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Amy Schneider, In Her Own Words By Chris Azzopardi Photos Sean Black
Amy Schneider has made at least one thing It’s official. It’s part of the record now.” clear: she is the person you want on your trivia team. The Ohio native ruled the “Jeopardy!” stage this year like a queen in her castle — the You’ve got an ISBN number and a toaster. I only question she couldn’t seem to answer was mean, what more could you really ask for? whether her winning streak would ever end. Viewers, who she won over with every win (an incredible 40 by the end), sure hoped it wouldn’t. Indeed. I mean, this was quite a toaster, I have to What we, or she for that matter, couldn’t guess is say. just how big her win would be. It was history-making big, as she became the most successful woman ever to compete on the ultimate quiz competition If ever there was a time for a trans activist, show. Schneider left “Jeopardy!” $1.3 million richer, especially one such as yourself with a and she left the world at large with something even universal, beloved platform, it’s now. But what’s more valuable — an invitation, for all of the families so unique about your platform is the audience watching, to understand her life as a trans person. you attracted just by being a “Jeopardy!” contestant. How do you think being on “So when did I know I was trans? Always. Never. “Jeopardy!” helped you reach an audience who In 1986, or 1993, or 1996, or 2011, or 2016, or may not understand trans people or are just 2017, or any and all years in between,” she writes blatantly anti-trans? in her debut memoir, “In the Form of a Question: The Joys and Rewards of a Curious Life.” “I’ve come to realize that I don’t much care when I I certainly knew going in that it’s an older knew I was trans, or even if I know it now. All I demographic that watches “Jeopardy!” And so care about is that you know. And now you do.” those are people that are less likely to know trans people or to be supportive of trans rights, so I In the book, Schneider, 44, reflects on becoming was definitely bracing myself for a lot of negative a nationally recognized and beloved trans feedback from the “Jeopardy!” audience. The fact celebrity, but these turning points are just part of is that that was really minimal. Instead, what I heard her overall story. She shares other aspects of her from so many different people was usually talking life with unflinching candor and inviting repartee about their parents or people in their family who in her multifaceted memoir, which is deliberately had seen me and were like, “You’re the first trans less wholesome than her “Jeopardy!” image. By person that I ever heard them gender correctly and gaining a richer understanding of her life, you can’t use the right pronouns [for]. It really changed the help but become a fan of the person she is, not just way I think about trans people’s place in our society.” the awe-inspiring quiz-show contestant she was. I think that there is a loud minority of people that are Now that Schneider has the world’s attention, motivated by hatred and othering and hierarchies. she’s using her platform to open up about the But I think most of the people that they get their intimate parts of what a trans life can look like. votes from that end up supporting these policies It may be eye-opening for some outside the aren’t doing it out of that motivation. They’re queer community and, even for those within it, doing it because they were raised in an America surprising and affirming: her newfound fame (and that taught that trans people were frightening zealousness for the free touchscreen toaster fame and scary and weird and laughable, as I was. afforded her), having ADD, being pro-polyamory (not so popular in the Midwest, she admits), her I was raised with all those same messages, and touching experience with a prostitute and how if you have never encountered an actual trans doing theater was critical in helping her understand person, you’re just not going to question what who she is. I spoke with Schneider at the end of you’ve always been told. And so for all those September, the same week her book hit shelves. people, it was just once they saw me — and I just obviously am not any of those ridiculous things — then that was all that needed to happen for them Congratulations on the book. What is going to change their mind, which I was not expecting. through your mind right now as you promote it? With this book, instead of writing just about your “Jeopardy!” experiences, you’ve decided Oh, I mean, it’s just been a blur. I’ve been in New to present an in-depth look at your full life as a York for four days, and I did “CBS Mornings” and trans person. “The View” today and I just barely have time to stop and think about it. But yesterday I did go to a Barnes & Noble a couple blocks away, and indeed At the time I was pitching the book, I just spent a few there it was. It’s really real, so it’s pretty exciting. months doing nothing but talking about “Jeopardy!” I just was tired of it, so that was part of why I didn’t want to just make it about that. But then there were What was it like seeing your book at Barnes & two things I was thinking of. One was those people Noble for the first time? who had gotten to know me. They had seen my most presentable, likable, normal self. While that wasn’t inauthentic, it’s a big simplification of who Pretty great. The real moment was when I got my I am and what my life has been. So if those same author’s copies; that really hit me. I just remember people were to encounter trans people in real looking at it being like, “It’s got an ISBN number. life and not just on TV and see the complexities
and not necessarily as relatable things that have this platform. I get the chance to write a book, and happened to them, then maybe they’re just like, it’s something that I think is so misunderstood. I “Oh, why can’t they just be like that Amy from feel like in retrospect, I could have gotten this point TV?” It was something I felt a responsibility to across slightly more clearly. But to me, it’s more do — to show my full self in that sense, so that about sexual monogamy being the one and only you could see that those things about me aren’t definition of a relationship. I find [it] baffling, to be incompatible with being successful and being honest. I think that it partly comes from patriarchal nice and smart. And so that I shouldn’t be written types of ownership. I think that certainly I know off for them, and neither should other people. that when I was living as a man in a polyamorous relationship, it was other men who were extremely Then the other audience I was thinking of was just hostile to me for it. Really, it made them angry that “I other trans people specifically like me, the younger would allow my wife to have sex with other people.” version of me. What are the things that I wish I So it is just something that I feel strongly about, and had known a lot sooner about what it really means I also know that I’m in the extreme minority with that to be trans and what that internal experience is viewpoint. Trans rights have a decent following, like? And the simplified version that I understood but polyamory is still pretty niche. It is going to and that some trans people have lived up to? surprise people, and just let people know that there are rational people out there who believe in that. I’ve known trans people in childhood who were fighting with their parents over what clothes to You flew home to your home state of Ohio on wear from age 4. That was my understanding the day you were attending the Out100 Gala to of what counted as a real trans person, and [I testify against a bill that would restrict genderthought] since that didn’t apply to me, I couldn’t be affirming medical care for minors. That bill is a real trans person. I can only tell my own story, still in committee. What do we do if and when it but it is a story that I sure would’ve liked to have potentially passes? heard when I was younger. Keep fighting is all that you can do. I think that the In the beginning of the book, though, you do say thing that I would say is, first of all, when it comes that this is not a book for kids. Was it difficult for to medical care, there is some reason for hope in you to decide between writing a book that could the course that these things won’t be enforceable. reach a younger LGBTQ+ demographic given how That’s no guarantee either, of course. The other a book by you could influence them, but ultimately thing is to comfort ourselves with the fact that time opting to write a book that is more adult-oriented? is on our side on this. Every day somebody sees a trans person on TV or something happens where they get it, and they realize that trans people are just Well, actually, the good news is that I didn’t really people who deserve the same dignity as everyone have to choose because in the deal that I signed, the else. When somebody does that, that’s a oneagent that originally reached out to me mostly does way street. They don’t end up going back on that. children’s literature. She was just going to make sure that any deal I signed had an option for a children’s So the people that are targeting us right now, it’s version of it as a middle-grade version. And so this backlash because they see themselves losing, that is something that we’re in the early stages of. and they will. It doesn’t mean that there’s not a lot of hardship and suffering being caused by them now, I’m going to be working with somebody who’s and that’s awful, and we should resist as much as we written for middle grade before. Because it’s a can, but there is a legitimate reason not to despair. different skill set and obviously it is going to not include every part of this book, but the parts that What would you tell a kid that makes them not are appropriate, we’ll be pulling those out. That feel like the “deviant subhuman” that some said, like I say, that wasn’t exactly my idea in the consider trans people to be? beginning. That was just something my agent wanted. I’d been all ages on “Jeopardy!” and there were parts of my life that aren’t appropriate This is what’s so crazy to me about people who for kids, but still felt very important to share. say negative and hateful things to me, saying, “Oh, The thing about trans people and queer people you’re really a man.” I am legitimately the world’s is, because we did not fit into the moral systems expert on my own mind and my brain and what’s that we grew up in, we are going to be more going on inside of it. How can anyone else even experimental around things like drugs and sex think that they know better than me and what and violate rules that way because the rules my own internal truth is? That’s something that that we were raised with were so wrong. That anyone can remind themselves of. You may not is part of what frightens people about queer be a “Jeopardy!” champion, you may not be these people. So, that was also part of why I wanted other things, but the one thing you are truly an to show, at least as best I could, why I wound expert in is yourself. You can rely on that and know up doing those societally less-acceptable things. that other people, if they disagree, they’re just definitively wrong because how could they know? I love that there’s a chapter about polyamory. Again, I feel like it will be one in which people may read your book because they loved you on It’s an interesting time to release a book as “Jeopardy!” and they’ll get to that chapter and a trans person, given that books with queer their mind might be blown. Why did you decide content are under attack. It is possible your to express that side of yourself in the book? book could be banned from libraries. What do It’s something that I feel strongly about, and here’s you say to the people who want to get rid of
our literature and our books and potentially But just today, one of the crew on one of the shows your book? I did during this press run pulled me aside to say that they had a trans daughter that had just come I would say that people that believe in banning out, and that was very meaningful to her to have books are unlikely to become “Jeopardy!” seen me. I do hear those stories, and it’s the best thing ever to hear a story like that. Because I feel champions. so passionately about the trans kids out there and what they’re up against, and it makes me so sad at times. To hear that I’m helping some of them is just I love that shady comment. the very best feeling. Yeah, and it’s true. I think that the mindset that people need to be shielded from information and protected from it, it harms yourself. When you shield yourself from information, you make yourself less knowledgeable, and ultimately you’re going to be less powerful if you know less. Young people will find that knowledge no matter what you take away from them. They have other ways to be connected. There is TikTok. There is YouTube. Yeah. I mean, even before the internet that was always the case. Certainly, I was raised in a family and community that did their darndest to keep me from learning anything about sex, but I figured it out. Since your fame happened and wasn’t something you were expecting, was there ever a moment where you had to wrestle with being the major trans activist that you have become? Yeah, it certainly is. I mean, it is an ongoing thing that I continue to wrestle with. Since I testified in Ohio, I haven’t really done anything like that again since. There’s a part of me that feels somewhat guilty about that. Not overwhelmingly, but I wish I had continued more of that specific type of activism. It’s also, I’ve got this book to write and I’ve got to balance my own mental wellbeing, and how much I’m willing to take on and all of those things. This platform is extremely lucky but lucky doesn’t mean undeserved. I’m fortunate to This interview has been lightly edited and have this opportunity, but that doesn’t mean condensed for clarity. I don’t have the right to take advantage of it and to use the platform that I have. That’s something that took me a while to start to accept. Chris Azzopardi is the Editorial Director of Pride Source Media Group and Q Syndicate, the Do you have a barometer for understanding national LGBTQ+ wire service. He has interviewed how you have changed social attitudes about a multitude of superstars, including Cher, Meryl trans people? Even activists, I imagine, Streep, Mariah Carey and Beyoncé. His work need that kind of validation to keep going. has also appeared in The New York Times, Vanity Well, it used to be Twitter DMs and Fair, GQ and Billboard. Reach him via Twitter @ now that site is sinking into the ground. chrisazzopardi. I would get a lot of stories from people about how it meant something in their family. Then also, I’m recognized out in public pretty regularly, and most of the time it’s, “Oh, loved you on ‘Jeopardy!’ I watched every episode.” Things like that, which are a delight to hear and I love that.
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Boy Culture was a landmark in queer cinema. established that “we’re here and we’re queer” and Released in 2006, it told the story of a male escort now we’re finally getting to explore the messiness and his two roommates in Seattle as they navigated of what being queer in the world right now actually love, sex, and complicated relationships. The film entails. And we’re getting to see queer characters was celebrated for its candid portrayal of queer who are empowered and exercising their agency life, offering a nuanced and authentic narrative that instead of victims and tragic closet cases. resonated with many. Would you say audiences have changed? Or perhaps what viewers Now, nearly two decades later, Darryl Stephens want from gay cinema has changed? returns to reprise the character for the film’s long- Audiences have evolved along with the culture awaited sequel, Boy Culture: Generation X. itself. Queer kids today are standing up in the face of conservatives and making it clear that The new film aims to capture the essence of the they are no longer interested in conforming to original while exploring the new challenges gay the patriarchal white cis heteronormative bullshit men face in a changing world. We spoke with Darryl we’ve all been stuck in. And hopefully, cinema is Stephens from his home in Los Angeles, where he reflecting that as well. I think it’s important to note expressed his gratitude in taking on the role again, that for a long time, for a gay film to be successful, for the opportunity it offered in continuing the there was an expectation that someone would conversation around queer representation, love, be naked and having graphic gay sex. Now, with and acceptance in today’s society. the internet and the countless porn sites at our You’ve starred in Noah’s Arc, Another Gay Movie, fingertips at all times, gay films no longer carry the Circuit, Boy Culture, and now Boy Culture: burden of providing that singular glimpse into our Generation X. Are you the king of gay cinema? sex lives. So now we have more space to explore I’m sure some white dude has already laid claim our emotional lives in film. to that title, but I do get around. Or I did back in the day. I think back then, a lot of gay actors were worried that doing gay projects would limit their The new film is even more diverse than access to non-gay roles in mainstream projects, the first, and talks a lot more about race. whereas I saw each project as an opportunity to Well, the first film took place in Seattle, which at the work and be seen. Even if gay indie films were the time felt very white. Director Allan Brocka insisted only gigs I was getting, the roles I was playing were on making my character black, even though he was a corn fed white boy in the book. Allan’s so varied! It was a helluva time! always been about pushing the envelope and How has gay cinema evolved expanding the aperture of gay cinema to include over the last twenty years? more diverse characters. But he and Matthew It seems like “gay” has gotten more “queer” in Rettenmund (author of the book and co-writer cinema and our stories are moving past “blond boy of the new film) were very intentional this time meets brunette boy” to include characters who are about discussing race, and more specifically, the trans and gender expansive and from cultures of the blind spots inherent in interracial relationships. I global majority. We’re exploring more complicated think both writers probably have insights into how and nuanced characters as well. Melodramatic challenging it is to navigate conversations around coming out stories have made way for comedies race in an intimate context and it really makes for about high school lesbians who start all-girl fight original and bold storytelling. clubs to bag cheerleaders. I think we’ve firmly
aren’t really the focus. They’re trying to navigate living together as their lives take them in different directions. Newcomer Jason Caceres joins the BC mix as Chayce. What was it like working with him? Jason is a delight. Truly. He’s got killer comedic timing and he knows exactly what he’s doing on set. He seems young but he’s a pro. Does Chayce represent the new gay? It’s crazy to realize that the first movie came out before Grindr! Chayce represents A new gay. In many ways, he could just as easily be a straight guy teaching X how to monetize sex in the digital age, because if you look at who is dominating sites like OnlyFans, it’s straight dudes who have learned how to market their bodies to gay men. Kids these days, I’ll tell ya...
Sex work has also changed so much in the last few years. The shroud of mystery that X used to his advantage during the first film isn’t what sells these days. Now, everyone is selling sex. During the pandemic, actors and fashion models had to pay their bills somehow. Suddenly everyone was naked on the internet.
What’s next for you, Darryl? Kyle Puccia and I have written a pilot that we’re producing this winter. It’s a coming of age comedy about a trans athlete finding his tribe in a new school. As you know, Hollywood has been rocked by labor strikes these past few months and we’ve all had to confront the reality of what streamer Is it why you decided to be a part and studio execs think of the artists that keep the of Boy Culture: Generation X? industry going. It’s been disheartening, to say the Quite honestly, I was excited to work with Allan least. A number of streamers have also recently again. As a director, he pulls something out of me been canceling queer shows and then taking them that I rarely get to explore in my work. Andrew’s down so viewers can’t even revisit the series. It very thoughtful and a lot of what he’s experiencing has all really highlighted the need for production is in his head. He’s not the funny one or the sassy companies that value our work and our stories. one. He’s the thoughtful one. He’s the one who is So that’s what I’m working on. Telling stories and struggling to figure out what he wants to do with creating platforms that allow us to see ourselves. his life. And Allan gives me space to find that quiet You know, changing the world type stuff. uncertainty. Boy Culture: Generation X is available for TVOD rental across numerous platforms including Was it easy to jump back into the role of Andrew? Apple, Amazon, Google. For more information, Most of my scenes are with Derek Magyar, so visit www.dekkoo.com. Andrew came pretty naturally. I feel very lucky that Derek was able to do this project because he initially had a scheduling conflict and they thought they would have to recast the role. Fortunately, it all worked out because working with him all those years ago, we’d created a shorthand and a real appreciation for what the other actor was bringing. When we last saw Andrew in the first Boy Culture movie, he and Magyar’s character, X, were together at last. Where is Andrew ten years later in Boy Culture: Generation X? Well, they’ve broken up but they’re still living together in LA. X has decided after all this time to return to sex work just as Andrew is realizing he has no idea who he is or what he wants. It’s that late 30s existential crisis of “am I just my job or is there more to me than this?” Who is to blame for the predicament in which Andrew and X find themselves? X apparently broke up with Andrew, but by the time this story begins, the details of the breakup
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What if, instead of self-care, revenge. Why does every person at the grocery store feel like my enemy?
Your whole outfit is from Shein but Cheesecake Factory is where you draw the line? It’s all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits. When I said I liked it rough, I didn’t mean my entire life. You only live once. You should try to spend as much time as possible on the computer. After yiu die, you won’t have access to it. You'd think with this big ass head I'd think more.
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