Return-Path: <cdb@sprintmail.com> Received: from mx17.vgs.untd.com (mx17.vgs.untd.com [10.181.44.47]) by maildeliver02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABGBFKSXAQDBFLS for <watchlords@juno.com> (sender <cdb@sprintmail.com>); Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: None Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by mx17.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABGBFKSWAXV6ENA for <watchlords@juno.com> (sender <cdb@sprintmail.com>); Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:09:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=sprintmail.com; b=sKGE+N9qyyZYkIjpRrWJVAln4shoFYxhrI0CM8sgEygJ0TuEG4PXd9Dj5dTIdaAm; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Cc:Mime-Version:ContentTransfer-Encoding:X-M ailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.30] (helo=mswamuichipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from <cdb@sprintmail.com>) id 1ONBTv-00072p-OK; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:09:39 -0400 Received: from 208.54.90.22 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:09:39 -0400 Message-ID: <5074578.1276290579634.JavaMail.root@mswamuichipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net&g t; Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:09:39 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Christopher Becker <cdb@sprintmail.com> Reply-To: Christopher Becker <cdb@sprintmail.com> To: "Admin@watchlords.com" <watchlords@juno.com> Subject: Re: Dubois 2021 & Invicta fiasco Cc: padubois@dubois-depraz.ch, emetzger@dubois-depraz.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: ec517bfefc5c3d6fe199a3537d32ba3c9eac6698008a7c4248d8ed091b0abbd96f9391f b94db1521350badd9ba b72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.30 X-UNTD-BodySize: 7693 X-UNTD-SPF: None X-ContentStamp: 9:4:1181574342 X-MAILINFO:435d308938154539347d383934a094351d85995499d450f4315454edd1fd94b4a1 b4c4890d7d38 7d39ed441064cd20e095199d3434f559a0e5f1b0e48da9c0f18da934842910f9449544c db990819595ade9d584 a599a5e0e554e161704970f9e9a9c049497541c9f1511d2534389d7185c180749dc180a 989c421d9ed45ed41a4 7dd14545195dd489dd44dd39389519417474455d25559d04e1257179846150f0f961d04 95051c950b131fd80e5 0520098464ade184a0356400708da070f900f1f1c449a0b17d8dc9f0f1943850b4fded1 4c1259dd9a19da1bdd9
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Re: Dubois 2021 & Invicta fiasco From: Christopher Becker <cdb@sprintmail.com> To:"Admin@watchlords.com" <watchlords@juno.com> Cc:padubois@dubois-depraz.ch, emetzger@dubois-depraz.ch Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 02:09 PM Dear Alain,
Thank you for your e-mail. As a matter of fact, I received a call about this from someone inm New Jersey just last week.
We are currently investigating what has happened here, and can clearly state the following:
1) Invicta has never purchased a movement or module from Dubois-Depraz. We have had sporadic contact in the past, but to date no movement has ever been supplied to them.
2) The 2021 has been made by the hundreds of thousands, and "opinions" notwithstanding, we have never heard from any customer for this movement regarding the types of problems you have described. After hundreds of thousands, we think we would have by now if there were actually issues.
3) Since Invicta is not a customer of ours, we have no idea if the movements alluded to are in fact genuine DD modules or not. We have seen "duplicates" of our modules in the past (sadly, not bad ones, either), and if they are such, Invicta may very well not even be aware that they are, since they have never had the real thing to compare it to. If they are genuine, we do not know how many hands they passed through before they arrived at Invicta, and what treatment they were subject to.
4) We have contacted Invicta Watch and requested not only their reaction to your e-mail, but also 5-10 samples of cased watches with the modules to determine their origin (see 3) above) and initial sales point (both of which we can do). As you and your members are surely also aware, the casing procedure itself is very delicate and can de-regulate a chronometer-grade movement as well as cause damage to components, such as dials and hands, if done improperly.
5) Obviously, the President of Invicta has not had, nor would he have reason to have had, any "loud conversation" with Dubois-Depraz since he is not even a customer. I would be very surprised if he or anyone from his company publicly blamed DD for something of that nature as claimed; it is not his style as I have known him.
Any person making the types of claims you have mentioned in your e-mail should be advised to be very sure of their information, and the veracity of any information, before making pejorative public statements, especially on a national network.
You may feel free to post this response on your site, and we appreciate your keeping us informed of these events.
Kind regards,
Chris Becker Business Development Manager--Americas Dubois-Depraz SA