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ANNOUNCEMENT: Regarding any defective Automatic Speedways

Ok guys, this is more from me personally at this point, not anything really "official" as of yet. Before I get into this, let me just say that this is BS. You should never have to expect any degree of defects from any Invicta at any price point, but especially not at nearly $1,000 and with such an exotic and highly touted movement. I take this personally because I have dealt with D-D modified movements and have never seen an issue EVER, so knowing this, I excitedly worked all of you up to a fever-pitch over this exotic and expensive movement. Heck, I OWN watches with D-D modified movements that I paid well over $3,000 for that have performed flawlessly for YEARS, so I expected no less, especially given the history of perfection in the auto Speedway lineage. I'm pissed and I'm merely the guy that sells 'em. So I completely undrstand how YOU feel as the ones who BOUGHT them. Eyal is pissed too, let me assure you. He is out of the country right now, but we have talked about this. I'm very certain there will be some loud meetings between him and Dubois-Depraz over this. He has asked me to work closely with Rebecca to get this resolved. Nothing can possibly be done right away because she will not even see the messages until at least Monday. I would expect that within a week, we should have some answers for you. What should we expect? What can be done really except for Invicta to have you send them in (at no charge to you, of this I can assure you personally), and replace/repair as needed. Nothing can be done overnight, so there will be a wait. But really...what else is there that can be done. So this is what I would expect... maybe Rebecca has a better solution... I don't know. Just know that I feel for you, and I totally understand your level of expectation when buying a Reserve Collection time piece, and totally understand your level of frustration about all of this. All I can say is "I'm Sorry" although that means nothing in the grand scheme of things... but as the guy who sells 'em, not makes 'em... it's all I can offer. I offer also to stay on top of this and to help you as best I can as well as assist Eyal as best I can. __________________

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Thats good that you took the intiative to address this... So this looks like a D-D issue and not Invicta? __________________

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Takes a big man to step up for his customers. Hope this gets resolved quickly. Thanks Jim for stepping in. androponic View Public Profile Send a private message to androponic Find all posts by androponic Add androponic to Your Contacts #6 05-21-2010, 03:56 PM

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Thank you, Jim, for stepping up and letting us know Eyal is "in the loop." Appreciate your honesty and candor. Spring Lake Bob View Public Profile Send a private message to Spring Lake Bob Find all posts by Spring Lake Bob Add Spring Lake Bob to Your Contacts #8 05-21-2010, 04:01 PM

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Thanks Jim, you are the MAN ! - of note, I have many Reserve pieces that I am more than pleased with! __________________

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Jim, even though I did not purchase one, I want to thank you for your attention to this. Much appreciated.

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Thank's Jim, at least we know that this is being taken seriously now. Nonchalant View Public Profile Send a private message to Nonchalant Find all posts by Nonchalant Add Nonchalant to Your Contacts #12 05-21-2010, 04:07 PM

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Jim that is very big of you. I do respect you for the response. __________________ Time to Watch as Time Passes Away watchluv

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Thanks Jim. This gives me confidence in ordering this watch. I badly wanted the silvertone and just missed the ttv. Well I'll still buy this even though the price is $1288 + super express delivery. journeyguy View Public Profile Send a private message to journeyguy Find all posts by journeyguy Add journeyguy to Your Contacts #15 05-21-2010, 04:09 PM

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Im glad to see that those with problems will be taken care of and I can understand your frustration as well Jim. Im glad to see the problem being addressed quickly and right. __________________ Big Denny In T-Town

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Originally Posted by Swolletime Thats good that you took the intiative to address this... So this looks like a D-D issue and not Invicta? Both in my mind. DD are the ones who modified the movements and sent them completed to Invicta as I understand it, but Invicta QC should have caught the problems in the movements upon final inspection. Kahuna Cowboy View Public Profile Send a private message to Kahuna Cowboy Send email to Kahuna Cowboy Find all posts by Kahuna Cowboy Add Kahuna Cowboy to Your Contacts #17 05-21-2010, 04:10 PM Join Date: May 2010 Location: KC Posts: 29

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Thanks Jim! __________________

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On a side note, Jim thank you for spear heading this. Kahuna Cowboy View Public Profile Send a private message to Kahuna Cowboy Send email to Kahuna Cowboy

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JIm Skelton MY MAN...............Thanks. Well Mine well be here Tomorrow but i wont be in Town till Next Friday Aquagal will have to check it for me because the curiousity will be killing me I believe that perhaps those on WG bought 100 between the 3 designs so im thinking maybe 10% defective Hope mine isnt one of them So Im excited, nervous, apprehensive, hopeful...............over a watch Yes Im a WATCH GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK __________________

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It's nice to see Eyal is involved. This matter shouldn't cost the watch owner a penny to get this matter corrected. If the only problem is misaligned hands it shouldn't be a major deal to correct. But if Invicta ships the watch to Switzerland for repair could take weeks or maybe months to get the watch back. The solution to this problem is to reduce the turn around time to less than a month. __________________

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I couldn't get one but have read the posts regarding the problem. All I can say is way to go Jim. other than Jim who do you know on a TV show that would go this far. I don't know what else you could expect from him but he will not let this go unaddressed. Is there anyway this could of happened from the way UPS handles the packages. I think this is why myself and others here keep buying from Jim. Hes the man. If I could have purchased one I would work with Rebecca which has done me right every time I've needed her, to get this very special watch fixed. I do understand how the ones that got a broken one must feel but knowing Jims on it should help you feel better. reserveman View Public Profile Send a private message to reserveman Send email to reserveman Find all posts by reserveman Add reserveman to Your Contacts #24 05-21-2010, 04:16 PM

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Thanks for the HU and letting us know there's hope for us who were thrilled on the release of these watches! I have a Silver & Two-tone showing delv on Monday and to say the least this is the first time I've had the premonition of doom hanging over me! Please keep us updated on what we should do if they can be corrected I don't want to send back as I still think these are awesome watches! Krazy View Public Profile Send a private message to Krazy Find all posts by Krazy Add Krazy to Your Contacts #25 05-21-2010, 04:17 PM

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Your attention to this matter is what keeps me buying watches from you Jim. You are a class act all the way. I'm sure that everyone that has an issue will be taken care of by Invicta. Thanks for the update. JJmoto View Public Profile Send a private message to JJmoto Find all posts by JJmoto Add JJmoto to Your Contacts #27 05-21-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Swolletime Thats good that you took the intiative to address this... So this looks like a D-D issue and not Invicta? Correct assement if the final inspection before made avalable for sale, was carried out by Dubois-Depraz IMO. surfer2278 View Public Profile Send a private message to surfer2278 Find all posts by surfer2278 Add surfer2278 to Your Contacts #28 05-21-2010, 04:19 PM

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Thanks for posting this Jim, I don't understand why this would be an issue with DD if Invicta is assembling... could you elaborate? __________________

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Way to step up Jimbo as always we can count on you. __________________

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This is what Customer Service is all about fellow Geeks. Thanks Jim for your role in making things right. __________________

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Guys, it doesn't matter WHO's fault it is, the fact remains that there is an issue, period. I have no idea if it's D-D's fault, Invictas fault, or a forklift operator's fault. IF it were D-D's fault, then Eyal will be screaming at them. If it was Invicta's fault, Eyal will be screaming at whichever dept was at fault... but it will be dealt with. Nothing matters to me except that you guys get good watches. __________________

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now that's what i'm talking about. __________________

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Now that legitimate issues have been addressed, does this mean that the bashing and panic can stop? Thanks Jim! __________________ Keep your crowns screwed down, my friends.

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I knew I liked you for some reason....

besides your personal honor guard of shaved monkeys. I have a dog in this hunt and so far as I can see with my 60 year old presbiopic eyes my DD is fine.Literally just got it. Its great to know you care. Makes me feel like you are one of us. Kudos. Thanks for reinforcing my decision.

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Even if it's D-D fault, didn't Invicta do a final check-off inspection on each watch, with that tiny yellow piece of paper in each box signed by Peter and Tom? Invicta needs to look into this, if they actually inspected these watches for defects they wouldn't have been shipped out in the first place. __________________

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Thanks Jim over and over you prove that you are a stand up guy.You get caught in the middle every time. __________________

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Originally Posted by kingswords besides your personal honor guard of shaved monkeys. I have a dog in this hunt and so far as I can see with my 60 year old presbiopic eyes my DD is fine.Literally just got it. Its great to know you care. Makes me feel like you are one of us. Kudos. Thanks for reinforcing my decision.

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Jim, all I can say is thanks. Mine is also due Monday. Think good thoughts! Again Jim, thanks. JacksBlues

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Invicta reward the early buyers (of which I am not) with a repaired/replaced watch and something (read another quality time piece or coupon) for their aggrevation. Just getting what you paid for at this point is not an appropriate fix. rgmb2 View Public Profile Send a private message to rgmb2 Find all posts by rgmb2 Add rgmb2 to Your Contacts #43 05-21-2010, 04:35 PM Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 33

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I've heard a lot of good things from my buddy Monsterman, about Jim. I guess they're true! . Keep up the good work Jim! __________________

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Originally Posted by jskelton Guys, it doesn't matter WHO's fault it is, the fact remains that there is an issue, period. I have no idea if it's D-D's fault, Invictas fault, or a forklift operator's fault. IF it were D-D's fault, then Eyal will be screaming at them. If it was Invicta's fault, Eyal will be screaming at whichever dept was at fault... but it will be dealt with. Nothing matters to me except that you guys get good watches. This post. It is Eyal's fault as he is the one in charge. Anything else is b.s. I am sure he will own up to it, and make the approrpiate changes but he counted on someone(s) that he shouldn't have and I am confident he won't make that mistake again. rgmb2 View Public Profile Send a private message to rgmb2 Find all posts by rgmb2 Add rgmb2 to Your Contacts #46 05-21-2010, 04:38 PM

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Jim you are a noble man. I didn't purchase 1 but ALL the threads are . I know you are mad cuz you went to bat for invicta but let us vent...u R THE MAN 4 GOING TO BAT 4 OUR MEMBERS AS WELL KUDOS TO YOU __________________

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Jim, Thank you! __________________

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DD does a lot of movements. SWI used them on their Limited Editions with no problems. I just don't think DD did anything wrong with all the High End companies that use them. Doesn't Invicta install the hands on them. I thought DD assembled the movements then ships the batch to Invicta for the to install in their watches. __________________ Time to Watch as Time Passes Away 05-21-2010, 04:55 PM

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My arrived with the hands misaligned. This is greatly disappointing! Whatever the resolution may be, it better be at no cost and with faster than usual Invicta turnaround time.

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Your doing the right thing by stepping up & acknowledging there is a problem somewhere & informing us the customer. I also had problems with the hands alignment & also the date wheel changes @ 1:15am. I received the watch yesterday & returned today & replacement shipped today, so we'll keep our fingers crossed.No.461/800 I took pics on my phone of the hands & also the packing which had no protection there was a 1" play between the brown cardboard box & the white sleeve box/watch box inside. The movement seemd to run like melting butter real smooth, so hope this works out as it can be a real keeper! Quote:

Originally Posted by jskelton Guys, it doesn't matter WHO's fault it is, the fact remains that there s an issue, period. I have no idea if it's D-D's fault, Invictas fault, or a forklift operator's fault. IF it were D-D's fault, then Eyal will be screaming at them. If it was Invicta's fault, Eyal will be screaming at whichever dept was at fault... but it will be dealt with. Nothing matters to me except that you guys get good watches. __________________

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Originally Posted by reserveman I couldn't get one but have read the posts regarding the problem. All I can say is way to go Jim. other than Jim who do you know on a TV show that would go this far. I don't know what else you could expect from him but he will not let this go unaddressed. Is there anyway this could of happened from the way UPS handles the packages. I think this is why myself and others here keep buying from Jim. Hes the man. If I could have purchased one I would work with Rebecca which has done me right every time I've needed her, to get this very special watch fixed. I do understand how the ones that got a broken one must feel but knowing Jims on it should help you feel better. You CLEARLY state here that you could not buy one yet you voted in the poll that you did and it was fault free, what's up with that?????????? __________________

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That's as honest & fair an answer anyone can expect from the guy who just sells them, doesn't make them. Thanks for caring for all those who got beat! Cosmo View Public Profile Send a private message to Cosmo Send email to Cosmo Find all posts by Cosmo Add Cosmo to Your Contacts #56 05-21-2010, 05:06 PM Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 1,048

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Dear Jim S... I think of you like the man who lives in the lighthouse. Solid. Consistant. Keeps the light on, even in stormy weather. Looks out for everyone. That's kinda what your doing. You're helping everyone out on a problem you have no control over. I know in service repair, to change something, you need a ton of pinpoint paperwork to justify extra Quality Assurance labor. How you do a data base on internal watch malfunctions is tedious. But I'll end with a big thank you for adding your help to this matter. __________________ "Don't sweat the small stuff?!? With watches, it's ALL about tiny, important small stuff." Dave B View Public Profile Send a private message to Dave B Send email to Dave B Visit Dave B's homepage! Find all posts by Dave B Add Dave B to Your Contacts #57 05-21-2010, 05:07 PM

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Hi Jim You are still the man, thanks.

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Great job Jim! Glad to see this is being addressed for all those that ordered a Speedway. jawscollector View Public Profile Send a private message to jawscollector Find all posts by jawscollector Add jawscollector to Your Contacts #61 05-21-2010, 05:10 PM

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Mr. Skelton, you are truly first class! R __________________

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Announcement re:Defective Speedways

Jim thank you for going beyound the scope of just selling watches. When the circumstances required a response you were there and have done what only a few have done. That is you have taken the bull by the horns and let everyone know what you are doing to the fullest of your capacity. Again thanks for your Intregrity and just a down to earth great attitute. Lastkey31 lastkey31 View Public Profile Send a private message to lastkey31 Find all posts by lastkey31

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Jim: I'm glad you addressed the problem with these watches. I am looking to find another job right now so I'm not able to even buy any watch in the near future. But this was a great thing to do for those who had the problems. I would have preferred that Eyal would have been the first to acknowledge the screw-up but it's good to know he is involved. This really does taint the reputation of the "Reserve Line" and Invicta in general. The last 2 watches I bought from shop back in March were Stuhrlings only because I know that if there was a problem (which is very rare) it would be resolved quickly without hassle. It's sad that this happened and I'm happy for those who will get the problem taken care of and hopefully in a short period of time. Thank you again for being there for all of us. Oh what about those eople who aren't watchgeeks? I hope they will have the same options also. One more time,Thank you for pursuing this for everyone who received a defective watch. __________________ So many watches, so little time (and money). watchnut62 View Public Profile Send a private message to watchnut62 Find all posts by watchnut62 Add watchnut62 to Your Contacts #67

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I have held off buying new Invicta's for awhile. When I put my feet back in the water and buy an Invicta new again, it will be because of Jim. __________________ Remember, watches are people too. tampa8 View Public Profile Send a private message to tampa8 Find all posts by tampa8 Add tampa8 to Your Contacts #68 05-21-2010, 05:21 PM

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Here's a question for Jim. How about all the guys who rcvd and returned defective watches already? They purchased in good faith and should get another chance now we know theres to be a fix? Krazy View Public Profile Send a private message to Krazy Find all posts by Krazy Add Krazy to Your Contacts #69 05-21-2010, 05:21 PM

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i never saw this movement with so much trouble(as jim so boldly said) i guess i was one of the lucky ones. As far as i can see mine is perfect. So not all were defective! Anyway i'm a fairly new geek, and in my short stay have seen quite a few invicta complaints. Its very big of jim to finally take a stand on this issue,even if he is only the salesman. I hope all works out well for all of those with this problem. Don't bail out on this watch! In its perfect state,its well worth waiting for!!! numiswatchrocker View Public Profile Send a private message to numiswatchrocker

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I did not buy one of these watches. Mainly because I cannot convince to spend $1000 on a watch regardless of the movement. Perhaps I am not a true collector. I do however work as a quality engineer and can say without a doubt the inspector is never responsible for a defect. Quality cannot be inspected into a product...it must be built into a product and visual inspection is 80% efffective at best. That means 20% of the defects built into a product by the person or machine performing the assembly operation will escape if you rely on visual inspection only. Good luck and I hope all the problems are resolved. __________________

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Thank you, Jim, for stepping up on our behalf. You are a man of honor. That is why I only buy watches from your presentations. During your surgery and recovery, my credit card got a much-needed break... My DD Speedway Elite will arrive on Monday. If it is defective, it will be returned for a refund, not a replacement.

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Thanks for your candor, Jim. It has to be a little embarrassing for you to have touted these. Reading your post makes me feel better already, though. Your involvement gives this situation a level of service more like what I would expect from a brick and mortar store. My silvertone won't be in my hands for another week so I don't know if it will have problems or not but it's nice to know someone cares. Thanks, Jim. Steve steverob View Public Profile Send a private message to steverob Send email to steverob Find all posts by steverob Add steverob to Your Contacts #73 05-21-2010, 05:38 PM

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thanks jim.... __________________

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i didnt purchase one but much respect to you jim for standing behind your work and the geeks __________________ Did you see that? Do they all got hedges like that? Do they? MATTNATTI View Public Profile

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Jim, you always do the right thing, have integrity, and do all you can within your power, which is what makes you the one we trust and spend our hard earned dollars with. Invicta is not your company and the Auto Speedway is not your product yet you step out in front and take charge. It's greatly appreciated. __________________ Barry G Fort Lauderdale, FL

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if invicta sends you a brand new $1000 watch defective and you are sending it back to them for repair then you should never come back here and complain if there are any other issues with this watch in the future. jim, to be fair, you should also mention the one other option that you've left out.... bengals View Public Profile Send a private message to bengals Find all posts by bengals Add bengals to Your Contacts #152 http://www.refinanceloans2.com/browse.php?u=Oi8vd2F0Y2hnZWVrcy5uZXQvcmVwb3J0L

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Although I didn't have an issue with my D-D Speedway, I have the Silvertone (301/800) and it is one of the most accurate movements I own. Fast 8 seconds in 72 hours. Chronograph works to the second and minutes. Beautiful Watch. I have 24 Invicta's and the LUME on the Speedway is unbelievable you can see it during the day and the hands glow all night. I really appreciate the post Jim. YOU ARE THE MAN !!!!!!!!!!!! rhendrick15 View Public Profile Send a private message to rhendrick15 Find all posts by rhendrick15 Add rhendrick15 to Your Contacts #154 http://www.refinanceloans2.com/browse.php?u=Oi8vd2F0Y2hnZWVrcy5uZXQvcmVwb3J0L

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Sweet Resolution Like mama always said - squeaky wheel always get the greasin". Too much at stake to ignore the obvious. Though I choose not to purchase this timepiece, as a fellow geek it's good to know someone has your back. Job well done Jim! dhorsfield View Public Profile

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Well said and a true "man up!" Thank you. __________________ They all wound - the last one kills (inscribed below a 15th century clock) Last edited by Hotspur; 05-22-2010 at 08:53 AM. Reason: punctuation Hotspur View Public Profile

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I was unable to make purchase of the DD Speedway because of funds, but I did want the twotone version. I believe it is an Invicta issue and not a DD issue as well.

Eyal needs to be angry with his company's quality control. There is no way these defective watches should have been wrapped, tagged, packaged and shipped if they were properly inspected and not functioning correctly. If I had received one of these and it was defective it would be going back period. Why anyone would keep a product that needs to be repaired upon arrival is astounding to me. Nothing speaks louder to a company than its loyal customers demanding their $$$ back from defective products. This trend will continue as long as customers are ok with the practice of buying these items, keeping them and accepting that it will be repaired. We should be expecting quality products out of the box. Especially at $1k+ and for the way Invicta touts its Reserve line and that includes properly packaging and shipping. It's also amazing to me that Jim is the only one to speak up about this and it's not even his problem. Where are the powers that be to address this. I commend you Jim for putting yourself in the hot seat, but Eyal and/or Michael need to speak up. Even for us that didn't get to purchase this watch. I'm sure there are other Invicta products that are coming... This kind of thing makes me nervous to make future purchases. __________________ Will http://www.refinanceloans2.com/browse.php?u=Oi8vaW1nNjkxLmltYWdlc2hhY2sudXMvaS9 0b3VyYmlsbGlvbnNpZy5qcGcv&b=13&http://www.refinanceloans2.com/browse.php?u=Oi8v aW1nNjkxLmltYWdlc2hhY2sudXMvaS90b3VyYmlsbGlvbnNpZy5qcGcv&b=13 WillP View Public Profile Send a private message to WillP Find all posts by WillP Add WillP to Your Contacts #159 http://www.refinanceloans2.com/browse.php?u=Oi8vd2F0Y2hnZWVrcy5uZXQvcmVwb3J0L

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Hi Jim, We all appreciate your jumping in an making a sincere effort to solve this issue. Like you, I have several high end pieces with custom movements by DD and I have never, ever had even the slightest problem with any of them. I would be very interested in knowing if DD made the entire watch or did they only supply the movements to Invicta and the dial, hands, bracelet,

intallation of movement in the case and final calibrations/inspections were done by another Invicta sub contractor?? Many thanks! Regards, Manny __________________ The Gatekeeper The Gatekeeper View Public Profile Send a private message to The Gatekeeper Find all posts by The Gatekeeper Add The Gatekeeper to Your Contacts #160 http://www.refinanceloans2.com/browse.php?u=Oi8vd2F0Y2hnZWVrcy5uZXQvcmVwb3J0L

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n B o c D 9 1 P T I y M j E % 3 D & b = 1 3 & h t t p : / / w w w . r e f i n a n c e l o a

d i . E r r o r ! H y p e r l i n k r e f e r e n c e n o t v a l i d . & E r r o

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J o i n D a t e : M a

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r c y 5 u Z X Q v b W V t Y m V y L n B o c D 9 1 P T I 0 M D Y % 3 D & b = 1 3 & h t t p :

0 8 R e a l N a m e : J e f f

/ / w w w . r e f i n a n c e l o a n s 2 . c o m / b r o w s e . p h p ? u = O i 8 v d 2 F

0 Y 2 h n Z W V r c y 5 u Z X Q v b W V t Y m V y L n B o c D 9 1 P T I 0 M D Y % 3 D & b =

1 3

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w a v e 3 2 1 4 h t t p : / / w w w . r e f i n a n c e l o a n s 2 . c o m / b r o w s

e . p h p ? u = O i 8 v d 2 F 0 Y 2 h n Z W V r c y 5 u Z X Q v c 2 h v d 3 R o c m V h Z C

5 w a H A % 2 F c D 0 x N j A 1 O D c % 3 D & b = 1 3 p o s t 1 6 0 5 8 7 6

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b r o w s e . p h p ? u = O i 8 v d 2 F 0 Y 2 h n Z W V r c y 5 u Z X Q v c 2 h v d 3 R o c

m V h Z C 5 w a H A % 2 F c D 0 x N j A 1 O D c % 3 D & b = 1 3 p o s t 1 6 0 5 8 7 6

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a n d w e h e r e o n t h e f o r u m r e a l l y d o a p p r e c i a t e

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bn r i oo wr s eM . e pm hb pe ?r u =S Oe i n 8i vo dr 2 FG 0e Ye 2k h n Z W V r c y 5 u Z X Q v b W V t Y m V y L

n d i a n a p o l i s P o s t s : 3 0 1 R e a l N a m e : D a l e

n B o c D 9 1 P T I 1 N j g 5 & b = 1 3 & h t t p : / / w w w . r e f i n a n c e l o a n s

2 . c o m / b r o w s e . p h p ? u = O i 8 v d 2 F 0 Y 2 h n Z W V r c y 5 u Z X Q v b W V

t Y m V y L n B o c D 9 1 P T I 1 N j g 5 & b = 1 3

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. r e f i n a n c e l o a n s 2 . c o m / b r o w s e . p h p ? u = O i 8 v d 2 F 0 Y 2 h n

Z W V r c y 5 u Z X Q v c 2 h v d 3 R o c m V h Z C 5 w a H A % 2 F c D 0 x N j A 2 N T Y %

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h a t s t a k e t o i g n o r e t h e o b v i o u s . T h o u g h I c h o

o s e n o t t o p u r c h a s e t h i s t i m e p i e c e , a s a f e l l o

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S o m e o n e a t I n v i c t a n e e d s t o b e r e p l a c e d . I M O .

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05-22-2010, 09:46 AM

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o c m V h Z C 5 w a H A % 2 F c D 0 x N j A 0 N j A % 3 D & b = 1 3 p o s t 1 6 0 4 6

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t h e C E O s h o u l d b e c h i m i n g i n . A n y w a y I s e n t m i

n e b a c k a n d I w i l l n e v e r l o o k b a c k a t t h i s m o d

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o i n D a t e : J a n 2 0 0 9 L o c a t i o n : L a s V e g a s P o s t s :

v d 2 F 0 Y 2 h n Z W V r c y 5 u Z X Q v b W V t Y m V y L n B o c D 9 1 P T U w O T I % 3

1 , 3 7 5 R e a l N a m e : A . J .

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h p ? u = O i 8 v d 2 F 0 Y 2 h n Z W V r c y 5 u Z X Q v b W V t Y m V y L n B o c D 9 1 P

T U w O T I % 3 D & b = 1 3

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l y P o s t e d b y K a h u n a C o w b o y h t t p : / / w w w . r e f i n a n c

e l o a n s 2 . c o m / b r o w s e . p h p ? u = O i 8 v d 2 F 0 Y 2 h n Z W V r c y 5 u Z

X Q v c 2 h v d 3 R o c m V h Z C 5 w a H A % 2 F c D 0 x N j A 0 N j A % 3 D & b = 1 3 -

p o s t 1 6 0 4 6 0 4

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e l o a n s 2 . c o m / b r o w s e . p h p ? u = O i 8 v d 2 F 0 Y 2 h n Z W V r c y 5 u Z

X Q v c 2 h v d 3 R o c m V h Z C 5 w a H A % 2 F c D 0 x N j A 0 N j A % 3 D & b = 1 3 -

p o s t 1 6 0 4 6 0 4 B o t h i n m y m i n d .

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o v e m e n t s u p o n f i n a l i n s p e c t i o n .

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t a D D p r o b l e m . B u t i n t h e e n d I n v i c t a Q C s h o u

l d h a v e c a u g h t t h e p r o b l e m . _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

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05-22-2010, 09:55 AM h t t pB : i / g / J wo we w . r e

J o i n D a t e : M a

f i n a n c e l o a n s 2 . c o mO / r bi r g oi wn sa el . pP ha ps ?t u =A Om i b 8a vs ds 2a Fd 0o Yr 2 hT nr Zu We V W

r 2 0 0 8 L o c a t i o n : L o n g I s l a n d N e w Y o r k P o s t s : 2

r a ct yc 5h uG Ze Xe Qk v b W V t Y m V y L n B o c D 9 1 P T Q 3 & b = 1 3 & h t t p : / / w w w .

1 , 9 7 7

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W V r c y 5 u Z X Q v b W V t Y m V y L n B o c D 9 1 P T Q 3 & b = 1 3

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the problem for them and trying to help them out.

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J o i n D a t e : M

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a y 2 0 0 8 L o c a t i o n : P A P o s t s : 1 4 , 6 9 2 R e a l N a m e :

V r c y 5 u Z X Q v b W V t Y m V y L n B o c D 9 1 P T I y M j E % 3 D & b = 1 3 & h t t p

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: / / w w w . r e f i n a n c e l o a n s 2 . c o m / b r o w s e . p h p ? u = O i 8 v d 2

n c e n o t v a l i d . & E r r o r ! H y p e r l i n k r e f e r e n c e n o t

F 0 Y 2 h n Z W V r c y 5 u Z X Q v b W V t Y m V y L n B o c D 9 1 P T I y M j E % 3 D & b

v a l i d .

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y n y c r u z a h t t p : / / w w w . r e f i n a n c e l o a n s 2 . c o m / b r o w s

e . p h p ? u = O i 8 v d 2 F 0 Y 2 h n Z W V r c y 5 u Z X Q v c 2 h v d 3 R o c m V h Z C

5 w a H A % 2 F c D 0 x N j A 2 O D U % 3 D & b = 1 3 p o s t 1 6 0 6 8 5 6

h t t p : / / w w w . r e f i n a n c e l o a n s 2 . c o m /

b r o w s e . p h p ? u = O i 8 v d 2 F 0 Y 2 h n Z W V r c y 5 u Z X Q v c 2 h v d 3 R o c

m V h Z C 5 w a H A % 2 F c D 0 x N j A 2 O D U % 3 D & b = 1 3 p o s t 1 6 0 6 8 5 6

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s e . p h p ? u = O i 8 v d 2 F 0 Y 2 h n Z W V r c y 5 u Z X Q v c 2 h v d 3 R o c m V h Z

C 5 w a H A % 2 F c D 0 x N j A 2 M j g % 3 D & b = 1 3 p o s t 1 6 0 6 2 8 8