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Sunday, August 17, 2014
IBB @ 73: Why It Is Difficult To Negotiate With Boko Haram
Former military president General Ibrahim Badamasi Babangida held an incisive interview with newsmen in Minna, Niger State, as part of activities to mark his 73rd birthday. The elder stateman says the military should not be used on election days and need not be seen in the streets. He spoke on other national issues. ABU NMODU was there Your Excellency, many Nigerians are saying that past leaders have not been doing much or advising the present administration on issues concerning the problem of insecurity and the impeachment processes of state governors, among others. This is an opportunity for you to say a word and advise the government.
About what we, the old generation race, are doing about the multifaceted problems confronting the country, and our advice to the leaders, I can sincerely tell you that we are doing a lot and if there are any set of Nigerians who understand the problems of this country, we are. Those of us who were opportune to be at the helm of affairs at various times in the life of this country, we know what the problem is. We appreciate what the President is doing, and the best we can do and we are always doing is to be of help or of assistance to him in forms of advice, meetings, interactions and so on. I think this is one of the luckiest countries which has got seven living heads of state including interim head of government, and we have always availed ourselves to the President. And we also appreciate the problems the President is facing. So, the best we could do is to always sit with him in an environment that is really conducive and then give him an advice. And I am glad to say that we are doing the best we can to assist him, while we urge Nigerians to be patient with Mr President. For how long should we, as citizens, continue to be patient, and is Mr President making use of your advice? And are you satisfied with the situation in the power sector?
Well, I have always said that there would be Nigeria in 1,000 years time, and therefore, everybody who has followed the history of this country would have observed that every administration from the late Tafawa Balewa period to the current situation, every administration had faced one challenge or the other during the course of their time. And this one cannot be the end, because the last administration had its own challenge too. The important thing is that we the people should strive hard to overcome the problems and then move forward. I think what is happen-
ing to us is not new in any developing country. With regards to what the government is doing about the power sector, I must say they are not doing badly; they are doing well. Again, it is a matter of patience on the part of the citizenry. We have all the machinery or the framework, and once it takes off, again the challenges we are facing now would be history. It is now over 100 days since the incident of the kidnap of over 200 schoolgirls took place, and despite assurances by the federal and state governments, including the international community, the girls are still languishing in Boko Haram dungeon. What is your take on this problem?
I am aware about what the government is doing now and I know that there are a lot of complications. It is no longer an issue that you could ask the military to move inside Sambisa forest and release these young girls. I think what Nigerians want is that they want them released and come home alive, but not dead and not through anything, but they want them alive. And this is a very genuine thinking. From my experience as a professional soldier, we need a lot of planning, a lot of cooperation, a lot of studies has to be done to achieve this objective. Either 217 or 219 or whatever the number is, is a lot of population to lose just like that. But I think the government is trying from what we got during our last briefing, and I’m quite satisfied that efforts are being made to get them released. You see, the objective is to get them out of that place alive, because the operative word is alive. If we enforce any military operation, we can get them all killed; so, the objective could be defeated. We are now witnessing a level of impunity in our body polity – the impeachment saga all over the country, the militarisation of the electoral process – as someone who was there before, what do you think of these problems?
It is still part of the learning process; you may call it impunity or any name you want, but for those of you who are observant, I think I would like to see a situation where a chief executive of a state is being accused and he is given an opportu-
nity to come forward and say; look, it is not true. He has his team of lawyers, the state house of assembly would also have their lawyers, and they should make it public so that the public gets to know what is happening, and at the end of the day, the two parties would iron out their differences.
To me, it is no longer an issue. There is a process and we have not gone through the process yet. So, why do you kill yourself arguing over the thing that has not happened. So, if you make the noise, well the government may think that the people don’t want it and as such they would not take it and find another way of doing it; that is how government operates.
In a situation whereby some state governors hide under the immunity clause to flagrantly abuse the oath of office, and yet nobody can probe or prosecute them for gross misconduct or abuse of office, what can the electorate do to correct the situation?
In the last National Council of States meeting, Niger State alone had about four representatives, because you, General Abdulsalami Abubakar, the state governor, and former chief justice of the federation, Justice Idris Legbo Kutigi were there. How do you feel?
Your observation was right, because somebody very highly-placed and an elder statesman also asked the same question. But I think it is just by accident of history that we were there. Maybe in the next 20 to 50 years, we may have another state to take over from us. Are you satisfied with the situation in the West African sub-re-
We started it; it is true, and it has been quite a long time. They are 16 independent countries with different languages and different economic policies. It takes time, because that doesn’t happen by mere conception of the idea. I believe it is an idea, the time of which is fast coming. European Union has the same problem of mass treaties, but there are still other countries who are not members of the union. Though we looked at it that way, wherever we stopped, the younger generations would take off from there. Recently, the President came up with a proposal for $1billion loan for procurement of military hardware for both the Nigerian Armed Forces and other paramilitary agencies to fight the insurgency problems plaguing the country, but Nigerians have been opposed to the idea. What is your take on it?
Babangida
Well, I pray that we would reach a time when the immunity clause is no longer an issue, although every chief executive has something in him that needs protection; he has his name, his reputation, his family and so many other things. Those are the things he should protect, not immunity that is there for one thing or the other. They supposed to remove this issue of immunity clause.
gion, especially in terms of development, security, and the idea of a single currency; and as a past chairman of the subregional organisation, what do you have to say about this?
Nigerians made same noise over a policy under your government and you retracted the policy. Now, don’t you think that in a democratic dispensation, it behooves on our leaders to once in a while respect the yearning and aspirations of the people on sensitive national issues?
It is no longer an issue that you could ask the military to move inside Sambisa forest and release these young girls. I think what Nigerians want is that they want them released and come home alive
I am sure this proposal would come to the National Assembly, and because the National Assembly has listened to you and agreed with you, maybe it would not get through. The nation is moving towards another election year and the President is determined at seeking re-election, what is your take on this?
Well, if you were in his shoes, won’t you want to come back? But if you believe in what you are doing and you are doing well, why shouldn’t you? I think we once got it right, and we can still get it right. And you guys have to get it right. I think what is lacking is what I have always referred to as the voters education; the level of understanding. So, we have not reached the stage where the ordinary voters would say no as a matter of fact their leaders have not done well, let us vote them out.
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