruling the planet alone: you would still have a single official, capable of speaking on behalf of the entire planet. What I've tried to do in designing Atlantean Democracy for the POD is to invent a system that would function at a global level, without any need for extra-terrestrial interference, but which would provide a plenum of executive representatives, all of equal rank, such that none would have more authority than the others, and these would all be popularly elected positions.

We in the POD do not belkieve in having a single global dictator. We believe in having 7 chief executives. [quote][i]Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman[/i] And you think that a global government will solve those problems?[/quote] As I just pointed out, the problem as A&A posed it was regarding the provision of a planetary representative to the "galactic community," actually would be solved by a single global dictator. However, we in the POD believe very strongly that having a single head of a any government is a dangerous and short-lived method of governance. We advocate a form of direct Democracy and a system of government offices based on ideal number-theory instead. [quote][i]Originally posted by TheCoffinman[/i] atlantis was destroyed because it was a failed state essentially so dont you think any form of government based off of it will fail too[/quote] According to the myth, Atlantis was destroyed when they abused the (technological?) power they had accumulated and it caused a self-destructive natural disaster. This form of "(technological?) power" we in the POD call the ECS (Enochian Communications System) and we use it to achieve our advanced level of ESP, however

we do not abuse this power by using it to drain the individual will-power of others, as some who use the ECS but who are not in the POD do. The POD identifies these people as "psychic vampires," as "reptilians" or as "neo-Sethians." [quote][i]Originally posted by felonius[/i] Who is going to be the one to decide "they have the psychic skills" to govern.[/quote] Our government is not based on the "most skilled" psychic ruling over the others. In the version of a global dictator proposed by the NWO conspiracy, one person sits atop a huge psychic pyramid, as in the model you just related. In Atlantean Democracy all the citizens are equall infinite in their potential capacity to develop their psychic skills how and to whatever extent they wish. However, there would also be some who would not wish to develop their ESP skills in a way that would benefit the citizens of Atlantean Democracy, and these would be considered equal in terms of their human rights, but would not be considered full "citizens" of the governmental system, and thus would not vote.

Please read the Constitutions and I am here to answer any and all questions! Thanks for all of your feedback thus far.

PEACE. - Jon [quote][i]Originally posted by randyvs[/i] I was going to ask, do you mean the monarchy, or the democracy?[/quote] The original Atlantis was a monarchy, however I believe the system I have invented is based adequately on what would most likely have been the ideal alternative to their own system. I believe that, prior to the end of the last ice-age, global-scale government fell because it was too centralised. [quote][i]Originally posted by randyvs[/i] What's to debate? I think it sounds like great alternative to all that one this, one that, we are B.S. We are not one. I am that I am and we are are always many never just one.[/quote] Yes, well then you may be disappointed to learn the Constitution of the Executives uses an adapted version of the "law of one," that being that the original law is there is no law. Thus, to know that law is to understand all the others. [quote][i]Originally posted by TheWalkingFox[/i] Wasn't Atlantis, according to the myth's originator Plato, a corrupt and tyrannical military dictatorship diametrically opposed to the only variety of democracy in the world (that being the Athenian Republic)?[/quote] According to Aleister Crowley that account holds true also. His description in Liber 51: the Lost Continent (read online here: http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib51.htm ), he describes essentially the same pre-deluvial world as would later be discovered to have been described by the Sumerians many millennia before. All sources agree on the pantheist nature of the monarchical oligarchy. [quote][i]Originally posted by randyvs[/i] That's some deep shizzle right there.[/quote] I rarely get the oppurtunity to do this directly and in public when I receive a

compliment: THANK YOU. I'm glad you enjoyed looking over it! That means alot to me.

Thanks. [quote][i]Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman[/i] In order to propose a form of global government and request discussion of global governance alternatives to the "NWO" type, is it necessary to come to the conclusion that a global government is what is needed.[/quote] To specify again, the POD see global-scale government as "inevitable" but not "necessary." [quote][i]Originally posted by AwakeAndAware[/i] to set up a base, or whatever reason they would want to make a deal with the island.

You can't deal with 185 seperate governments, it's just not feasible. Each tribe would want the base in the area that they control, or want to be the tribe that trades or sells the resources. The rest would certainly war on the lucky tribe picked.[/quote] Don't forget to factor in radical reactionaries who would want no base at all, or the fact that it is usually whichever tribe that wins the base-contract that then starts the wars with its otherwise peaceful neighbors. [quote][i]Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman[/i] The further "up the chain" the people who exercise this control/power over other people, the less the people have control/power over the restrictions placed on them.[/quote] This is a very good point, from my point of view. I'd prefer to be at the "bottom" of the food-chain and free than at the "top" and a slave. I am reminded of the Nirvana song "Serve the Servants" as well as the the Jim Morrison poem-line, "The servants have the power: dog men and their mean women." [quote][i]Originally posted by TheCoffinman[/i] american democracy is a ponzi scheme like everything else in this country, a scam, a farce, we live in a two-party bankocracy... [/quote] Agreed, whole-heartedly. The only "capitalistish" competition there is nowadays is between corporations trying to figure out the best way to screw their customers. This applies between the neo-cons and the neo-libs too. The CFR is employing dialectics to confuse and disempower "we, the people." But then, what can we, the people do about this? This was the kind of thinking that got me started on designing Atlantean Democracy. I hope you all enjoy it.

PEACE. - Jon I'm a reincarnation of Jesus Christ! ... are you?

In this post I will attempt to address some possibly problematic issues with the doctrine and dogma of the Christian religion that I can recognise solutions for. The desired result for anyone in reading this I intend is to introduce to their minds some new ideas that may run contrary to their old beliefs, however to do so in a gentle and questioning way only. I am not stating these ideas as FACTS nor BELIEFS. These are only observations and ideas I've had.

Did Jesus Preach Reincarnation?

There is no evidence within the canonised synoptic gospels in the Vulgate nor any subsequent editions of the New Testament of the Bible to support that he ever did.

This is not because he never did though. It is because these teachings were edited out of his sayings and hidden as the secret morals to his parables by the original authors and later editors of the synoptic Gospels. However, the teachings of the Master excluded from the Synoptic Canon are included in the Apocryphal and Pseudepigraphal writings from the time, and there are many more of these than the merely three Synoptic gospels of the Vulgate Canon. In many of these there are some very odd key-word sayings, vividly descriptive apoclyptic visions and very different belief systems expressed than those traditional study of the NT prepare one to discover, let alone possibly accept as their own beliefs. A great deal of the Master's teachings in these writings deal specifically with reincarnation, and even more specifically, alike the teachings of the Buddha as well, how to escape it.

The metempsychosis of the soul versus the desposyni rex deus bloodline The concept of "reincarnation" as it was introduced first into the west from the east

by Pythagoras (~570-485BCE) around the lifetime of Buddha (~563-483BCE), was originally the basis for the Vedic caste system. It was believed from pre-historic times in India that one's deeds in their life determined the luck they would have in their next human life on earth. Metempsychosis, as Pythagoras described it, included atavistic de-evolutionary reincarnation as lesser forms of animal as well. At around the same time of Pythagoras, Buddha taught that one could evolve upward or devolve downward in a cycle of "Lokas" on an eternal wheel of Dharma. This doctrine was popularly accepted in the east, where it already had prior myths to support the notion of "metempsychosis." In the west, the idea of reincarnation at all, in any form, human or animal, was rejected. Catholicism replaced it instead with the concepts of an eternal heaven or hell awaiting us immediately after this life.

The essential premise of the "Rex Deus bloodline" theory is that the early Roman papacy chased the relatives and family of Jesus out of the Council of Nicea and exiled them into southern Europe. This is when the split began between the "Gnostics" and the "Catholics." The Cathars were the first sect accused of anti-Catholic practises and heretical beliefs, and their persecution began the Inquisition. The Cathars held that Christ had taught how to escape reincarnation.

Are we a dream in Krishna's mind?

The religion of Hare Krishna teaches that Krishna lives in the heart of the sun, is ever-dancing, but that his "universal form" is yet dormant within him, and he remains asleep most of the time to his full power. When Krishna awakens, he incarnates on earth as Buddha. This is why there have been 14 Dalai Lama also, because the Buddhists believe that the soul of the Buddha has been reincarnating here on earth in a new body each generation. The Hindu call an "ascended master" who returns to teach and lead others toward illumination, enlightenment and transcendence a "Boddhisattva." Thus, the Dalia Lama, as the reincarnation of the Buddha, is the chief governmental official in the oriental Buddhist system, because the entire society and government is seen as being made of reincarnations of monks who have studied under Buddha in one incarnation or another. Because he founded the government, his reincarnation leads it.

Just so, to the Essene community at Qumran on the middle-eastern Dead Sea at the time of Jesus' life, the leaders of the community were maternal-side bloodline descendents of the Hebrew kings or prophets whose names were also given them as titles. Thus, the descendent of Moses via King David was called the Levite King and the descendent of Aaron via the maternal lineage was called the Zadok Priest. When Jesus was born the son of a Zadokite father and a Levite mother, he was heralded as the first reuniting of the bloodlines since they diverged originally, and his followers attempted to declare him the "Priest King" of Judea and Israel. He was seen as the first person to recombine the occidental bloodline-based concept, and the oriental discorporeal soul concept, of reincarnation. Some believed he was of the House of King David, while others believed he was the "second coming" of Seth, the third son of Adam and Eve and the first truly human being.

Was Christ God, and is God Dead?

When word of the crucifixion spread, it was quickly built up into the status of the myth we find today: the Jewish Sanhedrin under Caiphas had pressured the Roman governor to kill the incarnation of God on earth. But did Jesus claim to be God? How do we define the term "Messiah," or "Christ"? It literally only means one who is "annointed" (usually using an ancient, sacred oil made from crocadile fat) in a ritual to represent the salvation of man from the element of water. However Jesus never declared outright he was even the "Messiah" as the Hebrew semites of the era understood it. Rather, he cloaked his meaning in key-word morals to his sayings and parables.

He called himself the "Son of Man." Being the "son of mankind" implies his mind as being the expression in a single man of the entire collective capacity for awareness of all humanity. However, because one cannot kill a being that is purely discorporeal mentation, a spiritual expression of our collective consciousness as a species; and whether he died on the cross, or of old age - because Jesus DID die, this begs the question as to if he truly was the "Son of Man" as he preached it. Because earth and humanity were not blinked out of existence when the body of Jesus died on the cross, many to this day refuse to attribute to the man any superhuman, paranormal or even spiritual feats at all. Because when Jesus died the universe did not blink out of existence, those who maintain his church to this day claim Jesus was only the "Son of God," and that it is God who is universal, and thus depict Jesus, the "Son of Man," using specifically solar symbology.

The disincarnate souls of Good and Evil Since the time of Jesus' crufixion, none have dared to step forward to claim themselves the "Son of Man" again. The modern Pope remains the direct, Apostolic link between someone alive now and the earliest Roman Emperors, while the Dalai Lama remains the leader of the Buddhist spiritual nation in absentia from Tibet.

Many believe the Prophet Mohammed was the final man to have lived who had direct contact with an angel of the Universal God, and many also feel that those who are direct bloodline descendents from him should rule the governments under the religious empire created in his name. In my opinion, none of these individuals are any more or less important or meaningful, significant to history or important to humanity, than any other being alive now or ever. They are, as are all the rest of us as well, only ordinary people. However, the myths of the "Son of Man" as the bloodline and spiritual reincarnation combined in one body of the "Most High" remain commonly known, and, combined with calendrical eschatology induced

tensions at this point in history, there is a movement that believe it is now the "End Times" and that the "Second Coming" of "the Son of the Most High" can appear as anyone from among us all, at any time. It might even be someone who does not know it themselves. Thus, the concept of the "Messiah" of 2,000 years ago has become equivalent to the concept of winning a sort of psychic-lottery today.

Are Christians reincarnations of Jesus?

It might seem that the majority of (if not all) people who call themselves "Christians" fail to live up to the moral code adhered to by Jesus that he taught to his Apostles.

However, they remain the living representations of his religion in this day and age.

As such, we must consider the idea that Christendom is populated entirely by the incarnations of spirits who were once merely thoughts in the mind of Christ. If they live according to the Golden Rule, they become more alike their Master's true wish for his followers, yet whether or not they do, they are only a statistical portion of the overall religion of Christianity today, and the whole of this overall religion can be viewed as the embodiment of the original dream of Jesus Christ. If more than half of all Christians have fallen from the path planed out for them by Christ, does this mean that Christ himself has failed, and that his religion has become corrupt? If the modern world-view of Christians has grown so different from the original mind-set of Jesus, does this represent the end of Christianity and the final death of the "Son of Man" as an embodiment of the "Most High"?

The King of Christendom and you.

These are not questions I can reach your conclusions about for you. If your kneejerk reaction to reading this preceding line of reasoning is to find it all dubious pseudo-reasoning with no logical nor liturgical basis, that is a conclusion you are reaching which I would disagree with, and would hope I had not misled you to. The overall point of this writing is to introduce these ideas: that "if you are Christian now, are you not a reincarnation of an idea in the mind of Jesus?" and that "if you are a reincarnation of the soul of Christ, then why not believe in this about yourself?"

PEACE. - Jon [quote][i]Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth[/i] [ex]Origen (185-254) ... denied the historicity of critical sections of Scripture; he taught the preexistence of the soul and universalism (the belief that all will eventually be saved) and denied that Jesus was raised from the dead in a physical body. These positions were condemned as heretical by later church councils. [/ex][url=http://www.ovrlnd.com/Universalism/Origen.html]Origen[/url][/quote] Thanks for the info, SOT. Origen was an early church father who was declared heretical, true, however he was hardly the purest or truest of the Gnostics. He was a neo-Platonist, as were the earliest Popes of the Roman "Universal" Church of Christianity. These Roman Popes determined the dogma for the earliest beliefs of Christianity, such as the Trinity rather than the ascended man, as well as the choice to edit out references to the Maccabean dynasty from the latin Vulgate. The reason for this is that these earliest Popes were themselves the Maccabean dynasts, the heirs of King David and the immediate family of Jesus. The church of Christianity was only one of the several theological "Universities" (the Flamines) of Rome. It was attended by the adopted son of Caesar Vespasian Flavius, Josephus, a Jewish priest and Roman

soldier. Josephus' "Histories" and "Wars" formed the basis for what was to be included and what excluded in the Vulgate version of the OT. [quote][i]Originally posted by CoolBlackHole[/i] Benpadiah, great thread.[/quote] Thank you. [quote][i]Originally posted by CoolBlackHole[/i] Wouldn’t this be the ultimate illuminati scam, the ultimate deception, the ultimate move?[/quote] It essentially is, however the Perfectibilists under Weishaupt were cryptoRosicrucian Familist Christians (Weishaupt himself defected from Jesuitism) who wanted to infiltrate governments via masonic lodges, in order to develop a secular opposition capable of toppling Roman Catholic domination following the Dark Ages.

On the other hand, the original Caesars, even those before Constantine, were already in the top offices of political authority, and were simply planning how best to conquer the "hearts and minds" of their collonies. They wrote the NT in order to convince us that if you teach passive resistance against pantheist Rome, in favour of any of Rome's collonies' individual Gods, then the other followers of that individual God will summon the State Power of the entire Roman Empire by accusing you of being a threat to Caesar; or in short: don't stick your neck out for anybody, lest you get your head lopped off. [quote][i]Originally posted by CoolBlackHole[/i] the revelations, prophecies, etc are [i]real[/i] predictions, i.e. also “facts”[/quote] The revelations are usually allegorical metaphors for cosmological sciences as they were known and understood at the time, similar to Alchemy's impliments during the Medieval era. However, the Prophecies are usually accurate, even if only for the reason that their followers and those believe in their good have a nagging tendecy to bring them about on their own. The best example of this is the 1918 Battle of Megiddo.

Did this battle, a relatively minor skirmish between the indigenous semitic Palestinians with invading British forces during WWI, occur on the same ground as the battlefield of the Egyptians and Judeans in 609BC specifically BECAUSE it was described allegorically by John of Patmos around 35AD? I can't answer that question for anyone else. [quote][i]Originally posted by ripcontrol[/i] Jesus was a kid and Joseph had to stop him from killing people.[/quote] I haven't read this story. Sounds comical. What's the name of it? [quote][i]Originally posted by ripcontrol[/i] To each his own. And each when followed to their death and beyond would go to where they believed.[/quote] I agree with this. Everytime a sentient dies, a new black hole somehwere super-novas into birth, and contains within the central signularity behind the event horizon a baby-universe where that dead sentient's mind may manifest their reality however they wish with absolutely limitless space and time. [quote][i]Originally posted by YouAreDreaming[/i]

Maybe the Universe has a massive multi-personality disorder[/quote] If it DOES truly have its own consciousness, it might be dreaming us all, or it might be aware and experimenting on itself in the form of us, like a pitri dish. I doubt God would long suffer MPD before some portion of the universe were suddenly wiped away from existence.

Peace.

- Jon [quote][i]Originally posted by Kajajuam[/i] not in the present climate.[/quote] [quote][i]Originally posted by benpadiah[/i] I agree. Atlantean Democracy as a system of government is too idealised to ever be practised. I agree fully. I do not recommend anybody take my fantstical flights of creativity wrongly and attempt to turn them to something harmful. That's not been my intent in creating them. I do not see new knowledge as a weapon; I am not that superstitious. I see the plans of the POD as a tool that can be used one way or another, at best, and at worse merely a colourful collection of childish imagination[/quote] - source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread468597/pg6#pid8069582 I think it's worth clarifying the pre-requisites before "Atlantean Democracy" as I have envisioned it could come into being, to make as transparent as possible just how lofty an ideal this form of government is: 1) 2) 3) 4) 5)

world wide peace. planetary telepathy for all sentient entities. no interference by off-world aliens. a completely de-weaponised population. a means of packaging and distributing limitless free energy.

If only one or two of these pre-requisites are met, it would not be enough to establish a working version of government of the sort I am proposing. For example, you cannot say, "the number of senators is 23," but then later add to that, "the necessary number for a quorum is 23, but any number greater than 22 will work equally well," because that would not be accurate to the intent of the Atlantean Constitutions in basing its official positions on odd #'s.

As I said in the initial post on this thread: [quote][i]Originally posted by benpadiah[/i] Atlantean Democracy is defined as an approachable and ammendable system of government based on ideal #-theory.[/quote] It is approachable insofar as only those who know of it are considered citizens, but those who are unaware of it, and operate without knowledge of its ideals, are not less intelligent nor less psychic, they simply choose to become slaves to money instead of freeing their minds to studying ideals. Thus, even if John D. Rockefeller himself were declared the NWO global-dictator today, he would still not be a member of the truly Atlantean society, as it exists even now, because he simply has no knowledge of its existence. In other words, if the Pope, the Dalai Lama, the President of the US and the diplomats of the UN decided one day to refrom their plans for a global government into those of the POD's ideals of "Atlantean Democracy" it probably would not work. This is why I caution the reader from thinking it would be adviseable, or even possible, to achieve these goals via violence. It is simply too improbable on this

planet at this point in history for this system of government to put into mass scale practise. That doesn't mean it's a bad idea. Just one that has little immediate relevancy. [quote][i]Originally posted by Kajajuam[/i] your organisation, POD, intends to strip power from the banks, national governments worldwide and church, all simultaneously[/quote] - source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread468597/pg5#pid8068965 This is partially true. The POD themselves do not intend to play any role in "stripping" their power from banks, national gov'ts, and churches, however we do predict how it would need to occur if the goal in others' doing so would be to benefit building Atlantean Democracy. In other words, alike global gov't, we in the POD believe the "stripping" of "power" from all existing modes of state and religion is inevitable, not desireable, but that it will occur regardless of our not wanting it to.

Thus, we in the POD desire to suggest to those in charge of this means an alternative ends for their same plans, that would allow them to save, rather than destory, all humanity and our planet. Our plan allows them to use their own means to create conditions favourable to implimenting our ends, eg. "Atlantean Democracy." The POD do not wish to see the NWO destory the existing social structures, however we believe this to be inevitable. Thus the POD propose "Atlantean Democracy" as the goal for restoration of government on a global scale, and we oppose the one-world-dictator of the NWO. PEACE. - Jon I'm U2Uing this to you because I would not be safe to post it openly myself. If you want to repost this, feel free. [quote][i]Originally posted by Boostah[/i] This Pythagoras Order of Death which is really just Jonathan Gee himself,[/quote] more or less true. There are probably around 50 to 75 other "members" now though.

Also thanks for being the first person to even attempt to spell my name correctly. [quote][i]Originally posted by Boostah[/i] is an amalgamation of old texts and loosley used forms of mathematics to explain or not explain rather such things like psychic abilities etc. [/quote] also true. No complaints from the author about this. [quote][i]Originally posted by Boostah[/i] Has also elaborately constructed and forged documents on scrib d and wrote books just to get some information out there that he has great regard for obviously. otherwise he wouldn't be bothered.[/quote] Never forged any documents. I have translated some old apocrypha, but I have NEVER claimed to have written anything that was in truth written by anybody else. Yes, I care a great deal about my information, and that is why I make it all available for free (even what I sell is free on request). I am a writer, though, not a rock-star, so my message won't get out as fast, but then again, I would not want to be a rock-star if that meant compromising the message I have to deliver.

[quote][i]Originally posted by Boostah[/i] so i can commend that, and it must hurt for him to think that he was helping people become more aware by making available this information he edited in nice bite sized forms and in quite a nice theory.[/quote] It actually hurts alot more than you probably know. Imagine being a Jewish kid, getting the shit kicked out of him by some NAZI bully, and a whole crowd gathers to watch it, and nobody says or does anything to stop it from happening. Imagine the way that event can change the world view of that Jewish kid. He might understand why the NAZI hated him. But if he can forgive the rest of the crowd for standing by in silence, then he is truly a better man than most Christians. Personally, I'm far too tempted right now to tell all of ATS to go to hell. I might do so anyway. It's better than anybody here deserves from me now. When I got here I was a total stranger to everyone. The only reason I joined was to clarify what other people had already said here about me. Nobody has slandered me so suddenly and so flagrantly on a forum ever. Nothing that poster said to or about me was true. I won't be happy unless he is IP banned. But that will never happen. [quote][i]Originally posted by Boostah[/i] but it was the wrong way to go about it so he must learn that. [/quote] What was wrong, the motive or the method? If it's both, "MrMask" was entirely in the right to berate me with lies. His motive was good, at least, even if his methods were brutally rude and grossly ignorant. But then again, if my motive was good too, as you seem to be capable of at least imagining you could pretend to understand, then "MrMask" and I were equally right, and equally wrong. Now, if my method is wrong, but unintentionally so, and "MrMask"s method is equally wrong, but intnetionally so... who is really right, and who is really wrong? [quote][i]Originally posted by Boostah[/i] I dont think he thought this was going to go anywhere as mr mask suggests that he is trying to recruit for a cult, i dont see any evidence of that really, he said himself he was a charlatan afterall.[/quote] The POD is NOT a "cult," and I never intended by joining ATS to "recruit" new members for it. This is a false accusation. [quote][i]Originally posted by Boostah[/i] So I think he should continue to preach what he believes and his theories but just drop the whole POD and POPE thing and we will give u a nice big PEACEfull hug here at ATS.[/quote] If to "open one's mouth" is considered to "preach," and if "truth" is nothing but "belief," and if I've ever once bragged about being the "pope," and if you could literally hug someone over the internet, and if you spoke for all ATS... then this sentence might mean anything to me. [quote][i]Originally posted by Boostah[/i] dont feel bad. [/quote] I try. [quote][i]Originally posted by Boostah[/i] by the by, if that book was in stores under fiction and written better, i would buy it

because the whole concept is very interesting (although i know its not a new one) stick to writing and go to a proper editor.[/quote] If my information were fiction, I would write it as fiction. It is fact, so I write it as fact. And yes, I am constantly looking for anyone who will edit my writings for me for free. Would you like to apply? [quote][i]Originally posted by Boostah[/i] watch out the next dan brown could be jonathan gee, actually you probably just gave him the idea for his next book, im sure he lurkes in here. [/quote] Dan Brown is neither talented, nor honest. That is why he is widely read. [quote][i]Originally posted by Boostah[/i] I think youll find my signature apt.[/quote] I found it ironic. Kind of like picking on a newborn for not being very tall, but whatever.

PEACE. - Jon http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/18/stack.letter.pdf?hpt=T1 http://www.benpadiah.com/otherstuff/JoeStack.pdf 17.6 MB in pdf form, the suicide note of Joseph Andrew Stack, describing his beliefs, prior to his piloting a plane into the 190 offices of the IRS in Austin, Texas. Called "anti-government" and "anti-wallstreet" on CNN, the contents of this note are based on Stack's personal beliefs on topics such as capitalism vs. communism. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0218102stack1.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g70Auk9AcG8 1 : to declare untrue <deny an allegation> 2 : to refuse to admit or acknowledge : disavow <deny responsibility> 3 a : to give a negative answer to <denying the petitioners> b : to refuse to grant <deny a request> c : to restrain (oneself) from gratification of desires 4 archaic : decline 5 : to refuse to accept the existence, truth, or validity of - source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deny Function: noun Date: 13th century the state or fact of being ignorant : lack of knowledge, education, or awareness - source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ignorance [i]reply [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread544986/pg1#pid8154350]post conar[/url][/i] [more] yep.

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I've talked towards Mr Mask before. He is the type A sort, obviously.

Not that my opinion will ever count since I'm a n00body compared to mrmask, the great and mighty King Troll of his own personal ATS "death-star," however, for now I do have a voice here, before I am sniped permanently silent for the momentary ironic smirk of some guard-mentality petty-tyrant Moderator.

The issue of "skepticism" versus "belief" is a diversion, a strawman issue. Mrmask is using it to acquire a cult following for his own personal uses, and does not really even believe in the cause himself. If he did, he would understand that perception of facts are less important to the final accurate truth as opposed to the facts themselves.

Thus, whether we are "skeptical" AND / OR "believers" is irrelevant beside what the facts are. It's a way to round people up into competing camps and then herd them head on into a stampede against each other. It's a power-trip mrmask's on. And he's on it alone.

In point of fact, mrmask repeatedly accused me for untrue claims, and when I challenged him to support them with evidence, he repeatedly refused. He refused to read the evidence I provided that countered his claims, and instead brought up fresh new accusations, equally invalid, unsubstantiated untrue and defaming of me personally. Now when someone willfully, even proudly, IGNORES evidence, and DENIES its validity based not on their knowledge, but on their IGNORANCE of it, is this an exemplary poster for this forum, whose slogan is "deny igrnorance"? I can't answer. I'm still a n00body here.

I'd also like to complain about how much it broke my heart, to have come here because OTHER people, who I never met, were talking about me here without my knowing it, and to have met with such a psoitive response at first from so many people, even being offered a spot with PC; only to then meet mrmask, who raped my words and destroyed my self-confidence. And where were all my "supporters" my "friends" the "hosts" the "moderators" during it? I really can't complain, afterall, I survived, and have yet to swallow a shotgun thanks to some hapless blunderer's maladroit malappopism online. But I did complain to the mods (individually to GAOTU789) at that time, and made it known to them again when they deleted my "offtopic" post in which I said I was adding mrmask to my "ignore" list. I'm reporting this thread now too, and if you think that is censorship of freedom of hate-speech, you should see it from my end.

PEACE. - Jon [quote][i]Originally posted by MajorDisaster[/i] am I crazy? I must be!!![/quote] Preach on brotherman. If that is the definition of insanity, allow me to join you for tea.

If I am crazy, and everyone who knows me knows I know I am, then it is not because I am intimidated by bullies. That is sane and logical. What is insane is when (IF!) I ultimately do fail to stand up for myself and my cherished values to them, and prevail. The greatest war-crime is silence.

As far as there being PAID DISINFORMATION AGENTS ON ABOVETOPSECRET.COM

FORUMS: there are, duh, by now they are in almost every forum. The days of the lurking Creeps gave way to the days of the Trolling Spooks on 9-11.

And WHO ARE THESE "TROLLING SPOOKS"? I can't name all their screen-names, per se, because I just joined. But if you like, you can reverse-engineer their identities case by case by analysing their strategies. For example: TROLLS CREATE MULTIPLE, DIFFERENT-IP ACCOUNTS: then they agree with themselves, and can always have a safe "backup account" when their primary usage one for the day is inevitably banned. It seems like science fiction to some of us, "insane" folks, but real people are doing this these days. Why? Some are kids doing it for net-cred. Most are adult-children grad-school, gung ho nationalist types at heart, and probably compare themselves often to GI Joe toys. Why does this group of "adults" do what gets off pre-pubescent nerds between looking at 18+ porno? Because they get paid to do it by the CIA. TROLLS INCITE FLAME WARS BY AD HOMINEM ATTACKS: the sole reason any "troll" goes to a forum is to burn off their hatred for themselves. They attack anyone who reminds them of "how they used to be" before they "wised up" to "reality." This bullymentality is exhibited mostly in the great ape family, and has been seen as "savage" and alike the behaviour of the "wild man" (bigfoot) since the reign of Gilgamesh in Kish. This mildly homo-erotic, sophomorically jocular, sarcastic and abusive, abrasively uninformed and in general "snot-nosed" mal-attitude exhibited by these individuals is to broadcast their own worst attributes onto strangers, rendering them perceieved enemies, and then to draw angry attention to the stranger for exhibiting their own ill trait. This is all to suck energy out of the crowd. They have no ability to lead if put in charge, so they all end up as like drone insects, plugged into the queenbee's hive-mentality.

TROLLS ARE ALLOWED TO OPERATE OPENLY BY MODERATORS: this is, not to beat a dead horse, and as I have said elsehwere on these forums before, how Hitler won the vicechancellorship. He simply put so much pressure on Grand Chancellor Bismark, and paid so many of this type of person to join his party, that Bismark felt powerless beside the "Bohemian corporal," and caved into allowing Hitler the Vice Chancellor position. It was the bat of an eye after that Bismark died, and immediately after that, the Reichstag fire decree declared the Third Reich a police state under Martial Law. Am I saying the ATS mods are knowing accomplices of these Spook-paid Trolls, or even unwitting conspirators after the fact for their agreeing to keep silent? No, I am not. I don't know them well enough to call them cowards and compare them to Bismark. No, that is not what I would like anyone to think I am saying.

TROLLS ATTACK THE CORE PREMISE OF ANY FORUM: If the forum were about botany, and the trolls were hired to bust up the forum about botany, they would crash in (or at least two or three at once would create six to ten multple accounts) and 1) start making rude comments to new forum members about their taste in flora, B) claim the older posters were weak for not "debunking" the "radicals" who questioned their tastes, and ultimately 3) attack the administration openly for mis-managing the forum and allowing such low-class florsists anywhere near the precious opinions of the oh-so-intelligent and award-worthy regular posters. Following this, they then vanish, thus leaving all the flowery little Sneeches branded and confused. All in a day's pay for a "fork-boy."

So, if you children out there in internet fantasy land want to try to track down a troll, when they say something you find highly dubious or cautionable, you should send

them a U2U. If they do not write back and do not read it, and do not log on again, and eventually their account is deleted, or they don't come back ever again (on that acocunt), then you will know that person was a PAID DISINFORMATION AGENT. However the only way to know for sure would be to have the Moderator's help in each instance. Mostly moderators of forums that have a high ratio of trolls feel disempowered to do their duty. However there remain some among them who would at least keep track for a while before considering whether to act on it or not. As I say though, I cannot speak on the ATS staff, individually, because I am new here.

WARNING:: TROLLS ARE ALWAYS RECRUITING: trolls are energy-vampires. They will accuse anyone who is friendly of being a spy, because they are spies themselves.

They will make friends with people by attacking a random stranger, then waiting to see who defends or agrees. They approach those who agree, and get them to spy on those who defended the hapless victim of the verbal abuse. If a troll accuses you of ANYTHING, it is because that is their OWN belief they are attacking by attacking you.

You are nothing but the straw inside their own diversionary argument. So if a wwwdottroll says, "you are in a cult," when you aren't, it is because they are in a cult, not you. Etc. This psychological process is called nowdays "transference," but it used to be called "Florence Nightengale" syndrome, from shell-shocked soldiers falling in love with their VA nurse.

WARNING:: TROLLS ARE DANGEROUS COWARDS: if cornered, they will react with the full amount of psychic-fear they have fed off of their victims. Do not approach a troll alone. They will win against almsot any individual. They never win against a group.

As far as skeptics and believers goes, the whole argument's a strawman. mrmask's a troll. All the rest's a "scam."

PEACE. - Jon okay well, now that this thread is in a more appropriate forum (thanks mods!) and now that this topic is not being subverted by personal attacks on me by trolls (thanks admins!), let's try again to discuss this topic: "What Is Atlantean Democracy?"

The Pythagorean Order of Death (POD) proposes the following format for society under the title of "Atlantean Democracy": Education System 1=0 degree: from birth until 9 months of age, citizens are free. At 9 months after birth, they are given the right to vote, reserved until they choose to use it. From 9 months old, when the right to vote is issued, until the child chooses to first use their right to vote, the child participates in a voluntary educational system that teaches the "Law of One." If the right to vote is never used, the person remains a citizen, with the right to use the economic system (which I will discuss in a moment), however they never progress beyond this zero degree in the POD's "Atlantean" social system.

2=A,B&C degrees: the equivalent of the Blue Masonic Lodge initiation rituals are given in the POD10.pdf, and are four in total, an additional one being given before initiation begins. These ceremonies are meant to be conducted in 4 differently styled "lodges," one for each of the four elemental forces. Thus the first initiation ritual is

performed in the lodge of Earth, the second in the lodge of Water, the third in Air, the fourth Fire. Again, these degrees are optional, initiation is free of charge, and the right to vote in elections bestowed by undertaking these degrees to become an "Atlantean" citizen is only psychic in nature. The rituals of these degrees are styled after historical Egyptian personages (Imhotep, PtaHotep) and mixed with Lovecraftian fictions (NyarlaHotep) to teach a moral lesson (good historical literalism vs. evil fiction).

Political Parites 3-7 degrees: there are 5 political parties in "Atlantean Democracy." They are, currently, in chronological order: 1) Essene Zealot: the York rite, considered more "Christian" in symbolism and shorter of the twin "ladders" of Masonry to ascend into secular knight-hood. The Christian symbols of the past aeon, the fish of Pisces, etc. are endangered now as the intervening aeon is ending, and the "new world order" beginning. Because these 5 political parties measure chronologically across a single aeon, the symbols at the beginning are invariably replaced by other symbols in the end, and the whole system will shift down one gear.

2) Knight Zion: The Scottish rite is considered more secular in symbolism and the longer method of achieving the benefits of progression beyond the Blue Lodge into the elections and mysteries of FreeMasonry. The Scottish Rite includes a "philosophical" set of rituals as well as the "chivalric" set of York. The origin of these rites is with the Rosicrucians following John Dee in the 16th century. The "philosophical" degrees of Scottish rite Masonry are Enochian, and thus "Atlantean," since Enoch reigned before the deluge.

3) Regal Rosicrucians: The "philosophical" degrees of Scottish Rite Masonry relate a historical myth about the Temple Builders under Solomon discovering the tomb of Enoch. This is then reflected in the later "chivalric" lessons of the Scottish rite in the moral of the Knights Templar discovering Solomon's treasury beneath the Temple Mount. The "Rosicrucian" political party's role in "Atlantean" society is as a travelling ambassador from one lodge to another.

4) Perfected Illuminati: the administrative degrees of Scottish rite, and the uppermost offices of the York knights, are both basically just office jobs of clerical bookkeeping. The IO, designed by Weishaupt, was meant to infiltrate the administration of Masonry in order to divert its energies to Weishaupt's cause. However, nowadays, we exist between the IO of yesterday and the NWO of tomorrow. Therefore, even the agenda of the highest ranking Masons is secondary to the orders coming down to them from the biggest cult in power now. This fulfills the Rosicrucian dictum: "the Pope is the anti-christ" by placing that figure-head position at the bottom of the figurative "pyramid."

5) Bohemian Camp: The fastest growing new religion is Thelema, as dictated by Aleister Crowley. Its "new age" pagan idolatry has introduced astrologers into the white house, and the highest ranking members of the IO's US cults (Skull and Bones, the CIA, etc.) have replaced the rightful leaders of the land with their own nefarious dogs of war by assassinations and blackmail. The Bilderbergers under Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands worship Lilith at Bohemian Grove as a means of casting off the chains of Christianity, and ushering in a new aeon they, themselves, cannot even begin to understand.

Now, you may be looking at these 5 "political parties" in "Atlantean Democracy" and thinking, these groups exist now, and thus "Atlantean Democracy" as it can be fully perfected is already being practised now, but this would be a wrong assessment. The difference between an ideal "Atlantean Democracy" as invisioned by the POD and what exists now is the harnessing of mental "Zero-Point Energy" (ZPE), ie. the use of global ESP as a source of limitless free energy.

Lemurian Religion 8 - 10 degrees: the "church" of the ideal "Atlantean" society fills the same role as currently filled by banks. Mental energy can be stored individually, and harnessed collectively, through a system of data-storage nodes in a non-centralised network.

The people working this system would be priest-bankers because they would allot the amount of mental-energy one would be able to deposit or withdraw from the whole social system. The POD envisions a three tiered strata system for these "quasireligious" degrees, from "local priest" to the "notional Pope," who is one of the 7 "chief executives" in "Atlantean Democracy."

Atlantean Democracy 11 - 13 degrees: the "state" aspect of the "Atlantean" society envisioned by the POD also has three pillars, however these are considered all equal in authority, and the members of the smaller groups belong also to the larger groups. These are the 7 "chief executives" (including the "Pope" ), the 13 members of a Grand Jury, and the 23 members of the "Atlantean Senate."

These are the basic levels of society in "Atlantean Democracy" as envisioned by the POD. I am here to answer questions. PEACE. - Jon since there have been no further questions or comments, with the permission of the forum, allow me to continue: [quote][i]Originally posted by Project2501[/i] The real inventors of the Logic cube is Pythagorean mathematics.[/quote] - source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread468597/pg2#pid7771631 I am here to confirm this point of view. Pythagoras' "obsession" with the "golden mean" and the ratios of the Pentagram are not accidentally the cornerstone of the modern POD. The "Logic Cube" used by the POD Senators to help in making their choices by answering their questions is based on my own "Formal System of Metaphysics" research into the six fundamental questions of logical reasoning. These six are the Pentagram's 5 exterior points and the one interior Pentagon inside of and between these. Here is a video I made explaining the relation between the "Pythagorean" Pentagram (the POD star) and the six fundamental questions of the "Formal System." View "more info" on yotube page of vid for link to the "Formal System" book. [yvid]gdLAUwn8jcA[/yvid] Logic Cube / Dice 速 The "Logic Dice" are only part of the POD's system for understanding ideal government. Most of the Utopiae of the past have alloted to their "New Jerusalems"

the pyramid-format, with the 4 elemental watchtowers at or between the 4 cardinal compass points, and placing "Christ" atop the pyramid model as the "fifth element," spirit, the "eye of providence," etc. In the POD's version, we also use the Base-5 method, but flatten it. We have created a system for Democracy based on odd-prime numbers that incorporates in its Senate's forum design 4 Elemental Lodges, with a Fifth open to the Public. To better explain this system, I created a board-game version of "Atlantean Democracy." Here is a video explaining the rules of that game: [yvid]LqSLo8Iq18o[/yvid] Atlantean Democracy 速 The design of the Senate building has a Pentagonal floor, with ten walls connecting floor to ceiling, in the shape of a Dodecahedron. The Ddecahedron, one of the 5 "Platonic" solids - or regular solid polyhedra in 3-space, is the shape of the Senate building, and likewise the other 4 self-similar solids are other buildings along the spiralling Atlantean "Way of the Dead." Here is a link to a youtube playlist of several videos depicting the Atlantean Senate building from inside and out: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=552890EF87977BF0 Thanks for your continued interest in my ideas for ideal government in the form of Atlantean Democracy, based on ideal number theory. PEACE. - Jon "If reptilians were real, why isn't there any evidence of them shape-shfting caught on tape?" Well, I'm glad I asked, because there is plenty of it, but like UFOs, remains obscure or outright discredited in main-stream scientific media, relegated to popfiction.

Here is a playlist I've compiled of only a few of the videos on youtube available showing "reptilians shapeshifting." All of the people in this playlist are famous. http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E9E023FC90443AE4 However, there are two specific cases of "shape-shifting caught on tape" from this playlist that I believe deserve a closer examination. These two both show the "shapeshift" in EXACTLY the way I have described it occuring throughout this thread, and for EXACTLY the same reasons. When reptilians' minds day-dream, their assumed "human" form drifts, and their true form becomes visible. [yvid]Od4aF9_Yy1Y[/yvid] Jenna Bush In this interview, Jenna's face repeatedly assumes its true, reptilian form, then when the camera cuts away and cuts back, she appears "human" again. However, the longer she talks, the more her genetic mutations begin to lose their holographic cover. I want to note, again, that this effect is ONLY a video-effect, insofar as it appears on camera, but not to the naked eye. It is NOT, however, intentional videofakery (as with the "wescam" black-choppers on 9-11). This anomoly of Jenna's appearance can be explained in only one way. [yvid]xu2JStDpcmY[/yvid] Bob Marley In this interview, Bob's face repeatedly assumes its true, reptilian form also, with the exact same visual effect occuring to him as we just saw displayed by Jenna Bush.

Again, this effect is captured on video, although this, likewise, cannot be attributed to "video-fakery," because this interview occured over two decades prior to the interview with Jenna and was captured, rather than on live video, on video-tape. The proof this "shape-shifting" is an effect visible on video ONLY is that the reactions to it by the reporter interviewing Bob in person, and those interviewing Jenna by teleconference, differ markedly.

Now, here is a more important question than "Where is the evidence?" - the question: "Who are really reptilians?" This answer will shock you even more.

Everyone rich and famous has begun to evolve into a reptilian. Why? Because they have, as I have been saying, direct exposure to the "time-travel" technology. Well, what exactly IS this "time-travel" technology? Any car or airplane can act as a timetravel machine, and thus the more you travel by vehicle, the more your genes degenerate into those of a reptilian. Now, I can very easily prove that assertion - that being that: "time-travel tech includes all modern planes, trains and automobiles."

Here is a diagram depicting the one simple mathematical fact requisite to understand "time-travel" :: [img]http://www.benpadiah.com/otherstuff/howtotimetravel.jpg[/img] If on earth, rotating from east toward west, it takes less "time" to travel from east to west than from west to east. This is "micro-cosmic" time-travel.

Therefore, the more you travel, the more your genes devolve. Then, if you are captured on video unprepared, your image will appear to "shape-shift." If you shapeshift into a "reptilian" it is because, again as I have been saying throughout this thread, because you are a "neo-Sethian," ie. a believer in the present-tense "second coming" of "Christ." This explains, consicely and accurately, why "shape-shifting" occurs to the rich and famous, how it can be recorded on video, and why certain "shape-shifters" appear "reptilian."

Now, to pose the penultimate question again: "HOW DO I KNOW ALL THIS?" and imply the Ultimate Truth: "AM I A REPTILIAN?" is a question you must ask not about yourself from anyone who brings knowledge of this topic, but instead, ask them if they themselves are reptilian shape-shifters. So... Ask Me. PEACE. - Jon [atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/bd1ffe954673.jpg[/atsimg] exterior depiction. [atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/12474c2902e0.jpg[/atsimg] full exploded diagram. [atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/40b88bd71f5d.jpg[/atsimg] chair in cabin diagram. [atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b0b68647a7ea.jpg[/atsimg] navigation system diagram. [atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f0616fb47b40.jpg[/atsimg] propulsion system diagram.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4c6bb1532d99.jpg[/atsimg] hyper-sleep chambre diagram. [atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7dbc3fa34e9f.jpg[/atsimg] braking system diagram. [atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f53a9a43cb7b.jpg[/atsimg] systems schematic. [atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/02383ce3615e.jpg[/atsimg] systems schematic explanations. [atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f663929d2536.jpg[/atsimg] navigation system schematicm 1. [atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ef562f42a0eb.jpg[/atsimg] navigation system schematic 2. [atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/776970e97367.jpg[/atsimg] scalar-wave beam schematic & explanations. [atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ac2200f98af0.jpg[/atsimg] view of earth from cabin depiction.

Source for all photos on ATS: http://media.abovetopsecret.com/profile_gallery/benpadiah/&action=list_photos&al bum_id=12510 Source for free pdf version of all images: http://www.scribd.com/doc/7863161/UFO-Schematics Original source for images on my website: http://www.benpadiah.com/otherstuff/UFO/UFO.html Source for video on youtube of images: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygOSW9J5iIU All images in this post and accessable through these links are copyright 2006, Jonathan Barlow Gee. PEACE. - Jon brief description of each diagram: exterior depiction.

This is what the "disc-craft" would look like from the outside. There are black tinted plex-glass sections in this model, while the rest of the surface appears like a mirror.

The ship can cloak itself, however due to the convex bending of light around it, it is almost invisible while airborne even without using the cloak. full exploded diagram. showing the relationship from the side of all the systems in the "disc-craft." From upper left clockwise to lower-left:

"scalar spiral sphere coils in a gyroscope" :: the propulsion system. "control booth" :: the ship's cabin. "crystal sphere spinning with water inside a magnet" :: the navigation system. "sensory deprivation for hypersleep" :: the sleep-chambres or personal quarters. "hangar bay" :: for entering and exiting the craft. "particle accelerator" :: the braking system. chair in cabin diagram. shows the style of the seat in the cabin or control booth. A bench chair for stradling, foot-pads for where your legs fold up beneath you. The arms wrap around but also swivel aside. The spine and headrest of the chair are pliable mesh to confrom. navigation system diagram. showing the "crystal sphere" (or geode) suspended in fluid inside a metal orb. The metal orb conducts electro-magnetic charge, and travels around the circular (torus) tube beneath the cabin or control-booth of the "disc craft." The tube is a megnetised seloid coil, and by moving the charge in the tube to one side or another, the magnetic orb will move to that location in the tube, and thus shift the "centre of gravity" of the disc craft. The geode acts as a data-storage computer also, containing inside it all the maps from one location to the next of all the places the "disc craft" has travelled to. I do not fully understand the way this computing sytstem is accessed by the ship. propulsion system diagram. showing the "scalar spiral coils in a gyroscope" each tachyon-thruster for the ship contains at the core of a magnetised gyroscope a single piece of amber. The method of function for how the electrical input signal from the ship enters the gyroscope uses EM-fields projected by the selonoid surrounding it. hyper-sleep chambre diagram.

The mask worn by the sleeper inside the suspension of "nano-organic amneonic fluid" inside the soft-tissue sac records and retransmits the sleeper's dreams, sending them via the main computer into the "reflexive skin" of the sac itself. The top "doorway" is wet, translucent soft-tissue. braking system diagram.

The "particle accelarator" comprises the outer-most ring of the "disc craft's" hull. It is comprised of fiber-optic cables that can allow electricity to be sped up to the speed of light. This serves as the "brakes" for the "disc craft" by determining the velocity travelled by the exterior of the ship itself. systems schematic. here we see a colour-coded above-view of the "disc craft." The "living quarters" are in green, the propulsion system in red and the brakes in blue. systems schematic explanations.

You'd need to read this all for yourself, but I can transcribe it on request. navigation system schematic 1. shows the method the "geode" computer system functions. The "geode" is depicted as the yin-yang in blue and red, rotating clockwise as it revolves around the tube counter-clockwise, and vice-versa. This is controled by the electrical charge of the water inside the orb around the geode, and this field surrounds the "yin-yang" symbols, showing a "N" and "S" magnetic pole for the field. The inner- and outerrings of symbols are derived from SL MacGregor Mathers' "Concourse of the Forces"

diagram from Israel Regardie's book "the Golden Dawn," where the red and blue triangles symbolise the 4 elements, labeled in green as "F," for "fixed," "M" for "mobile" and "C" for "cadent." The symbols outside the outer-ring depicted in black show the alchemical symbols for salt, sulphur and mercury. These comprise the navigation system: if you want the craft to move forward, roll the orb around to the co-ordinate on the tube in the direction you want to go. navigation system schematic 2. again, we see here the navigation system, but here we see it displayed not as one cirlce, but as a left side and a right side, straightened out to form hollow vertical columns. Here we see inside the geode-orb the same "S" (south) and "N" (north) magnetic poles rotate the geode inside the orb as the opposite pole (- for negative or + for positive) on that section of the selonoid tube enclosing the magnetic orb. Here we see the zodiac months are added for further labels of the co-ordinates given in the last diagram from Mathers' "Concourse" model. scalar-wave beam schematic & explanations. again, I can transcribe the labels if requested, but this diagram shows 9 different types of energy-beams that this type of "disc craft" can emit. Depending on the frequency and wavelengths of these scalar beams, they take on different properties and yield different effects for the ship, its pilots and those outside and neraby it. view of earth from cabin depiction. just a picture from the cabin chair's point of view, showing the "heads up" display screens projected on the interior black-tinted plex-glass surface of the cabin's dome.

PEACE! - Jon :: I own and have read the following books about Atlantis and peripheral topics :: Rudgley, Richard: "the Lost Civilizations of the Stone Age." 1999; the Free Press, Simon & Schuster; NY, NY. ISBN: 0-684-85580-1 Cotterell, Arthur (ed.): "the Penguin Encyclopedia of Ancient Civilizations." 1980; Penguin Books; NY, NY. ISBN: 0-14-011434-3 Plato: "Timaeus and Critias." 1965; Penguin Classics; NY, NY. ISBN: 0-14-044261-8 Roux, Georges: "Ancient Iraq." 1964; Penguin Books; NY, NY. ISBN: 0-14-012523-X Hancock, Graham: "Fingerprints of the Gods." 1995; Three Rivers Press; NY, NY. ISBN: 0-517-88729-0 Kramer, Samuel Noah: "the Sumerians." 1963; Chcago University Press; Chicago, IL. ISBN: 0-226-45238-7 Hapgood, Charles: "Path of the Pole." 1958; Adventures Unlimited Press; Kempton, IL. ISBN: 0-932813-71-2 Knight, Christopher & Lomas, Robert: "Uriel's Machine." 1999; Fair Winds Press, Simon & Schuster; NY, NY. ISBN: 1-931412-74-X Childress, David Hatcher: "Technology of the Gods." 2000; Adventures Unlimited Press;

Kempton, IL. ISBN: 0-932813-73-9 Geryl, Patrick & Ratinckx, Gino: "the Orion Prophecy." 2001; Adventures Unlimited; Kempton, IL. ISBN: 0-932813-91-7 Andrews, Shirley: "Atlantis - Insights form a Lost Civilization." 1997; Llewellyn; St. Paul, MN. ISBN: 1-56718-023-X Churchward, James: "the Lost Continent of Mu." 1931; Paperback Library; NY, NY. ISBN: 610-54616-075 Earl, Tony: "Mu Revealed." 1970; Paperback Library; NY, NY. ISBN: ???

Churchward, James: "the Cosmic Forces of Mu." 1934; Paperback Library; NY, NY. ISBN: 610-54678-075 Churchward, James: "the Second Book of the Cosmic Forces of Mu." 1933; Paperback Library; NY, NY. ISBN: 610-54754-075 Churchward, James: "the Sacred Symbols of Mu." 1933; Paperback Library; NY, NY. ISBN: 610-54663-075 Churchward, James: "the Children of Mu." 1931; Paperback Library; NY, NY. ISBN: 610-54639-075 de Camp, L. Sprague: "Lost Continents - the Atlantis Theme..." 1954; Dover; NY, NY. ISBN: 0-486-22668-9 Dundes, Alan (ed.): "the Flood Myth." 1988; UCLA; Berkley, CA. ISBN: 0-520-05973-5 de Santillana, Giorgio & von Dechend, Hertha: "Hamlet's Mill." 1969; Godine; Jaffrey, NH. ISBN: 0-87923-215-3 Gardner, Laurence: "Genesis of the Grail Kings." 2001; MA. ISBN: 1-931412-93-6

Fair Winds Press; Gloucester,

Hancock, Graham: "Underworld." 2002; Three Rivers Press; NY, NY. ISBN: 1-4000-49512 Wilson, Colin & Flem-Ath, Rand: "the Atlantis Blueprint." 2000; Delacorte Press, Random House; NY, NY. ISBN: 038533479-6 Sagan, Carl: "the Dragons of Eden." 1977; Ballantine, Random House; NY, NY. ISBN: 0345-26031-7 Cayce, Edgar (Richards & Schwartzer: ed.s): "Mysteries of Atlantis Revisited." 1968; St. Martins Press; NY, NY. ISBN: 0-312-96153-7 Cayce, Edgar (Cayce, Hugh Lynn: ed.): "Edgar Cayce on Atlantis." 1968; Warner Books; NY, NY. ISBN: 0-446-35102-4 Berlitz, Charles: "Atlantis - the eighth continent." 1984; Fawcett Crest, Ballantine, Random House; NY, NY. ISBN: 0-449-20742-0

Donnelly, Ignatius: "Atlantis - the Antedeluvian World." 1971; Rudolf Steiner Pub; Blauvelt, NY. LCCC: 72-159503 Sitchin, Zecharia: "When Time Began." 1993; Avon, Harper Collins; NY, NY. ISBN: 0380-77071-7 Heyerdahl, Thor: "Kon-Tiki." 1950; Simon & Schuster, Rand McNally; Chicago, IL. ISBN: 0-671-72652-8 Velikovsky, Immanuel: "Earth in Upheaval." 1955; Pocketbooks, DoubleDay, Simon & Schuster; NY, NY. ISBN: 0-671-45282-7 Velikovsky, Immanuel: "Worlds in Collision." 1950; Pocketbooks, DoubleDay, Simon & Schuster; NY, NY. ISBN: 0-671-45666-0 DOnnelly, Ignatius: "the Destruction of Atlantis - Ragnarok." 1971; Rudolf Steiner Pub; Blauvelt, NY. LCCC: 75-175055 Collins, Andrew: "Gateway to Atlantis." 2000; Carroll & Graf Pub; NY, NY. ISBN: 0-78670810-7 Leakey, Richard E.: "People of the Lake." 1978; Anchor Press, DoubleDay; NY, NY. ISBN: 0-385-13025-2 Heyerdahl, Thor: "Fatu-Hiva." 1974; Doubleday; Garden City, NY. ISBN: ?

Heyerdahl, Thor: "the Maldive Mystery." 1986; Adler & Adler, Bethesda, MD. ISBN: 0917561-19-8 Leakey, Richard E.: "Origins." 1977; Rainbird Pub; London, GB. ISBN: 0-525-47572-9 Reader's Digest Association (ed.): "the Last Two Million Years." 1973; Reder's Digest; USA. ISBN: ?

Roaf, Michael: "Mesopatamia & the Near East - Cultural Atlas." 1966; Andromeda Books; Oxfordshire, GB. ISBN: 0-8160-2218-6 Please enjoy and research these resources. PEACE. - Jon Anyone up for a discussion of this book?? [quote][i]Originally posted by Lilitu[/i] http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/ http://www.amazon.com/Caesars-Messiah-Roman-ConspiracyInvent/dp/1569754578/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-71880258619003?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205433904&sr=1-1 [quote] Caesar's Messiah, a real life Da Vinci Code, presents the dramatic and controversial discovery that the conventional views of Christian origins may be wrong. Author Joseph Atwill makes the case that the Christian Gospels were actually written under the direction of first-century Roman emperors. The purpose of these texts was to establish a peaceful Jewish sect to counterbalance the militaristic Jewish forces that

had just been defeated by the Roman Emperor Titus in 70 A.D. Atwill uncovered the secret key to this story in the writings of Josephus, the famed first-century Roman historian. Reading Josephus's chronicle, The War of the Jews, the author found detail after detail that closely paralleled events recounted in the Gospels.

Atwill skillfully demonstrates that the emperors used the Gospels to spark a new religious movement that would aid them in maintaining power and order. What's more, by including hidden literary clues, they took the story of the Emperor Titus's glorious military victory, as recounted by Josephus, and embedded that story in the Gospels - a sly and satirical way of glorifying the emperors through the ages.[/quote][/quote] - source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread340111/pg1#pid4112229 * * didn't want to bump a two year old thread for one quote * I found a free ebook version of the book on scribd: http://www.scribd.com/doc/28694633/Caesar-s-Messiah-The-Roman-Conspiracy-toInvent-Jesus-www-caesarsmessiah I have read this and will happily give this book as my highest recommendation for research on this topic.

PEACE! - Jon Firstly, I reserve the right to answer ONLY those questions I consider relevant. I will not answer any questions from "MrMask," "mckyle" or "Maybe...maybe not" because I choose not to. As far as I am concerned they do not exist.

Now, that being said, I LOVE questions, so if I accidentally step on anyone's toes here by answering one that was asked not of me, but to someone else, I apologise in advance for providing an answer. I will try to answer all the questions in this thread I consider relevant. I've been asleep, so it might take a couple posts for me to catch up. Here goes: [quote][i]Originally posted by savvys84[/i] Are you entirely human?[/quote] I would hope so. There's alot of ways to look at that, though: if you subscribe to the belief in alien genetic manipulation, either ancient in our species or on-going, it could be argued none of us are "entirely human." I think I am, but you could still disagree, and it's not in ability to change your mind. I do have a small lump in my right fore-arm that my doc said was a benign tumor, but could be an "alien implant."

I doubt that's what it is. But I'm always open to new ideas. [quote][i]Originally posted by savvys84[/i] Are you in communication with people from neuschwabenland?[/quote] No. But I am looking forward very much to the upcoming movie "Iron Sky." Have you heard about that? Here's a link to a trailer for it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KEueJnsu80 I think it looks really good.

[quote][i]Originally posted by savvys84[/i] Have you physically been in a real ufo?[/quote] Not that I am aware of. I was about three years old in 1980, and I have few memories from the time. I saw "Empire Strikes Back" in the theatre, I know that. I think I saw Pink Floyd's "The Wall" then too, but I can't be sure now. In any event, my first drawing ever was a water colour of "the Lone Ranger's Ghost." It depicted the masked cowboy with a river for the lower torso and was on both front and back of a sheet of paper. The second thing I ever drew was a complete mini-sized comic book, folded paper, stapled, talk bubbles and colour. I was three. I didn't even talk out loud until I was four. But then I spoke in complete sentences. The comic book was called "the alien and the blackberry juice," and it depicted a grey alien. [quote][i]Originally posted by savvys84[/i] If yes, what means did you use to communicate with the alien beings?[/quote] well, as I say I have no substantial memories of ever having seen a real alien, or having ever seen a real "flying saucer." However, from the literature I've read, the aliens generally communicate telepathically. I have practised methods to hone my own telepathic capacity throughout my life as well. I consider myself a telepath, but I cannot yet see through every lie. However, so far as I have yet tracked down, I am not currently in communication with any "off-world" sources. The intellects I've found have all been on earth, but I do believe our ideals and emotions emanate through us from outside even our local universe, let alone beyond earth. My understanding of telepathy, which begins by quieting the ego's interior narration, ends with emotions as the sides or planes, thoughts as the edges or lines, and ideas as the nodes or points, on solid shapes that invisibly pass through our physical dimensions, but which are actually only shapes themselves in 4-space, the physical dimension of time. I call these shapes "metaforms." [quote][i]Originally posted by savvys84[/i] Can you describe the aliens acuurately?[/quote] Well, now, as I say, I've never so far as I know seen anything I would believe to be an EBE, so I really can't tell you from personal experience. I know they are supposedly thin and pale with big round heads and big dark eyes. They range in height between the very small (one or two inches) and the "giants" (twelve or more feet tall). Their crafts, as I've designed them, at least, appear to be able to change size themselves, and become either very big or very small, and that is why I did not include measurements of "dimensions" on the schematics. [quote][i]Originally posted by savvys84[/i] where are they from?[/quote] The "greys" are considered, among popular culture, to be from Zeta Reticuli in the southern hemisphere and tropically visible constellation originally called "Rhombus," but renamed in the 1800's after a telescope eye-piece. In my personal opinion this belief is as absurd as (and probably connected in origin with) Joseph Smith's early 19th century concepts of YHVH living on a planet near a distance starsystem called Kolob. The idea of EBEs existing on other "planets" outside our solarsystem may be the ancient "secret" behind modern religions who publically demonised their own, originally Sumerian, mythologies about them, but the whole idea of EBEs (as opposed to non-physical angels) coming from other "earth-like"

planets beyond our own solar system was not a popular concept until the beginning of the 20th century, just before the invention of man-made flying planes. The angels always said they came from God, whose throne sat "beyond the 7th Heaven." Modern religions will be quick to welcome disclosure, I believe, if it validated their own beliefs. However, in truth, nobody can say if the "God" of the Bible was a living alien, or only an allegory for some force greater than or beyond our own universe. [quote][i]Originally posted by FTL_Navigator[/i] You scientific background is in what field?[/quote] Not that this question was put to me, but for the record, I'll offer my own.

I took one, advanced-level class on quantum mechanics at a state university. I didn't take it for a grade, or as part of my major. I took it out of curiosity. I had taken astronomy courses at local and state level, and at that time (in 1999 and 2000) there had been some amazing breakthroughs in the field of astro-physics. So I took the quantum mechanics class hoping to find out more about the constituent components of the cosmos. I learned I suck at the complex equations they use for a language in that field, but that I could VERY easily visualise in my mind the exact shapes, relationships, and changes to these that the equations were describing. I ended up devoting two or three years after that to buying and reading every book in the physics section of the local bookstores I could partially understand. I've read two book-shelves worth of the greatest modern minds in the fields of cosmology, ontology, and motion. I don't have a degree allowing me to get any job in some specilaised field of laboratory science, but I probably comprehend the basics alot more thoroughly than any minor technician would ever need to. I do have my shortcomings in these fields of study though. I've never read Newton (I started with Hawking and Penrose), and I've never memorised the "periodic" table (I prefer the "Leadbeter / Besant" model). Nevertheless, some things that seem elementary to me persistantly shock and offend the minds of professors, laboratory techs, and statisticians all over the internet. I've been banned from "physicsforums.com" for proposing tachyons were the particle of gravity, and from "philosophyforums.com" for challenging Einstein's "constant" light-speed. I've made alot of enemies, and had some pretty intelligent people tell me in the crudest and rudest of their whole vast vocabularies to leave them alone. But in the end, if you ain't got that piece of paper saying you are what you claim, you're just another Rennaisance bum. That's me. [quote][i]Originally posted by FTL_Navigator[/i] And the last time you conferred witrh NASA and DARPA was??[/quote] I wrote to NASA's public inquiries about a video I made (also posted here on ATS in the 2012 forum) about the asteroid Apophis, on October 3rd, 2009. They didn't respond to my email, so on October 18, 2009, I sent the video as a PM on youtube to the JPL channel. On October 29, the JPL youtube channel released a video called "2012: a scientific reality check" interviewing a "near-earth objects" expert about the Mayan calendar, but mentioning nothing nothing about asteroids. So I wrote my concerns in the comments to that section, and finally received a direct reply on November 12, 2009 around midnight. Here's NASA/JPL's video, "2012: a scientific reality check" on yotuube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_T7FTIFyAA Here's my thread about my findings I wanted to share with NASA on ATS: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread557672/pg1 [quote][i]Originally posted by JACKRADAKILL[/i] Have you built a working prototype to test these propulsion systems?[/quote]

Not the propulsion system no. I am still at a very early stage in building models, because I have no training in electrical engineering. I built a small model using a cannibalised portable CD-player and some magnets that produced some promising results, but I haven't run any electrical charge through it to see what it would do.

The basic premise of that design is to take a piece of poster-board paper, glue magnets on the bottom, then take the portable CD player (removing the lid), and glue opposite or upside-down magnets onto the top of it. Then poke a pin through the poster-paper, place that into the portable CD-player's spindle, and see if the mechanism will rotate on its own. It's hard to get the magnets to not sink the weight of the paper down, so the model I made uses foam-core paper instead, but does yield a slight rotation. As I say though, I have not run any electrical charge through the magnets to test the effect yet. This model would test the "navigation" or "drive" system only though, and I have not yet worked on modeling the propulsion system using amber inside a copper gyroscope under heavy magnetic field from a selonoid. [quote][i]Originally posted by JACKRADAKILL[/i] Have you had qualified engineer's check these drawings over?[/quote] No. I am showing these to people directly for the first time in this thread. Hopefully, a "qualified engineer" will stumble along eventually and find these diagrams interesting. Maybe they'll say something, and start a discussion with me, or maybe they'll just take the ideas and make their own. Either way is fine by me. [quote][i]Originally posted by JACKRADAKILL[/i] Do you really understand how a particle accelerator works from start to finish? [/quote] No. Not modern ones at least. I understand the concepts. But I can't predict anymore than anyone else alive right now what type of collision will yield the desired result to prove or disprove any anti-matter particle, like, say, the Higg's boson. That seems like a wrong course of applied science to me. Not unlike, for that matter, putting plutonium into inter-planetary probes so that, when they crash into their destination, they will trigger a nuclear explosion. Then again, I'm not the one pressing the buttons at CERN's LHC, so I can't say that, even if I did know all the in's and out's of anti-matter, I would ever have dreamt up needing or using a particle accelerator to make some. [quote][i]Originally posted by JACKRADAKILL[/i] are you actually claiming that this is a theoretically operational device?[/quote] I am claiming these sketches on paper are a good start toward making a "theoretically operational device." In themselves, they're just sketches. Now I could fold them up into a paper airplane, and prove the thing can fly even at this stage. But that wouldn't prove it is a "theoretically operational device." You would have to build one to test it. [quote][i]Originally posted by JACKRADAKILL[/i] What might I ask is the reason for sharing these pictures?[/quote] I am trying to generate some discussion about them. I made them years ago, and haven't thought much about them since, but then recently, when I joined the ATS forum because people were on here talking about one of my books, I discovered this might be an appropriate forum to post these pics on, where people who could

appreciate them could discuss them with one another and with me. [quote][i]Originally posted by JACKRADAKILL[/i] Do you plan on building this device?[/quote] Not myself, at least no time in any foreseeable future. That's another reason I wanted to share these diagrams here and now, was to find out if anyone on these forums might be interested in working on models with these schematics in mind. The more the merrier, in my opinion. I'm not pro-communism; I'm pro-progress. If work can be done on these by people other than me, I think that would be a good thing. I, myself, though, do not prioritise making one of these for myself with my own bare hands. [quote][i]Originally posted by Derised Emanresu[/i] if we spin matter at the spin of light we can spin as fast as light? Or travel FTL?[/quote] Yes, we can create a vessel that can travel faster than photons in a perfect vaccum.

But so far as I am aware of, no device exists that can quantum-jump biological cellular structures instantaneously between two distant points in space. In other words, you can make a ship out of fiber-optics, beam photons through it until they become tachyons, and then travel inside this ship faster than the speed of photons in vaccuo. However, and again, this is only to my own immediate knowledge and ability to scientifically prove, no such technological device as a "star-gate" exists to instantaneously "beam" biological organisms. Now, the point of travelling faster than light inside a vessel is one thing, and the point of "beaming" biological tissue another. You can "beam" a ship instantaneously, and be inside the ship while that happens, but you still need a ship, not just a doorway. A "star-gate" like device could be floated anywhere in deep space and used to trigger a "stable" wormhole, and then all of these be connected into an inter-galactic teleportation system. But then, the moon might actually be made out of swiss cheese for all I could ever prove to a statistician. [quote][i]Originally posted by ShadowArcher[/i] And I still do not fully understand the purpose of posting them.[/quote] These aren't weapons. This is a design for a new kind of space travelling vehicle. It runs off mental energy, and can travel faster than light. I designed it myself. Now, you are saying, if you designed this, and it ended up working, that you would be happier never knowing that, that you would keep it secret, keep it safe and never tell anyone. Let me rephrase that. What if you were a Jewish clerk living in early NAZI Germany, and you had figured out some important math equation, but were about to be killed for being Jewish, and then the USA came along and said, we will help you get out of Germany if you let us use your equation to make a bomb that will eventually destroy a bunch of people in Japan? What would you do? [quote][i]Originally posted by Unity_99[/i] Do you believe this kind of system is what has been used in black op projects, that it can bend space and time[/quote] No, I do not believe this device has ever been used by a human to achieve human goals. This device, as I've designed it, can bend space and time, but it is also lightyears ahead and much simpler than the "reverse-engineered," man-made planes coming from the Lockheed-Martin "skunk" works. If this device as it's designs are

presented here is alien in origin, it would have been used by aliens for the goals of aliens, but I do not believe any human has ever made one of these, exactly like this.

All of the NAZI and early USAF "disc crafts" were VERY different from this. Since then, "skunk works" has gone more towards the triangular "flying wing" design, and moved away from a circular shape. This design of mine incoporates the triangular propulsion system into the circular "disc-craft" design to accomodate sleeping quarters. My designs cannot be militarised. They are just my idea for a "hover-car." [quote][i]Originally posted by Unity_99[/i] is there any way that it could be developed outside of extensive facilities?[/quote] Probably not. Some of the materials (magnetic ores and quartz geodes) are natural, and require little effort to extract. Others (fiber-optic and plex-glass) require processing, while some (amber) are not necessarily present in other places in the cosmos. Although the principles for how this works are simple, the simple bottomline is that it could not be repaired if crashed, and would still leave any way-ward occupants stranded on any undeveloped planet. I believe the agrarian revolution occured on earth because some cave-people discovered a wrecked "disc-craft" of similar design to this. [quote][i]Originally posted by Unity_99[/i] its the propulsion system of a craft, but basically would this not be zero point energy as well?[/quote] Think of the hull of this craft like a doughnut. Now think of the resistance to this crafts forward motion as like a glass of milk. Pour the glass of milk onto the top of the doughnut. That represents the craft in motion. Now some of the milk will pour over the outer edge of the doughnut. But some of the milk will drain through the hole in the middle of the doughnut too, and this milk will do so more slowly. Now imagine if you could put some kind of fan, like a ceiling fan, into the middle of this "doughnut hole" and drain the milk out faster. That is, in basic terms, how the "propulsion system" works here: the resistance to the craft of the quantum-foam of sub-space background radiation (ie. ZPE) is minimised by the gyroscopes pulling it in on one side of the craft and pushing it out on the other. [quote][i]Originally posted by Estharik[/i] I can dream you up a time machine real fast and we can compare notes aye? Let me break out my color pencils.. [/quote] Yeah that sounds cool. I look forward to hearing more from you in the future.

Hopefully then we'll be able to communicate on the same level.

PEACE to all who have answered here honestly.

- Jon [quote][i]Originally posted by SkepticOverlord[/i] [b]AboveTopSecret.com is a professional "COINTELPRO" operation using secret blackoperations funding to publish and promote disinformation as part of the U.S. Government's agenda to deflect and discredit conspiracy theorists.[/b][/quote] Well, there's a big difference between being a democratic forum allowing all free speech and being a totally owned and operated lie-factory.

I don't believe the admins of this board are being paid by any shadowy, nefarious

investors with the intention of bribing them to supply us (their audience) with lies.

I do know, however, there are a preponderance of "trolls" on this forum nowadays, many of whom are being covertly defended in their "flaming" of "noobs" by the forum mods who choose to side with them, or who are afraid of their influence, and who take a liberal interpretaton of the T&S agreement to abuse their authority to censor and threaten to ban newer members, even if their posts are made on topic and in good faith.

Let's remember that two criminals who act together are only "accomplices," but that as soon as a third becomes involved, it becomes a "conspiracy." I've been doggedly trolled by three forum posters (I'll omit their screen-names for fear of my account, but I feel sure they'll reveal themselves presently), and harassed on their behalf by no more than three moderators (I'm definitely not mentioning their screen-names).

This implies, at least to me, the presence of two separate "conspiracies" on ATS: 1) the "conspiracy" among "trolls" to "triangulate" their "flaming" and (again, using "delphi strategy") provoke their victim until their victim blames themselves, admits defeat and either leaves or is allowed to stay on condition of becoming one of the "troll's" fans. This is the equivalent of the violent blood-letting ceremonies of gang "quoting," used in frats like S&B and cults like Jonestown. The idea is to take turns sarcastically complimenting and crudely insulting anything the poster reveals about themselves. They do this and call it, among themselves, "denying ignorance." (I'll return to this motif in a moment.)

2) the "conspiracy" among "mods" to "look the other way" and to "wash their hands" both before, during and after troll attacks on new members. For this to be a legitimate "conspiracy," per se, by definition, it would require the mods to have discussed and agreed on this strategy with one another before having implimented it in any case. The "mods" on a forum are the same in that form of "community" as are police in cities. Whenever they allow "trolls" to use ad hominem, and censor the defenses of these trolls' targets, they are engaging in the same form of crime IA of a PD would consider "racketeering." In this case, cops or mods cease to be civilservants and become an organised, criminal "protection racket."

"DENY IGNORANCE" :: What Does This Mean? [quote]This forum is dedicated to research and speculation on organized disinformation and deflection efforts by governments, covert agencies, and organizations. Discussion topics and follow-up responses in this forum will likely tend to lean in favor of conspiracies, scandals, and cover-ups. Members who would seek to refute such theories should be mindful of AboveTopSecret.com\'s tradition of focusing on conspiracy theory, cover-ups, and scandals.[/quote] Now, I've been called a "fraud" by trolls on this forum for sharing my own original ideas, and I've been accused of "hawking my wares" by mods on this forum for posting links to books I've written which are free. I am not a corporation claiming "personhood." I am not a spam-bot. I am a human being, attempting to communicate my own internal ideas in fair and legal ways. I have been brutally libeled and had my name, reputation and professional standing mudded, tarred and feathered here on this public forum, probably by people half my age. And why? I was asked once, "Would you like to be interviewed by Project Camelot?" and I declined. That is my best guess as to their motive for now cyber-stalking me. They believed this "denial" for an interview was proof of my "ignorance."

However, before I do get banned for "spilling the beans" and "waking the sleeping giant" with these counter-accusations I'm making here, I would like to add my side of the argument for the record. What does "deny ignorance" mean to me? It does not extend to include as an ideal those who would use it, champion its title, to defend their own choice to not research or explore new ideas. You cannot "deny ignorance" by loudly "ignoring" new ideas, then simply "denying" that is your strategy. Currently, the only "ignorance" I would like to "deny" would be the fast, shoot-first / ask-later, loose-interpretation of the T&S agreement by the mods. I am not "advertising" or "selling" anything here. As far as the 3-part "conspiracy of trolls'" accusations of me to that effect, you assume a false motive.

To me, to "deny ignorance" means to learn and to create new ideas. And if this definition does not fit your T&S interpretation, you can come to where I live and personally try to fist fight me. Otherwise, stop abusing your extended authorities to threaten me with "warnings" then ignoring my requests for guidance and further teaching of how the T&S works. You are all acting like children, given the anonymity to abuse without consequence. I am only asking you to stop for a moment, and take a look at yourselves. I am not calling anyone a "criminal" or "troll" by name, so if that is what you see in the mirror, don't blame me.

Beware these "conspiracies of trolls," I am serious. Who knows who might be paying them to be here and to say the things they say? All I know is their strategy: "blame the victim of their own worst crimes," has revealed quite alot about them. They belong to a "cult" (probalby OTO) and are "recruiting" new-members from this forum to "advertise" their idealogy. If they read those words, they will accuse me of being guilty of them, and deny they are themselves. Then you will know who they are.

PEACE. - Jon some mods of ATS.com forums are using sock-accounts to troll and flame new members. I was one, until immediately after revealing this info on the public boards; I was IP banned. If you were not aware of this, now you are. If you were, consider me no fan of yours. As an author with a published book, I will make it my mission now to expose this fraud on your forums. I hope you will not attempt to stop this process. I wanted to let you know, in case you did not already. But either way, what's been done in your name against me is on you unless I hear otherwise. PEACE. - Jon http://www.theabovenetwork.com/contact.html APPENDIX 1 Legal Information(Updated May 2nd, 2007) General The Above Network, ("TAN" which includes the websites AboveTopSecret.com, BelowTopSecret.com, AbovePolitics.com, and TinWiki.org) welcomes you to our websites. These Terms of Service ("TOS") apply to web sites and interactive services owned or operated by TAN which include, but are not limited to, AboveTopSecret.com, BelowTopSecret.com, AbovePolitics.com, and TinWiki.com. The TOS applies to unregistered users, registered users, and all other users submitting content of any type (individually "User" and collectively, "Users"). Certain additional terms apply to registered members of the websites and are identified in the Terms and Conditions of

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