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How much is a Renato LIMITED EDITON worth to you?

We have recently seen with the T-REX interchangable kit that Renato can sell a high quality watch at an affordable price, if they increase their production RUNS. They sold close to 12000 of these kits at a $199 price. In spite of that success, Renato usually makes more limited runs of 100 or fewer watches in any particular style for which they must charge much more, since production costs are more for smaller runs. Most people who are reading the Renato forum are either owners of Renato watches, or people considering purchasing their first Renato. So how much is Renato Exclusivity worth to you? 1 If you already own a limited RUN Renato, do you knowingly spend that premium just because you feel you have something special that few other watch geeks own? 2 Would you have preferred Renato made more of each watch style so that they could be priced more reasonably; so that you could afford to own more of them; so that others could afford to own even one of them? 3. Do you spend as much as you do for Renato because you just like the watch and feel it is worth what you pay for its inherent quality, not even caring that it is a limited edition that could cost much less if more of them were made?

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Excellent post! Here's my .02 cents... 1. I own four Renatos. I do take some pride in having a LE, but that is not the reason I purchased any of them. 2. Affordability is key. Yes, please make more and bring the price down. I am not talking about Invicta saturation, which drives the value of each piece to next to nothing, but a run of 1000-2500 seems ok for me. 3. I buy Renato because of two things- fit and finish and customer service. Both are tops in the industry. Well, maybe three, I LOVE Renato's use of carbon fiber, also tops in the industry. __________________

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Truthfully, makes ZERO difference to me and I would say zero in after sale. It is a nice novelty and shows a degree of exclusivity, etc. However, for me anyway, I purchase Renato because the fit and finish is top notch and a great value for dollar spent. __________________ "God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy." -Billy Currington watchdude1

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I think Renato being a LE is crucial for their success ... Just i cant justify forking out alot of money for a quartz movement. But, boy Renato sure makes some eyecandy! __________________ http://twitter.com/Chanse503 powerballn503 View Public Profile Send a private message to powerballn503 Find all posts by powerballn503 Add powerballn503 to Your Contacts #5 06-17-2010, 10:10 AM

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I own 8 Renatos .... I paid what I paid for them because I love the design of the watches. It is very nice that many of mine are "Limited Edition" .... it's nice when I show it to someone to tell them that there are only 75 of these that exist in the world! BUT ... as nice as that is, I would MUCH prefer to have a more affordable price than to pay a premium for that exclusivity. What I will say though (and not just for Renato) .... once you manufacture and mark the watch as a numbered limited edition, then you MUST honor that regardless of the pressures to make more. Going forward, I would prefer to see Renato produce larger runs at more affordable prices, as opposed to higher priced Limited Edition runs.

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LE or LP makes little difference to me. R __________________

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it is the same with all the watches i buy, i like the watch period. i dont buy to resell, i dont buy to impress( although it is cool when someone comments on a watch im wearing) i buy because i like the watch period. __________________

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i own 37 Renato's.i do love the LE ones,but to me if the watch sings to me then that's all that matters. __________________

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Bubblehead, you made a great point about CS that I didn't even consider when it comes to limited editions. Whether it is paid for directly or not, CS is built into the value of the watch no matter how the watch is priced. But could Renato provide as good customer service if their productions runs were increased say 20 fold, and they were selling many more watches at a lower price? While it is possible they could, it would be much more difficult to do. BabyDoc View Public Profile Send a private message to BabyDoc Find all posts by BabyDoc Add BabyDoc to Your Contacts #10 06-17-2010, 10:18 AM Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 4,029

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this topic was discussed not too long ago in another thread. but to add to this... 1- folks let's face it Renaots are not that expensive. i know i know, i too, like you, have shyd away fromt he $600 price tag and will wait for something less or stick to buying last yrs leftovers, but walk into a jewelry store, or macy's, or other stores that sell a product equivilent to what Renato gives you and you'll realize that $300-$600 is NOT alot of $ for what you're getting. 2- i happen to like my limited editions. i wasnt sure if it mattered but who am i kidding. anytime someone comments on my Renato i always seem to take it off and show them the limited edition and # on the back, so YES, it DOES mean something and i like it. 3-i have no problem with Renato makin more quantity runs of 1000 or more, even 5 or 10,000, btu i suggest they also continue to do their limited runs of 100 or less...people DO

like it... look @ Invicta even, when they make a limited run of 500 as they did with some of the SAN IV's, it was stressed that there were only 500, same with the 1.4-4.4 models... people bought them cuz they were numbered limited editions. __________________

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I have 25 and I buy for the look. The limited edition means nothing to me. I do wish their prices would reflect the economy. All this talk about this movement cost the same as an automatic........give me the automatic. __________________ ~Dave ItsDavo View Public Profile Send a private message to ItsDavo Find all posts by ItsDavo Add ItsDavo to Your Contacts #12 06-17-2010, 10:25 AM

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Hello fellow WGs, I'am a new member, that has totally enjoyed and appreciated this fantastic forum. Thank you all for your great thoughts, guidance, and opinions. My wife purchased and gifted to me my 1st Renato, a Blue dial Mostro. Fantastic IP black finish, and the most classy packaging I have ever seen - First Class, all the way. However, I must say that she overpaid for this "ordinary" Ronda Quartz movement with an interesting,

but not exceptional dial work. My case back says I am 16/100. To me this is not that important at all. I would much rather have a more realistic, market condition sensitive, affordable pricing. IMO this watch is worth $300 - $350. (Probably the price ShopNBC will be forced to settle on in the next 3 months). Alongside my new black Android Predator, IMO this Renato Mostro is half the watch, at twice the price. For me - Wing and Android have become the #1 ShopNBC watch vendor for overall total quality and value. LatkaTime View Public Profile Send a private message to LatkaTime Find all posts by LatkaTime Add LatkaTime to Your Contacts #13 06-17-2010, 10:34 AM

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How many Renato's are really that limited? I mean when you consider, for example, that the T-REX might come in hundreds of different models with different dials, movements, finishes, colors, and then you say each version is limited to a run of a 100, how really limited are each when for practical purposes they are almost the same watch? BabyDoc View Public Profile Send a private message to BabyDoc Find all posts by BabyDoc Add BabyDoc to Your Contacts #14 06-17-2010, 10:50 AM

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The LE with Renato means nothing IMHO, they will change it a little bit and run another that will look 99% like a previos model. So in the end what are you truly getting? Not a LE watch when you can buy one that damn near looks just like it down the road. __________________ Not the official Invicta complain Dept RipitRon View Public Profile

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i own 2 renatos and i bought them because i like them period. __________________

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Originally Posted by soberdave09 i own 37 Renato's.i do love the LE ones,but to me if the watch sings to me then that's all that matters. +1

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tkromer Senior Member True WatchGeek

Being limited edition is worth exactly zero dollars extra to me. On the other hand, low production runs tend to have higher overall QC, and that's worth something... tkromer View Public Profile Send a private message to tkromer Send email to tkromer Find all posts by tkromer Add tkromer to Your Contacts #18 06-17-2010, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tkromer Being limited edition is worth exactly zero dollars extra to me. On the other hand, low production runs tend to have higher overall QC, and that's worth something... I agree that QC is more easily maintained with smaller runs. However, even with runs of 3000, Renato has managed in the past to have good quality. With the affordable T-REX interchangable, I don't recall there being any complaints about quality, other than the straps

(made by Hersh) looking cheap. Daniel says Renato has plans to do one big RUN watch like that a year. I wish he would do more. BabyDoc View Public Profile Send a private message to BabyDoc Find all posts by BabyDoc Add BabyDoc to Your Contacts #19 06-17-2010, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead Excellent post! Here's my .02 cents... 1. I own four Renatos. I do take some pride in having a LE, but that is not the reason I purchased any of them. 2. Affordability is key. Yes, please make more and bring the price down. I am not talking about Invicta saturation, which drives the value of each piece to next to nothing, but a run of 1000-2500 seems ok for me. 3. I buy Renato because of two things- fit and finish and customer service. Both are tops in the industry. Well, maybe three, I LOVE Renato's use of carbon fiber, also tops in the industry. I agree completely, the LE factor is nice, but not the sole reason to own a Renato. They make their watches affordable enough IMO, without sacrificing quality or CS support ir of when you need it. __________________

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It matters to me because of the 8 Renatos I own I bought them partly because of the LE LPs. and the overall quality CS and QC.I doubt I would buy another one if they were mass produced like other companies.BB has a point they arent THAT expensive and are well worth the asking price.They are unique and not many companies can say that.The only way I will buy a mass production run is if the numbers were 500 or less.That is what their company is just like the diamonds and the hand made Swiss movement.Frankly since DMs father controls EBay prices for the most part I am surprised to see any lower prices in the grey market.JMO __________________

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In my opinion, it is not just about being "Limited Edition". Renato provides great value. Besides being limited edition, they use very high quality materials (Black IP, diamonds, C&C machining, custom buckles, to name a few), and good quality control. They also provide excellent customer service. To me, all these together add up to something worthy of the

generally $500-$700 asking prices. You do get what you pay for. Your question should have been: Are you willing to sacrifice quality and customer service to bring the price point down? I feel that as soon as Renato starts pushing out watches by the tens of thousands, something will give. I like Renato the way it is now. Don't change a thing. Continue to be creative, and do small productions of good looking and reliable watches. tmok2000 View Public Profile Send a private message to tmok2000 Find all posts by tmok2000 Add tmok2000 to Your Contacts #22 06-17-2010, 12:48 PM Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Sand Springs, OK. Posts: 181

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I buy what I like as long as I can afford it........exclusivity means nothing to me. Make more & get the cost down...as long as quality is not compromised. ZRXBILL View Public Profile Send a private message to ZRXBILL Find all posts by ZRXBILL Add ZRXBILL to Your Contacts #23 06-17-2010, 12:53 PM

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I have one or two LE's... and I don't care whether they are LE's or not. Affordability trumps sales quantity by a long shot. I buy watches to wear and not to look at and other than going to a WG event, will probably NEVER see anyone wearing one like ANY of mine... and when you wear them they lose their "museum quality" finish over time anyway. So what are you paying for ? Bragging rights ? I couldn't care less. Nobody else would except other WG's.

I'd rather be able to afford a few more Renatos than LE's. __________________

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To be honest I could care less about LE. I don't even look at the number on my watches. I have 5 Renatos and love them for their quality and design. Price def does have an impact and I would like to see them a little less expensive. TMO bat View Public Profile Send a private message to bat Send email to bat Find all posts by bat Add bat to Your Contacts #25 06-17-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyDoc 1 If you already own a limited RUN Renato, do you knowingly spend that premium just because you feel you have something special that few other watch geeks own? 2 Would you have preferred Renato made more of each watch style so that they could be priced more reasonably; so that you could afford to own more of them; so that others could afford to own even one of them? 3. Do you spend as much as you do for Renato because you just like the watch and feel it is worth what you pay for its inherent quality, not even caring that it is a limited edition that could cost much less if more of them were made? 1.Own a couple limited runs picked up when on sale/closeout on shop, so they were quite affordable. Of course following this method has caused me to miss out on a couple. The limited production not important to me and so far has not proven to add any value as far as I can tell. 2.Since limited production not that important to me this would be nice to see. 3.Reason buy Renato is I really feel that look, fit and finish are worth what I'm willing to pay. Again limited or exclusivity not that important to me. Although must say I have yet to run in to anyone with a Renato and when anyone asks about mine, always hear, never heard of them but it sure is nice. Of course I then give them a little lesson on Renato and Shop. __________________

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LE is nice. it's nice to say that only 100 or 150 or 75 exist. it's not the tell all factor of his watches, but i was pretty happy when i looked @ the back of my Jakal and saw 360/360. last

one made in that color variation. just something that's kinda cool to show people... some people like to say they have the 1st or last edition of TV Guide. to most it means nothing, but to some it's interesting. __________________

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I love all my Renato watches, but today LIMITED EDITION doesn't mean crap.....Daniel is just about releasing all his pieces as Limited Edition or Limited Production. Why doesn't Renato truely release a pure LIMITED EDITION piece maybe twice a year. They should keep all their runs on watches in the 350-500 piece range. Prices will be lower for everyone to afford and then when they have that nice LIMITED Edition Piece of maybe 50-75 twice a year, you will have people that will buy it for the exclusivity. Their strategy now a days is costing them sales IMO. WatchGeek4Life View Public Profile

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Affordable prices will generally mean not made as well. I for one don't mind waiting until the prices start coming down after the new watches are a few months old as they almost always do. Most of the other brands on SNBC do offer lower (think value) watches but Renato's quality is what makes them special. The limited edition portion is important but even if 500 or 1000 are made that is still a very limited amount and I would still consider buying one. Reddsunn View Public Profile Send a private message to Reddsunn Find all posts by Reddsunn Add Reddsunn to Your Contacts #30 06-17-2010, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Reddsunn Affordable prices will generally mean not made as well. I for one don't mind waiting until the prices start coming down after the new watches are a few months old as they almost always do. Most of the other brands on SNBC do offer lower (think value) watches but Renato's quality is what makes them special. The limited edition portion is important but even if 500 or 1000 are made that is still a very limited amount and I would still consider buying one. But... the quality of the $ 250 T-Rex set is no different than the $ 500 T-Rex. __________________

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Originally Posted by Chrono But... the quality of the $ 250 T-Rex set is no different than the $ 500 T-Rex. +1. Even Daniel made a point of comparing the T-REX interchangable to the regular T-REX. He said they look the same and are of the same quality and he challenged anyone to see a difference. The only reason he could sell them for less was he made so many of them. BabyDoc View Public Profile Send a private message to BabyDoc Find all posts by BabyDoc Add BabyDoc to Your Contacts #32 06-17-2010, 02:17 PM

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I think people have been spoiled by the TRex and the DT Beast and seem to think Renato should do that with every watch.Well they probably cant unless they cut something else like QC or CS.To me more is not better.Both the Trex and the Beast were mass produced to sell in a big volume limited time period.I am sure there is a price set for X amount of watches in a certain period of time. Why rush their watches. They would probably need to expand their company to mass produce the volume necessary for the production.Havent we already seen that happen to another vendor? __________________

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I like the numbered part but dont really care if its 50 or 500. I would love to see them make more to lower prices. Renato has hands down the best QC and makes amazing peices. It is just hard to do a impulse buy on 500 on a watch. Withoutlooking View Public Profile Send a private message to Withoutlooking Find all posts by Withoutlooking Add Withoutlooking to Your Contacts #34 06-17-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by reliefcp I think people have been spoiled by the TRex and the DT Beast and seem to think Renato should do that with every watch.Well they probably cant unless they cut something else like QC or CS.To me more is not better.Both the Trex and the Beast were mass produced to sell in a big volume limited time period.I am sure there is a price set for X amount of watches in a certain period of time. Why rush their watches. They would probably need to expand their company to mass produce the volume necessary for the production.Havent we already seen that happen to another vendor? They could produce in volume at lower prices and high quality if they wanted to, but it is clear that they don't want to go the low price / high volume route. They surely didn't sell thousands of T-Rex's and Beast's at a loss.... which proves the point. And... the prices of many new Renatos can be found discounted greatly $ 150 or more at Shop only a couple months after their introduction. So there is plenty of margin to play with. __________________

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In todays market I cannot aford Exclusivity. I will let the rich have that area for now. What I want is quality at a low price. This is why I own over 40 Invicta's and only own 4 Renato's. I purchase 10 to 1 Invicta over Renato because I can still get quality at a low price. Believe me if Renato was a little cheaper I would own more then 40 of them. Great product but just out of the reach of the most of the general public. __________________

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ZIPPITY DOO! I buy them for their Form Fit Function Quality AND - CS! Sure having a low numbered timepiece is nice, but is not a deal setter or breaker. __________________

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Enough so that I just laid down $ 489. for this :

And yes I agree that the economy should and in some cases with even Renato does keep things more affordable for all of us on limited budgets! But I also remember that not more than 3 years ago that Renato was charging in many cases higher price tags for even there top values sold through the SHOP! Do I wish they were selling for less than they are? Yes! But will I not buy based on the fact that they are selling timepieces at prices more than what they have recently been selling them if I really like the timepiece? No! If I like it and I do not think I will get another shot at it based on it selling out, (or possibly going down in price) than I will and just did make the purchase! And yes I really want

this particular Vulcan, so now it's on it's way! And as has been suggested the SHOP cannot sell it at a lower price point so I guess I'm now paying for that exclusivity! Even if it's only a Quartz movement. __________________

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Beautiful Vulcan... and congrats to all who grabbed one. Renato's are definitely a notch or two above other brands... no question. I'll still buy Renato's when great deals come along. __________________

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i own 3 Renatos and i love every thing about them.I dont think thier priced to high,or that they should make more of a run just to make it more affordable. it takes aquired skills to do what they do and do it well. If they offer a special pricing for a certain run im happy about it not unaprecitive.How many of you look at your pay check and say" I am over payed, i should give the money back, my skills arent worth what im bieng payed for it" You might as well say i take no pride in what i do well. If you wouldnt do that, why do you think Renato should? Renato didnt make us buy any of thier watches,we did that all on our own.We have exploited ourselfs, not some some greedy company! We only need a watch to tell time and only need 1 watch to accomplish that.Taking accountablity for our actions will help us see reality much more clearer talestar View Public Profile Send a private message to talestar Find all posts by talestar Add talestar to Your Contacts #40 06-17-2010, 03:50 PM Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: On the Puget Sound, WA Posts: 12,137 Real Name: Charlie

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wave3214 Senior Member True WatchGeek

I recently got the T-rex set that sold for 199 and im very pleased with the overall quality of the watch, I think there were almost 3 thousand of each color combo made. My WB is a LE and I love it but to be honest as long as the quality stays if they want to up the build numbers to decrease prices I have no issue with it __________________

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LE is a great feature. Sometimes meaning full I have a 12 of 25 and sometimes meaning less 2800 of 3000. I think its great to keep pushing the design envelope. Daniel keeps changing it up and I like that, sometimes its wonderful and sometimes I wonder why! __________________ We all need a good camel. Jim3 View Public Profile Send a private message to Jim3 Find all posts by Jim3 Add Jim3 to Your Contacts #43 06-18-2010, 10:28 AM Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Yonkers, NY Posts: 2,364 Real Name: Darius

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Limited Edition doesn't make much of a difference to me. I will not pay extra for it. If I like a watch it is not because it is a LE. I love Renato's

because of their style, quality, and most of all QUALITY CUSTOMER SERVICE. As far as resale, everyone wants to buy any watch as cheap as they can get it so being an LE really makes no difference. __________________

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I own 5 Renato's including the interchangeable TRex set. The others are limited editions or limited productions. I can't see that much difference in the quality between the lesser expensive Trex set and another TRex diver that I have. I just ordered the Mostro and another TRex with the blue MOP. I expect the Mostro to be a little higher quality but overall, I like Renato because of the quality and the outstanding CS that I have received. BUT, they have proved that hey can produce a similar quality timepiece for less money and I am certainly open to paying less $$ for them. bkacher1063 View Public Profile

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I own 1. My first Renato purchase was the T-Rex at $199. I've spend a lot more for other watches but in this case the price got me to bite. I had been looking at the T-Rex but the regular prices for Renatos never made me look that close. When I saw the $199 and all colors were available, I gave it some deep thought then pulled the trigger. Once I had it in my hands I saw the quality and really really became sold on the Renato craftsmanship. I am very much interested in other models, but at premium prices its just not that easy to justify. May be well worth the price tags of $500 plus, but kinda hard to do. While I could only speculate on Renato's pricing strategies I can safely say that the $199 price point got my attention. Any if that was the purpose, it worked. But at a premium price like the Black IP Vulcans, I would think long and hard and limit myslef to something that just leaps out at me rather than something that just look like a great watch. I love the black IP look but would have to consider what will it look like in silver? And at that price I may not be interested in 2. WatchingU View Public Profile Send a private message to WatchingU Send email to WatchingU Find all posts by WatchingU Add WatchingU to Your Contacts #46 06-18-2010, 01:04 PM

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I own 6 Renato's including the interchangeable TRex set. Most of what I have are LE and one I have they have not brought back out in another variation. I think Daniel puts out a quality time piece and they stand out from the rest. It's nice to give a dog a bone every once in awhile. But stick to what got you there. In todays economy those who cannot pay for exclusivity i understand. But if you want that you have to be willing to pay for it. Jazzman View Public Profile Send a private message to Jazzman

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I own two Renatos both extremely limited editions. My gold tone Sporganza with blue sapphires is limited to 40 pieces. My rose gold T-Rex retrograde date is limited to 50. I love both watches. The detailing on my Sporganza is astounding considering what I paid for it. That said, I'm a little dubious about anything that becomes an instant rarity. It's one thing to see a watch fetch a lot more than it sold for such as an extremely rare Patek Philippe or Rolex. The reasons are understandable. But this mentality today by many manufacturers that by limiting how many they produce it will ensure the buyer exclusivity is mostly a gimmick. Speaking of Patek Philippe, you think the prices on Renatos have risen, check out this little gem: http://www.gemnation.com/watches/Pat...002J-1463.html It lists for $1,400,000! The question is, what will it fetch at auction say fifty years from now? Rich View Public Profile Send a private message to Rich Find all posts by Rich Add Rich to Your Contacts #48 06-18-2010, 09:34 PM

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I'm new to all this and I just received my first Renato, Wilde-Beast rubber strap. I purchased it because I liked its looks and what was said on this forum about Renato. I would like to see the best of all worlds quality watch, great c.s and a lower price. VIETVET68 View Public Profile Send a private message to VIETVET68 Find all posts by VIETVET68 Add VIETVET68 to Your Contacts #49 06-18-2010, 09:44 PM

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I buy because of what I see & like & then want to wear on my wrist. Renato puts out a product that I like in many designs but w/ their prices I just ca'nt afford as many as I would like. Jerseyruss View Public Profile Send a private message to Jerseyruss Find all posts by Jerseyruss Add Jerseyruss to Your Contacts #50 06-18-2010, 09:47 PM Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 101

marlboro Senior Member Senior Geek

The LE factor of there watches, do nothing for me. It doesnt make them more valuable in terms of resale, so it doesnt do anything for me. I like the watches, and the fit and finish, and thats all that matters. I dont buy watches for value, I buy them to wear them, and if I like it, and the price is right, nothing else matters. Join Date: May 2010 Location: Sunny California Posts: 115

sakura obata Senior Member Senior Geek

Come on lets be honest here, Renato doesn't make limited editions. I love their watches but releasing the same watch with a different color and movement and calling it a new limited edition is a joke. But lots of watch makers do this, so it is not really a big deal.

If you want a real LE, then you need to buy boutique watches. sakura obata View Public Profile Send a private message to sakura obata Find all posts by sakura obata Add sakura obata to Your Contacts #52 06-19-2010, 12:59 AM Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 101

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Originally Posted by sakura obata Come on lets be honest here, Renato doesn't make limited editions. I love their watches but releasing the same watch with a different color and movement and calling it a new limited edition is a joke. But lots of watch makers do this, so it is not really a big deal. If you want a real LE, then you need to buy boutique watches. Exactly, like the holotype in your avatar, it was a true limited edition, and usually when they popup for sale , they sell for more than they were initially offered, because they were made in very small quantities , never to be made again, that is a true limited edition, not putting a diamond 8 on the same trex youve done 20 times, and calling it a limited edition. your spot on my man, Renato, still makes a great timepiece, but like you said , the limited edition thing really is a joke. marlboro View Public Profile Send a private message to marlboro Find all posts by marlboro Add marlboro to Your Contacts #53 06-19-2010, 04:24 AM

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I have more than 90 Renato models with no duplications. My watch collection also contains

some of the more respected but still somewhat affordable brands like Cartier, Rolex, Baume & Mercier, Ebel, Movado, etc. I am not rich or well off and have been collecting for decades always searching for a great value and style. Renato has offered me more value for my money than any brand purchased. I only purchase what I like. I do not care about numbered editions but I prefer a little more exclusivity. I just do not see Renato continually producing 20,000 pieces of a given model. The T-Rex Interchangeable was a marketing trial... the largest production of a style at one time in Renato's history. When the price came down to under $200 they did not make any money. I want to see that they stay in business to continue to provide quality customer service. The best value is not just a low price. Renato is a small company. Their business model is to produce small production runs allowing them to test market the buyer's acceptance of a given style or configuration. If we as buyers do not like the product, their risk is low by only offering a small quantity of a given model. It seems as if Renato and ShopNBC over estimated the demand for the T-Rex Interchangeable. We became bored with the overexposure on-air. Sometimes Renato buyers do not "love" a particular style, color, etc. and the price is lowered to the point neither Renato or ShopNBC make any money but with only a small number the risk is low. The challenge is to find a balance between higher quantities to get a lower cost or limited quantities at higher cost. We buyers can be very fickle. It is difficult to offer a sellout every time. Some want more complications... some want simple designs. We have champagne tastes but want beer prices. I am all about getting the best deal for me but I want a company to be around twenty years from now. The high prices of the most famous watch brands are how they have stayed in business... some for more than 100 years. I want to see Renato around for years to come. I purchase Renato because of quality, high value, and customer service. The fit, finish and overall value is comparable or better than many very high end brands. Complaints about the pricing are due to the fact that Renato has actually set the pricing too low. When a gallon of milk is sold for $1.99, the percieved value and price that many buyers are willing to pay is now $1.99 despite the fact that the milk costs more to produce and distribute than $1.99 I have made a few high end Invicta purchases including the Speedway DD... the quality, value, and customer service did not meet my expectations. My conclusion: You get what you pay for (within reason) and if you think Renato will continue to offer $200-300 watches and stay in business then you probably do not appreciate what you are getting for your money. Note: I do not work for Renato or ShopNBC but have done sales and marketing for more than 35 years. timeaftertime View Public Profile Send a private message to timeaftertime Find all posts by timeaftertime Add timeaftertime to Your Contacts #54 06-19-2010, 04:44 AM Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 982 Real Name: Akiva

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Because of Renato's recent track record on "limited editions" I would not pay an additional penny for one. I however like their product and wouldn't mind paying a fair price for some of their watches. I don't like diamonds on my watches, however, so I didn't pull the trigger on one of those kits (although I really didn't like the dial work generally on that watch and wouldn't have bought it anyway even without the diamonds). I do love their top notch interchangeable strap system though and look forward to it being available on other watches. __________________ "Of all of the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny of religion is the worst." - Thomas Paine AkDa View Public Profile Send a private message to AkDa Send email to AkDa Find all posts by AkDa Add AkDa to Your Contacts #55 06-19-2010, 06:45 AM Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Wintrop,Ma. Posts: 1,420

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Originally Posted by timeaftertime I have more than 90 Renato models with no duplications. My watch collection also contains some of the more respected but still somewhat affordable brands like Cartier, Rolex, Baume & Mercier, Ebel, Movado, etc. I am not rich or well off and have been collecting for decades always searching for a great value and style. Renato has offered me more value for my money than any brand purchased. I only purchase what I like. I do not care about numbered editions but I prefer a little more exclusivity. I just do not see Renato continually producing 20,000 pieces of a given model. The T-Rex Interchangeable was a marketing trial... the largest production of a style at one time in Renato's history. When the price came down to under $200 they did not make any money. I want to see that they stay in business to continue to provide quality customer service. The best value is not just a low price. Renato is a small company. Their business model is to produce small production runs allowing them to test market the buyer's acceptance of a given style or configuration. If we as buyers do not like the product, their risk is low by only offering a small quantity of a given model. It seems as if Renato and ShopNBC over estimated the demand for the T-Rex Interchangeable. We became bored with the overexposure on-air. Sometimes Renato buyers do not "love" a particular style, color, etc. and the price is lowered to the point neither Renato or ShopNBC make any money but with only a small number the risk is low. The challenge is to find a balance between higher quantities to get a lower cost or limited quantities at higher cost. We buyers can be very fickle. It is difficult

to offer a sellout every time. Some want more complications... some want simple designs. We have champagne tastes but want beer prices. I am all about getting the best deal for me but I want a company to be around twenty years from now. The high prices of the most famous watch brands are how they have stayed in business... some for more than 100 years. I want to see Renato around for years to come. I purchase Renato because of quality, high value, and customer service. The fit, finish and overall value is comparable or better than many very high end brands. Complaints about the pricing are due to the fact that Renato has actually set the pricing too low. When a gallon of milk is sold for $1.99, the percieved value and price that many buyers are willing to pay is now $1.99 despite the fact that the milk costs more to produce and distribute than $1.99 I have made a few high end Invicta purchases including the Speedway DD... the quality, value, and customer service did not meet my expectations. My conclusion: You get what you pay for (within reason) and if you think Renato will continue to offer $200-300 watches and stay in business then you probably do not appreciate what you are getting for your money. Note: I do not work for Renato or ShopNBC but have done sales and marketing for more than 35 years.

I agree with all points made ! Nicely put! __________________

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I agree except for the statement that most famous watch brands have been around simply because they charge high prices. Not true. Yes, they're expensive, but in many cases these companies make everything in Switzerland, many components in their own shops. Rolex now builds everything in-house right down to the screws. So does Patek Philippe. These famous companies employ lots of people. It's very expensive manufacturing in Switzerland. Some rather well known Swiss watch companies make movements for other high end Swiss brands that don't create their own movements in-house. Then there's the fact they are sold by authorized dealers in stores all over the world. Renato sells only on ShopNBC and a few on Ebay with Daniel's father's store. Renatos are not made in Switzerland. They use Swiss movements, but the cases are made in Asia. I suspect assembling is done there as well to keep the cost down. Nothing wrong with Asia. Right now the Chinese are making

exceptionally good, cheap mechanical movements. But they're still not up there with Switzerland or Germany. Now Daniel says he will be coming out with a cheaper Renato. I guess they will feature Asian movements. And this notion that all Renatos are hand made is misleading. Just about all wristwatches are hand made to some degree. Probably a cheap plastic Casio is stamped out by a machine, but any higher end watch gets assembled by hand. Besides collecting watches I'm into astronomy. Over the years I have purchased several telescopes and eyepieces. The Chinese are making huge inroads into the manufacturing of astronomical equipment designed for the amateur astronomer. Right now most scopes and eyepieces come either from China or Taiwan. And excellent quality products too. The handful that are manufactured in the US and especially in Japan are extremely expensive. Plus for anyone who wants a US made Astro-Physics scope, there's a waiting list to get on that lasts for years. Each scope is hand made using the finest materials and sells for a small fortune. Finally, I think what Daniel has done with Renato is amazing. He's taken a relatively new brand and created a cult following. His watches are very well made. They don't tend to develop problems such as some other brands Shopnbc sells. He's to be commended for what he's accomplished in such a short time. Rich View Public Profile Send a private message to Rich Find all posts by Rich Add Rich to Your Contacts #57 06-19-2010, 09:56 AM Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 385

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1. In the distant past I did pay a premium for the limited production and limited edition Renato's (both quartz and automatic), until I found out they were reproducing the same exact watch and adding on to the Limited Edition number (IMO very unethical). From that point I have never and will never put ANY value in the Renato Limited Editions! 2. Yes, that is the only way I will ever buy Renato's from now on. They have to be cheap, none of this $500-$600 for a quartz movement, or $2400 for a Valjoux 7750. Those days are over! The only renato I have purchased this year is the TTV T-Rex interchangable. 3. IMO recently Renato has been struggling with their designs, too many over the top designs with very busy dials and a cheap look to them. They need to get back to the basics, Good Design, Good Quality, and Value for your money. Produce more watches and scrap the

limited production or Limited Edition scheme, no one is buying it anymore. red-scorpion View Public Profile Send a private message to red-scorpion Find all posts by red-scorpion Add red-scorpion to Your Contacts #58 06-19-2010, 10:03 AM Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 440

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I just love T-rex/T-rex diver line and will buy only T-rex untill they have something to beat the T-rex. Recent new editions cougar,buzo and Mostro are dissapointing so to me it doesn't matter if it's a LE peice or not. I just love the T-rex. T-Rex interchangeable- silvertone T-Rex Diver Valjoux LE w/ diamond crown T-Rex Gen II rubber strap - black/ orange journeyguy View Public Profile Send a private message to journeyguy Find all posts by journeyguy Add journeyguy to Your Contacts #59 06-19-2010, 10:32 AM

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stay in business to continue to provide quality customer service. The best value is not just a low price. Renato is a small company. Their business model is to produce small production runs allowing them to test market the buyer's acceptance of a given style or configuration. If we as buyers do not like the product, their risk is low by only offering a small quantity of a given model. It seems as if Renato and ShopNBC over estimated the demand for the T-Rex Interchangeable. We became bored with the overexposure on-air. Sometimes Renato buyers do not "love" a particular style, color, etc. and the price is lowered to the point neither Renato or ShopNBC make any money but with only a small number the risk is low. The challenge is to find a balance between higher quantities to get a lower cost or limited quantities at higher cost. We buyers can be very fickle. It is difficult to offer a sellout every time. Some want more complications... some want simple designs. We have champagne tastes but want beer prices. I am all about getting the best deal for me but I want a company to be around twenty years from now. The high prices of the most famous watch brands are how they have stayed in business... some for more than 100 years. I want to see Renato around for years to come. I purchase Renato because of quality, high value, and customer service. The fit, finish and overall value is comparable or better than many very high end brands. Complaints about the pricing are due to the fact that Renato has actually set the pricing too low. When a gallon of milk is sold for $1.99, the percieved value and price that many buyers are willing to pay is now $1.99 despite the fact that the milk costs more to produce and distribute than $1.99 I have made a few high end Invicta purchases including the Speedway DD... the quality, value, and customer service did not meet my expectations. My conclusion: You get what you pay for (within reason) and if you think Renato will continue to offer $200-300 watches and stay in business then you probably do not appreciate what you are getting for your money. Note: I do not work for Renato or ShopNBC but have done sales and marketing for more than 35 years. Right on! I wish I could have stated it as well as you did but I am in complete agreement.Thanks. __________________

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One other thing. There's another and very important reason why the most famous watch brands have been around for so long. Prestigious Swiss brands such as Rolex, Patek Philippe, Vacheron Constantin, Jaeger Lecoultre and Breguet all came up with important advancements in the watch industry. So far all Renato has come up with with is their unique method for quickly changing straps. Rich View Public Profile Send a private message to Rich Find all posts by Rich Add Rich to Your Contacts #61 06-19-2010, 01:18 PM Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ga. Posts: 1,008 Real Name: Gary

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Watches are like any other collectible. It's not what others think about it. Its what you think about it. If it makes you happy then it worth the cost. We are all unique in our own way. It doesn't take much to make me happy. __________________

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I never intended to indicate the only reason higher-end and more expensive watch brands stay in business solely because of their higher prices. As discussed many times on-air and in these forums, the higher margins and considerably higher profits per watch allow many makers the cash flow to innovate, advertise, and create the mistique around their brands that may inspire you to make a purchase at a price many times more expensive than a Renato. I see Renato as a product family that evolves rather than innovates. I do not see Renato designing and building its own movement for example. I have purchased Cartier and Rolex models that I wanted but based on their movements and traditional designs (same old design for more than 70 years) they were not worth the price paid solely based the sum of the componenets. The marketplace and my impulsive desire to have the status, traditional style, etc. set the value. I have sent both Cartier and Rolex (even Invicta) models in for service. Renato beats the response time and cost by a long shot. In these forums Geeks consistantly write about the slow turnaround times for Invicta repairs taking months. Don't get me wrong... the quality of the service received from Cartier was incredible... the watch was returned in like new condition both functionally and cosmetically but I could have purchased a couple of Renatos for what I paid for that Cartier service. The Cartier turnaround time was too long. A Rolex service cost me more than two Renatos. My original point is that we need to avoid equating a low price to value... the value you receive from Renato is exceptionally high considering their lower prices. We have become a little spoiled with the down economy, competitive internet shopping, and on-air television shopping. World prices for watches in many cases have been at a level of survival for some companies. Even ShopNBC is still loosing money. A watch company like Renato cannot continue to offer their "high value" at the $200-$300 price points and remain in business to provide the support and fast service trunaround times (less than 2 weeks in my experience) that we have come to expect. Those prices are for mass produced watches like Seiko. I know many Geeks are disappointed in some of the current styles, movements, and their price points. I, too prefer the older and more simple designs. Some of the newer models are too busy for my taste but I still recognize the value that Renato as a company is continuing to provide. Every time a new style is created by any watch company a considerable amount of development cost is incurred. The Renato philosophy allows many variations to suit many different tastes built on a few common platforms. That allows lower overall costs, improved profits and better pricing for WatchGeeks and the ShopNBC viewers. That shinny new car or large LCD/LED flat screenscreen television at your home have considerable dollars of initial engineering costs built into every unit produced. Renato attempts to spread their engineering costs over several limited editions or productions. I agree that a better nomenclature could define how many of a given model are produced... maybe like a book printing... first edition, second edition, etc. plus the numbering scheme currently used (53/75). I personally do not care about the production number or edition. Next time you consider making a watch purchase think about everything that comes outside the package. Don't base the price you want to pay on what some clearance model is selling for, an eBay bid or what you paid to Renato for a watch when they sold direct and were trying to survive.

The price is not a true indicator of the value received. timeaftertime View Public Profile Send a private message to timeaftertime Find all posts by timeaftertime Add timeaftertime to Your Contacts #63 06-20-2010, 05:01 AM

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No question in my mind that my Renato's are well made quality watches and they have good customer service,that being said as far as the LE numbers on my watches it was never my reason for making the purchase in the first place.If your buying the watch because of the LE numbers except for a very few model productions,remember the numbers can be manipulated by simply changing a minor detail in the watch. Watchman58 View Public Profile Send a private message to Watchman58 Send email to Watchman58 Find all posts by Watchman58 Add Watchman58 to Your Contacts #64 06-20-2010, 01:47 PM Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Wintrop,Ma. Posts: 1,420

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In regards to Renato's busy designs up until recent history. Renato like many other brands does try to appeal to what is wanted by there timepiece consumer. This past year many designs and models have come out with that busy look, albiet giving you many complications,some have felt that they are not readable and they are not interested in some thing that is not easly read. As a lot of geeks know the design and commitment towards that end are established

months if not a year or more in advance of us seeing the end product and depending on the size of the company it could take longer than that. Renato had come out with a quantity of timepieces that were geared towards those that might like that look and I know they probably did not sell as well as some of there less busy brethren but since they were committed,than out they rolled. I personally like the fact that I have some busy dials in my collection! Am I a big fan of that look, not really! But I do have a few in my collection and am really happy that I do. I think that we have already seen that Renato has started to committ towards a less busy look and I think that the less busy fan will be pleased with what we will see from Renato in the coming months.Will this be the end of the busy dial for Renato? I personally hope not. But I do think that between there recognition of what is selling and what is not selling and there want to change there styling designs up,than we will see a lot less of the busy production lines! __________________

What Did you say? I'm going on a intergalactic trip! Do I have a choice?What do ya mean by myself? Why? Last edited by watchobs; 06-23-2010 at 08:25 PM. Reason: wording

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don't care just keep making stunners and i'm happy

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LE means nothing to me. One slight modification, that most people would never notice, to an LE, and its considered a different watch. IMO, they rarely are true LE's. jb182 View Public Profile Send a private message to jb182 Find all posts by jb182 Add jb182 to Your Contacts #67 06-20-2010, 03:34 PM

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Not much really. I buy what I like and if it is Limited then even better but not if the limit is 2000. IMO, that's not that limited. __________________

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Yesterday I was wearing my T-Rex gun metal big date with rosetone accents. As I was on my one hour and twenty minute commute home I thought I would get into an accident because I couldn't stop looking at subtile flash of the black MOP dial against the more aggressive flash of the renato diamonds. At that time I became very proud to know that only a little over 100 people in the world own this watch and are able to enjoy what i've just experienced. I would definitely be willing to pay extra for a limited edition. No one would suggest another exclusive watch company to lower their prices. They would simply save for the watch they desire and purchase it...or simply do without. Unfortunately I am a middle class working guy and have missed several watches that I would have loved to have owned due to prices that I couldn't afford at the time. I guess that's just the way it is. When I do get a chance to purchase that higher priced item I know that my hard work paid off. rawdawg168 View Public Profile Send a private message to rawdawg168 Find all posts by rawdawg168 Add rawdawg168 to Your Contacts #71 06-20-2010, 09:55 PM

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To me a Renato Limited Edition means absolutely nothing to me. However, It would mean something to me if were a high end Swiss Brand, that I would cherish CIGARRED View Public Profile Send a private message to CIGARRED

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Originally Posted by timeaftertime I never intended to indicate the only reason higher-end and more expensive watch brands stay in business solely because of their higher prices. As discussed many times on-air and in these forums, the higher margins and considerably higher profits per watch allow many makers the cash flow to innovate, advertise, and create the mistique around their brands that may inspire you to make a purchase at a price many times more expensive than a Renato. Here's what you said: Quote:

The high prices of the most famous watch brands are how they have stayed in business. The reason prestigious Swiss brands have lasted so long is multifaceted. Their high cost reflects a desire to manufacture the finest watches on the planet. Innovation is paramount among these brands. Yes, they have a higher profit margin when compared to Renato. But some Swiss brands such as Blancpain only produce a limited amount of watches per year. I believe under 10,000 pieces. Each watch is a work of art made by a single watchmaker. All mechanical. No quartz. Patek Philippe has a reputation for being the best for a good reason. Charging an incredibly high price has little or anything to do with it. Anyone purchasing a Patek Philippe wristwatch knows they're obtaining the best money can buy. These watches have a lineage going way back. Bottom line is there's really no legitimate comparison to be made between the top Swiss brands and the lower ones sold on shopping channels. Like comparing a painting by Renoir to a print by Thomas Kinkade. Bottom line is Renato makes an excellent watch for the money. Limiting the number of watches Renato makes is fine and dandy. But don't expect one to ever show up for auction at Sotheby's. Rich View Public Profile Send a private message to Rich Find all posts by Rich Add Rich to Your Contacts #73 06-22-2010, 04:04 PM

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I own several Renatos, and "Limited Edition" means nothing to me. To quote Randy Newman, "It's Money That Matters!" Spring Lake Bob View Public Profile Send a private message to Spring Lake Bob Find all posts by Spring Lake Bob Add Spring Lake Bob to Your Contacts #74 06-22-2010, 07:28 PM Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Machester, Ct. Posts: 1,903 Real Name: Joe H

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LE to me is a nice, because it tells you the number watches in that run.... But I bought mine because I just liked the watch, it is an orginal vulcan ...... __________________

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Originally Posted by nycruza ZIPPITY DOO! I buy them for their Form Fit Function Quality AND - CS! Sure having a low numbered timepiece is nice, but is not a deal setter or breaker. +1 __________________

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2 Would you have preferred Renato made more of each watch style so that they could be priced more reasonably; so that you could afford to own more of them; so that others could afford to own even one of them? I don't care to own dozens of every model. I limit my collecting to one of each model, unless another version of the same model is different enough to grab and hold my attention (I do own both a Purple Interchange and Gun/Rose/Black MOP T-Rex's). Within that framework, I would welcome any business model that allowed Renato to keep the high CS/QC, and at the reasonable prices we have enjoyed over the last two years. Quote:

3. Do you spend as much as you do for Renato because you just like the watch and feel it is worth what you pay for its inherent quality, not even caring that it is a limited edition that could cost much less if more of them were made? Yes. I buy for style, quality, and value. Renato is tops under those terms in my book. I do have a #1/40 Rose Vulcan 5040f, and I must say that this makes the watch slightly special to me, but I would own it no matter the number. If it's not a #1 then the number scarcely matters however, so I suppose it is not that important. Bottom line for me; do whatever you can to keep them high quality, super stylish, and under $500 (specials and diamond daddys excepted, of course). __________________ Drink The TEA, My Friends!

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TheMatrix Senior Member Super Geek

This is a great thread! Bottom line for me is always price. The LE or LP doesn't really mean much to me. It would be nice if Renato brought down pricing by increasing production. It would be equally nice to perhaps have Renato lock a specific model, say the Vulcan, to a LE/LP run each year. This would maintain the exclusivity that Renato is marketing for while bringing "affordable" pricing to the rest of the model lines. Also, Renato could rotate the LE/LP model runs from year to year. JMO. __________________ I'm a murderer because I kill time! TheMatrix View Public Profile Send a private message to TheMatrix Send email to TheMatrix Find all posts by TheMatrix Add TheMatrix to Your Contacts #78 06-23-2010, 08:16 AM

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I don't own renatos...always thought they were a little over priced for an off brand quartz. That being said, I like some of their designs, but the LE really doesn't grab me. For me, make an auto, forget the diamonds and sell it for a reasonable price, and I would consider buying one. Allan View Public Profile Send a private message to Allan Find all posts by Allan Add Allan to Your Contacts #79 06-23-2010, 08:57 AM

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Right now quality control at Renato is superb. The chances of getting a defective watch is very low. If they increased production to match say Invicta.......well...go to the Invicta forum and read all the complaints. Watches that don't work right out of the box. Or watches that work and then stop dead. Or hands that fall off. I will never buy an Invicta. But I will eventually buy another Renato. No question about it. Rich View Public Profile Send a private message to Rich Find all posts by Rich Add Rich to Your Contacts #80 06-23-2010, 10:59 AM Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 846 Real Name: John

jfwharton Senior Member Veteran Geek

I have 8 Renatos and love each and every one. But I do not purchase Renato's because they are limited edition. I purchase a watch because of the quality of manufacture, the design (has to "sing" to me) and the price (I.E. the bang for the buck based on the previous criteria). I do have to admit that being limited editions does add to the urgency in purchasing one if I decide that I like it and want to purchase it before it sells out. But then again, with 73 watches the urgency sort of falls by the wayside. John jfwharton View Public Profile Send a private message to jfwharton Visit jfwharton's homepage! Find all posts by jfwharton Add jfwharton to Your Contacts #81 06-23-2010, 07:35 PM

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I have 5 limited production of Renato Beauty. I hope he keeps his limit prod....I don't care for mass produce watches. Who wants a watch that every one has like Invictas. Prep View Public Profile Send a private message to Prep Find all posts by Prep Add Prep to Your Contacts #82 06-23-2010, 08:43 PM

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I agree. Invicta makes nothing like my limited edition Renato Sporganza.

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The limited run of the Ceramic Beauty was one of the primary factors that led me to pick that as my first Renato. When I got my hands on it, I was blown away by the fit and finish. I picked that up at full Shop price last fall. Since then I've picked up 4 more from Renato -two more limited editions and two from larger production runs! While there is no real difference in quality that I can detect. I really think that I love my limited pieces more because of their exclusivity, but the others seem to get more wrist time! Lulucantoo View Public Profile Send a private message to Lulucantoo Find all posts by Lulucantoo Add Lulucantoo to Your Contacts #84 Yesterday, 06:53 PM Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 19

Darkseadiver Junior Member New Geek

I have to love the watch first - but LE is the frosting, I do like the fact that only a few of the style were made and that I have one of the few in some cases.