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L313E1E Vol. 81, No. 39
Central State University, Edmond, Oklahoma
February 24, 1983
Herman crusades for freedom
Labor Camp prisoner relates stor By Donald D. DeVault and Barbara A. Boatman Editors
"I knew that someday I would be free," stated Victor Herman as he related his experience in the Soviet Union, Wednesday night in the U.C. Ballroom. Herman was a former prisoner in Stalin's system of forced labor camps from 1938 to 1948, when he was later paroled to Siberia and then banished to the Artic Circle, because of his illegal marriage to his Russian wife, Galina, which was against the terms of his parole. "It was much harsher for Americans to believe the Soviet conditions seen through the American embassy. They just couldn't figure out how to make it look worse," stated Herman. According to Herman, in 1931, the Ford Motor Company and 11 other American companies were building factories and teaching Russian workers how to build airplanes and make better metals and tractors, because Russia was considered a poor country, moneywise and lifewise. However, it (USSR) was very rich in minerals which were underground in Siberia. "It seemed to be a great new market (for American business). In that bleak year of the depression, no one knew what communism really was, or what it would become," said Herman. "This was another country, another system that needed our help and we certainly needed whatever money they would be able to pay us to get out of our depression. "I don't really blame certain people that invested a lot of money. Others invested too much of the American tax money and never got a penny out of it (Soviet Union). They (Americans) would go broke today if they'd stop supporting the Soviet Union, thinking that someday they'll get something back—like Rockerfeller, who has the Chase Manhattan Bank in Moscow," commented Herman. He explained that Rockerfeller's loans helped build their (USSR) military, unknown to Rockerfeller, American bankers and investors. He further explained that Rockerfeller gave them loans that seemed like a dream to Americans.
"Any money they (USSR) asked for was at six percent and they had to pay out within thirty years. They didn't pay out in the last thirty years so they asked for another thirty years, Rockerfeller agreed. They'll (Americans) never get their money back. He (Rockerfeller) was investing heavily." The United States and the western countries saw ways for free enterprise to sell their products. "We were their scapegoat sent by the Ford Motor Company to help build the factory, place the machine tools where they were suppose to be and teach the Russians how to build `Model-A' Ford cars." According to Herman, the industrialization period was a fiveyear-plan that was called the Fordalization of Russia. "Everyone (in the Soviet Union) knew who Ford was, but they didn't know the President of the United States. But, Americans considered Harry Ford I an anticommunist. In his autobiography, he stated that anything the communist would ask for, he would be glad to give them free of charge. That doesn't sound very anti-communist to me, but then what did he know about politics?" Herman met several people before his "false" arrest.
"I met a general that was interested in me, because I didn't
drink several toasts of Vodka to the great Stalin and other leaders." said Herman. "He asked me why I wasn't drinking, and I said, 'because where I come from, we have dry laws.' He ask-
ed me if I was an American and I said, 'yes.' "Then he asked me what kind of airplane I could fly. I said, 'I couldn't fly an airplane.' He didn't believe me, and said, 'you can drive a car, so you must be able to fly a plane!'
Vista photo by Craig Clark
Victor Herman, a former prisoner of Stalin's system of forced labor camps for ten years, recounted the harsh life he lived in the Soviet Union to a large crowd of Edmondites and students Wednesday night in the University Center's Ball Room.
"He (the young general, 26-years-old) was second in rank in the Red Army, and he asked me if I would like to learn how to fly. I said, 'yes,' even though he didn't think or know that I was an American citizen." Herman finished a three-year Russian flying school, which was considered the "best" in the Soviet Union, in one year because he had gone to a technical high school in Detroit. "It was as good as any they had there, or any of the colleges at that time," said Herman. He was allowed the freedom of the airport at any time of the day and fly any plane he wanted to. "I flew all the German models and Russian models at that time, and then I flew the trophy planes they had (WW I planes)." At the age of 19, Herman found an American parachute in a hangar and taught himself to parachute jump without any professional training. He was allowed to jump at his leisure. "They asked me to jump at Aviation Day (Aug. 19, 1934), one of their great holidays, but that day I was not allowed, because I planned to break the world's record and they thought something might happen," said
Herman. But on the sixth of September, at the age of 19, Herman jumped Continued to page 3
University waits for 'green light' on doctorate program By Larry Miller Capital Bureau Reporter
It will be September or October before CSU officials learn if its first doctoral program will get the green light for the 1983-84 academic term. President Bill Lillard submitted a proposal last week to the Board of Regents for Oklahoma Colleges for a doctorate program in creative writing. Should it be approved, the doctorate program would be only the second funded for the state's six regional universities. Northeastern State University in Tahlequah has a doctorate program in Optometry. "It was an informational presentation and I think it was received very positively," Lillard
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said of Thursday's meeting. not be expensive to implement. He said a formal presentation "You teach writing with a pen would be made to the State Board and paper," he said. "The costs of Regents this summer. More are not prohibitive. We already details need to be worked out, Lillard said. The program would be headed by Dr. Clif Warren, chairman of creative studies. It would be the first of its kind in the southwest. "There is no doctorate of arts program in the southwest," Lillard said. "We would not be duplicating any other program."
have much of the equipment and faculty we want. "We feel it would be a deserved feather in CSU's cap."
Duplication is one of the factors state regents use in determining if a program should be approved. Higher Education Chancellor Joe Leone, a guest at the regents' meeting, said the program—along with a doctorate program submitted by Southwestern State University—was not in the budget for next year. Leone said his office was not in a position to assure the two programs would get a recommendation. Even if the proposal received a positive recommendation from Leone, it would still be contingent upon the amount of funding allocated by the Legislature next year, a regent spokesman said. Lillard said the program would
Vista photo by Glenda Jackson
Two students walk through heavy groundfog that descend
upon the university campus and Oklahoma state Wednesday morning.