Climate Discussion Group 2024 - CDG2024
Weekly Newsletter 23rd November 2024
Gerald Ratzer - Host and Moderator
Professor Emeritus, McGill University, Canada
Email: gerald.ratzer@mcgill.ca
Click on hotlinks in any box to go to that topic.
Welcome to CDG2024 – the Climate Discussion Group. This Newsletter is a reminder of what has changed recently. To find a particular part of the discussion go to the category C1 to C7 or P1 to P6. The entries are in date order with the most recent posts at the top. The website for CDG2024 is hosted at Allaboutenergy.net. Once on this website scroll down to see the photo of the Sun and click on it to get to the CDG2024 Home page.
The mission of this three-to-four-month Climate Discussion Group includes:
1) An update on the state of Climate Science.
2) An update of Recommendations for Policymakers.
3) An effort to bring non-alarmist climate scientists together so we can be more effective in fighting man-made climate change alarmists and their public leaders.
Here are the recent additions to the website that I think merit your attention – by category and date.
In C2 there are a few new additions from Terigi Ciccone and Douglas Lightfoot. As we have discussed before we now think it is more important to present Science in a form that students at high school can understand, rather than dazzling readers with pages of Mathematics and Equations. Any more technical discussion will be found in the supporting material and references. One reason for this is that many technical people have not taken university-level courses in quantum mechanics, statistical mechanics and advanced Applied Mathematics. This can include welleducated engineers and many policymakers in senior government positions. If these people cannot understand the complexity of our weather and climate, then
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how can they make informed decisions on climate and energy policy?
C2, dated 23rd November, is a summary of a 13-page new article entitled.A Simplified Explanation of Climate Science for Policymakers.
The Summary is two pages long with seven main points – several of which come from the Clintel World Climate Declaration. Read the summary and I am sure you will want to read more. Once you have, you will realize that this is excellent educational material, you may have seen when you were in high school. You can now get a refresher course to remind you of those days!
C2, dated 22nd November is another more technical document from Terigi about the discussion that came out of the Clintel Climate Conference in Prague earlier this month. It also provides links to Heinz Hug and Dan Pangburn for those who want to dig deeper.
Also, in category C2 is a paper from Douglas Lightfoot, dated 24th November, entitled - Factors affecting Earth’s temperature. It explains the importance of Water Vapor (WV) in cooling our atmosphere. It shows the Water Cycle in all aspects. The importance of evaporation, the latent heat of evaporation, convection and gravity. If you have been in the Tropics, you will have seen a tropical thunderstorm develop with billowing clouds in a matter of minutes. This is covered in detail as a major component of our weather and the transport of heat towards the poles. Did you know that there are almost 2,000 thunderstorms per day? Taking this a step further, the recent hurricane Helene is dissected from an energy point of view to give some idea of how this compares to current global oil consumption.
There is a response to a question from Howard Hayden on where radiation transfer is the correct explanation and where heat transport better explains the weather processes.
In C3, dated 21st November, there is a post to a long Abstract I was asked to produce. It is a summary of my talk at the above Conference and runs to four pages. Jan-Erik Solheim in Norway asked for this, as he has a publisher (Norwegian Climate Realist) looking for material in Norwegian. I assume they will do the translation – I was asked for an English version. It might be useful if
you missed the original presentation. Clintel will be providing copies of all the talks in English and Czech when they are ready.
Over and above the actual presentations at the Prague Conference the presenters had a lively discussion between themselves. This covers not only the talks but also what should go into the final Communiqué from the conference.
Category C7 has part of the discussion which we can show you. There is a link to seven more pages for your amusement!!
If you have not seen the final communiqué it is available here.
On the policy side in P1 – you will see a letter congratulating Donald J. Trump on his re-election to US President. It is signed by over 30 Americans and will be sent out soon. The letter anticipates many changes in Climate and Energy policy because of the change of government and new nominees that have been announced so far. This change of government is expected to have a serious impact on a global basis. 2025 should be an exciting year for Climate and Energy issues.
The collection period for new material, such as papers, articles and comments is coming to a close at the end of November.
If you want to contribute – please do so this coming week. December will be used for compiling two final reports and summarizing the Recommendations for Policymakers.
Here are a few notes about the mode of operation of this Climate email discussion.
1. If you have not already done so, please send an email to Gerald.ratzer@mcgill.ca to say you want to participate in the moderated discussion and make a contribution or comment, as opposed to just reading the discussion.
2. Once you have decided to contribute some comments or other material, you should send a short bio and email with links to any recent articles, papers, podcasts or slide shows you have created.
3. All accepted comments will be posted online at allaboutenergy.net. Scroll down to see the Sun (click on it) or use the search feature of the website to see the CDG2024 Home page or any author by name. If the search field is not visible at the top left-hand side of the page – try the MS Edge/Bing browser.
4. There are two threads about which we would like to hear from you -
A. The discussion of the more technical aspects of Climate – RTC (Radiation Transfer Concept) and HTC (Heat Transport Concept), including other aspects of the atmosphere, including GHGs.
B. Short bulleted Recommendations for Policymakers. These can be items associated with Net Zero, CO2 reduction, fossil fuels, etc.
5. You can opt out of this newsletter if want by sending an email to the moderator. This could be as simple as returning this email with the word “Unsubscribe” in the Subject line.
6. Afinal reminder, that contributions should be reasonably short (a page or two), but can include links to recent papers and talks that are online. Please use hotlinks, whenever possible. Click on a category like C7, which has 25 pages of comments, links and other material, to see what other people have contributed to this topic.
7. Enjoy this research on the latest thinking in Climate Science.