Climate Discussion Group 2024 - CDG2024
Weekly Newsletter
30th November 2024
Gerald Ratzer - Host and Moderator
Professor Emeritus, McGill University, Canada
Email: gerald.ratzer@mcgill.ca
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Welcome to CDG2024 – the Climate Discussion Group. This Newsletter is a reminder of what has changed recently. To find a particular part of the discussion go to the category C1 to C7 or P1 to P6. The entries are in date order with the most recent posts at the top. The website for CDG2024 is hosted at Allaboutenergy.net. Once on this website scroll down to see the photo of the Sun and click on it to get to the CDG2024 Home page. You can also go to a category when it is a link in blue and underlined, like those below, e.g. C1.
The mission of this three-to-four-month Climate Discussion Group includes:
1) An update on the state of Climate Science.
2) An update of Recommendations for Policymakers.
3) An effort to bring non-alarmist climate scientists together so we can be more effective in fighting man-made climate change alarmists and their public leaders.
As commented by Tom Shula –“This forum has allowed me to gather thoughts on a lot of issues. It’s an open forum for expression, which didn’t exist before. I think it’s a shame input is going to be cut off.”
The initial collection period is coming to an end with this Newsletter. December will be used to write reports on the process over the last two months. If you have any final thoughts that we should consider for inclusion in the reports –please let us know next week. As above, some of the authors are already asking for an extension. Maybe we should consider a new CDG2025 for next year – with a different format. We would be pleased to hear your suggestions and how you might contribute.
Here are the recent additions to the website that I think merit your attention – by category and date.
C1 is the general category on the technical side of CDG. John Shanahan has summarized four different arguments on CO2. He explains the varied stands on the simple point that CO2 is not a pollutant but is beneficial for all life on Earth. If all the different people in this discussion could just get together on this vital point, then people and their governments can change their climate policy and avoid the huge and unnecessary costs of Net Zero. This may well happen in the USA next year.
One of the most significant statements about Climate Science was made this week by Professor Kees le Pair in Box 1, Section C1, page 5 on November 28th in his discussion with Ned Nikolov.
C2 is part of the ongoing climate discussion that was triggered by the Clintel Climate Conference in Prague. This includes comments by Kees le Pair, Guus Berkhout, Ned Nikolov and Karl Zeller, dated 29th November. Just the type of discussion we like to see. After that is a post from Douglas Lightfoot on 24th November, entitled “Factors affecting the Earth’s temperature”.
In C3 there is a link to a long and very helpful paper on “The Missing Link”, by Tom Shula and Markus Ott. There are five parts in all to this paper and it deserves your full reading and understanding. At the Prague Conference, I gave a high-level introduction to RTC (the Radiative Transfer Concept) and HTC (the Heat Transport Concept). Both RTC and HTC are needed for a full understanding of our weather and climate. RTC does not address the random heat processes that make up our weather – but does explain how the Sun’s energy crosses the vacuum of space. Once this radiation arrives at the Top of our Atmosphere (TOA) the situation gets more complex. The new link from Tom Shula and his work colleague Markus Ott brings a new look at this complexity. There is a critique of radiative transfer and why some areas, like the GHE (greenhouse effect) incorporated into the IPCC climate models, are suspect, and why they (39 out of 40 models) fail validation. Other parts of the paper are described in the 24th November post entitled – “On Spectral Radiance and its Meaning”. Also, Why Radiative Transfer is the Wrong Model for the Earth's Atmosphere.
In C3 is more follow-on material from the Clintel Conference, including further discussions by Tomas Furst and Valentia Zharkova.
Category C6 now has a new post from Tom Shula.
Category C7 has a civilized discussion with Darwin Throne, in Australia. He is a strong supporter of Ned Nikolov and the work with Karl Zeller Unfortunately, Ned has not found as much support with other presenters at the Clintel Conference and the writing of the final Communiqué. I hope the N&Z papers are read and people understand the impressive nature of finding a simple relationship that covers six very different planets and moons, based on NASA data that gives a 99.9% fit to reality.
On the policy side of the contributions is one from Marc Morano in P1, dated 28th November. This includes 10 suggestions for the incoming US government on energy and climate. Good examples of “Recommendations for Policymakers”. This includes many of the ideas proposed by Terigi Ciccone on the 27th of November. The posts from Terigi cover many more details (with links) – he has been very productive over the last week. As suggested above – the discussion is just heating up!!
In P6 there are two recent articles from the CO2 Coalition. The latest one is on the Shell Oil legal victory in the Netherlands, stressing the primacy of energy needs over climate activism. The second article takes the MAGA idea and reports on Making CO2 Great Again!
Here are a few notes about the mode of operation of this Climate email discussion.
1. All accepted comments have been posted online at allaboutenergy.net. Scroll down to see the Sun (click on it) or use the search feature of the website to see the CDG2024 Home page or any author by name. If the search
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