Vol. 11 (1991), No. 3

NEWSLETTER OF THE

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CALENDAR OF EVENTS

June 20 .. 23,1991 International Herpetological Symposium, Seattle, Washington. Contact Richard A. Ross, Institute for Herpetological Research, P.O. Box 2227, Stanford, CA 94305 (415) 941-4596 (9AM - 5PM, Pacific time).

Aug. 6 .. 11, 1991 Joint meeting of the Society for the Study of Amphibians and Reptiles and the Herpetologists' League. Includes a two"day symposium entitled "Captive Management and Conservation of Amphibians and Reptiles" on Aug. 9 .. 10. Penn State University, University Park, PA. For more infonnation, see Jo1m Moriarty.

Aug. 16-18, 1991 National Reptile Breeders' Expo, Orlando, Florida. Contact Central Florida Herpetological Society, P.O. Box 3277, Winter Haven, FL 33881.

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The purpose of the Minnesota Herpetological Society is: to further lhe education of lhe membership and the general public in care and captive propagation of reptiles and amphibians; to educate the membership and the general public in the ecological role of reptiles and amphibians; and to promote the study and conservation of reptiles and amphibians.

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MRS BOARD OF DIRECTORS PRESIDENT VICE-PRESIDENT MEMBERSHIP SECREfARY RECORDINGSECREfARY TREASURER NEWSLEITER EDITOR MEMBER-AT-LARGE MEMBER-AT-LARGE MEMBER-AT-LARGE MEMBER-AT-LARGE IMMEDIATE PAST PRES.

John Meltzer Terry Scheiber Dennis Daly Mary Ann Waldorf Marilyn Brooks Jo Anne Wetheren..MnM~~T Fred Bozvay>JAM-U"J VenceJimerson Greg Kvanbek Bill Moss JohnMoriarty

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March Meeting DATE: Friday, Apri15, 1991 TIME: 7:00 PM

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University of Minnesota PROGRAM: Turtle and Tortoise Care

This program will consist of a new video on the subject, Turtle and Tortoise Care in Captivity by Felice Rood. Following the video, a panel of MHS members will discuss the video and answer questions aftelWards.

CRITIER OF THE MONTH: Turtles and Tortoises Be sure to bring a proper container to display your animal during critter time. Venomous animals must be cleared in advance with Dan Keyler (933-2055) or Bruce Delles (420-2603 or 593-0298).

Animals are not to be displayed during the meeting except during critter of the month. Members who do not comply will not be allowed to display their animal.

Thanks From the Past President The last two years have been fun, but I am also glad to pass on the responsibility. Especially, since twins are on the way and a book needs to be fInished. During the last two years we became incorporated as a non-profit organization, hosted a successful Midwest Herp Symposium, produced general care pamphlets for the DNR, successfully lobbied to have the bounty removed from rattlesnakes, and many other projects. These projects could not have been accomplished without a large number of MRS members who helped. One person who gets a special thanks is Ann POlWoll who is leaving the MRS board after eight straight years, during which she served in every office except treasurer. 1\vo other long time board members leaving the board are Fred Bosman and Bruce Delles. I would like to thank them and everyone else who helped me the last two years.

I realize that there were some who did not agree with how I ran things, so here's your chance.

John Meltzer is the new president and will gladly accept any assistance or constructive ideas that will help MRS continue to grow.

John Moriarty

One Last Note on 1990 Volunteers The volunteers listed in last month's newsletter was an incomplete list. The computer ate the names of five members. They were Kris Anton, Bruce Haig, Glen Jacobsen, Del Jooes, and John Meltzer. They were acknowledged at 1he March meeting and received their mugs.

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Highlights of Last Month's Program The program at the March meeting The Remarkable Reptiles presented by Jim Gerholdt. Jim spent time on each of the five classes of reptiles. He described what makes each class unique. He talked about habitat, physiology, and keeping in captivity. This program was illustrated with slides as well as many artifacts such as skulls and skins. Jim also had quite a few live animals along. The program was well received by adults and kids alike. It turned out to be a real "family night".

Critter of the Month March is always "Favorite Critter Month" at MHS. Animals displayed included Com Snake (2), Map Turtle, Parson's Chameleon, Kingsnake hybrid (Florida x Blotched), Common Snapping Turtle, Green Iguana (2), African Spur-thighed Tortoise (2), Fox Snake, Gila Monster, Axolotl, Connnon Boa Constrictor, and FIre Salamander. Critters were brought in by Dan and Brian Kallhof, Gary Ash, Bethann Lord, Nicholas Gidmark, Jane Olin, Mary Ann Wa1dorf~ Greg Kvanbek, Michele Stillinger, Laura Peterson, Steve Roman, Sarah Strand, Jeff Ronne, and John Meltzer.

Election Results Elections were held at the MHS annual meeting in March. Results are listed below.

President Vice-President Treasurer Corresponding Secretary Ilemmbersbdp Secreta~ Newsletter Editor Members-at-Large

John Meltzer Terry Scheiber Marilyn Brooks Mary Ann Waldorf Dennis Daly Jo Anne Wetherell-Moriarty Fred Bozvay Vence Jimerson Greg Kvanbek Bill Moss

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MHS has a University of Minnesota Student Chapter. The student chapter acts as a liaison with other University organizations. They will also assist in room scheduling. Greg Kvanbek is currently the President. Student members need to be identified so that 1h.e Student Chapter will be recognized by the University of Minnesota. Any MHS members who are also students at the University should contact Greg. See him at a meeting or give him a call at (612) 533-7723.

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Board Meeting The meeting was held on March 2 atthe home of John Moriarty. The meeting was called to order

by John Moriarty at 7: 15 PM. In attendance were Fred Bosman, Liz Bosman, Fred Bozvay, Marilyn Brooks, Dennis Daly, Bruce Delles, Vence Jimerson, Nanette Jimerson, Greg Kvanbek, John Meltzer, Ruth Meltzer, John Moriarty, Bill Moss, Ann POlWoll, Terry Scheiber, Mary Ann Waldorf, andJo Anne Wetherell.

The Secretary's minutes were read and accepted. 127 people attended the general meeting.

Treasurer's Report In February there was a loss of $188.00 The bank will be refunding the service charge we have been getting for the last three months since the change to a non-profit organization.

President's Report Zoo-Med contributed a large number of raffle items. Copies of the newsletters in which their gifts were acknowledged will be sent to them. MHS had a request to send membership forms to the Citizens Recognition Movement of Japan. These will be sent. MRS will be listed in the Twin Cities Club File, a listing of various organizations in the area.

Vice President's Report The April Program was discussed~ The group decided to show a video on Turtle and Tortoise Care and to have a panel of "experts" discuss the video. John Meltzer has possible speakers which he will discuss with Terry.

Old Business The group decided to begin a new fund raiser. MRS will be offering books for sale to members at reduced cost from retail sales. The details are still being worked out., New Business John Moriarty will be assembling a membership handbook which includes the constitUtion, code of ethics, etc. John also raised the subject of printing additional animal care brochures. The DNR will be printing them at a reduced cost to MHS. An additional 3000 will be purchased. A new format for printing membership cards was discussed. Further research is needed.

Round Table Bruce Denes proposed the purchase of a new book, A - Z of Snake Keeping. The motion passed.

Dennis requested that MHS letterhead be used to solicit donation of raffle items from vendors. This was approved. Marilyn inquired about a special membership rate for students. None will be offered at this time. Greg proposed that advertising space in the newsletter be sold. Mter much discussion about charges and limiting space, a motion passed. Greg volunteered to be advertising editor. Jo Anne commented that Pagemaker software has been purchased and she will be learning how to use it for the newsletter. .

The meeting was adjourned at 8: 56 PM and refreshments were served.

Help a Hapless Herp There were no adoptions at the March meeting. Anyone with animals to go up for adoption should contact Fred Bozvay prior to the meeting.

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Raffle Results There were many nice prizes in the raffle. Thanks to donors Zoo-Med, John and Ruth Meltzer, Ann Porwoll, and Glen Jacobsen, as well as several anonymous donors. The raffle netted $49.00.

The winners and their prizes included Blair Sander - reptile and amphibian poster, Bruce Haig "Snakes in the Grass" calendar, Jo Anne Wetherell-Moriarty - Repto-vim, Megan Strand - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cereal and bowl, Ben Gerholdt - "Be kind to snakes" sticker, Ann POlWoll Repro cricket food, D. Monard - new issue of The Vivarium, Bill Moss - terrarium moss, and Nick .

Ooze - reptile cage carpet. Thanks to all who purchased tickets.

The MRS board has invoked a new policy of properly acknowledging those who donate raffle items. A donor list will be placed on the raffle table. Please list your name and the item that you are donating. Those who provide this information will be listed in the newsletter. If you wish to remain anonymous, please do not sign the list.

Refreshments There were no refreshments at last month's meeting. Refreshments are nice but not a necessary part of the meeting. If members want 10 continue having refreshments we need some new volunteers to bring them.

Mary Ann Waldorf is the refreshment chairperson. If you would like to provide refreshments for a meeting be sure to notify Mary Ann in advance. Please see .her at the meeting or give her a call at (612) 699-0475.

Now that spring is almost here, you're probably waiting to hear or see some of Minnesota's phantastic herps. In MHS these are called "phenological phinds". Please share your phinds with your fellow members by mailing them or giving them to the Newsletter Editor at the monthly meetings.

What are we looking for? Basically, any herpetological sighting is of interest Especially worth reporting are the "firsts" of the season, herpsin unusual places or doing unusual things, or herps that are not commonly seen. Identify the herp as well as possible. Give connnon name and scientific name, if possible. Report the date and time of the sighting. Be as exact as possible about the location - county, township, etc. Don't be afraid to send in phinds if aU of the information above is not available; just give as much infonnation as you can. Now, get out and have fun herping! The cardinal rule of enjoying the outdoors is to leave things where you found them so others who come along later can partake of the same pleasure.

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Crossbreeding Snakes

by William Ness The current practice among some snake breeders of cross-breeding snakes of different species or subspecies deserves close examination and discussion. While it is accepted and even encouraged by some people through the advertising of the crossbred offspring at relatively higher prices than purebreds of either parental stock (suggesting that the hybrids are more valuable), other people condemn the practice and maintain that each species and subspecies should be kept "pure".

There are numerous reasons why people attempt to breed snakes. Some of these include monetary gain, conservation, research, and personal satisfaction. likewise, there are numerous reasons that people hybridize various species and subspecies of snakes, including ignorance, the absence or unavailability of a mate of the appropriate species or subspecies, accidental breedings when unlike species are housed together, scientific curiosity, and monetary gain. I think that an understanding of genetics and a look at the underlying motives for breeding snakes and the ultimate destination of the offspring must be examined before deciding if the practice of cross-breeding snakes should be condemned or accepted.

The concept of a species is really just a human concept that we imposed on wild things to help us understand and organize our environment, but it makes no difference to a Milksnake whether we call it Pueblan or Eastern. Species and subspecies designations are based largely on physical, behavioral, and geographic considerations and the genetic aspects are just beginning to be explored. Generally, scientists group animals in the same species if they breed and have fertile offspring in nature. Subspecies are animals that have significantly different characteristics from the main species but are still able to breed and have fertile offspring. Within any species there are differences in characteristics due to different combinations of genes and mutations. Not all adult Bullsnakes have identical markings, temperament, or reach the same size, but specific populations tend to share similar characteristics. Scientists decide which populations are different enough to be classified as subspecies, and which are just races or local variations. It should be noted that there is much discussion and disagreement on what determines a specific subspecies, race, variety, or phase. There tend to be two groups of classifiers, the "lumpers" and the "splitters". Splitters try to fmd as many differences as possible and name many subspecies, while lumpers recognize fewer subspecies and just call the differences in populations variations or phases.

The development of today's species and subspecies took many generations of "survival of the fittest" and has resulted in animals that are suited to their specific environment. There are generally more offspring born each year than can survive so there is competition for limited resources. There are also many hazards in the environment that need to be overcome. In some species 75 -90 % of the offspring born each year do not survive. Any inherited characteristics, such as color pattern or a specific behavior, that gives an individual an advantage over its siblings will increase the chance of survival for that individual. Thus, the "fittest" survive and pass their genes on to the next generation. Some inherited traits have very specific survival value, and individuals born without those traits fail to survive. For example, Minnesota Milksnakes in the wild that do not have the instincts to hibernate will probably die in the winter and will not pass those unsuitable genes on to the next generation. Over a period of many years of this process species have adapted to their environment, and possibly to a specific geographic location. Some of the differences between subspecies may be due strictly to random mutations or variations that showed up in one population and because of geographical factors (mountains, rivers, or great distances) were not shared with other populations. These differences may be incidental with no specific survival value. A Milksnake in Central America that has a gene for wide bright red bands is not able to share those genes with a Milksnake in Minnesota. The wide bands mayor may not have survival value for that particular habitat but in either case the traits are not exchanged with populations that are isolated from it by distance or other barriers. We do not know an the specific survival adaptations and

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Crossbreeding Snakes (cont.)

inherited traits a given subspecies has for its specific habitat (and possibly its specific geographical location). Pueblan Milksnakes mayor may not survive and thrive in the wild in Florida or even Minnesota. When two different species are bred together in captivity the resultirtg offspring receive one gene for each trait from each parent. Depending on which characteristics are dominant, recessive, or blended, the offspring may look more similar to one parent or the other or appear to be a blend of their characteristics. The physical characteristics are obvious but behavioral characteristics and instincts may not be as readily apparent. The resulting offspring may or may not be fertile. When two such offspring are bred together, their offspring can be quite variable as the chromosomes are basically reshuffled for each egg and sperm produced.

Although crosses between two similar subspecies may physically look more like one parent than the-other, the resulting offspling have one gene for each trait from each parent and are a blend of their parents. Even if not apparent, the offspring are carrying characteristics from both parents.

When bred together or back to either parent the appearance of the resulting offspring can be quite variable, depending on how the chromosomes are shuffled during the production of sperm and egg. The results of such breedings may have the physical appearance of one parent but they may not have all the behavioral traits necessary for that subspecies to survive in its specific habitat, and there is no guarantee that subsequent generations will also look or behave like that parent. A Pueblan/Eastern Milksnake hybrid mayor may not have the behavioral traits necessary for survival in the wild in Minnesota.

The motivation for breeding snakes is something that should be considered. There is a certain amount of scientific data which can be obtained by experimental breedings of various species and subspecies. Controlled crossbreeding experiments can give us infonnation on how closely related different species really are, and may lead to reclassification of some species. Two species that will hybridize under controlled conditions and produce fertile offspring should probably be considered more closely related than two species that produce infertile offspring. The problem then exists as to what to do with the offspring of such experiments. They are anomalies that in most cases would never occur in nature. Should they enter the pet trade where they may accidentally end up in a breeding program or should they be destroyed? Is there anything wrong with developing new crossbreds, after all the majority of snakes produced in captivity do not fmd路 their way back to the wild? While much data can be obtained from these experimental breedings, these question needs to be answered.

When conservation is the motivation for breeding snakes the question of hybridization is approached from a different angle. If the goal of propagating snakes is to maintain and preserve species in captivity that may disappear in the wild, with the possibility of re-introduction to the wild if and when suitable habitats are re-established, then the practice of hybridizing different species and interbreeding subspecies should be strictly avoided. In fact, if populations do adapt to specific locations, and we do not know all the specific survival adaptations a given subspecies has for its specific habitat, then there is even justification for maintaining pure strains of specific geographic populations (Le. Anoka County Bullsnakes).

The problem with this logic is that most of the offspring produced in captivity will survive, not just the ones with the survival characteristics most suited to their original habitat or locale. After numerous generations of captive breeding with no environmental selection weeding out "unfit" genes we will probably lose some of the specific survival traits necessary for a specific habitat. By eliminating survival of the fittest in captivity we are actually modifying the species. In effect we are producing individuals that are cage-hardy and in many cases pretty or unusually marked. In some cases the exact behavior that makes an individual snake difficult to maintain in captivity may give it the edge in the wild. In a litter of Solomon Island Ground Boas there are individuals that eat only MHS Newsletter, Vol. XI, No.3

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Crossbreeding Snakes (cont.) lizards and some that will eat mice. In the wild there may be a survival advantage to this mix in foodpreferences. This may be genetic as it seems that parents that were mouse-eaters as babies tend to have more mouse-eating babies. (Thls would be a good ,genetics experiment for anyone who likes working vvith Solomon Island Ground Boas.) In captivity we tend to keep and breed the mouse-eaters. After a number of generations in captivity we may only produce mouse-eaters. Is this then the same species that we removed from the wild? Would the offspring of these captive raised snakes he as successful as their wild ancestors? Will the new generations of mouse-eaters prey on lizards if given the opportunity? In addition to changes in the species due to captive propagation, by the time we try to re-introduce organisms back to suitable habitat, the habitat may have changed so much that any traits specific to a certain location may not be an advantage any more or that specific habitat may be gone.

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On the other hand it is also possible that snake species very adaptable and that subspecies designations only reflect superficial physical variations that-happen to be in a high concentration in that specific population. Variations that are significant enough for us to call a subspecies may just be part of the nonnal range of variation within a species and have little or no effect on the survival of that subspecies. It may be that subspecies should be called phases. A number of reptiles and amphibians have been very successfully (too successfully, sometimes) introduced to similar habitats in other parts of the world. In this case, the only reason to maintain separate subspecies would be an individual or conective interest in maintaining these differences.

The occurrence of natural intergrades between subspecies brings up several other issues. If two subspecies whose ranges overlap will intergrade is it acceptable to intergrade them in captivity?

Many people would say this is acceptable but would probably place more value on the pure subspecies than the intergrates in many cases. If this is acceptable then how about two subspecies whose ranges are close but happen to separated by a mountain that prevents integration? If the mountain was not there they probably would intergrade so is it acceptable to intergrade them in captivity? It seems, in many cases, that the acceptability of the intergradation is detennined by the physical appearance of the offspring. If the intergrades look good then it seems to be aCceptable.

When the motivation for crossing two similar subspecies is the lack of a mate of the appropriate , subspecies there are several considerations. By crossing the two subspecies the resulting offspring will carry characteristics of both parents even if they do not exhibit the characteristics. Recessive traits may show up in subsequent generations with offspring that do not look like their parents.

Calling a crossbred the name of whichever parent it looks like can lead to some surprises dovvn the line for someone who wants to maintain a pure strain of a particular subspecies. Crossing the offspring back to just one of the parent subspecies will take many generations to reestablish the pure路 subspecies.

However, if subspecies are just "phases" within the normal range 9f variations in a species then calling the offspring of two different subspecies whatever they look like may indeed be acceptable.

Whatever the motivation for crossing different types of snakes I think that the most important factor is infonning the person who obtains such a snake what its true pedigree is. If that information is concealed from potential buyers so they are not allowed to make their own judgment then money is obviously the that persons primary motivation for breeding snakes. There is nothing wrong with making money as long as people aren't misled in the process. Until we develop a stud book and start registering snakes like the dog and cat breeders have done we will continue to rely on the honesty of our fellow herp keepers.

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New Books Donated to MUS Library Several new booklets have been donated to the MHS Library by Twin Cities Reptiles. These include:路 The General Care and Maintenance of Green Iguanas in Captivity The General Care and Maintenance of White~ Treefrogs in Captivity The General Care and Maintenance of Leopard Geckos The General Care and Maintenance of Ball Pythons The General Care and Maintenance of True Chameleons, Volumes I and Il The General Care and Maintenance of Horned Frogs The Right Way ro Fred Insect-eating Lizards All are written by Philippe de Vosjoli. Thanks to Twin Cities Reptiles for your thoughtful donation.

Two books have come out recently from Michigan and Kansas. They are:

Micbigrm State University.

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Harding andJ. Alan Hohnan. 1990. Michigan

Michigan Turtles and Lizards is a new field guide and pocket reference from the same series as the 1989 Snakes of Michigan. The book covers ten species of turtles and two lizards. It is written for the general public with lOTS of color photos. The infonnation in the book provides good general natural history info., along with sections on turtle and lizard biology, studying turtles indoors and outdoors, and turtles, lizards, and people.

Michigan Turtles and lizards is available from the Bulletin Office, lO-B Agriculture Office, Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI 48824-1039 for $8.95.

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by Joseph T. Collins and Suzanne L. Collins. 1991. U.S. Forest Service.

This new book developed from a 1987 field survey of the 31 species in the southwest comer of Kansas. The species accounts provide a general description of the species and infonnation on the habitat in the grassland. There are also comparisons to a 1920 expedition to the then open prairie

by Edward Taylor.

The book includes photos of each species at the back of the book, including a nice Central Plains Milksnake. This book is well done and a handy guide for anyone going herping in the Kansas

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Reptiles and Amphibians of the Cimarron National Grasslands, Morton County, Kansas is available from the U.S. Forest Service, Cimarron National Grasslands, 242 Highway 56-E, Elkhart, KS 67950 for $7.00 postpaid.

John. Moriarty

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Are Yon An Active Member? author unknown Are you an active member, the kind that would be missed?

- Or are you just content that your name is on the list?

Do you attend the meetings and mingle with the flock?

Or do you remain at home to criticize and knock?

Do you take an active part and help the work along?

Are you satisfied to be the kind that just belongs?

Do you join the committees and get into the thick?

Or leave the work to just a few and talk about the clique?

Come to the meetings and with heart in hand, Don't just be a member but take an active stand Think. it over member, you know right from wrong.

Are you an active member, or do you just belong?

Submitted by Liz Bosman

Commercial Advertising The MHS board has approved the running of paid commercial advertising. Anyone interested in more infonnation on ad rates and sizes should contact Greg Kvanbek at (612) 533-7723

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FOR SALE: 1.0 blood-red Corn Snake, $45.; 1.0 6 in. Gold Marine Toad, $5.; repaired aquariums, $5.; repaired screen tops, $5. Call David at (612) 444-9775.

FOR SALE: Black and White Tegu, approx. 3 ft., $175.; Black and White Tegu, approx 14 in., re-generated tail, $125. Both long-term captives. Will deliver to next meeting. Call (515) 592-2247 after 5 PM (IA).

FOR SALE OR TRADE: 1.04 ft. 8 in. Southern Pine Snake (potential breeder) in exchange for . easy to handle, captive bred Bull, Fox, and/or Hognose Snakes. Call Westwood Hills Nature Center (612) 924-2544.

FOR SALE: Commercially-raised, fresh-frozen rodents delivered to monthly meetings. Rats: large$1.50 each, $17.00/12, $65./50; pups - $7.50/12, $30./50; Mice: all sizes (not mixed up, order the size you need) $5./12. Baby boas available between$115-150. 10 or more, $100. ea. Early calls will avoid the busy signal. Contact Jeff Ronne at (612) 431-6813.

WANTED: To buy - Adult Boa Constrictors. Call Jim at (612) 483-2119.

WANTED: Female Leopard Geckoes. I have 21onelymales. ContactJo Anne at (612) 647-1334.

W ANTED: I need all the shed snake skins in the world - always - to give away at reptile programs.

Contact Bob Duerr at (612) 541- 9417.

WANTED: Artwork and copy for this newsletter. Submit to newsletter at the address below .

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INSTRUCTIONS: Ads are run as a free service to paid members. Paid ads fronl non-members are not accepted. Ads for venomous speLies, illegal species, or sick animals will not be run.

MHS takes no responsibility for legality or health of any animal advertised here. Ads may be run for three consecutive nlonths at which time ads may be re-submitted. The editor reserves the right to omit ads when space is limited so as to allow all nlembers a chance to advertise. Size of ads .is limited to 4 typed lines or 1 standard size business card.

De&:dm..~_ for all newsletter items is thel5.Jh of the month. Send all newsletter items to : ATTN: Newsletter Editor, Minnesota Herpetological Society, Bell Museulli of Naturdl History, 10 Church St. S.B., Minneapolis, MN 55455-0104.

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