Andrea Wagner, Author, How to Land Your First Paralegal Job

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Profile: Andrea Wagner, Author, How to Land

Your First Paralegal Job

[7-26-04 by Zamzam Syed] Andrea Wagner, the author of one book on how to break into the paralegal profession and one book on how to break out of it, offers a lot of helpful advice to aspiring and current paralegals who want to know what to do next.

As the author of How to Land Your First

charter members of the CACPS, the Commis-

Paralegal Job, Andrea Wagner is the perfect person to offer advice in this week’s LawCrossing Legal Staff Profile. Ironically enough, Andrea no longer works as a legal staff member; she is a Human Resources professional at the Anti-Defamation league in Los Angeles, California. But then again, she is also the author of the book Where Do I Go From Here, which is designed to help legal staff professionals transition out of their jobs and into new careers. LawCrossing was fortunate to speak with Andrea about her varied career and get some amazing career advice for our readers.

sion for Advanced CA Paralegal Specializa-

sion works. It also touches on paralegal edu-

tion. We started through the California Alli-

cation and how to choose a proper school. I

firm is set up and how a corporate legal divi-

ance of Paralegal Association; our mission

believe that these methods are applicable to

was to test experienced paralegals so they

most job searches, so this book can be used

can get advanced specialization and certifica-

for other job searches, as well. The content

tion. This was an advanced certified legal as-

of a paralegal search is different, but the

sistant examination; a paralegal would need

general techniques apply to all entry-level

around three years of experience and to have

searches.

successfully passed the CLA (certified legal assistant) examinations sponsored by NALA

Q: So where does the search start?

(National Association of Legal Assistants) to become certified.

A: Trying to decipher what type of law you want to practice is a good starting point. For

Q: How did the book come about?

example, litigation is stressful and might routinely require all-nighters and overtime,

Q: Can you talk a little about your career

A: After working in paralegal placement, a

while something like probate has a slower

path? Where did you get started in terms of

colleague of mine formed a publishing com-

pace -- there isn’t much of a rush when your

goals and training?

pany. The book started out as a handbook for

client is dead! Start out by checking out Mar-

the University of West LA to help entry-level

tindale Hubble, or another law firm search

A: I started out as a teacher. After my BA

jobseekers find work. The first edition of the

source. If you went to college, try to find

from UC Berkeley, I went on to get a Masters

book was published in 1992, and right now I

an attorney who went to that college. Write

in Theatre, and initially taught Drama. Then I

am working on the 4th edition, which is being

an alum and ask for information, look in

got my paralegal certificate at the University

published by Prentice Hall’s text book sec-

newspapers and job boards, and send out 4-5

of West Los Angeles, and went on to work

tion, Aspen Books.

resumes a week, call next week, or e-mail to

as a paralegal for a while and eventually

make sure your resume was received. E-mail

began working as a placement counselor

This is really the easiest to read and under-

is fine, but nothing works like a phone call to

for University of West Los Angeles, placing

stand book; it gets right to the point and uses

make a connection.

paralegal students and alumni into law firms.

the right blend of humor and sarcasm to get

In the mid 1980’s, when the economy was

the point across. It doesn’t read like a text

Q: What sort of qualifications do most para-

booming for law firms, I worked for one of

book, but is actually fun. I have updated it

legals have?

the first paralegal placement agencies in Los

every two or three years. The latest edition

Angeles, which was quite successful. When

contains extensive lists of internet sites and

A: Large law firms tend to hire individuals

the recession of the late 80’s - early 90’s

resources updated to reflect changes in the

with bachelors degrees and ABA-approved

hit and law firms stopped using recruiting

market. The information in the text changes

certificates, but they also hire new college

firms, I continued working on career place-

less because, how to write a good resume,

graduates who want to work in a law firm to

ment with a non-profit. Now I work in Human

when to send thank you notes or what to put

see if they want to go to law school or gradu-

Resources with the Anti-Defamation League

in a cover letter is fairly standard. How to do

ate school. If a firm is looking for a career

in Los Angeles. I taught at various paralegal

a job search does not change much. The book

paralegal, they tend to go with those who

schools for 10 years, and was one of the

further provides information about how a law

have a paralegal certificate. A person can

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get an AS degree in paralegal studies right

representing clients in front of agencies like

Should non-attorney professionals be al-

after high school, or if you have a bachelor’s

the DMV and the Workers’ Compensation

lowed to practice law? Often the middle class

degree and are serious about being a career

Board in administrative hearings. The way

can’t afford an attorney but they are not poor

paralegal, it might be a good idea to enroll

to get these jobs would be to find workers’

enough for Legal Aid. California passed leg-

in a paralegal certification program. Some

compensation attorneys and administrative

islation to provide legal document assistants,

firms will pay for the right person to get the

agencies.

who are bonded by the state to do limited legal work. This provides a safe alternative

certification while they work. Mediation is another field that former legal

for people who can’t afford attorneys.

Q: What other reflections do you have on the

professionals can choose to work in. The

Paralegal Profession?

County Bar puts on a program where non-

Q: Thanks for all this great information,

attorneys can get training in arbitration and

so any thing else to tell our readers about

A: The ABA defines a paralegal in terms of

mediation for human resources. Media-

yourself, besides this serious stuff?

what paralegals cannot do. A paralegal is

tion and arbitration are usually well-paying

always required to be supervised by an at-

careers and easy transitions for former legal

A: I love to ski, travel, and take care of my

torney; so a paralegal, despite having legal

staff professionals

two-year-old grand daughter.

knowledge, cannot practice law. The ABA says a paralegal cannot give legal advice,

Q: Any opinions on non-

cannot hire clients or make an agreement,

bar certified JD’s practic-

cannot sign legal documents, and cannot

ing as paralegals?

represent a client in court. This puts the paralegal in the support position at all times.

A: Well I knew one -- she was considered a “Super

Q: What are some of the things that parale-

Paralegal;” she was a

gals or other non-attorney legal profession-

disbarred attorney. The

als do in the legal field?

attorneys in the law firm would listen to her a lot more and she did

A: Well one could be a freelance parale-

pretty much everything the attorney did, but

gal -- that’s still a paralegal, but one who

could not sign documents and had to work

works under the supervision of an attorney

under the attorney. Most attorneys do not

on a short-term basis or project-by-project.

like to work with former attorneys since they

Usually, an individual can start out work-

can go off and retake the bar.

ing for a placement agency and then build a reputation. It requires self-marketing in an

Q: What are your reflections on the para-

effective way, but I have known people who

legal profession in general and what you’d

have done it well.

like to see for the future?

Q: Your second book is about transition-

A: I have had the opportunity to look at this

ing out of the paralegal profession, any

field from many angles, from the paralegal

thoughts on that topic?

angle and then from the outside, working on providing paralegals for attorneys, where I

A: In that book, I talk about dealing with

was in the peer position to attorneys. A lot

not-so-nice attorneys and using transferable

has changed in terms of what is required

skills to market yourself out of the paralegal

of paralegals, or legal technicians, as they

profession.

were called when I got started. Right now, California requires a paralegal certificate

A paralegal or another non-attorney profes-

and requires paralegals to maintain MCLE

sional can represent clients in administrative

credits. I think certification is good; it allows

hearings in front of a commissioner. Some

the paralegal to be more of a professional.

people have effectively made a career out of

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