Vol. 12 (1992), No. 7

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CALEN-nAR OF EVENTS

October, 1992 Midwest Herpetological Symposium Milwaukee, WI November 14 & 15, 1992 Reptile and Amphibian Show and Sale, Bing Crosby Hall at the Del Mar Fairgrounds, Del Mar, California.

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The purpose of the Minnesota Herpetological Society is: to further the education of the membership and the general public in care and captive propagation of reptiles and amphlbians; to educate the membership and the general public in the ecological role of reptiles and amphibians; and to promote the study and conservation of reptiles and amphibians.

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MEMBER-AT-LARGE MEMBER-AT-LARGE IMMEDIATE PAST PRES. _

Glen Jacobsen Bill Moss Connie Delles Michele Stillinger Marilyn Brooks Julie Cherveny Randy Blasus Dennis Daly Nancy Haig Greg Kvanbek lohnMeltzer

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漏 Copyright Minnesota _Herpetological Scx;iety. The contents of this newsletter may be reproduced for inclusion hl the newsletters of other herpetological societies provided that the ITlaterial is reproduced without change and proper credits are given to the MRS Newsletter citing volume number and date.

Next. Meeting Date: Friday, August 7, 1992 Time: 7:00 PM

Place: Borlaug Hall st. Paul Campus U of M

PROGRAM: Ancient Age of Reptiles SPEAKER: Jon Kramer - Paleontologist Jon Kramer, a paleontologist and owner of the Fossil store in Calhoun Square, will take time out from his archaeological digs, to talk to us about the ancient age of reptiles' (dinosaurs and the like).

He will present slides and help us understand how the reptiles we keep.in our collections, evolved from somewhat different beginnings~ If your interest in reptiles started like mine, with an interest in dinosaurs, you won't want to miss this program.

CRITTER OF THE MONTH: Your Oldest路 Herp.

Reminder: Bring a proper container to display your herps.

UPCOMING MEETINGS September 11: Michele Stillinger - The reptiles of the Oklahoma City Zoo. October: ???

November': ???

HELP A HAPLESS HERP Anyone with animals to go up for adoption, should contact Glen Jacobsen at (612) 757-8268 prior to the meeting.

July MeetiogSummary Michele Stillinger JUl~'s 'program was the International Herpetology Symposium rap-up.

Th~ IHS was held in St. Louis, Missouri on June 24th-28th.

Several members from MHS attended; Gloria Anton, Bruce Delles, John and Ruth Meltzer, Bill Moss, Michele Stillinger, and Eric and Kathy Thiss.

All agreed it was a informative and enjoyable trip.

Board members ~ohn Meltzer, Bill Moss, and Michele Still inger gave a semi brief rap-up of the convention.

Bill spoke of the importance of legislative preparedness which was one of the several workshops given.

The current, vague animal laws in our state and around the country, and the drive by certain animal rights groups puts our future as reptile keepers in Jeopardy.

We need to be prepared to defend ourselves in the courtroom or legislation if the need arises.

Bill also spoke about the new procedure of saline injections, given' by lecturer Ken Foose, to determine sex in lizards and snakes.

This procedure is very effective, easy, and safe.

Contact your 106al vet to see if they can do this.

John spoke about some of his favorite lectures on Boa constrictors.

One lecture, by Bob Sears, spoke of his trip to Bel ize.

The three islands of Belize are mainly volcanic .and the Boas were found laying on top of scalding hot sulfur formations.

They found them by following the smell of sulfur gas.

Another lecture by David Spiteri dealt with the current taxonomic controversies surrounding the Rosy Boas.

The program consisted of current findings using co~puterized programs, statistical techniques, and analysis of earlier literature to help clarify the issue.

Talk to John if you are int~rested with the results.

Another lecture on taxonomic findings dealt with the Chi Idrenls Python.

A charming young man, Brian Kendi in his early teens; collected data and pictures of the United States collections of these pythons and sent the~ to experts in Australia.

His findings conclude that most all of the so called Childrenls Pythons in the United States are really Spotted Pythons.

Finally, Michele did a rap-up of all the nutritional lectures and workshops presented.

Most of the lectures were on proper calcium and Vitamin D intake for reptiles and the proper foods for various species.

There were also tips from breeders, private collectors and nutritionists on nutrient loading your crickets.

A good book on this is Phillipe de Vosjoli IS liThe Right Way to Feed Insect Eating Lizards".

After Michele'S portion of the rap-up the members debated the information 'presented and many additional opinions were shared.

This inf~rmation will hopefully give new members and old alike some new ideas for feeding their reptiles.

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June Board Meeting Called to order at 4:55 PM at the'property of Nancy Hatg.

Glen and Donna Jacobsen, Bill Moss, Marilyn Br6oks, Michele stillinger, Connie Delles, Julie and Todd Cherveny, Greg Kvanbek, Randy Blasus, John Levell, Dennis Daly and Nancy Haig were present. John Meltzer was absent.

PRESIDENT'S REPORT 84 people attended the general meeting.

September meeting will be moved to the 11th because of Labor Day. MHS will subscribe to the famous "Sauria" magazine from Germany.

Look for it in the library in the future.

It is in English.

We will also purchase the 1993 National Wildlife Federations book of conservation societies.

VICE-PRESIDENT'S REPORT Speakers currently lined up: August: Jon Kramer - Paleontologist September: Michele Stillinger - slides of the Oklahoma City's Zoo reptile collection.

October: ???

November: ???

SECRETARY¡S REPORT Given and accepted.

NEW BUSINESS Discussed the formation of a MHS legislative committee.

Members with legal or legislative experience would be very helpful.

The MHS summer picnic will tentatively be held on August 3rd.

Randy will make plans and park reservations.

Newsletter exchange with the Society for Reptile and Amphibians Veterinarians was approved.

MEETING ADJOURNED: 7:15pm

RAFFLE RESULTS Thanks to Candy Ashbach Nanette Jimerson, John Levell and anonymous donors, for donating raffle items.

The winners are listed below: Ka t.hy Th iss Spyki Lyvopr Eric Thiss B ill Moss Joe Augee Michele Stillinger Mar 1a Wi 1 ber Vence ..1 i merson

John Leve 1 1 Tim Mornard Brandon Delles Dan Blackmun Chase De lIes Aaron Riedel Dan Vettrus Gary Ash

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REFRESHMENTS For July's meeting Toni Jesmer to the rescue AGAIN"!

A big THANK YOU to them.

There would have been a lot of hungry herpers if it wasn't for Toni & John, their cookies went as fast as a herp in the wild.

The Donation Frog received $5.25 in July.If you'd like to help provide treats for a meeting please talk to Candy Ashbach or Nanette Jimerson at the meeting to find out about what's needed.

CRITTER OF THE The critter of the month was "Your International Herps". critters and their keepers were:

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Ben Gerholdt - Blue Tongue Skink Gloria Anton - Velvet Gecko Kris Anton - Ophisaurus John Levell - Lampropeltis t. annulata Todd Cherveny - Burmese Python John Moriarty - Hermann's Tortoises John Meltzer - African House Snakes

1992 MINNESOTA STATE FAIR EXHIBIT

The Minnesota Herpetological Society will once again be providing animals and maintaining the Herp di~play at the DNR Building.

The display will be moved to the wall with the fish aquariums.

This will move the display away from the electrical panels which was a problem last year.

There will be a need to reconstruct part of the exhibit and help will be needed with the carperitry.

Any interested members should contact John Moriarty.

The construction will be done during July and early August.

There is a need for the fol lowing animals for display.

They are the Bullsnake, Fox Snake, Blue Racer, Timber Rattlesnake, Massasauga, Western and Eastern Hognose, Black Ratsnake, Garter Snake, Eastern Milksnake, Wood Turtle, Blanding's Turtle, Western Painted Turtle, Spiny Softshell, Common Snapping Turtle, Common Map Turtle, Bullfrog, Leopard Frog and Tiger Salamander.

These animals sho~ld be large individuals so that they make a good display.

Sign-up sheets for display animals and volunteer cage 'cleaners will be at the July and August Meetings.

Anyone havins questions about helping with the State Fair Exhibit can contact John Moriarty at 647-1334.

NEXT NEWSLETTER DEADLINE AUGUST '1, 1992

Public Education Update

by Bill Moss I've been delinquent In thanking MHS members for their time doing educational programs so there are a number of them to catch upon.

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Vet School Open House.

For a change, we had really nice weather to bring the herps out for the traditional first program of the year.

Thanks to members Scott and Cheryl Cords, John Gidmark, Nicholas Gidmark, Nancy Haig, Greg Kvanbek, ,Bill Moss and Terry Scheiber.

(Note: I lost my list from this one so I am relying on memory.

If you helped out and were not mentioned, please let me know so I can straighten out my records.)

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- Terry Scheiber

- John Levell

May 17:

Como Zoo - Larry Billings, Dean Bowman, Donna Calendar, Todd Cherveny, Connie Delles, Nancy and Bruce Haig, Glenn Jackobsen, Jeff LeClere, John Levell, Bill Moss, Drew Newman and Josh Strain.

June 3:

Harriet Alexander Nature Center - Jeff LeClere, Bill Moss and Michele Stillinger.

June 21:

Como Zoo - Todd Cherveny (+ Todd Jr., Natalie and Kevin), Jo Janssens, Toni and George Jesmer, Greg Kvanbek and Sarah and George Richards.

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Eastman Elementary School Leve 1 I .

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Upcoming Programs: July 20:

Cub Scout Adventure Days - Buffalo, Mn.

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General Mills company picnic.

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Hennepin County Humane Society open house.

1:00 P.M. - 4:00 P.M.

Aug. 15 thru Sept. 27

Renaissa~ce

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7:30 P.M.

Festival - every weekend

As you can see, we've been and will continue to be busy this year.

If you are interested in particIpating in any of these events, call Bi 11 Moss at 488-1383 J also want to thank John Levell for agreeing to be the new co- chair of the ,Public Education Committee.

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RENAISSANCE FESTIVAL INFORMATION We have been invited to the Renaissance Festival (Festival) again this year by the Como Zoo Docents.

As the hands-on chairman, I will be coordinating HHS volunteers with the Docents this year.

To participate, you must contact me at least a week ahead of time, so we will have time to get your name on the gate pass list.

Festival requires a one week advance notice.

The rules of the Festival require that you dress in period style clothing.

A lot of people have fun creating their own costumes but if you don't have one, there are a limited number of them available at the festival, so don't let that deter you.

If you are interested in making you~ own costume, contact me and I will see that you get the Official Renaissance Festival Costume Handbook.

There are also costumes available for purchase through the Festival vendors and crafts people.

The festival runs every weekend from August 15 through September 27 from 8:00am to 7:30pm.

The work days will be set up in two 6 hour sifts, 8:00am to 2:00pm and 12:30pm to 7:30pm of wh i ch you are on 1 y expec路ted to spend four hours do i ng hands-on public education, as well as, help out around the cottage.

The rest of the day is yours to do as you wish.

Your admission is free.

Also, many of the crafts people give participants a discount on purchases.

Festival is a whole lot of fun to participate in~ I personally spent the entire seven weekends out there last year and had a great time.

HHS has established a really good relationship with the Docents, (a number of them are also MHS members), they are a lot of fun to work wit, as well as party with after closing.

I would highly recommend you give it a try.

Contact me, Bill Moss at (612) 488-1383 - if I'm not home, leave a message on my machine.

Remember, you must notify me at least a week in advance.

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TORTOISE DIETS PART 3: VITAMINS AND ROUGHAGE IN THE TORTOISE DIET

BY WILLIAM A. NESS Maintaining tortoises in captivity can be challenging and rewarding endeavor.

Their dietary requirements differ significantly from many other reptiles that are often kept in captivity.

Such animals as snakes and monitors can be easily fed on a diet of whole rodents.

One mouse contains the minimum recommended dai ly(weekly?) allowances of all the essential vitamins l minerals, and protein fo~ a young snake.

There is calcium in the bones, protein in the muscle, and all sorts of vitamins in the rodents innards.

Unfortunately there is not one food item that we can feed our tortoises that contains everything they need.

We need to offer a variety of foods of the right types, to ensure that a balanced diet is provided.

In many cases we can use vitamin/mineral supplements to make up for shortfall in the diets we prepare.

In other articles I have addressed general feeding guidelines an the role of calcium and protein in the路diet.

In this article I will address the role of some of the more common vitamins, and roughage in the tortoise diet.

Vitamin A is important for turtles and its importance is known by most people who have had any experience with turtles and tortoises.

A deficiency of this vitamin can result in swollen eyes and other problems.

Whi Ie Vitamin A is necessary, overdosing with pre Vitam1n A can also be a problem.

Providing Vitamin A in the form of carotene, found in natural sources such as carrots, dandelion greens, kale, endive, and mustard greens, will not lead to an overdose.

The body can excrete excess carotene.

It is interesting that 1 cup of cooked dandelion greens has about 5 times as much Vitamin A as a cup of cooked carrots, and 1 cup of kale has about 2 times as much as carrots.

Vitamin C is a vitamin that can easily be provided by offering a variety of fruits an some vegetables (1 cup of dandelion greens has almost half as much Vitamin C as one whole orange) .

Vitamin B is usually not a problem, however, frozen fish contains an enzyme(thlminase that breaks "down Vitamin B and can lead to a deficiency.

Apparently fresh fish is not a problem, but freezing i t releases the enzyme.

Fish is too high in protein for most tortoises and 1s not a recommended food item anyway.

However, many aquatic and semi-aquatic turtles (1 ike box turtles) like minnows and other fish.

Freezing minnows is an easy way to store them.

When frozen fish is used as a Food item it should not be used exclusively and should be fortified with Vitamin B. Too much of some vegetables such as kale, cabbage, sprouts, etc., can lead to an Iodine deficiency which could result in goiter.

Vitamin supplements with at least 30mg/Kg of iodine can be used as a preventative.

The MN Zoo has used kale as an important part of their tortoise diet and have not reported any problems with 'goiter that I know.

I have also talked to some other zoo personnel (not the MN Zoo) who use spinach as a major, but not exclusive, part of their tortoise diet and they have reported no problems either.

So it appears that these items can be used i f not the exclusive items in the diet and probably are less of a problem when a good vitamin supplement is used.

There are a variety of vitamin/mineral supplements on the market that are suitable for reptiles.

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They both seem to be pretty good for vitamins if used on a regular basis, but both are a l i t t l e low in calcium and only have about a 2:1 ca/p ratio.

If supplemented with calcium they should work well.

Roughage is an important part of the tortoise diet.

In the wild a high proportion of the food taken in is not very digestible.

Tortoises have very long digestive tracts to break down materia] and in captivity we must provide roughage to help the digestive tract operate effectively_ Tortoise droppings should be rather firm i f enough r6ughage is present, so they can be used as an indicator of ad~quate roughage.

Good sources of roughage include lawn clippings(chemical free), dandelion greens, leafy greens, parsley, kale, cabbage, and carrot tops.

Some forms of hay are very high in protein(up to 16%) and since toitoises should have a low protein diet these should be used sparingly.

Most legumes have about 79/1009 of protein - about 7 times higher than lettuce.

In this series of articles I have discussed some of the aspects of developing a nutritious diet for your tortoise.

This information has been compi led from a number of sources, but it is by no means the definitive answer to tortoise nutrition.

Many species have dietary idiosyncrasies that need to be catered to.

Some tortoi路ses have feeding quirks that make feeding a recipe diet to impossible and substitutions need to be made. use the nutrition tables from the back of an old health textbook to check on the values of foods, so I can substitute similar foods.

For example, dandelion greens have almost as much calcium, abbut the same ca/p r~tio, and about half as much protein as an equal amount of kale.

Hopefully these articles have offered you a few suggestions that will help you on your way to perfecting the "perfect tortoise diet".

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VERMICULITE AND ASBESTOS Dorothy DeLisle Reprinted from:

Southwestern Herpetologist Societies Newsletter October 1991

In the September, 1989 SWHS newsletter (19.9:6), Tom Porter wrote a short blip on the presence of asbestos fibers in vermiculite and the possible dangers of mixing vermiculite with your herps.

After having recently discussed this with Nancy DeLisle (my sister, not Harold's wife), an employee of the division of W.R. Grace which manufactures vermiculite, I feel it is time for an update on the situation.

Vermiculite is a rare mineral.

It is found in only two locations in the U.S., Montana and South Carolina and only two locations outside this country, South Africa and China.

Its major uses are as insulating mat~rial, as packing material, especially for the shipping of liquids in glass bottles, as a soil lightener and rooting medium.

In herpetoculture, it is used primarily as an esg-incubation medium, but also as a substrate when high humidity Is required.

The asbestos containing vermiculite which Tom Porter referred to comes from the Montana location.

Actually, the containment is tremolite,a close relative of asbestos.

Since the focusing of attention on asbestos in vermiculite, all the Montana mines have been shut down.

All of the vermiculite in this hemisphere is from South Carolina and is tremolite-free.

Due to the minor tremolite contamination, we have lost half of our natural resources for vermiculite.

It is not synthesized, only mined and then processed.

Consequently, there are only three manufacturers of vermiculite.

It is highly conceivable that we will exhaust our limited vermiculite supply in the not too distant future.

As Tom Porter said, "Watch a substitute - - It may be unavailable someday."

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FOR SALE: Gerbils, all sizes, all colors. Call Chris at 457-4635.

MANTED: Male Eastern Box Turtle - (very orange) small, young. Call Brian Grussing 944-7633.

MANTED: Any information about conehead lizards Claemanctus). Ex. Their natural life span and where in the world they are found in?

Contact Lewis Smallwood at (817) 572-7412.

MANTED: I need all the snake skins in the world - always - to .give away at reptile programs and the MN State Fair.

Please bring to the State Fair or contact Bob D~err at (612) 541 -9417.

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AdS for venomous species, illegal species, or sick animals will not be run. MRS takes no responsibility for legality or health of any aniinal advertised here. Ads may be run for three consecutive months at which time ads may be re-su bmitted. The editor reserves the right to omit ads when space is limited so as to allow all members a chance to advertise. Size of ads is limited to 4 typed lines or 1 standard size business card. D~_~dijJl~ for all newsletter items is the date of the general meeting. Send all newsletter items to : ATTN: Newsletter Editor, Minnesota Herpetological Society, Bell Museum of Natural History, 10 Church St. S.E., Minneapolis, MN 55455-0104.

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IIII Do you ever have a question about one of your herps and wonder who might be able to provide an "II II answer? Most people who keep pets of any kind have been in this situation at one time or another. II I A group of MHS members has volunteered to provide assistance. Listed below are the people and II II their specialties. Please be reasonable about the time of day and how frequently you call.

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Lizards Nancy Haig 789-4637 Bill Moss 488-1383

Amphibians John Meltzer 263-7880 Greg Kvanbek 533-7723

Terrestrial turtles and tortoises John Moriarty 647-1334 Ann porwon 489-7853

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Michele Stillinger 5884613 Dennis Daly 633-8370

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