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Krazy Senior Member Senior Geek It's almost Thursday where's the News?

Well the weekends over and nearly into the next so WTS?

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I've been told top men are working on it right now. watchgolfer View Public Profile Send a private message to watchgolfer Find all posts by watchgolfer Add watchgolfer to Your Contacts #3 06-16-2010, 06:15 PM

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News as of today 6-16-10 Bp said sorry for oil spill WILL deposit 20 billon in bank for Gulf oil leak! NM gov ford and lockhart tie the knot. Sea creatures flee oil spill head to shore. jobless bill hits deficit in the senate. AT&T get record Iphone orders. That Top news for today 6-16-10 T __________________

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These top men must be Black Ops....if we find out who they are we have to be terminated, huh? Krazy

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Hmmm.. Maybe thats why I feel like collatteral damage? Krazy View Public Profile Send a private message to Krazy Find all posts by Krazy Add Krazy to Your Contacts #8 Yesterday, 04:15 AM Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,723

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Do you think that Perhaps, the "Top Men" are actually Attorneys? And, Do you think that Perhaps, they are working on a financial settlement, for any possible damages to D.D.'s reputation? And, Do you think that Perhaps, after that, they will work on a joint statement to tell the public what they want us to know? and, Do you think that Perhaps, we will never know the full story? or, Do you think that perhaps, there is no basis to this hypothesis? Just wondering what the delays on the release of the joint statement may be ? CHRONOKEN View Public Profile Send a private message to CHRONOKEN Find all posts by CHRONOKEN Add CHRONOKEN to Your Contacts

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And the wait goes on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on......zzzzz Krazy View Public Profile Send a private message to Krazy Find all posts by Krazy Add Krazy to Your Contacts #11 Yesterday, 04:30 AM

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The verdict was supposed to be un Monday. Could Eyal still be on hold? RunninOnEmpty View Public Profile Send a private message to RunninOnEmpty Find all posts by RunninOnEmpty Add RunninOnEmpty to Your Contacts #12 Yesterday, 05:23 AM

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At this point in time silence gives all the answers to the questions and any noise later will be just that about this matter. Now the real question and worry is whether it shall be a #7 shrimp egg-foo young or a #11 chicken and broccoli combo platter tonight ... that is at this moment a far more important topic to me and its still before 9am and I really should be more worried about lunch than dinner. I am glad though that I wont have to answer the question of which soup to get with whichever combo platter I get tonight since I like the wonton soup far better than the eggy drop soup. So whenever the response comes its just going to be how really nobody made any actual intentional mistakes and that everything will be fixed and the world will not spin off its axis into the vast expanses of space to be met by the Darliks or to have the human race assimilated by the Borg either but instead all will be fine and dandy in WatchGeekDomLand ... but ... yeah there is always a but ... will it be a #7 or #11 tonight? This entire pony is getting the manure whipped out of it ... wait a second ... maybe a #19 might be good as well. X-James View Public Profile Send a private message to X-James Find all posts by X-James Add X-James to Your Contacts #13 Yesterday, 05:33 AM Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 1,660 Real Name: Doug

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I also hope info is given shortly, as it does seem strange that if nobody did anything wrong intentionally or unintentionally then this would have been addressed already? __________________

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I don't see why it would take so long. I'm sure these men are very busy with other matters as well but if this truly was nothing more than a misunderstanding or a lack of communication and everything is on the up and up then it could have been sorted out by now. How long can it take to figure out if Invicta purchased the movements straight from DD or not, they either did or they didn't. __________________

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Originally Posted by CHRONOKEN Do you think that Perhaps, the "Top Men" are actually Attorneys? And, Do you think that Perhaps, they are working on a financial settlement, for any possible damages to D.D.'s reputation? And, Do you think that Perhaps, after that, they will work on a joint statement to tell the public what they want us to know? and, Do you think that Perhaps, we will never know the full story? or, Do you think that perhaps, there is no basis to this hypothesis? Just wondering what the delays on the release of the joint statement may be ? Think the basis for your hypothesis follows a logical line of reasoning. But then again, what do I know?

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I think conspiracy theories arent going to get anybody anywhere. When they have something to say they will make a statement. I still wish I would've been able to get

one of those amazing timepieces. When the dust all clears, and it will, those who were patient are going to be very happy they weathered the storm ... just my 2 cents and yes ill shut up wave (lol) __________________

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I can see why the statement would take some time. There are a lot of "if" questions: If there is to be a total recall. They are probably going over all aspects of the watch to make sure they get it right. They have to be ready at Invicta to take the calls and process the orders in which they pay for all shipping. Any of these out of the ordinary issues would have to be worked out ahead of time. If they are going to allow after 30 day returns to SNBC, they would have to work out those details. If attorneys are involved, then you just increased the time that we will see a statement. If any statement that was said on the air during the sale of the watch was incorrect, they would have to explain it. If, if, if, if, etc. We have to have patience on this one, that's for sure. Lucky for me, my Speedway DD works perfectly and I am wearing it right now. That's my 2 cents. maxkonin View Public Profile Send a private message to maxkonin

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Originally Posted by wave3214 I think conspiracy theories arent going to get anybody anywhere. When they have something to say they will make a statement. I still wish I would've been able to get one of those amazing timepieces. When the dust all clears, and it will, those who were patient are going to be very happy they weathered the storm ... just my 2 cents and yes ill shut up wave (lol) I think that if you decide that you still want one after whatever conclusion is come to, you will definitely be able to get one, and probably for a lot less. I'm sure that if they do put them back out there, they will end up on the DOD type sites (think Reserve Lupah). __________________ Eric. emathieu View Public Profile Send a private message to emathieu Find all posts by emathieu Add emathieu to Your Contacts #19 Yesterday, 09:43 AM

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sneek peek at joint message: i know you believe you understand what you thought you heard, but im not sure you realize that what you heard is not what i meant. __________________

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Yeah !!! What he said! Damn that Bush sucker!!! Let's see....Order Date: 5/15/2010 ..... Today's Date 6/17/2010 ..... Full Disclosure: 12th of Neva' ....hehehehe .....Hey would somebody contact my next of kin if I pass on before this gets finished? Krazy View Public Profile Send a private message to Krazy Find all posts by Krazy Add Krazy to Your Contacts #22 Yesterday, 10:08 AM

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hey Iam waiting too.

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Growing up in Washington, DC with all the conspiracies with Congressmen and Senator's this usually means lawyers and a deal being made. If it was all on the up and up it would only take a few hours to be resolved. The longer it takes the more it doesn't look good. __________________ Time to Watch as Time Passes Away watchluv View Public Profile Send a private message to watchluv Find all posts by watchluv Add watchluv to Your Contacts #24 Yesterday, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by emptypockets sneek peek at joint message: i know you believe you understand what you thought you heard, but im not sure you realize that what you heard is not what i meant. Far out Man! Krazy View Public Profile Send a private message to Krazy Find all posts by Krazy Add Krazy to Your Contacts #25 Yesterday, 12:49 PM

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Wow....I know I replied to this thread with something I thought was funny...guess someone didn't find it too funny...my post has dissappeared.

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I think this Is as good as It's going to get, enjoy.

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Come on everyone, let's keep this thread on topic... __________________

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It appears by the length of time it's taking for a negotiated solution to this matter, shows that determining who's at fault and who will pay to repair the defective watches, could be the reason why it's taking so long to hear from Eyal. __________________

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And what sounds like a simple matter could be as un-simple as DD and Eyal attempting to decide just who is responsible for what portion of the problem, exactly how any recall is going to be done and who is going to pay for what. Or maybe not. But if it is, I'd love to listen in on the conversation. Would beat anything on TV. Anyone remember "That depends upon what your definition of 'is' is."? Grumpyface View Public Profile Send a private message to Grumpyface Find all posts by Grumpyface Add Grumpyface to Your Contacts #32 Yesterday, 05:06 PM

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The Constitution was written in how many days???.... I'm just saying... Krazy View Public Profile Send a private message to Krazy Find all posts by Krazy Add Krazy to Your Contacts #34 Yesterday, 05:13 PM Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Northern CA Posts: 17,678 Real Name: Brad

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Didn't anybody figure this out yet? Eyal pays DD in full for every module. Then he can say he bought them (just not when) DD will say the didn't install them but are working hand in hand with Invicta to fix the problem. Eyal also pays DD to fix all the current Speedways and everybody goes home happy and none of us know the difference Money talks and BS walks! Russell3

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Originally Posted by Russell3 Didn't anybody figure this out yet? Eyal pays DD in full for every module. Then he can say he bought them (just not when) DD will say the didn't install them but are working hand in hand with Invicta to fix the problem. Eyal also pays DD to fix all the current Speedways and everybody goes home happy and none of us know the difference Money talks and BS walks! 1. It's very likely the movements were purchased from a third party. So why would Invicta pay for them again? 2. It's already been established the problem it not with the movements, so why would DD have any part in the repairs? 3. 1,000 movements are chump change to a company like DD, so what money is doing what talking?

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Originally Posted by Flyback 1. It's very likely the movements were purchased from a third party. So why would Invicta pay for them again? 2. It's already been established the problem it not with the movements, so why would DD have any part in the repairs? 3. 1,000 movements are chump change to a company like DD, so what money is doing what talking? 1) Because Eyal want to save face and say he bought them from DD 2)To ensure peace of mind to all the speedway customers. 3) 1000 or more movement may not cost much if you a dealer, but to buy your way out of trouble it may be a lot!

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Originally Posted by Russell3 1) Because Eyal want to save face and say he bought them from DD 2)To ensure peace of mind to all the speedway customers. 3) 1000 or more movement may not cost much if you a dealer, but to buy your way out of trouble it may be a lot!

1. I can't imagine DD would recreate history for Invicta or anyone for that matter, if indeed they've even been asked to. 2. DD makes movements, they don't case watches or affix dials and hands, so once again, what involvement could they possibly have in the repairs of misaligned hands and the height of the dial over the DD module? 3. Chump change is chump change, it buys nobody and certainly not anyone's deceit. __________________

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Originally Posted by Russell3 Ahhhhhh! You have a lot to learn about money my young Jedi Apprentice. DOB: 12/23/1950 - 30 years in corporate management, 15 years in executive management. Just who's the apprentice here? __________________

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Originally Posted by Flyback 1. It's very likely the movements were purchased from a third party. So why would Invicta pay for them again? 2. It's already been established the problem it not with the movements, so why would DD have any part in the repairs? Brad, Your reasoning would indicate Invicta is totally responsible and really has nothing to negotiate with D-D. Could be Invicta is the only party working on how to make this matter right. __________________

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Originally Posted by timeman Brad, Your reasoning would indicate Invicta is totally responsible and really has nothing to negotiate with D-D. Could be Invicta is the only party working on how to make this matter right. Possibly. I was really just countering Russell3's speculative points with ones that I thought were more credible. Only time will tell. __________________

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Originally Posted by Flyback DOB: 12/23/1950 - 30 years in corporate management, 15 years in executive management. Just who's the apprentice here? Relax Brad Nobody here is calling into question you age or experience I'm just stating my thoughts on the matter at hand. If I've ruffled you feathers I'm sorry. Oh and FYI I've spent the last 13yrs in Luxury Timepieces. So who would you like to meet first. Maybe Ruddy Chevez President Of Baume & Mercier and my good friend or someone else higher in Richemont How about the boys at Cartier? Russell3 View Public Profile Send a private message to Russell3 Find all posts by Russell3 Add Russell3 to Your Contacts #48 Yesterday, 07:41 PM Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Northern CA Posts: 17,678 Real Name: Brad

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Relax Brad Nobody here is calling into question you age or experience I'm just stating my thoughts on the matter at hand. If I've ruffled you feathers I'm sorry. Oh and FYI I've spent the last 13yrs in Luxury Timepieces. So who would you like to meet first. Maybe Ruddy Chevez President Of Baume & Mercier and my good friend or someone else higher in Richemont How about the boys at Cartier? That being the case, I'd guess you'd know better than most that DD as a movement maker would have no part in performing the requisite repairs. __________________

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Ok let say they (DD) won't repair but oversee the repairs for a price.

Maybe your a little to old school ( I mean that with NO disrespect) but sometimes it just about smoke and mirrors Russell3 View Public Profile Send a private message to Russell3 Find all posts by Russell3 Add Russell3 to Your Contacts #50 Yesterday, 08:04 PM Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Northern CA Posts: 17,678 Real Name: Brad

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Originally Posted by Russell3 Ok let say they (DD) won't repair but oversee the repairs for a price. Oversee a process in which they have no expertise? That's an interesting take. __________________

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So if DD make the module, why wouldn't they know how the movement works? Why wouldn't they understand how they go together? You need one for the other. Russell3 View Public Profile Send a private message to Russell3 Find all posts by Russell3

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Originally Posted by Russell3 So if DD make the module, why wouldn't they know how the movement works? Why wouldn't they understand how they go together? You need one for the other. The problem "is not with the movement", it is with the way the movement was cased and the hands were affixed, neither of which is an area for DDs involvement. __________________

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Originally Posted by Flyback Is there some harm caused by a reasonable exchange of ideas?

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No Brad there is no harm in reasonable exchange of idea's but it seems this is getting heated. A disagreement of viewpoint that is debated within reason, which this discussion has been, is not heated. __________________

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Just wondering what the delays on the release of the joint statement may be ? I think all the above might be true, this is definitely a mess. __________________

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IMHO seeing that no one except us WG's and the ones that seem to know more then any of us WG's Jim to Mike have been silent so far unlike other days...IMO I do think they were ask not to response to anymore ? on this DD issue. Only ones that do

chime in are the MOD's.

Jumping to conclusions can be bad exercise... We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves....

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Originally Posted by njma53 IMHO seeing that no one except us WG's and the ones that seem to know more then any of us WG's Jim to Mike have been silent so far unlike other days...IMO I do think they were ask not to response to anymore ? on this DD issue. Only ones that do chime in are the MOD's.

Jumping to conclusions can be bad exercise... We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves....

Oh well. I'm bored with this discussion. On to something else. __________________

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Originally Posted by Flyback The problem "is not with the movement", it is with the way the movement was cased and the hands were affixed, neither of which is an area for DDs involvement. We all know that the module was not the issue, but by saying DD will over see repairs gives the mishap a feel good quality. Smoke & Mirrors But I digress Brad. Its 12:00 am on the east coast and I need to see a pillow. Thank you for the debate Sir

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I'm glad to see this part of the discussion, has now ended on a friendly note... Healthy discussions are good as long as they stay like this one... Friendly! __________________

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Silence ... silence is supposedly golden but I remember back in the day when momma caught me with my hand in the cookie jar that if I said nothing and acted as if I had done nothing wrong at all and also stopped chewing on the cookie that was already in my mouth that as long as I tried to keep up that appearance I avoided all trouble of fessin up to momma that I was caught doing wrong again until I could come up with a really good story as to why I did what I did. Currently silence is the best answer I think we are going to receive. I must ask a question though ... Were there mistakes made? Was there shady dealings? Were there deceptions? At this point in time just what will any statements give us? Why cant we just let this all rest and let the silence speak for itself? Personally I'm letting the silence answer all the questions I had and those answers will also reflect on most if not all my future purchases ... possibly we all might want to do the same and let this poor little pony heal. X-James View Public Profile Send a private message to X-James

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From having traced the trajectory of this issue from the beginning, it seems that some things were said by Mr. Eyal Lalo during the sale of the time piece on ShopNBC, where he appeared (I actually watched that one), that are now in question. Specifically, it seems that although he said that DD and Invicta worked very closely in developing this watch, this is probably not the case. Also, on this site, it was stated that the problem was DD's problem because of some "module". Now, it also seems that this was never the case. What we do know is that the movement is a genuine DD movement. We also know that the manufacturing process left a lot to be desired because of the resulting fail rate of the time piece. Again, this points to Invicta. To me, it puts into question Mr. Lalo's credibility, or the credibility of whomever is responsible for the information he gave during his presentation. But, being that he is the CEO of Invicta, and this was a project he supposedly was so personally interested and involved with, it stands to reason that he would have known the discrepancies. At least that is my take on it. In the end, we will probably never know the truth of what actually happened. For those that got a damaged Speedway Elite, this is a bad situation because of the expense paid by them ($1000 USD). But, I also wonder about the other purchasers that ARE NOT part of this forum and don't follow this kind of thing on the net. Is Invicta going to send them a notice so that they can be aware that a part may be missing from their watch that can cause this issue? Either way, personally, I don't see a statement ever coming. I tell you what, however, it sure was a beautifully designed watch (especially that two-tone). I almost purchased one. NCEngineer View Public Profile Send a private message to NCEngineer Find all posts by NCEngineer Add NCEngineer to Your Contacts #66 Today, 06:14 AM

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Yes it is, the two tone and stainless is a very very nice watch and for the 47 size is just right. after this situation is fixed( I hope) invicta brings back the GRAND SPEEDWAY because that's what you do best. IMHO

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ok got a case # today for #153 DD speedway. wish me luck! zulumack View Public Profile Send a private message to zulumack Find all posts by zulumack Add zulumack to Your Contacts #68 Today, 06:47 AM Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 524

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I do not think an answer from Invicta would be able to explain all the strange going ons. It would just bring up more questions that I do not think they want to answer. Invicta has a reservoir of goodwill for making a lot of affordable fun watches over the years. I think some of us will cut them a lot of slack for this DD misstep because of that. Rodeoboy View Public Profile Send a private message to Rodeoboy Find all posts by Rodeoboy Add Rodeoboy to Your Contacts #69 Today, 07:14 AM

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I finally got my replacement watch last night after waiting for weeks. I slowly opened the box and found my hour hand slightly off again (bummer). This time, it is slightly off (almost acceptable), but at this price point, it should be perfect...shouldn't it? It is

offset by about .12 minutes (which equates to the hour hand being lined up when the minute hand is around 7 minutes before the hour). Think I might send it in for repair this time instead of replacement, but what bums me out, is I thought the reason my replacement took so long, is because they pulled back all the merchandise to check it before sending out replacements??? I am confused... And where is this announcement???? kabfoto View Public Profile Send a private message to kabfoto Find all posts by kabfoto Add kabfoto to Your Contacts #70 Today, 07:36 AM

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where did you send it the first time? zulumack View Public Profile Send a private message to zulumack Find all posts by zulumack Add zulumack to Your Contacts #71 Today, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kabfoto I finally got my replacement watch last night after waiting for weeks. I slowly opened the box and found my hour hand slightly off again (bummer). This time, it is slightly off (almost acceptable), but at this price point, it should be perfect...shouldn't it? Just this week I received an inexpensive $59 Pro Diver 6021 and the hands line up perfectly, so ask yourself if they can get the hands to line up on a $59 watch why cant they get them to line up on a $1000 watch? For that price you should not expect anything less than perfection. If you like it and

are willing to have it fixed then follow the explained repair procedure but realize you will probably have the VP's paid before you get it back or else just return it and be done with the entire situation ... X-James View Public Profile Send a private message to X-James Find all posts by X-James Add X-James to Your Contacts #72 Today, 08:05 AM

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True....guess I am still trying to decide whether to send it in for repair, or send it back. I will not send it off for a second replacement. I am also pretty certain I am done with Invicta after this whole debacle. It's pretty sad, because I like a lot of the designs and the concept of getting a good timepiece at a lower cost. I can even deal with the CS issues (as long as they are working on fixing them), but from where I am sitting, it sure is looking like I have been lied to. I sure hope information comes out showing me that is not the case, but right now, that is the only conclusion I can draw (and I am not only speaking about this DD issue). kabfoto View Public Profile Send a private message to kabfoto Find all posts by kabfoto Add kabfoto to Your Contacts #73 Today, 08:11 AM

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draw (and I am not only speaking about this DD issue). You have valid points and thoughts but if I were you I would end up with the $1000 in my pocket or spent on ... well its your decision. X-James View Public Profile Send a private message to X-James Find all posts by X-James Add X-James to Your Contacts #74 Today, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kabfoto True....guess I am still trying to decide whether to send it in for repair, or send it back. I will not send it off for a second replacement. I am also pretty certain I am done with Invicta after this whole debacle. It's pretty sad, because I like a lot of the designs and the concept of getting a good timepiece at a lower cost. I can even deal with the CS issues (as long as they are working on fixing them), but from where I am sitting, it sure is looking like I have been lied to. I sure hope information comes out showing me that is not the case, but right now, that is the only conclusion I can draw (and I am not only speaking about this DD issue). If you really like the watch and can forget about all the other issues swirling around right now, consider another option. Take it to a local watchmaker and get an estimate on a fix. I suspect it is less than $75 and 1 or 2 days at the most. They might be able to do it even quicker. Notice I am not dealing with any of the issues about "you shouldn't have to fix a brand new watch out of the box...". No, you shouldn't. But that isn't the point here. Just something to think about. If it were me I would just go local, fix it, and wear the watch and forget about it. (I didn't care for it or I would be right there with you.) Do whatever will make you happy... Grumpyface View Public Profile Send a private message to Grumpyface Find all posts by Grumpyface Add Grumpyface to Your Contacts #75 Today, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kabfoto Wow....I know I replied to this thread with something I thought was funny...guess someone didn't find it too funny...my post has dissappeared. I thought it was most informative.

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I got this in my email today.

Do you think the CEO borrowed the Invicta Watch Puppy's "invisibility blanky"? Timing for this Sunday Run Email Cartoon is priceless! Time Bandit View Public Profile Send a private message to Time Bandit Send email to Time Bandit Find all posts by Time Bandit Add Time Bandit to Your Contacts #78 Today, 10:07 AM

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I would like to see a response. As far as posts getting deleted, for every one that gets deleted on this forum, far worse ones show up on others so a timely response is important to end this as soon as possible. battleshipduke View Public Profile Send a private message to battleshipduke Send email to battleshipduke Find all posts by battleshipduke Add battleshipduke to Your Contacts #79 Today, 10:11 AM Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 115

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Originally Posted by Time Bandit I got this in my email today. Do you think the CEO borrowed the Invicta Watch Puppy's "invisibility blanky"? Timing for this Sunday Run Email Cartoon is priceless! a little foreshadowing? knapplink View Public Profile Send a private message to knapplink Find all posts by knapplink Add knapplink to Your Contacts #80 Today, 10:28 AM

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Jim, Michael - Where is the response? It's near the end of the week! What's up? maxkonin View Public Profile Send a private message to maxkonin Find all posts by maxkonin Add maxkonin to Your Contacts #81 Today, 11:31 AM Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 73 Real Name: Rich

rmacwhade Member Member Geek is this invictas watergate

maybe we should call it watchgate i know larry or wing would be all over this if it were there problem i guess the only way we will .here from elyal is when wants us to buy something rich rmacwhade View Public Profile Send a private message to rmacwhade Find all posts by rmacwhade Add rmacwhade to Your Contacts #82 Today, 11:51 AM

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Maybe we should all just realize no response is going to happen. We were told Eyal was gong to attend to this matter first thing Monday (6/13) when DD was open for business. Well, they have been open all week unless there is some sort of holiday in Switzerland that I am unfamiliar with. Plus it is officially 9:15 PM on Friday and DD is back being closed for the weekend. Jim, you stated in your thread, you don't understand why people are saying Eyal is not responding??? Does this answer that question? It is becuase he ISN'T! Sorry, but this is ridiculous and as a long time customer of Invicta's (as many others are on here), I feel like we are owed that respect if Eyal wants to keep my business.

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Originally Posted by kabfoto Maybe we should all just realize no response is going to happen. We were told Eyal was gong to attend to this matter first thing Monday (6/13) when DD was open for business. Well, they have been open all week unless there is some sort of holiday in Switzerland that I am unfamiliar with. Plus it is officially 9:15 PM on Friday and DD is back being closed for the weekend. Jim, you stated in your thread, you don't understand why people are saying Eyal is not responding??? Does this answer that question? It is becuase he ISN'T! Sorry, but this is ridiculous and as a long time customer of Invicta's (as many others are on here), I feel like we are owed that respect if Eyal wants to keep my business. Did the hands fall off his watch? Lose track of time? knapplink View Public Profile Send a private message to knapplink Find all posts by knapplink Add knapplink to Your Contacts #84 Today, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyback 1. I can't imagine DD would recreate history for Invicta or anyone for that matter, if indeed they've even been asked to. 2. DD makes movements, they don't case watches or affix dials and hands, so once again, what involvement could they possibly have in the repairs of misaligned hands and the height of the dial over the DD module? 3. Chump change is chump change, it buys nobody and certainly not anyone's deceit. Brad is probably right that Dubois-Depraz is too "old school" to accept any sort of inducement to help Invicta pull its biscuits out of the fire especially now that there can be virtually no question that it was Invicta's poor assembly and not the D-D module itself which is responsible for the defective Speedways. However Russell, your insight into the Invicta mindset is superb. I would bet money that the approach Invicta has taken to this embarrassing publicity nightmare is exactly or very nearly the one you surmise. The fact that Invicta and Dubois-Depraz have issued a much ballyhooed "tokin'" announcement of a forthcoming joint statement appears now to be nothing more than a gracious gesture by Dubois-Depraz to give Invicta more time to formulate a response to the interested parties (or no further response at all, also a strategy remaining very much in play). Note that the announcement commits D-D to nothing and already has wrung from Invicta the key concession that Dubois-Depraz has no liability. Of course the success of Russell's very creative approach is entirely dependent on DD's business integrity, but from Invicta's point of view, having (themselves and via Shop personnel) made a series of irresponsible statements implicating Dubois-Depraz, can there be a more expedient tactic to make this headache go away than the one Russell suggests? Business ethics aside, sounds like Yoda speaking good practical damage control to me. For Invicta what's the harm, what further damage can this hush-hush approach entered into in private negotiations with D-D do to Invicta's already sullied reputation?

If a joint statement is indeed forthcoming then I think the reason for the delay is that Dubois-Depraz is refusing to help Invicta engage in its default strategy of perception management, and Invicta is now left wholly to their own devices to answer the unanswerable. The trouble is Invicta is struggling to craft a statement explaining its groundless charges about the D-D module which will both allow Invicta to save face and satisfy Dubois-Depraz. If a joint statement is not forthcoming or what is offered does not explain the many patently contradictory claims that have been made by the parties, then I think we are left to wonder whether or not some sort of inducement was offered and accepted. jackson View Public Profile Send a private message to jackson Find all posts by jackson Add jackson to Your Contacts #85 Today, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jackson Brad is probably right that Dubois-Depraz is too "old school" to accept any sort of inducement to help Invicta pull its biscuits out of the fire especially now that there can be virtually no question that it was Invicta's poor assembly and not the D-D module itself which is responsible for the defective Speedways. However Russell, your insight into the Invicta mindset is superb. I would bet money that the approach Invicta has taken to this embarrassing publicity nightmare is exactly or very nearly the one you surmise. The fact that Invicta and Dubois-Depraz have issued a much ballyhooed "tokin'" announcement of a forthcoming joint statement appears now to be nothing more than a gracious gesture by Dubois-Depraz to give Invicta more time to formulate a response to the interested parties (or no further response at all, also a strategy remaining very much in play). Note that the announcement commits D-D to nothing and already has wrung from Invicta the key concession that Dubois-Depraz has no liability. Of course the success of Russell's very creative approach is entirely dependent on D-D's business integrity, but from Invicta's point of view, having (themselves and via Shop personnel) made a series of irresponsible statements implicating DuboisDepraz, can there be a more expedient tactic to make this headache go away than the one Russell suggests? Business ethics aside, sounds like Yoda speaking good

practical damage control to me. For Invicta what's the harm, what further damage can this hush-hush approach entered into in private negotiations with D-D do to Invicta's already sullied reputation? If a joint statement is indeed forthcoming then I think the reason for the delay is that Dubois-Depraz is refusing to help Invicta engage in its default strategy of perception management, and Invicta is now left wholly to their own devices to answer the unanswerable. The trouble is Invicta is unable thus far to craft a statement explaining its groundless charges about the D-D module which will both allow Invicta to save face and satisfy Dubois-Depraz. If a joint statement is not forthcoming, and nothing further is said on the matter by either party, then I think we are left to wonder whether or not some sort of inducement was offered and accepted. I like the way you think Russell3 View Public Profile Send a private message to Russell3 Find all posts by Russell3 Add Russell3 to Your Contacts #86 Today, 12:20 PM

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Ya know I may be wrong and if I am I'm sure many will relish in showing me that I am wrong but I dont remember DD saying anything that they would make a statement or joint statement with Invicta ... did Mr Becker of DD say they would make a joint statement on 6/14 or did somebody else imply for them that it would be a joint statement. They have made the statement saying it is there module but Invicta bought the movements from other sources and not directly fron them ... that is what I remember but then I may be wrong. Where did DD say that they and Invicta were going to make a joint statement together? I have yet to even see a direct statement from either Eyal or DD that either were going to be making any statements in regards to anythign at all. We should be asking those who spoke for them where the statements are since they are the ones who said they were going to be giving one/them. X-James View Public Profile Send a private message to X-James Find all posts by X-James

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I seriously doubt any "joint" statement is being made. Everything I can find out on the web only speaks of DD denying selling Invicta this movement and also speaks of DD never directly doing business with Invicta. So it is very hard for me to believe some sort of "joint" statement is going to be made. We can't even get the CEO of the company that put out this watch to acknowledge us with a personal message and instead is speaking through others and canot be found. kabfoto View Public Profile Send a private message to kabfoto Find all posts by kabfoto Add kabfoto to Your Contacts #88 Today, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kabfoto Maybe we should all just realize no response is going to happen. We were told Eyal was gong to attend to this matter first thing Monday (6/13) when DD was open for business. Well, they have been open all week unless there is some sort of holiday in Switzerland that I am unfamiliar with. Plus it is officially 9:15 PM on Friday and DD is back being closed for the weekend. Jim, you stated in your thread, you don't understand why people are saying Eyal is not responding??? Does this answer that question? It is becuase he ISN'T! Sorry, but this is ridiculous and as a long time customer of Invicta's (as many others are on here), I feel like we are owed that respect if Eyal wants to keep my business. Ditto! kless13 View Public Profile Send a private message to kless13 Find all posts by kless13 Add kless13 to Your Contacts

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Originally Posted by X-James Ya know I may be wrong and if I am I'm sure many will relish in showing me that I am wrong but I dont remember DD saying anything that they would make a statement or joint statement with Invicta ... did Mr Becker of DD say they would make a joint statement on 6/14 or did somebody else imply for them that it would be a joint statement. They basicly has made the statement saying it is there module that was used but they were sold to Invicta by them ... that is what I remember but then I may be wrong. Where was it said that DD and Invicta were going to make a joint statement? I thought it was all Eyal Lalo that was going to be making statements as to these new problems he has created for himself. Same thought at the same time kabfoto View Public Profile Send a private message to kabfoto Find all posts by kabfoto Add kabfoto to Your Contacts #90 Today, 12:34 PM

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Lack of response leads to wide speculation. kless13 View Public Profile Send a private message to kless13 Find all posts by kless13 Add kless13 to Your Contacts #91

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Originally Posted by Flyback Is there some harm caused by a reasonable exchange of ideas? Yes, we've been told that the "reasonable exchange of ideas" (aka 'speculation', 'credible speculation', etc.) ahead of the announced joint statement is "a bunch of blather". jackson View Public Profile Send a private message to jackson Find all posts by jackson Add jackson to Your Contacts #92 Today, 12:37 PM

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"I just got off the phone with Eyal and need to update everyone on some facts. It is now clear that there was a misunderstanding on this whole matter. An official statement would be forthcoming by Invicta (Eyal Lalo) and D-D (Mr. Chris Becker) together, in a few days. In the interim there are some facts that must be mentioned: • • •

All movements are guaranteed to be authentic DD Mr. Chris Becker is a legitimate and correct person in the United States and does represent D-D Directly, I do apologize if I assumed otherwise. The issues with the movement are not an outcome of DD or their module. The Technical issue has been determined to be in the Dial level placement over the movement and some of the hand tolerance being used - It has been determined that by ordering the proper part (a washer to raise the dial over the movement) from D-D Invicta can solve the problems that has occurred on some of the models

This is my final statement on this matter until I release the official statement from Eyal and Mr. Becker. That will be sent to me directly to distribute.

Feel free to distribute this information wherever you'd like.......

-Jim"

That quote is from this thread http://watchgeeks.net/showthread.php?t=111643 So according to Jim there is supposed to be a "joint" statement; at least that is what my interpretation of "together" means. new2watches View Public Profile Send a private message to new2watches Find all posts by new2watches Add new2watches to Your Contacts #93 Today, 12:40 PM

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And then there was this: Everyone can relax now. Just received this email from Chris Becker from DD from Christopher Becker <********.com> reply-to Christopher Becker <*******.com> date Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:57 PM subject Re: Dubois-Depraz and Invicta We have determined today that the movement is in fact genuine, and that there are no technical problems associated with the movement from the factory. An official statement will be issued on the net shortly.

Best, Chris But how long is "Shortly". I guess at least 5 days. maxkonin View Public Profile Send a private message to maxkonin Find all posts by maxkonin Add maxkonin to Your Contacts #95 Today, 12:57 PM

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I would fathom a guess that DD is awaiting the public statement from Invicta before making any statement since this is Invicta's problem and not theirs. It would be serious bad protocol to make a statement before Invicta makes a statment. X-James View Public Profile Send a private message to X-James Find all posts by X-James Add X-James to Your Contacts #96

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Here we are at the end of the work week and not so much as a peep. This might be a good example of "actions speaking louder than words". BadMax View Public Profile Send a private message to BadMax Find all posts by BadMax Add BadMax to Your Contacts #97 Today, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by new2watches "I just got off the phone with Eyal and need to update everyone on some facts. It is now clear that there was a misunderstanding on this whole matter. An official statement would be forthcoming by Invicta (Eyal Lalo) and D-D (Mr. Chris Becker) together, in a few days. In the interim there are some facts that must be mentioned: • • •

This is my final statement on this matter until I release the official statement from Eyal and Mr. Becker. That will be sent to me directly to distribute.

Feel free to distribute this information wherever you'd like.......

-Jim"

Originally Posted by maxkonin And then there was this: Everyone can relax now. Just received this email from Chris Becker from DD from Christopher Becker <********.com> reply-to Christopher Becker <*******.com> date Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:57 PM subject Re: Dubois-Depraz and Invicta We have determined today that the movement is in fact genuine, and that there are no technical problems associated with the movement from the factory. An official statement will be issued on the net shortly.

Best, Chris But how long is "Shortly". I guess at least 5 days. The first quote is what Eyal told Jim. The second quote from Mr. Becker does not mention a "joint" statement, only "AN" official statement. jackson View Public Profile Send a private message to jackson Find all posts by jackson Add jackson to Your Contacts #98 Today, 01:05 PM Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: THA BRONX Posts: 285

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Originally Posted by maxkonin And then there was this:

Everyone can relax now. Just received this email from Chris Becker from DD from Christopher Becker <********.com> reply-to Christopher Becker <*******.com> date Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:57 PM subject Re: Dubois-Depraz and Invicta We have determined today that the movement is in fact genuine, and that there are no technical problems associated with the movement from the factory. An official statement will be issued on the net shortly.

Best, Chris But how long is "Shortly". I guess at least 5 days. this email seems suspect to me.. the format of the original was totally different.. why is his email addy gone from this one it was in the first?? why is the heading different? why is his signature with his full name and title missing i was in the first? i smell bovine feces.. sunaru View Public Profile Send a private message to sunaru Find all posts by sunaru Add sunaru to Your Contacts #99 Today, 01:05 PM

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Oh well, their loss, not mine. My box and watch are sitting nicely at home with a return label....all I have to do is stop by the local USPS. kabfoto View Public Profile Send a private message to kabfoto Find all posts by kabfoto Add kabfoto to Your Contacts #100 Today, 01:08 PM

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I feel that the longer it takes to hear a statement isn't good for Invicta. If the movements were purchased directly form D-D then it would not take this long to write an explaination as to what happened. My thought is that Invicta's lawyers are offering a bribe for one of the biggest watch cover-ups of all time. Doesn't look good and if the statement is ever released I'm not sure I will buy it as being the truth. __________________ Time to Watch as Time Passes Away

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The awaited statement might be difficult to draft by Invicta so not to contradict statements made on ShopNBC when it aired and posts here? __________________

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We began this crazy ride in the Spring. We might not get a response until Summer!!!