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of the stories children needed to have. As the context
57), all the way back to Sesame Street. He explained
shifted, so too must the text. Later, by the time kids are
how one of the early programmes had a winter scene
actively buying merchandise, scarlet fever is no longer
in with Grouch needed mittens, but the ones on the
a terrifying reality, polio is a thing of the past and new-
programme weren’t right, but it just so happened that
born babies come home healthy from the hospital.
Peter’s family lived just down the hall from the pro-
gramme’s costumer designer so the most important
The children born in the second half of the 20th
show made in America over the past 50 years actually
century were truly modern, he continued. Things
featured his mother’s fingerless gloves.
didn’t happen to them. Instead they and the adults
around them made things happen for them. What’s
He cited the year 1928, the year that everything
more, when rebooted, The Little Mermaid no longer
changes for the stories we tell children. Two reasons.
had to suffer for a prince whose legs burn with fire.
First reason is the discovery of penicillin, which
In fact she thrives.
changed the way the world operated, the first truly effective antibiotic. Doctors finally had a tool that
But where are we now? “[As an academic] I get the
would cure patients of deadly infections. What else
people that you entertain ten years after you’ve
was happening? Walt Disney is coming into his
got to them,” he said and he suggested a different
own. He takes the design for his Oswald Rabbit and
theme: Hello Family, referring firstly however to the
decides to shorten and round off the ears to create
$5billion business of the Fast and Furious family,
Mickey Mouse.
then the $20billion+ Marvel Avengers cash-cow
family. These are, he pointed out, disparate families
Peter described the world before 1928. It was a world
who don’t look like one another and quite often
in which sex and disease/death are intimately linked.
don’t even come from the same planet. But they
It is also the world of the fairy tale, in which death is at
build off “a base need for a child in pursuing this
the core and in which children regularly lose siblings.
sense of extended and extendable family.” But the
It is why Red Riding Hood gets eaten, why The Little
viewers of these enormous juggernauts remain
Match Girl perishes and The Little Mermaid suffers
solidly independent consumers. “These two biggest
together with a prince “on legs that burn like fire.”
franchises (Fast and Furious and Marvel Avengers) are all about family, yet they are perfect for our
What of 1929 and after? In essence Walt understands
neo-liberal consumer capitalist moment which
the change viscerally, Peter commented. He wouldn’t
creates the atomised and automatised lone consumer
necessarily trace it back to penicillin but what he
who cannot connect, and has no way of creating
would say that there was an ethical change in terms
solidarity with others outside the online spaces.”
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He underlines that now was a remarkable moment to
to go out in their Batman or Han Solo or Incredibles
look at how the 20th Century recast children’s media
suits, wielding their light sabres, all he sees is one
and the idea of childhood in such a way that stuff was
corporate mono-culture.
done for rather than to children.
He talked about three figures who were very im-
He repeated that it feels like there should be a demand
portant to him, Marshall McLuhan (who invented
for solidarity among and within the family but we are
media studies and the word ‘allatonceness’ which
only getting this “via the corporate mono-culture.”
referenced the world wide web before its invention),
the critic and novelist Susan Sontag who radically ex-
He therefore referenced both Spiderman: “with great
panded the purview of story-telling, and his colleague
power there also comes great responsibility,” and
Brenda Laurel, a veteran of children’s media and
Octavia Butler, the great sci-fi writer “who is never
founder of the Purple Moon company. “Brenda didn’t
bound by genre”. She said, “My characters hope for
like being known as an artist or a writer, she liked
better lives. They struggle to do things that they
being known as a cultural worker.” She wants, he said,
believe will make their lives better, make our species
to do big things with media that exist in a wider space
more likely to survive…” He further illustrated this
(she had a beef with the avant garde insofar as she
sentiment by showing a slide of Extinction Rebellion
wanted to bring in ideas in a way that would not acti-
at Glastonbury whereby 100s of people formed to
vate “an automatic immune system” in the audience
create an ER sign: “It’s not just that we want to do
to its aloof content).
things for our children, we want to make sure that our children are doing things with us to make the world and our lives better,” he concluded.
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she would have to up her game, because that was
couver-based company Big Bad Boo, just launched
the home of The Handmaid’s Tale. She searched out
on the Hulu SVOD platform in the US. This was the
a specific look for the show, one of the highest quality,
first Hulu original in the kids’ category. Big Bad Boo
such as that of a Disney feature from the 60s - painted
mainly does 2D animated TV series. The flagship
images that draw you in, juxtaposed with very bright
show 1001 Nights is airing in around 80 countries
characters that jump off the page.
right now after two seasons. Shabnam also oversees a curriculum programme that she implements with
She also wanted to “re-programme” how people think
partners like Unicef and UN Women in schools and in
of societal norms, such as gender, hence “Queen and
refugee camps. They are reaching approximately half
King” and the naming of characters – “names belong
a million refugee children with the specific education
to people not genders.”
programme associated with 1001 Knights.
Company crew and cast is always gender-balanced
The story of The Bravest Knight was originally
as is the writer’s room, and she is determined
a digital story book about a young pumpkin farmer
to find writers from the cultures she is representing
who wanted to be a knight. He works his way up
on screen. If necessary, she will bring them in and
and eventually saves a prince and a princess from
train them up. “We invest in changing the media
a dragon and brings them back home to the Queen
landscape by giving back and bringing writers in that
and King (important reversal) who ask if he wants
we can train, so that next time around when someone
the daughter’s hand in marriage. He refuses for the
is looking for a Chinese writer, for example, there is
prince, and they get married.
somebody there.”
Now the boys are married and have adopted a girl
She has received great feedback for the show, much
who also wants to be a brave knight like her dad.
from same sex parents who have never before been able to enjoy this type of content. Nevertheless she
In every episode there is a knighthood lesson,
has also received a lot of hate comments from the
such as how to be a good swimmer, so there is a
Christian right (generally adults). There is much
flashback to his boyhood, which is a great way to
to-ing and fro-ing in the Facebook chat, “and that is
introduce issues of LBGTQ in a kids environment.
exactly why we did the show, to open up the conver-
Other characters include Grunt the Troll who has lost
sation. If you want to quote the bible, let’s have it!”
his bridge, and over the 13 episodes we meet the vil-
lains you would meet in fairy tales. “Only our villains
Hulu launched the first five episodes in June 2019
are just misunderstood. For example you meet the
as part of a Pride campaign and Hulu promised
Big Bad Wolf who is a cross dresser in our show, and
to donate $50,000 to the Trevor Project (which
is played by Ru Paul.” Shabnam looks to attach lots of
prevents suicides in LGBTQ community, which is very
great recognisable names to the show. “We take extra
commonplace) if the show had 50,000 views in the
love in casting the characters, and our mission has
first 4 weeks. They got 50,000 views in the first 4 days!
always been to show characters that are not normally shown on television… the content is inclusive and
Feedback from children: “Kids don’t even think about
representative of the life that is around me.”
this stuff. They don’t see any of the issues that are discussed at very adult tables.”
The artwork was very important to Shabnam and
when she heard that she would be on Hulu she knew
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At MIPCOM the first international sale of the show
They are a very small company with next to no
was to Israel. “I was born in Iran. It was in my mind
budget for research and focus groups. “I wish I had
that the first sale would be to Holland, somewhere
that luxury. But I do have kids who have friends and
up in the west of Europe. But it was down here in the
we run the stories by them plus the songs, but it is
Middle East.”
very ad hoc and by the seat of our pants.”
Shabnam outlined how a problem in selling the series
Did she brainstorm the issues that had to be
is that traditional broadcasters need 26 x11, so a
addressed in the film? “Daniel, the writer of the
lot of digital platforms can carry the show, “but the
original book, wrote all the scripts and he weaved
broadcasters who love, love, love it, they say we need
all these great things into the show without even
season 2, which means that I have to wait another
knowing he was doing it.” When Shabnam read the
5000 years.”
scripts she felt that what they were trying to do was more than the show. “It was bigger than anything
Why so? Hulu was very recently bought by Disney
I had ever done and that was when I decided I had
which means everything becomes a committee
to up the art. I have to up the characters. I need
decision which slows down the whole process, she
a star cast. It was a combination of Daniel wanting
felt, and there may be a question mark over how
to tell the story and me wanting to shine the spot-
commercial the shop might be from a merchandising
light on what we are trying to do. It is the first time
perspective. “Disney typically push their own brands,
any one is doing a show like this so it needs extra
but because we own the IP for The Bravest Knight
attention and extra love.”
then they may push it to the bottom.”
O REP T R RT OR EP E T R RT PO R O RE T P R O T R R E P T O P R OR REPO T RE RT R ORT EPO REP T RE RT POR R PO RE T R O REP TBALOJI T R R T KEYNOTE: O P R O E T R P E P R O R R E T R O E P R O RE TBaloji E Tthe afternoon R gave R actor/musician/artist Belgium-based P T R O P R R O E R E Forum. P film T O keynote O P at Industry R RT R E T R He stars in the Cinekid opening E P O T P R R E P T R O P R O E T R R with E P RE RTBINTI,O together his daughter Bebel. P R PO RE T R T R E O P R O E T E T R RT PO P R P P R E R O E R O E T R R E P R RT O O P R R E T R E T P O P R RT O R O E R E P O T P R R E P T O E T R R PO P R E T R E P R PO RE T R R O T R R E O P R PO RE RT R ORT PO REP T RE RT OR EPO E T P T O O P R R R E R R E P O T P R R PO RE RT R ORT PO REP T RE RT OR EPO E T P T O O P R RT R E R R E P O T P R R O RE T R RT O E T P R PO R R E O P R O RT POR REP T RE RT R ORT EPO REP T RE RT E T P R PO R O T R R E R O P R E T P T OR EPO RE T R RT PO R E P R PO RE T R RT OR E T R E O R T R ORT EPO REP T RE RT POR EPO REP RT R P R PO RE T R RT PO T R R E O R E R RT O O O P E R R RT O P P E P R P E O E T R E T T TR P R PO REP T R E R R E R O R E O R RT O R RT P R EP T R E O O P R T O RE T R RT O P PO P R R P E E E T P T TR O R R E EPO E R P R O T R R E T O OR P P R T TR O R P E E R O P E R R R R RT O P PO P TR R E T E T P OR REPO T RE RT R OR RT R T RE REPO POR ORT P PO E EP R O E R T R O T P R O O R P R E T E R E T TR O REP T R EP EPO OR RT R R R O OR T TR P R T R O T P R E R O P E EP R P T TR O OR E R O R P E R P PO R E EP T TR R R E T R O R R O T PO R RT P E EP R R E T R O T TR P PO E EPO OR RT E R R E R R T R O P R RT E EP T TR E EPO OR RT R O R P OR ORT T R REP EPO ORT RT R T RE EPO POR P POR RT T R REP PO OR RT R RE EP E E EP R RE O OR T TR T R O P R R P PO E EP T TR R RT E T R O R R O R P E T R O R P E Baloji started by explaining the meaning of his name.
For the past six or seven years Baloji has been a
It is Swahili and denotes a lead sorcerer, the one “who
writer/director on several shorts and features, but
takes the power” and is the equivalent of “devil” or
he pointed out how he always gets rejected by film
“demon.” In the past it has been a very difficult name
commissions because he is a musician, and for most
to bear, he said, and he tried to it from his passport.
commissioners he should stick to that. It subsequent-
But this process would have cost €5000, so he refused.
ly became very difficult for him to exist as an artist, other than as a musician, because of the way the
However, when he became a rap artist, the name
system is structured.
kind of worked for him. “I decided it would be a nice way of calling myself an artist, and in a way it has
Nevertheless he showed us a clip from his music vid-
had a big impact on the person that I am today and
eo Zombies for which he very recently received a UK
on the relationship with my kid, and on my art as a
Music Video Award. The work is magical realist and
musician. It allows me to be extremely free. There
he is working on a feature in the same vein.
has never been any expectation of me in my life as I
grew up without a mum and I came to the Europe at
the age of four, and this helped me to find my place in this experience.”
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At an early age Baloji left for Belgium with his
cult given he is 1.98 metres. Also, “as a black person
father, leaving behind his Congolese mother. Feeling
it is difficult to get a job in cinema - the random one,
estranged after falling out with his dad and getting
the good friend, the guy coming from jail or the guy
into trouble with the police, he left home and lived in
doing the garbage. It is a serious problem, because
a youth detention centre. He explained how he was
if you receive a script and if it doesn’t mention that
subsequently told that “if you don’t grow up with peo-
this character is black, that means that it is designed
ple that love you, or tell you that they love you, then
for a white person. It may sound clichéd but it is an
you are not going to be capable of loving in return.”
important issue… we need [greater] nuance.”
This was, he stressed, “complete bullshit”. His rela-
tionship with his daughter proves very much to the
When he first read the script for BINTI, it seemed like
contrary. “I just want her to be herself, to learn hard
the same old story. He was asked to play a refugee,
and to be loved. It is the only thing to teach kids, to be
but what made it very interesting was that the main
as they are and not push them to be an extension of
character was very close in age to his daughter Bebel,
our own dreams or achievements as a grown-up.”
who was perfect for the role. She is very media literate, just like the character in the film. When he suggested
Baloji concluded by stressing the maxim that he applies
to director Frederike Migom that she should cast the
to his professional life, and to the life of his daughter
father/daughter combo she was at first sceptical, but
Bebel: “I truly believe that if you can see yourself free
when she agreed he was “extremely proud.”
and emancipated on screen you can project yourself free and emancipated in your actual life.”
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He learns experientially, “so it was so much more
table directly to the Medialab where they could enjoy
interesting for me to see what Tesla’s studio looked
his VR project Eden’s Adventure first hand, before
like, rather than read it.” It is much more positive
getting down to talk about it. The problem was that
and memorable when you are actually a part of it,
we all jumped a long queue that contained a lot of
he added. Also, he has an art-based aesthetic (he
expectant kids – and their dads.
loves and studied Caravaggio) but he lost the love for art itself when he was involved in “the economy of
Nevertheless we all experienced the delightful VR
art”, and having to make flat 2D works. Which is why
which presented a little girl (Eden, named after
working in VR is so exciting because he is continually
Abner’s own daughter) as she discovers the world
breaking new ground.
in all its facets and across many ages.
“This is a storybook not a video game, all hand-
When we returned Abner explained his modus
drawn,” and developed on his computer. It is
operandi in creating the VR, hand-drawn using Tilt
multilingual with voice-overs in a multitude of
Brush. His assignment was initially, he explained, to
language. The artwork is simple but he is not
do a work about anthropology and technology. “The
concerned about its simplicity. “The deeper I got into
idea was given to me, so that was great. I love when I
fine art the more I found myself trying to change who
get a concept that I can work with because then the
I am, which was a really big mistake. But fortunately
world is open to me. And as an artist I always work
I was able to bring it back.”
with happy endings so already I have these con-
straints, but constraints for me are very good. Some
He showed us his HMKV Dortmund installation:
of my favourite directors use constraints to open
The Lottery which told the story of “the world’s
other rainbows. Happy endings, never negativity.”
biggest loser” in which the clown costumes of the
actors on stage had to be worn by audience members
He realised that all the people working in technology
too. “It was truly immersive. You were a part of the
seemed to be men, which he set out to address.
story. It made me view the viewer as the artwork,
“I wanted Eden to be in a world that could inspire
more than the core art itself.”
her.” He wanted her experience to be time-based
and chronological, starting in the Stone Age, going
He was asked about the singular experience of VR?
through to Ancient Egypt, onto Nikola Tesla, then to
How can it be more inclusive, more sharing?
the computer age, then under water, up into space
“I believe that new technology is far more social than
and back in to the classroom (his daughter’s real
any other art form,” he countered. “You are never
classroom). He wanted every adventure to be funny
doing it alone… For me I don’t believe there is
but with time restrictions applied, hence he had to
anything solitary about it, from the maker to the
kill a lot of his darlings.
observer. Everything that you are experiencing has been touched by millions of people.”
Another participant explained their collective
experience in watching a Laurie Anderson VR.
“You have those minutes by yourself, the same
experience as others, and afterwards you discuss what you saw, through word or social media.”
O REP T R RT OR EP E T R RT PO R O RE T P R O T R R E P T O P R OR REPO T RE RT R ORT EPO REP T RE RT POR O REP T R RT OR EPO RE T R R T P O R P E T P R O T R R E R O E P R E R PO RE T R RT O P T R R O E R E T T O O REP T R RT P R R E P O P R RE RT R ORT EPO REP T RE RT POR EPO REP O REP T R RT OR EPO RE T R RT P P RE RT OR EPO REP T R RT POR EPO RE O REP T R RT OR EPO RE T R RT PO P E T P R PO RE O T R R E O P R E T R PO RE T R RT O P R R O E O E P R O P E T R RT PO P R RT OR EP E R T O P R R E T R PO RE T R RT O P R R O E O E P R P P R RT OR EPO RE T R RT PO E T O T P R R P O E T R R E R O T P R R O RE T R RT O E T P R PO R R E O P R O RT POR REP T RE RT R ORT EPO REP T RE RT E T P R PO R O T R R E R O P R E T P T OR EPO RE T R RT PO R E P R PO RE T R RT OR E T R E O R T R ORT EPO REP T RE RT POR EPO REP RT R P R PO RE T R RT PO T R R E O R E R RT O O O P E R R RT O P P E P R P E O E T R E T T TR P R PO REP T R E R R E R O R E O R RT O R RT P R EP T R E O O P R T O RE T R RT O P PO P R R P E E E T P T TR O R R E EPO E R P R O T R R E T O OR P P R T TR O R P E E R O P E R R R R RT O P PO P TR R E T E T P OR REPO T RE RT R OR RT R T RE REPO POR ORT P PO E EP R O E R T R O T P R O O R P R E T E R E T TR O REP T R EP EPO OR RT R R R O OR T TR P R T R O T P R E R O P E EP R P T TR O OR E R O R P E R P PO R E EP T TR R R E T R O R R O T PO R RT P E EP R R E T R O T TR P PO E EPO OR RT E R R E R R T R O P R RT E EP T TR E EPO OR RT R O R P OR ORT T R REP EPO ORT RT R T RE EPO POR P POR RT T R REP PO OR RT R RE EP E E EP R RE O OR T TR T R O P R R P PO E EP T TR R RT E T R O R R O R P E T R O R P E Yes, there is a solitary element, Abner agreed, but he referred to new systems now which can be shared
and in which you can observe your neighbour in VR. But he reiterated that he feels VR is, essentially, a collective medium.
“Eden’s Room is filled with a 100 female artists and
posters,” he added. “Tesla’s room is fascinating, and did you see The Beatles and the Yellow Submarine?
It is a storybook, that’s how I treated it.” And how did he overcome the feelings of nausea kids sometimes feel in a VR? “I made sure that with any part of
movement, you are at the centre. It’s about you. It’s about the audience.”
O REP T R RT OR EP E T R RT PO R O RE T P R O T R R E P T O P R OR REPO T RE RT R ORT EPO REP T RE RT POR R PO RE T R O REP THE T R R T PUSHING LIMITS O P R O E T T R P E P R O R R E T R O E P R O de RBoeck E T discussed R Ovesen R PKato Young filmmakers and Fanny E P T R O R R O E T R Eabout kids P with T O theirEshort O very P films R RT R E T R but which were made much P O T P R R E P T R O P R O E T R R E P RE RTan adult audience in mind. O REP T R RT OR EPO RE T R P O E T P R PO REP T R RT OR EP R E O R E T P R RT O O P R R E R E P O T P R R O E T R EP T RE RT POR EPO REP RT R ORT POR REPO E T R PO RE T R RT O P R R O E O E P R O P E T R RT PO P R RT OR EP E R T O P R R E T R PO RE T R RT O P R R O E O E P R P P R RT OR EPO RE T R RT PO E T O T P R R P O E T R R E R O T P R R O RE T R RT O E T P R PO R R E O P R O RT POR REP T RE RT R ORT EPO REP T RE RT E T P R PO R O T R R E R O P R E T P T OR EPO RE T R RT PO R E P R PO RE T R RT OR E T R E O R T R ORT EPO REP T RE RT POR EPO REP RT R P R PO RE T R RT PO T R R E O R E R RT O O O P E R R RT O P P E P R P E O E T R E T T TR P R PO REP T R E R R E R O R E O R RT O R RT P R EP T R E O O P R T O RE T R RT O P PO P R R P E E E T P T TR O R R E EPO E R P R O T R R E T O OR P P R T TR O R P E E R O P E R R R R RT O P PO P TR R E T E T P OR REPO T RE RT R OR RT R T RE REPO POR ORT P PO E EP R O E R T R O T P R O O R P R E T E R E T TR O REP T R EP EPO OR RT R R R O OR T TR P R T R O T P R E R O P E EP R P T TR O OR E R O R P E R P PO R E EP T TR R R E T R O R R O T PO R RT P E EP R R E T R O T TR P PO E EPO OR RT E R R E R R T R O P R RT E EP T TR E EPO OR RT R O R P OR ORT T R REP EPO ORT RT R T RE EPO POR P POR RT T R REP PO OR RT R RE EP E E EP R RE O OR T TR T R O P R R P PO E EP T TR R RT E T R O R R O R P E T R O R P E Provence was Belgian Kato’s first film. The film
The table found it highly encouraging that Kato tested
derived from her experiences during a summer
the limitations of the kids market in her graduation
holiday when she was 11. She had a great relationship
film. “Sometimes the kids’ genre is just too infantile,”
with her older brother but that summer things began
said one, welcoming the director’s approach. Another
to change. He was obviously carrying a secret that
referred to it as “a film without filters” and another
other people knew, but she didn’t. That secret was
that it “can open dialogues” more effectively.
that he was falling in love with another boy, and he
Fanny Ovesen commented how the feelings in the
couldn’t divulge this to her. But she was young, and
film were expressed in a very nuanced way, through
couldn’t understand the limited communications she
gazes and gestures and therefore challenged audi-
was getting from him.
ences on an emotional level. “It’s like modern art,’ said another contributor. “It’s not like art is made
She told this story to her tutor at film school who
for children or adults, but we go there. They may not
strongly advised her to tell this story on celluloid,
understand Mondriaan in a way an adult will, but it
but she wanted her story not to be about a boy discov-
is something they will see and think about.”
ering he is gay, rather about a girl losing her childhood. What does it mean and what can we as adults learn
Fanny Ovesen’s She-pack was her graduation film
from this? A story told totally from her perspective, with
which centres on a group of 11-year-old girls cele-
no adult input at all in its telling, but still with an adult
brating a birthday at a public pool disco. One girl
audience in mind. “Families are very much on their own
challenges the alpha status of one of the other girls
with their habits, but when you want to show things
and eventually the “game” escalates into an explosive
falling apart, a holiday is the best way to show it…
situation where things quickly get out of control.
“When I show it to children they never expect that he
Ovesen was sick of the cutesy depiction of innocent
is actually in love with a boy, so at the Q and A’s they
little girls, who are seldom allowed to behave like
ask who he is in love with [as this is never explicit],
“assholes”. She chose 11-year-olds on the cusp of
but for us as adults we know what things mean.
change and yet to develop a mental compass in a
Children need more explicit dialogue.”
situation where things can easily get out of control.
It would be interesting, she said, to see how an audience
The adult aspect is further underlined by nudity and
would respond to a group of small girls growing from
the depiction of masturbation, as shown in a further
cute and innocent into distasteful and threatening, and
sequence. The film is based on memory, and no child
uncomfortable to watch as especially as the two alphas
ever seemed overly concerned by this, Kato said.
“feed on the urge to explore their power”.
Instead they tried to comprehend the narrative
questions. The naked bodies of the older people
She quoted form her notes before the film’s
around the lake represented the clear delineation of
realisation: “We are not operating in the children’s
age and sensuality, and the emphasis of the film on
film genre. I believe that the political questions we
childhood. These were themes more easily understood
want to raise will resonate better with adults. It would
by adult audiences, she felt.
be wonderful if kids and teenagers can appreciate the film, maybe they can even understand it differently
She had great freedom making this film at film school
from adults. We will not moralise and thoughts on
where there were no market constraints, and she felt
what the film wants to say should arrive as a reflection
she could do what she wanted to do.
afterwards. It is supposed to be an emotional ride, rather than an intellectual one.”
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to be girls exploring the boundaries of femininity.
genre and any notion that the audience must be
What can femininity be? It can be both pulling a doll
“guided by the hand” as the story is presented.
apart or very gently touching a woman’s stomach and
She drew a distinction between two type of films
showing curiosity and compassion.”
for kids, those that offer a clear message and those that ask questions to instil a sense of reflection.
One of her references points was The Lord of the Flies.
In her film she avoided talking down to children and
It was in Fanny’s director’s concept, but she wanted
underestimating their capacity to process this kind
to put a twist on that theme rather than present the
of content. She ended up with a film that divided
dreadful spiral we see in the William Golding story.
adults, half of whom think of it as a kids’ film, half
There is an optimism in her film and many people
of whom say they would never show it to their kids.
also see it as liberating.
The film screened in Berlin Generation, and created
At the Cinekid screening she was concerned about
a strong response among the kids. At the Q and A the
two 9-year-olds who objected to the underdog Alpha
questions were ‘why’ the characters would act in the
aspirant being invited to the pool part in the first
way, or do the things, they did in the film. One boy
place, upsetting the equilibrium.
of 12 asked why they made such a perverted film,
referring to the scene in which the she-pack try to
One guest felt that we underestimate children,
remove the towel of an old man in the sauna. “The
even as young as nine, and that we shouldn’t fear their
moral of the film doesn’t come from the film itself but
emotional reaction. Growing up is about recalibration
rather the processing of the film together with others,
according to shifting boundaries. Another thought that
either kids their own age or with adults.”
kids are on a continuum and are not always yet ready for all content, arguing that sometimes kids can be
We saw a very tense scene where the girls seem to
threaten a pregnant woman only to be intrigued by her bump, placing their palms on it. “We wanted it
offered too much a little too early in their development.
O REP T R RT OR EP E T R RT PO R O RE T P R O T R R E P T O P R OR REPO T RE RT R ORT EPO REP T RE RT POR P R PO RE T R OSTORY T R R E T THE IS O P R O E T T R R R P E P R O R E T R O E P R O RE T R RT O E R COUNTS P T R P R WHAT O E R E T T O O REP T R RT P R R E P O P Epodcaster P T OR CEEPTinkercast, R RHalpern-Ranzer, O R E T R P RE RTMeredith O REP T R RT OR EPO RE T R P O E T P R PO REP T R RT OR EP R E O R E T P R RT O O P R R E R E P O T P R R O E T R EP T RE RT POR EPO REP RT R ORT POR REPO E T R PO RE T R RT O P R R O E O E P R O P E T R RT PO P R RT OR EP E R T O P R R E T R PO RE T R RT O P R R O E O E P R P P R RT OR EPO RE T R RT PO E T O T P R R P O E T R R E R O T P R R O RE T R RT O E T P R PO R R E O P R O RT POR REP T RE RT R ORT EPO REP T RE RT E T P R PO R O T R R E R O P R E T P T OR EPO RE T R RT PO R E P R PO RE T R RT OR E T R E O R T R ORT EPO REP T RE RT POR EPO REP RT R P R PO RE T R RT PO T R R E O R E R RT O O O P E R R RT O P P E P R P E O E T R E T T TR P R PO REP T R E R R E R O R E O R RT O R RT P R EP T R E O O P R T O RE T R RT O P PO P R R P E E E T P T TR O R R E EPO E R P R O T R R E T O OR P P R T TR O R P E E R O P E R R R R RT O P PO P TR R E T E T P OR REPO T RE RT R OR RT R T RE REPO POR ORT P PO E EP R O E R T R O T P R O O R P R E T E R E T TR O REP T R EP EPO OR RT R R R O OR T TR P R T R O T P R E R O P E EP R P T TR O OR E R O R P E R P PO R E EP T TR R R E T R O R R O T PO R RT P E EP R R E T R O T TR P PO E EPO OR RT E R R E R R T R O P R RT E EP T TR E EPO OR RT R O R P OR ORT T R REP EPO ORT RT R T RE EPO POR P POR RT T R REP PO OR RT R RE EP E E EP R RE O OR T TR T R O P R R P PO E EP T TR R RT E T R O R R O R P E T R O R P E Meredith explained how, as a third grader, she had
Tinkercast was founded in 2017 to create podcasts
a tape recorder that she would use to record sounds
and 360-degree experiences for families and schools
from her neighbourhood and then play then back to
to come together “beyond the screen”.
her classmates to guess what they were listening to. Then she acquired a VCR and filmed her friends all
“Our mission is to share amazing stories that are
the time, editing on an edit-suite. When it came to
happening in the world and to give hope and agency,
thinking about college she knew she wanted to be
and have people saying ‘Wow’, and we want to inspire
a maker, and decided upon editing. When she did a
kids to be the Tinkers and thinkers of tomorrow.”
children’s media course, everything clicked for her.
Her partners Guy Laz and Mindy Thomas were very
After college, she wrote on Sesame Street and then
much of the same mind as Meredith. They all felt there
worked as an in-house editor, working across all
was a way to inspire hope and optimism and to give
departments from games to co-pros to research
kids agency in the world through audio content. At
and marketing to the programme itself, basically
that time there was no breakthrough podcasts for kids.
“for anybody who wanted to tell their story”.
“For me the most amazing thing about podcasting…
“For me editing is storytelling, it’s where it all comes
is that you are co-creating. There is a deep act of
together, you figure out the pacing and how you want
co-authorship with a great potential for empathy…
to tell your story and all the pieces that come together
We are all parents and storytellers and we want
in telling that story…I still think of myself as an editor
our kids to be engaged beyond the screen and in
because I still think of myself as a storyteller.”
conversations. And we were concerned about the
news and what is happening and what it means to
After Sesame Street, she went to the new 24-hour
kids that their parents are turning off the news in
pre-school channel Sprout, by which time she was
front of them. What does that symbolise, that they
also directing and producing. She was there for ten
are not ready to hear what is happening in the real
years from 2005-15.
world, that we don’t want to have this conversation? Ultimately we believe that the kids should be part
During that time the media landscape changed
of the conversation - and it is their world.”
beyond recognition and she also had a young son.
Weirdly despite making a lot of content she wasn’t
Podcast: Wow in the World
watching a lot of content even though she and her
For Wow in the World Tinkercast goes to peer-group
son were doing a lot of other stuff together. Then
scientific journals to find new and amazing discover-
Pokémon Go came out which was really fun “but
ies that are happening in the world and then create a
he was still there with a screen in his face”. And she
narrative, a very humour-heavy character-driven tale
would despair at his not engaging with the world.
that delivers “that amazing real Wow”. It is sophisticated science intercut with a lot of humour and fart jokes,
At that time she was, herself, really into podcasts and
which the kids love. It is hosted by Guy and Mindy.
the realisation began to dawn that there was very
little out there for kids in the podcast world. Here was
Meredith played a very funny clip from the Exploding
this screen alternative. Could it be possible to devise
Ants podcast (with farts).
something that was equally compelling in an audio
setting? Something as exciting as a video or a game? “That was the challenge I was up for.”
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And it is all about the story, which must be written in
of original content and has had 35 million down-
a very visual way to allow kids “to open up their own
loads. The company is consistently number one in
visuals in terms of how they see it”. What engages
the Apple Podcast charts in the US. The podcasts are
kids is universal. They like topics, they like humour,
free and 15% of listenership is international.
and they like to have a place and a destination.
And the stories are diverse - kids are amazed at how
Why is it working? “We have tapped into something
fun science can be. Topics range from cuteness
that families can do together”. There has, Meredith
aggression to music that cheeses respond to, although
suggested, been a backlash among millennial parents
animals and poop (and farts) are the biggest draw.
to do something meaningful with their kids. 90% of
kids listen to Tinkercast podcasts with grown-ups.
Meredith brought the figures up to date to indicate
98% of parents feel that they are leaning something too.
the growth in podcast engagement. In the States right now there are approx. 145 million listeners, 12 years
And after they listen the conversation continues,
and up, so the country has hit the 50% plus mark,
Meredith pointed out. The kids want to know more,
considerably more than in Europe.
share with their friends and re-enact Guy and Mindy sequences. They have tapped into a Sesame Street
What is next? She considers Tinkercast to be a kids
style of humour where kids and adults are experiencing
media company and has devised tentacles to get it
something funny, everybody is learning and it offers
out into the world. There is a live show once a month
quality time together.
in a US city and is selling out 3000-seat theatres and putting on science music extravaganzas. They are
Kids are more creative after an audio than an
developing new subject matters, and this year
audio-visual experience, Meredith argued. They
received a grant from the National Science Foundation
are twice as likely to retain info (when compared
in the US to make podcast platforms for schools to
to reading, lectures or audio-visual). Research shows
help teachers teach science and to enable them to
they can comprehend two to three grade levels higher
think about engaged listening and its benefits.
when they hear something other than read it, as they don’t have to “break down the decoding of the words
Meredith told how car journeys and mealtimes are
that goes along with learning to read.”
the most popular communal times for families to
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All revenue streams derive from the mothership of
audience is 3-12. “With podcasting, because the
the podcast – such as the live shows. The podcast is
visuals are in their own heads, there is nothing to tell
the brand and the property and the marketing vehicle
them it is not for them. And there must be one new
for the other revenue streams to make it sustainable.
Wow takeaway per episode. The optimum length per
“We are very mission-driven and profit-driven to
episode is 25 minutes.
sustain ourselves.” Meredith underlined how they love what they are doing are not “selling out”.
There have been three seasons so far, with a new
programme placed in the feed every week. If there is
not a new episode available they will pull an episode from the library. “The company is both the content and the marketing vehicle for the podcast.”
As regards the financials, it is hard to get money to
make podcasts. “We are a unicorn in that way as we have a lot of listeners and are getting sponsorship
money. So to make it work, a few people must wear a lots of hats. The writers, hosts, producers are all playing characters to keep overheads down.”
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the film any longer than 90 minutes (Psychobitch is
Psychobitch, selected for Cinekid, both from
120 mins). And after all that, if you really are going to
production and marketing perspectives.
do it, cast somebody from the megahit TV/online hit show Skam.
The pitch was very simple: a boy falls in love with the wrong girl. Or the longer version: Marius has
But they didn’t want to do any of those things. So
to collaborate on a school project with an odd girl
how do they engage audiences without an IP or a
called Frida, who once tried to commit suicide. It all
star, especially when you as makers are closer in age
becomes complicated when they get to know each
to 40 than to 16. “We didn’t want to moralise but we
other better and start to fall in love. This moving,
still wanted to make a film about this social confor-
touching and sometimes hilarious film shows that
mity thing and put a perspective on their way of life,”
you should not be afraid to dance to a different beat
something the kids may not even recognise or see as
now and again.
a mere statistical blip.
It is a love story set in Generation Perfect, i.e. the
Director Martin was very concerned about how to
generation of kids who drink less, take fewer drugs
convert all of this to something the kids related to.
and are generally less rebellious, but who suffer
How do they see this? Not, how do we see this?
higher levels of mental health.
Another thing was choosing a small town setting in
Ruben’s approach was to work very closely with the
Norway, not Oslo like all other Norwegian films. It
writer/director Martin Lund, so he was “part of the
was important for the story but also from a marketing
project from page one”. It all began when they came
perspective that this story could have played out in
across an international study measuring social
any town or any place. It was all about how the kids
conformity which showed Norway in the Top 5
related to the story.
together with Singapore and South Korea. The report measured specifically how countries negatively
Also Martin worked very hard on creating a series of
sanction behaviour outside of the norm. Norwegians
“collective reactions” within the film, and it turned
generally see themselves as part of a free society,
into a film that kids wanted to watch as part of a
so this was quite a surprise. The production team
group. This led to great word of mouth and a desire to
figured out that this must have an impact on a
experience it collectively.
generation whose members are continually setting out to create their own identity, i.e. teens.
As importantly, it is a love story, a story about vulnerability.
In the film, Marius is doing everything right on the
outside, but we see how difficult it is to live up to this
From a marketing perspective, Ruben was told that
norm, especially if society expects that we should all
this generation are ad blockers. They are allergic to
be alike.
ads. They are not fond of being told what to watch.
Also in Norway companies are not allowed to target
The film reached an audience of more than 100,000,
online marketing to this age group. Nevertheless the
out of a potential 13-15 year audience of 150,000.
kids are high consumers of content that they can
“It became quite a blockbuster.” But they had initial
relate to.
hurdles to overcome. They were told that teenagers don’t go to the cinema any more. And if they do
So, how to get people in to the cinemas?
they only watch Marvel and certainly not original
Norwegian-scripted drama. Also, don’t use the title
After a few test screenings they had the feeling they
Psychobitch, they were advised. And do not make
had a film that would engage the interest of kids, one
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The dance challenge in the film became a viral
mo tour of the film from the south to the north (three
sensation across Norway among celebrities (Marius
hours flight away), homing in on 17 towns across the
is challenged to dance off the beat in the film). They
17 regions of Norway, arranged free screenings, plus
displayed their skills on Instagram.
they arranged school screenings. The whole youth
cast travelled on the promo tour and it became the
Also the poster was brilliant and eye-catching. The ti-
start of the word of mouth campaign.
tle of the film was contentious but when placed above the image of Frida in class pointing up, it denoted
They also had a Health Sista, a nurse at a high school
ownership on her part. If she wasn’t pointing at it she
in Norway who snapchatted about topics concerning
would have been a victim of the title. It became a vital
teenagers, such as mental and physical health issues,
component of the campaign, giving it attitude. Also,
and she became very popular, eventually quitting her
kids wore “I want to be a Psychobitch” sweaters. The
job to become a full-time snapchat nurse in Norway
potential “bomb” of the film’s title was diffused by
for teenagers.
their fore fronting it.
“We knew she had a channel to the kids, and then
The film took 2 months in the cinema to gain the
one day she came onto the set and was treated like
100,000 admissions, beating a youth film of a few
a rock star. It was amazing to see the access she had
months prior (which starred Skam actors) which
to them – they totally opened up to her. What’s more,
reached the 40,000 audience level. Exhibitors were
she loved the film, really connected with it and want-
interested by the tour and could observe audience
ed to be a close part of the promotion.”
reactions, and Ruben therefore confounded their
assumptions that kids don’t go to the cinema. Also,
The production had a policy that no adults could
there were no blockbusters to compete with. What’s
promote the film because of the “eye level” policy of
more, the tour acted as an exciting countdown to the
teenager to teenager contact, but Sista Health was the
big city releases.
exception. They didn’t see her as an adult, but as one of them (some of the topics are very serious, such as
In terms of the age of kids going to see it, the 10 and
suicide and eating disorders). “This generation is very
11-year olds seemed to be going with their parents. Kids
open for discussing such issues.”
aged 12+ said ‘no way’ to parental accompaniment.
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