THINKING OUT LOUD
This is nothing more than a simple example of an idea published.
THINKING OUT LOUD Written by Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty, Haobo Chen, Louis Yiallouris, Veronica Law, Joe Mania and Philip Linnemann
INDEX
FOREWORD
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15TH OF FEBRUARY
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16TH OF FEBRUARY
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17TH OF FEBRUARY
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20TH OF FEBRUARY
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22ND OF FEBRUARY
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23RD OF FEBRUARY
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24TH OF FEBRUARY
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27TH OF FEBRUARY
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28TH OF FEBRUARY
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1ST OF MARCH
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2ND OF MARCH
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3RD OF MARCH
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6TH OF MARCH
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7TH OF MARCH
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9TH OF MARCH
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10TH OF MARCH
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12TH OF MARCH
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13TH OF MARCH
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15TH OF MARCH
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16TH OF MARCH
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INDEX
17TH OF MARCH
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18TH OF MARCH
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20TH OF MARCH
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21ST OF MARCH
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22ND OF MARCH
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23RD OF MARCH
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24TH OF MARCH
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FOREWORD
“Thinking Out Loud� is a collection of thoughts and conversations about paper between the six members of this group. This uncut uncensored collection is chronologically displayed throughout this book to narrate the steps of research, analysis and development these six members went through during this month-anda-half journey. By using the social networking tool, Facebook, the group created a private, multi-user conversation where all members shared their thoughts, progress and regrets, and, after battling against time to find a strong concept which could be manifested as a single piece about paper, the inception and validation of this book marks the end of this conversation.
FOREWORD
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NAME OF THREAD: OLLA SENORITA AND AMIGOS
15TH OF FEBRUARY
Joe Mania although louis doesnt have an facebook account, i thought it might be helpful to have a little FB chat. maybe we can use this chat to discuss “private stuff” and just use the blog as a reference for inspiration...? and own work of course. BLOG IS ONLINE. http://handcraftblog.blogspot.com/ email: handcraftblog@gmail.com PW: ilovehandcraft going to customize it later. keep on uploading LETS DO THIS
Philip Linnemann Great! So now we are up and running! Just posted an idea for Thursday. Let’s start sharing, wuhu.
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Joe Mania we might want to think about a logo aswell... Veronica Law Hey hey! I had a few ideas of what we could do... theres just so many possibilities! I’ve already contact 10 companies and places on workshops, but I have a feeling that they probably won’t allow us to attend for this thursday since it’s such late notice! Here’s a few websites i’ve visited and contacted too for a one day workshop. Some are a bit expensive... but probably worth it. If we can’t find a place, there are the things we could possibly do... - Make soap! we can recreate soap from scratch... design and reform or make a mould for it to any shape we like. we can do this at home or try and contact this workshop http://www.genesissoap.co.uk/Bar-Soap-Making-Workshop(1860221).htm - Use the Chelsea workshop - known to be the biggest metal and wood workshop in london... why don’t we take advantage of that? - Learn from street crafts- people you see on the street making photo frames from wires etc... we can appreciate them. - visit galleries and place involving crafts- nice to see what other people do... - Make our own wax candles - Book Binding also another website i stumbled across http://ukhandmade.co.uk/ all the best, Ronnie x
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Philip Linnemann Yeah we have a lot of things to discuss on Thursday, but first of all we need to determine what sort of publication we want to do for this project and the ethos behind. Here are some different things to think about until we meet: Which approach are we going to take on this? What do we want to tell with our publication? Do we want to go into a specific craft or give a broader picture of handcraft? Do we want to encourage people to learn handcraft skills or do we just want to inform people? How do we want to publish this project: which medium/media are we going to use? In other words: it is vital to reach an agreement on what our goal with this project is and how we are gonna present it. When we know that, then we can start developing visual identity such as logo ect. As Kieron wrote to us yesterday we are going to work on this project for 5-6 weeks. The faster we find out what we want to achieve and how, the more time we have to create an awesome piece of work! So be prepared for Thursday guys :D Veronica Law winsor things sounds nice too!! since we’ll be working on this for quite a while.. visiting many workshops would be great..i’ll show you guys a few on wednesday? =) Philip Linnemann That sounds great veronica! I’m totally up for visiting a few different places too and never the less, that gives us opportunities for great documentations.
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Speak tomorrow then! Veronica Law Hi guys! i got a call from a lady from a silver work studio. And basically she is willing to have 6 of us come to her studio for the day and we can make silver jewellery, pendant, ring and also glass beads as she shares a studio with a guy that makes glass beads! how cool is that?.... However, she can only do this friday 10-4pm... we’d have to miss the lecture to go to this... they can also pick us up hahaha from Petersfield ... so costs! The original cost for the day would be £120... but i negotiated and said we were students etc... and there would definately be 6 of us.... down to £85 is that ok with everyone? bearing in mind it is silver we’re making. i can try and negotiate even more down to like £70 or £80... but i don’t know how low i can negotiate. i have to get back to her before tomorrow afternoon though so please get back to me =) Joe Mania OH HO HO THANKS FOR THAT. missing the lecture shouldnt be a problem at all. 15 pound each isnt too much aswell. sounds good to me... but, i always work at a proper jeweller back at home.
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http://www.patrikmuff.com/index.php?Startseite so, no need for me to create any type of jewellery. =) but i could some filming while u guys work on some silver stuff??? do you have a homepage of them? the only thing i have in mind at the moment is, that i personally think that glass beads always look super cheap and cheesy. maybe we should discuss first which way we`re going, and then see where we spend money on. not that we already spend too much money at the very first days, and then dont have the money when we actually ned it? what does the rest of the group think? HAOBO? SAM? LOUIS? (has an facebook account since today... YIHAAAA) WHERE ARE YOU? Patrik Muff - Startseite www.patrikmuff.com Joe Mania at 21:05 OH, its 85pound each. i thought 85 for all of us. thats too much for me then. sorry.
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Veronica Law okies kool.. i think its too much money anyways, cos what she means is per person! yikes.. well i’ll e-mail her tomorrow saying that we can’t afford it lol okies dokie... we’ll discuss tomorrow where we’re heading =) oh kool mania makes jewellery.... Interesting! seems like sam and Bo doesn’t go on facebook much unlike us... haha to be honest.. i e-mailed so many people that i can’t remember what website they had lol! but never mind! its way too expensive.. haha Joe Mania where and when do we meet tomorrow? if we meet somewhere. or was it planned as a FB meeting? Veronica Law Sam’s got Library at 10-11am I’ve got Library thing at 11-12pm you guys finish at what time? Philip Linnemann Hey guys, Seems like we’re in from 10.30 - 1.00, so unless u guys wanna wait (which would be cool) I guess we’re just gonna see each other on Thursday. If nobody have a realistic suggestion I think it would be really cool to go to Harrow to the Winsor & Newton. At least we could always just do the museum and that would be cool. Let me hear your thoughts. P
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16TH OF FEBRUARY
Joe Mania the winsor newton thing sounds really intersting. how long will it take to go there? louis and me quite like the idea of spending the day in the workshop creating something new out of something old. I AM UP FOR EVERYTHING. Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty Yeah the winsor newton thing sounds cool, I’m up for that. keep me posted, S. Joe Mania sorry guys. not coming in today. but will see you all tomorrow then. Philip Linnemann Winsor & Newton it is then!! I will e-mail Kieron about it.
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The place is a short walk from Harrow & Wealdstone tube station which is the last stop on the Bakerloo line. We meet at that station at 10.30 tomorrow. Please reply and confirm this. For those of you who wants to, we could meet at Baker Street station at 9.45 and take the tube together. Joe could you bring your camera in case we got some documentary potential? I’ll bring my camera for stills aswell. Please bring ideas and maybe questions for an interview with a Winsor & Newton associate. Looking forward to tomorrow guys!
Haobo Chen wwwhhooopppp!!!!! : from ronnie.. hehe also.. waiting for phillip and louis atm.. =) in the canteen with bo.. cya all ;) Philip Linnemann Sorry guys, we are done very soon! Joe Mania confirmed. 10.30 at harrow & wealdstone station. ill bring my full charged camera wih me. hope we can film lots of stuff.
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sorry again im not in today. Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty Sounds good, but can anyone give me the exact address? im coming by scooter... I couldnt find any address in the area on internet. Otherwise I’ll just meet you at the station.
17TH OF FEBRUARY
Philip Linnemann at 08:04 Here’s the address Sam: Winsor & Newton Whitefriars Avenue Harrow Middlesex HA3 5RH England See you soon
Joe Mania at 08:08 Good morning
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Philip Linnemann at 08:10 God morgen! Det er længe siden jeg har været så tidligt oppe! Joe Mania at 08:54 Guten morgen allerseits. Dann sehn wir uns ja gleich. Schau mer mal dann seng ma scho. Philip Linnemann at 09:12 Hahah google translate didn’t make any sense of that last sentence. Jeg smutter herfra om 10 min, så vi ses snart!
Joe Mania at 09:20 The last sengende is an Extrakt from The Worlds Most Famous Football player ‘franz beckenbauer’ It means “let’s have a look, and then we’ll see” See you all in a bit. Sent via Facebook Mobile Veronica Law at 21:39 LOL!!!!!! hahahahahaha Philip Linnemann at 22:51 Hey guys! Thanks for a great day! I’ve just uploaded a summery of today with a bit of homework as well :) I suggest that people become followers on the blog with their own e-mail accounts so you get a notification every time there’s an update from someone.
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20TH OF FEBRUARY
Joe Mania at 03:56 whats the plan for monday? Veronica Law at 11:23 I think we should probably bring in the free gift... To show what we got out of the day... And our future plans... E.g. Trying out as much as we can ... We are not certain about the final outcome yet.. But if we were to do a magazine I’m totally kool with that... Plus a documentary. We could tell them the possible places we’re gonna visit and who we have contacted... I’ve got a few mnore places so I’ll post them up after work today... Later on in the evening. I can do a few food crafts as well next week with vegs and fruits. Etc my mate knows a place that makes boats as well... So yea keep me posted guys! Xx Joe... 3.56? O_o... Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 12:16 Hey dudes and dudesses, I talked to Keiron about our thing during my assessment and got a bit of feedback. You want to meet up at like 11.45 on Monday to give us an hours to figure out what we’re going to do? I got a few ideas... Philip Linnemann at 12:56 Hey folks, I really hope you have all read my post on the blog from Thursday. Since I didn’t have much work to talk about at my assessment I spent it talking about this project.
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As you probably know Kieron emphasis a lot on the PROCESS (sorry there are no text hierarchy app, so I write bold/underlined in UPPERCASE). This means he isn’t necessarily interested in what places we want to visit or how we want to publish it; he is first of all interested in our ETHOS for this project. WHAT DO WE WANT TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS ASSIGNMENT AND WHICH VALUES DO WE WANT TO COMMUNICATE. Saying we want to make a publication project about handcraft is not enough. We have to have a deeper meaning; a CONCEPT. Think of it as the prologue in a book, where the author writes WHY he is writing this book and what he wants people to understand, what message he is trying to get across the pages. Finding that overall concept is what makes a GREAT and UNIFORMLY project. And from there we can begin researching and developing the IDEAS. So I say that everyone think about 5-6 different directions we can take to this project for tomorrow. I don’t know when we are supposed to talk to Kieron, but I think that we have to meet up at least one hour before! Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 16:12 yeah thats what i was saying... lets meet up at like 11.30ish since our thing is at 12.45. And same with me with Kieron... we talked about process. See you tomorow! Veronica Law at 19:47 yea we did discuss that ... i think we were just too caught up in visiting a lot of places. but yea.. i have a few ideas too... see you all tomorrow =)
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Philip Linnemann at 19:51 Great! See you at 11.30 in canteen with ideas then :) Haobo Chen at 20:25 I got some idea as well, let’s talk at 1130 tomorrow.
22ND OF FEBRUARY
Veronica Law at 17:36 check this out guys.. might not be relevant to crafts but its cool! =D haha http://www.youtube.com/user/tippexperience Philip Linnemann at 22:47 Hey guys, Do you wanna meet up around 11.30-12.00 tmo before people are going to David’s class? Haobo Chen at 22:52 I think Joe want to meet up after the class,Veroni told me, but before or after the class are all fine for me. Philip Linnemann at 23:05 I’m sorry, but I can’t do after 3.30 unfortunately. Maybe some of us could meet up before discussing some stuff and beginning the visuals for the presentation and then those who wants to meet up afterwards instead can finish that?
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Haobo Chen at 23:10 I think you should speak to joe, I can meet you in the morning if you want
23RD OF FEBRUARY
Veronica Law at 00:09 okies... sure in the morning =) see you guys at 11.30 ? Haobo Chen at 00:10 ok Philip Linnemann at 09:26 ok cool. Joe what do you say to this? Joe Mania at 11:49 sorry. overslept as zhmvdrhz8juiklopöüä+ the baswde # my phone went out of battery. im on my way in a few minutes. apologize Philip Linnemann at 19:57 Guys I would really appreciate if somebody could prepare some sort of slide for tmo. I have a presentation for my NY elective tmo as well which I need to work on the whole night, so I can’t really contribute myself. Sry
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Veronica Law at 20:02 we decided that we show everything in the blog.. and talk to people about our ideas.. sam wasn’t too keen on PDF.. cos we technically haven’t got much to show.. in terms of new information.. since everyone sort of knows about what sort of crafts are already out there... but each of us will upload something onto the blog. Philip Linnemann at 20:03 Good idea! See you tmo then Philip Linnemann at 20:05 Btw - Maybe someone should delete the ‘Simon’ picture :-) Veronica Law at 20:07 lol!!!!!!! hahaha... i think we shudd keep it on haha.. nah kidding .... me and joe wanted to get bubble hats like kieron and all of us wear it.. i should knit 6! =O that will take a very long time tho.. and i would have to learn how to knit..
24TH OF FEBRUARY
Veronica Law at 18:53 Seriously guys... the guy’s hand writing is really bad. He can’t even spell Camberwell properly.. =S I’m going to e-mail Rob Rankine to double check on the spelling.
24TH OF FEBRUARY
This is what I think the e-mail addresses spell out. Maybe we should make a new thread and add louis on? SPACE FOR BOTH COLLEGES John Caubery- CCA & WCA: j.caubery@camberwell.arts.ac.uk TIMETABLE PEOPLE Giuseppe de Chiara- LCC: g.de_chiara@lcc.arts.ac.uk Jenny Chitterden- CSM: j.chitterden@csm.arts.ac.uk James Laffotey- LCF: j.laffotey@lcf.arts.ac.uk
OTHER VERY IMPORTANT PEOPLE AT UNI Chelsea Space- Donald Smith: d.s.smith@chelsea.arts.ac.uk Md Throp- BA FineArt co ordinator: m.throp@chelsea.arts.ac.uk Brian Chalkley- MA Fine Art co ordinator: b.chalkley@chelsea.arts.ac.uk
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Babek Ghazi- PE pip cd? <terrible handwrittinnggg b.ghazi@chelsea.arts.ac.uk
27TH OF FEBRUARY
Haobo Chen at 23:05 Guys, when shall we meet up tomorrow? Joe Mania at 23:09 hey hey. 1.45pm in the canteen tomorrow, if possible. sorry we`re emailing this out so late. good stuff on the blog. Haobo Chen at 23:31 thatâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s cool, I will be in the college around 1130 any way.see then
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Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 01:19 cool, see you then
1ST OF MARCH
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Haobo Chen at 20:49 guys anybody know whatâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s going on tomorrow? Joe Mania at 21:13 papermaking i heard. but maybe someone could bring in a blender? or we try at home? suggestions? if we meet: sounds 2pm good to you all? i have to be at victoria from 1 to 1.30 or we meet before. Haobo Chen at 21:36 I tried to make the paper, but failed... anyway, I think we should meet up and get ready for Thursdayâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s persentation. Joe Mania at 21:38 i am definitely up for two... Veronica Law at 21:38 yea maybe we can film out how to make paper but better than any other video out
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there lol =D ... Sam says he has a blender =) and yea.. 2pm sounds good x Joe Mania at 21:39 fantastic. i will bring my camera. this should be enough for thursday then anyway. and yes, all the tutorials on how to make paper are already rubbish compared to our one. Haobo Chen at 21:41 ok,2pm is cool. anything else we need to bring? Joe Mania at 21:56 dont think so. water, blender, paper. Haobo Chen at 22:03 cool
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Philip Linnemann at 10:45 Hey guys, Sorry, again, for my absent in this thread. Unfortunately I have a long essay to hand in (online) today about my exchange for my elective. Iâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;ll be working on it the whole day, so I might have trouble coming in today. Sorry... Papermaking sounds cool though! Maybe we could make our own bookcovers with embossed titles. Have you seen the papertrays you can get in most cafĂŠs for your take away coffees? They look quite easy to blend and reshape. It would be cool if everyone could think of an essential concept our book. We are only missing the very last piece now. I will meet up with ideas tomorrow. Hope you make it without me ;) Phil Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 14:11 hey dudes, im going to be late, but start making stuff without me...
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3RD OF MARCH
Philip Linnemann at 21:31 Hey people! Time is soon running against us and it would be a shame to waste another weekend on scratching ass so we decided to meet up tomorrow at 1 o’clock at uni. Are people still up for that? We need to start working on the material for the book and to determine the final concept. Sounded like you had a good conversation yesterday. P Joe Mania at 22:06 agree with philip. we should get the final concept for tomorrow. 1pm is a good time. see you guys tomorrow. bring USB if you want a copy of the footage we filmeed the other day (6GB) Veronica Law at 22:38 I’ll have you know Mr Linnemann... I was scratching my elbow.. =D lol yea.. kool 1pm is good! i’ll bring in an awesome book called paper crafts too =)
6TH OF MARCH
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Joe Mania at 16:11 hey all. just got kierons email. our group is the last one on monday (1pm) you reckon we should cancel it like we discussed last time, or...?) rays talk is at 2.30 please get back with ideas for an excuse not to see him, i am not too good in making things up, haha alright. see your faces tomorrow. Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 16:28 Sorry dudes but tomorrow I have to stay home to wait for my internet repair man. My time slot is anytime between 8am and 6pm, so if the guy shows up in the morning Iâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;ll come over. Veronica Law at 18:52 ermm i dunno.... decisions decisions.. If we DO see him ..we can show him the video edit of our how to make paper video and say how we got influenced by this and decided to create three books
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based on ‘paper’. In order to maintain the notion of craft within the publication, pop up and interactive pages/sections are integrated therefore creating an experience for the reader. If we DON’T see him... we can give the excuse of a group field trip to a paper mill/ factory. Which means we would definitely have to go to one if we say this... i am currently in the situation of looking for one that we can have access to. any other ideas lads? x Veronica Law 06 March at 19:13 hey guys! i think we should definately visit this place anyways or whenever we get the chance since its in north east london check it out http://www.thepapertrail.org.uk/default.asp?V_DOC_ID=840 Joe Mania 06 March at 19:28 lets go and see kieron. just showing him the footage of how we made paper. if he tries to make us change the idea we just tell him that we want to go for it and DONT want him to makes us change the concept AGAIN. see you tomorrow. Philip Linnemann at 23:43 Sounds good guys. Let’s meet with Kieron. I dont think we’re gonna have any problems to be honest. I suggest we meet at 12 just to sort things out before. SAM: Could you e-mail me the stuff you have on the timeline? philip.linnemann@ gmail.com. Joe and I will spend Tuesday working on the graphics. Great research Ronnie, sounds like a cool place!
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Joe Mania at 10:14 helllllo. any suggestions for a good mood instrumental that could go in the background of our ‘how to make paper video’? im in the upper casket from now onwards. Philip Linnemann at 10:16 veridis quo maybe? Ill join u soon mate Philip Linnemann at 10:18 Sorry forgot to attach.. dunno if it works http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhZaHf8RP6g Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 16:11 I’ll put up the text this evening. How did the thing with Kieron go? Joe Mania at 23:32 hey veronica. can you maybe bring in your abc fold book tomorrow. great stuff
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Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 23:34 What’s going on to Joe Mania at 23:41 veronica and philip come to my place to work on the infographics snd pop out pages. can you please send us over all the text you wrote down. we thought you need the tomorrow aswell to get on with some more writing?? if not, maybe get in touch whith louis and haobo. Veronica Law at 23:43 yyyyeeaaaa sure thinngg.. i might have some trouble with finding your place but i will get there! =D haha.. Joe Mania at 23:45 dont worry. its really as simple as i described it in the text. if not just call me. Veronica Law at 23:45 sam! yea.. kieron was kool... just saying how we should condense it even more and stuff... ermm... he’s glad we know what we want to do.. and that there is a reason... but yea.. he wants us to be really precise and clear and planned out for our thursday presentation.. have a very clear structure of our ideas and publication in general. Thats what i can remember so far lol Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 23:45 Ok no your right, I’ll write some more. Keep in touch.
9TH OF MARCH
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Joe Mania at 17:38 hey boys and girls. philip and me are still working on the EPIC design. its going slowly, but we are working on it. @veron ron: we changed the timeline, thats why we didnt send it over. in fact there is nothing to cut out or whatsoever as we found an AWESOME way of folding the whole timeline. would be great if we all just could think about what to tell kieron tomorrow. phil and me are working on a â&#x20AC;&#x153;decentâ&#x20AC;? looking timelime to show him what stuff we want to aim in what time.... for the next two weeks. if that makes sense to you. feeback if you want. Joe Mania at 18:39 hi everyone. lets meet tomorrow in the canteen at 10. now that the presentation has been cancelled.
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Haobo Chen at 18:56 Hi can I come at 12? I need to go to the agent to renew my flatâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s contract for next year... sorry about this , I just got their message when I arrive home this afternoon. Philip Linnemann at 20:02 Sounds good! See you all tomorrow! Veronica Law at 22:53 great stuff on the blog guys.. btw.. haha
10TH OF MARCH
Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 18:35 Hey, here are some things we might consider for the infographics: http://www.paper-paper.com/weight.html http://www.stocknod.com/IP-International-Paper-stock-prices.aspx http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=73062&p=irol-stockChart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size http://www.printindustry.com/Newsletters/Newsletter-41.aspx http://www.zrchem.com/applications/paper_coatings.asp Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 18:38 http://www.thepapermillstore.com/skin1/images/PaperWeights.pdf
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Philip Linnemann at 14:38 Hey folks, Thanks for a great day on Thursday. We got a good step further and determined some essential stuff. As you know we donâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;t have much time left - WE PRINT THIS THURSDAY - so hereâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s some stuff to do for Monday. Please be prepared@Louis & Haubo: It was great to see all the work you have done for the fold out book! Awesome guys! Now, we need to push this as far as possible. Think about how you can refine all these fold outs. E.g. the blender - are there ways to apply some nice details to make it look as real as possible apart from printing on it. Maybe buttons / wire / nice detail edges/ a material page / whatever you can think of. Try out as much as you can. We may want to apply some small simple illustrations along with the text to make the graphics look as much consistent as possible to the two other booklets. Think about what this could be. We will hopefully finish the 3rd booklet for Monday and pay full attention to your book from then, but please have as much planned out as possible so we have good time for refinements. @Sam: Thanks a lot for all the research. We still need a brilliant idea for how we want to showcase this collection and I think your the perfect guy to figure this out! Brainstorm as much as you can and present on Monday please. We have 3 completely different booklets in content and form so think about how we can present this for the reader so that he/she gets a unified experience out of it. It is a really hard task and probably the most impor-
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tant so please push ideas as much as possible. You may also want to think about a subtitle to our name/headline which can increase the links between the 3 booklets and make the concept even stronger. We have chosen to make 3 different booklets to showcase the possibilities with paper, how do we communicate that to the audience. You might want to think about other things than a box as well. @Ronnie: I don’t quite know where you are standing in the different projects, but please fill in where you find it necessary and help as much as possible! Let me know if this confuses you. @Joe: I’ll email you tonight. I will try and think about as much as possible for all 3 booklets and hopefully finish the layout of the infographics myself. Looking forward to seeing you all Monday with great ideas and further process. Let me know if you need help with anything! Philip Philip Linnemann at 20:09 btw please confirm you’ve seen this :) Have a good one everyone! Veronica Law at 21:12 i have seen this lol i was working today and just got back... and working tomorrow as well... i start on the illustrations for the pop up book and well.. yea i agree we need to refine the blender page.. a bit more.. but then again.. we don’t want to complicate it. we’ll see what we can do. i drew up all the nets already... and also.. we need to prepare for presentation on monday since our last presentation wasn’t that prepared... and i
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know u guys probs dnt give a shit about the presentation.. but maybe we can make it structured and simple so it looks like we’ve tried at least lol Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 23:40 Cool dude sounds good! I’ll send some drawings for the design of the box and try and do some good looking stuff for the presentation. I know this sounds bad and I’m really sorry, but I won’t be here on Monday. I’m filming a project I’ve been working on for ages and I had to get the camera and stuff for three consecutive days... I did it Sat, Sun and Mon thinking he presentation was Friday! But I’m sending you my share of the work and I’ll see you when-ever we next meet up. Keep me posted, S.
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Philip Linnemann at 13:57 I agree veronica. Maybe you can have a look on the presentation instead? I think we should start with presenting our concept development from beginning to now. Can you try to organise this as well? I’ll be home working after work from around 8ish. We can skype about if you want to. Ok Sam. I know I might have just mentioned this, but I just wanted to clarify that the most important task for you is to think about how we communicate to the audience why we have chosen to make these 3 booklets and why they all differ from each other in form and content. We may want to print a description on the inside / back of the bookcase, use descriptive subtitles on each cover ect. or something third. We don’t want Kieron to go like: “Yeah it looks nice, but why have you made 3 different things instead of just one? It doesn’t make sense.” To rebuttal this question is the most important. Too bad with tomorrow, but please send some worked through material. I think it’s only fair to expect the same effort from everyone. Talk to you later this evening guys! Veronica Law at 19:57 Hi guys! Yea I’ll be home around the same time... So I’ll skype u then... Not quite sure what u mean.. But yea I can start on the presentation.. X Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 23:19 Hey, here is the text I came up with for the presentation...
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In order to conduct a more thorough research and be able to create a more in depth publication, we have decided to focus on paper as an art, craft and medium. Because there are so many ways to address and analyse this theme, we started thinking about our target audience, in other words, who we wanted to communicate to: in this case, art student like ourselves with a preexisting attraction to paper, and moderate general knowledge of the subject. To attract and surprise our audience, we not only wanted to educate our audience, but also grab their attention with a strong concept, visuals and graphics. To this effect, we decided to publish a paper “kit” named PAPERspective. This kit would including a pop-up manual on how to make paper, a cleverly engineered booklet that unfolds into a double sided poster with general facts and visual infographics about paper and a infinitely self-regenerating folded time line of paper’s history. PAPERspective would be simple, elegant and bold, as it would presented as a A4 format book or box which would then unfold to reveal it’s subdivided content. If asked why 3 instead of 1, please say something around these lines: We chose graphic designers as target audience because it is the audience we know best, and we realised that we were very often attracted to objects that question and redefine the boundries of its medium. Also, it always very nice to be able to manipulate a collection of finely crafted objects. Finally, creating a kit with predefined and applied graphics allows us more freedom to explore different innovating paper engineering techniques. Philip Linnemann at 23:23 Awesome mate! Thanks a lot and good luck tomorrow Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 23:26 PS: again, I do apologies about Monday, and I agree that everyone should be expected to work the same amount. However, I don’t think it’s fair to suggest that I do less for the group. Keep me posted on how things go tomorrow, When are we
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meeting up next? Philip Linnemann at 23:37 Sorry, it wasn’t meant to be taken that way. I think you do a great participation. Just wanted you to compensate a bit for tomorrow ;) Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 23:43 Cool no worries. I’ll call you guys just to see how it went, talk to you soon, S.
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Philip Linnemann at 17:25 Hey guys I’ve uploaded the color swatches to dropbox Joe Mania at 17:29 sweet. Joe Mania at 17:55 just uploaded 2 tests for the timeline and how it could look like. couldnt think of other options so that all the information fits in. let me know. Philip Linnemann at 18:26 Hey man, I think test 1 looks really neat!
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Philip Linnemann at 11:10 Sorry guys.. I might be working from home today as I have a guy coming to install some shelves i forgot about. I’ll be on fb/skype/dropbox anyway. Let’s work ;) Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 12:00 Hey dudes, did anyone find a little black agenda? I forgot mine in class yesterday... Joe Mania at 12:05 i didnt. but can you probably send me the timeline (when finished) would be great if you could send me all the notes and then just highlight the 30 most important ones. and would be great if you could keep us to date with the information you have for the infographics aswell. thanks a lot. Philip Linnemann at 12:22 Hey sam, forgot about it, but i have your notebook. I’ll bring it in whenever we are meeting Philip Linnemann at 12:23 joey moe - hows it going with the timeline? Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 12:25 Cool, thanks phil. yeah Jo i’m working on it.
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Joe Mania at 12:28 as i wrote above: just need the ext to paste it in. and once i get some informatio of sam about ‘how to sell paper’ i can start with infographics. on what stuff are you working, phil? its all looking good, i would say. Philip Linnemann at 12:31 yep yep! I am laying out and adding a bit of text to the fold out book. Shouldn’t take too long either! Denmark’s answer on Craig David haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hLTfhtw6f4&feature=relmfu Joey Moe - My Last Serenade OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO
Joe Mania at 12:47 uahhhh, cheeeesy. Veronica Law at 13:42 waaaitt!!! hold on a mo Mr Linnemamn.... i’m doing the illustrations for the pop up book... ermm.. so yeaa..... could possibly skype later on so we can quickly discuss who does what? ronnie x
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Joe Mania at 13:47 SAAAAAAAAAAAAAM. dont forget to send the stuff. or upload it on the blog, or paste it here in FB.... Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 14:18 BC 2200 Oldest existing manuscript on papyruss. BC 500 Chinese scholar such as Confucius (551-478BC) wrote on strips of bamboo. BC 400-300 Silk is started to be used for writing.. BC 250 Invention of camel hair brush by Meng T’ien. BC 200 The King of Pergamum invents a new method of refining parchment from sheepskin. 100 Books written upon narrow strips of wood. 105 Ts’ai Lun, invents the first true paper. 106 Use of paper instead of coins in tombs of the dead, starting the use of “spiritpaper”. 142 Paper is cheaper than silk. 175 Earliest form of printing: a text of chinese classic is written in stoned, and then used for stone rubbing. 264 Earliest clearly dates paper found by Dr. Seven Hedlin, in Loulan. 300 Paper is recognised universally as a substitute for bamboo, wood and silk as a writing material. 399 Most ancient paper discovered in Tu-rfan, Chinese Turkestan, by the Russian expeditions under Dr. Griinwedel and Dr. von Le Coq, from 1902 to 1907, dates from this period. 610 Papermaking introduced into Japan from China, the country from which Japan received all of her cultural and artistic development. 707 Earliest use of paper in Mecca. 770 Empress Shotoku comissions a million copies of dharani charmes, which were
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printed on paper. 800 Earliest use of paper in Egypt, probably imported from Samarkand or Baghdad. 875 First use of toilet paper in China. 900 True paper made in Egypt for the first time. 1035 Earliest recored instance of paper “packaging”. First use of recycled paper in Japan. 1102 Earliest use of paper in Sicily. 1151 First european stamping mill, in Spain. 1189 The date usually given as the commencement of paper-making in France, in the Town of Lodeve, in the department of Herault. This assertion is now considered an error and was based on an incorrect translation and mistaken date (1348). 1221 Emperor Fredrick II, King of Naples and Sicily, prohibited the use of paper for public documents. 1282 Watermarks used in Europe for the first time. 1309 First use of paper in England. 1348 First paper mill in France, Saint-Julien. 1680 The “Hollander”, or beater, used I the maceration of materials for the making into paper, invented in the Netherlands. 1720 Pressing-hammer gave way to wooden glazing-rolls for finishing paper with a smooth surface. 1798 The paper-machine was invented by Nicholas-Louis Robert, a Frenchman. Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 14:19 I know i stop in 1800 but nothing really changes after that... just becomes more efficient... Joe Mania at 14:20 thanks
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Philip Linnemann at 14:41 Ok guys, we’ve been having some complaints on the colour swatches as they are now and I suggest we take an open discussion about it tomorrow and determine the final swatches. Please prepare at least one suggestion each with two primary colours (incl black) and one secondary colour. You might want to show different grades of those colours as well. Please show you colour suggestion on all 3 pdfs in the Color Swatches folder in dropbox. @Ronnie: If Haubo and Louis don’t have access to db please forward these files to them. Veronica Law at 14:45 they should have access to it =) Philip Linnemann at 14:48 excellent :) Joe Mania at 15:25 hey hey hey. some good old gangsta tunes to keep up the good mood while working... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYc237FxMP8 Busta rhymes - I’ll do it all - The big bang Philip Linnemann at 18:15 According to Kieron’s e-mail those people who are interested in participating in the TATE brief have to be in from 10. I therefore suggest we meet at 13.00 when the TATE brainstorm session is over. We will then
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1. Discuss and determine final color swatch. 2. Refine graphic elemtens and merge work of 2. book. 4. Share work and research on 3. book. 3. If time allows print and try out how things work on the 1. and 2. book in 3d. Please all bring colour swatch presentations. Cya tomorrow, Philip Philip Linnemann at 18:30 To answer ronnie’s question about segregation between primary and secondary colors: The primary and secondary titles in the swatch pdf represents neither “The Primary Colors” which define the RGB or CMYK colors. It simply means that the primary colors are the most dominant colors in the graphics and the secondary will only be used on certain details to distinguish the purposes of information. Veronica Law at 19:33 yep got it.. Joe Mania at 23:46 arrrr who replaced philips colour swatch ILLUSTRATOR FILE with a PDF. please upload the illustartor file again. thanks. Joe Mania at 23:50 seems to work although it is camouflaged as a .pdf NICE
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Haobo Chen at 21:34 veroni~ all the lines of the nets as 0.01pt works, but the colour, 30% gray is to hard to see on the paper, maybe try 50% or 70% gray is better Veronica Law at 23:49 Okkiiieesss!!! Only got back home... But will work on it tomorrow in the lecture theatre! =D... Xx
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Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 00:22 Hey, I finished! I’m having internet issues but I’ll send it tomorow.... What’s happening tomorow? Veronica Law 18 March at 09:54 Heeeyy ssaaamm!!! Grreeaaatt!! Well basically... but we’re planning to maybe do some prints today? i dunno really.. as in tests.. i’m gonna meet philip in covent garden at 11.30 so we can find the papers we want.. By Monday… kieron says we should prepare some mock ups and alternatives if soemthing doesn’t work.. etc.. Joe Mania at 11:34 Hey hey. As Veronica said. Phil and her go and find the paper we want. I’ll figure out how the folding of the timeline works and produce a prototype. Once I have
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received your email I’ll also do some layout stuff with all the information. Pretty much dotted for Monday I guess. Philip Linnemann at 11:46 Do you coincidentally have come cardboard or other hard paper material? I just thought it would be worth trying to apply it on the cover of the timeline like the poster. Dunno if it works? Sam: Have you e-mailed or drop boxed your work? Where can I find it? Joe Mania at 11:50 I’ll have a look. If not we can easily just buy some on Monday morning and glue it on top. Speak later Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 12:37 Hey, I’m at the internet cafe... did you get the file? Otherwise here it all is.... Congratulations. You have just purchased your very own paperspective. In this book, we will go over everything you need to know to open our very own paper factory! The first thing you will need to do, is go over the brief history of paper that is presented in this ever folding book: Paper history. Now that we know more about the theory of paper, we can move on to the practise: Making paper. During this second step, you can skim through this pop-up book and follow the different steps of paper fabrication to make your own. Now that we know both where paper comes from, and how to make it, we can move on to a more commercial aspect: paper nation. This unfolding poster/book is a source of valuable information about the international standards in paper weight, size, import/export and many others fascinating data.
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For the different spreads: Names ans situation of all major competitors. 1. International paper Pulp, Paper & Converting sales: US$ 25.0 billion 2. Georgia-Pacific Corp Pulp, Paper & Converting Sales: US$ 23.3 billion 3. Weyerhaeuser Co. Pulp, Paper & Converting Sales: US$18.5 billion 4. Kimberly-Clark Corp. Pulp, Paper & Converting Sales: USS 13.6 billion 5. Stora Enso Pulp, Paper & Converting Sales: US$ 13.4 billion 6. Procter & Gamble Pulp, Paper & Converting Sales: US$ l1.9 billion 7. UPM-Kymmene Pulp, Paper & Converting Sales: US$ 11.0 billion 8. Nippon Unipac Holding Pulp, Paper & Converting Sales: US$ 10.2 billion 9. Oji Paper Pulp, Paper & Converting Sales: USS 10.1 billion 10. Svenska Cellulosa Aktiebolaget (SCA)
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Pulp, Paper & Converting Sales: US$ 10.0 billion Weight and size weight http://www.paperonweb.com/density.htm http://www.paperonweb.com/basis.htm size http://www.paperonweb.com/size.htm Price of ingredients: Better Paper Ingredients price Cellulose $750/ton Hemicellulose $75/Ton China Clay (washed) : $149 /ton Calcium Carbonate ( CaCO3) $ 30/ton Recycled content & agricultural residue $45 per ton Oxygen delignification $480.00 per ton Processed Chlorine-Free & Totally Chlorine-Free 35$ per ton
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Forest Stewardship Council certification 20$ per ton Favoured usages of paper: Based on Usage Industrial: Packaging, wrapping, filtering, electrical etc. Cultural: Writing, printing, Newspaper, currency etc. Food: Food wrapping, candy wrapping Coffee filter, tea bag etc. BC 2200 Oldest existing manuscript on papyruss. BC 500 Chinese scholars such as Confucius (551-478BC) wrote on strips of bamboo. BC 400-300 Silk is started to be used for writing. BC 250 Invention of camel hair brush by Meng T’ien. BC 200 The King of Pergamum invents a new method of refining parchment from sheepskin. 100 Books are written upon narrow strips of wood. 105 Ts’ai Lun, invents the first true paper. 106 Use of paper instead of coins in tombs of the dead, starting the use of “spiritpaper”. 142 Paper is cheaper than silk. 175 Earliest form of printing: a text of chinese classic is written in stoned, and then used for stone rubbing. 264 Earliest clearly dates paper found by Dr. Seven Hedlin, in Loulan. 300 Paper is recognised universally as a substitute for bamboo, wood and silk as a writing material. 399 Most ancient paper discovered in Tu-rfan, Chinese Turkestan, by the Russian expeditions under Dr. Griinwedel and Dr. von Le Coq, from 1902 to 1907, dates from this period. 610 Papermaking introduced into Japan from China, the country from which
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Japan received all of her cultural and artistic development. 707 Earliest use of paper in Mecca. 770 Empress Shotoku comissions a million copies of dharani charmes, which were printed on paper. 800 Earliest use of paper in Egypt, probably imported from Samarkand or Baghdad. 875 First use of toilet paper in China. 900 True paper made in Egypt for the first time. 1035 Earliest recored instance of paper “packaging”. First use of recycled paper in Japan. 1102 Earliest use of paper in Sicily. 1151 First european stamping mill, in Spain. 1189 The date usually given as the commencement of paper-making in France, in the Town of Lodeve, in the department of Herault. This assertion is now considered an error and was based on an incorrect translation and mistaken date (1348). 1221 Emperor Fredrick II, King of Naples and Sicily, prohibited the use of paper for public documents. 1282 Watermarks used in Europe for the first time. 1309 First use of paper in England. 1348 First paper mill in France, Saint-Julien. 1680 The “Hollander”, or beater, used I the maceration of materials for the making into paper, invented in the Netherlands. 1720 Pressing-hammer gave way to wooden glazing-rolls for finishing paper with a smooth surface. 1798 The paper-machine was invented by Nicholas-Louis Robert, a Frenchman. Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 12:40 The link i put for size has some cool stuff with formats other than A B and C... like Canadian standards and Japanese standard. Joe Mania at 12:40 Sweet. Thanks a lot
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Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 12:46 One last thing... lets say “paper company” instead of “paper factory” in the intro... Joe Mania at 15:27 GOOD GOOD. HEY WE STILL NEED THE 200 WORDS SYNOPSIS FOR THE PRESS RELEASE. SHALL WE JUST USE THE TEXT SAM PREPARED THE OTHER DAY FOR THE PRESENTATION, OR...? WELL WE NEED TO RE/WRITE IT SLIGHTLY. COULD YOU DO THAT, SAM? WE NEED IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. HERE IS WHAT YOU WROTE: In order to conduct a more thorough research and be able to create a more in depth publication, we have decided to focus on paper as an art, craft and medium. Because there are so many ways to address and analyse this theme, we started thinking about our target audience, in other words, who we wanted to communicate to: in this case, art student like ourselves with a preexisting attraction to paper, and moderate general knowledge of the subject. To attract and surprise our audience, we not only wanted to educate our audience, but also grab their attention with a strong concept, visuals and graphics. To this effect, we decided to publish a paper “kit” named PAPERspective. This kit would including a pop-up manual on how to make paper, a cleverly engineered booklet that unfolds into a double sided poster with general facts and visual infographics about paper and a infinitely self-regenerating folded time line of paper’s history.
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PAPERspective would be simple, elegant and bold, as it would presented as a A4 format book or box which would then unfold to reveal itâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s subdivided content. If asked why 3 instead of 1, please say something around these lines: We chose graphic designers as target audience because it is the audience we know best, and we realised that we were very often attracted to objects that question and redefine the boundries of its medium. Also, it always very nice to be able to manipulate a collection of finely crafted objects. Finally, creating a kit with predefined and applied graphics allows us more freedom to explore different innovating paper engineering techniques. Joe Mania at 15:30 THATS APPROX 270 WORDS. SO MAYBE JUST SHORTEN IT A LITTLE. AWESOME Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 15:39 In order to conduct a more thorough research and be able to create a more in depth publication, we have decided to focus on paper as an art, craft and medium. Because there are so many ways to address and analyse this theme, we started thinking about our target audience, in other words, who we wanted to communicate to: in this case, art student like ourselves with a preexisting attraction to paper, and moderate general knowledge of the subject. So as to attract and surprise our audience, we not only wanted to educate our audience, but also grab their attention with a strong concept, visuals and graphics. To this effect, we decided to publish a paper company guidebook named PAPERspective, which would allow its user to learn everything he would need to know to open a paper company. This guide would including a infinitely self-regenerating folded book of a brief history of paper, a pop-up manual on how to make paper, and cleverly engineered booklet that unfolds into a double sided poster with gen-
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eral facts and visual infographics about how to sell paper in today’s economy. PAPERspective would be simple, elegant and bold, as it would presented as a A5 format book or box which would then unfold to reveal it’s subdivided content. Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 15:39 Wait sorry... Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 15:40 To attract and surprise our audience, we not only wanted to educate our audience, but also grab their attention with a strong concept, visuals and graphics. To this effect, we decided to publish a paper company guidebook named PAPERspective, which would allow its user to learn everything he would need to know to open a paper company. This guide would including a infinitely self-regenerating folded book of a brief history of paper, a pop-up manual on how to make paper, and cleverly engineered booklet that unfolds into a double sided poster with general facts and visual infographics about how to sell paper in today’s economy. PAPERspective would be simple, elegant and bold, as it would presented as a A5 format book or box which would then unfold to reveal it’s subdivided content. Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 15:40 ok done. Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 15:41 Man I cut off the begining... In order to conduct a more thorough research and be able to create a more in depth publication, we have decided to focus on paper as an art, craft and medium. Because there are so many ways to address and analyse this theme, we started thinking about our target audience, in other words, who we wanted to communicate to: in this case, art student like ourselves with a preexisting attraction to paper, and moderate general knowledge of the subject.
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To attract and surprise our audience, we not only wanted to educate our audience, but also grab their attention with a strong concept, visuals and graphics. To this effect, we decided to publish a paper company guidebook named PAPERspective, which would allow its user to learn everything he would need to know to open a paper company. This guide would including a infinitely self-regenerating folded book of a brief history of paper, a pop-up manual on how to make paper, and cleverly engineered booklet that unfolds into a double sided poster with general facts and visual infographics about how to sell paper in today’s economy. PAPERspective would be simple, elegant and bold, as it would presented as a A5 format book or box which would then unfold to reveal it’s subdivided content. Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 15:41 ok that good... Joe Mania at 15:41 KOOL. WHAT DO THE OTHERS THINK? Philip Linnemann at 15:43 Hey guys. Awesome stuff. I’ll look into it after work tonight! I thought we might need one page of a spread in the end of the third book to document which paper we have used for the publication, costs, typefaces used ect. The DIN typeface we use is accually made by the german institute that originally standardised the paper series A, B and C. Thought that was pretty clever ;) To keep you updated on paper choices and color swatches we have decided to use white paper for all three booklets and then cover them with same cardboard / greyboard cover and use that color as a primary color in the graphics as well. Might
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sound a bit confusing, but I’ll upload some examples with graphics later. Here are rough mock ups of the covers (so don’t start complaining about wrong paper color/ graphic layout ect. ;) ) it’s just to show the idea of the covers. Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 15:43 Oh no, spelling mistake... In order to conduct a more thorough research and be able to create a more in depth publication, we have decided to focus on paper as an art, craft and medium. Because there are so many ways to address and analyse this theme, we started thinking about our target audience, in other words, who we wanted to communicate to: in this case, art student like ourselves with a preexisting attraction to paper, and moderate general knowledge of the subject. To attract and surprise our audience, we not only wanted to educate our audience, but also grab their attention with a strong concept, visuals and graphics. To this effect, we decided to publish a paper company guidebook named PAPERspective, which would allow its user to learn everything he would need to know to open a paper company. This guide would include a infinitely self-regenerating folded book of a brief history of paper, a pop-up manual on how to make paper, and a cleverly engineered booklet that unfolds into a double sided poster with general facts and visual infographics about how to sell paper in today’s economy. PAPERspective would be simple, elegant and bold, as it would presented as a A5 format book or box which would then unfold to reveal it’s subdivided content. Ok... any comments? Philip Linnemann at 15:44 and for the timeline Speak later guys!
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Philip Linnemann at 15:46 lol when i suddently think of it the timeline is not gonna be possible to make like that. Guess we have to experiment a bit, but yeah... Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 15:46 Looks really cool philip! Joe Mania at 15:48 at the end it should say: ...as it would be presented.... RIGHT? its great. Philip Linnemann at 15:48 Great sam, glad you like it! I will make more examples and upload later! Joe Mania at 15:50 we will find a way for the timeline.
Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 15:50 Good one Joe yes it should... In order to conduct a more thorough research and be able to create a more in depth publication, we have decided to focus on paper as an art, craft and medium. Because there are so many ways to address and analyse this theme, we started thinking about our target audience, in other words, who we wanted to communi-
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cate to: in this case, art student like ourselves with a preexisting attraction to paper, and moderate general knowledge of the subject. To attract and surprise our audience, we not only wanted to educate our audience, but also grab their attention with a strong concept, visuals and graphics. To this effect, we decided to publish a paper company guidebook named PAPERspective, which would allow its user to learn everything he would need to know to open a paper company. This guide would include a infinitely self-regenerating folded book of a brief history of paper, a pop-up manual on how to make paper, and a cleverly engineered booklet that unfolds into a double sided poster with general facts and visual infographics about how to sell paper in todayâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s economy. PAPERspective would be simple, elegant and bold, as it would be presented as a A5 format book or box which would then unfold to reveal itâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s subdivided content. Joe Mania at 16:25 HELLO HELLO. just figured out how the timeline fold out works. its genius. its basically two A5 sheets ONLY. cleverly folded and just glued together with 1 drop of glue on the 4 corners. would definitely an advantage to use thicker paper, otherwise it will be to sloppy... Joe Mania at 16:27 great stuff, phil. especially the white writing on the paper. Joe Mania at 16:59 hey guys.
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the want the synopsis to be 100 words now.... i gave it a try to shorten it. here is what i came up with. (its 150 words, but thats ok they said). 150 WORD VERSION For this publication, we have decided to focus on paper as an art, craft and medium. As there are so many ways to address and analyse this theme, we wanted to communicate our publication to people with a preexisting interest with paper and moderate general knowledge of the subject. To attract and surprise our audience, we not only wanted to educate but also grab their attention with a strong concept, visuals and graphics. To this effect, we decided to publish a guidebook named PAPERSPECTIVE. This guide would include a infinitely self-regenerating folded book of a brief history of paper, a pop-up manual on how to make paper, and a cleverly engineered booklet that unfolds into a double sided poster with general facts and visual infographics aboot paper in todayâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s economy. PAPERSPECTIVE collection comes as a A5 format box which would then unfold to reveal itâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s subdivided content. Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 17:28 Looks good.
Joe Mania at 17:35 OK. will send it over now.
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Joe Mania at 22:52 timeline is ready to print. one timeline needs to be printed on two A3 sheets (front and back) unless we make the whole publication slightly smaller than A5 so it fits onto A4 paper with that non print-area frame. could save us a lot of money ...? what u guys think? also what is going on tomorrow? how far did everyone get? speak later. g Veronica Law at 23:13 Hello boys! so what time are we meeting tomorrow? =)... our session with kieron is at 12.45. so i say we meet at 12? or ermm... 12.30?
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i’ve been working on the refinements and started thinking about the binding and stuff... my printer wasn’t working... but ended up printing something which i’m gonna spray paint onto greyboard to see how it would look like and i’ve made stencils. anyways... we’ll see if it works by tomorrow morning =) *man hug* ronnie x Haobo Chen at 23:26 i think if you change the size of your time line to smaller than A5, than the whole pop-up book need to be redesigned, that will cost to long to do, and I think now the pop-up book’s cost will be a bit less than we guess before, so I think to print the timeline on A3 should be fine, Joe. Joe Mania at 23:29 oki dokes. see you tomorrow. *man hug*
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Philip Linnemann at 01:25 Hey guys. Sound great with all the process! I suggest we meet at 12 tomorrow? I think Kieron is expecting a bit of stuff to choose between ect and we havenâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;t really got anything else to show him. It might be good to just spend 45 min on collecting our respective works. Hope you had a nice weekend! I cut myself again. Still a long way to become a master chef I guess :) Joe Mania at 18:00 sorry again for not turning up today. hope phil explained to you. Instead of doing the world map id just finished the logos for the top ten paper companies (illustrator files to be found in dropbox>booklets>3. book) thought it looks nice to have their logo on the page. ill have a look what else i can do. Veronica Law at 19:26 no worries joe! sorry i couldnt text you back.. we were busy in a midst of doing stuff and discussions and finding out different types of paper. Philip Linnemann at 20:03 It was really nice visiting that paper factory today. Got some good samples to ex-
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periment with. As promised I just wanted to summarise peoples task for today and tomorrow before we can start PRINTING! Louis and Haubo: Finds out which paper is most efficient for the fold out book by experimenting. We need a paper with an authentic feel to it. The blender needs work as well. Veronica: Collects text and image for fold out book and minimalises the nets as much as possible. We want a simple, clean - almost abstract - feel to it to make it look as sophisticated as possible :) I’ve got some ideas for it if you wanna skype later. Could you also take some pics of the grey/cardboard samples in natural light and upload on DB asap please? Sam: We need three pages that link the 3 booklets together to one collection (and basically explains our “narrative”): 1st “link page” goes onto the back of the front cover of the box. Gives an introduction to the concept and to the first booklet the reader is going to look at; the timeline. Speak to me about the layout for it. 2nd “link page” goes onto the last page of the timeline and is meant to link to the second booklet; the fold out. Speak to Joe about the layout. 3rd “link page” goes onto the last page of the fold out book. Apart from linking/introducing to the third booklet this page should also contain some examples of how you can use paper, eg: Printing paper, posters, books, paintings, cleaning, folding, boxes (storing), packaging, paper engeneering, animation ect. Speak to Ronnie about layout.
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Joe and I: Finalise the poster and meets up tomorrow. Hopefully all InDesign files can be ready for printing tomorrow. We will the collect them and put the final touch on making sure that colors, fonts, compositions etc are used in the same way throughout all three books. I hope you sort of agree on this. Otherwise let me/us know here. WEDNESDAY: We have hopefully finalised all designs by Tuesday night and are ready to print! Everyone meet in the morning to buy the paper we need and get things printed. Things could get a little pricey so please bring 50 pounds each in cash. I know it’s a lot of money and we might not spend them all, but we don’t want some people paying for others leaving hanging loans. From that point we need to: Make the fold outs Bind the books Construct the box/case AND THEN WE SHOULD BE DONE!!! Joe Mania at 20:11 oh actually.... we should redo everything... haha Veronica Law at 20:17 hi! i won’t be able to skype tonight. i work better when i’m at home. But i can definitely pop in later on tomorrow if you want me to.
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bo and louis went to the school shop to buy some paper to test on which we thought we close to the authentic paper we recieved. Kieron told us to basically simplify the whole thing and it just seemed like he wanted us to change the project but he didn’t want us to be unhappy with it. However, there are a few disagreements with the type of paper being used. So Bo is going to experiment with the papers to see if it will look good. as we don’t want it to look clumsy and childlike with the textured paper as i don’t think it’ll look as professional. But not to worry, I will skype tomorrow or something. Phil- take a photo of the grey samples? i think Bo has them now. ronnie Philip Linnemann 21 March at 20:41 It would be great to see you later on tomorrow ronnie at joe’s place. I think we need to sit down, once we’ve finished the layouts, with each booklet on a seperate computer screen and make it coherent. What’s this new thing with disagreements? Why would the textured paper look unprofessionally? It sort of works the exact other way around and that was one of Ray’s main points in his critism. I’m a bit confused since I thought we agreed on this earlier. Anyway, let us know about the experiments you are doing and keep this in mind. Alrighty with the grey samples Veronica Law at 21:15 okies, i’ll pop by tomorrow at joe’s place ... i’ll explain tomorrow why there are disagreements.
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Veronica Law at 21:15 thats if joe is ok with me popping by Joe Mania at 21:17 yes yes yes. sure. come over. Philip Linnemann at 21:25 Ok I see the whole think a bit differently, but let’s discuss that tomorrow then. Joe I might be at yours a little later than expected. I have a man coming to help me install some shelves ect. and he would either be here before ten tomorrow morning or after six tomorrow evening. Sucks a bit, but I’ll be at yours asap Veronica Law at 21:36 Ookkiieess!!! yea will discuss tomorrow. Are you and joe coming to mine? Haobo Chen at 21:42 ok, so you guys going to meet up tomorrow in joe’s place. I think we don’t need to meet you up to show the testing page then? But just incase you guys want to see it tomorrow, I will finish them tonight, and maybe Veroni, if you can get off at stratford on your way to Joe’s house to pick up the examples, and bring over to these 2 boys and explain to them will be good. Veronica Law at 21:43 Yeah okies. Haobo Chen at 21:46 No, dont want to talk to you guys any more after all these remake things…! so just let me know when you will arrive stratford 20mins before. Veronica Law at 21:47 Yup will do
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Veronica Law at 17:19 Hey guys! Weâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;ve decided to use Bockingford paper for the booklets. Therefore using the same paper family but different weights throughout the collection as the pop up book required heavier paper weight etc. But firstly iâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;m going to ask the paper company if they have varied weights. Haobo Chen at 17:23 fine
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Joe Mania at 01:22 hey guys. hope you got home safe. so are we actually going to print the timeline then tomorrow? i dont want to bring this up -now that we finally decided on the paperbut sophie told me a promising print-shop called *orange* in covent garden. they do free test prints and sit down with you discussing what paper would work best.
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might be worth having a look at. but if we change the paper, we have to think about how it would affect the other books, of course. what u think? Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 03:53 So what time at the paper place? Joe Mania at 03:57 not sure. ronnie is the print master. Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 03:58 Iâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;m guessing the print Master is asleep though... So like 11ish? 12ish?... Joe Mania at 04:00 i am not sure if im going. will check with phil again as we are still finishing things off. phone veronica tomorrow. easy. sounds good? Haobo Chen at 08:52 Veroni tested me yesterday and we will be in brixton station at 10:30. Will let her know the print shop Joe you said, but I guess we will go to HOBS( the print shop) frist, just because itâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s closer.
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Haobo Chen at 08:56 http://www.orange.uk.com/ this is the print shop you are talking about I think Welcome to Orange Veronica Law at 09:26 omg! awesome place! Veronica Law at 09:31 yea same was right i was asleep lol.. but okieess!!! bo and louis! lets go to the paper place. at the same time we planned. i will discuss everything then. then we will collect the samples of the different weight of bockingfold paper. then print on the sample as a test at orange in covent garden so we dnt get charged for it.. lol .. and then we will know. then go back to John Purcell to get the paper or cry if it doesn’t work. lol hey sam... we discussed a bit on how the box will be made etc, perhaps speak to joe about it? do you guys want us to buy the corrigated card as well? ... there will be alot of money spending today guys... Philip Linnemann at 10:07 Sounds good people. Sam and Ronnie: Don’t forget to upload the nets, timeline, text for fold out book, the “link pages” etc before you leave this morning. All files you have for final print. Thanks
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Joe Mania at 10:40 I did The Final Text for The Link pages Based on what sam Wrote Someone Wanst good at Multitasking (Wirkung and listening) yesterday... Joe Mania at 10:47 we also need to remember buying the double sided glue etc. Philip Linnemann at 10:56 Woops I meant you, lol. Thanks for uploads! By the way mate. If you don’t know what to do now i’ve uploaded the poster in db. You could try figuring out how the second page in recycling can fit into the grid of the others. That would be awesome Philip Linnemann at 10:57 btw the back of the poster is not gonna be the image in the file (don’t you worry). I just use it as a template for now :) Haobo Chen at 19:56 Ok, update of the printing thing guys. As we all know we are not able to use any paper that we all argee with to print on, and after a whole day running in the city, we finally find the best mach paper that we could use: 1. For the Pop-up book’s base page, we are going to use 225gsm Summerset paper Size A0, the reason use this big size is because we try to make the French fold of the pages look nicer, so will lay them in one big sheet and fold after. 2. For the nets of the Pop-up book, is going to be 190gsm Bukingford paper Size
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A3 and 225gsm summerset paper Size A4 (this is for the base of the blender) 3.For the timeline, we are going to use the 190gsm Bukingford paper Size A3, too. plan for tonight and tomorrow: I and Veroni will layout everything tonight and make sure they are ready to print, and sent to the printer by email. Tomorrow, me, Veroni and Louis will go to the printer at 12 to see if all the layout is ok and make sure the print shop get our ideas. For the A2 poster, we will bring the design and the layout to the print shop tomorrow, try to find the best match paper to print on. Things still missing: the cover design of the book, do we have the design of the cover yet? Can we get it done tonight and we can bring to print tomorrow as well? if everything goes well tomorrow, we will be able to get all the print done by Friday. Veronica Law at 20:11 Hello boys, So just a recap of what happened today. I met up with Louis and Bo at brixton, discussed what we wanted in terms of paper. So when we got there we asked for samples 190 and 300gsm for Bockingford paper. Then went to Orange to ask for test prints but they wouldnâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;t print on special paper which we provide. it has to be what they provide from thier supplier. (especially on large formats) so the printer told us a whole load of stuff and what they could only provide us:
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Bockingfold 190gsm coated summerset 225gsm and 320gsm (i think) in A sizes. -this paper is pretty soft its of of the ones we liked before ... however.. it’s pretty thick so we decided to use it for the base pages in the pop up book. (225gsm) Then we went to Hobs to see if they could print on our paper. tried. didn’t work... ink came off very easily..since it was uncoated.. looked pretty nice though but it was a big no no...and didn’t even print properly.. We went back to Orange and he agreed to help us get Bockingford paper and summerset ordered. BUT now we have to supply PDFs by tonight and send them an e-mail ... so all work needs to be done tonight and completed. Otherwise he won’t order the special papers we want. Me, Bo and Louis will go again tomorrow at 12noon so nothing will go wrong and we can examine how it will be printed and see if he will understand our PDFs etc. there are quite alot of Print settings that needs to be done for the pop up book so we save costs etc.. (i’ll do that tonight) and use A0 size ... they said they will fold the base pages for us too. (if anyone has any problems with the illustrations etc.. please either tell me or change it watever) So please skype or text, phone, e-mail etc... and ermm.. yea.. need all the work done on PDFs. so i can send to him.. and by tomorrow morning.. we can put the poster on USB or something and choose the paper.. and ask for recomendations. ronnie
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Veronica Law at 20:15 p.s. Linnemann- i need Flama font for the base pages of the pop up. (so that means otf files.) Mania- have you read my text? =) please tell me if you’re confused. De Ceccatty- erm.. how will you pay? hehe Veronica Law at 20:19 Whaatt my message didn’t go through... but yea it was basically what bo said.. haha but his is clearer Philip Linnemann at 20:35 Hey guys! Thanks for all your work today - great job! I am on skype tonight untill whatever time this thing is done.. Do we have a deadline tonight ronnie? I’ll change any file with text to the right typefaces etc Joe Mania at 21:44 first of all: BIG THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE TODAY, printing group. and also thanks to sam who took our idea of rewriting the narrative again so easy. and of course a big thank you to philip, who was working almost day and night
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and getting lots of things together. 1. i am fine with whatever paper you agreed on. the only thing that came on my mind when i did some test prints at home is that the paper has to be thick enough (if we print front and back) so you cant see the one print shinig through on the other side of the paper. 2. the covers are already on dropbox. at least the ones i did yesterday. find them under: dropbox >joe&phil>publication>booklets>covers 3. i redesigned the hole timeline again the whole day, as it was slightly bigger than A5. and that caused major problems today. i changed the proportions now. will send over the pdf tonight (explaining as good as i can, how to print it). i will upload the illustrator files aswell. but it is a bit complicated if you want to change stuff, cause these are quite a few files, but its clearly organised. 4. @ philip: i can figure out how the second page of recycling could fit the other pages, as you said earlier. Sounds like a plan?
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Haobo Chen at 22:43 guys, one problem of the pop-up, I just spoke to veroni about it: the frames in the pop-up, I knew you are now not apply any colour to them, it’s going be fine with the page3 ( the pop-up frame and all right with the page4 (the one with the hand), but for the page5 (the one of taking the paper of the frame), as philip you told us you don’t want to see any mark on the nets, and also the paper we are going to base page and the nets will have very similar colour, that will bring the problem which is if we just stick the frame down onto the base page, it’s gonna be really difficult to see. but if you all really confident of it’s still gonna be seen as a frame on the page easily ,I am ok with it. Veronica Law at 22:43 guys.. or someone... i need the text whoever has it... for the last page of the pop up book on the base... i’m guessing we’re not having the “ here are some different ways on how we use paper” or is that referring to the info poster? also.. philip.. have u been finished off the materials page which i put in dropbox? it’ll be great if you could just tell me when u’ve done that ^^ Joe Mania at 22:45 pop up book: you guys decide. i would say.
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Joe Mania at 22:47 the “inbetween text” can be found in dropbox under joe&phil >publication >booklets “paperspective (text for each book)” Philip Linnemann at 22:47 Awesome Joe and good points! Do you think it is possible to just change the fonts without making a huge mess Joe? I’m almost done with the poster. God is has taken such a lot of time to collect the right information and stuff. Phew can’t wait to get this thing printed! It would be really cool if you could take a look at the recycling page mate, since I have to change fonts ect. for all the other pages afterwards. I’ll get back to you then! Starting to see an end :D Joe Mania at 22:49 and we need also the double sided tape thing... Philip Linnemann at 22:50 @ Ronnie: Unfortunately I have Flama from my dads company with copywrites ect. so it’s only this computer which can open it (since it’s registered in the same company). But you can just send me whenever and I’ll change it and upload the pdf. Sorry didn’t think of that when we started...
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Veronica Law at 23:07 Linnemann... why’d you log out of skype man.. was just starting to speak to you ±_± lol need to know if you are putting in the intro text on the materials page? and once i finish with the bae layouts.. can you double check the fonts etc so its the same as all your other fonts that you used? Veronica Law at 23:21 i went to the pound shop the other day and bought three double sided tape cos i knew we needed it. =) i’ll bring it in tomorrow x Joe Mania at 23:30 phil. cant call you on skype. let me know what font i shall use. and if you want me to use flama let me know what other font i can use that looks similar. as soon as possible please. thanks Joe Mania at 23:36 im offline for a bit but will change the timeline again. probably tell the printer guy that the timeline will be corrected. Kool Veronica Law at 23:50 OKIES... i havn’t e-mailed the printer guy yet...
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philip has lost internet connection (he said ..”bad timing” lol)... so yea.. he suggests use Din instead of impact =) and ermm ... yea.. what else.. lol.. he also just finished with the poster.. and he hasn’t put in the page.. (i don’t really know what that means lol)
24TH OF MARCH Haobo Chen at 00:28 i think he mean in the right order of folding the A5 size? maybe??? Veronica Law at 10:41 Alright boys, everything is sent! fingers crossed. if there are any changes or anything quick quick call me or something.. lol but anyways, me bo and louis will be at the printers in covent garden today. they still havn’t told us how much is is yet.. but they will do today. i have a feeling the papers won’t arrive until later on this afternoon or tommorrow very early morning but still IT IS POSSIBLE to get everything done. Unless we have a stop watch which stops time and we get to finish everything! =O and eat pizza. check out all the documents that are for print =) just to make sure that everyone is ok with it.. bearing in mind the pdfs for the nets of the pop up book etc.. look a bit wierd on PDF but dnt worry its fine when its printed..- Bo says..
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Veronica Law at 11:25 ok all updates are now completed. Joe- i’ll contact you if there is something wrong with the printing of the timeline. but i’m sure i’ll be able to figure it.. thanx for being so clear on your descriptions and stuff =) x Joe Mania at 11:35 kool. ill come to the print place i reckon. just did ANOTHER TEST print, and for some reason it still doesnt print the way its supposed to be due do indesign. although its aligned in indesign perfectly, it isnt anymore when i save it as pdf. super wierd.... Joe Mania at 13:13 just to let you guys now. the updated verison of the timeline (which should hopefully work perfectly now) is under >booklets >timeline >A3 NEW & A4 NEW Philip Linnemann at 13:15 Awesome mojo jojo! Finally worked ;)
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Joe Mania at 13:21 going to the printer place in covent garden in a minute to support the others :) Veronica Law at 13:58 don’t know if you guys have access to this at the moment. lol but we’re in a camera cafe next to the british museum atm.. with free internet access... and they love Haobo..haha =D Joe Mania at 19:35 hey hey. sophie just told me -after comparing prices (because they wanted to print at orange in covent garden aswell)that ‘orange’ apparently is more than double expensive than ‘hobbs’. just to let you know. Veronica Law at 19:37 yea.. o_O.. ermm.. but hobs couldn’t supply us with the paper >.< and yea... we got a maasssiivvee discount =) cos A0 is like £60 for a sheet... and we are printing on 4 A0s.. lol.. so we got it down to £175 from £200... and he’s not charging us VAT ^^ Joe Mania at 19:41 so thats 175pounds in total then for all prints? Veronica Law at 19:49 yep =) Joe Mania at 19:53 awesome. i bet you used your charm to convince the printer dude.
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Veronica Law at 19:58 I tried... lol.. but tbh I think it was brother louis! haha Veronica Law at 23:06 hey phil, just tell me when you are done with the poster so i can e-mail it =) x
25TH OF MARCH Philip Linnemann at 02:01 Hey Ronnie! Finally done with the poster - phew! It’s uploaded and called POSTER FINAL. Good luck tomorrow, let me know if I can do anything! xx Joe Mania at 02:20 YEAH BABY. GOOD JOB Veronica Law at 09:48 koooll! well done! i started on the lino ... and its going well so far.. there are very slight mishaps o_O.. but hopefully when it prints it won’t show =D cos they are very small.. lol.. but yea.. need to finish it... but come by on sunday at my store Phil =)
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Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 12:26 Hey dudes, so what about the box? When should we start making them? Joe Mania at 20:06 good point sam. talk to philip. he is on it i think. have to pick up the rest of the timeline tomorrow, as they couldnt finish printing them today. will then prepare all timelines for monday. Philip Linnemann at 20:23 Hey guys, Sound really good! How did it go with the poster and pop up? Regarding the boxes I bought and brought the cardboard to my flat. It takes a shed loads of time making them and make the edges straight ect, so might not be able to make more than one or two for monday, but ill bring in the stuff so we can make more. Got the magnets too - I think they will work well. Sound good with the lino Ronnie. Iâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;ll see you on Sunday :) Finally seems there an end to this stuff. I think we should celebrate with a beer next week :) Joe Mania at 20:27 definitely. quite a few beers. but wednesday evening latest. i leave thursday morning already...
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26TH OF MARCH Veronica Law at 00:59 yyeess!! drriinnkkksss!!!! =D already had a fewww whooopp!! hahahaha =DDDDD soo yeaa!! such a bloody long day today but u know! cos everyone from our course came to the printers! and took our time.. but they said they will get it done... me and joe will be there tomorrow morning at different times.. haha.. Joe- i’ll leave you the sticky tape on the side... just ask the printers =D yeaa... so i’ll pay tomorrow as well.. and omg.. we made so many tests as well.. o_O... i don’t mind if they charge us a bit extra cos we made a lot of tests.. and he gave us extras as well.. good times.. anyways! kissessseessss!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Veronica Law at 17:57 hey guys! =) so ALL THE PRINTING IS DONE! haha..yyaaayy!! finnaallyy! but yea.. we still have quite a lot to do before monday, but really proud at our team work so far. everyone is doing what they said they would etc.. =) But anyways, I already paid £175 to the printers. And i felt bad not paying more tbh... he wouldn’t let me.. =( cos he opened up today on a saturday just so he could finish out prints.. also finished off the hard parts of the first lino... gonna be able to finish off the second one tinight hopefully =) or by tomorrow morning.
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so everyone just needs to pay me £32 in total which is including the lino and board. I will also start on the covers for the pop up book. - Louis has already paid me £30 - don’t need to pay me the extra £2 cos you spent money on tests for pop up. - Bo owes me £25 cos you bought me a drink and you’ve bought some greyboard for covers. - Phil has given me £40, i will take £35 as i’m taking an extra £3 from lunch haha - Sam- £32 - Joe- £32 sorry to be so money focused >.< and also phil weprobs owe u some money for the corrigated card. Joe Mania at 18:08 ronnie is amazing. so is the printer dude. we should definitely give him something. chocolate in a box or so...? just on the timelines the whole day. if everyone could keep posting if they need help or can help would be great. speak soon. great stuff
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27TH OF MARCH Joe Mania at 17:38 hey babes. all 7 timelines will be finished by tomorrow. our thing is at 2.30 shall we meet at 2? and already get some beers before they say how amazing our publication looks? Haobo Chen at 17:49 joe! check your email again, I think on Monday is going to start at 11, 2:30pm is the time for Wednesday’s FMP briefing. and ,well done man! Joe Mania at 21:25 oh yeah. true. see you tomorrow then. lookng forwar.d Veronica Law at 22:47 hey guys, i just finshed one set of covers... which means two covers for one book. didn’t realise it would take me this long. but waiting for the glue to settle and stuff.. it’s in between books at the moment. so hopefully it should be fine. what time we meeting tomorrow? btw phil the thickness of the pop up book is about 2.5cm in depth. i presume this is very important if you’re making the box. =)
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Veronica Law at 23:17 if i don’t press the book down at all its 3.4cm and yea.. realised theres something wrong with the print outs of the covers.. i’ll just do what looks right at the moment and u’ll all see tomorrow.
29TH OF MARCH Joe Mania at 00:34 is it just me or is it impossible finding good looking images on google.... Joe Mania at 02:15 oki dokes i basically took a pic of everything paper related i could found in my flat. age 18-22. i used the makro lense cause i thought the depth of field could make our images look more original than any google search images... might not work as good as i thought. what do you guys think? ill put the files onto one of the macs in college in the upper casket tomorrow, as they are over 300mb in total and dropbox says it takes more than 10 hours to upload... images concern: sketchbooks for college,
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bank account stuff, ordered items, museum visits, flight tickets, letter from police, not paid bills, warnings for tv licence investigation, bills, tenancy application, post cards, sketches, world map (travel), sleeves of LPs, books, prayer book, cards, city map, letter, passport, dentist card, packaging for medicine, toilet paper. i guess you get the idea. and if not: who cares? haha
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Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 02:49 Good one Joe! Sent via Facebook Mobile Philip Linnemann at 10:03 Hey guys, You maybe want to kill me for posting this, maybe not. Nevertheless I just felt a need to trying to find an alternative to this google book. I just had a thought about what points are interesting in the matter of paper. I looked through our lovely blog to find some of the ideas we had in the beginning of this project before we fell completely in love with infographics and pop ups andthese points are actually quite interesting. In my opinion especially when we are talking about the future of paper. Take a look at this video Joe posted long ago from 11:04 and about 4-5 minutes forward http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djSWPET40Ro&feature=channel This article explains a bit about that irrational emotion that can be translated so well onto paper instead of a pixel screen. http://future.iftf.org/2005/06/the_future_of_p.html I think an essay written around this topic in an appetising way, maybe divided into small sections, could work much better and reflect the analysis that seems needed. It doesnâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;t have to be that long.. We would sort of touch on one of the main points in the concept we presented long ago: Craft.. A niche market, but finishing by saying that it will never be extinct because of this irrational emotion in people.
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I know it’s a lot of new stuff (but it’s really not) and that we’ve got little time, but I think this is what the teachers recognised in the beginning and what is sort of missing now. I am still fine by doing the stuff we agreed on yesterday, seriously, but have a think about it. When are we meeting today again? I got confused.. was is 11 or 2 or something 3rd? Holiday is right around the corner guys :D Paper, Packaging, Energy, Waste, Recycling, Sustainability - conference speaker www.youtube.com Future trends in paper and packaging industry- entire 30 minute presentation. http://www.globalchange.com/ Paper and packaging industry. Future of sustainable packaging, paper, logistics. Demographics, digital impact, distribution and destiny. Demographics 1 billion new consumers. Emerging marke Share Veronica Law at 10:12 To be honest... I really hate taking images from google. And yea... I’d prefer to write this instead and actually have an indepth philosophical output with is abstract and fine arty. So yea. I’ll do what everyone agrees on cos we don’t have enough time. Sent via Facebook Mobile Philip Linnemann at 10:18 I feel the same.. And also a certain need to show/proof that we can come up with other stuff than just (nice) visuals.. Let’s have a discussion when we meet up soon: But when is this??
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Haobo Chen at 10:30 I agree with both of you, yes I don’t like just using google image, and the truth is we only got 2 days left. for meeting time, I think we said at 2pm Veronica Law at 11:21 at the talk at the moment. dunno when it’ll finish but theres hardly anyone.. Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 11:21 Guys, by 2pm, we’ll have 1.5 days left to write, layout, print and bind the book. There is no fucking way! Philip Linnemann at 11:26 Sam it is doable. I made my last book in a day.. printing and binding can be done thursday Joe Mania at 11:31 agree with philip. that patrick dixon guy is great. why dont we more or less write down what he is saying, make a decent layout without images and *surprise* our heroes kieron and ray on thursday (whether its a good or bad surprise... ) i can imagine them to be happy that we actually didnt stick to that lame google image concept. i just got up, but shall i come in then to give you a copy of the images? or not? LETS DO THIS
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Joe Mania at 11:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXWHEULV5c4 Turboweekend - Holiday www.youtube.com Share Philip Linnemann at 12:03 Heheh nice one Mojojo. A song to rise some motivation! I’ll start writing a bit summarising what mr Dixon says and upload asap. I suggest people start researching for good articles with relating content. Then we’ll build up some material very quickly. We could be done writing by tonight and use the day tomorrow laying things out. Then we’ll print thursday and perfect bind it. Done. If worst comes to worst we’ll still end up with an analysis on paper and what the hell do we have to loose? Haobo Chen at 12:07 yes sir! boss! Philip Linnemann at 12:11 haha come on haobo: What do you suggest? Take a look at this article as well. http://hubpages.com/hub/A-World-Without-Books Importance of Books hubpages.com E-books, e-reader, i-pad and i-phones have become common technology in recent years. Many people who never even read a single book in their life are now keeping
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these technologies in their pockets. The... Share Philip Linnemann at 12:12 More about tactile value: http://www.arcyart.com/ad-tactile-value.htm Tactile Value - Art Dictionary by Arcy Art Original Oil Paintings www.arcyart.com Explanation of the art term Tactile Value in the Art Dictionary of Arcy Art Original Oil Paintings. Share Joe Mania at 12:16 hey phil. do you get the information out of this video? http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fw atch%3Fv%3DdjSWPET40Ro%26feature%3Dchannel&h=9eee03HZw8qjrA 6z--_MOvRPobw then i will work on this one http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatc h%3Fv%3DdjSWPET40Ro%26feature%3Dchannel&h=9eee0 oh actually, this is just the longer version i think. anyways. ill get the information out of this and send it over. sorry i cant be physically here today guys...
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Paper, Packaging, Energy, Waste, Recycling, Sustainability - conference speaker www.youtube.com Future trends in paper and packaging industry- entire 30 minute presentation. http://www.globalchange.com/ Paper and packaging industry. Future of sustainable packaging, paper, logistics. Demographics, digital impact, distribution and destiny. Demographics 1 billion new consumers. Emerging marke Share Haobo Chen at 12:24 As I said, philip, I dont like goole image, I am aagree with your idea, I am looking for some article now. yeah, man, what the hill we have to loose Haobo Chen at 12:29 i think as the “A-World-Without-Books”’s point of view is good, we can start to write sth about why we are precious about the paper and paper products Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 12:38 Then there is no point in meeting at 2... lets just right 6 essays about paper. Veronica Law at 12:42 erm what... i still think we should skype at least. Haobo Chen at 12:44 louis now in the college, let’s make sure what we goona do now, I can let him know what he should do Philip Linnemann at 12:46 I know this is an extreme situation Sam, but please try to play along. Of course we need to make one book with a single narrative and this is hard to achieve with 6 people in one day, I get it, but we have to try. And it can work as long as one or
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two collects everything in the end of the day. Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 12:50 Sorry man, i don’t mean to be passive aggressive. Just tired. So what is the plan, I don’t really get it. Joe Mania at 13:18 this is the stuff i found so far. but not sure if this is good... tac·tile [tak-til, -tahyl] –adjective 1. of, pertaining to, endowed with, or affecting the sense of touch. 2. perceptible to the touch; tangible. Origin: 1605–15; < Latin tāctilis tangible, equivalent to tāct ( us ) (past participle of tangere to touch) + -ilis -ile http://nait5.com/2010/02/05/on-art-interactivity-and-tactility/ see below: TACTILE COMMUNICATION physical tactility had been a normal way of knowing, communicating, possessing, challenging New technology did not replace the hands or eyes of humans; it merely extended their potential into unforeseen directions.
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The introduction of interactive “new media art” into museums and galleries has brought about changes for the relationship between art audiences and artworks. The artist’s hand has relegated part of its creative freedom to the visitor’s hand. The tactiloclasmic tensions that reigned in the traditional art museum have been released, at least partly – many exhibitions now contain artworks that are meant to be touched. This does not apply to interactive computer art alone. Rather, interactive art is part of a wider phenomenon that has multiple determinants. Historically, it is an outcome of the efforts made by avant-garde movements such as Futurism, Dadaism, Surrealism, Fluxus, E.A.T., Conceptualism etc. to question the traditional art object, and to “bridge art and life.”10 Interactive art draws inspiration from multiple sources – work, entertainment, communication, design, education, engineering and science – transforming and synthesizing these into new aesthetic experiences. Its debt to the traditions of “fine art” certainly exists, yet references to this art are often less evident and merged with other influences. Therefore it is understandable that interactive art has not always been wholeheartedly embraced by critics who have a more traditional notion of art and the values it embodies. In spite of the postmodern questioning of boundaries between “high” and “low” culture, interactive art is often treated as an alien; an intruder that can, at best, be tolerated. Before opening the gates to“anything tactile,” it is necessary to ask some basic questions. What is essential in the art experience? Silent contemplation? Forms and colors? Themes and stories? “Touch of eternity?“Sensational attractions? Visiting a “place” with family or friends? Or, perhaps, the discovery of something new and unprecedented through interaction and touching? http://www.cpara.co.uk/events/repeatrepeat/labour/Bristow.html see below Crucial to the idea of the material object as a non- discursive language is the sup-
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pressed modality of touch, a sense that is implicit in Textiles. Similar to material culture and the landscape of the everyday in which it operates, it is the immediacy of touch that makes it paradoxically a potent vehicle of expression but in its resistance to representation and ‘polymorphous diversity’ impossible to pin down and unnamenable to discourse Centre for Practice as Research in the Arts www.cpara.co.uk Centre for Practice as Research in the Arts Share Philip Linnemann at 13:45 No worries Sam I share your frustrations. Let’s just work the best we can to make something which shows that we’ve learnt from this and have the holiday as motivation! So once again I am just gonna stir things up a bit. Louis came with another idea for what we can do so I am just gonna put these two things up and let everyone vote. The main idea with this 2nd edition book we are doing now is to show that we’ve learnt from this project. That we know what a narrative is, why it is needed and the fact that you shouldn’t be too keen on one visual idea. We can do this in two different ways: 1st. Is what we’ve been discussing so far which is to write an essay about whether or not paper is moving towards a niche market. About the fact that people are so involved in this tactile experience/value that it’s never going to less popular. So far it has survived the web tsunami and digital applications which came/comes with it such as the kindle.
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2nd. Is what Louis just suggested, to each write a paragraph or so about our experiences and thoughts about the project we have just been through. 100-200 words each. print it on paper that we choose individually, bind it together and call the book “THINKING OUT LOUD”. Of course it is off our topic, but it will make the group project a lot easier. I suggest people come with their opinion and vote asap Philip Linnemann at 14:05 No worries Sam I think we all share your frustrations. We just need to get as much out of this as possible and to proof that we’ve understood what this is all about on Thursday. Let holiday be our motivation guys! I just spoke to Ronnie and Louis and Louis came up with another suggestion, so I am just gonna put these two possibilities up next to each other and let the majority decide: 1st. We base the publication upon the stuff we have been sharing this morning: To discuss whether our not paper are moving towards a niche market. People are emotional attached to paper objects such as books because of their tactile value. It has survived the web tsunami and all the digital applications which came/comes with it such as the kindle so far. Watch this video from 08:52 and onwards: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djSWPET40Ro&feature=channel 2nd. Is what Louis suggested, to write about our journey and the experiences that came with it. To each write a paragraph or so about our experiences and thoughts about the project we have just been through. 100-200 words each. print it on paper that we choose individually, bind it together and call the book “THINKING OUT LOUD”.
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Of course this is off our original topic, but it would make it a lot easier to work as a group on this. I am up for both. Let me hear you guys Paper, Packaging, Energy, Waste, Recycling, Sustainability - conference speaker www.youtube.com Future trends in paper and packaging industry- entire 30 minute presentation. http://www.globalchange.com/ Paper and packaging industry. Future of sustainable packaging, paper, logistics. Demographics, digital impact, distribution and destiny. Demographics 1 billion new consumers. Emerging marke Share Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 14:12 Yeah man, I up for the second one. Lets do it seriously though. Veronica Law at 14:13 i think that the first one is quite philosophical but might be a bit boring. the second approach is rather funny i think, it has a humorous approach to it, but if we are doing the second one it would be entertaining. and olivia’s group has a slight similar approach but not really. as in their first sentence to their introduction is “step one: do not make a publication based on world record.” haha but it depends how we write it. lol so yea.. me and sam think the second idea is possible. Haobo Chen at 14:27 I think both of these 2 ideas are got some points, which I think we can bring them together. like what louis said, we’ve been spent 10 weeks working with paper, but just about these experience of working in this project, is not enough, as philip said, it’s totally off our idea of paper, but 6 people write an essay is too difficult, ( we not even meeting up together this afternoon, how can we bring ideas together?!)
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so I think, as a group of 6 people who all love paper, also been tring to tell people how great paper is. we should all write our own experience from this project been work with papers. for example, I and louis been play around with paper and try to make them into a pop-up book, sam and Joe learned a lot of the history of the paper, philip know what the industry of paper, verioni know the printing ect. all these we could write about will relate to philip’s essay’s idea, which is the paper will never gone! of course if we have to choose between 2 ideas, I VOTE FOR THE ESSAY ONE. Haobo Chen at 14:32 Who would have thought that something as dull and mundane as paper could cause so much excitement, frustration, pleasure, anguish, enthusiasm, stress, and generally change a pick of professional students into a raving bunch of lunatics, for better or worse. The experience of working with paper has taught me so many broader things. Of course, there’s the history and the usage, but how about all the things that would be missing if there was no paper. There would be no paper work to do, no bills, no tax returns... on paper at least. Do I want to live in a world where I have to log on if I want to record my thoughts? No way. I have come to the conclusion that even though this project on paper has caused the most stress and mental anguish I have had in the last year and a half, I love paper. I love it. I couldn’t do without it. It is my life. Thank God for paper!!! from Louis For the second idea, this is what he would write for his experience of the project Philip Linnemann at 14:38 I agree with both of you. As long as we keep it witty, yet seriously I think we can actually make something quite nice that people would love to read. In the introduction we could say something like that the initial idea with this project was to
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base a publication upon an interesting topic and as we spend this day talking about our mistakes we realised that this was actually much more interesting than paper. :) I wouldn’t mind making a mock up for an introduction and pass it on. It worked quite well last time don’t you think Sam? Haobo Chen at 14:46 dont think we need the intrduction, man. so work on NO.2? ARE WE CLEAR NOW?! Philip Linnemann at 14:53 Ok, thats fine with me I just think that we should have a quick discussion about what each of us writes so people doesn’t end up reading the same thing 6 times. I think yours is great Louis! Personally I think I am going to write a bit more about concept development and how a great visual idea can blindfold you in the process of finding the concept. Do you have an idea of how we can still collect an overall red line so that you feel you read 1 complete story in 6 bits? Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 14:56 Ok but for idea number two, we’ll need more. Like 2-5 pages minimum. Haobo Chen at 14:57 We shouldn’t try and edit everyone’s thoughts. We should all write our INDIVIDUAL thoughts. The publication shouldn’t the story in 6 parts. It should be 6 VERSIONS OF THE SAME STORY. Haobo is going to write about his experiences of making the bloody pop ups! Haobo Chen at 14:57 it’s from louis
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Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 15:04 Yeah but not much is needed for the intro. Just concentrate on writing at least 2-3 pages each. It wonâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;t take that long, just like say how you felt during the project. Haobo Chen at 15:08 I think 200 words can stretch 2 pages in an A5 book if it double spaced and slightly larger text. Shall we concentrate on writing approx. 200 words each? Then we know all the entries will be the same length. Louis Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 15:13 200 words? That last paragraph was longer than that man. Come on, let do between 500 and 700. Lets take it seriously. Haobo Chen at 15:22 In order for it to be a personal thought about the project, it needs to be digestible to the person who is reading it. What you are suggesting is one whole A4 page. That will make your intimate thoughts just a verbal assault on the reader. No-one will bother to finish reading it. I think that 200 words is the perfect amount for each of us. We can go 300 if you want, but 500+ is too much. Louis Philip Linnemann at 15:23 I agree with Sam. 500 - 700 can be done today easily Veronica Law at 15:23 yea lets do it! iâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;ll work on a 300word essay and stuff.. =) haha.. segregating it in chapters is good as well. erm we can use different tones of papers or watever.. or
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we could use only one type of paper. =) i don’t mind. either way would look good. ronnie x Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 15:27 We need content Bo. We need to be as big as possible. Veronica Law at 15:29 ok.. 500-700 can be done too =) Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 15:30 Cool, I’ll right mine by 12pm. Ready to print for tomorrow. Philip Linnemann at 15:30 How’s that for an essay Sry, joking aside I think 500 words would be great, even if people don’t know what to write.. We can always “narrow it down”. Philip Linnemann at 15:31 Take out the bay leaf Veronica Law at 15:31 i get what bo means... but either way.. amke sure your first two paragraphs are really good as people may only read the first two =) the most to be honest at the exhibition. Philip Linnemann at 15:37 Ok here are some guidelines. Everyone should: Write an essay between 400-600 words.
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Make an individual headline. Write something good. Take out the bay leaf. Add a bit of garlic. Have it uploaded before 4am this morning. Philip Linnemann at 15:41 Then for tomorrow we need to give out tasks for everyone as well: We need: - One or two to layout - One to correct spelling mistakes / rewrite bad sentences - Two to make a plinth (workshop closes early tomorrow) - One or two to go and choose the paper we need Let me know where you wanna be put Veronica Law at 15:47 no one needs to build a pynth. christian says they have it all... don’t know how it’ll look like thought lol but erm yea.. i guess i’ll be sent to find paper =) Haobo Chen at 16:27 i can correct spelling / rewrite sentances (this is louis, not haobo, in case you were wondering) Haobo Chen at 16:42 WRITING FROM LOUIS How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Page
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Who would have thought that something as dull and mundane as paper could cause so much excitement, frustration, pleasure, anguish, enthusiasm, stress, and generally change a group of professional students into a raving bunch of lunatics, for better or worse. The experience of working with paper has taught me so many broader things. Of course, there’s the history and the usage, but how about all the things that would be missing if there was no paper. There would be no paper work to do, no bills, no tax returns... on paper at least. Do I want to live in a world where I have to log on if I want to record my thoughts? No way. Paper is freedom. So is a pen. Do I appreciate paper? Much more than I did. Paper is like gravity, it is weak, it is taken for granted, but it is essential, and we will always need it. I for one would be lost without it. Why am I typing this? Because my pen has run out of ink. If I had a pencil I would write this out in calligraphy just to hear to hard lead bleed onto the perfectly flat surface of a piece of crisp white paper. I want to wake up with a bouquet of newly sharpened pencils sitting on my bedside cabinet tomorrow morning. I will then write a novel and publish it. But don’t get me to make a pop-up book again. I think I would explode. To be perfectly honest, I never really valued pop-up books very much before this project, and I still don’t. They look nothing like the thing they’re supposed to represent. They make a book bulky and untidy. Nothing matches up, not even professional ones. I do now understand the process and the difficulty of making a pop-up book, but I still ask why do I need to? What is wrong with a flat image? People have been drawing flat images for millennia. It seems to me that pop-ups are still a bit of a gimmick, just like 3D film, which was a gimmick in the fifties and is still a gimmick today. I just wanted to express my anger at 3D film and the pop-up link gave me a good opportunity to impart my distain of that to you, dear reader. Over the last eight weeks, we have all lived and breathed paper. We see paper everywhere… flying on the wind, falling out of the sky, appearing like the devil in stained glass windows. It appears in my dreams and nightmares too. I think the single greatest moment of this project was coming with that concept. Paper. It
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was a highlight. The opportunities were endless. Paper craft, paper use throughout history, types of paper, what paper is used for, in our daily lives, in other cultures, in other times… But by the final few weeks, the strain was beginning to slit our skin like a paper cut that tears through down to the bone. We became so passionate that we couldn’t see anything else. We couldn’t even be persuaded to deviate from our rigid plan. Three books. Three books at any measure. Paper blinded us. But we learned. Haobo Chen at 17:17 WRITING FROM HAOBO Dating paper Paper is one of the things that we use every day but we don’t really know much about it. Since we decided to make “paper” our topic, we spent the past eight weeks living and sleeping paper. There are so many things about paper, the history, the function and the techniques of making it … oh, my god, so many things we could talk about, we learned all this great knowledge about paper and want to share all of it with the public, but as we know the result now, we couldn’t do it, because we can’t do it right. But hey, it’s ok. At least we learned about it, although the project didn’t end up as we expected, but we now know a lot about paper, like starting out as strangers, and ending up close friends. When we started making the pop-up book, the paper treats us very harshly. You cut it into shape, stick it down, pull it, and it still lays on the base. Because it’s too soft to pop up. Once you use a thicker one, this time it pops, but you can’t fold it back again! And when you fold the paper again, especially the thick one, one of the layers of the paper will come off, and make your thirty minutes work become pointless! Just like a crying baby, it gets on your nerves, but you can’t hate it. After a week’s hard work, we finally find the right temperament of the paper, we find the
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right thickness, and now, it behaves as a reliable friend, and it never let you down again. This is how I feel about paper: it’s really easy to work with in general; it has a lot of potential, you can pretty much build anything you want with it, but, you have to know the paper well. Paper is versatile, it can be hard, it can be soft, it can be thick, it can be thin, can be smooth as silk, as rough as basalt. After all the hard work, we finally finished all the designs, and got them printed. I was up working on the pop-up books until 3am Sunday morning. We were so proud of all the work that was done, we were on our way to planning out how we were going to finish the rest of copies, we felt the best in class. But it was too good to be true; the reality came crashing down. Nevertheless, nobody died in the crash, there were only a few bruises that will heal quickly. But hey again, that’s how life goes, and we are now paper masters, but just don’t ask us anything about it. Veronica Law at 19:07 Omg guys!! Seriously! O_o.. Some parts of the written text are good but some might be a bit too erm... Yea... We mighthave to rewrite some certain sections lol.. But great job guys! I think it’s better to not be so rational ... It needds to be a bit more subtle?... I dunno... Erm.. =S... I’m on my way home now.. And yea I’ll see what I can type up. X Sent via Facebook Mobile Haobo Chen at 19:15 ok, sam, veroni. if you want me to write it really Serious and being polite ok. I can try to do it. thx Philip Linnemann at 19:16 Alright guys I just had a look through your essays and to be honest this is not the way to do it. We are NOT meant to write about how much time and effort we put into this project, that we didn’t get much sleep and how proud we were and that we failed.
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We don’t want to stand out as a bunch of cry babies feeling sorry for ourselves. We have to look at this completely opposite. We have to praise this project and point out what we have learnt from this. Ask yourself why we didn’t get it right. Don’t make your whole essay around paper, but about the process. Knowledge that you can bring to future projects ect. Does that makes sense? Haobo Chen at 19:23 ok, if that is what you read from mine, I feel really sorry, I never complain anything like you said philip! And also, what you said is making perfect sence, I will follow what you said, and rewrite it. Haobo Chen at 19:35 I already told louis as well, Louis said he don’t mean to be complain or blame anything in his writing, too. but we are sorry that our writing dosen’t help at all. so now we goona write this again, and hopefully will be helpful at the end. Joe Mania at 19:35 just got home... wow. you guys wrote so much stuff. loved your ‘narrow it down - joke’ phil. that made me laugh out loud. as sam said: we could just copy paste this whole facebook conversation into one book. after all you put on today this should be thicker than the bible....
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i agree with ronnie i think: lets try to write around 500 words. strong in the beginning and probably less stronger if we run out of ideas, but just to get enough pages together so it has enough pages to be thicker than the cardboard cover, haha.
i also COMPLETELY agree with philip: (i havent read the texts of haobo and louis) but we should see it from the angle how much the whole process helped us. tomorrow is my last day. so ill be around till after the fmp briefing... REALLY REALLY SORRY. DIDNT KNOW THAT THIS TURNED OUT LIKE THAT. but ill try to help out as much as possible. i thinkk the idea is great and with the right amount of humor and a beer with kieron together at the exhibition it can turn out as a great idea. ill finish mine then till tonight. i like this group. Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 19:46 Joe thats such a cool idea!!!!!! Lets just print this conversation! All the content is there, it tells the story of our development, and all of it is done! I really think it could work.
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What do you think? Joe Mania at 19:48 that was actually just a joke. Joe Mania at 19:56 and i also didnt want to make us think about ANOTHER idea AGAIN. it was really just thought as a joke. Veronica Law at 19:57 lol.. thats what i said... but o_O.. hhahahahahahahahahahhahhahahah its bloody crazeh and i kinda like it.. lol. it would be halarious at the exhibition though... imagine.. if i went to an exhibition like this. and saw this.. i would actually be intrigued, entertained and actually laugh. and weâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;re not even using paper to communicate right now.. but it will be on paper ;) kakaka Joe Mania at 20:02 just interest wise i copy pasted it into a text file... A4 85 pages 22.000 words Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 20:03 Yeah I know you meant it as a joke but I didnâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;t. Think about it! Sent via Facebook Mobile
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Philip Linnemann at 20:06 Iâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;m up for it! I think the idea is original and I believe it could be quite interesting for the reader as well Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 20:08 85!!! Cool man, and it keeps getting longer! 22001, 22002, 22003... Joe Mania at 20:12 what format were you thinking of anyways? A5 landscape? portrait? i wouldnt go for anything bigger. just in case we go for this idea: how would the layout look like? definitely no images. = plain text. well thats what phil suggested yesterday. same as yesterday: i think plain text can look amazing we could have the index listed by days? nevertheless i think we should have an introduction. telling the audience about the idea of writing doen what we have learnt from this project... Haobo Chen at 20:14 Louis Water Your Ideas
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Hand made. So many things are mass produced today without the love and care of the individual craftsman. The person that takes due time and care to produce something exquisite. The original can copied and duplicated an infinite number of times with ease, but these duplicates lack the human touch. This is what attracted me to the idea of doing something hand made. The journey that we all went on during this process has been immense, informative, very rocky at times, but nonetheless worth it. Over the last eight weeks, a number of emotions and experiences have passed us by; excitement, frustration, pleasure, anguish, enthusiasm, stress, and so much more. But we were passionate, and it is that passion that we experiences that led to many triumphs, and more problems. The problem for a start, that we found what we thought to be a brilliant solution, and could literally see nothing else in front of us. We saw the end product so clearly, so early on in the process, that we didnâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;t want to let go. Like an elderly woman that clings to the back of sinking ship, knowing it is pulling her down as well as providing her with something to cling to. We did sink. And we ended up floating in a vast ocean of nothingness, not knowing which way to swim to get to a safe place. All the while we were sinking, there were other boats signaling to us to let go of the ship, jump in the water and find another vessel. But we found it a comfort to have something safe to hold on to. The comforting thing to know is that no-one drowned. For this is the arena to experiment, take risks, fall down and stand back up. And for all this, we learned. How to do it. And how not to. All this for the sake of something as dull and mundane as paper. It is something we are almost expert at now. We see paper everywhere, even in our dreams. There is a process for making paper, and there is a process for making a publication about paper. Both processes seemed very straightforward. The former was, and we thought the latter would be too. It turned out we were very wrong about the latter. To have an idea is a good thing, but one must be prepared to adapt the idea and not prevent
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it from developing and growing up. This is the fundamental truth about the project and process that we have been on. You must be prepared to let them grow. Don’t snip them at the root and take them indoors, water them and let them blossom. Veronica Law at 20:14 i don’t know what to think. o_O.. to be honest, this is like one of those projects that you just go “heh” at the end and laugh about it since we went through alot ... but learnt A LOT of things about paper, printing, info graphics, technical issues, craft within the medium and this basically proves and shows what out project was about and it’s definitely not “COLD” like our info graphics at all. Maybe we’re analysing too much, but maybe we don’t even need to print it out. lol.. we could just show it haha and it might even become viral. well all i know is, nothing is lost and we still produced something which we liked. This is nothing more than a simple example of an idea published. Philip Linnemann at 20:15 Could everybody just go on skype? I know that this wouldn’t increase the word count but it will certainly be easier to agree on everything ;) Haobo Chen at 20:16 veroni’s last line is really good and true! Philip Linnemann at 20:18 I bet she put it in in case we chose to publish this ;) Veronica Law at 20:19 really well written louis.. seriously.. i liked it.. it sounded very poetic hehe Haobo Chen at 20:19
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yeah, ture haha she must be Veronica Law at 20:19 lol! yes i did.. haha shhh!!! Linnemann! you’re starting to read to mind and i’m scared o_O Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 20:22 Who agrees with the facebook thing? If ok say YES If not say No and why Philip Linnemann at 21:01 I wanna have the last post!
Joe Mania at 21:02 YES Samuel Pavans De Ceccatty at 21:03 YES Veronica Law at 21:03 NO ... Veronica Law at 21:04 haha alright then