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IN PEOPLE’S MEMORY Carlos Basualdo in Conversation with William Kentridge
“The Things That Society Wants Us To Forget” Carlos Basualdo: You have been working on Triumphs and Laments for an extremely long time. When did the project actually begin? William Kentridge: I can’t really give an exact moment. One starting point was fourteen years ago, when Kristin Jones, the founder of Tevereterno, put me on the back of her motorino to show me a site on the Tiber River. She wanted me to participate in her public art project, which is devoted to revitalizing Rome’s urban waterfront. I think Kristin chose this 500-meter stretch of wall for me because she liked the straightness of it. She suggested that I draw a wolf on the wall, obviously a reference to the symbol of Rome. I immediately thought of a panther I had recently drawn pacing in its cage ( FIG. 1 ). I decided to make an animation of a single wolf walking backward and forward. And from the beginning I always had the desire to include a performance part in the project as well: I wanted to use the site as a 500-meter stage. I felt challenged to see whether a performance could be done along such a great length. cb
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PLATE 19 — COLA DI RIENZO / COLA DI RIENZO (no. / nr. 29)
Originally the project was going to consist of the projection of an animation, together with a performance?
( FIG. 1 ) WILLIAM KENTRIDGE, PACING PANTHER, 20003
Yes. A performative projection. I had a vision that the animation would cover the entire 500 meters, and when we did the first tests on the wall, they were beautiful. There was something fantastic about this site, because everyone can see it from both ends, even if in some ways a curve is nicer to work on because it changes as you go along. But it quickly became clear that, both in terms of the amount of time that it would take to create and in terms of the logistics, this initial idea was an impossibility. I think at the time I just didn’t have the capacity to make it work. But in a strange way, this idea eventually