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The first time I connected with Shania Twain in 2017, the country-pop music icon didn’t pull any punches, saying “equality should be a no-brainer” as she spoke thoughtfully about her relationship with the LGBTQ+ community. Twain stood firm on that throughout our conversation, speaking out against supremacy (“supremacy of any sort is just poison”) and pledging to be the kind of ally we hope all gay icons will be.
In Twain’s case, she is in the same unique, bridgebuilding position as someone like fellow country superstar Dolly Parton — they both excite dads and drag queens, but for very different reasons.
If we’re speaking about Twain’s queer appeal, look no further than “Giddy Up!,” the first song off Twain’s sixth studio album, “Queen of Me.” It’s a song that would sound right at home in some Texas yeehaw gay bar but, like her hit “Man! I Feel Like a Woman!,” could just as easily get some conservative, beer-guzzling dad to loosen up as he bellows the country bop’s fun, flirty and frankly very gay hook. (At a Shania Twain show, to which I have been, trust me when I say these things happen.)
Twain recently reconnected with me to talk about the new album, which we did. But our interview landed in places Twain herself said she appreciated as she was able to reflect on how her words — not just the ones she writes — matter.
Aside from talking about what the album’s title really means to her and admiring the progress the LGBTQ+ community has made, Twain, native to Canada, spoke candidly about how a comment she made to The Guardian in 2018 about Donald Trump — “I would have voted for him because, even though he was offensive, he seemed honest” — affected what some LGBTQ+ fans thought of her. When I asked Twain about her Trump remark, her manager requested we avoid “political questions.” Twain, though, said she would decide for herself whether she was going to answer the question, which she did. The “queen of me” in action.
So “Queen of Me,” let’s get right to it. There’s definitely a let loose vibe on this album that I think we all can appreciate after the last few years. How would you describe the spirit of this album and how you came into it?
I’m calling the “Queen of Me” album my happy album because it was literally an exercise during Covid — ’cause I wrote all the songs during Covid. And it was an exercise of just getting myself into a better frame of mind, a more positive frame of mind. Writing lyrics that would make me smile, make me laugh, make me wanna dance. It was like a self-help, well-being exercise to write these songs. And they ended up just being very uplifting. That’s also how I narrowed down the songs, you know? I wrote three albums worth of songs during Covid ’cause I was just bored and I ended
up being very creatively productive. I narrowed it down to songs that took me to that happier place.
The title itself is so you, Shania, because you are sort of the country queen of empowerment. Like you, LGBTQ+ people really have to become the master of our own universes. So I’m wondering, did the title happen to come out of any conversations that you had over the years with any LGBTQ+ people in your own life that you’re close to? Or were you thinking of them in the process of naming this album or working through the songs?
I’m close to so many LGBTQ+ people. They’ve been part of my creative teams over the years, and they’re just part of my life. You’re all part of my life, you know? You’re part of my inspiration. The “Queen of Me” title was directly inspired by self-empowerment. “What am I really the queen of?” I’m just the queen of myself. I’m not the queen of anyone or anything else. I shouldn’t have any control over anyone else; no one should have any control over me either. And so I really felt motivated to express it for myself and to share it.
I’ve had people in my life going through gender confusion and gender change. Just all of the sadness that I’ve seen that’s so unnecessary. I’m just an allinclusive person. I believe to each his own. And we should all have the right to have that confidence in ourselves to be ourself. So, on “Queen of Me,” I’m not what you tell me I am. I’m what I proclaim I am. So, don’t let anyone tell you what you are.
When I last saw you on tour, there was so much gay energy, from dancers in cowboy hats and chest-baring leopard print to Elijah Wood, the trans person killing it on drums. Your audience is a mix of drag queens and conservative dads, and you are one of those rare artists who can bring polarized political communities together. How intentional on your part is it to bring a certain level of gayness to a Shania Twain show? Let’s start with this — when it comes to talent, there’s two things [about] people that I want to be around when I’m in a professional or creative environment. I want people with good character, honesty and talent. And so whoever falls in there is in my circle. And so it’s more about the inclusivity than anything.
If I was exclusive I would say, “well, I only want this,” and I think we would all miss out on a lot of exceptional talent. My criteria is good people and talent. And any LGBTQ+ energy or people that are in my environment are there just on merit. And I think that’s more valuable than actually specifically being… I don’t wanna be good “for a woman.” I don’t wanna be respected just ’cause I’m a woman. I wanna be respected, period. And this is where we really make our mark. And I think it’s very important. This is why “Queen of Me” is so the song: “I’m not a girl, I’m not a boy, I’m not a baby, I’m not a toy.” These are all the things I’m not, as being my label. And now let me tell you who I am. And that’s personal. I don’t know if everyone will relate to that, but that’s my feeling about it. I don’t want to be strong for a woman; I just want to be considered strong. And that’s even in “Man! I Feel Like a Woman!” It’s an internal thing. It’s how I feel.
I’m thinking about your message of inclusivity, which is something we talked about at length in 2017. Then, in June 2022, you sent out a message on your socials for Pride Month saying, “I believe in equality. …And I stand with you forever.” And during our conversation, you really drove that message home. I know you have since apologized for what was perceived as support for Donald Trump when you spoke with The Guardian in 2018 —
[Twain’s manager asks that we move on: “We’re not gonna talk about politics on this call.”] You can ask the question, and then I can decide if I wanna answer it or not. That’s fair.
What I’d like to know is how it affected you after that comment was made knowing how upset it made some members of the queer community.
So what I will say: I’ve always rejected anyone who makes someone feel that they are not worthy or they have to be excluded for some personal judgmental reason. And I’m not a politician. I’m not somebody that follows it well enough to speak on it. I regret speaking on it because by doing that — and this goes for everything as well — in that setting, I wasn’t able to explain why and what elements, the whole picture.
So realizing after how hurtful it was to even say that, I really regretted it. I thought, “Wow. I would never wanna support a policy that would ever do that.” I would never personally do that. I think it’s also good to… let’s just not judge each other, you know? Let’s be open like we’re doing, and honest. And understand each other.
So in the greater understanding of it, anyone that criticizes the importance of the LGBTQ+ community does not belong anywhere in my support system. So no. We need more love. We need less criticism, less judgment. And that means for everything, everyone. And everyone has a right to their own opinion. I regret that anyone felt that I would ever have felt that it was OK to exclude LGBTQ+ [people].
As a gay person who has been affected by administrations and also has been a fan of yours since I was a kid, I appreciate you answering that question. Totally. I so understand that. I think it’s important, though, that we separate... our policies are… it’s its own realm. And I should never have spoken on it. Period.
It sounds like you don’t go through life thinking about how big your platform is. And that was good learning for me, as well. That’s a very good point because as our world expands and our awarenesses expands, the “Queen of Me,” that was a big part of defining myself for myself. Saying, “OK, you’re queen of your successes and you’re queen of your failures. You’re queen of your good judgment and bad judgment.” You gotta take responsibility for yourself. And the way I feel now is probably not the way I’m gonna feel in five years from now about certain things. Because the world is evolving all the time. And it’s changing. And change with the right intentions is only a positive thing. We need change. We need to evolve. We need to mature.
And this has been a great… it’s been a great eyeopener for me. Understanding too that, yes, it’s more important to me as I get older, I care less about people’s criticism. But I care more about my effect on others, and that’s just being more aware of what that really means. It’s great to talk to somebody, one-on-one, about how what one person said, even though not directed in that way at all, affected you and probably so many other people. And then in turn affected me in a very positive way. It’s good. Reflection does a lot of good. We learn so much.
Is there anything else you’d like to say on that note before we move on?
No, I’m good, and thanks. I’m glad that we got to revisit the question and with a clear objective.
Let’s talk about how Pride is only just around the corner.
Pride is just around the corner. There’s so many wonderful things to be said about that. I mean, so much more freedom to be gained in all realms of society. But the LGBTQ+ [community], I admire the courage because I think that the community has taken strides forward. In my own adult life, period, it’s been leaps and bounds. I’ve got so many friends in the creative world. I mean, [fashion designer] Marc Bouwer is one of them. We’ve been working together
for over 20 years. And there was no such community power and support then.
It didn’t make a difference for our communication, one to one. We were always friends. There were never any barriers there, one to one. But I was so aware of the struggle. It’s just good and very rewarding to see so much advancement. I mean, Kim Petras, for example. So 20 years ago, that’s not that long ago; even 15 years ago, even 10 years ago. Would that moment have been possible? Or would it have happened? And Kim is the most — you know, should I say she or they? Correct me so that I get it right.
Kim uses she.
I wanna get it right. Thank you. So Kim is the most angelic person. Genuinely sweet, kind, and I could sense that she was at peace with herself. I hope that that is the case, ’cause that journey has… I haven’t asked her about it. But I know it’s been difficult. It takes courage. It’s difficult. It’s challenging. So I just wanna say that Kim is courageous with grace.
When you think of your longstanding relationship with the LGBTQ+ community, what does it mean to you to be an LGBTQ+ ally now?
It’s very important. I write music to communicate. I write music to relate to people. And so I’m trying to build relationships through music and friendships through music with people that I can’t know in person. It’s my avenue. It’s my way of reaching out. And so what I say really does matter to me, and what it means to everyone else that’s receiving it. And, I mean, mostly through the music, obviously ’cause I do more music than I do talking. That’s my real language, you know? Writing, and writing lyrics. Encouraging and inspiring. That’s what I look to music for — for inspiration. When I’m on a tour in a show and I’ve got an audience there, we are on the same page. We’re all from very different backgrounds. We’re all different ages. We are all coming from different cultures, realities…
You are the bridge. But music is the bridge, not me. So what I say is very important in that sense. You know, it’s the music that should do all the talking.
This interview has been lightly edited and condensed for clarity.
Chris Azzopardi is the Editorial Director of Pride Source Media Group and Q Syndicate, the national LGBTQ+ wire service. He has interviewed a multitude of superstars, including Cher, Meryl Streep, Mariah Carey and Beyoncé. His work has also appeared in The New York Times, Vanity Fair, GQ and Billboard. Reach him via Twitter @chrisazzopardi.
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“It’s a Party!”
Interview with Moulin Rouge: The Musical’s Andrés Quintero
By Matt Bearden
The Fox Theater is becoming increasingly successful in attracting major headlining musicals to their stage –and next up is Baz Luhrmann’s revolutionary film coming to life on stage with Moulin Rouge! The Musical! David contributor Matt Bearden got a chance to talk to one of the cast members, Andrés Quintero, about the production and his role in it all.
honestly they are whoever and whatever they want to be. Babydoll opens the show with two others, who were inspired by “Lady Marmalade.” They welcome you to this burlesque, sexy, banger-after-banger musical world. And with Babydoll opening the show, you are on a right from start to finish! I think this character really captures what the original 1890s Moulin Rouge in France. There were no inhibitions or rules, drinks and sex aplenty, and total freedom from the outside world. It was extremely carnival in that otherworldly sense, and the same goes for this production. The way I find myself meshing with this character is embracing who they are. They are the outmost femme form of myself. I’m in tights, make up, wig—I’m in drag, honey!— several shows a week. When I’m not performing, I wear sweaters and basketball shorts to help remove myself and recenter.
What an honor to meet you, Andrés! Thank you for your time. I have some icebreakers for you before our deep dive.
It’s great meeting you, too, Matt! So, I am part of the original touring cast. We hit the road last year, so I’ve been part of this for a year plus. My first Broadway role was part of the ensemble in Bat Out of Hell, but my first musical role was Marius in Les Miserable in high school. I’ve been an artistic kid—my family fully supports the arts, which has really allowed me to become who I am today. The very first musical I ever saw was Titanic with my dad; he’s the one who introduced me to musicals! If you were to go to New York right now, go see Chicago with Jinx Monsoon. What she is doing is phenomenal, and it shows how the industry is moving forward to nonbinary casting roles. I’m passionate about Latin theater, getting to voice those stories. That’s where I truly feel the most influential. I did A Crossing by Zoe Zarnack in 2021 that really set that ground for me.
Babydoll is a new character in the Moulin Rouge stage production. Who are they? How does Andrés and Babydoll mesh?
Babydoll is the entity of sex. I’d call them she/they, but
You must carry a lot of pressure by being such an extravagant character to open the show. How do you always keep that energy going? What if the crowd is too shocked?
I dig into it. Whatever has happened to me that day I bring to Babydoll. I crank up that dial and go. I get a read of the audience super quick. We were in California. The audience gave me nooch. They were stiff to this drag queen, essentially, which I found very odd! What do I do? I go even more over the top. I slut it up more. Cause that’s who Babydoll is. If you’re uncomfortable, she’s going to keep you there. If you’re having a great time, she’s going to take you further. It’s funny because those crowds that are too shocked are the ones who should be there. And of all places the show has really hit the crowd the most was Minneapolis. I couldn’t quite explain it, but it just raved! Salt Lake City, too! Guess it’s because people are coming to a circus and want to be entertained.
I’m buying whatever Babydoll is selling. What would they be doing today considering these anti-trans legislations?
One of Babydoll’s biggest queer missions is to promote to do whatever makes you feel good. Identify the way you want to identify. It’s one of my favorite aspects
of playing this role: it’s your journey, so do what will make you the best person you are. They’d be out there performing as much as they can. You know, LGBTQ+ presence is bigger than it has ever been. It has reached the kids at home, the kids coming out of the closet. It’s never going to stop. Babydoll would keep at it. They would funnel all those resources from gigs to keep pushing visibility. They would be hitting the pavement, talking to people about queer and drag. Drag is freedom of speech. It’s an expressive art form. No one can block an art form. I mentioned Moulin Rouge is a circus. The only way to fight a circus is with another circus.
I’m beyond excited to see Babydoll and the amazing cast. My favorite number has always been “Tango de Roxanne.” What has been added to the musical from the movie? Then you’re in for a treat. I’m not gonna give too much away. But this show is banger after banger after banger. It’s a party. The set pieces are massive, the music is cranked up, and the costumes are insane. Dress up—like wear something red! Go high queer if you feel comfortable. But there are more numbers just like “Tango” and “Elephant Medley” that will blow you away. Make sure to enjoy a nice champagne before coming if you know what I mean *wink*. And you’ll want to go out after.
Noted, noted, and noted! Last questions: If you could change characters, who would you pick? When you’re
in town, what would you want to do?
Satine, duh. Babydoll is next in line to take over the Diamonds, so not much of a challenge since…well, y’know. I’m so excited for you to see this! I need you to take me to some great places when I come visit. I’ve never been to Atlanta, but I hear they have great strip clubs. I really would like to go to them—for research!
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Back On the Decks
By Mikkel Hyldebrandt
It’s been a reunion 20 years in the making, and presently, DJ duo Thunderpuss is taking the country by storm with a massive tour to (re)introduce everyone to that signature EDM sound. DAVID spoke to Barry Harris – one half of the Thunderpuss duo – about their surprising resurgence, touring the country, and what’s next.
As someone who partied hard to your tracks in the 90s and 00s, I was beyond excited to learn of your reunion.
Did the massively positive response to your reunion come as a surprise to you?
100% yes! I kind of knew Thunderpuss mixes had continued to touch a LOT of people’s hearts, and I suspected it would be like a “sonic boom” in gay America club culture 2023, but to see it actually occur was kinda overwhelming. It’s extremely flattering to see and feel IRL how many hearts Thunderpuss mixes have actually touched over the years!
So far, you have been headlining some pretty significant events all across the country – how has it been to be touring again?
How did this come to happen?
Chris and I started speaking again a bit summer of 2022. A few months later, we were both approached by Hosh Gurelli (previously of the Arista Records “Whitney Houston team”). We worked closely with Hosh throughout most of the Thunderpuss years when it came to Whitney Thunderpuss mixes. He was working again with Clive Davis and now Pat Houston for “Don’t Cry For Me” dance mixes. It was his suggestion to have Thunderpuss get back together for this occasion. The movie “Whitney: I Wanna Dance With Somebody” was about to be launched worldwide & the entire global Sony Music team was about to launch something big. How could we possibly say no!?!?
Thunderpuss is behind one of the perhaps best-ever remixes of a pop song, namely Whitney Houston’s “It’s Not Right But It’s Okay” – and now you’re back with another significant Whitney remix. How has it been to work on Whitney’s music again?
I was sent the acapella and didn’t listen to it for a few days until I was ready to really “sink my teeth into it.” Of course, It was really great to hear her voice again! It was very difficult to find a way to turn the original ballad performance of “Don’t Cry For Me” into a traditional dance/pop song, but I can always find a way. Especially with Chris involved as well, we were confident we’d be able to put all our skills, talent, and passion back into this song and do our best to make it work. It was also very exciting to have the final approval from Pat Houston and Clive Davis themselves, plus a global mega music corporation like Sony Music, stand behind your mix. The entire process was very exciting!
BH- It’s been a lot of fun, like putting on an old pair of comfortable slippers. It’s nice to work with Chris again in the DJ booth. Life itself is much more relaxed now than it was in the crazy stressful Thunderpuss days. We both REALLY worked out asses off hard from 1998-2003. Exciting times indeed, though a lot of the mega pressure(s) going on in those days are now behind us!
How would you say your sound has developed over the last two decades?
The Thunderpuss sound? I’m not sure how to answer this question. I can’t answer for Chris, only me. As for me, dance music has always been a “product of its surroundings” and club culture. Thunderpuss was a product of the times, when NYC was the hub of dance music and record stores and CDs were still a thing. As for me, since 1988, back in the Kon Kan days, I’ve followed the sounds and trends of dance music over the years from then to now and adjusted accordingly. Thunderpuss also had a few different sounds at the time and was a hybrid of many influences and types of dance music thrown into the pot. If there are more Thunderpuss mixes to come, they will also be adjusted to “the times” as well.
You’re coming to Future Atlanta on April 15 – what can the audience expect from the show?
One thing I have learned over the years is that concerts are a gathering of fans. Whether it’s Lizzo or Lady Gaga, the fans all have one thing in common – the love and connection to the artists and their songs. It kind of feels that way with Thunderpuss. It’s not only a Thunderpuss Reunion of Chris and myself but also a reunion of the fans themselves and fans of the era coming together to celebrate a time in our lives that touched our hearts forever. It’s very humbling and special to reconnect with everyone so many years later. It’s just so overwhelming to witness the Power of Music. I used to think music was simply disposable and on to the next thing, but I was wrong. Now I understand - music IS eternal!
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Dear DAVID
QI have dated some great guys, and I have even been in a few shorter relationships. Every time they have ended undramatically and just kind of fizzled out before they got super serious. Now, I am in a different situation. I am with a great guy, and we have been together for a good while now. The issue is that I just don’t feel the same way about him anymore, so I’m thinking maybe I should break up with him. He is very much in love with me, and he wants to take next steps. I feel terrible that I have to do this to another person. Why can’t it just casually end like it’s has before?
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APeople tend to see breakups in a kind of old-fashioned way: they happen because of flaws, defects, or irreconcilable turns of events. That’s not exactly what is going on in your case. The way you describe how ear- lier relationships have just ‘fizzled out’ tells me that you have not tak- en the same emotional steps in this relationship as your boyfriend has – and now, you’re just not feeling it. So you should probably go ahead and break up with him. Will it hurt him? Probably. Will you feel shitty about it? Yes. But you are doing yourself and your boyfriend a favor by not procrastinating. And once you have broken up with him, maybe you can take some time to think about why your relationship end before they get serious, because that sounds like a ‘you’ and not ‘them’ problem. Are you afraid of commitment and opening up to someone else? Are you scared of feeling co-dependent? Only you can tell, so it’s time to move on from this relationship, mature a little, and learn how to respect your own and other people’s feelings a little better.
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