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Tlre apparent uncgrtainty of each others poli tic al- af f iliatioirs serve ( reassuringly). to dispel any suspiciorrs I had about the band being jus'i another bunch of art scLrool $iartyrs coming to save the city by use of, the nnihed-up pulpi t" Youfre not tryins to Eet any great political rfiessase acrCIss vsitlr your sonEs? l* ; tNo , not really. You can say t-rhat you feel about certain thj"ngs but you r

Ihey live together in a housing cooperative in Camd€or their house is a barely organised shambles, not unlike their stage showirgsr They donr t know where anything is, but they have fun finding it.

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cantt tput a message acrossf iust like r tirat. i f you try to do that you just . ena up slonganising, itt s a bit point- ' less * like lonr iiobineca.f r { Ana who li ster:s tc r:im? ) vlhy are you in a band?

G: rf I t just seemed a natural thing t,o do. vr'€ prefer r.rorking within the context a rock gtroup works j"n rather than that wnich an orciinary artist works ih. rre like the people we deal witn in this ,side of' things, whereas we donr t like the ;f'yl::* *f people t*6 t d have to cieal with in the r artrsorlu | * Anci musi"c is a good way of expressi*g yourself.tl Isnf t it linited? u: rr,tell E €verythinsts limited rea}ly" I think you can ds quite a lot with wcrds anci rnusic. rl 'i': tf il band has far less lirni tations than most artiets" Yf know, there art n't that many rul€$ r and if there are we i'rant to avoid them.rf torn met Green at Leeds *rt rlollege,

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sultivating hie in his hometown art school at Srighton. N"ie ls past seems to be cloaked in nystery n apart from the fact that he was an old friend of Greens who was hanging around Leeds. tthy did you turn to music as a form of expression when your d been tau6ht how to do that visually at college?

G: tr weli nobody listens to that. I f you do a painting or whatever r and you are really excited about it and yourve put a lot into it n you turn around and wait for some kind of reaction. iSut it just .isnt t there r it t s hopeless.tl Didnr t you do ar\y performance art spending a year

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T I Very gooci ren 11y, the paper$ seem to lilte us and resctions at giSs are Sood.. Ytknotlr ]Jwople that coffie to 6iiigs no'rr actrinS-l;r know most of the son{irsr anr] thatrs It f s xlore 'bhan 'ire do l tt incredible. lr'rje n:ake up sonf,,s snstage r;uite Nr a bit. $omet imes half the set is impr ov i sed . rt

) I usually hr;te banii s but r'lith:,',au it seerns qu it e nstural. iio lFs1r finh, it easli? l\: : trlt i.s f airl;ir easy r 4s to hotr ;;';ood it is deFends on how i,{* fe*l 0B ihe ni;,;ht. ltrs difffgult to tell" if a certain bit of ir,rpi,ovisation ie 1d-Jci'kinr; or r:ot , *ecause jrou I re too i-nv*}v*ci in d*ing it, but it usua'1i.1' It ffiakes thinss a bit' seei:is alr:;;iht. ffiior# i.nter'{*stin{l for us enc}" t}:e nc*ople trlrt- cori!* to see us.ll ji.nother rintere*ting: | '.:'venL that #isl1r cr Ii:&:.,'' not occur dur:"ng their set igi {} Bectisn i-lhere soxr:eCIne conieB onsta;qe and re*ds scrnethi.nq cut abcve s jerl"i,y- Cui:tbed-uF itackdrop slJritr1j eS" bli cli+ ,$crits. fire{in: rliiis }iave sonietirin$ d.ifferent r1-'{}J"''.' t ine.

A bit of the lccnl ne $p,*per uf i;i'ie ioi*n r,,igr.f* 'l)1e;,rin,ii in or $oi;':e thing, usufi lly the most bernal bit of the paper we can f ind t jus* to sort of point out whet itfs l-jhe l-ivinl; in thnt nsirticuleir toun.

It t ti not re$lly relevsnt to anythoin,+ cther than the t irne and place we sre ',dâ&#x201A;Ź just grah anyone urhs lr-1 ayir:S in" hap$sns to be around for that bit.rt It, s*effis t o be an ext ension of the radio tapes on tti',pgntern klorldtl .

T:oln I rtI su ripCIse it, is, yeah I it I s the s&il:e sart of idee. Cnc, nii'ht wa$ 51ood1 ire hed l4att (ttre ffiangiler and e*J-r:ost l+t,h m$nber) re&din6 out sl-1 \ the aciv*r?,rs tliat journfiliets ltnd prjp*fsr .Tust in the us abcut 'nrritten t a l ist l F ltnor.l ttansulB,f tu, nrconc i$e ttr-l all that :'ubbieh.

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G: ilf suppose $or the only thing I Learnt was a by-prod,u ct of iny a'rg:uing; with the teachers.

In order to put an arsument acrcss you tencled to read up on that subject you were ar$uing about. in that '.'day you Se t a di f f erins oninions. ?hat hras alL I learrecJ r I read quite a lot, I suppose partly Cue to that experierlce.

3ut overall it wa6 h/orthl€ss I once they realised you weren I t going to sit arounC and paint all the t ime t h ey Save up on you. f I ffArt college is great f or just / lazirp; around in. You can Set away with clcing fuck all for a ?t

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O: tlltore or lesE. iie bcoked studio t ime b"ef,ore we brere even a {froupo I'nre had thrre weeks to $et s0$et]::tn*t rusd'q f or it. i',5-e 1 was st ill livin$ in Leeds and he had to boruow soneones / bass and c ome Coisn f or the ses,gion.ll You I d never playp$ anythin,E? i'Il tr$r, not i ju-st learnt the b&ss ,

part for the sih4l,e, it only taok & f e'*r doys f it t's' qlt it e €# s$. tt Can you pla.;r properly no,rr? i':tllieahr I consider so. ,,je11 enou gl:, an:.,r1,,lay. tt !t'hich is all that ma.tters.

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e$ il:iE I ',ye I d have fi vsr:r. raal niusical i'*voluticn cn oir.r hcnis. $cri*;ti F'ol,itti believed in the*sel"v.csr sild cast all traCi;Lcns ,:*sicl u :n crder tc i::et tl:inFis talkins about th'b' prr,;s bring us hanrti ly i:tcvinf,:.'j"'here tfi? s no hcit:b.lrCino"" to your imag€. Did you ever actually thinlr ,ecord ti:: '-r'itlr taF,esr cor?iiranies i about how you d like to be seen by othereS no ll'io, f,ueinp: for contracts, thcy G: !'re just play our stuff to people, t went ehead and did r*l:at tire.i \ ;uet just itf s a pe rformance, 1 suppo$e itfs want ecl t o. ?iie "iloder is in i he performence ar t, with the instant reaction iran*s of tilcse bol,d enoug4h to \ you get frorn t he aud,ience* Theref s no g;rab i.t. ':'rue, oth.er bands heve f calcuLated att ernpt s at Fr o j ec t ing any ione i h is, it t "s just that the vFart icul-ar ima Se though. " ,*cr:-ts Cid it r:ore ilranat ica11.r tou tend to atr ply arty t erms t o r,',rhat you t re ( i' succsesfu3l;,,r ) than n:ost. doing rather t han tradit ional rock I n I ro11 l+as chat &n ir,lpcrtant f actor, etandards Inaltinr,'it alone?

T: ttlrlelI we wa nt to Set away from those trYeahr verli riiuclr so. Ferticufi: standards and traditionse and I suppose as c 1ar1;,'at the tjne. ;ie haci tlris we went to Art c oLlege we t end niaybe t o take icl ea tllat tirere chou1C. be hundreads that attitude touards thirigs. fl of banc.is nakinf ,J , j.. y. recordsl But I take it you didntt like art col1ege. and if we c ould do it , anyone c ould. tt G I lt0h god rlo r Art college in a cornplete But youtre not as entl:usiestic waste of tirne. The tutors are Fj,enersIl"y a aborrt the idea nor*'? j;irst bunch of wanke rsr l reslised in rnji f:-rst G:?t','ifell, lr€sr ftts just that in t erm at Leeds. practise it can prove to be a $ut the er,,per i ence did you soffie gccd t}:ou[i]i. f

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stil"l signing orl, tt $. any trouble frorn the lf I'I att: trl'iot really, they ffCIt interesi ed ii n us for a while, but all yourve fl at t o do is prove to thenr youtre not a aking any aone.',r from tire l:and and J. t hey i''o abray, rl il hat plane are there for more relea se s?+ ? 3 rr,ofef ve got the 12tr e.F. cominf o ut s oonr It I s Sot six tracks fro;: the Fe,e11 s essions on it , lropefull'y it | 11 he cu'+v f or leos than 2 quid.tt I n these Ca;'s of 6 qu id alburis r tha tfr t f" of to be worthwhj. le.

I,nfortunatly (} t he Beeb are being sods about relea l/tar t, he tap€sr due to red tape i,*ith the usicians uniorr r ao the releese dat h as been pui back to about i'lovernber 'if hy rel-ease the Feel secsions at al 1" T ' ft I Cos we went into ttre studio an d r ecorded a few thlnss for possible r eleasel but kJe werlnf t happy ','rith th el f inal tap€s r so we ,scrappe d that an d 4 d eei'ded to get these. out as they ar a !o € '.'last ed.l,,lIr,i o ood and, already rec orded.

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There is strll roor: fof ir,'':i:cveriicr:t, l;'he Scrits rr€ 1o*se etli:uf:ih fr-r th*re to be trr::orfl for aore i,ieng. "'h-ers in alsa r,.'0r3 for ysu. I I cl advise en)'c;tie to {"c, $nct see them nc'r,J. ,bcritti jrolrtti n-re not eetting out on n ny lc$entle rS r*ad to starri*nr I they n.fB just ,:-r bu.nch of j.nr1 fr,'ir.irrEls e3perimentio.ril a.ncl J 6oi the irnpressicn the ,:psj*ct cr:u1.6 be ca:tctll-ed *t .3.ny l$orrient, if they thous'ht t}:eir control or artintic grntjfj-cation 1,.rBs d,itrin*. ishitrg- (an cbr,'ious t:y-procluct of -n], 1:.-,.ncl t tha t iJC t,S stcn onta ttrn t rnr d , Cnn yr,u I " t.t-}le na.rt in thisi d=,r nC€n.bl-e e:.r":eriment?

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autornatically get l.istened to. In fac t I think it I s more lil(ely tha t if you have e smaller number of people hearing you then they r*ill be more interested anrl rec eF t ive tc r'.rhe t you I re Co itrS. A ny'r';ay , numbers Con ' t really interest trsr I just d.on't th j nk l+e rd appeaL to a radio audien c e in the d* ytirne , I can I t see them be ing tha t intere sted . tr You I re cbviously resgae influenced, *re yc'u big fans ?

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Chelsea have been around. since the early d,ays of punk (circat?6 in the u,K. ) ,yet where do you ever see a decent nrticle ?

They have become the hated band of the new wave G which is pretty unfair.

Sure, they nade nristak€s r but rras their talk of being ''oh-so-r,?.d iea1 | aay worse than the dann and their ou'tburet of naivety on voting Tory'/ Their 'rrradical , stance was no worse than say, thet ,of the CIa sh. Gene Oc tober posed in gay ma gg for soffie money .r before being in a band H but so rvhat ? David .l onansen, Oebbie Harry, Gaye lt dvert did it too. So rvould J ohnny .r,ydon if he rrere beautiful enoush. Gene did go over the top in fa c ing his eudi enc e uritfr violent outbursts , but tha t trn s no wor6e than the early PistoJ-s or J&.mned.

And rememb€r r CtreLsea where right there in those clays too. ; TSe press icant Chelsea to go at.r*-y r but they Honrt go.

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The Piralohas are undoubtedly Brightonrs hotteet band a.i the monent. Born on the crest of the Jubilee lear Ner,Warel their humorous" cyni.call self=parodying blend of punk, reggaer. pop aad honesf=to=good.ness entertarining silliness, has brought, then, via a single (liffXl/Coloureel Music) three tracks on the very pgll received "ttd lfau-Ltage t?8 Ip to the verge of a. contract rith a najor record cotr|any. This interview night be one of the last they do ag; a relatively unkno&n,phenonenorn. B1r rrthe;rtrl me&n; The Pirhanagr minug the rhyrthm section of Reg Hornsbury, (taee) and Dick Slerie (aruns).I spoke to John Hehner (guitar, vocals), Bob Grover (guiter, vocaile:) and Zoot Allures (sax, silly nane). Inevitably, talk cf the recorcl deal fea.tured proninent1y1noulconversation'.'so1etlgkickoffthere

+ Is there &, deal ln the off in$ Well, there is and there isnft.

Until you sign $oil€thingr there I s nothing; is there ? + Eut Sou have turned some d,own?

ZO0T: 0h, yea,b. We told CtsS to fuck off yesterday. + Becauge it sa;g.n I t a"L good enough BOBI

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8OB,r The first offer we had ras from e publishing companyr to make an a[bum, 'Ihey rooed us on six cans of heer end tro packets of crisps, That was their id.ea of a free m€al . + So you I re just wa,it ing f or the right d.eal to come along? ffiB,: It von,f t come a-L ong ; we I 11 harre to fight for it.

ZOOI s We Yant a deal that will al]ow us to ma,ke &: single and. maybe have it flop for Bome reas:on and still be )

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able to make &nother one r" without being kicked. off the Iabel.

B0B r $ome t ime s 7, if they think a band. I s good. , they t 11 s ign t em up ; give I em a, nainute advsnce r. d.o nothing about the ir first couple of stngles so theytl+ b,ombr and in e f f ec t the'y I ve ru j-ned the band I s 'career for a couple of yee,rs, jus.t to stop anyorri€ exploit ing them to the de triment of other bands on the laber. The bis companies still operate like that. Theyrve got loo many bands, on the label r and. they can lt afford to pr,omote them ailtc + If and wben you do signa, d.eal ,, and assuming that fate d.oesn i t befall you,r.ill image play a big part in your livee?

JOliN: 0f course it will. Welll get a; p.R. matr and all the rest of it. + Lro you th ink tLrat s id,e of i t is mad e too

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r tYell, there I s two sides to it. f iret thing is that r,e I re no t eas ily classified, and thatf s B.: good thing. theyI11 tend to concentrate on the JOHN

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lvnrlTidun!: eharacter of the beild.. The naiin thing ia: getting an engle.

BOBI Thatrg,the rord that alra,ys cropg uP* a'lrgl€.

JOES.T But itrs,good to haye a1r angle to be anr'initividtual thing, nnd aot ao

thing. + But ienrt it a contrived indlriduality?

JOHI{I llhatt*. the.other eide of it. Tha.trs the dravback* the fect that yourve got to live up to an lnege. We rant an irnage theSre us; one tbat ve dontt have to live up to. + Don-rt trrou think tbait.a' &,b,it naiiue?

Surely you roro.rt have an awful lot of sa,y in the na,tter.

JOENI Yell, r€rve talked. to a fer people a&out this' and they seelo to think reire a;ibaad rhorre quite eaey to p.R. B0Br I think theyrll try and erptoit the faot that ve make fun: of ourgelvea, rhich ie the sEqe ag, not having an inage, really.

J0ENI So, therers ao such thing as, no movement

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inage is reaility.

J0El{: Everybody thinke their image is re&I,{tyr, but itts not. f tbink theyrll exploit our dead"par,humour. + Xes, tha,+rs arother thing. f,unouf plays a..big part in, your nuaic, doeen0t tt?

JOE}II Yee, but itts aot like fhe Albertosn though* all piss-takea end the like. Itrs. part of our rorld*vigrr ma.aaa€ln,. Our reld.= _

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&O8,r Nah, I d.oart knor rhat youtre tal.king a&out. Hu&our to ue iE the ire,ee as beer.

It d.eaderna tbe blor a* bit. Our huuour I s born of sg,ffeaing' aot happlness.

J0SNr Itts dlifficult at the noment because vhen you fire.t etart getting notioedl they put you in a* bracket= nod, punk, humorousr fhatever. . . + Do you think youfve got a b.umorous inage, tben?

JOH[: No, I d.onrt want us to be knorn just ara eonediang. Therers a lot nore to us than that. 8ut in the final analysis it doesnrt natte:r that nuch becauae r,e rve built it up not througb the pxess but through playlng 'to people, and they knor,,r,hat rerre ebooi. ,

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accassabil,ity and d.orn*to-earth feel rithout f&lliIag into the "Irn-&rworking* clase-Iad*f rn-aalright,r mould.

JOEIIT The nsin thing. to avoid, is trying to be Joe Pub,Iicl llke Jinny Fureey. Wben re net hin he rd. jua"t come bsck fron e. holid.ay ia Barbad.os. Even hin! The lead einger of Tbe Ruts d.rives around in a eports car vith personalieed nunbes=p1at6s. Their inage iE a,1.1 so transparent. They try eo

hard, but it d.oesn,tt ring true. put the stress not eo niuch on rhal re are, mole rhat we arenrt.Werro not superg"fiars or ronderful people. r:ith rings or somethilg. + 3ut arenrt trrou-worried ebout that sort of thing happening if lrou beoone BOBr t{e

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B0B: Theyrd have a. hard. jgb fighting

our lyrics. + A fery of the. grouprs songa these deys seem to contain en elenen,t of social commentary. . .Thiugs like Happy, Fanil;ies' Ivlotor Car, Love GMe,..

JOHN: No. A few.;of MX songs.

Do you see this eid.e oi it obniug into your nu.sj.c nore?

JOlINr Not panticularly. f dorrrt knor, rbat the next songrs goiug to be about

until I rrite it. + 0kay. Wha.t about the Eor€Er rhioh ssen to be rritten from peraonaot experience= thinge. like Go,tting Beaten Up'and the three Va.ultage tra,cks?

BOB': Yeahn *ell I rrtte songs that are

about ego problems nore thaa. a4rthi,ug.

John and I do rrite a,loi of stnilar-

etuff, though. + So y.ou don,r t particularly see any thene d.evelopiug in your sotrigs. DO y,ou T€e., Uiourselves prinaftly as enterta.i&ers then?

B0&: r{e prohabfy afi ede ourselves d.ifferently. The only interteiners lrve. ever liked are tbe ones rho oaa ebeer ne up, regardlese of rhether thetrrrre good nusicians, or rhether theyr3e musioi.ans a_t all. + Br.rt rhen yourre p}rying 1ive, entertaiTlng peopter. do you thiuk thegn lie,tala e.i[l that closely to the 1yricsi

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so. Theyrre ouppoeed to. We take a:..great deal of troub:le at the sound ohecks to ensure the*. the ly,rics rill be a.ud,ible. + &rt I still thlnk urost pe.ople go to ga&s prinarily to have a. good-tinfn and arenirt too concerned. about listenj.ng to the rord.s.

BOE: Well, re s€e. people there rith grins on their facesr, which ia rh8.t re judge it by, so sone people nugt listen.

JOENr Ird hate to think'that varre s,tanding up there al.agging off aII theae, ggonle,we hate, vhich is basically rhat allr_aboutr you knorl and. everybody itt: jus"t io dancing up and dorn, oblivtoud, Rock Aga,inet Racien tour gigs you _+_the did.= and this is relevant to aiIl the Sroups invsly66, not just you= hor much ras that to d.o with publicity=ss6ft1n€ and. hor rnuch to d.o with genuine 11

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J08Nr The point ian before the tour, ratd alread.y do&s ahout trenty IiAR gigs in Brightonrn vhich aobocly outside the area rould hax,e even heard about.

BOBr I think that, ae a band' onr first thought wae that it ras,a gig. ye rould.r.rt

hare done it if it had conflicted rith our beliefel, but I nust ailnit I never thought about it conscieur\r. B*cism ilas

&iu€r,,rord, to ne= Itve rnever had anything lYe rre uOt into RAfi juet because itrs. a fashion.

ZOOtr RARrg,Ulfifa.shionable in a.. ragr not and rcrre gtill doiag it. A11 the little baarils use lt just to get their nanes heard.. + That rs rhy I a,akecl the question.

B0B: Well, ag: I said., re did it for the Siger but we rouldnft have if it wBS iD: eupport of sonething against our principles. + Alright, a stendard. intervier qUestion nor, for the eake of our nillions of read.erg. Hol, ditl you start, and. rhat did. you have in nind at the tine?

JOSN: We started. rell= re enjoyed. it, rhich ras the irnportant thing. + Like so many other people forning bands &3q,1;!r.,; aayhOd.y.

ini tbe sunmer of t77r 3rou rere excited by the punk thing, and d.ecided to ha.ve a go y.ourselvee?

ZO0ft Yeah, re junped on tbe punk Rock be,nd.ragon.

+ Iitren I firgt aar you' you didnrt like juet another punk band.

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J0[Nl Uor. re rerenrt. IYeused to try aaything, just to see rhat vorked and rhat d,iduit. We tbought, mistakenly, that it ras about variety, but it e.eens nor that it rasntt= it ras about unifornity. + Talkiag about unifornityr Jou used to rear police uniforms on stage. Was that jrue.i a ginruick, to get you noticed?

J0trN: The origiual. thirg about punk ras that it r&B supposed, to ahock, so Te thought i{ all these p.qople rere coning to our gigs expectlng to be shockedr. Ietrs ehock ren hy reariag police uniforms- and it realLy did shook then. + Ies1, you rsre turning the shock right bgok on. them. Punks a.renrt ehocked. by other puulat clotheg or behayiourr. but seei.ng a rpunkr band on stege rearirlg polioe uniforns' of all things, must haye beeu genuinely ahocking= nuch nore sp tban juo.t seeing the Lates-t outrageous, alothee their heroee bad d.reemed up.

JOHNr Iee, lt hed. a,reaL visual iniact. + Alright= fron on€ rec€nt trend. to an sven more recent one. What do you think about the qurrent ltod revival?

J0f,Itr I donrt like the ray itts going.

I mea:e, theyrve got their 'rsniffing Glue'r, and eventually theyrll tiave their lflark Penry. Sorneone said. theyrre like the punksr younger brothers aofne

their own thing. Ifn annoyed, because f really into it. There raa a lot of energy generated by lhe Jan, but the ray itts going at the noment itre just eo cynical. It got exploited. too quickly= it ras in the national papers before there yas a soene there.

BOB; I reckon itrs. s,tupid! llod. res wag

about being mod.ern and being innovatore and rearing clothes tha,f nobody ever

vore before, and. for someone to cone along fifteen years later and call

thenselve&,tr{iod.s ie ridiculous. punks are the llod.s nor.

JOHN: No, theyrre not. They etill rear their leather jackets- antt their Sid Vicious T=shirts.

B0B: Yeah, but theyrre stilJ nore than ten years nerer than Dodj*. yourd never get the original Mod reariag the sane gear ten years later, They usett to change their clothes every tro or three

*eelcel d.id.rarrt they?

JOHN: The whole TOts thing aeens to hanre heenr about plundering pa&t eres.

Itrs like they look in thelr picture books and decice rhatl.to rear thiE yeer. + I think it's becqube people juet donrt rant to, live ln 'ttre ZOf s' itrs beeu such a bad decadei JOHN.: I donrt. I thi.nk itrs juat because people havenrt got enough ideas.

3OB: The rhole Mod thing's a contradiction, as far as I can see. Itra exactly nonsmod€rn.

J0HN: I dontt think theyrre the future of rock Inr ro11, .but I donrt think any of the punk bancla are, eitber.

BOBI The ray I eee itn either the punk ba.nd.s are going to progreso, 'or theyrre going to fLzzle out and all the old hairy hairy bands rhcirve ailvays run it, are going to junp back in egain. + But eurely punk nusic has progressed enornoue\r rith the likes of The Oeng 0f tr'our and any number of lNar Susiki band,s?

JOEN: Yes, itrs like the bourgeoie kidg getting back in again. The best of itre a lot better than nost of the stuff knocking about at the monent. frve seen a fer of thoee band.s, and I found The Mekons really gort of,.. inepiriug in a ray. Rough, but inspiring. But I thtnk the arty bands like Scrittl potitti en<l Throbbing Gristle are ehit. l{e,ffsville, Arizona,, m&.n. + I heve to disagree. I sar Scrittl

Politti a few months ago, and, they Tere one of the mo s t, exc i t ing }ive groups lfrre seen for a long time.

Z00T I I find I know far less about whatfs going on in the music scene now than I did when t wasn I t so busy in i t myself , + Donf t you get much of a chance to see many, groups, then?

Z00T l We can only ge t to see tsrighton bands normally, because when we rre in Lond.on or wherev€re re f re usually

playing a gig ourselves. I find all I can d.o is listen to John Peel. If I had any noney I I d go and. inve s t igate them irn the record. shops. That I s what I used to d.o. + Are you still not making much noney out of all these gigs you do?

J0Hbl: Naa&h ! We rve got debts. Af ter paying f or pe trol and road.ie s and. eerlipnent and the upkeep of the van and

then paying Tony ( nyf ord. , the ir manager ) r, there I s not nuch lef t betreen f ive of lls.

The money comes in from the gigs and goes ,

straight out again . $Ie t ve got to be careful wha,t we d.o with it. + Are you dreading the rhole music biz s id,e of it if you s ign a big d.eat ?

JOHNr Werre looking forward to being signed up and being on &r wage. + But all the things that go with it?

JOHN: The las t thing we want to do. ls play in Brighton f orever rror€ o It t s not that we. don t t l ike playing here , but we ve got to move oo,, Hhat will happen if we s tay in Br igkr ton i s that f or while our gigs rill be packed, then people will alow1y lose interest r and eventually we I 11 be ptayir,r;g in the local pub, to ten people agaj-n, like in the beginning. Signing a d"eal is just part of the natural growth thirrg. f

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Welle fhe Piranhae ARl,l groringr and i Gantl see them playing to audiencee of ten for a goocl rhile yet. nut at the same timel theyrre hard,Iy the next Beatles, and I only hope for their ee'k6r aad the eake of their potentially large number of fane, tbat they don,ft ov€T-eatinate thelr value to the nusic i-ndustry by holding out for too uuchl a"4 erd up heing elappeil on the rrists and. e,enrt home rithout any 6upper f,or being greed.y bo1rs. Their cour&ge in turning d.ownr eone b.lg d.eals alreaity is. aituirabler rhero so nanJr ba.ad.e opt fbr the faat huck auil errd up inr.g-traitJackets, hnt theyrre not indispeusah'le tri the nusio irdustry or the oreat,ditish-Fublic; end if they push it too farr the record conpaniee night juet IosS pettience and imtereetr and then sooner or later they WILI b,e back playing to ten"people in the locel puh.

For the tine beingr thoughr deal or no d.eal, they are due shortly to release their second eingle, Yap Y:ap:Ia.p/ Happy Fanilies on the locatr Attrii labelr, rho releaseai tbeir tro otbei vinyl excursions to date. lfho knors? It night be ihe next [Are Frieads Electric?" or "Oangaters'r. If gor, it roultl give then vagtly inproved. bargaining Bower rith the najors.

When I talked to then, I:iound them affable and ready to talk about thenselves and their music= not playing at superstars or wond.erftrl people with rings. Letrs hope it stays that vay. There rag also an agreeeble }ack of carefully thought=out collective world=vierr for aJ-1 Johnts kidd.ing. During the intervier lhey frequently disagreed rith each other and argued. anongst thenselvesn and. that oan only be a gootl thingl the ray I.see it. !'ricti.on rhich causes constructive, positive resPonses among ite nenbers is the life=blood. of a group rhich rants to continually chaage; gJroy, mature. Thie lot aren,tt a buach of earnest young nen trying to cran their earnest young viere dorn our throat*1 Pop Group style. Theyrre basj.cally a good-time band, and theyrre there to be enjoyed. rtnjoy then.

By the tine you read. this, the fears I expressed further up the page nay prove to have.heen uafountted by the ners that The Piranhas have eigned. a iavourable contract vith a hig conpany. I hope so, because theyrve got a,. lot to offer, an6 their music *ill appeal to many people. tr'itnql rord. to the Piranhas thenselves: Donrt blor it, Iad.s!

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By day itrs a record conpany. Teruy llurphy satr the need for another venue several year6 ago. He started r.rith band.s l-ike Tom Robinson, The Stra.nglers, The;lezilos etc. etc. and lots of local groups, tlhe Ticl<ets1 and lirore recentLl', The Oockney Rejects, amoung others. So pleased nith the succsess of the venue, he decided herd piece together an aIbum, just as a thankyou to all the bands whord nlaled iher6 regularly and oomehotr been overl-ooked b3'the supposed-:y ecclectic elres of the BIZ. Ehe doubl-e live album rA week at the Bridger r..'a6 recordecl and produced

by Chris Thorepson ( then of l"lanfred ltrenn ). For sorf,e cif the banrls it 'nrae tfretr only recorded vrork, but for others ( titce Night ) it was just the leg-up they so badly needed.

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Ttre last ffithestartofBridgeIIouserecordsrthenoneofthefeutrue1.yinQpenda.nt record conpanies. A brace of singles folLowed. tsticky Jackf frc'rl The '-:arn: .T€tsr IRockashochar by Rebel, tltll- be *vour FinUpt by'ihe TiclcetsI rl'rrods doriIt sbil rent (an ode to Durex) by Z:omo. - fony Bl-achburn d.idntt play e6* of them.

I,lot deterred,'-Uerxy decided to go for bust q"nd rnalie a couple of r,,3.buns, one of Itheatricalr rock band Dogrn'atch (sort of a cult brnrl in the East pnd)e and'nother of an amalgae of srurtly dressed people '..,ho trere going <lown a stcrm on i'ionday nights ia the pub....Mods.

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C.K. thatts the story so farl aod:rhy shou)-d you be i:-:ter.:ste;l:ln.lli.strry 'al-lling l'ounded c:,r.l.leci. tl,ell, lets say your., banci, rny band, but lets say 1'ourre and yourve sent your tape to five miliion places and the:f stj-Il danrt ltno',: you frcn Adan (the r,taunclei. r*hot). gut youtve sent one to the Bridge antl Lhey lffer you,L trJ-ay a fetr ti::ies and thel' selrrf'.,'h:.trs support gig (nig deal eh? - It rnight Ue).3o you r.;rell r,ghatsit?'t river you Ao?ItDor-rn the that son! , sortehor.'lr(;u rri;ht end up'.'rith:r" piece of-plastic that says on it ttThe'alking'.'ounder'1 tr !!)orrYi oir the river l'-'aiting ior the r*ind. to blor*'r. Yiah, this is a.lfiost - true storl'(the sinSle isnrt out;rnrt) The t'uture r' i"iell, apart oron uFcoraing releases fror.: RolI Ups fferry Iia c i voy" th e f u ture is to bo ther f inirhing off th': l".o r.

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rfA foolleh consistancy is the hobgoblin of l-ittLe mind,s. ., ( Ihe farnous J ,r;;y Parsons quo tes frorn $mgrson , ( ph il osnper , not keyboard reptilian) illusi"uting how to live the life of the rnost cont* roversial critic of rock'structr-lre and survive . rn o ther r+ord,s say vrha t you like, but be sure you rre, sitting by the

escape hatch when you do so.

The prospect of rneeting the dyna*ic duo of supposed. shlt-faces-ff.bout-tor;n '*rithing tha plush c oc oon o f the r. E! . e. was r to say the lee st r interesting. To

turn the tables on the enfants terribles of the ( -open brackets- ldet - close brackets I rochd,ream prornised to f l ing these chic of"f ices into a stn te of chaos. t;r s the man nigtrt s,r.f, I FteLting typewri ters*toppling f iling cabiaetg-f ires burnins oti"*u or p*yCIia t d bank notes and free copies of 'blorr train comingri -reels of f ilm flickering a Debbie lramyT'Neil ,spencer bf;droom 6ceue on the fast coj lapsing waII. gnd the sole survivor bein6 one honest john fanzine editor stumbling out thr**gt the fura€s r cordroys, and, piles of un-€&rthed guilt. ythnow the score, after all they,ve snidl r had &. mission. x- Do you ever set sick of this rrrockbiarr thing you re involvecl in?

-A soft u,est\,ountry accent pipes up from behind the desk. r discover its source is one 20 year c'ld Julie i:rrrchill-. irtere 'nre no fangs or diecernable bald patches, .iBlrriiiell , you get useci to it. Tt is a tsUISI-JESS a f ter a1L 1 f ecord conipenies, l_ilce *nI_colnpanyl af,e afounrl ta make illon€,yr to sell produc t , you can t t blnme thern for doing that.'l tt$eLL procluctrt- seems g- pretty l*impish opinion from sorneone who cla ims to vra.nt fo destroy the star t.rorshippins scheme of things. x8 "But hasn t t .rocli I n I robl go t any niore ryeaning than th,* t ? r t knoll , crea ti;i ty , indipendance I El.rtistic expression, n venting of feelings blah, b1ah..

Tony Parsons clipped lissex shunts into the fray.

TP:rtYeah, of courser.but thatrs a very priveJ"edged view. Bveryone has sot to ha ve money to survive r no rna. t ter horr independn nt anyone is , they should,n I t critisise sorneone purely I cos, they ',r&rt to get some. rt f,-pan you hcnestly say yourve never written soneone off just to caus€ a bit of sensatibnalisrn to further your ot n o

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evefr I dontt pre*judn* rrlrrr-,rle" ftrs just that r donrt hel-i*r* in hcnouringl Ileoples reput,- ti,-,11s r l" jr:*t *it ,i611.,,11 and write the truth. l lot or ,--,enple ,:lcnrl lilte the tru th , hrrt r. c$uldn r t ,Eiv* -q Cenn ,rboirt thcse Lr€o|:-1.e. rl JB:'t:'.ie just cl.*nrt see the .poir:t of hein,g so llolite *nd ,qenerolts to ,snme c:,f people uhen they clr;nr! cieserve it. these rjome of these 'rsc]: star$ r "brea t :re{:ple l ilte nhit just 1:ec,,dt fi* th*y hrve p r:o11 _1ilee reilutation' irre just ig_Irire their *,frst things ancl trea t ther,,: ll *"crd in91;g. rf peopre clon t t agr*e then they can cone to their nlrn opinions, ilrey eloir r t hr r/€ to t*ke .ny nctice of us.', x;' so )rou r ve never {ione - il.d rrret Fiomerne tr'ittr the intentic,n of c-1,_,fp;1 hetchel_5oU

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talking '.bout. y f t<now, t clon't iiii" ;;; tubes imager &nd f on15, like tvro ilubes songs, llthite.punl<s & Donrt touch !-ile there) Uut r{e got on fine despite -ij- ot that- -here 4.re lots of tinel thnt 'hen sort of thing happens.tt l- .;hat do you see :16 being the role of the rnusic ryriter ?

JB: ...\11 t{e do is 1et'l;id$ }cnow .,..,.h.t is going on, and give r:ur c.pinions on it. f t.s up tc them to check them out.,, .f,- Are the rumours of pa.ycla true?

Ty:ttt\ot rea_Llyr.if .a rvriter rrss rnu$ enou_ gh to tal<e bribes then he d soon be out of trork. Things li}<e tha,t gct around in this buisness, his r+riting i.r,'ur.rl. be 'urcrth nothing to anycne. rtfs not a big problem or r.nything.i: J(- Have you person:J.ly got many friends who are musicians?

TP:tfNot mn-ny, a few. like T was chatting wi.th tro€ the other day, we ve been frieia -1y for a l_ong. tiner and I rtrasltrt sure hovr he'd react ,to rneeting me again a:fter ild said rvhat r think of the ciastr nor.+acl... ays in the pajler. ,.ilfvrrf , t{e still Sot on o.k. Hef s a selu.ible sort of bloj<e, Strummer, he realises what I ,gride about ,oeo_ ples stuff isn t personal.rr JB: ;i.rugt cos lre havrnlt got nany rock_ star friends dosf art ureajr, anything. 1./e dontt have rary friends anytray. Tir.tf s how r,{e like it. ,,'e just hav€- a snal1 circle of good friends from cutside of the busine66. Ve donrt go in for the Ui6 social cirbuit thing at all.,' X- Do you ever go out: and see g"o,rps f or your ohrn anusement ?

TPs ..nard1y everr ro. f don't think going to see a gig is al.l . that good any .hrayr Xou canrt see fuck al1. fbe beet BlSs Itve seen were the early ones at the Hoxy, i;e used, to go a lot before it , ,bccanrc rubbish.lt X- tave you no friende. lvho are .writers ? dB : tln here : tt ( Stre looke a.round the office at the zeal-ous scribee bashing their battered typewnitere ) rrl{ot ,""i. lbey thlnk we sboul d do more of the eort of things they do, vre're not rea_ - lly part 'of if.ir big happy family thing at aII. t' TP: "ItrB just a ;,iU to uso lf the editof 'sks ua to go to Glasgon 5r sonewhere io cover a Big or eonething and ;

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Generally, ,rnusici-ns r (none of whone hranrt.to take a job on th;-n.fir.e.) tant critisism to be mJre consrtctive and specific.

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free recrs kiLnht9ff, d I & f liana' where amount t hnir orde, luneheer Farty iavitations It' telr,1 ry gems ). It sold ?"5 r|o0 cc,p ies and buienese trips. rrltre the easiest job in the world'i be fo)re,b ein61 dis*continued. Leatri nE! the rnd, er to wa ste his dubious ta -! ente offere Es. ;urclill-- whord argue? bo v woond X- What would you be doing if you tf (}:rkiin n$ r$ in a gin distill. ery and th e wer'nrt in tbis Job? ten tioned dockyard. :rh€r r in 1-, te af OT:ernrnen ,7 6,,hhe JB: "Probab1y down the till of the .e nftsl{€red en ad in the B.m. €. as kiLngsf locn I Co-vp. rf ;f or ttgunslingers", as did J ulie i:lu:rc:hi .11 (tfren a r,"lere 16 year- old j el'ri sh Tony reakois herd still be on the i11 sc holcIlei dockyard. ,gi r1 in bear.i ti ful downtown n ris tol- ) re st is history, IE th )t- g; it'e Juat an eacape then? 'd id you vrrite I Johnny t ? x- jhyyd I woultlntt of thought it was rauch TP 3tl j:'1 ,ut o ( tfre publishers ) came a I ong end lut fun writiug about otber peopLe a1L rg.

11S to 1."'ri te R book. rd. 11S ke your life. ire thou sht it uL be worthwhil"e., . so r,:,'€ d,id. " lfP: ttthat I a probabl-y right. rt'e *a x- r:t wa s bil"led a6 "the obituary of rock opportunity for ue to write r trhicb tn rr:ollL" ,f- " and. you s)"ag,Sed off paact j. ca 1"1 y we both wanted to do, aad got pald iI1ts in it.., ev er one Itfs' ')to for it at the eane tLme. nr J] t'ha t book t"rt s an r'ttempt tn d e ntrcy rnost important not the certainly s0tme)oof those niyths ttrn t $r.rrrar*ned tho ne thing in tbe world for uB. rtrs juet good fob a couple of yeare. pe,o ',1ee, r il.d this buisness, ''re ius t i-94::ore d thhe rlrlss thettve been carried f'l:if r":Ugh rhatte why ve quit. $erre Just a fr or1it thee t 60s , seyin g ttr* t r*ck,q ta rs bit pieecd off rvitb the routine. sh,ourlddb p e talten serir:r;sl;r an* lcok ed up to.tt r:r,- What a.re you going to do now?

TP: rrA filn. TbaneE approached us r*tth the idea I but when theY heard what we r*anted to do on the technicaL side they backed out. lre went to the ts.s.(r. with tbe idea .,,nd they welconed it with opcn artns. They've got an arny of techniciane dYing to have their rbilitiee put to use. fbey're lookiag upon it ae a ehalleage.

X- Did you get in e.ny trouhle bece-use of it'rtre going to be the best proggramme fP: rt0h Ssah. llondies il,inlra.gementt the on rock ever. .4LL the other etuff A d'rerts r lit*rm 1 ly dcr"en,r of peoFle t]:rr€n tabout rrtusic oD t.v. ie uatered*down ehit. l','erve got a r*hole load of vie- ened, to sue ris r V- rrrhere in cr:uf,t right up to the dr y the book trIn s clue to come out, ual ideas we want to put to use.rl fheytd i'rp?)lieC fc,r Rn injucti,:,n to ,sto.-, it X- *ohat sort of effecte? rrlote rel"€,:serL, being but the judge rul.ed th*t it of eplit-screeni-ng and TP: phorilri orit.

J re*"lly erijoyed coTnnil in* one filn on $o super-impoeing bits of fi'r the evir.lence the cnurt ca se. I thin}.. if want donrt I another. Iots of thlngs rcoE Hriter wasnrt 1td l.i]."e tc' he € l.awysf,.?! t a sone you looee itrlL to te1l *ni e hA t € n ii a t-'''o cke t i'li por!; Lawyer th of a poesibilities lbe -,n inpact. of ite ful- 1 c'f Fp e e,C ? televLsion are end1e66.rr ,*{- faLking of slanCer r Cid ;r il}one 6ctun I ly JB: It$ony and I are narrating itt sue you in th'+ en d ? wcrve got accsess to all- the film ln TF: rr},lo; nncl thnt just Tt]'ovesi th''1 ever:irthe B.B.C. archives, theY've got r'th€f,t"ra r; true. everytbing. h/ut"e getting paid roore thing r,.Fel sa id in the bnoh l? i,.Iotlld.

Con€. r'lise they werve 've for thie tban for anYthing X- !+lhors been the bj.gnent infhtet'rce on cver done. The looney in television your rvri ting ? ie ridiculous, theY juet fl"ing it bombarcl bored ha.cks wLth

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How rnuch longer wil-L P.I.L. have to live in the shadow cast by the PistoLs? They're creating the most incredible raod.ern dance end idiots ere sti.l-l forking out for the conttnuing swindle variations. This is superb r+hite punk disco music, long, dark and proud.

Smash it up r T$E DAI'1NED chis',',ric1( llmost sophietiea-ted. rrore ftve Ehmunds than dAryneil. Ttre captd.in lets rin urith his new found lead and someone fiddles with 0n organ at the back. Sou canrt blane them for trying to rnove on a fraction, fut itris lacks just,'about every thing. 'iop of the pops fo<lder?

You i ve got my number lbe band which makes old rnan rock ntroLl put in his teeth' slip on hie locs and get his first hard-on in years. IIot as good ae the surrmer hi ts t thre e tir-es is too nuch:) but stiLl overflorving vrith ,.iispos,'ble energy. fh.e monochrome set - MoNCcIIR{.r}.i.i silT rough trade r6os sounds dressed up for the r8(-s. If fhe Valvet lJnc']-erground vere frcm the :iest coast the resu-l.ts may have been l-ike this bcpfing dirge. Neverthelesst way better than rilost - rrfrst.ade3eb1,e / you*re depl-crrbLerr - itts al-I fluch "t

lot of fun.

Never I ad nt"ithin Never get nuthin' neither tri th this. i lik',ed i,icldle Tor;ers end evcn lleenege l1r4i'.'.i;:*g, but i{:'' seems the;i t re just conteirt to be :iuni.erlc.nclg ailsll*r to ,r,lhafil 69 , and if that I s true they c:r"n s]'t cvii, i t.

into the open .r FII{ITR,\ ?ICI'I The trouble is, bearrtiful as : etllines voice is t it I s Rever had the inrliviCual charecter of ,tia* uxiâ&#x201A;Źs r and here she seerns to be trying to ncund as smooth and bland lcommercial) as Debbie }Iarrf' rtte an obvious attemqrt tn get airplayr itilC they nay be sucsessful .:"lbUm cUt r {rilcl they iii"i } be sltgseggful. 1lUt bett'ieell yau ernC ne - itf s pot really too ho t, Found out too late - 999 Tbey were good once , bef ore rrFeel ini, alri gh t ' ri th the cre!r tf end atl that er3jl, If yod like 6O year-old punks rn: king lii yer r-t:ld rir,U$iCn ;1,1:ut11 lc:ve this.

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EarcOm is tta comic for the earett, or so the tlg. Itte a 12 incher lads at Faet tel} Kil].ing .Toke *cpr * I{ILLI}fG Jf'KH 'minutes, complete trith a lasting 2A odd Iialici$us *te$e comic and a F,osterr aJ-I for just over ? quid. the idea is to get recorded stuff A debut ten*inch €.Pr frorr: a out from bands too youn6 to Se t a bona b,* nd thn t n re a c 9mpl e tlY unknown f ide contrac t r and. to supply you r+ith s que.ntity to ff!€. Very T,yd'oil-1i1ce much information about then a"s posniblet scr#-tchings r scrnpings t n-nd thin6s as cheaply aF possible. A rnore '.',iorthwhile ttra t g* bump nor,r and # Sh,in. A gimmic you l*ron I t f ind anywhere. It I s gaoci debut :i c tun 11y. S Fpbllody about time independant label-s investi$*- ted John T-:eel h;.*"e st*-rted to e"rently a fellr aLternetivee to the *.ctual use end pl"ay this enC Tiroriiises lr session f ormat of the vinyl . Hopefully this is sosn r sCI :tc) cloubt tlre;r | 11 be just the be6,i nni 3S. Joy Sivisiorl r probably hip and in the F,ounds altsrnntive the best ltaown of this brrnch, were & bit che rt by x*-Irts.s r of a. let-d.o\.ln to ffi€. Suto-stlggesti'or: trsugUgi-y }"ian seethes aLons anid a mass cf vausely gestedtt sounds and snippets of speeded-'up tape ( playins backwards ?) . It h* s the Liark Fe*;,rs *H*:fi-rl3:"11** . game fl,llellity of ctillne$S fi.s i',As i:oseesed .$emi-csncir:Hs rrintg sl:at c'ut by the Doof,s I building ta ttre enevit,=ble over tinn*y pian* anrS. r*,*nic clinnax a t the end, , bui somehr:w it d,$sen ' t gu i- tar :rr: is€ . ,t n ntheri' f *r quite i+ork. From Saf ety to wher€ ' . . ? is th*"se *f us t,ih* feel evffir:ithing ; slightl,y upbeat ktnltz of the undecided. is tr-t:ong trith the lv"i,r3d ' I Tlrur*Aays t Perfeetion is s.k. , but they {:entirnepit*: ; br: t T waul-dn t t th* love set theinselves apart r'rith the beet and, Yet t- no,ther Sf *tlT.' to buy it, most bizarre version of the old *tie *u t f r-:'r thc: | ' tch Red,ding ge& ,gitting in the dock o f the Nuc J.ear -levic e * TIl:i i-:TRE I'lfiI,5RS bay. It eounde like tlre Velvets c irca Loaded, loose and slurr€d. ?his alone makes $orry, thi* wa tered*d-ctsn "$atSgy it eIl worthwhile. lguscraxr from Cleveland af & record dt]s,tntt bel*ng here. (not Ow-hi*yow, Teesidei. Corning from there 1* ds ' Try Time *ut *t€alls they t re probably Roxy L'rusic fEtns r it certainly sounAe it. Their barely controlled Col* cuts i *-e - $TIV I3ATGRS hysteria shows their ycuth, and it I s good to ?hi s is tha t itew York *u'Po?Fnu' $ee bands like this getting a break. il'i:ey the Ile=d Hoyn "inf t it? G*t eertainly donrt let therfiselvee down. etabbec t* de*th or ssElethingq A ltogetlrer I Bf eat value for mcney r great dic?ntt he? ; Thrtrs rigEht" enob value'tfo, I-Jatch all these three banels, Hessase to You RudY - THe ':Pst'*l r'S the fn bul,oris eequel G i ER]I il'Btl u

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Danger stranger, you r d better 3:aint yer fac€. r Itfs all a, see-y&-later situation it t s all "I must go buy a clrink', it I s all looking for my friends -the peopl-e f was supposed to meet* And t go buy my drink and, I stand against the urall -we aII stand a gB.inst the w6l1lAnd this pla c e is so sa d tcos we rre all losers losing heart and 1osing friend s it dosrnrt rnatter "no feelingstr.. rf Brtlee{ber?

But Jbhnny didn I t mean ttra t I know what ,l-ohnny rile*.nt Johnny had his head screwed on -but not llowLike a 1l of ua doomeg to die *''like rrall fLowerg :,n glorif ied opert houaes waiting for friends who'11 never a.rrive ;_uet 'lLke t|" good times. o , '

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Itrs a lot lii;e th*tr the lt{nsic iiachine. ?'tYealr , J wro te thn t ages a go , a Il, these ,''."runks were jue t boi=:pin I around trying to I ook contented r, Ild in control, ttl{6 feelingst' was on.

Tt just seelied ft bit ironic at the time" It c:' It be rref y s:= d, , th,* t pl" c € . rt fha t poern 1 Rlong with hundrea ds cf others, will probably never see the light of dny.

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It gives me a Eense of panic to workl to leave rny mark on the world before I go. I just vrite things as they comerdor*n in me Little book. frve got Loads of stuff at hone.rr Q; Ie it theraputic?

PF:rtYeah, I 6uppo6e it is, after lrve got it down on pap6r I feel contented for a while, glad itrs out of my systen. Maybe everyone should d.o it.ft QiAre you 46 paranoid as a lot of your stuff suggests?

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Se grins. I recaLl the sentinent. The rock,n,roll (freak/ ahow is rnade up aLmost entirely of teenage rejects. Towneend, tsowie , Dury, Botteu... ttHello, Itm a reject, all" of fHIS.'' (He Sestures does one arm han$ down . longer : r' "uptimismT Rejectrl Xou're very independant then?

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the few things that f do believe in, indipendF!rrc€.

You've got to be .os indip.endant rs possible. I mean, any origion.l thoughts ycu brv€ come from you being .n individual. Mine do, I hope Itd tit<e to be r.e independdnt as possible.ff How' ie independance poesibl-e nowadaXs r itper"sona 1 polities?rf rll gui:pose it t s tli,'t, yes.

I tbink people shr:ulC. h*ve far rriore freeclon when it comes to p;uiding their own lives, they shouLd make decisions for' thensel',;es a bit more. I ihink pp,rty. ;io3-itics is e johe, it ' s doned. sandles oa grubby, b^re unbelieveable, just think of that e.l"ection. " feet. -r'l/ictin of their lack.

I Doa I t f olLor'; l-e-, ders t of feelingp/victim of their r rR.9.I' I ao easy t* sprn-.i on lack of brains.rt You know the undergroundr so hard to the feelLng? Eers a naturaL rut into action. Itte hip noving target. to stand there sloganising if yourve got a guitar in Eave you been picked on a lot? ycur hand,. ttl suppose r bave, yeah. nll the time at school. ,lt's not so Qttluet how comdrtted are you do you etand? nuch getting beaten up or anYth where rfl for e.nything that staad -ing though, so much ns being wiLl instigate some dort of treated differentl-Y fron other gioing to change. not Irm peopler r Euppose it stenned or Thatcher something Ehoot fron rny size" I was alwaYo wish soneoae wculd I though ah'atre of being different floq I do uhat beLieve in sin6 I an early age. It's Lao,e of r,ai,age real}yl i nean, r didn'$ I would.nrt do it otherrrise. cven kaow if ny parents liked ne Like, if there gg.€. c revolor notr it took ne ye re to work ution br scinethingr then that oae o,ut. weLl, X finnall"y what came e.fter it h s gr:t to be nore interesting th*n Gatre tr; the cecision that if r i

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prrtlcular deetiny r and to take a nore po6otivc rolo ia' their ordn d,estiny, then that I e 8ot to be good. Youfve got to anash things dora before you can build a bravr new uorld or vha tgYor. tf Do you think a revolutio$ will happen here?

Ql trl doart kaou, I hope Bor otherwise lrn waste tng nJr tine. f ntght aa rell be churning out stuff like Rod Stewart or soneone. No change la golag to halpen overnight.?1 Qt So you thtnk'you catr u6o music to instlgate pol.tttca I chaage ? rUcllr BB I eaidr Xou ca! use it to make rem thiak, pcrhape nake then aak thenselves queetLoas. Tbc reet ie up to then. I nean, itte obvl.ous trhe effect things like ttAnarchytt had oD pcople. Uhen tbat cane out I rushed, out and got tbat r I uented to be in on aaything like tha t tbatl Punk shored how diasatiefied people were rlth thinga, not Juqt nusic, but everything. " It opeaed up a uhole lot of-doore for you. nlcehi'tbat crploaion at the beggining really orottcd lcr cyeryone eeened to be doing sometLdagr I uaa goiag out and seeing b'nds agal4, ullcb. I hednf t done for Jrearsr ard I was meeting I lot of pcopl.e who thought like ure r So f thoulIt I atght a6 uelI get up and play tbern my tolttr rhlch I rouldaf t have dreaned of doing brfors. lnSrusy, l, trae ln thie awfuL bandr and,. r11' tbo rcst ranted to play old Stones things efi crap ll&c that r s9 I left and went out on tt outao I rrally feel a part of that movementr lt plaaca rc ott rhea pebple Bay that I have ffSllg to do rtth it. Tba uhole cllnate waa cid cf clu6c, it uas rea1ly encouragiag, rrd t li.Iod e lot of rbat urt goiag on and being said nllr ,by Jolnny Bottcn and people.tt tot lh{ i;bc taac backgrouad.

- t&CI| 'I,ydoa? Ob ycab r Catbolic granner schooL afd el} tbat Iot. n ["iis brougbt up in that environeat ;;-t;-tfr; *lcl to[ tblat aad agk queatione a bit earlier

nrtt tle* lI rtlpt c!. lt doca. It I e an obvioue thing to pick llp elr trrrTtll,agre Gratrcrated r all theee peopl,e tafll.;3 tou tberc gtorica and thinga r Lt 's a btt ,btl .to taho ttLaotq Itf e natural to aek qucstions, brt tollft rnppoacd to elt back and accept it all.

I ttlrl. tt nkm'you a blt aore rcbelloug . 'I found lt rXl'itr;l'tally unbcll.cvablo- I do beltcvc that O?fffiIr ot rorctblng la arouad aonswherG. It etrikes a sc{-f i _|tfffi. lo rt lf tt t a ltke eoncthing fronne werc ffi. fltt tbcar thlaga uatching uB like llveg.

If n not sutre if I Cc tfu trlly, t3ldlag our llll ttrt ldee tbou6fr 'lt nakeg uE out to be Ot rouf.tblagr t dontt rant to be anybodl'cg ffib trynntt r 'aycr trlcd acckl,ng the an6w€rs to thoee W; til cEtttlolrt t; {idr I qlltt !t. tbc pol.nt rcaIly' I Gatrtt understrrl r11 tfrar proPlc gottlag into tbeee religloas and ehu!_tlng , ' r$l tb1r6rr.llkr ,proplc golng a_wfl f! all- seems ,W|ulht4elfrt 111 rcnaatirlci and thingcr nc' r havc thougbt or booking Eliilili-Af.t."t, lo

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I canrt eettle down. I like the inetant re.ction you get at gige, vhich you obviouely don't get in a little roon, and things I do tend to cone out aE being a bit cold and glippantq but Irn getting' over that problen now lcos frve got mysetf a good tape recorder and t hope to experinent with that, so things

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t-Ihich L ed. to y,our play at the floyal CourtttYeah, t&tbytalkt. It Has pretty $or:d that. $ome bloke ju'st a sl'ed me to rr'rite A plaY r s0 I did , T,'Je got a I oa d of youn$; kids t0 act in it And sort of invent their o1':n char ic ters. TheY were tletY

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sort of hiberllzting for a While, tlell f fm I10W On. stBrt ing tc.r eig I b it lYou rneln yourll n.?ke expernowr Trm doing rflore imental music | .uro Fitz? nNo. Itm not really that guite A fetr gigs nrornd. the country CIn riy olr,rll' t interested in that sort and s$me proba blY on borete. of thing, not renough to do the Fenetration teur' it myself anyway. I nean l.f l-1 f ftf s true to say Bolrie was Nothing t s redrl 1Y'$orted an inf luenc e then . record tbinge to see their effectl and get used to being ilI like him a lot. I suppose out dt the rnoment 'cos Ilm r'rithout I contract he was the nearest I ever recorded, nrybe even juet r, I rsa. f igure. hero to had a . t the mom€rlt. !' record all my stuff there.', ie tha t ?

Back to your imngel donrt lIy admire his klriting abil- 'tl,Jhy riJf,rs just that liiy ity, I respect him f or wtrat you bl.ame the {rre6s for it? con tra c t with PaIYdcr trto an extent. They never hets done. I didntt like lout , anel theY I re tf Lodger?f at f irnt thou$h t ran me aek anything interesting, t but it s grown on me rotro tle hqmiqs and harinfi al:*ut theyrre very predictabl-e and f 9.rfi9,to'ing it " didntt have a lat to saY on obviouB. rl re yotl g'-:,ing to go bn ci: tr reeentthose Capital things f I feel guilty as f ask the Srnelf irionder ? with disea bit was a ly though r I next (obvious) guestion. tl the r.rhol-e ;m int 0f *pointed.

"1,{e11 Then why ilo lt? to trolYdc,r bras ne.fioing Hen h/ith tfWell, I euppose it sticks vlere invclved r You \ of l'Icrk ( lot pitt a Bov,rie$ to nn&nn f irst Set Ser By name in the paperr the ii)heY thet5. f ror: cnreer. abray on in In earlier Your on3-y other time I nentioned crf f I'Jith it pissed 1.,r€]'.€ ome t c thn about? did I{ovr is when I get slagged. off in trWell , be ing rea 1IY n+ iv€ r It,e bnly tsete ( Stennet ) the review section. I doart and his r+ife r3oing it -1. just tlrote to him " rld let it bother me'l tc sort of helP People asked him to be mY lTlane.ger. (r tnin* he doee) out rr..itfs just that I donrt A bitr nnd When T I thou6ht If d be whisliecl selling qu:-te I btarted away and be made an ovef,like to be judgect by their tlie:r 8c't i.lf records 1o t llY night star ! I ron u6ual stanfurrds, which are extra I the with up fed easY. that thousht it d be alwaJre the sane. Irdant to d. wnrkLoa a rne helpecl i r1rwaf, I Ken make stand:.rds of mY owrl.rt r-You dicl- gigr'; in Trel.a nrl Iot. He susgested that I ' He rounds his conments off rec ently"d idtt t t You : to l esscns singing take by concluding ttYeah, 9olYdor lilte ne tfon the vrhole, journalistic i.mprove rny c onf idenc € r and ther€o T was met dt the I did and he got rne inter quality is niL.tl ' A irPcrt b]' th e chn irn'n ested in the thea tre and Now you 6ee why Patrik Fitzr n nd given a ri de in thi s things whichIt I d, never gerald is the dgrling of the ' preea. Back to the beat. thought of . play people I fhe ParafWhen noid Wardr they alweye seem to say...(he cuts in) nI bet they eay Cruel-lest Crine sounds l"ike Eowie!rl Yee, Huaky Dory actually. r(Be laughe ) trReally? HeLl tbi.tre funny rcoe'thatr6 one of the few Bowie 1.p.ts I . 3iott got. I suppoee itrs should rapidLy inprove froo

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The gigs were good though, except in Dub1in thebe punks uere trying to be like relfast punks and had a bloody great fight uith these Catho1ics, and = bloke r,as stabbed, which wasnrt very nice. fhe ironic thing wae they didn't know I vras CathoLicl I origicnally went there nith the intenticn of doing a Roots thing, yrknow, finding your ancestors, but they were al1 dead so.I didn,t

bother! rl (,{:Are ;rou going to do any more poetry books?

Itt donrt know. I did the first one rcos the people at ?.II.A.P. (fower ltanlets Arts Projecti are friends of nine, and itrs a sor.t of good East Bnd caurie yrknow. ! may do a songbook, reos loade of people write to me acking'for copies of ny songs to playl and I spend r*eeks writin6 the ihings down, which is difficult rcos I canrt write nusic.

Q: Eave you got a lot of ngw na teria 1 ?

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writing a lot lately becauee Irve been coasideriag retiering. Irm not sure if what lrn ''doing ie that worthwhiLe anyntore. irve been re-eva1uing everything. lrn aleo pissed off with the record industry side of it. Ird like to write a song and bave it : out straight awa.Xr but the whole proceaa takes too 1on6, and by the time sonethingrs out Ifve f,orgottea about it.

I like the instant reation that nueic is suppoeed to have, if I didn't rrant' that *rd probably just rritE atories and. poenE.tl At first l though this retirrment tling was juet a quoteable ploy, but it does aeem . tha't Patrik is, serioueS-y thinking abott bis role in the

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That didn I t help na tter$. " Are you going to move ? ?rf doubt it, I live here and in sorire ways it t s great, itrs my home after aLl, not that I feel- at alL patriotic about it.

I wouldn't mind Living on the rsle af Wight thou{iht tt Do you feeJ- hemmed in? tVet'g much so r f In typecast aB a muaician here, I consider myself nore of F. writer than a music in n.

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Just scratching the surfrc€. f ts,r uniting gloonier songs now, Jf$ not woruied that theyr 16 gS.oony r ' cos they r re more important than the old stuff. rtm Just tryins to pinpoint trhat I s blrong uith the schenne of things r using short, acoustic pop sorgsorf r It souneis lilte .Jac quee ;:reI' ttHa I I really like him. I got an alburn r:f his in France which is reeLllY piood. VerY r.rei.rd sort of caberet stuff.

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, maybe ItlL use the Honey I get from the tour to get some studio time and d,o a few things.

I t m no t sure Er t the fiionlent. irhat I may do is do a few catchy one6 tha t I Ll- Se t Eie in the

charts, then I can do t I like af ter it. i: need noney a t the lronlen t. tt rt t least he t s honest. I hope that he dostntt need to resort to radio fodder to get Fome more recogni* tion, it r-rould be a wa ste.

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doee 1 I do befieve that as lopg "r F threre is room for sqme honesty in this I buisnessf that relye on its half-truths and fleeting images for its fast buck r then th€re is room f or patrik Fitzgerald. ttHhatever happetrB r I t11 never sell many rec -nrds in rny care€fr I d,onf t expect to, thatts not why ltm doing a 11 this. ,$o long p 6 some people listen it I s alright. tr *I suptiose so l"Jetrie out on the street now, interview over, I have a parting shot. I ask hin ttrha t he thinks of the compo

a-risons made between him 8Johnny Ol-arke. trThere I s no comparison. He

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Cr"rinS; - i'lhat h,:rve ]rou been -i e I-Y le t er e r o r.JI?. ca rrUF 'till recently Jtve been plrrying drurns f cr the Lemon ni ttens from xeed ingr rlos I ttanted tc Set int* other things , li}<e ba cking .iruople e nc tha t. $nytiay , tha t f ell through cos they vrere f uckin t me i: bout a bi t. I was go ing out to lt€ac].in$ f cr rehersals and th ey r.,7€r ' n . t e ven, turn it: f'- up J- i].i€ . orr t nol{ I I re d c infi thing,: i'ri th ,=on e other pecrle, like e uibing p,i:rt tuo.

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