Climate Discussion Group 2024 - CDG2024
Weekly Newsletter
16th November 2024
Gerald Ratzer - Host and Moderator
Professor Emeritus, McGill University, Canada
Email: gerald.ratzer@mcgill.ca
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Welcome to CDG2024 – the Climate Discussion Group.
There has been considerable activity this week and this Newsletter is a reminder of what has changed recently. To find a particular part of the discussion go to the category C1 to C7 or P1 to P6. The entries are in date order with the most recent posts at the top. The website for CDG2024 is Allaboutenergy.net.
This issue of the CDG2024 Newsletter is going to all original invitees and those who joined after the beginning in early October.
The mission of this three-to-four-month Climate Discussion Group includes:
1) An update on the state of Climate Science.
2) An update of Recommendations for Policymakers.
3) An effort to bring non-alarmist climate scientists together so we can be more effective in fighting man-made climate change alarmists and their public leaders.
The last point was well shown off this week thanks to Clintel, which has some 2,000 members around the world. The local group of Clintel in the Czech Republic organized a two-day Climate Conference. Your moderator of this discussion group (CDG2024) was one of the presenters who participated during the week. One of the posts will give you some insight into the climate debate among the presenters. While they are all members, they do not agree with each other on what is
the most important technical details. This was particularly evident when it came to formulating the final Communiqué. After much back and forth about 70% of the presenters signed the final version. Here is the cover letter from the President of Clintel, which is a good reflection of what happened during the conference. Dear friends and colleagues,
A two-day climate conference was organised by the Czech division of the international Climate Intelligence Group (Clintel) on November 12 and 13 in the Chamber of Deputies of the Czech Republic in Prague. A communiqué was drafted by the scientists and researchers who spoke at the conference. The communiqué declares that for several decades, climate scientists have systematically exaggerated the influence of CO2 on global temperature. It concludes that the imagined and imaginary “climate emergency” is at an end.
For the press release and the communiqué see: (Category C1)
The conference also revealed that there still exists a wide variety of views about the causes of climate change within Clintel. For some of the scientists at the conference, this diversity of views was a disappointing experience. In my capacity as President, I have summarised my vision on this important topic:
Clintel represents a great group of scientists who have signed the World Climate Declaration. You have all developed valuable explanations of climate change, but
none of you can claim to have the right answer. The climate system is just too complex. I consider the sometimes-large differences in the theories as a blessing for the Clintel community. Only a critical dialogue will bring us closer to the truth. In other words, we need each other's differences for progress.
The science is not settled at all. We need a diversity of theories to come closer to the truth, whatever that truth may be. By staying respectful to each other and by being grateful to be part of this diverse group of excellent scientists, we will be very successful.
Regularly, we need to let the world know our progress and we need to explain that our research results consistently show that the IPCC climate models cannot be used in climate policies. The conference in Prague was an opportunity to do just that.
It is impossible as well as unwise to make a clear communiqué that represents all our views. Such a communiqué would be incomprehensible to the outside world. I consider the Prague Communiqué an excellent summary of what was discussed over there. I hope that it will give rise to ample post-conference comments, also from Clintelscientistswhowerenotpresent inPrague.Andaboveall,Ihopeitwillinspire all of you in your current research.
Clintel plans to have a similar conference in The Netherlands in 2025.
Best regards,
Guus Berkhout, President
Here are the recent additions to the website that I think merit your attention – by category and date.
Category C1 has a behind-the-scenes view of the discussion that goes on between presenters. As mentioned in the cover letter above, these participants are all members of Clintel but display widely different views. Some think their research is the most important aspect of the climate debate to the exclusion of all others. An open mind and critical thinking are needed to extract the wisdom behind the discussion. A further example
of the discussion can be found in C6. Among the more vocal debaters were Ned Nikolov, Karl Zeller and Valentina Zharkova.
Breaking News: In case you do not watch the UAH satellite temperature record regularly, it appears that the current temperature spike is heading down. See Category C2 for a demonstration of the Scientific Method in action with the Hypothesis being confirmed by three different data sources, about the Hunga Tonga eruption in January 2022.
Terigi Ciccone has the second part of his Benefits of CO2 in category C1.
Another Climate conference which took place this week was COP29 in Baku, Azerbaijan. The IAEA has been active with some 40 events stressing the importance of clean, safe nuclear energy. This is described in Section P4.
Also recommended is the Environment section of the website at this link. It has many different sections, headed by beautiful photographs, which take you on a wonderful trip to the many different aspects of our Environment. Less technical and more inspiring!
Here are a few notes about the mode of operation of this Climate email discussion.
1. If you have not already done so, please send an email to Gerald.ratzer@mcgill.ca to say you want to participate in the moderated discussion and make a contribution or comment, as opposed to just reading the discussion.
2. Once you have decided to contribute some comments or other material, you should send a short bio and email with links to any recent articles, papers, podcasts or slide shows you have created.
3. All accepted comments will be posted online at allaboutenergy.net. Scroll down to see the Sun (click on it) or use the search feature of the website to see the CDG2024 Home page or any author by name. If the search field is
not visible at the top left-hand side of the page – try the MS Edge/Bing browser.
4. There are two threads about which we would like to hear from you -
A. The discussion of the more technical aspects of Climate – RTC (Radiation Transfer Concept) and HTC (Heat Transport Concept), including other aspects of the atmosphere, including GHGs.
B. Short bulleted Recommendations for Policymakers. These can be items associated with Net Zero, CO2 reduction, fossil fuels, etc.
5. You can opt out of this newsletter if want by sending an email to the moderator. This could be as simple as returning this email with the word “Unsubscribe” in the Subject line.
6. Afinal reminder, that contributions should be reasonably short (a page or two), but can include links to recent papers and talks that are online. Please use hotlinks, whenever possible. Click on a category like C7, which has 25 pages of comments, links and other material, to see what other people have contributed to this topic.
7. Enjoy this research on the latest thinking in Climate Science.