Ne78a detail specs clarifications and updates by Watch Geeks

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NE78A Detail Specs Clarifications and Updates

Clarifications and Updates to the NEW SII Caliber NE78A: The movement has a 28,800 VPH Frequency, same as the Valjoux 7750 and not 36,000, we will adjust all Specs relating to this movement. All NE78A calibers are made in JAPAN. This caliber does have a 45 hour power reserve. The watch (mainspring) is fully wound by turning the crown 55 times. If you plan to use a watch winder for this model, the rotary speed can be set at 30rpm, and will be fully charged within 60 minutes. Watch does contain 34 Jewels. Thank you, Team Invicta

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That's cool. Thanks for the update. Where did the confusion of 36,000 VPH originate anyway? __________________

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Thanks Eyal that clears things up a bit. Is there a reason why the chrono hand mimmicks a quartz? Thanks. __________________

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Thanks for the informative update re: the NEW SII Caliber NE78A movement. Have a good one. __________________

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Wow bpm r the same as Val 7750. But the price is certainly less I can live with that I'm n now on the 2 tone __________________

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Thanks for the update, Eyal! __________________

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36,000 or 28,800 bpm, who really cares? harlan.mcDonald@gmail.com View Public Profile

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Interesting...It still a great looking watch...I tried to 'google' the movement specs and came up with nothing..is the NE78A movement used in any other brands Seiko or otherwise..Are there any independent sources that can corroborate this vph discrepancy..Who first reported the NE78A movement as being 3600 and how was that info misconstrued..Thanks Eyal for setting the record straight.. Jon __________________

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Sounds like the SII version of the Cal8R28. __________________

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Does'nt seem like anything special anymore,would rather have a val. 7750 now. 405 hp View Public Profile Send a private message to 405 hp Send email to 405 hp Find all posts by 405 hp Add 405 hp to Your Contacts #11 03-09-2011, 01:07 PM

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Ur right Quote:

Originally Posted by 405 hp Does'nt seem like anything special anymore,would rather have a val. 7750 now. Great looking watch but not special as originally represented __________________

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Glad to see this is cleared up... I remember when I first saw it air, I noticed the chrono-hand

wasn't sweeping anywhere as smooth as a 36,000 bph movement should, so I'm not too surprised to hear this. I imagine that early purchasers of the Ocean Speedway with this movement might be a little disappointed when they see this.

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Originally Posted by harlan.mcDonald@gmail.com 36,000 or 28,800 bpm, who really cares? People that originally bought the Ocean Speedway with this particular movement thinking that they were getting a 36,000 bph movement probably care, because I know I would. Quote:

Originally Posted by jackievictor Where did the confusion of 36,000 VPH originate anyway? It probably originated from people noticing that the chrono-seconds hand wasn't sweeping as smooth as it should be for an advertised 36,000 bph movement at the time. AclayPS3 View Public Profile Send a private message to AclayPS3 Find all posts by AclayPS3 Add AclayPS3 to Your Contacts #13 03-09-2011, 01:28 PM

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The real question is why wasn't this oversight caught at the timepieces debut?? Jon __________________

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I'll take my speedway DD over this one all day long,now thats a special watch 405 hp View Public Profile Send a private message to 405 hp Send email to 405 hp Find all posts by 405 hp Add 405 hp to Your Contacts #15 03-09-2011, 03:18 PM Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 9 Real Name: Edd

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Does this movement feature a vertical clutch an column/pillar wheel? These are what to me, seperate it from something like a 7750. If it does indeed have a clutch, this may explain the skipping behavior if it was slipping or badly adjusted? edd9000 View Public Profile Send a private message to edd9000 Find all posts by edd9000 Add edd9000 to Your Contacts #16 03-09-2011, 03:25 PM

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Thanks for the Heads Up on the beat count. I still think that speedway is the best looking new version yet, auto or quartz. __________________ Beatings will continue until morale improves Propwelder View Public Profile Send a private message to Propwelder Send email to Propwelder Find all posts by Propwelder Add Propwelder to Your Contacts #17 03-09-2011, 03:37 PM

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I for one appreciate the honesty and the correction. I was considering this piece and I am not sure how the info effects my decision. rjones1994 View Public Profile Send a private message to rjones1994 Find all posts by rjones1994 Add rjones1994 to Your Contacts #18

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I appreciate honesty as well..its the timing I question...Why weren't the correct specs on the movement not know or communicated through proper channels at the timepieces debut and how many geeks bought the watch thinking the VPH was one thing when it was actually another..Not an unreasonable question in my book.. Still in all a beautiful timepiece and I do appreciate Mr. Eyal Lalo making amends with respect to the movements VPH..It shows professionalism and that he is a good sport..I'm sure he is an incredibly busy man with his job and his family..and few if any CEO's would come out and make this statement... Well done Mr. Lalo Jon __________________

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So what's up with the chrono seconds hand? Is it suppose to studer like that? The chrono seconds hands operation was the true reason people did not purchase this watch. Even if it operates at 28,800 bph it should have a very smooth sweeping chrono seconds hand; has anyone that has purchased this watch received one with a smooth operating chrono seconds hand? I'm just asking, I would like to know. Franco View Public Profile Send a private message to Franco Find all posts by Franco Add Franco to Your Contacts #20 03-09-2011, 05:46 PM

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I believe it is as smooth as the second hand on my Pro Diver with the SW200. Fairfield View Public Profile Send a private message to Fairfield Find all posts by Fairfield Add Fairfield to Your Contacts #21 03-09-2011, 05:55 PM

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Who cares? Quote:

Originally Posted by AclayPS3 Glad to see this is cleared up... I remember when I first saw it air, I noticed the chronohand wasn't sweeping anywhere as smooth as a 36,000 bph movement should, so I'm not too surprised to hear this. I imagine that early purchasers of the Ocean Speedway with this movement might be a little disappointed when they see this.

People that originally bought the Ocean Speedway with this particular movement thinking that they were getting a 36,000 bph movement probably care, because I know I would.

It probably originated from people noticing that the chrono-seconds hand wasn't sweeping as smooth as it should be for an advertised 36,000 bph movement at the time. I would have cared, very much so !!! __________________

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good lookin out thanks for the update __________________

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I was happy to see Invicta posted a correction on the movement. I would think someone in Invicta knew the correct VPH when the movements were purchased. Appears there's a communications problem somewhere in the organization i.e., the correct specs weren't given to the marketing department. Someone dropped the ball. It's good that the correction came from Invicta first, then being discovered later and disclosed. __________________

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Seriously....why does Invicta keep on claiming things that's not correct and then when enough arguments are raised all over watch forums, then a "clarification thread" comes up correcting the initial claims. It has happened in the past with FF, Tritnite, Swiss Made controversy, sandstone dials, etc. For once, please stop claiming things which are not.......its no surprise most people outside ShopNBC circle and this forum, will never touch any Invicta by a mile. As much as I defend this brand on other watch forums, these things don't help in any way. To think people unknowingly believed this was a "v7750 equivalent". On top of that, I believe Jim mentioned that this movement may have been more expensive to implement than V7750. Any links to support that? Thanks. __________________ Invicta||Casio||Seiko||Hamilton|| SWI MrAutoGuy View Public Profile Send a private message to MrAutoGuy

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Can't argue with da man n red above. It does take away some of the impressiveness of the watch. When Jim starts his piece w a moment of silence for watch with such high beats u think that should b accrate info __________________

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Originally Posted by harlan.mcDonald@gmail.com 36,000 or 28,800 bpm, who really cares? I do and its a deal breaker for me. __________________

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I'm just wondering how many people will send them back because of this discrepency,they are still within the shops 30 day return policy 405 hp View Public Profile Send a private message to 405 hp Send email to 405 hp Find all posts by 405 hp Add 405 hp to Your Contacts #28 03-09-2011, 08:27 PM Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Currently, North Carolina. But, I travel worldwide as part of my job. Posts: 357

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Originally Posted by 405 hp I'm just wondering how many people will send them back because of this discrepency,they are still within the shops 30 day return policy

It's a good question, and we'll never know. For one thing, WGs were not the majority of the buyers for these models; we rarely are. Though, it seems like we are a huge forum with thousands and thousands of members, we only have a handful of active members and our collective buying power likely pales in comparison to the huge segment of the viewers that ShopNBC can reach out to. In this forum particularly, we have Invicta "die hard" fans that will not be significantly swayed by this new development. If the watch looks good and tells time to within reasonable accuracy (a subjective criteria), they will keep the watch and cheer that more may be in the works in the future. But, there are a number of collectors that were probably heavily influenced by the perceived "exclusivity" (something oftentimes touted on ShopNBC sales) of owning a movement with 36,000 VPH. The watch was heavily marketed on this particular oddity. So, for those folks, this will devalue - if that's the right word - this watch in their eyes. For me, purchasing a new - relatively "untested" movement - would not be a consideration at this juncture. However, the watch design is very nice and I congratulate current and future owners. But, I won't be one of those fortunate few. I'd rather wait and see what else develops out of this new movement and Invicta. I'm actually surprised that this oversight was not caught earlier. I mean, the actual watch was presented on ShopNBC as having a 36,000 VPH movement. Anyway, congrats to the owners of this watch and I wish them lots of luck with them. Those watches look great. NCEngineer View Public Profile Send a private message to NCEngineer Find all posts by NCEngineer Add NCEngineer to Your Contacts #29 03-09-2011, 08:36 PM

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@NCEngineer Just finished reading your comments and asked my self what else I would add, and realized you nicely/rationally covered all the bases, at least from my point of view. That said, all I've got to say is - here, here. __________________

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When the movements were ordered ahead of time from Seiko's

subsidiary..was Invicta made aware of the movements VPH at the time the sale was contracted?? Jon __________________

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Invicta, why not just buy the movement from Zenith? I know they still supply to Parmigiani so you should still be able to get them. Then you can 100% make a 36,000 VPM watch. Tandi View Public Profile Send a private message to Tandi Send email to Tandi Find all posts by Tandi Add Tandi to Your Contacts #32 03-09-2011, 08:51 PM

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The more I read on this site n on the net I'm feeling mis lead n deceived. I re watched jims initial video on shop n between what he n mike say this is wrong on mAny levels Without sounding like a hater I feel deceived __________________

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NCEngineer Very well said. I agree with you. For those that care about exclusivity this is a big deal or possible deal breaker. __________________

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Originally Posted by Flyback @NCEngineer Just finished reading your comments and asked my self what else I would add, and realized you nicely/rationally covered all the bases, at least from my point of view. That said, all I've got to say is - here, here.

Thanks, Brad. Quote:

Originally Posted by jwin66

When the movements were ordered ahead of time from Seiko's subsidiary..was Invicta made aware of the movements

VPH at the time the sale was contracted?? Jon Though it would certainly put Invicta "off" the proverbial hook to assume that maybe they were not informed as to what they were purchasing, I would imagine that a) Invicta must truly delve into what they are buying when they purchase and b) Invicta surely has at least a couple of watch makers test one, or two, of the watches for QC's sake. NCEngineer View Public Profile Send a private message to NCEngineer Find all posts by NCEngineer Add NCEngineer to Your Contacts #35 03-09-2011, 09:13 PM

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Sorry . . . to hear about this significant mistake. surferman View Public Profile Send a private message to surferman Find all posts by surferman Add surferman to Your Contacts #36 03-09-2011, 09:35 PM

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Unfortunately, those who purchased this watch for its "high beat" movement, but who don't belong to watch forums or happen to read an updated spec sheet on ShopNBC's website will never know that their watches aren't quite as advertised unless they happen to watch future presentations with updated info. __________________

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When the movements were ordered ahead of time from Seiko's subsidiary..was Invicta made aware of the movements VPH at the time the sale was contracted?? Jon Do you think they would order a high end movement without first knowing the VPH? That was the main selling point of the watch the 36,000 VPH. I'm sure this question was asked prior to purchase. __________________

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Jon, There are many unanswered questions. Unless Invicta supplies additional information all our posts are just speculation. Hopefully we'll get additional information from TeamInvicta or Invicta shows on SNBC. __________________

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I hope so too, Jerry..Speculation and insinuation without knowing all the facts is dangerous....I, as well as every other geek, would like to know all the facts..(especially those who purchased the Speedway for the VPH alone) The VPH was made very clear as a key attribute of the movement.. And I believe is one of the main reason why at least some geeks purchased the watch.. Jon __________________

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Do u really think Quote:

Originally Posted by timeman Jon, There are many unanswered questions. Unless Invicta supplies additional information all our posts are just speculation. Hopefully we'll get additional information from TeamInvicta or Invicta shows on SNBC. I'm sorry but I doubt u will get an explanation rather just a correction. I'm sorry but listening to Jim Tim n mike bestow such accolades to this watch on prior shows how could expect anything in terms of a reason behind this rouse It troubles me that a company I defend love n havevinvested better than 15k into could not n would not provide the utmost accurate information of there product especially when there hype was about the movement __________________

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Well the proverbial cats out of the bag..the ball is in Invicta's court..let see what they do with it...I will afford them every opportunity to explain this issue...but I am not going to hold my breath..Eyal made the first step..will see.. Jon __________________

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I don't know Jerry, if they (Invicta) new at the time they bought the movements the correct VPH..then they must have known the specs on said movement.. PROVIDED the seller gave Invicta the correct specs including the correct VPH....I'm hoping that it is a communication error and not something else.. Jon Jon, I have the feeling that whatever official explanation we'll get here will either a) state that it was essentially no one's fault, or b) it was caused by someone so low level in either organization that there is really no one to "fry" over this anyway. There will be no refunds and I doubt that there will be too much made of this in the next few ShopNBC shows. In any case, if anyone here purchased one, and it works for you, at least you got a nice looking automatic chronograph that you'll probably really like to wear anyway. Unless you purchased this mainly due the 36,000 VPH marketing hype and the alleged collectivity of the time piece as a result, you will probably not even notice the difference. So, enjoy your watch. Quote:

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..Eyal made the first step..will see.. Jon

And, that was probably a very well advised thing to do. As the movement is a creation of Seiko, sooner or later, the true specfications would have been available through Seiko's website anyway and the "cat would have been out of the bag" regardless. This was the best way for WGs to find out, I guess. NCEngineer View Public Profile Send a private message to NCEngineer Find all posts by NCEngineer Add NCEngineer to Your Contacts #44 03-09-2011, 10:37 PM

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It seems to me that Invicta and/or the Shop need to send out a letter to everyone that purchased this watch to ensure they are aware of this error. The 36K VPH was sold far too heavily to just let this go with a post to us. I already sent mine back because it was defective but I DID buy mine for the exclusivity of the movement specifically. I would have mine on the way back to the Shop tomorrow having read this post. As far as the buyers NCEngineer referenced that bought theirs for the same exclusivity and have no way of being told otherwise this is very unfair to them. If they then find out later about the error and they weren't given the opportunity to return the watch I believe many of them will be beyond furious. They all have the right to know. I just hope that Invicta and ShopNBC step up and do the right thing for all of these customers. I know they do this sort of thing because I received a correction letter in the past regarding a gold bracelet I had purchased. ********************** I want to add that I will have this movement in my collection someday but I will wait to see what else Invicta decides to put it into. __________________

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Like I said I'm not going to hold my breathe over this one..Personally the Reserve Ocean Speedway Is a nice piece with a robust movement and case and bracelet design...I don't expect that Invicta will start pointing fingers at any one within the company as to why this discrepancy was not made apparent. As to whether or not the High VPH (higher than the VAL7750according to Tim and Mike presentation) will be a deal breaker or not for some geeks that's up to them.. Jon __________________

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I would have purchased this timepiece if I did'nt just already purchase the speedway DD the week before,knowing this recent info I am glad I did'nt.I was one of the lucky one that had no problems with my DD cosmetic or mechanical.I for one would have sent the Seiko based watch back,In my opinon this is no longer a special timepiece as was stated on Shopnbc 405 hp View Public Profile Send a private message to 405 hp Send email to 405 hp Find all posts by 405 hp Add 405 hp to Your Contacts #47 Yesterday, 09:09 AM

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It surely is a terrific timepiece..but any geek purchasing said model with the knowledge that the VPH was 3600 instead of 28800 should be entitled to a refund no questions asked..regardless of what or who caused the problem...If I bought the watch, or anything else for that matter, and the product specs were different than what was advertised I would send that item back... Jon

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Originally Posted by TeamInvicta Clarifications and Updates to the NEW SII Caliber NE78A: The movement has a 28,800 VPH Frequency, same as the Valjoux 7750 and not 36,000, we will adjust all Specs relating to this movement. All NE78A calibers are made in JAPAN. This caliber does have a 45 hour power reserve. The watch (mainspring) is fully wound by turning the crown 55 times. If you plan to use a watch winder for this model, the rotary speed can be set at 30rpm, and will be fully charged within 60 minutes. Watch does contain 34 Jewels. Thank you, Team Invicta Thanks for the info!