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This is a new email I personally received from Dubois-Dupraz. If you have any doubts about it authenticity please feel free to Private Message me with your email address and I will forward the original message to you.
To all of you who have taken the time to write me and confirm both the nature of the situation and my initial reply to it, I thank you on behalf of myself and DuboisDepraz. I did write the response many of you have seen and asked me about. I was made aware of this situation by a phone call from someone in New Jersey, some 7-10 days ago. The information was somewhat hazy, but the fact that we were being accused of something involving Invicta was startling to me since we have no business relationship with Invicta. I have confirmed this on three occasions with the owners of Dubois-Depraz, a family I have known for many years and who are considered the finest independent watchmakers in Switzerland who do not have their own brand--and therefore, no axe to grind. They work for virtually everyone in the Swiss and German watch industries. I can confirm the following: 1. There has never been a sale of movements from DD to invicta. Invicta is not a customer of our company that we know of. 2. There has been NO communication between Invicta or any known--or appropriately identified--Invicta representative with DD. No movements have been returned from ANY source, and none are scheduled to be returned. 3. DD has assumed NO responsibility for any faults, claims or other issues supposedly advanced by Invicta, or anyone else acting in their name. 4. If someone else--especially an already registered customer--has purchased our modules and resold them to Invicta, they are reponsible for any issues which may arise. I am the only official purchase conduit for any US address, and Invicta has never done any business with me or any official DD representative.
5. Duplication has been a serious problem in the watch industry fior some time and has affected the biggest names in the industry down to component suppliers. These duplications are so good in some cases that even the original manufacturers themselves have to look twice--and sometimes even three times--to determine if the components are truly theirs or not. We have encountered the same issue in the past. We cannot fault a customer for not knowing if the movements are truly DD or not until we see them ourselves. What we, for our part, find interesting is the following: 1. Claims have been made on Shopnbc that DD is guilty of a variety of issues, that Invicta has been in contact with DD about said issues, and that DD has assumed responsibility for said issues. No one at DD has any knowledge of such issues, claims, or supposed contacts. 2. On 5/27, claims were made by Shopnbc purporting to be the supposed mouthpiece of Invicta for the aggrieved buyers, and that negotiations were being conducted with DD, and that movements would be returned to DD for complete rework. No one at DD has any knowledge of any of these claims. All of this information is hearsay unless proven by a statement by Invicta or Eyal Lalo. 3. Yesterday evening, Friday, June 11, I personally received an e-mail from Eyal Lalo saying that the issue had already been resolved, and that the hands were the problem. 4. I have not, to date, seen, or been referred to, a direct and supportable statement by Eyal Lalo directly, or anyone else from, Invicta, that DD was ever suspected of any problem. All of the information I have heard has come from Shopnbc. If anyone has any evidence of such statements from ANY Invicta representative, either in video, written, or other form, I would like to see them as quickly as possible. Until such time as we have proof of statements made by Mr. Lalo, we must assume that this entire issue originated at Shopnbc. For whatever reasons this may have been done--possibly a publicity stunt--rest assured we will take appropriate action to protect our reputation against anyone who assails it. Thank you for your interest in watches, movements and the industry in general. You are, absolutely, the people most important to us. With my kindest regards to all of you, Chris Becker Business Development Manager Americas Dubois-Depraz SA
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I'm sure the devil is in the details and it will be sorted out at some point. It's always interesting to see the tip of the iceberg (and the assumptions made about what's below the water line) and the iceberg itself. Anyone want to share my popcorn? It's nice and salty. bluloo View Public Profile Send a private message to bluloo
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I think someone has stirred up a hornets nest. Wow! __________________
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Invicta has the onus of providing Dubois-Depraz with a representative sample of Speedway watches with the D-D movement so that these movements can be examined and authenticated. They must either be counterfeit or were sold by D-D to another entity who subsequently resold them to Invicta. I don't "have a dog in this fight", but if I owned the Speedway D-D, I would consider this event very troubling. IMHO, Dubois-Depraz has no reason the deceive the watch buying public or it's vendors. pirate View Public Profile Send a private message to pirate Send email to pirate Find all posts by pirate Add pirate to Your Contacts #7 Today, 09:05 PM Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Orlando,Fl. Posts: 155 Real Name: Ray
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WOW thats all I got to say. rayjr09 View Public Profile Send a private message to rayjr09 Find all posts by rayjr09 Add rayjr09 to Your Contacts #8 Today, 09:06 PM
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WOW OH WOW......I can't wait to see how this is gonna play out.
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DAMN......This isn't good at all. __________________
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Originally Posted by buddah00 DAMN......This isn't good at all.
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Well in a real business situation, there is a sacrificial lamb.......something stinks in the info we got, and so it will be interesting on what goes on from hear. Glad I sent mine back. Might be better off when Wing throws on on a Android! dakdaddy View Public Profile Send a private message to dakdaddy Find all posts by dakdaddy Add dakdaddy to Your Contacts #14 Today, 09:23 PM Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: CT Posts: 291 Real Name: john
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a $1000.00 bag o pop corn and I have a dog in this fight! 1288 for some zulumack View Public Profile Send a private message to zulumack Find all posts by zulumack Add zulumack to Your Contacts #15 Today, 09:24 PM Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 2,014
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This should be a new t.v. series. I think today's thread would be great for the pilot episode. There is no telling what will happen next. Stay tuned though...same bat time...same bat channel! NG111 View Public Profile Send a private message to NG111 Send email to NG111 Find all posts by NG111 Add NG111 to Your Contacts #17 Today, 09:49 PM Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 18
Chronolex Junior Member New Geek
I have the Speedway with the D-D movement. My watch has functioned properly since I received it. However, this whole mess is disconcerting. Now D-D's representative is quoting Eyal Lalo as saying that the problem is the hands. What does that mean? Were they affixed improperly? Were they machined improperly? Do all of the watches have the defect, with some manifested and some latent.
Jim Skelton says that Eyal will not be available to address this matter directly until Monday. I hope that the answer is that the problem is limited to certain watches. However, this has been going on for a month with no clear response from Invicta of which I am aware. This does not give me the warm and fuzzy. More like the fuzzy minus the warm. If there is a defect that impacts the entire production run of this watch I hope he will take into consideration ShopNBC's 30 day return policy. We should be given the option to return it after full disclosure. Chronolex View Public Profile Send a private message to Chronolex Find all posts by Chronolex Add Chronolex to Your Contacts #18 Today, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Chronolex I have the Speedway with the D-D movement. My watch has functioned properly since I received it. However, this whole mess is disconcerting. Now D-D's representative is quoting Eyal Lalo as saying that the problem is the hands. What does that mean? Were they affixed improperly? Were they machined improperly? Do all of the watches have the defect, with some manifested and some latent. Jim Skelton says that Eyal will not be available to address this matter directly until Monday. I hope that the answer is that the problem is limited to certain watches. However, this has been going on for a month with no clear response from Invicta of which I am aware. This does not give me the warm and fuzzy. More like the fuzzy minus the warm. If there is a defect that impacts the entire production run of this watch I hope he will take into consideration ShopNBC's 30 day return policy. We should be given the option to return it after full disclosure. Yes, I agree. I purchased 2 of these watches, 1 in silver-tone and 1 in two-tone. The two-tone had the misaligned hands and that one just went back for a refund. So far the silver-tone is OK. kless13 View Public Profile Send a private message to kless13 Find all posts by kless13
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when I posted that...with all the things that was going on with this watch that I would send it back working right or not because I could not trust it. the answer I got was . why would you not keep a watch that works ? to me its more than the watch its the company that sells it and how it treats its customers.... with respect. zulumack View Public Profile Send a private message to zulumack Find all posts by zulumack Add zulumack to Your Contacts #20 Today, 10:22 PM
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WOW ... wow ... wow !! Looks like a jar of hornets has been spilled. Much thanks to the OP for the courage to make his post and share this information with us. __________________ Fatal Error in REALITY.SYS .... Run BIG_BANG.EXE (Y/N)? WatchYaThink View Public Profile Send a private message to WatchYaThink Send email to WatchYaThink Find all posts by WatchYaThink Add WatchYaThink to Your Contacts #21 Today, 10:28 PM
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You tell one lie you have to tell two, sooner or later you get caught in your web of deceit. Thanks for posting. If this is on the up and up it is a sad day for Invicta. This thread will be deleted like the others.. __________________ Time to Watch as Time Passes Away watchluv View Public Profile Send a private message to watchluv Find all posts by watchluv Add watchluv to Your Contacts #22 Today, 10:35 PM
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I seriously doubt there is any deceit involved here on the part of Invicta or ShopNBC. Probably just a cause of misunderstanding. I don't blame DD for getting involved either. They have their reputation to consider. I'm sure eveybody will be friends in the near future and all those who purchased Speedway Elites might have a true collectors piece. You never know. Keep the faith waswell View Public Profile Send a private message to waswell Find all posts by waswell Add waswell to Your Contacts #23 Today, 10:42 PM
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I can confirm the following: 1. There has never been a sale of movements from DD to invicta. Invicta is not a customer of our company that we know of. 2. There has been NO communication between Invicta or any known--or appropriately identified--Invicta representative with DD. No movements have been returned from ANY source, and none are scheduled to be returned. HE SAYS THIS(above)
THEN HE SAYS THIS(below) 3. Yesterday evening, Friday, June 11, I personally received an e-mail from Eyal Lalo saying that the issue had already been resolved, and that the hands were the problem. Is the above a CONTRADICTION? __________________
And has he acknowledged the D D movements
"JUST LET ME TRY THE WATCH ON"