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UPDATE: New info on the supposed "Debacle" over the validity of D-D movements
I just got off the phone with Eyal and need to update everyone on some facts. It is now clear that there was a misunderstanding on this whole matter. An official statement would be forthcoming by Invicta (Eyal Lalo) and D-D (Mr. Chris Becker) together, in a few days. In the interim there are some facts that must be mentioned:
All movements are guaranteed to be authentic DD Mr. Chris Becker is a legitimate and correct person in the United States and does represent D-D Directly, I do apologize if I assumed otherwise. The issues with the movement are not an outcome of DD or their module. The Technical issue has been determined to be in the Dial level placement over the movement and some of the hand tolerance being used - It has been determined that by ordering the proper part (a washer to raise the dial over the movement) from D-D Invicta can solve the problems that has occurred on some of the models
This is my final statement on this matter until I release the official statement from Eyal and Mr. Becker. That will be sent to me directly to distribute.
Feel free to distribute this information wherever you'd like....... -Jim
****** EDIT ****** After posting my thread, this was posted. A direct reply from Mr. Becker from D-D on the subject.
from Christopher Becker <********.com> reply-to Christopher Becker <*******.com> date Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:57 PM subject Re: Dubois-Depraz and Invicta
We have determined today that the movement is in fact genuine, and that there are no technical problems associated with the movement from the factory. An official statement will be issued on the net shortly.
Best, Chris __________________
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Outstanding! Thanks Jim. maxkonin View Public Profile Send a private message to maxkonin Find all posts by maxkonin Add maxkonin to Your Contacts #4 Today, 02:22 PM
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Thanks for the update Jimbo. __________________
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Good to know. Sounds like a simple fix. bigjimzlll View Public Profile Send a private message to bigjimzlll Find all posts by bigjimzlll Add bigjimzlll to Your Contacts #6 Today, 02:26 PM Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,483
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Thanks for keeping us on top of this.
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Will he include details about where the movements were obtained (DD/other)? Who were the "stern" conversations with? Status of "ongoing projets" with DD? Were watches really shipped to DD for repair? What he did over the weekend? knapplink View Public Profile Send a private message to knapplink Find all posts by knapplink Add knapplink to Your Contacts #8 Today, 02:28 PM Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: OHIO Posts: 8,110
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Thanks for the update Jim... __________________
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Thanks. So we go from Mr Becker stating that DD has never dealt with Invicta, nor purchased any movements, to "misunderstanding". Guess I will have to wait until the official statement for clarity because with only statements from DD all I can see is a blur. EnglishNobelman View Public Profile Send a private message to EnglishNobelman Find all posts by EnglishNobelman Add EnglishNobelman to Your Contacts #10
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1st post updated. This could not possibly be more clear right now. Again, an official statement IS FORTHCOMING FROM INVICTA & D-D JOINTLY, SOON...... __________________
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It appears from the statement from Jim, that Mr Becker may have been misinformed about the status of the customer relationship between DD and Invicta. A joint statement from Invicta and DD (Mr Becker) should clear it all up. Then we will all be happy campers with nice timepieces. maxkonin View Public Profile Send a private message to maxkonin Find all posts by maxkonin Add maxkonin to Your Contacts #12 Today, 02:38 PM
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While I appreciate Jim's response it doesn't clear the air from the email that our member qwikfix received from Mr. Becker. Mr. Becker claimed all along that there was no contact between Invicta and DD and that Invicta was not a customer of theirs, that on Friday 6/11 Mr. Becker received and email directly from Eyal stating that the issue was resolved and the hands were the issue. With Jim's acceptance of Mr. Becker's position with DD it gives even more credence to the email that qwikfix received. Still a lot of unanswered questions regarding what was claimed before and what is coming to light. DD is going to protect their reputation. If the movements didn't come directly from DD as was claimed, and DD is sticking to this claim, where did they come from? Do an internet search on this issue and you will find DD/Mr. Becker sticking to his claims in the emails. Doesn't sound like confusion on his part. Remember his validity as the North American DD contact was really only doubted here.
Time will tell. Now to add to the "blur" qwikfix's post with his email from Mr. Becker is gone. Last edited by new2watches; Today at 02:49 PM. Reason: Updated on qwikfix's missing thread
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Originally Posted by EnglishNobelman Thanks. So we go from Mr Becker stating that DD has never dealt with Invicta, nor purchased any movements, to "misunderstanding". Guess I will have to wait until the official statement for clarity because with only statements from DD all I can see is a blur. Mr Becker sounds like a person In a position to know things. He would certainly know
If the company he represents deals with Invicta or not. He said that DD did not. Now everything Is peachy? blur Indeed.
Just going by what I have seen with my own two eyes, a
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OK! that's great! now do they all go back to get the washer?working right or not? and can we get some type of certificate please from DD that would go a long way to make us all very happy thanks JIM zulumack View Public Profile Send a private message to zulumack Find all posts by zulumack Add zulumack to Your Contacts #16 Today, 02:50 PM
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Thank you for the update will be waiting for the final statement. __________________
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Jim, The updated information is much appreciated. I will await with eager anticipation the upcoming official statement regarding the matter from D-D and Invicta.
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Hmmm, maybe DD purchase wasn't thru N American channels? Well thats a sigh of relief for all purchasers! Now lets see how the repair goes. Krazy View Public Profile Send a private message to Krazy Find all posts by Krazy Add Krazy to Your Contacts #20 Today, 03:04 PM
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Thank you Jim for this info. __________________ ACHIEVEMENT: If you done it , it ain't bragging. - Will Rogers gwing View Public Profile Send a private message to gwing Send email to gwing
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Happy that the Movements are indeed real... for all that have invested in this watch... My only concerns that I have is all the past statements made by Invicta as a Team on the Air selling of this product.. I want to beleive that we were not mislead by the facts presented when selling this product as all of us are well aware of the facts when they air this on the shop....and in posts as well here at WG's... Sometime when pushing a product not always are there True facts being presented.... and from what I have seen and read there is alot of unawnser questions still... My concern lies with Invicta as the truth on the facts that were said about this watch being presented on the Shop. "Honesty is the best policy" in my book.. as I live by that and have taught my Boys the same... I want to continue to buy Invicta but I want to also believe in there product line as well.. and Yes I own a few watch's and NO never had a issue with any what so ever.. I want to Stress this is NOT A BASH toward Invicta or anyone else at WG's Just a simple Question or questions on the truth of all facts.. Many know me here as I have sold many watch's and have traded as well.. Thanks God bless Tony __________________
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Wow, the sapphire-mineral crystal issues with the Lupah Reserve, the QC issues with the Lupah Reserve, the Swiss = Swiss Made issue, now the DD movement issue with the Speedway Reserve ... Does this happen to other well-known fashion watch companies as well? When I first got into Invicta about five years ago, this was unheard of, especially with the Reserve Line. What happened? NCEngineer View Public Profile Send a private message to NCEngineer Find all posts by NCEngineer Add NCEngineer to Your Contacts #29 Today, 03:51 PM
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Thanks Jim for the update - maybe this will end this issue once and for all. __________________ Remember what we do in life echoes in eternity
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Jim, many thanks for the update. I really hope that Eyal and SNBC can get these back on sale so I can re-purchase as my exchange was cancelled due to the recall--I am still keen to get one! Cheers, PJ PJ View Public Profile Send a private message to PJ Find all posts by PJ Add PJ to Your Contacts #33 Today, 04:14 PM Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Hollywood, FL Posts: 41
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Thanks Jim. I truly appreciate your role in this. Also it is good to know that my watch is what I thought it was when I bought it. Now, let's get back to business. JacksBlues View Public Profile Send a private message to JacksBlues Find all posts by JacksBlues
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Originally Posted by maxkonin It appears from the statement from Jim, that Mr Becker may have been misinformed about the status of the customer relationship between DD and Invicta. A joint statement from Invicta and DD (Mr Becker) should clear it all up. Then we will all be happy campers with nice timepieces. Exactly his statement that I read yesterday and what it said it didn't make sence, 1 don't do buis. with Invicta,2 never sold any I believe it was, and then saying he got an E-Mail from Eyal saying it was a hand problem. Now we can all rest assured that their was no conspiracy against the people by Invicta and it was just a honest misake, one maybe that could have been corrected at the factory who knows. But now all us Invicta fans can rest easy, and all those because of this was not gonna buy a watch from them because of this can feel free to do so. chitown View Public Profile Send a private message to chitown Send email to chitown Find all posts by chitown Add chitown to Your Contacts #35 Today, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by new2watches While I appreciate Jim's response it doesn't clear the air from the email that our member qwikfix received from Mr. Becker. Mr. Becker claimed all along that there was no contact between Invicta and DD and that Invicta was not a customer of theirs, that on Friday 6/11 Mr. Becker received and email directly from Eyal stating that the issue was resolved and the hands were the issue. With Jim's acceptance of Mr. Becker's position with DD it gives even more credence to the email that qwikfix received.
Still a lot of unanswered questions regarding what was claimed before and what is coming to light. DD is going to protect their reputation. If the movements didn't come directly from DD as was claimed, and DD is sticking to this claim, where did they come from? Do an internet search on this issue and you will find DD/Mr. Becker sticking to his claims in the emails. Doesn't sound like confusion on his part. Remember his validity as the North American DD contact was really only doubted here. Time will tell. Now to add to the "blur" qwikfix's post with his email from Mr. Becker is gone. I agree! Russell3 View Public Profile Send a private message to Russell3 Find all posts by Russell3 Add Russell3 to Your Contacts #36 Today, 05:18 PM Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,519
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Jim, as an owner of one of these watches, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE your gracious 'updates' ... ... which, of course, include the new information pertaining to the authenticity of the movements! However, regarding these 'missing washers' - does this 'oversight' apply to ALL watches (including those, like mine, that 'seem' to be 'properly functioning') or - OR! - just those that have 'experienced difficulties!' _______________________________ â&#x152;&#x2DC; _______________________________ Inquiring mindZ - line mine - would LOVE to know if this problem is limited to a
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Thx Jim for the update. It's good to know the DD movt's are legit... __________________
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Originally Posted by new2watches While I appreciate Jim's response it doesn't clear the air from the email that our member qwikfix received from Mr. Becker. Mr. Becker claimed all along that there was no contact between Invicta and DD and that Invicta was not a customer of theirs, that on Friday 6/11 Mr. Becker received and email directly from Eyal stating that the issue was resolved and the hands were the issue. With Jim's acceptance of Mr. Becker's position with DD it gives even more credence to the email that qwikfix received. Still a lot of unanswered questions regarding what was claimed before and what is coming to light. DD is going to protect their reputation. If the movements didn't come directly from DD as was claimed, and DD is sticking to this claim, where did they come from? Do an internet search on this issue and you will find DD/Mr. Becker sticking to his claims in the emails. Doesn't sound like confusion on his part. Remember his validity as the North American DD contact was really only doubted here.
Time will tell. Now to add to the "blur" qwikfix's post with his email from Mr. Becker is gone. Some very good points... and why did the original Becker email disappear???? JTY123 View Public Profile Send a private message to JTY123 Find all posts by JTY123 Add JTY123 to Your Contacts #39 Today, 05:36 PM
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It's nice reading that the D-D modular is authentic. I'm sure all Invicta owners feel the same way. __________________
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why is the email addy blocked on the response?? it wasn't before.. either way i will l wait for the official update.. thanks Jim for the update either way.... sunaru View Public Profile Send a private message to sunaru Find all posts by sunaru Add sunaru to Your Contacts #41 Today, 05:37 PM Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,519
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Originally Posted by NCEngineer Wow, the sapphire-mineral crystal issues with the Lupah Reserve, the QC issues with the Lupah Reserve, the Swiss = Swiss Made issue, now the DD movement issue with the Speedway Reserve ... Does this happen to other well-known fashion watch companies as well? When I first got into Invicta about five years ago, this was unheard of, especially with the Reserve Line. What happened?
FYI, w/o beating a dead horse, I've tried to 'intersperse' as many references as I could ... ... in any/all of the threads I've seen covering Invicta's latest debacle. _______________________________ â&#x152;&#x2DC; _______________________________ FWIW, regarding OTHER watch co.'s, I can unhesitatingly report that, YES!, IT DOES; i.e., ... ... the "Swiss Watch" Industry is rife with 'horror stories' about lack of oversight and/or downright deception, ... ... particularly with regard to systemic/pervasive issues with certain movement designs. ... w/o 'resurrecting the dead horse', much of this applies to 'manufactures' like Omega, TAG-Heuer, 'et al' _______________________________ â&#x152;&#x2DC; _______________________________ NB: my use of 'et al' - rather than 'etc.' - was purposely-done to 'invoke' a legal term! __________________
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