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I always wanted a Swiss Made automatic. Sunday I was excited to purchase a http://m.shopnbc.com/mt/www.shopnbc....5&track=-80400 After the purchase I did some research and found that Invicta was under investigation for tagging SM on watches that did not qualify the title. Did I make a mistake? Is this a real SM watch? I don't come here much, so please school me on what's going on with this situation.

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Where did you see Invicta was under investigation? __________________ Please visit my special giveaway and sign up to randomly geek a Geek!http://watchgeeks.net/showthread.php?t=156319 watchyourtimeco View Public Profile Send a private message to watchyourtimeco Send email to watchyourtimeco Find all posts by watchyourtimeco Add watchyourtimeco to Your Contacts #3 Today, 11:20 AM

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Welcome to the forum. A while ago there was some "confusion" with Invicta's Swiss made tag. As far as I know, (and believe me, ifI am am mistaken others will correct me), that issue has been rectified. Swiss made means, among other things, that the movement is Swiss,at least51% of the value of the watch is Swiss, and the final assembly and inspection is done in Switzerland. I would, and do, have confidence that any Invicta produced over the past year, meets these basic standards. I am unaware of any impending investigation based on past practice. In other words, I would be confident that you purchased a Swiss made product, meeting the criteria stated previously. Enjoy the watch. It is a beauty! Larry for watches only View Public Profile Send a private message to for watches only Find all posts by for watches only Add for watches only to Your Contacts #4 Today, 11:21 AM

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I did not catch that...if Invicta were to put a Swiss Made label that does not conform to the standards governed under: Ordonnance du 23 décembre 1971 réglant l’utilisation du nom «Suisse» pour les montres then yes the would be in violation of said law...that being said here are some links which should shed some light on this subject.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Made#Overview http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/c232_119.html

As to whether Invicta has been investigated for violation of said law..who knows..

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Originally Posted by watchyourtimeco Where did you see Invicta was under investigation? I have the same question. hitch View Public Profile Send a private message to hitch Send email to hitch Find all posts by hitch Add hitch to Your Contacts #6 Today, 11:27 AM

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Interpol...just kidding..could you please cite your sources or is this just a rumor through cyberspace.. Jon __________________

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I'm sorry, I worded it wrong. When I surfed the net there were negative opinions and accusations directed at invicta in reference to this claim. Sorry. Tourbillion View Public Profile Send a private message to Tourbillion Send email to Tourbillion

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Originally Posted by Tourbillion I'm sorry, I worded it wrong. When I surfed the net there were negative opinions and accusations directed at invicta in reference to this claim. Sorry. You almost started a war! LOL floridajohn View Public Profile Send a private message to floridajohn Find all posts by floridajohn Add floridajohn to Your Contacts #9 Today, 11:30 AM Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 415

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Originally Posted by Tourbillion I'm sorry, I worded it wrong. When I surfed the net there were negative opinions and accusations directed at invicta in reference to this claim. Sorry. lol you will find that everywhere, mostly those ppl that say things like that are mad because the over pay for things and try to bash brands that give good deals for good quality. blacksocom View Public Profile Send a private message to blacksocom Find all posts by blacksocom Add blacksocom to Your Contacts

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the confusion was for the term Swiss, not Swiss Made. Swiss Made will always mean Swiss Made __________________ I'd rather be a lion for a day than a lamb that lives forever - Canibus krayziehustler View Public Profile Send a private message to krayziehustler Find all posts by krayziehustler Add krayziehustler to Your Contacts #11 Today, 11:31 AM Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 415

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Originally Posted by floridajohn You almost started a war! LOL lol yea i agree john, and it was only his first post!!!! blacksocom View Public Profile Send a private message to blacksocom Find all posts by blacksocom Add blacksocom to Your Contacts #12 Today, 11:36 AM

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My understanding is that Invicta sells "SWISS MADE" watches that are compliant with all rules and regulations that accompany those two words. I have not heard of them being under any sort of investigation. I would however like to know fact from fiction, as a fan of the brand and a member on 2 other watch forums. Please feel free to reveal your source of information... WG is (by far) the most friendly watch community on the www. Oh yeah... welcome to WG, guard your wallet from the "Hot Deals" section

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This has been an ongoing topic for quite awhile and you will find those on both sides of the fence saying the others are wrong. If you feel you have purchased a Swiss Made watch because that is what you believe and that is what it says on the dial than you have purchased a Swiss Made watch. If you feel that you have not purchased a Swiss Made watch than no, its not a Swiss Made watch. There has been watches that were marked as "Swiss" that had been promoted and sold as "Swiss Made" since they both mean the same thing only to the cases opened and have Asian made movements inside them. At this point there was a new definition of "Swiss" and "Swiss

Made" given by the manufacture. You must also remember that whatever rules and regulations the Swiss Federation or the Swiss government has does not apply. IWG is not a Swiss company and they do not belong to the Swiss Ferderation so none of those rules apply or can be enforcred. If you believe you have a Swiss Made watch than you have a Swiss Made watch, if you have any doubt at all send it back the minute you get it. X-James View Public Profile Send a private message to X-James Find all posts by X-James Add X-James to Your Contacts #14 Today, 11:51 AM

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With or without salt and of course extra butter right? X-James View Public Profile Send a private message to X-James Find all posts by X-James Add X-James to Your Contacts #16 Today, 12:03 PM

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You didn't make a mistake. Invicta has factories in Switzerland. This is a first line Invicta product. There are some people who have a hobby of bashing Invicta. There are some forums where saying something positive about Invicta will start a flame war. There are rumors of many investigations, court cases, law suits and such, but to my knowledge they don't pan out to be true when you ask for evidence. That particular watch is a good Invicta to get, IMHO, because it is an original Invicta design; there is no other watch like it. Some Invictas are knock offs of other brands' designs, but never exact replicas. The Swiss watch industry is vigorous about defending the value of the Swiss Made brand. Enjoy your new Coalition Forces watch. It's something like nothing else. __________________ If they don't have tritium, then I'm not getting 'em... mosc View Public Profile Send a private message to mosc Find all posts by mosc Add mosc to Your Contacts #17 Today, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by X-James <snip> You must also remember that whatever rules and regulations the Swiss Federation or the Swiss government has does not apply. IWG is not a Swiss company and they do not belong to the Swiss Ferderation so none of those rules apply or can be enforcred.<snip> Not true. 1. In the U.S., the use of "Swiss Made" on a watch is controlled by the Swiss Federation via their USPTO registered trademark of "Swiss Made". In order to legally use the mark, whether you're a member of the federation or not, the federation's standards for "Swiss Made" must be followed. http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...07:k0oeug.2.10 2. "Swiss" at the 6 position when used on a watch must comply with U.S. Customs Regulations, 19 CFR Part 177 Chapter 91 that requires the movement used in the watch to be from the country of origin placed on the dial. So at a minimum, a watch so labeled should have a movement made in Switzerland. This of course presumes the manufacturer in question is following U.S. Custom's law. __________________

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First post and already he is starting trouble...i say we throw him off the forum.just kidding and welcome my friend. That is what makes this place so cool. Alot of guys who know what they talking about where you can get answers. __________________ CHOOSE TODAY WHOM YOU WILL SERVE...AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE WE WILL SERVE THE LORD FrankV View Public Profile Send a private message to FrankV Find all posts by FrankV Add FrankV to Your Contacts #19 Today, 12:14 PM

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I've seen pictures, on Facebook sites, that show Invicta Watches (saying Swiss Made) opened up and some have swiss made movements and some don't. trip_67 View Public Profile Send a private message to trip_67 Find all posts by trip_67 Add trip_67 to Your Contacts #20 Today, 12:21 PM Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 802 Real Name: Tim

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I, myself, started a thread asking about the word "Swiss" on one of my SASs, confused as to why all the other Reserve pieces I had said "Swiss Made" and this one said simply "Swiss". The breakdown of the whole "Swiss" vs "Swiss Made" controversy is as such. If your watch has the words "Swiss Made" printed on the dial, you have a watch that

conforms to the trademark laws concerning that term, which means it is a "Swiss Made" watch as determined by the Swiss Federation. If your watch has only the word "Swiss" printed on the dial, that watch is not a Swiss Made watch and could contain purely Asian parts, Italian parts, Swiss parts, or any combination of parts from any country. If you buy an Invicta watch with the words "Swiss Made" written on the dial, you have bought a "Swiss Made" watch, as defined by the trademark laws governing the "Swiss Made" brand. In other words, in regards to the Automatic Coalition Forces, no worries. __________________ Please visit my special giveaway and sign up to randomly geek a Geek!http://watchgeeks.net/showthread.php?t=156319 watchyourtimeco View Public Profile Send a private message to watchyourtimeco Send email to watchyourtimeco Find all posts by watchyourtimeco Add watchyourtimeco to Your Contacts #21 Today, 12:32 PM Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,191 Real Name: Garrett

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Originally Posted by trip_67 I've seen pictures, on Facebook sites, that show Invicta Watches (saying Swiss Made) opened up and some have swiss made movements and some don't. Are you sure? The FB pics I saw were posted ~ 2 months ago and had: "Swiss Movt" on the dial and "Swiss Parts Movement" on the case back of a womans' Lupah that had a Chinese movement. "SWISS" on a Russian diver that had an Asian movement. None of the watch movements pictured had "SWISS MADE" on the dial or case. My memory could be fading though, it was a while ago when those pics surfaced. __________________ My watch, knife and flashlight reviews kramer5150

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As I said above there are those on both sides of the fence on this topic and there is allot of information out there that contradicts the contradictions of the contradicted contradicts. Overall it is a quagmire of a question and after reading and digesting all the information you can find only you can honestly answer your own question but please when you answer it also take into consideration the integrity of both the sources and also of the company your asking about, both at times could be considered lacking at best. X-James View Public Profile Send a private message to X-James Find all posts by X-James Add X-James to Your Contacts #23 Today, 12:34 PM Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 802 Real Name: Tim

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on the dial have Asian movements. Only the 10 or so I opened had Asian movements. Quote:

Originally Posted by trip_67 I've seen pictures, on Facebook sites, that show Invicta Watches (saying Swiss Made) opened up and some have swiss made movements and some don't. I have seen watches with the word "Swiss" on the dial proven to have Asian movements, as I stated above. However, I have never seen, nor tested myself, a "Swiss Made" watch with anything other than a Swiss Made movement. If you know otherwise, please post pictures or a link so we can see this for ourselves. __________________ Please visit my special giveaway and sign up to randomly geek a Geek!http://watchgeeks.net/showthread.php?t=156319 watchyourtimeco View Public Profile Send a private message to watchyourtimeco Send email to watchyourtimeco Find all posts by watchyourtimeco Add watchyourtimeco to Your Contacts #24 Today, 12:35 PM

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God I hope this Swiss fight is on PPV I got to set my DVR..Lets see if we can surpass the Invicta Reserve Men's Scuba 799.71..at 13 pages...common guys we can do it

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"Swiss Made" means exactly that. If Invicta marks a watch in that way then it meets the criteria for swiss made. "Swiss", "Swiss Parts" is not Swiss made. Enjoy your stay at watchgeeks, once you make your way around the site search foir Swiss Made and you will know why everyone around here groans when some one brings up that topic again. Were all still exhausted from the last go around LTCARMY View Public Profile Send a private message to LTCARMY Find all posts by LTCARMY Add LTCARMY to Your Contacts

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If you go to google and put " Vic Invicta " in the search bar, and tap, his name will come up. He's under investigation for running a po___o ring out of a small hotel just outside of Paris, Ohio .. but The Invicta Watch Group is clean ............................... welcome to the forum. Best, Blue

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You guys crack me up. This is why I dig WG. You get many sides and everyone is cool about it. Rock on WG. PS: to me SWISS MADE is all SWISS SWISS I am not sure anymore. Anyway have fun collecting. sweetlou View Public Profile Send a private message to sweetlou Find all posts by sweetlou Add sweetlou to Your Contacts #29 Today, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyback 2. "Swiss" at the 6 position when used on a watch must comply with U.S. Customs Regulations, 19 CFR Part 177 Chapter 91 that requires the movement used in the watch to be from the country of origin placed on the dial. So at a minimum, a watch so labeled should have a movement made in Switzerland. This of course presumes the manufacturer in question is following U.S. Custom's law. This is actually incorrect, as well. A watch company can put any wording on the dial they wish. I, personally, have opened some of the "Swiss" and "Swiss Made" watches I own. Universally, each and every watch I opened with the words "Swiss Made" on the dial had a Swiss movement. Adversely, each and every watch I opened (not all Invicta's) with only the word "Swiss" on the dial had an Asian movement. This isn't to say all watches with "Swiss" on the dial have Asian movements. Only the 10 or so I opened had Asian movements. I have seen watches with the word "Swiss" on the dial proven to have Asian movements, as I stated above. However, I have never seen, nor tested myself, a "Swiss Made" watch with anything other than a Swiss Made movement. If you know otherwise, please post pictures or a link so we can see this for ourselves.

My statement is factually/legally correct and reflects the country of origin labeling requirements as set fourth in U.S. Customs and Border Protection Publication 0000-0539, revised December 2004. Simply because one or more companies choses to not follow the regulations doesn't invalidate the law.

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Originally Posted by X-James With or without salt and of course extra butter right? If I buy the jumbo size, can I get a refill? Bigmac View Public Profile Send a private message to Bigmac Find all posts by Bigmac Add Bigmac to Your Contacts #31 Today, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mosc You didn't make a mistake. Invicta has factories in Switzerland. This is a first line Invicta product. There are some people who have a hobby of bashing Invicta. There are some forums where saying something positive about Invicta will start a flame war. There are rumors of many investigations, court cases, law suits and such, but to my knowledge they don't pan out to be true when you ask for evidence. That particular watch is a good Invicta to get, IMHO, because it is an original Invicta design; there is no other watch like it. Some Invictas are knock offs of other brands' designs, but never exact replicas. The Swiss watch industry is vigorous about defending the value of the Swiss Made brand. Enjoy your new Coalition Forces watch. It's something like nothing else. Well said __________________

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Can you tell me if this is Swiss Made.

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Originally Posted by ukrany1 Can you tell me if this is Swiss Made.

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Ken,

I will let you know after I do a full examination of the product..... __________________

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Yes, thanks Brad. Just so everyone knows, Brad has made many a post on this topic with factual and accurate information. Let's make certain we are citing what the law is and not what we may prefer to believe. This whole "Swiss Made" thing does not need to be so complicated. It becomes complicated when people begin to parse words or otherwise interwine their own "interpretation" of controlling legal codes. __________________ "There's a difference in livin' and livin' well..." -George Strait watchdude1 View Public Profile

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what does it mean to have Swiss on the dial and case back, I have 4 LP Italy watches that have these markings and their website says these are the Swiss Made watches CLEANS-HIGH View Public Profile Send a private message to CLEANS-HIGH Find all posts by CLEANS-HIGH Add CLEANS-HIGH to Your Contacts #38 Today, 02:13 PM Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 257 Real Name: Harlan

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Swiss Made= Swiss Made... No worries with your watch buddy! __________________ Reinier reinierramirez View Public Profile Send a private message to reinierramirez Find all posts by reinierramirez Add reinierramirez to Your Contacts #40 Today, 02:16 PM

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I believe the Lp watches I have are Swiss made but I liked the watches from the LP Marenello collection because of their looks and the are high quality so if they only have Swiss Movements who cares

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There are watches that meet the bare minimum of requirements to be called "Swiss Made" and there are those with substantially more actual Swiss manufactured content. Both are legitimately and lawfully labeled "Swiss Made". Get to know your manufacturers. __________________

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Originally Posted by harlan.mcDonald@gmail.com So does this not qualify because it is not labeled at the 6 posision? I'm not familiar with how that watch is labeled, however all watches imported into the country must follow U.S. Customs country of origin labeling regulations. You can see from the excerpt copied below from the CBP publication referenced above that the labeling can be done on the case back instead of the dial: Watches and clocks are also subject to the normal country of origin marking requirements of 19 U.S.C. 1304, and under these requirements, the movementâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;s country of origin should appear conspicuously and legibly on the dial face or on the outside of the back.

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Originally Posted by krayziehustler the confusion was for the term Swiss, not Swiss Made. Swiss Made will always mean Swiss Made

At one time, I would have agreed with you on this particular point! ... However, after a bit of research, I'm now convinced that even THIS "issue is in doubt!" _______________ ⌘ _______________ FYI, many websites (.ch and otherwise!) validate the premise ... ... that "SWISS" and "SWISS MADE" are interchangeable ... ... anywhere on the watch, front, back, side, you-name-it! _______________ ⌘ _______________ Of course, I ALSO believe that all of this inconsistent-labeling and '51%'obfuscation ... ... will, ultimately, simply annihilate the mid-to-low-end watch biz for the Swiss ... ... esp. as the Chinese seem more than ready, willing, & able ... ... to gobble up MORE than just their 'fair' market share! _______________ ⌘ _______________ FINALLY! - I wouldn't worry one iota about your new watch ... ... given the current state of flux of the watch industry, per se, it's as 'compliant' as it can be! ... just my 2¢ on this never-ending topic! d'oh! __________________ HI! - I'm Larry & I'm Wacky About Watches -

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Originally Posted by kramer5150 Are you sure? The FB pics I saw were posted ~ 2 months ago and had: "Swiss Movt" on the dial and "Swiss Parts Movement" on the case back of a womans' Lupah that had a Chinese movement. "SWISS" on a Russian diver that had an Asian movement. None of the watch movements pictured had "SWISS MADE" on the dial or case. My memory could be fading though, it was a while ago when those pics surfaced.

I might be wrong, but placing "SWISS" (anywhere) on a watch ... ... that has an Asian Movement is a serious "No!!!-No!!!" ...

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Curious as to where the "51%" is coming from. It keeps popping up. According to the official Federation Horlogerie website, the requirement for "Swiss Made" movement designation is 50% of the value less labor. __________________

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Originally Posted by Hotspur Curious as to where the "51%" is coming from. It keeps popping up. According to the official Federation Horlogerie website, the requirement for "Swiss Made" movement designation is 50% of the value less labor. That is the most frequent bit of misinformation that I see repeated here and elsewhere. You're right about it being 50% and that percentage applies "only" to the movement.

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Battery change on an S1 in my collection. I know it's Swiss Made for sure beacause she put the stamp on the movement.

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I did a Swiss Made Russian Diver and found everything in order. SWISS stamped nicely on the Ronda movement. TM Maker View Public Profile Send a private message to TM Maker Find all posts by TM Maker Add TM Maker to Your Contacts #54 Today, 05:33 PM

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Ban. HAHAHA!! Just kidding! Trying to lighten the mood 09tsar View Public Profile Send a private message to 09tsar Find all posts by 09tsar Add 09tsar to Your Contacts #55 Today, 05:51 PM

Genezilla Senior Member Master WatchGeek

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WTF! This guy has only had 2 postings and he's already ripping Invicta. Just another troll. Please let me know if I'm outta line on my comment. Genezilla View Public Profile Send a private message to Genezilla Find all posts by Genezilla Add Genezilla to Your Contacts #56 Today, 05:57 PM

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Lot's of butter and salt.. yum

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WTF! This guy has only had 2 postings and he's already ripping Invicta. Just another troll. Please let me know if I'm outta line on my comment. Your suspicion certainly has merit. We welcome all new members until they prove they are just here to stir the pot. The members have set the record straight thus far. We have far too many threads explaining this really rather simple concept for this to devolve into another 10 pages of non-sense. __________________ "There's a difference in livin' and livin' well..." -George Strait watchdude1 View Public Profile Send a private message to watchdude1 Find all posts by watchdude1 Add watchdude1 to Your Contacts #58 Today, 06:30 PM Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,817

AZinNJ Senior Member Super Geek

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Originally Posted by watchdude1 Your suspicion certainly has merit. We welcome all new members until they prove they are just here to stir the pot. The members have set the record straight thus far. We have far too many threads explaining this really rather simple concept for this to devolve into another 10 pages of non-sense. I agree..I guess we'll have to wait and see what "Tour-Billion" posts next, if anything at all..Most likely a troll IMO AZinNJ View Public Profile Send a private message to AZinNJ Send email to AZinNJ Find all posts by AZinNJ Add AZinNJ to Your Contacts #59 Today, 06:37 PM

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GeorgeTheWatchGuy WatchGeeks Moderator True WatchGeek

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Originally Posted by krayziehustler the confusion was for the term Swiss, not Swiss Made. Swiss Made will always mean Swiss Made

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Originally Posted by for watches only Welcome to the forum. A while ago there was some "confusion" with Invicta's Swiss made tag. As far as I know, (and believe me, ifI am am mistaken others will correct me), that issue has been rectified. Swiss made means, among other things, that the movement is Swiss,at least51% of the value of the watch is Swiss, and the final assembly and inspection is done in Switzerland. I would, and do, have confidence that any Invicta produced over the past year, meets these basic standards. I am unaware of any impending investigation based on past practice. In other words, I would be confident that you purchased a Swiss made product, meeting the criteria stated previously. Enjoy the watch. It is a beauty! Larry Welcome Tourb, Larry is correct to the letter here. Lots of Invicta bashers in the world but I think most of them just don't get it. Tons of choices for them other than Invicta but as to your purchase, its as labled, Swiss Made and I hope it makes you see what Invicta is about. Always do your homework and buy from well recommanded sites and feel free to share your questions, feedback and experiences here. __________________ Beatings will continue until morale improves Propwelder View Public Profile Send a private message to Propwelder Send email to Propwelder Find all posts by Propwelder Add Propwelder to Your Contacts #61 Today, 07:06 PM

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WTF! This guy has only had 2 postings and he's already ripping Invicta. Just another troll. Please let me know if I'm outta line on my comment. OK Genezilla and Watchdude1. You don't know me and I am offended by the troll name calling. I came here for help and did not bash Invicta or anybody else. I own 10 Invicta watches and 10 watches from other high end brands. I also belonged to this forum a couple years back under a different name but forgot my info. So I re-joined under a new name. I don't spend my entire life on internet forums, so if I missed info about Invicta and the Swiss Made controversy then I am sorry. I liked this watch and bought it on impulse. After a little research I found a pretty good amount of negative feedback. So I came here, to Invicta people for reassurance and then called a troll. Hey, thanks for the help. You made me feel better after reading your responses I'll be sure to come right back for answers to my

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hangman52

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Been with Invicta for over four years now. Have seen all the "stuff" written about them. I personally have never questioned their validity. I know there has been alot of issues, and I can't imagine what a guy like Eyal Lalo goes through. If anybody from Invicta sees this thread...I know they are all very approachable. Personally, I got the new Reserve automatic scooby (Scuba) without hesitation. I don't think you'll be disappointed with the product. But again, before all the posts start, this is my experience, and my opinion. Best of luck!! hangman52 View Public Profile Send a private message to hangman52 Find all posts by hangman52 Add hangman52 to Your Contacts #63 Today, 07:27 PM Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Lovely Louisiana Posts: 5,078 Real Name: just "Bill"

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Easy, Boy! Stick around. Please note that most took your OP at face value, and tried to help with solid info. Hang in, participate, and contibute. Or, leave now and prove 'em right. __________________

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GeorgeTheWatchGuy WatchGeeks Moderator True WatchGeek

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Originally Posted by timetraveler Easy, Boy! Stick around. Please note that most took your OP at face value, and tried to help with solid info. Hang in, participate, and contibute. Or, leave now and prove 'em right.

Good point Bill..

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Originally Posted by Flyback Not true. 1. In the U.S., the use of "Swiss Made" on a watch is controlled by the Swiss Federation via their USPTO registered trademark of "Swiss Made". In order to legally use the mark, whether you're a member of the federation or not, the federation's standards for "Swiss Made" must be followed. http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...07:k0oeug.2.10 2. "Swiss" at the 6 position when used on a watch must comply with U.S. Customs Regulations, 19 CFR Part 177 Chapter 91 that requires the movement used in the watch to be from the country of origin placed on the dial. So at a minimum, a watch so labeled should have a movement made in Switzerland. This of course presumes the manufacturer in question is following U.S. Custom's law.

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