Discourse 20

DISCOURSE THE BEST 4x4CLUBMAGxFAR

THE MAGAZINE OF THE DISCOVERY OWNERS CLUB

Number 20 May / June 2005

WorcsDoc Worcs Doc Donate Donate Paying a visit to the County Air Ambulance

Sunken Treasure The TD5 saved from a watery grave, and the scrap man!

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Discourse 20 - Page 1 Photograph Courtesy of James Wood

Complimentary Show Tickets

The Small Print For the purposes of this notice, ‘Discovery Owners Club’ and ‘Club’ are interchangeable and assumed to mean the same thing.

Discourse Articles The Club reserves the right to edit or refuse articles received from members. Views expressed by members contributing to this magazine are those of that member and may not necessarily be those of the Club. Every effort is made to verify the contents of member’s articles, but the Club can not accept responsibility for the veracity of its content.

Caveat Emptor Every effort is made to ensure advertisements are bona fide. The Club can not accept responsibility for the quality of goods or services advertised. The moral is “buyer beware”.

Public Liability Insurance The Club has Public Liability Insurance for registered Club events of a non-competitive nature. Cover is provided for full Club members, their spouse or partner and children residing at the same address.

Family members as defined in the Club rules travelling in a separate vehicle are also covered. Road traffic accident risks are not covered by the Club’s Public Liability Insurance. It is the responsibility of the member to ensure that they have proper and legal Insurance cover for themselves and the vehicle from leaving home until returning home.

Club Events Activities in particular but not excluding off-roading and green-laning are undertaken solely at the participants’ own risk. Vehicles should be suitably insured and prepared for the undertaken activity.

Participation in any Club organised event is on the understanding and acceptance that safety is the responsibility of the participant.

From time to time, the Club receives complimentary tickets to shows the club is attending. The Club’s policy is to make these tickets available to those members willing to help on the Club stand during the event. If you are willing to help at the event on the Club stand and / or allow your vehicle to be displayed, please contact the Club’s event organiser (listed in What’s On) whose decision on the distribution of those tickets shall be final. Surplus tickets shall either be destroyed or returned to the event organisers.

Data Protection The Club recognises its responsibilities under the 1998 Data Protection Act. The Membership Secretary is the Club’s Data Controller. The membership database of current and past members shall be for the Club’s exclusive use and shall not be made available to any third party. Elected Officers of the Club may have access to member information having shown good reason. Ordinary members may request contact information of another member. This shall only be through a Committee member who will contact the member to first ask permission.

Committee Meetings Under the rules of the club, members may attend, but not participate at committee meetings. If you plan to come along, please let the Club Secretary know in advance.

Articles for Discourse When submitting articles for inclusion in Discourse, please save the document as a text file without embedded images. Images should be separate and sent either as photographs or digital images in .jpg format on CD. All files should be sent to the Club’s Editor for selection. They should only be sent to the Publisher directly by prior arrangement. Photographs will not be returned unless requested.

Contents

Green Lanes All ‘green lanes’ are highways as defined by the Highways Act 1980. Green laning events require the same level of insurance, road tax, MOT and driver’s licence as normal roads.

Association of Rover Clubs The Club is a non-competitive member of the Association of Rover Clubs (ARC), an organisation bringing together all member Land Rover clubs for organising events (both competitive and non-competitive) and providing many essential services to member clubs. The Club’s ARC Representative is Alan Smart.

GLASS The Discovery Owners Club supports GLASS (Green Lane Association). GLASS is a national rights of way user group representing the interests of motor car users on unsurfaced minor highways or ‘green lanes’ in England and Wales. GLASS promotes responsible off-roading and the Club endorses this.

Club Web Sites & DOC Forum www.discoveryownersclub.com and www.discoveryownersclub.org are the Club’s website addresses. www.doc-forum.co.uk is our forum address. For instant access, all you need is a valid membership number to register on site. Once registered, you can log on anywhere in the world to catch up with your favourite club, post replies and help fellow Discovery Owners.

Subjects range from Caravanning to Humour. There’s optional email notification for individual postings, entire topics or forums.

Back Issues Two ways for members to obtain Discourse back issues: Printed copies at £2.50 ea together with a self addressed A4 envelope stamped at 41 pence, or CD-ROM at £5.00 including postage (this would have all back issues).

Cheques should be made payable to ‘Discovery Owners Club’ and sent with your order to the Membership Secretary.

Advertising in Discourse Advertising space will be available in future issues of Discourse. Advertisements can be whole page, half page and quarter page in either black and white or full colour.

Suppliers and dealers wishing to advertise in Discourse should contact Alan Smart for a Rate Card and details of space available.

Small Ads for DOC Members

REGULARS Land Rover News Member’s Letters Club News The Glove Box Puzzle Page Merchandise Events Calendar Local Section Meets

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THIS ISSUE Letter from the Chairman Green Lane Code of Conduct Leaky Gutters Reversing Sensor Precious Metal 300 Series Rear Light Upgrade Events Update When Discovery’s Go Bad Gaydon Report “My First” Heritage Run

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This issue of Discourse has been published using Adobe InDesign CS for Windows.

Members can place small ads for Discovery stuff in Discourse for free.

However, if you have a cottage to let or anything else that would bring in some income, then you’ll also be able to advertise in the small ads section but will be expected to make a contribution to the production costs of Discourse.

© Copyright 2005. The design and layout, use of typestyles, and source files created in the production of this publication are the copyright of the Discovery Owners Club. Special artwork, photographs and images used in this publication are copyright of the originator. No element of it may be copied in full or part in any form without the express written permission to do so.

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Committee & Representatives

Executive Committee PETER GREENWAY

PAUL WALKER

Chairman

Vice Chairman. North Worcs. LSR.

68 Bosworth Road, South Yardley, Birmingham B26 1EX

17 Ditchford Close, Hunt End, Redditch, B97 5XT

Tel: 0121 680 6093

Email: vicechair@discoveryownersclub.org

Mobile: 07956 825 867

Tel: 07939 411 995

Email: chairman@discoveryownersclub.org ALAN SMART Secretary, Archivist, Wessex LSR. The Bales, Cow Lane, Kimpton, Androver, Hampshire. SP11 8NY Tel: 01264 772851

Fax: 01264 773300

John Francis Treasurer 8 Cottage Fields, Eaves Green, Chorley, Lancashire. PR7 3QE Tel: 01257 270079, Mobile: 07766 168869 Email: treasurer@discoveryownersclub.org

Email: secretary@discoveryownersclub.org LEE JONES Membership Secretary, South Staffs. LSR. 73 Tottenham Crescent, Kingstanding, Birmingham. B44 0ST Tel: 0121 603 3632

Mobile: 07759 299 031

Email: memsec@discoveryownersclub.org

Management Committee Horness Spencer Discourse Editor 16 Bishopstone Close, Redditch, B98 0AT Tel: 07795 442580 Email: editor@discoveryownersclub.org

Stefan Tapp Publicity & Press Officer Email: @discoveryownersclub.org

Jon Hunt Merchandising Officer 236a Bromwich Road, St Johns, Worcester WR2 4BE Tel.: 07971 219583 Email: clubshop@discoveryownersclub.org

Malcolm Bourne Events Co-ordinator Tel: 07746 028833 Email: events@discoveryownersclub.org

Sean Butler-Lee Internet Officer http://www.discoveryownersclub.org Email: internet@discoveryownersclub.org

Committee Corner Alan Smart, Club Secretary The Committee now meets every other month. For the Club to be successful, it has to grow its membership and raise its profile. It was agreed that we need to concentrate on encouraging support at local section level by ensuring there are local events for members to attend. We will still support the national shows where we can recruit but unless there are things for members to do in their locality, they will not renew. We also need to make sure those who are on the Club stand at shows are actively marketing the benefits of membership of the Club and maybe we need to provide some sort of training at the event. With the current level of income, the Club is technically running at a loss and, as such, the Committee agreed it would be imprudent to incorporate the Club into a limited company until trading improves. As part of the recruitment drive for 2005 there will be new merchandising, a new Club flyer and more events although the idea of a Club national event has been shelved, as the numbers did not add up. We also need to get more column inches in the press and get our web site sorted out (long story). The Club shop will have new accounting procedures for next year to ensure that it’s easier to reconcile the monies taken at events. We are also looking at accepting credit card payments on-line but not at shows. The Committee again reviewed its expense policy. Many of the Committee members have stood for some period of time and it was felt that they should not suffer personal hardship whilst carrying out their duties on behalf of the Club. It was agreed that Committee members could, if they so wish, claim a flat travelling expense of 14p per mile for attending Committee meeting. Some of them have to complete a 200+ mile round trip each time.

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Letter from the Chairman

Chairman Peter Greenway 68 Bosworth Road, South Yardley, Birmingham B26 1EX Tel: 0121 680 6093 Mobile: 07956 825 867 Email: chairman@discoveryownersclub.org

Hello and welcome to Discourse 20 and my first letter as Chairman.

It was a great honour to be voted into the position of Chairman at the AGM and I will work really hard to make the Discovery Owners Club not only the biggest single marque club on the Land Rover scene, but also the friendliest club for all members. What we as members all need to realise is that we all have a say in our club we all have a chance to help Mine and the Committees job a lot easier in the promotion of the club to Discovery owners. Included in this issue you will find some single sided promotion flyers we urge you all to find a Discovery owner that is not a member and put this flyer under there windscreen wiper, tell anyone you know who owns a Discovery that this club can and will save you money in your first year of Membership.

I think you will all agree with me when I say a big Thank You to our Discourse editorial team who produce probably the best club magazine of any club, the quality is second to none. They do a wonderful job but of late there job has become increasingly harder, the Editor has taken on more work and has been promoted which will cut his time on Discourse down even more, the problem they have is the lack of articles from you the members only just over 3% of the membership contribute an article please remember this is your club and we need your help to keep Discourse at the quality you all deserve. Any article no matter how small or large will enable the discourse team to carry on producing such a wonderful magazine PLEASE GET WRITING, all committee members have promised at least one article this month and more to come.

Malcolm Bourne the new Events Organiser has got a wonderful list of shows and we need help to man the club stand, there is a list in this magazine and also on the award winning Discovery Owners Club website. This could be your time to meet up with local members and find out how friendly this club is, we are running a rota system at all shows this year so all we are asking is that you spare at least one hour to meet and greet current and prospective members and after you will be able to enjoy not only the good company but the show as well.

The Discovery Owners Club can go a long way but only with your help and new members, we all need to help this club become number one. I look forward to seeing you all at the various shows and camping weekends we are trying to organise this year remember without your support many events may well collapse. Please remember the Discovery Owners Club is only as good as its members, the committee can only act so far the rest is up to all of you.

Peter Greenway (Scorpio)

Discovery Owners Club Chairman

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Land Rover News tory tours to see how the company’s extensive range of Land Rover roll cages and roof racks are designed and manufactured. All those attending will be offered significant discounts on any Safety Devices Land Rover products purchased during the two days.

Visitors will also get a chance to put their 4x4s to the test, as each ‘Landy Rollover Weekend’ pass comes with halfprice entry to the Wild-Tracks off-road centre located near Newmarket, Suffolk (see www. wildtracksltd.co.uk for more details).

500 BHP Range Rover Sport

The ‘Landy Rollover Weekend’ includes free camping facilities near to the Soham facility and a live band providing on-site entertainment on the Saturday evening.

500 BHP RANGE ROVER SPORT Development is well advanced for a new 500 bhp version of the Range Rover Sport by Overfinch. The most sporting of Land Rover’s models has been treated to an entirely new look courtesy of Overfinch. Aerodynamic bodystyling has significantly changed the appearance of the vehicle to give even more sporting intent. A new exhaust with twin oval tailpipes underlines the massive power potential.

Overfinch’s popular Tiger 22” wheels now completely fill the wheel arches. The design sketches are the first pictures of what the new model will look like.

Predicted Performance:Top Speed 156 mph 0-60 mph (100 kph) 5.9 seconds

All those interested in attending should notify Safety Devices in advance – just call 01353 724200, fax 01353 724213, or email sales@safetydevices.com.

(250 kph) (6.2 seconds)

Overfinch will start deliveries in Autumn 2005 and as with all Overfinch products the Engine, Wheels, Exhaust and Aerostyling will all be available separately.

Safety Devices “Rollover” LAND ROVER ‘ROLLOVER WEEKEND’ Safety Devices, the company behind the roll cages and roof racks used in the Camel Trophy and Land Rover G4 Challenge expedition series, has announced details of its inaugural, free-to-attend ‘Landy Rollover Weekend’ on June 25-26, featuring a packed schedule of events and a host of special offers just for Land Rover owners.

The event, which will be held in and around Safety Devices’ headquarters in Soham, Cambridgeshire, will include fac-

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Member’s Letters

Members’ Letters Allfootstompingpraisegivingpointmakingerrorfindingholediggingadvicegivinghelpwantingdifflockingoffroadinggreenlaningtarmaccruisingtrailortowingclubmemberletterwritingdiscodrivingpeoplewelcome.

I bought my Disco 2 years ago from one of my best mates.

He owns a scrap yard in Royton, Nr. Oldham and loves Discovery’s. At the time I owned a Rover 620Sli in black, the only trouble was my car had been vandalised and scratched; I was gutted.

I needed something that was a bit of a shed, and that’s when I met “Betsy”, a 3.5 V8 G-WAC. I got a good price for the Rover and went to see Phil. At the time he he had just bought an ex-water house and was restoring it. It stood him at £50,000, his wife was having a baby and he had to buy a static caravan. I kept pestering him and he did not want to sell the Disco. He told me that the previous owner was into Green Laning, and the Disco was in sound condition, she even had a CB fitted. We went for a run and I was impressed how the V8 burst into life. We went down to the M62, and Phil opened her up. She touched 100mph and was still pulling. We got back and I did the deal for £1700.

I then got interested in Land Rovers, which I just thought were big tractors, and infact, boring. My Girlfriend fell out with me after selling the Rover. As I arrived at her flat in the Disco, she burst out laughing “what the @$!# is that?”.

Okay, so she had bits of trim missing from around the windows and her headlights were a bit rusty inside, and her heater and rear windscreen wiper did not work.

My Girlfriend got in... “it’s like getting into a bloody lift where’s the step ladder?”. I felt awful.

Not long after I bought a 4 berth caravan, and another of my mates bought a Discovery TD5, plus a twin axle caravan. We both thought about going on holiday, so I got back to work on “Betsy” to tidy her body work up, buy some trim through Loot, and apply some rust treatment. The day came to hook up the caravan, and my mate and I set off for Luxemburg.

The lads in the Working Men’s Club said I must be mad, and that I would be lucky to reach Dover. I must admit, “Betsy” had done 198,000 miles since 1989, and was not the prettiest of Disco’s.

I filled up and off we went. “Betsy” pulled the caravan like it was not there. I kept at a steady 60 mph, but still needed to fill up before boarding the ferry.

Arriving in Calas, it was the first time I had driven on the left hand side, and the first time I have ever towed a caravan.

We drove as far as Belgium and after filling up again, parked up for the night in a petrol station. We both had CB radios, so we could at least talk to one another. I could not believe that the TD5 was still on it’s first tank of fuel. I checked my oil and water, and found everything was fine.

In the morning we had a good breakfast and set off. What a beautiful place going through the Ardens, and what a hill to climb. I could see the TD5 starting to struggle, and emitting black smoke, so I got on the CB and spoke to Mick.

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He got the point, and I geared down to 3rd and booted “Betsy”. She flew past Mick, and I was now in front and on the look out for signs to Metz. We had been driving for a few hours now, and fatigue was setting in. A glance at the fuel guage showed a more pressing issue. You guessed it, more fuel, and we were quite a way from the next station.

On and on we drove, with no signs of the vital fuel I needed. I now know how the Panza tanks must have felt. A voice came on the CB, it was Mick. We were now only 10 miles away from a petrol station. The guage was near the red, but was it accurate in this old girl? Four big hills later and another sign, 3 miles to the petrol station. I was now dangerously into the red, and with a sweat on. One mile left and I could feel the V8 sigh with relief as we pulled into the petrol station.

A short stop later and we set off again. Only two more exits and we turned off the autobaan. Five miles down a lovely country road, and the caravan park signs were coming up, we had arrived some 1,000 miles from Oldham.

Finding our spots and parking the caravns next to each other we spent 2 weeks and drove the Disco’s into Germany, and all over the place.

When we got home we returned to our usual Club, and one of the lads said they had a bet that we would not make it there and back without a breakdown.

16 years, 198,000 miles on the clock, and another 2,000 trouble free miles - the proof is in the pudding.

One proud owner.

Ivan (#1688) EDITORIAL UPDATE Discourse is now joint edited, thanks to Vicky Hill stepping forward to lend a hand when things were not going as planned with the old setup.

With a leanring curve that any Land Rover would need a winch to climb, Vicky got stuck in and produced 50% of the issue you are reading now [that’s the 50% without the spelling mistakes! Ed.] Vicky’s efforts, and the rush of articles submitted meant that this issue went together smoother than most, and was actually able to hit it’s target date. A very big THANK YOU to everyone who contributed. If you don’t see your article in this issue, rest assured it is in Discourse 21. KEEP WRITING! Horness Spencer [Editor]

Club News

WorcsDOC Donate As most of you will know, the Local Section that covers Herefordshire, Worcestershire & Warwickshire, otherwise know has “WorcsDoc” has the distinction of being the largest group within the Discovery Owners Club.

On average we can get 20 to 23 members attending on the meet night. With the section having around 23 cars in the group, doing the sums you could end up with 46 people at a meet…Luckily this has never happened, well not yet! So with all these members in the group, it was bound to happen that we would hold pub nights that were not Discovery orientated, this lead to skittle nights, quiz nights & day trips out etc, etc. From this lead the need to set up a bank account to keep track of the money that we were making from these events and the selling of DVD’s, raffles and the such, so that’s how come after 4 years of saving our money we were now in a position in which to make some charitable donations, but who to? At one of the group meetings we discussed the merits of a fair few charities, it was decided that two charities would benefit from us. We settled on two that we as a group had a close tie with.

The first charity was the Royal British Legion. Someone, somewhere had relations who fought in the Great War or World War Two and it was agreed that a donation should be made in honour of their sacrifice. The second charity the group decided on was the County Air Ambulance Trust, Contacting this charity was left to Jono Hunt (Merchandising Officer) as he lived the closest to their base at Strensham Services which is on the M5 south of Worcester. With Contact made a date was set for a small group of “WorcsDoc” members to visit the base and to hand over a cheque.

As you can see from the photos we were made more than welcome and had a good 40 minutes on the base talking to the two medics. It came out in the conversations taking place amongst the group that there were 3 helicopters

within the local area and that it cost roughly 2.3 million each year to keep them in the air so they relied on all donations no matter how small.

A question was asked about how long it took from taking a call in the control room to being air-borne took, the answer was 2 minutes, so that’s zero to 120mph at 1500feet in 2 minutes. A point was made about the cost of running repairs, one of the medics pointed out the small yellow body panel on the bottom of the rear of the rotor, it transpired that on one mission they had come in to land at a bit of a steep angle and had smashed this panel, it being made from plastic & fibre-glass, the cost of the repair was £15,000……….Ouch!

So on a cold windy Saturday morning a group of 6 Discoverys arrived at the heli-pad at Strensham, We asked if we could get the cars into the base and as near as possible to the £2.5 million helicopter, yes £2.5 million and it was only 10 days old. Although they did ask us not to turn the engines off, just in case they had a shout, and had to fly off; talk about pushing our luck!

All too soon it was time to leave as another group had turned up to hand over their donation, with handshakes all round the group left the base with a better understanding of the role of the Air Ambulance Service.

Paul Walker

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Green Lane Code of Conduct Green Lane Code of Conduct The Discovery Owners Club, although not yet affiliated to GLASS, has agreed with them that all our members will abide by the green lane code of conduct. This is to safeguard our hobby of laning and also to make sure that the Discovery Owners Club cannot have its reputation brought into disrepute by any of its members. The Code of conduct is available from the GLASS website and from time to time will be printed in the club magazine.

It is with this in mind that we would like to let all members know that if we are presented with any evidence of any member not keeping to the green lane code of conduct, on any Discovery Owners Club organised laning session, we will deal with the incident under rule 26 of the club rules.

26 Events.

Members attending or taking part in events organised by the Club shall conform to the rules and instructions, whether verbal or written, provided by the event organiser, their deputy or other officials. Any member convicted of an offence arising out of his participation in any Club event or on Club business may thereupon be liable to expulsion from the Club under rule 18.”

Due to the large number of problems associated with green laning and the attempts from every side to ban us from enjoying our hobby, the committee thought that we should show a responsible attitude towards this problem and hope all our members will see this as a positive step towards showing people that we really care about our lanes.

Peter Greenway CHAIRMAN

www.glass-uk.org DRIVERS CODE OF CONDUCT

If the route is not obvious on the ground, ask locally, or check on the maps held at the highway authority offices or consult the local GLASS Area Representative.

Travel at a quiet and unobtrusive pace and as slowly as practicable; we recommend a maximum of 12 mph when in a 4x4 and on an Unsurfaced Right of Way (URoW). Ensure your vehicle is fully road-legal, URoW are subject to the same laws as surfaced roads.

When travelling in groups, keep to a small number - four or less. Split larger parties up and either use a different route or allow a good interval to elapse before following.

Do not travel on URoW when they risk being affected beyond a point of natural recovery once the weather improves. If need be, walk some or the entire route first to determine its suitability. Do not use URoW that maybe damaged by the wheel pressure applied by your vehicle.

Avoid damage to trees, hedgerows and boundaries.

Some roads carry vehicular rights but are physically too narrow for 4x4s.

Do not practice recovery techniques on any URoW. Use a winch only with extreme caution, and use only the correct equipment and techniques.

Be courteous to other road users - pull over and stop your vehicle for walkers, but pull over, stop your vehicle and switch off the engine for passing horses. Thank those who move over for you.

After consultations with Country Landowners Association and National Farmers Union HQ’s, “best practice” dictates that gates if they were found to be secured in an open position should be left open, and those which are found shut or swinging should be shut behind you; the landowner might appreciate being told about a gate insecurely propped open if you see them.

Keep dogs and children under supervision. Watch out for injured or trapped animals, and report all suspicious events to the landholder.

Guard against all risks of fire.

Use only rights of way with known, proven or provable vehicular rights. If challenged, discuss; if not resolved, then leave as requested until status is rechecked.

Take your litter home and that left by others if you see it, wherever practicable. Plastic bags can suffocate stock if swallowed.

Keep to the defined track. Detour only to pass immovable obstructions. Report any obstructions (including low branches) to the highway authority and the local GLASS Area Representative. Be critical of your own abilities and equipment when assessing an obstruction; it is your right to abate a non-lawful obstruction, but do not commit yourself to a bigger task than you are equipped for.

Help to keep all water clean.

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Remember that wildlife faces many threats and URoW are valuable habitats, take special care in spring and early summer.

Follow the Country Code, but be aware that it is for your guidance only.

Members Article Leaky Gutters

way and was bursting out!

It’s worth applying a good non-setting marine mastic to the ‘floor’ of the gutter as a precaution once it’s thoroughly dried.

Does your Discovery have the optional rear swimming pool? Then read on. In this article I hope to give you enough information for you to stop water ingress via the gutters on Discovery series 1 models (1989 – 1997). In a later article, I’ll look at Alpine lights.

Water leaks in the rear will mean the inch thick rubber sound deadening material under the rear carpet will become saturated and hasten the inevitable corrosion of the rear floor. The factory knew of the problem in 1990 and issued a number of technical bulletins. To understand why the problem exists, a brief history lesson.

The Discovery uses what is basically a modified Range Rover body shell. Back to the D post (that’s the one behind the rear doors on a five door) the components are common. Discovery needed a stepped roof and due to the shape of the roof it was pressed in steel and is welded to the framework for strength. Range Rover has a low-profile aluminium roof that is held on with 50 screws with large amounts of sealer in between. The main problem is where the E post and the roof join. Due to production tolerances, there is often a gap and Land Rover’s answer was a piece of sticky zinc tape. Due to flex in the body shell and the weather this hardens and eventually gives way and lets in rainwater.

There’s some simple tests you can carry out to determine the source of the leak. With the vehicle parked on level ground, remove the trim around the Alpine lights and then hose down the vehicle and, with a helper inside the vehicle, see where it’s coming in. If it’s the gutter water will normally drip from the cant rail (that’s the box section above the window line) and often it will drip from the rear speakers as well. Using a piece of putty or Bluetack (chewing gum not recommended!) dam up the gutter above the B/C post and gently flood the rear part of the gutter and see if water still drip in. If it doesn’t it maybe the windscreen seal needs attention, if it does, you’re in business. Drain out the water and dry the gutter.

Normally you can’t see the zinc tape and you will need to remove the gutter trim (see picture).

On early vehicles it’s a one-piece trim but after about mid-1990 there’s a joining clip which once removed will make life easier. Carefully inspect the condition of the tape and also look at where the roof joins the cant rail for pinholes in the sealant that was used after about 1994. Before that, you rely on the integrity of the weld and I’ve seen some where the weld has given

The picture shows the zinc tape removed and you can see the size of the gap – production tolerances indeed! I have used two methods for dealing with this. If the gap is less than a couple of millimetres, you can apply lots of non-setting sealant and then reassemble the gutter trim and wipe away the excess that oozes out. If the gap is larger, I have used builders roof flashing tape. Thoroughly clean the area with meths (not white spirit as this leaves a residue) and, following the tape manufacturers instructions regarding the primer, cut a piece of flashband to size and apply. I find applying gentle heat (Memsahib’s hair dryer) and applying pressure will help. You’ll need to leave it a few hours to go off and then repeat the water test. If all is well, then reassemble the gutter trim and repeat for the other side.

While you have the sealant gun out, it’s worth sealing between the rear body panel and the underside of the gutter as this has been known to be a problem, especially to the rear. Again, production tolerance can mean a sizeable gap so a good helping of sealant in the gaps.

If you open the rear door, have a look at where the roof and gutter join at the E post. The picture shows where to seal this and using a small screwdriver, ensure the sealant is worked well into the gaps.

Once the sealant has gone off, repeat the water test and, all being well, you should have a water tight Discovery.

The sound deadening foam will take a few days to dry out and you may be horrified to see the state of you rear floor, but that’s another article.

Next time – Alpine light seal replacement.

ALAN SMART

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Member’s Article

Reversing Sensor Reversing sensor installation After having owned the MG ZT, I had realised how useful reverse parking sensors were and set out to buy and install some for the Discovery. I had a look on good old Ebay and found a seller (TG Online) who did a half decent kit with a display for £39.99 + delivery. They actually did several different kits, and 3 versions of the one I looked at, a standard 4 sensor, an 8 sensor (front and rear) and an extra length cable version. I sent them an email enquiring if the standard version would be long enough for a Discovery and they said it would. So I bought the kit which arrived next day and fitted it.

Installation on the 3 0 0 series D i s c o v ery is pretty straight f o r ward, apolog i e s for no step by step photos, forgot the camera until the end! The rear bumper is held on by 2 bolts, inbound of the bumper lamp clusters, so simply remove the bulb holders from the clusters, remove the two bolts, and pull the bumper away, it’s not too heavy so can be managed on your own. The kit comes complete with a hole boring bit, which will drill through the steel bumper, I mounted 1 sensor in the plastic bumper cap each end, and the other 2 about 100mm inbound from the lamp. The sensors are fairly low profile and gave no clearance issues at the rear.

Once the 4 holes were drilled, the sensors just push in and are a fairly snug fit, I put a small dollop of sealer/adhesive on the r e a r of the steel bumpe r mounte d ones for sec u r i t y.

I then ran the cables along the bumper, tucking behind any brackets and cable tied

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them together, bringing all cables to exit the bumper on the passenger side. Each sensor is labelled from E to H, and should run from left to right. Then refit the bumper, again, not a difficult job on your own.

There is no shortage of grommets in the boot floor (if your rear floor is rotten, you’ll be spoilt for holes!!), and one is conveniently situated just behind the interior trim panel so I used this one to bring the cables up through and inside.

Wiring up is very simple, just plug the 4 sensors in to their corresponding sockets, the power lead simply connects to the + side of the reversing light loom at the body mounted cluster and then the other wire to earth, if you can do this without removing the lamp cluster then all the better, as they are little bleeders to remove and replace with their very awkward and fiddly plastic ‘wing nuts’. The final connector is for the display and I ran this up inside the trim by simply tucking it in, along the passenger side roof trim and around the windscreen trim to the position of the display, in my case just above the rear view mirror.

The control box has a Velcro pad, so this simply mounts to the body behind the trim and the sensor has a very strong adhesive pad which sticks quite firmly to the interior trim (remember to clean any polish off the trim first!).

That’s it! When reverse is selected the system springs in to life, indicating which side the obstruction is and the distance, all in a very bright and clear display, it also has a built in beeper, with 3 volume levels, off, low and high.

The instruction manual is a gem, typical translation which makes for fun reading!!

All in all, I found this to be a good value and simple kit, especially with the provision of the hole cutter.

Whilst removing the bumper, it also gave me the opportunity to treat the common issue whereby the plastic bumper trim rubs the top of the steel bumper, wearing away the paint and causing rust, I simply cleaned the damaged area, treated with an all in one rust killer and then covered with a strip of heavy duty tape, which should hopefully hold of the trim rubbing for a little longer!

Stefan Tapp #89

The Glove Box

LAND ROVER EXPEDITIONS WHERE TO GO IN THE UK One of the few Land Rover based gifts received last Christmas was a book entitled “LAND ROVER EXPEDITIONS”. It is a hard back based on previous articles about days out green laning released in LRO international magazine since the year 2000. This just happens to be the same sort of time span as I have been regularly reading the magazine, so I nearly put the book down again to be forgotten at the bottom of a cupboard somewhere, but as luck would have it being a dull Christmas on the telly I started to have a closer look inside.

The book consists of well over two hundred pages with plenty of good colour photographs of almost every type of Land Rover model ever produced set in the British countryside. The book starts in Devon & Cornwall and works its way around the country covering places like Kent, The Cotswolds, Yorkshire, and up into the Scottish Boarders and many places in-between. In total there are nearly thirty previous reports featured so you could find a place near to you that you have never considered before, it could even give you an idea for your holidays or a trip away with some fellow Discovery owners.

As each report is only a few pages long you can easily keep putting down the book and then go back to it as you feel like without being to worried about what you have (or not) read before.

With some of the individual reports you will find useful information such as contact names and other places to visit in the area covered so the rest of the family are catered for. Also in the back is a selection of some of the OS maps, websites, places stayed and local clubs which may be of some use while visiting a particular area, but some areas never had a list of local resources when first published, and that has not been corrected in this book.

It would be fair to say this book won’t be everybody’s cup of tea as it is a compilation of previously published magazine articles. But if you’re not a regular LRO reader or you have an interest in green lanes it could provide you with an excuse for a little light reading.

The book is jointly published by Emap Automotive and Haynes Publishing, and the RRP is £14.99 or £13.49 if you are a LRO subscriber, British Library catalogue record is ISBN 1 84425 1411.

Bill Jones. #1435

THE GLOVE BOX HI-CLONE CONCLUSION Some will remember in issue 19 I had installed a set of Hi-Clone’s and a “Hyper-Flow” replacement air filter, well 2500 miles later, it’s time to spill the beans.

Installation was easy (even for me, an I.T. skilled person with the mechanical skills of a garden snail.

3 were fitted, 1 in the air pipe close to the turbo, and 2 in the intercooler pipe, 1 at each end. The filter was a simple whip-out-and-replace affair. On my 1998 TDi the difference was immediately noticable.

Anyone who has replaced their OEM air filter for a K&N option will vouch, more air does make a difference, and in this case “controlled” air has a similar improvement.

Normally long climbs on dual carriageways which reduce me from 70 to 55 to milk float speeds are now taken easily at 85, with marginal loss of speed.

As a test, I removed the Hi-Clones and Hyper Flow air filter and returned things to normal. This is when you realise it’s not all in your head. Tractor-like reflexes returned, and rather than wait the planned 7 days, I re-fitted everything on the 3rd.

Hi-Clone UK offer a 30 day money back guarantee, which is what I based my initial scepticism on.

Service from purchase to followup call to ensure everything was going well was very good indeed, with even the chance to speak to the designer of the Hyper-Flow filter, and get an insight into future projects etc.

There is a discount being made available to Discovery Owners Club members, which is currently being negotiated. Anyone who is genuinely interested can contact me for an update on this.

Horness Spencer Thanks To: Stuart Whitelock from www.hiclone.co.uk

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Members’ Stories WESTON PARK 25-28 May Easter Weekend saw me and Chris Gorvin forming the basis of a stand at the Midlands Festival of Transport show at Weston Park Weston under Lizard Shropshire.

I was there from Friday afternoon in my caravan making the most of the bank holiday weekend, wandering a r o u n d looking at some of the traders’ pitches that were already setting up and looking at some of the 1000 expected vehicles that had arrived for the show.

Some of the customised American pick-ups were an impressive sight with more lights than Mad George’s Liberty and Roger’s TB2 put together.

Later on that afternoon a 52 Chevy pick-up with twin axle caravan managed to break down on a road junction so out with the tow strap. I soon pulled them to a suitable camping spot, 3.5 tonnes all up no problem for the disco, coincidently the last show of last year I towed a 7.5 tonne van and trailer over a wet field because he got stuck !!!

Only got a free bag of doughnuts out of him and my son nicked them.

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Saturday we had a trip to Cosford to replace a gas bottle then chilled out for the rest of the day, the afternoon saw Chris and family arrive.

Sunday was the first day of the show; we set up the gazebo and were joined by Lee Jones. The weather was dull and cold but we had some interest, with people discussing problems or talking about the club and taking membership forms away - one a subsequent member from Cheshire.

On Monday it was a lot brighter, we got four more non-members to put their cars on the stand - three of which are now members one was a trader (son of one of our new members) who said he would join but got too busy to come back; he is still not lost to us as we will be seeing him later this year. Two other people joined the club giving us a total of five on the day, six for the event.

Malc Bourne.

Members’ Stories CATTON HALL After a wet start to the day (Saturday) we set off just before lunch time for Catton Hall this venue being approx 55 miles from home, on arrival we were met on site by Steve and Sue, who had arrived about an hour before us. This time the club had the required 5 entries to get a dedicated space with the caravans set back only 50 yards from the stand. Then the sun shone. We were soon joined by Chris and Lynne and family and finally George and Brigette.

change his vehicle, And another chap had his Mondeo and was thinking of getting a Discovery as a second car.

Sunday evening saw the open air cinema in use (gazebo with T.V. and DVD) for our entertainment, then we helped Steve and Sue pack up ready for an early departure (shame but they were booked on Roger’s run on Monday).

Monday we set up again and an early arrival was member and wife from Yorkshire who had been at Gaydon for the LRM show (very sorry can’t recall your name) in his silver H reg. Disco. Lee Jones arrived shortly after and then our Chairman Peter Greenway and family with their new toy - lucky devils (no it wasn’t a 1/42nd size toy).

The attendance of exhibits was down on Sunday but as usually happens some clubs try to fit in two shows in one weekend. Again we were blessed with sunshine and there were two sunburnt heads by the end of the day and Lynne was looking a bit cooked too.

After an afternoon of lounging in the sun the BBQ’s were on the go for evening meals and socialising till late.

Sunday was the first day of the show, which once all the cars had arrived, was as ever an impressive sight. The gazebo was set up and cars put into place, whilst setting out the gazebo Steve and George were diverted to a truck that needed a tow, the Unimog couldn’t cope on its own (thought they were good off road) but with Steve hooked up he managed to get them both on the move. Disco 2 Unimog???

The show itself was good, approx 700 cars, trucks, buses and a few tractors that ranged from 1930s to mid 80s many looking like they had come straight from the showroom not having had at least 20 years use.

In the central arena there was a children’s motor cycle display team and birds of prey falconry display.

At the DOC stand things were quiet with people looking at the cars and talking to us about them but no takers for membership, at least now a few more Land Rover folk know we exist.

The ones I spoke to were Series owners who were looking and comparing and not Discovery owners themselves, one was definitely interested for when he next decides to

A few membership forms were given out so maybe some follow-ups will happen.

Each of these shows will vary on amount of interest from the public but we do get a good day/weekend away and meet up with friends that we can only be see on rare occasions.

I, personally, would recommend any groups interested to contact show organisers in their area, set up a stand and meet up with other like-minded members for a social event with a difference.

Malc Bourne.

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Precious Metal

Precious Metal

MCN, registered Aug 2000, about 34,000 miles on the clock, ,full service history and one owner. That was the upside.

The down sides, its FULL of WATER and MUD! Everything Monday 28th March 2005. I stumbled out of my house told me to walk away, so walk away from it, I did. for yet another day at work. “Oh!” Three days and the tax runs out on my 1990 Land Rover Discovery. I’d better get I sat and thought about it’s fate on the way home, it seemed it taxed of course, plus the MOT was due as well, and It a shame to spoil Land Rover’s record of 75% of all their vewas another one of those things I’ve been meaning to do, hicles still being on the road and it was such a nice looking along with the leaking garage roof, the kitchen cupboards vehicle, it didn’t deserve to be broken up and its component and the bathroom tiling. I’d better take “WAG” to ‘Ray’s parts sold off.

Garage’ and get a MOT. Wednesday 6th April 2005. I’m back at Simpsons. I rememMonday evening and I arrive at ‘Ray’s, expecting a crisp ber how I bought ‘Waggy’ three years ago, ‘Fifteen hundred new MOT, but instead there is a note on the windscreen. quid cash, tomorrow at 12 and we’ve got a deal’, the reply had been ‘You’ve just bought yourself a car.’

‘DEREK, DO NOT TRY AND DRIVE THIS! IT IS TOO DANGEROUS, THERE IS NOTHING CONNECTING I was determined to drive a harder bargain this time.

THE FRONT AXLE TO THE REST OF IT!!!!!’

‘Five and a half in cash for the Discovery as it is, and free Ray appears and shows me the spaces where the front delivery by tomorrow at 12.’ My opening bid. That would axle should have mounts but instead there is nothing but shake him! rusty stumps. I am told that although it could be repaired ‘Okay.’ I just bought another Land Rover Discovery. the best solution would be a Thursday 7th April 2005 11.45 am. I’ve just finnew front axle. ished counting out the last of the required cash.

I leave my Disco ‘Waggy’ Monday 11th April 2005, 12am. I’m outside ‘Ray’s’, and set off to my beloved ‘Waggy’ is all polished and the new front source another axle fitted, new rear suspension and a crisp new Discovery 200 MOT certificate sits on her dash. I’m in love again!

Tdi front axle.

The drive home proves that Ray knows his stuff and once again has worked his special magic over Monday 4th my Disco.

April 2005.

What am S i m p s o n I going to Brothers, Full do with Sutton, East Yorkshire. This place is amazing! Acres my other of cars and salvaged spare parts, they’ve managed mistress? to find me a front axle from a rear ended ‘K’ reg’, they’re asking £200 with a 3 month warranty. It’s Thursday complete with the suspension. I wander in to buy 14th April it, and there, to one side I see a gold coloured ‘W’ 2 0 0 5 . reg. Discovery Td5 GS, the bodywork is straight and 7.45 am. there appears to be nothing wrong with it. It is surA car rounded by Jaguar XJS’s and BMW Z4’s (£19,000 if transportyou’re interested), I pay for my axle. er arrives outside ‘What’s the gold Disco doing there?’ I ask. my home.

‘Oh, its to be broken up.’

My new ‘Why?’ Discovery sits on the very top. As the top deck tilts rear‘It’s flood damaged. To be honest, it came in last Friday at ward what seems like gallons of water pour from the ex4 and the boss said that if we could get the engine running haust! My new Disco sits in my field while I go off to work by 5 we were to sell it for £10,000. But we wanted to get and contemplate my ‘new project’! home, it being Friday and all that, so we couldn’t be ar*ed, so its to be broken up instead.’

I began to look through her and found a receipt with an address, this then leads me to its previous keeper.

I turned to Leigh my friend and a fellow Discovery owner; She had led a sheltered life, bought new from North East‘You could buy that for a Sunday project.’ Leigh, looked ern Land Rovers, Newcastle upon Tyne, she had spent her longingly at the Discovery. ‘I’d love to but…..’ years as a family ‘run about’ with one long trip to the south of France every year. No expense had been spared. AfI walked over and looked at the gold Discovery, W279 ter three years she had been ‘Superchipped’ and given an HEAVILY FLOOD DAMAGED

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Precious Metal extra 30 bhp. This lady, demands respect! I have to restore her properly.

At the end of the first day I’ve spent £15 on WD40 and Electrical Spray and 12 hours in labour.

I contacted her previous owner. He was able to send me every receipt and every document relating to her. She had been parked in his drive one night when a flood had engulfed her up to a depth of about three feet. That was how she had been condemned as an insurance ‘write off’ and had eventually found her way to a scrap yard outside York, where she had been destined to be broken up. Now she was mine.

I rarely get a day off from work and so ‘Precious’ has now to wait until the next day I have free. In the meantime, her mats and seats are spread out in the greenhouse drying out.

My work commitments meant that ‘Precious Metal’ (She has now been christened this because her official colour is ‘White Gold’) had to wait in a field until I had another a day off.

Sunday 1 7 t h April 2 0 0 5 My first day off in eight days!

‘Precious’ has already left her mark.

There’s a 15 foot long gouge in the grass where her tow bar has dug into the ground as she was left by the transporter. Its 8am and I decide to start on her restoration. Luck is with me at his point.

Her previous owner has fitted rubber over-mats throughout and these has saved the carpets from the worse of the mud. I remove the over-mats and these are placed to one side to be pressure washed at a later date. The carpets underneath are wet, I remove the door trims first and then the mats. The door wells are full of mud and twigs. The central consul is then removed and then followed by the front seats. It’s not a time to be gentle and almost everything gets pressure washed as it is removed.

The underdash soundproofing is first pressure washed and then treated to the ‘D Cole patented water removal system’, this involves placing it between two sheets of marine ply and then parking ‘Waggy’ over the top.

At every opportunity and whenever wiring is exposed I sprat with ‘Electrical Contact Cleaner’ and follow with WD40.

By dusk, I’ve removed most of the trim, seats, the spare wheel and three of the wheels, the rear nearside being held fast by one of those dreaded LR locking wheel nuts. The CD multichanger located under the seat has been removed. It’s not worth repairing but by a stroke of luck it is the same model as the one in the boot of my BMW and so will be replaced.

Thursday 21st April 2005 Day Two. I have been given advice by everyone who knows me. Apparently, the Humberside Police use industrial Dehumidifiers to dry out sunken cars before they examine them and I have been lent a special tool that their mobile workshop uses to remove locking wheel nuts. Only it doesn’t! It’s the wrong size! I am promised a larger one next week! The drying time for the de-humidifiers is only two days! From wet to powder dry! I would recommend these, empty them every two hours, its surprising how much water they collect.

Today starts promisingly, the interior is dry and the seats are now dusty and can be vacuumed clean.

I intend to take the vehicle to be valetted when its done but need to get the worse of the dirt out first.

The engine oil is drained and the block flushed out with Asda Car Club engine oil at £2,75 per 5 litres. I then fill it with another gallon of cheap oil until I am ready to re-fill with the correct oil.

Both axles are then drained. The front is a milky cream colour that shows that there has been some water contamination. When I drain the rear I find that the axle is almost completely filled with ice-cold water! Both axles are allowed to drain before being filled with gear oil at a total cost of £35. A stubborn nut stops me draining the gearbox, this is given a liberal dose of WD40 and left until the next time. I then find what I believe to be the engine management system; this appears to be the alloy box under the bonnet next to the battery?? It’s removed and is presently sitting in my airing cupboard enjoying the gentle warmth of an ‘Economy 7’ emersion heater.

The total cost of the restoration so far is £55.50 and 20 hours in labour.

Derek Cole

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Members’ Article 300 SERIES REAR LIGHTS The introduction of the 300 series Discovery in 1994 saw the first of a number of changes to the rear lights to satisfy changing regulations. The first was a European Directive that required all obligatory lights to be fully visible with any door open. On the 200 series, of course, all of the lights were in the body clusters and gave excellent visibility, but if the rear door was open the spare wheel obscured the offside cluster, and this was considered a safety issue. To counter this without major re-tooling of the body panels, the tail and indicator lights were moved from the body clusters to the bumper. However, many considered this to be a retrograde step as the lower position meant they were more easily obscured and the new clusters were more exposed to the elements. There was also a feeling that it just didn’t look ‘right’ and so following customer complaints Land Rover reintroduced the upper tail and indicators to give four light systems after only a year.

Later European regulations forced a further change and vehicles with high level brake lights had to have indicators lower down, so they were relocated back to the bumper and remained there when the Series II Discovery were introduced.

It’s a relatively s i m p l e modification to convert the earlier and later 300 series vehicles to the four tail and indicator light setups of the midterm model and many owners have done just that.

A less obvious modification is to add brake lights to the bumper mounted tail lights so that they also have a four light set-up, which is quite a simple operation involving standard Land Rover parts. The original bulb holders, which are easily removed by giving them a quarter turn, are swapped for dual filament bulb holders as used in the bumper of the Freelander, and the accompanying sections of Freelander wiring loom are spliced in to provide the appropriate 3-pin plugs.

The new wiring loom sections comprise the 3-pin plug and three wires - red, green and black that each terminates in a bullet connector.

To fit these to the vehicle loom it’s necessary to cut off the existing two pin plug, which has

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a red and a black wire, and connect the corresponding colours of the new loom section. By then crimping a female bullet connector on each original wire the new loom can be merely plugged in. The green wire to the new plug is the feed for the brake light and this needs to be connected to the brake light supply to each light cluster in the vehicle body. Behind each light cluster is a six-way connector and the Green/Purple wire feeds the brake light. New pieces of wire have to be spliced to these on each side of the vehicle and fed down through the grommets in the body floor. They will also need female bullet connectors crimped on the ends so that they too can be plugged into the new loom. The wiring to the bumper lights is encased in split flexible conduit held closed with tape. By splitting the tape the new wires can be tucked inside this conduit then resealed with black duct tape to keep it neat and tidy.

The bulb holders, part no XBP100190, are quite cheap and under £2.00 each but the Freelander wiring loom sections, part no. STC 4637, are about £15.00 each. However, it’s also possible to buy the three pin connectors individually from Vehicle Wiring Products, part no. 01253, so that the loom sections could be made up to suit.

Darren Burgess

Wessex Day of Discovery April saw the Wessex Group at Marwell Zoo, near Winchester. We thought we had the required 20 members to get the group rate but on the day two had dropped out.

We collared a young couple in the car park and ‘recruited’ them for entry purposes. Marwell is not the traditional zoo, but an organisation that saves rare breeds and releases back into the wild. The range of animals on show is extensive and there is a continuous programme of rebuilding and extending the pens. We took the ‘land train’ to the furthest point and walked back along the eastern route.

We stood awhile and watched a magnificent tiger pace up and down and then onto the monkeys who gave a superb aerial display of their antics [not surprising if they saw the tiger coming! Ed.], chasing one another, demonstrating their amazing hand to eye co-ordination as they leapt from fixed structures to swinging ropes.

After lunch we took the ‘land train’ back to the top to come back along the western route. This took us through the white rhinos’ house, the hippos and the forest house that was hot and humid and made your glasses steam up.

Another great Wessex Day of Discovery was had by all.

For June we plan a green land day with a barbecue in the evening and then in September it’s off to the Royal Naval Air Station at Yeovilton.

ALAN SMART.

Members’ Article PEAK DISTRICT OUTING CHESHIRE DOC

The Cheshire branch of the Discovery Owners Club was formed towards the end of 2004 with Malcolm Bourne taking up the chairmanship. A number of ideas have been discussed as to what the members want to do including having a stand at local shows, caravanning weekends, visits to off road sites and green laning. I had done some green laning in the past and some in the Peak District more recently with my brother Ian, so I volunteered to organise a Sunday green lane run to the Peak District. This was to be the clubs first event.

The day picked was the second Sunday of the year, so out came the maps and a visit to the Wayfinder web site. Followed by a path finding trip on the Sunday before, some lanes were too rough and as I knew there were members with road tyres, tow bars and a couple who had never done green lanes before these were left out.

We met at a disused pub just outside Sandbach with a plan to leave at 10am we ended up as a party of four vehicles mine, Malc’s, Ash’s and Andy’s. I had my wife with me Ash and Andy had their families, which in Andy’s case included Max the dog. I gave a quick briefing about gates, horses, walkers, what was planned etc.

We left the pub on time and headed for Buxton the first lane being the old Macclesfield to Buxton road a hard rocky surfaced road about a mile long on this lane we dropped down into Buxton and then out again heading north, four more lanes were traversed bringing us out to Hayfield at approximately 12.30 where we stopped for half a hour for dinner. There was a parking fee of 40p but it was worth it as the car park had picnic and toilet facilities.

After we were all fed and watered including Max we set of for the afternoon routes. We headed back south towards the east of Buxton and did a number of lanes continuing generally south eventually getting back on the main Ashbourne to Buxton road we headed back to Buxton as it started to get dark.

At Buxton we headed for the Old Macclesfield to Buxton road once again, to do it in the dark in the reverse direction (Not in reverse!). Ash told me at the meeting it was only after travelling some way along it he realised it was the first lane we had done. Which just goes to show driving a lane in the other direction or in the dark can change its character.

At the end of this lane I asked if everyone had done enough

or if they wanted to do one final lane after explaining that approximately 75 metres was driving along a small river all said YES. So off we set, the water depth was up to the axles nothing scary, all enjoyed the new experience but on the exit from the lane two trees had fallen across the semi sunken road I made sure they would not fall any further and made a rough estimate of the clearance, everyone cleared it easily but with Malc having a roof rack he just made it under.

We then headed home after having done about 20 miles of lanes. The weather was cold and breezy but at least the rain kept away all day while laning but we had a few spots on the way home.

All headed for home.

Although tow hitches did bottom out on occasions. There was no damage, breakdowns or anyone getting stuck. All the children had broad smiles whatever their age.

Two days later at the next meeting I asked if anyone had thought any part of the day was too difficult and would not do it again, all said no and would look forward to another trip out, and other forthcoming events.

Tom and Annette.

CORNWALL LSR UPDATE Hello!

My name is Paul Shapter and I am L.S.R. for Devon & Cornwall.

As a new section we have only had a few meets to date.

By the time you are reading this we will have had a few monthly pub meets, a days’ laning around Exmouth (thanks John) and hopefully a stand at the S.West Off-road Show.

Future events will hopefully include some more days’ laning, a bonfire night do, if I can find suitable venue, and a Xmas meal.

So if you fancy a beer and a chat, you’ll find us at The Marsh Mills, Plymouth on the 1st Tuesday of the month from 2000hrs onwards, or if you are lucky enough to find yourself on holiday in our neck of the woods, give me a call and we’ll try and get together.

Regards, Paul.

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Down Your Way

EVENTS UPDATE Malc Bourne - Events Co-ordinator At this year’s AGM I took on the role of Events Co-ordinator and am one of the four newly elected members of the Committee.

When I took over the events there was a list in Discourse of 12 events that the club usually attends; these are mostly major shows sponsored by the four Land-Rover magazines, 3 shows are now not taking place and one was the AGM - which leaves 8. (the LRO magazine has since changed BEFORE their venue and is running their show themselves).

Horness now has an up-to-date list (see page 26) for this issue of Discourse with a total of 23 events for this year (by now some of these events will have taken place). Most event are in the Midlands via my previous contacts. As I become aware of further events these will be posted on the Forum and printed in the next editions of Discourse.

Having assisted on the club stand at some of the shows last year I was spurred on to get more actively involved within the club. As a result I set up a club stand at a local weekend show and recruited 6 new members - this enabled me to establish a new local section in Cheshire having 8 members. With the help of my wife and club friends we had a super time, met lots of like-minded folk and Discoenthusiasts. And the club grew! You really want toAFTER try it!!

Having a hobby background of exhibiting at classic car and steam rallies for many years prior to owning my Discovery and joining the club, I contacted known show organisers to see if we could have entry to their shows as the Discovery Owners Club - so far the response has been positive and has gained us entry to a possible twelve new shows.

HAVE A GO! It’s not difficult to organise a show stand on behalf of the club, believe me. Yes, it does involve some work, I agree, but the feeling of self-satisfaction at the end of it all is well worth the effort - and you’ll have made new friends into the bargain.

If you decide you’d like to “Have A Go”, don’t worry, you won’t be left to go it alone. Myself, the Committee, and other experienced members are willing to advise and support you.

A good show is a pleasurable experience for you, and your family. You get to speak to many different people about the club, theirs and your cars, good or bad experiences with vehicles and days out.

If you want to arrange a Club Stand entry to a show in your area please send details to me at events@discover yownersclub.org and/or phone me and we can get things moving. Please let me know as soon as possible so shows can be listed.

I would like to see members asking “Can I run a stand for the DOC?” rather than ‘Are the DOC attending…?’

We, the committee will help as much as possible but cannot guarantee to be present at shows.

It’s not only shows that we can attend as a club. I realise that a lot of members, including myself and most of the committee, enjoy a relaxing weekend chilling out in our caravans and tents. Any caravan site or rally usually has its fair share of Discoveries towing some fairly heavy caravans or transporting loads of kit, adventure gear, bikes etc. So it is also our aim to continue to build on previous experience and try to put on more weekend rallies, some with green lanes available or other themes e.g. Halloween & Bonfire Night. Again if you know of a good rally site, places of interest, etc. and you want to arrange something let us know.

Organising a Show or Rally (a guide for organisers) We will shortly be putting the finishing touches to a guide pack on organising a show or rally for potential event organisers That’s all for now, I hope you enjoyed my introduction and look forward to hearing from you soon, Malc

Discovery 3 - up-date After my article in the last issue of Discourse regarding my test drive of the new Discovery, a few people have contacted me and pointed out some issues. So I hereby wish to clarify a few points.

Please note that I was not given a owners manual when I test-drove the D3, Hence some of my comments in the first article.

1) With reference to the flap over the fuel filler cap, I have been informed that the flap is lockable…it is connected to the central locking system…It might be.! But on the vehicle that I TEST-DROVE….I fully locked the car when at the petrol station, yet I was still able to open the flap. Maybe an issue for Land Rover to look into?

2) With reference to the dipping wing mirrors, since my article went to print I have been informed that there is an option, using the control buttons on the steering wheel to alter the pre-programmed dipping when selecting reverse, again not having a copy of the owners hand book, I was not to know this.

So I apologise that my review may have given people the wrong impression about the D3, but as I said it was my own review……If you want to do your own, then book a test drive at your nearest Land Rover dealer. I still stand by my comment, Yes I would buy one if my lottery numbers came up. At last Land Rover have built a car to take on the world………again.

PAUL WALKER

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Members’ Articles

WHEN DISCOVERIES GO BAD I am an absolute fan of the Discovery. I wanted to point that out before you read the following story. Some people after having experienced what I have might blame the vehicle, but I just blame the salesman. I hope that my story won’t give you too many nightmares.

I have been a Land Rover enthusiast for a long time, but I have not owned one since I sold my 1972 88” Series III some years ago. So when my son became interested in owning one, I not only helped him choose it, but I got to thinking that maybe I’d like to own one too. My son had chosen a 1992 200Tdi Discovery and it seemed to me that at the age of 88, perhaps the added comfort offered by the Discovery might be better than the harshness of a Defender. Besides, we have been active members of the Caravan Club since 1970 and I am pretty sure that the Discovery is the most popular vehicle used for towing today.

My mind made up, the logical thing seemed to be to return to same garage that had supplied my son’s vehicle and see if they had another one. After a couple of visits I spotted a nice looking one. It was a 1996 300Tdi S Automatic in “Biarritz Blue”. Perhaps a little on the impulsive side, I purchased it shortly afterward after no real test drive. However I was not too concerned, as the vehicle looked like it had been well looked after and it came with six months warranty.

This was the 6th October 2004. There were no visible signs of rust and the interior was immaculate.

Once I’d got it home, my son agreed, it looked like a good buy. He had told me that I needed to check out the situation with the cam belt because of a known problem he knew about with the pulley arrangement on the 300. However it soon became apparent that there were more pressing causes for concern.

Within three days of purchase, the problems started. On a cold day it would take at least 25 seconds of turning over before starting. This would often be accompanied by white smoke from the exhaust. I returned to the garage to inform them and I was told that the length of start time was normal

on an automatic. Also I apparently had nothing to worry about with regard to the cam belt as this vehicle did not have one; it instead had a timing chain.

Accepting their answer, I returned home. My son doubting both responses made some enquiries on the DOC web forum. He once again told me that the 300 definitely had a cam belt and nobody knew of any that were converted.

By the time he came back to me with this information, the problems seemed worse. A good 15 seconds were needed to start the vehicle even when the engine was warm. The clouds of smoke were no longer dissipating and were frankly becoming an embarrassment.

So once again I returned to the garage. They agreed to take it back and investigate the problem. It went back to them on the 1st November and was not returned to me until the 18th.

I was told that a substantial amount of work had been done, including new pistons, rings, big end, little end and bearings. Very glad for the warranty, I collected the vehicle noticing it had done 214 miles since they had taken it off me.

They told me that to treat it as is if it were a new engine (it practically was by the sound of it) and to allow at least 300 miles for it to “settle”.

This seemed a reasonable request as it certainly started quicker and so I ignored the ever-present (if greatly reduced) smoking.

By early December I was getting depressed about the whole idea. The glow-plugs needed tightening one day when it would not start at all. Presumably that had not been done after the last work was carried out.

On some occasions it would not smoke at all, on others it was so thick that I would lose site of anyone behind me. I was running a real risk of being arrested. So once again, I insisted to the garage that they get it sorted out.

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Members’ Story

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GEARBOX TROUBLES

and a half. It felt like they were having more use out of it than me! This time I was informed that it was the Turbo that was at fault. I am not too knowledgeable on these

The gearbox on my 1993 200Tdi was very notchy between 1st and 2nd, a common problem I believe. More recently it began to occasionally jam going for 4th, and on top of this I noticed lift in the output flange of the transfer box to the front axle. With 85000 miles on it I decided it was time for a recon box.

matters (Engines are very different since my father was a mechanic) but they explained that the Turbo was sucking in un-burnt fuel thus causing the emissions at the back. It sounded reasonable. A new Turbo would be fitted. I later found out from a very knowledgeable friend that it was a re-conditioned one that was used and that many nuts were missing and some parts of the heat shield were falling off.

Between December and February various things happened. It had to be taken to a different garage to have the jets adjusted as I was losing diesel and another time, various clips needed tightening as I was losing fluid from the PAS pipes.

Finally, the camel’s back was well and truly broken when after towing the caravan for less than ten miles, so much smoke started to bellow out that if you stood on one side of the road you would not be able to see the other. I switched the engine off, and re-started and all was clear but it happened again on the return journey.

I called into the garage and made my thoughts known. I was thoroughly sick of the vehicle and I wanted something done else Trading Standards might become involved. My slightly empty threat seemed to do the trick. They agreed to replace the 300Tdi S with a 300Tdi XS of the same year for no charge. I understood that this was a higher specification vehicle and after my son had confirmed the exact differences, it seemed like a good idea.

So far, so good. I am very pleased with new vehicle. Only now can I appreciate how bad the old one actually was.

Despite the obvious benefits of no smoke, it has a working cruise control, it is quieter, better suspension, and the fuel economy appears to be greatly improved even whilst towing. In fact it is so good, I don’t even mind the odd looks I get at its rather “overpowering” colour.

To be fair to the garage, they have been excellent to me on the whole. Apart from one salesman (I have since discovered he no longer works there) who seems to prefer to tell you what you want to hear rather than any facts, they have done their best with what was obviously a vehicle they would have rather never come across.

I looked at the various firms offering recons and decided to go with Ashcroft Transmissions. They are generally accepted as the best. I booked a date to have both the LT77S gearbox and the LT230 transferbox renewed which can be done in the day. I duly arrived at the fitting premises which is about 10 mins away from to the reconditioning workshop. The mechanic, Dale, a very enthusiastic chap told me he had been doing the fitting for over 8 years and was well used to the job.

I left him at about 08.30 and was told to return at about 4.30pm. I went to nearby St Albans in the free courtesy car provided and had a good look round. St Albans kept me busy until about 3pm when I decided to return on the off chance he may be nearly finished. On arriving back at the garage my Disco was parked up. He had completed the job 30 mins ago and all was ready to go. After a phone call to Ashcroft to pay, Dale showed me my old box, I was interested to look at the output shaft splines for the dreaded wear. They looked in as new condition and the output gear was an origional item, Dale said it was in good condition and had seen much worse that where still driving. The gearbox was very stiff to begin with, but this is normal. I drove for 50 miles locally and it seemed to get a bit better.

I have now covered over 300 miles and the shift is becoming noticeably slicker, especially when it warms up. The hi-lo shift is better than the old box and the diff locks works fine, all in all a very good job, I am quite happy to recommend Ashcroft.

The process is straight forward, ring them up with your requirement, they will quote a price, book a date for fitting, a confirmation comes through the post with all the details, arrive at the appointed time, leave the man to it, return and pay, go out and play.

As for me, well I still love Land Rovers, but I am a little wiser as to the pitfalls of ownership.

How much? Well for a gearbox and a transfer box, plus fitting, plus vat I paid £1028.13p. The boxes were £350 each, the fitting £175, the vat.... well if you can claim it back it helps, sadly I can’t. I could have done the the fitting but I would have struggled and I would still have had to return the old units at a cost, for £175 the job was done in 5 hours, I definitely could not have done it in that amount of time, overall I am very happy with the whole experience.

Geoff Hunt #1862

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Members Stories

Gaydon April 30th / May 1st Late permission to have the weekend off work saw the family and I going to the LRM show at Gaydon. Two and a half hours of driving in Gulliver (Series 2 TD5) and we reached our accommodation for the weekend only just getting the very last family room in Stratford Upon Avon Youth Hostel. This is only a short drive to the Heritage Motor Centre at Gaydon and we were at the show by 1pm Saturday afternoon.

have seen on postings. Thanks for making us welcome and well done with your success at the Winch Challenge competition. The event itself was good with DOC members taking part in one of our favorite parts of the show, the heritage run. This included the first production 2004 Series

The weather for the weekend stayed dry and sunny, at least during the day anyhow as we were treated to a bit of a thunder storm on Saturday night. A big contrast to last year when it rained the first night and carried on raining right through the next day.

We remember the rain because we were

3 Discovery, a left hand drive car aptly driven by members of the DOC. As well as the various Discoveries at the show there were examples of Land Rovers of all shapes and sizes, together with a good number of trade stands.

So if, like me last year, you have joined after visiting the DOC stand at Gaydon this year, then I figure this may be your first copy of Discourse. If that’s the case, then welcome to the club!

Simon Conquest.

in a tent and I ended up soaked through, literally to the skin. I did enjoy it though! (Note to self, must save up for a caravan).

Camping Weekend Nr Skegness in September,

I mention last years show because it was as a result of visiting the Discovery Owners Club stand and having a chat with one of the chaps there that I ended up joining myself later in the year. Well worth it too! I find the internet forum both useful and entertaining. The technical knowledge of members is superb and some of the humour is second to none. I make use of the e-mail facility where new postings are sent to my e-mail address. This enables me to keep abreast of what’s going on without having to log on each and every time.

There will be a treasure Hunt for the little ones and Old alike. A BBQ on the Saturday night to be arrange so bring a sausage :) I have spoken briefly with Lincs Off Road Club about Green lanes in the area. All interested let me know as soon as poss.

It was good to visit the DOC stand again this year and meet face to face some of the people whose names I

Regards James Wood Yorks LSR

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The date will be set in the next few weeks, Cost will be £5 per Unit Inc. hook up per night . There are 14 hook ups and they will be on a first come first served basis.

Members’ Stories

My first Heritage Run 1st May 2005 I had been to see the heritage run for the previous three years and decided that this year it would be a good idea to enter the run myself. So back in February I sent in my application form with the entrance fee.

The Home of the Legend within the Solihull Factory was the starting point. On arrival all the Land Rovers are marshalled into their respective places on the car park and sorted by type and age beginning with the early Series Ones and finishing with the Discovery’s just in front of the Freelanders. Once parked it was then time to go and register and collect the Run information pack which includes the planned route, a plaque to display on the front of your vehicle and a few souvenirs care, of Land Rover.

M40 and onto the A429 to a couple of small villages called Wellesbourne and Kineton before arriving at Gaydon which took just under an hour to drive. One of the highlights of the drive has to be the people young and old, out on the pavements in the villages we drove through waiting for the cavalcade to pass All waving with large smiles as we passed them by and happy to receive a wave in return.

This years cavalcade included the first LR3 driven by our own chairman Peter Greenway, which he was able to display on the club stand at Gaydon

On arriving at Gaydon the cavalcade was reassembled at the top of the main road leading down to the museum. While we where waiting one of the police out riders got a little concerned with the amount of traffic still trying to enter the site and blocking the main road. To say he lost his cool with the marshals would probably be an understatement and they where soon running around moving bollards and squeezing cars on to every bit of spare space available.

Anyway it wasn’t too long before we all made the grand entrance down the hill. We even got to drive around the Heritage museum and down the hill again for some unknown reason, so giving everybody another chance to see the cavalcade. along side his (or should I say his good ladies) new D3. The main group of Discovery’s were made up of ten, including standard modified and a Camel Trophy.

On leaving the car park we drove past the Home of the Legend building for photographs and a drive past HUE 166, commonly known as Huey the first production Land Rover. As I was to be the first Discovery and not having read Tulip style directions before I took the decision to try and keep up with the last of the Range Rovers which happened to be driven by Neil Brownlee.

After the grand entrance the Discovery’s joined the ranks on the club stand making a good display of what must have been nearly twenty disco’s with two D3’s taking centre stage drawing in plenty of visitors.

Bill Jones #1435

Then it was time to hit the open roads. The route followed the A41 and A4141 down towards Warwick. Then over the

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Puzzle Page

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a German dog most Land Rovers have one Tempest TD5 engine birthplace of a legend(2) very small bird St David for....... spin off from Casualty(2) where can The Rovers be found(2) the art of capturing an image a chip for a camera(2) Scotlands St. ....... a Land Rovers nickname Land Rovers best4x4xfar april 23rd(3) a soap from the Dales Discovery or bird St. ........patron Saint of Ireland Southern soap a source of power Tempest V8i engine

MERCHANDISE UPDATE As you may have already noticed, the items that are available from the club shop have been severely reduced in this issue of Discourse. This should only be a temporary measure; hopefully by issue 21 the available stock will be back up to a more impressive display. When I took over the duties of merchandising officer recently, my first stock check soon revealed that many items were already sold out and that many others were few in number. I and the other members of the committee also feel that it is time that we started looking at new lines anyway and so an intensive search has begun to source new lines of clothing and other club memorabilia.

A new range of club stickers has already been kindly provided by one of our members, so look out for some new items there. A new style of tax disc holder has also been sourced which I feel is a big improvement on the current design. I am currently busy getting samples made up of baseball caps, fleeces, T-shirts, polo shirts and work shirts all featuring a two colour embroidered DOC logo. I also hope to introduce a few “limited edition” items for a bit of fun, so watch out for those. Further plans are also under way to bring the club shop into the 21st Century and make items available for purchase online at our website.

If you have any suggestions for something you’d like to see available, why not send me an email to clubshop@discov eryownersclub.org.

Jon “jono” Hunt Merchandising Officer

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Discovery Owners Club Merchandise

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1. T-shirt Short sleeves, available in Black / Green.

Sizes S,M,L,XL. £10.00

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Sizes S,M,L,XL. £16.50

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Send this form (or a copy) along with payment payable to “Discovery Owners Club” to: Jon Hunt, 236a Bromwich Road, St Johns, Worcester. WR2 4BE. United Kingdom. email enquiries: clubshop@discoveryownersclub.org

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Events Calendar

Events 2005 MAY 2005 May 21-22 South West Off Road Show Taunton *May 28-30 Smallwood vintage rally Sandbach Ches. *May 28-29 Classic car & transport show Ragley hall Warwickshire *May 28-30 ARC National. *May 30 Yorkshire Classic car and 4x4 spares Show Ripley Castle Yorkshire JUNE 2005 Jun 18-19 LRW show Eastnor Castle.

Jun 25-26 Safety Devices “Rollover” Weekend.

CONTACT Paul Shapter MalcBourne SROC Roy Preston

Worcs group Safety Devices - 01353 724200

JULY 2005 July 10 Walsall classic car show Walsall Arboretum.

July 14-17 LRE show Billing Northants July 24 Beaumanor Hall classic car show

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AUGUST 2005 Aug 7 Trentham (gardens) transport festival. *Aug 13-14 Nantwich transport festival. *Aug 14 Walsall bus & commercial show Walsall Arboretum.

Aug 20-21 Vintage classic & sports car show Tatton Park Knutsford, Ches Aug 27-29 LRO show Malvern show ground Worcs

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SEPTEMBER 2005 Sept 4 Dudley classic car & transport show Himley hall.

Sept 10-11 Land Rover Fest Peterborough.

Sept 16-18 Major’s Trial Eastnor Castle *Sept 24-25 4x4 show Stoneleigh Warwickshire *Sept 24-25 Abingdon 4x4 show

Chris Gorvin Chris Gorvin -

OCTOBER 2005 Oct 2 London to Brighton run Langley farm.

Yorks group TBC

* events clash Organisers required for the other shows listed with no names attached

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Local Section Meets DEVON/CORNWALL (1)

WESSEX (9)

Contact:

Paul Shapter

Contact:

Alan Smart

Telephone:

07709939181

Telephone:

01264 772 851

Email:

Email:

Where:

The Marsh Mills, Plymouth

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The Rack & Manger, Crawley

When:

1st Tuesday of each month

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2nd Wednesday of each month

Time

8:00pm onwards

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NORTHAMPTON (2) Contact:

Neil Brownlee

Telephone: Email:

CHESHIRE Contact:

Malcolm Bourne

Telephone:

07746 078 833

Email:

events@discoveryownersclub.org

Where:

Billing Quays, Northampton

Where:

Red Lion, Barony Rd, Nantwich

When:

1st Thursday of each month

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2nd Tuesday of each month

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7:30pm onwards

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8:00pm onwards

NORTH WORCS. / SOUTH MIDLANDS (3)

NOTTINGHAM (14)

Contact:

Paul Walker

Contact:

Roger Spencer

Telephone:

07939 411 995

Telephone:

07766 222 386

Email:

vicechair@discoveryownersclub.org

Email:

Where:

The Liberal Club, Redditch

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tbc

When:

2nd Tuesday of each month

When:

tbc

Time

8:00pm onwards

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tbc

SOUTH STAFFS / N.BIRMINGHAM (4)

NORTH WEST / MANCHESTER (17)

Contact:

Lee Jones

Contact:

Kim Hollings

Telephone:

0121 603 3632

Telephone:

07831 541 245

Email:

k.hollings1@ntlworld.com

Where:

tbc

Where:

The Railway PH, Stockport

When:

tbc

When:

2nd Wednesday of each month

Time

tbc

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8:00pm onwards

Email:

KENT (12)

YORKSHIRE (16)

Contact:

Don Hoaglin

Contact:

James Woods

Telephone:

07714 696 270

Telephone:

07801 923 563

Email:

kentlsr@discoveryownersclub.org

Email:

DragonOak@aol.com

Where:

Black Lion, Southeet

Where:

tbc

When:

First Wednesday of each month

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tbc

Time

7:30pm onwards

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tbc

SCOTLAND (20) Contact:

Mark Hooghiemstra

Telephone:

01307 830 441

Email:

scotslsr@discoveryownersclub.org

Where:

tbc

When:

tbc

Time

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Photograph Courtesy of James Wood