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March 31, 2001, 07:47 PM Jim Skelton AKA Corona Gorda is the Biggest Scumbag there is, this guy has cross the line many times with a few of the CFers here. The worst is getting over on Bruce and Lindsey Storey by not paying them back the Money he owes them....Jim they have given you a second chance and you do this to them. I'm posting this for the reason that there are a few of his cronies or so called friends of his on this site....you all have been fooled....if you give this guy the chance he to will get over on you. Jim if you are reading the boards do the right thing and pay them back..... And for those of you that want to speak with him let me know and I'll shoot you his phone number.... Hell I might even post his # after I give him an ear full. To those of you that consider him a friend, give him a call and let him know what in the hell is wrong with him.<IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley07.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15>

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March 31, 2001, 07:50 PM I must be in the front row ...

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March 31, 2001, 07:59 PM Kaju, Thank you for your concern but the past money is not the problem. The problem is that I co-signed for a townhouse for Jim and Kelly and they are not paying their rent. I received a call last week from the Management company telling me that if March's rent wasn't paid that day, they would file for eviction and judgement for breech of contract and money owed. I had no choice but to pay the rent to protect my good credit rating. The big problem is that there is 10 months left on the lease. Jim knows I want to protect my credit.

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March 31, 2001, 08:01 PM Too bad...this guy is an expert at manipulating people for his own benefit. He's been doing it for years under the guise of "Corona Gorda" and many CFers bit hard on his bait. Sorry to hear you've been scammed too. What are the CG cronies going to think now???

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March 31, 2001, 08:04 PM I am so sorry to hear about this Lindsay sorry about the the miss spell name but you know me....LOL It's just to bad, you guys have done so much to help him and his family and he does this.....You two are such wonderful people to help someone in need but then they do this to you...... DAMN YOU JIM!! DO THE RIGHT THING And to all that say they are CG Cornies call your buddy up and tell him to pay up!<IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley07.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15>

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March 31, 2001, 08:04 PM What a dirt bag. JIM PAY THE STOREY`S don`t F*** with them.

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March 31, 2001, 08:06 PM "CG Cornies" LMAO

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March 31, 2001, 08:08 PM LMAO @ Lindsay. Cornies = Cronies.

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March 31, 2001, 08:08 PM This is sad

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March 31, 2001, 08:08 PM There are things that can be done about scumbags like that. You give the word Bruce.

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March 31, 2001, 08:11 PM It is a shame That it has come to this Lindsay. However, this comes as no surprise to me. Borrowing money from friends takes balls, not paying it back takes a spineless individual who could care less about people and what true friendship means. Lindsay, IF he is still working at blockbuster, hire a lawyer to garnish his wages.

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March 31, 2001, 08:11 PM Are CG Cornies anything like Corn Nuts?

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March 31, 2001, 08:13 PM Mr Skelton managed to bilk quite a few folks out of money. He was quite good at it. Exactly how much did he get when he moved his family west from well meaning family members? What a shame. This should be a lesson to those here who believe they really know somebody through a computer....you don't. Good luck Storeys.

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March 31, 2001, 08:14 PM Too bad Mustang Sally got whacked last week on The Sopranos. Would have loved to see him play some minature golf with CG. <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley02.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15>

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March 31, 2001, 08:14 PM This is bad, very bad. I know there is a tremendous history here, but I feel terrible for Lindsay. Pardon my ignorance, but is there a possibility that CG/Jim (and Kelly) will make this right? I really feel terrible that Lindsay went out on a limb here as I have heard much of the history (generically). I am sorry this has happened. As far as the lease goes, are there some alternatives which can allow you to cut your losses? Being a real estate owner, I know that sometimes there are some steps that can be taken. If they are not living there, perhaps the mgmt. comp. would let you out of the lease, and you would only have to pay until they re-rented it, thus 'cutting your losses'. Perhaps there are legal ramifications which would be more economic that 10 mos. on the lease. I am sorry that I am throwing darts in the dark here, but I do feel for you. Eric

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March 31, 2001, 08:15 PM I'm not going to pile on, but I WILL say that it is important to get the address where Jim and his "bride" live. This on-going scam can not be tolerated.

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March 31, 2001, 08:15 PM Lindsay, your generosity in co-signing for them given the history is at once awe-inspiring but also less than intelligent. Hope it all works out!

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March 31, 2001, 08:20 PM Someone give me a golfclub.<IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley34.gif' BORDER=0>

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March 31, 2001, 08:21 PM Not a pretty picture.Jim,do whatever you can to make this right.

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March 31, 2001, 08:21 PM Looks like he's got about an 8 iron...

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March 31, 2001, 08:21 PM I have no dog in this fight, but speaking as someone that recently got stuck with a $5K bill from a 'friend', it just makes me sick to hear this. Have you considered legal action?

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March 31, 2001, 08:26 PM Remember I live in the area and I like to break legs. I also have a temper like you wouldn`t believe Jim you need to pay them. This is so F**KED up how you have screwed people over the same people that would do just about anything(with in reason)(Bruce and Lindsey have done so much for your f**ked up ass it`s pathetic)for some CFer`s.

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March 31, 2001, 08:27 PM Hmm.... and the story goes on and on and on......

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March 31, 2001, 08:28 PM I wonder if jack-of-hearts will change his sig tag now?

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He already changed it!

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March 31, 2001, 08:31 PM Which block buster> I can pay him a little visit.

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March 31, 2001, 08:31 PM This is too sad indeed, I feel for you both Bruce and Lindsey. I wish you two well.

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March 31, 2001, 08:33 PM Hell they probably Fired him already for stealing.

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March 31, 2001, 08:38 PM Someone post his email.

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March 31, 2001, 08:41 PM Here is one of them mailto:coronagorda@hotmail.com

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March 31, 2001, 08:41 PM What a loser!

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March 31, 2001, 08:41 PM Working at Blockbuster huh? How did you think he was going to pay back 5K and rent on a townhouse when he's rewinding movies for a living? I hope he comes through for you Lindsay, they could squat there for a while and I don't think they can be evicted for 6-8 months. Anyone know for sure?

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March 31, 2001, 09:03 PM Differs stste to state.

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March 31, 2001, 09:21 PM CA is 90 days from the time you file. Had to evict my ex-wife once. Heh Heh. But that's another story.

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March 31, 2001, 09:24 PM Hey BaronZ I changed the sigtag a while ago. Hope you approve. <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley01.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15>

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March 31, 2001, 09:26 PM Jim and (YES..AND)Kelly, I am speaking only to both of you about this situation...not anyone else on this thread. You have taken two people who owed you nothing who out of the goodness of their hearts gave you help at a time when you were needy. This is the kind of goodness that keeps a light shining in our world where there is much darkness. You have CRUSHED those same hearts by showing that you could care less about them. The world is a bit uglier today because of your actions. If you ever hope to live your life with some semblance of decency and respect for yourself, you need to pull yourself together and right this wrong at once. You are a family unto yourselves and you must make your way in this world working to provide for yourselves. If you have spent one cent on movies, eating out, convenience foods, car washes or anything else that wasn't a matter of life and death instead of paying this rent, then you are not accepting the fact that everyone has to carry their own load in this world. Jim, if you are not making enough money on your one job to take care of this rent immediately, then you need to go get a second job. What makes you thing that you are such a big shot that you don't have to work just as hard as other Dad's in this country do. I had a step-father that worked 2 full time jobs to put shoes on the feet of 5 children that weren't his. Who the hell do you think you are not providing for your ONE child that is your own? I suggest that you find a way to rectify this immediately as if your life depends on it...because....in all honesty...your life does depend on you surviving...food, shelter, etc. If you are unable to do so immediately...call your REAL family and seek help there. But, mostly seek it from yourself. Get on a budget. Stop being Mr. Big Shot. I think the world will be more impressed by how you care for your family than what you are smoking, riding or drinking.

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March 31, 2001, 09:39 PM Great message Donna. Bravo!

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March 31, 2001, 09:41 PM nice post Donna! She is right man.

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March 31, 2001, 09:44 PM Christ! And he was ragging on me about three dollars???? Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

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March 31, 2001, 09:48 PM Great Post Donna.<IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley34.gif' BORDER=0> And btw I like your sigtag now JOH. I was wondering for a while when you had.. I'm a CG Cornie.... oops I meant Cronie.

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March 31, 2001, 09:49 PM The sigtag has been changed for a few days now Tony. So when am I going to get my invite to the FPC Summit? <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley02.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15>

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March 31, 2001, 09:50 PM I also had EWB cronie should I add it back on there again? LOL!

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March 31, 2001, 09:51 PM I did send you the invite you declined.<IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley36.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=16>

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March 31, 2001, 09:54 PM I never got an invite Tony, I just assumed I was invited. But if I could afford to attend I would. But maybe we can get together for a smoke at CFC. Just wanted to check to see if my FPC membership was still valid. <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley02.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15>

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March 31, 2001, 10:02 PM Jim, I know you're reading this, and it's painful to see, but man.... you HAVE to know what's right and what's not. The Storey's have been incredibly generous towards your family, and now they're getting reamed for it. It's time to decide whether or not you're a man. What's it gonna be?

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March 31, 2001, 10:07 PM Good post, Donna.

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March 31, 2001, 10:47 PM Jim, this is the last straw. It's now time to be a man and stand up. You have the potential to be a fine person but in every life there comes a time when a person must look within and decide wheather you are going to suceed in life or fail. You've a lot to offer but all that may be lost if you don't decide right now to grow up and face your problems or you will fail and forever be a leach. Suck it up and meet your obligations. You got a good family. Don't blow it. You can't make it right in a day, but in the long haul it will be worth it. Good luck.

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March 31, 2001, 10:59 PM And I feel like a moocher when La Gloria gives me a bag with 10 cigars in it. I've heard of scams before but this takes the cake. No, this is sickening.

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March 31, 2001, 11:18 PM How come when I said this I caught flak?

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March 31, 2001, 11:27 PM People have been saying it for a long time.

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March 31, 2001, 11:38 PM Answer your own question Calvin. I'm too polite to say it.

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April 1, 2001, 12:05 AM I have never posted anything about anyone that is negative in this forum. I will not start now. My observations of Jim are only that he is guilty of envy beyond his control. He wants our success and lifestyle, he is envious of the success of Harris, Tony, Bruce and any other person that he perceives to be successful. He cannot grasp the concept that each and every successful person on the bulletin board earned the position in life they enjoy today. Jim wants it all without the sacrifice and hard work that it has taken each of us to get there. He wants my business, and the financial gain that each of us has created through hard work and the willingness to work as hard as we needed to to enjoy the fruits of our labors. Tony & Teresa are two of the hardest working most compassionate human beings I have had the honor of meeting. They worked darned hard to create success in their lives no one gave them any breaks. I do not know Harris well enough to know his background, but I admire his intelligence to be able to retire at his early age. More power to him! Bruce and Lindsay, I have only heard their names discussed with the greatest of admiration. I am deeply saddened for them. Jim, I begged you to get help, to learn to control your spending habits and learn to live within your means. You scorned my Motherly advise. You are smart and charming, you could have so much, if you were willing to earn it. The free ride is over. I worry about Hunter. What kind of example are you setting for the little guy? As a parent, his wants and needs should come before anything. You owe him food, clothing, shelter,stability and security. The good people here at CF are the best of the best, and generous to a fault. Get a handle on your life and unscrew the mess that you have made of it. I wish you the best.

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April 1, 2001, 12:10 AM This is a shame, probably the worst thing I have ever read at this board. What this has done is prove something that I already knew... Bruce and Lindsay are fantastic people. Forgive me if sticking on the positive, but the negatives that I have to say would end up getting this thread pulled, and it's something that people need to see and be aware of, and aware of now. Tony, I will say that scumbag wasn't the word that I was thinking of in this case. To the fire pit...

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April 1, 2001, 12:15 AM Amen, Mike. The Storey's are class.

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April 1, 2001, 04:00 AM Cornie no more, Donna and Jan thanks for you posts. Rich

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April 1, 2001, 04:37 AM Wow..My hostility towards CG has been hiding in me since my first post to CF. If you all remember when I came I got flamed over a proposed trade. It was CG that was the ringleader for no reason other than to show his power. About 3 weeks later we talked in the chatroom and I sent him a package worth about $300 to show him goodwill. People here know I send Airborne 2nd day or overnite. This package went overnite and the next day I checked and Jim signed for it. Weeks after I sent package not even a thank you from Jim. Then I saw him in the chatroom again. He didn't even mention the package and when I brought it up he said he wasn't sure if he'd gotten it! I own a rental in Tigard, Oregon and it came up in a chatroom conversation with Jim. He asked me to lease it to him because I was getting ready to sell it. The bad taste over the $300 cigar package evidently saved me thousands it appears,as I didn't even give a thought to leasing to Jim!!! I know I am adding fuel to the fire but I needed to get this off my chest. I feel very badly for all the folks this man has duped,but I know in my heart other people such as myself should have

stood up and said more a long time ago. Had we done it we may have saved some people some money.

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April 1, 2001, 05:15 AM Somebody should find Kelly's lover in Portland & LMK. I'll be happy to pay her & Hunters fare back to him. He most likely did love her & anything JS said was just a scam to get her back. Kelly get away from this guy & don't look back. Funny how her instincts were correct.

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April 1, 2001, 05:51 AM Given the nature of society, it amazes me these events don't happen more often on this board.

We are truly fortunate to have so many kind, generous, decent people here like Bruce and Lindsay, but I have encountered many more of the opposite variety in my (offline) life. Jim was given far too much slack while here. Knowing the various misdeeds he had committed, I was sickened by the outpouring of sympathy when his wife left him. Classic conman that he is, he ingratiated himself into the sympathies of the far too generous people here by posting the most inappropriately personal matters on this board...and only when it served his ulterior motives. The other thing that kills me is the kneejerk reaction people have to the subject of parenthood: "Oh, Jim has a kid. The poor guy. The poor kid. He can't be all that bad a guy. I mean, he's got a kid, fer chrissakes. As if this automatically excuses somebody from the ethical principles that govern the rest of us! Anyone who met Jim or heard about his exploits would know the fact that he brought a kid into this world had no effect whatsoever on his basic nature. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Procreation offers no protection against genetics.

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April 1, 2001, 05:54 AM Great post(s) Donna, Keith and NY Pete.

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April 1, 2001, 05:56 AM I can't believe this guy.Bruce and Lindsay are wonderful people who went out of there way to help him and his family.Then he does this to repay him.I hope that he has some self respect and corrects the matter.Somehow I doubt that will happen.

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April 1, 2001, 06:00 AM Keith has a point here...does anyone know where Jim's wife uesd to work? Isnt that where she met that guy and fell in love...? MAybe we can find him and re-unite the 2?

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April 1, 2001, 06:33 AM I was one of Jims Virtual CRONIES. This all started when Jim and RAG got into a flame war. We helped Jim and Kelly out when they made their move to Portland (and Jim wasted the money that was sent, but, it was his to do with as he pleased) We helped Jim when his marrage went

bad, and I do not know the outcome. Jim, if you are reading this post, please, do the right thing. Friendship is not as binding as love, but there is a certain amount of love in friendship. Remember "FEEL THE LOVE" Your own statement Jim. Don't hurt your friends in this way. I still have the same old e-mail and phone numbers if you would like to talk.

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April 1, 2001, 07:02 AM Just pay back the freekin' money you owe! Period. Frankly I dont give a rats patoody if you're a fine person with exceptional possibilitys or not..... I have never had the pleasure of dealing with or knowing Lindsay Storey,but I call her husband friend and a better friend you couldnt ask for. I can only surmise his wife is no less a person. And the fact is that dosnt even matter here. They helped you out,you borrowed money (and then some by the sounds) ,and now you need to pay them back and not leave them holding the bag for that mess you call a life. Grow up Jimmy, and pay up.

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April 1, 2001, 08:09 AM First of all...Jim id you are reading this....Have you no shame? Bruce and Lindsey are 2 of the best people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting in my life. They are both generous to a fault!! Lindsey stuck her neck out for you people, and this is how you repay her? My God, you 2...wake up!!

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April 1, 2001, 08:30 AM Whoa, hold on. Your all talking as if a good guy, slowly went bad. That isn't the case. Criminals of this stripe, i.e. "small time conmen", do this sort of thing, as long as you allow. You know he's sitting back, chortling to himself, and saying things like "Suckers, had it coming. I can't believe I got away with all the crap I pulled, for as long as I pulled it!" jancascade's profile of him isn't pertinent to just this one person. It's one of the standard issue, criminal characteristics profile: A burning envy and desire to be successful without effort. Thus stealing in it's many forms is O.K. with this class of grifter. He's nothing special. Just another low wattage, garden variety, dirtbag...

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April 1, 2001, 08:31 AM No indictment of anyone here, but this just fortifies my policy of keeping my Cyber-Cigar-Lovingfamily Members FACELESS and avoid personal interaction. I've met two CF members face-toface, one of them is the subject of this thread. I'll post and kid with you,,, I'll trade cigars with most of you,,, I'll Secret Santa with any of you,,, I'll donate stuff to your causes. But I'll stay at arms length just the same, thank-you. I'm sure this would never happen between me and any of you, but why tempt fate?

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April 1, 2001, 08:32 AM Well Lit...I don't agree with most things you post..In this case..your 100 percent correct!!

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April 1, 2001, 08:33 AM I have the utmost respect for the folks here that reached out to help CG. If what is claimed about CG is true, then he has truly stepped down to walk with the lowest forms of life in our society.

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April 1, 2001, 08:33 AM WL, Sounds like Clinton. <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley05.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15>

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April 1, 2001, 08:41 AM What an eye-opener! I always had a feeling stuff was up, but not to this extent. <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley06.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15> Storeys, I'm very sorry this has happened to you. No one deserves this crap. I'm reminded of the FU2K! t-shirt I ordered from Jim. Just $28 f'ing dollars, 2 months late, f'ed up screen colors, and then a plea for an extra $5 b/c the printer screwed him! Yeah, right. Rumor is he's going to do another run of shirts. This one will say: FU-CF! I think we all "Feel the Love". What a bastard.

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April 1, 2001, 08:52 AM I seem to remember CG had quite the gun and watch collection...Jim be a man and sell it all and pay these kind people back. Screwing up your own credit is one thing ( believe me I know) but screwing up another persons credit is entirely a different story.

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April 1, 2001, 09:09 AM Jim - If you're lurking and reading this, I hope some tragedy has not befallen you or your family that has led to this. If not, you need to get with Bruce and Lindsay and make this right ASAP. Tom, last I heard he had sold that stuff long ago, including his cigars.

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April 1, 2001, 09:12 AM This is truly sad. Lindsay and Bruce are good people and generous to a fault. Personal responsibility is key to the success of any individual. I hope Jim realizes this fact.

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April 1, 2001, 09:27 AM Boy I'm I' glad I' did'nt order the T'shirts!!! <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley36.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=16>

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April 1, 2001, 09:30 AM CG I' hope your reading all this and pay up what you owe. Man you screw'd a lot of people here be a real man and pay!!! <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley36.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=16>

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April 1, 2001, 09:32 AM Someone mentioned that Jim was hanging around one of the gun boards in the chat room.. Perhaps a visit is in order.

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April 1, 2001, 10:41 AM I too would like to know which gun board Jim is hanging around on. I just want to drop in and say hi. <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley01.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15>

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He's probably ripping People off at the Gun Boards.

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April 1, 2001, 11:02 AM Tony your deductive reasoning skills are truely sharp. LOL <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley05.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15>

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April 1, 2001, 11:14 AM I emailed this thread to CG.

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April 1, 2001, 11:16 AM The email bounced.

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April 1, 2001, 11:20 AM Is it possable to let this go, how many of us are involved in what happened anyway.

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April 1, 2001, 11:23 AM Man I have met jim and shared smokes with the man. This really dissapoints me.

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April 1, 2001, 11:24 AM No!, we need people to know about this scumbag before he does it to another Family member.. We are CigarFamily! And we will stick together.

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April 1, 2001, 11:24 AM THis piling on isn't doing anybody any good.

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April 1, 2001, 11:29 AM Lindsay Get in touch with the owner of the condo , find out how long it will take to get cg evicted . Next deposit the rent for that period in an escrow account to be paid to the owner AFTER cg is evicted . This will allow the owner to get his money for that time period without you paying cg's rent each month for the entire lease period . After cg is gone you sublease the property for the remaining time period. Then ( this is the important part ) run down cg and break his f--kin knees with a ball peen hammer bushi

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April 1, 2001, 11:43 AM This is unbelievable. It used to be that we had to worry about being in a crowd and getting our pockets picked. Now these fucking con men are coming right into our homes and stealing from us. Listen to me everyone. Two things you don't let your friends borrow. Your money and your wife.

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April 1, 2001, 11:51 AM Calvin, Yes it is. This guy made his mess and all should be warned. This is not a few weeks late on a trade. This is screwing people out of a lot( a significnt amount) of money.

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April 1, 2001, 11:53 AM Zipcode here posting from SLR's computer. I too have shared smokes with CG. Very sad to see what has happened here. Even though I thought he was an ok guy, I still got the impression he was a little full of himself. Well Lit, your analysis is outstanding. Even though we would all like to see some type of response, with this type of profile we probably never will. I wish Bruce and Lindsay all the best and hope that they are able to get back what they lost.

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April 1, 2001, 01:06 PM Karma.

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April 1, 2001, 01:52 PM what a shame, I'm sorry for the Storey's.

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April 1, 2001, 01:55 PM Bushi offers some decent advice. IF he won't even try to work this out with you, I strongly urge you to contact the townhouse owner or management ASAP and explain the situation and see if you can work something out with them. Otherwise, you are going to just get stuck paying this rent for the remainder of the lease with no meaningful redress. Even worse, depending upon the lease and exactly what you co-signed, maybe you could even get stuck with the bill for damage or theft to the property! You really don't want to take that chance with someone who is not man enough to deal with you straight. If you can make a deal with the owner or management, they should be able to get an eviction, whereas if you just keep paying - well, they won't! I have my own townhouses that I rent out, and I guarantee you if you came to me with this, I would work out a deal with you because I would want these deadbeats OUT of my property. In my experience, people who won't pay rent are also very likely to create tremendous damage to the property to the point where lost rent is the LEAST of the problems. The owner or management company should also understand that. This is probably the single saddest thing of this kind that I have read on any Internet site. You two sound like wonderful people, and I really hope this works out for you. God bless you!

Meanwhile, I also feel terrible for this guy's wife and child. Dear God, please help them. JAWTEK

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April 1, 2001, 02:20 PM Jawtek, I have rarely if ever agreed with any of your positions here except for your thoughtful & insightful response above.

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April 1, 2001, 02:37 PM Gar, don't be so surprised. Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds an acorn! LOL!

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April 1, 2001, 02:44 PM Unfortunate, but not unexpected... this sad news weighs on many of us. These experiances can often rob one of much more than money. They can rob one of his faith in the good character of other people. Knowing Bruce, this experiance will not harden his generous heart. This cyber family, for the most part, is made up of wonderful trustworthy people. Let's not let the follies of one pathetic, poor lost fool allow us to forget this.

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April 1, 2001, 03:25 PM I'm saddened reading this, especially for Bruce and Lindsay, however I'm not surprised, Jim Slekton is a big piece of shit loser!

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April 1, 2001, 03:46 PM This is truly sad......do the right thing Jim!

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April 1, 2001, 03:56 PM This thread makes me feel very much empathy for the Storey's and their quandry. It must be very difficult to be held hostage by someone that had earned your trust in the past. If Well-lit is correct with the personality analysis of Jim, then at least we are all smarter from our experiences with Jim. We'll be able to see the next con-man coming a mile away. Jim, you should find a way to do the right thing. For once.

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April 1, 2001, 04:05 PM So sad, so predictable.

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April 1, 2001, 04:17 PM I'm sad for Bruce and Linsday, however I'm not suprised! Jim Skelton is a con-man and a loser! Jim you should seek help and pay these people back you scumbag!

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April 1, 2001, 04:51 PM Where are all his cronies now? If you are still in touch with this loser, talk to him and get him to do the right thing......there are a few of you that still believe in this idiot, if you have any decency in you........<IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley36.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=16> get your so called friend to pay up. I'm sorry this is harsh but it's the truth.

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April 1, 2001, 04:57 PM While Jim could be a ok guy at times, there were just way to many things that happened that made me think something was just not right....The whole move across the country and accepting money from people was one of the most bizzar things I have ever seen in my life.

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April 1, 2001, 05:00 PM truly sad. maybe his friends will bail him out again or he'll auction off that IBTL again....where's Gary?

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April 1, 2001, 05:01 PM I;m sorry for everyone involved. Bruce and Lindsay for their genorosity, and CG, Kelly, and especially Hunter. What a terrible thing to teach your child

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April 1, 2001, 05:04 PM Dolfan-Dude, which move? The one from Florida to Oregon or the one from Oregon to Virginia? I personally hope that he gets evicted as soon as possible. For the first time in his adult life he will have to face up to the fact that he is a loser and has to pay up. He will be out on the street with no money, it will be tough, but it will be about time. I feel sorry for his son. But as for Kelly and Jim I feel nothing. They made their bed now it is time for them to lay in it.

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April 1, 2001, 05:07 PM wow, your hatred is blinding you Cannibul. It's sad to see you wish a family onto the streets just cause he ripped you off for chump change.

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April 1, 2001, 05:10 PM Cann, the 1st one, from FL to OR.....

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April 1, 2001, 05:12 PM I just wanted to be the 100th post,,,, carry on!

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April 1, 2001, 05:13 PM 100... just because... and I have a story...

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April 1, 2001, 05:15 PM Where'd my post go?! <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley07.gif' BORDER=0> To reiterate, I'm sorry to Bruce and Lindsay for this dirtbag ripping you off. I felt ripped off with the T-shirt debacle he did. $28 for a t-shirt that was printed up wrong and months late, and then a request for $5 more b/c the silkscreener ripped him off?! Give me a freakin' break. What goes around comes around...

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April 1, 2001, 06:39 PM I'm surprised Mrs. Turtle Trainer hasn't shown up to tell us what losers we are here at CF. Again.

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April 1, 2001, 06:42 PM I'm sure we will soon Scott or maybe some that still believe in this loser.

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April 1, 2001, 06:51 PM Kaju, I don't think that anyone should be hard on the people who believed in Jim. They are

victims also...just like Bruce and Lindsay.

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April 1, 2001, 07:03 PM I agree with you Donna. These people were taken as bad as the storeys--they were conned out of their trust and friendship.

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April 1, 2001, 07:11 PM Wow, I feel like such a F'n loser now. I was the one that took up a donation to help Jim and Kelly with their move from Florida to Oregon. Here I just thought I was helping a friend and trying to do something nice for someone. You know what, I did the same exact thing that Bruce and Lindsay did.

I'd like to thank everyone here that sees fit to judge MY motives. No, I'm not offering to bail Jim out, this is his problem to fix. I'm sorry Tony, I consider you one of my great friends here at CF. This thread truly disturbs me.

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April 1, 2001, 07:14 PM Trust. Friendship. On an internet site. <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley02.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15> Some people never learn.

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April 1, 2001, 07:17 PM Jon, motives of those who find it in there hearts to help someone have never been brought into

question or did I miss something buried in this thread?

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April 1, 2001, 07:19 PM Note to self: Never question motives of man who knows how to use explosives! LOL!

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April 1, 2001, 07:21 PM I've been fooled also...there's nothing to be sorry for Swatter he has fooled all of us.

We all just need to watch out for people like this. Your right Donna....Remember this thread was not intended to make people feel bad or anything like that, it was just to let everyone know that this guy really hurt all of the Familia and not to give him anymore help. I'm sorry if this thread has rubbed you the wrong way familia...I didn't mean for that. But on a nicer note you can go to my thread I'm a CG Cornie.LOL

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April 1, 2001, 07:22 PM Jon, Unfortunately there are people in this world that take advantage of the truly good people. The loss and shame of this falls on Jim. Not on you or anyone else that helped him or stuck up for him in the past. My personal and cyber interactions with Jim were never bad, but this is inexcusable. He has disappointed many people that used to call him friend.

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April 1, 2001, 07:25 PM From BaronZ: "Mr Skelton managed to bilk quite a few folks out of money. He was quite good at it. Exactly how much did he get when he moved his family west from well meaning family members? " That was my doing, CG knew nothing about it until I gave him the money. What business is it of BaronZ's? From Bluntman: "truly sad. maybe his friends will bail him out again"

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April 1, 2001, 07:28 PM If anyone here takes exception to the money used for the Skelton's move from Florida to Oregon, then you need to take it up with me and no one else.

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April 1, 2001, 07:31 PM Maybe this is like the saying, " 'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all." I too feel like a fool running around getting that stupid turtle lighter engraved wishing him good luck when he went to work for Jan. But, deep inside, I know that I am a better person because I do have good will and the desire to help my fellow man than if I didn't dare to trust. Then again, we're not the fools! Look at the friends who could have been there for Jim through thick or thin his whole life. He's the biggest loser here.

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April 1, 2001, 07:53 PM I first met Jim, Kelly, and Hunter at the herf in SoCal when Jim and his family stopped on his way to Oregon. It ws my first herf and I really enjoyed myself. I met lots of nice people including Jim and his family. Trying to analyze his behavior in all this is not really our job.I hope he comes through with Bruce and Lindsay. As others have said we all lose, but he is the biggest loser of all.

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April 1, 2001, 07:54 PM There is no shame in helping out another person in need, especially when it comes from the heart. It doesnâ&#x20AC;&#x2122;t matter who helped him, or what he did with the money. The fact of the mater is, the people who helped out Jim, and his family did so from their heart, and not for any notoriety or pat on the back. It was done for selfless reasons. My opinion is.... that Jim did not do the right thing by his family, and also the brethren here at CF. On the other hand; this sort of thing makes me more proud than ever to be a member of this fraternal order of cigar lovers. I hope I never have to call on this cigar family for a lift up, but it sure is nice to know that you wonderful bunch of individuals are there if the occasion ever arises. Thank you for being compassionate. Your cigar buddy, Nick

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April 1, 2001, 07:54 PM Swatter, what you did was a nobel thing. I'm sorry you took my observation the wrong way. It was Jim's acceptance of that money, and what he did with it that rubbed so many the wrong way. You did nothing wrong, I apologise for the inference if there was one.

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April 1, 2001, 07:55 PM Well put!

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April 1, 2001, 08:02 PM Nicely put Nick...................

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April 1, 2001, 08:06 PM Baron - apology accepted. Nick - weel put my brother.

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April 1, 2001, 08:26 PM Where the hell does this scumbag live? Maybe we should get a few Cigar family members to meet up in the city he lives in and pay his grifting ass a visit? I would be willing to drive across the country just to help in the serious ass whooping this low-life scum of the earth needs. Better yet if someone offered me a premium cigar just as a gift (not payment) I'd go wherever he lives and do it myself! Just let me know if you want it done Bruce and Lindsay...I'm only an email away. I just hate Fn spineless pricks like this that take advantage of good people.

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April 1, 2001, 08:27 PM Sorry, but Jim never was Family. He used and abused many of us. He was Only here for himself. I too fell victim to his B.S. But the wierd thing is, Jim will probably make another cross country roadtrip, and collect $$$ and cigars from his many supporters who believe that HE is the victim. CG Cronies, your main man is in need of your support.

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April 1, 2001, 08:49 PM Hey Shadow? I got an OpusX A<IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley01.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15>

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April 1, 2001, 09:58 PM Now I don't know Campana personally but...talk about things that make you go Hmmmmm????? Campana has only been a member here since 12/28/00. His intials are J.S. and he's from O'Town, Florida. He has no traders comments. He posts as if he has intimate insight into this affair. So who is "Campana"??????

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April 1, 2001, 10:29 PM I truly hope the Jim decides to do the right thing. I feel for the Storeys. Unfortunately, I believe there are many others with significant loans to Jim and his family that were promised repayment a long time ago. I only hope that they will one day receive it. I also agree with many others that it is sad, but I certainly will have a hard time lending friends money again. Sincerely, Roy Seeman

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April 2, 2001, 04:44 AM Swatter, I have been around here for over 2 years and have met a few family members. I don't trade, hense no comments. Like I said, I too fell victim to CG over a year ago, but have seen through all of the BS since. Sorry you got so taken in. The question is: who and what is CG, I think everyone knows now.

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April 2, 2001, 05:38 AM Jim is, I am sure, obsessively reading all of this. So, JIM, I have one and only one suggestion. I make it in absolute earnest. www.debtorsanonymous.org There IS help available for you. For your sake, for your wife's, for your kid's, seek that help, and use it to your benefit.

The first step is to be willing to acknowledge that you are powerless over a true sickness here.

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April 2, 2001, 06:16 AM When someone abuses your trust and kindness, it hurts. First there is denial about the reality of their actions, but time will let it sink in. This reminds me of the Terbacky saga. A family member (in good standing at the time) was going through hard times, and those of us who were interested in helping out did so. We felt good helping. He accepted with graciousness. When he tried to recover, he was in over his head and couldn't maintain his previous level of participation and commitment. He left lots of folks hanging...me included. In the end we felt used, abused and angry. But it didn't mean that what we did to help out initially was wrong. It's not wrong to care, trust and assist, it's wrong to accept, use and then disregard other's kindness and friendship. Unfortunately, generous people will come across these individuals without knowing it until it's too late. I will never feel bad about myself putting trust in someone and helping them. If I did, I would never help anyone again.

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April 2, 2001, 06:18 AM Bruce and Lindsay I'm sorry to see this happen to you. This does prove my instincts were correct.

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April 2, 2001, 06:30 AM I have just posted a long reply on the CG Cronies thread. Many of you might want to jump over there and read it.

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April 2, 2001, 07:04 AM Unfortunately, when its all said and done Hunter is the one is going to feel the brunt of CG's disregard. There are no words to describe the failure of a parent...

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April 2, 2001, 07:08 AM I have too many things to say on this, but what's the point? I just wonder if CG is reading this and getting a kick out of how he screwed so many folks over.

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April 2, 2001, 07:09 AM Hey Pmag, how's some QDO's treating you that you havent finished the deal on. A friend is waiting.

Sorry to threadjack.

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April 2, 2001, 07:18 AM Well now it is my turn <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley06.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15> Bruce and Lindsay, I have discussed this in depth with you and have for a while, you know how I feel <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley06.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15> As far as Jimmy, Jimmy was my roomate for CFC 1999, and to me that is when is scamming started. I paid for the entire room for the weekend and he was going to send me a check- that never happened, I stay at his house for a few days after CFC so I felt we were even. He insisted on paying me back. So when he was moving to OR I said keep the mone and good luck, it was only a few hundred bucks ( I sent him a bunch of smokes for the trip too) but nevertheless it was part of his scam <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley06.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15> Jimmy do the right thing for your family and friends. If our paths ever cross again , I will express my feelings to you the way I should have at the MAFPC Herf, but unlike YOU I have class and would not insult the hosts ( Bruce and Lindsay ) and would not embarrass Wendy that way. But you need a SLAP, maybe it would knock some sense into that think head of yours!

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April 2, 2001, 07:28 AM As more and more comes out, this is worse and worse... such a shame. I'm sorry for all the parties involved. I know most of you, and I know how generous you are, and how bad I know it hurts inside to see that you were being used. Please remember that not everyone is this way, matter of fact, this is an exception to the rule.

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April 2, 2001, 07:31 AM CampanaI stand correct and apologize for the innuendo.

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April 2, 2001, 07:32 AM DUH! Make that corrected (Where's my coffee?)

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April 2, 2001, 07:40 AM Scott, he needs more than a SLAP! This will probably be the worst thing that I have ever posted and I'm sorry for it but it's the Truth. Jim and Kelly if you do anything that is right in your lives.....it would be giving your child to someone maybe in your family to take good care of him before something really serious happens to him under your care.....you two are irresponsible adults and parents.....Perhaps this would be the best thing for Hunter at this moment, until you seek help for yourselves financially and mentally.

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April 2, 2001, 07:41 AM I hate to say this, but if the information about the unpaid rent at various apartments, the unpaid cars and the other purloined property is true, then the stuff at PAD and with Bruce and Lindsay is just the tip of the iceberg. IMHO, CG sounds like a full-fledged grifter. If this is the case, then someone should contact the proper authorities. Conmen can only be stopped if their victims come forward which often doesn't happen b/c they are embarassed that they were taken. Nevertheless, there is a cost to this, as the vendors whom he stole from will have to make claims on their insurance policies, the insurance companies will raise their rates and they will pass along these costs to honest people like you and me. Instead of trying to talk sense into him (in my opinion, not possible), someone with the information should be calling the police before he cons another decent person out of their property and trust.

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April 2, 2001, 07:43 AM I agree.

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April 2, 2001, 07:52 AM I would do it in a heartbeat!! Stick his butt in jail!

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April 2, 2001, 08:26 AM This is truly sad. Very, very disturbing. This is definitely going to catch up to him. It always catches up to people like him. Users like this always end up paying in the long run. We all hope this turns out ok, but I think we know different. <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley06.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15>

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April 2, 2001, 09:21 AM Maybe CG could get on the weekest link game show. LOL! YOU AE THE WEEKEST LINK! GOODBYE!

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April 2, 2001, 09:25 AM I IM'd Corona Gorda today. He asked me to post this for him as he no longer has a member rpofile here which would allow him access to the Clubhouse to post. "I have nothing to say except I F-ed up. Not to the severity of all the other accusations, but I have a financial obligation to Bruce and Lindsay, and am doing what is needed to be done to make it right. This was being done long before this thread. There was nothing done to hurt them, they have sacrificed a great deal to help me, and the fault is entirely mine. My misfortune has affected their lives and for that there is no excuse. I can only give my apology to them for what has been done. I offered to them to do ANYTHING, and EVERYTHING to turn this around. I am awaiting their response to my efforts. There is no con, only someone who was afraid of losing what life I had. I should have never let 2 good people like the Storeys be affected by my own screwups. I cannot apologize for what has been done, but I can make it right, I only need the chance to do so. -Jim-"

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April 2, 2001, 09:30 AM He's just going to give some Lame a$$ excuse again he's still the same con man.<IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley07.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15>

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April 2, 2001, 09:35 AM How many wrongs are there before there's a right?

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April 2, 2001, 09:37 AM Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me. What number are we up to?

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April 2, 2001, 09:41 AM "No member profile".....that's weak!

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April 2, 2001, 09:42 AM Excuses and apologies are like assholes. Everybody's got one.

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April 2, 2001, 09:43 AM Too little to late... IMHO!!

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April 2, 2001, 09:44 AM He's just trying to play you guys one more time--how weak is that lame apology?

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April 2, 2001, 09:53 AM That "apology" looked and sounded familiar. <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley36.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=16>

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Jail is where he should be. Jim is no con man he is a thief plain & simple. I hope Kelly reaches out to someone here privately to explain her side & what if anything she plans to do about.

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April 2, 2001, 10:07 AM I feel sick. I always like CG although I never met the man in person. I think what Donna and Jan said describes my feelings the best. CG, I hope you can make this right no matter how long it takes. If I look on the good side of this, it's that it reassures me that my thinking that there are a lot of good and generous people on this board is true. I DO think you can and should trust the CF family members until something happens that makes one lose that trust. One last bit of advices though; Whether one was screwed over or not, we should all be able to forgive and forget (while keeping our guard up). If Jesus could forgive the guys that crucified him, we should be able to forgive Jim the person not Jim's behavior. my .02

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April 2, 2001, 10:15 AM Forgive and Forget????......I think not.....No one will ever forget maybe forgive if you have it in your heart....I know for a fact I wouldn't.....after so many times......<IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley07.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15>

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April 2, 2001, 10:20 AM Why not just shut your mouth for a change CG and act instead? You are a liar and a thief. Nothing you ever say will change this. However, paying some of your past debts might help heal a few wounds. If nothing else you will provide closure to those you have taken advantage of.

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April 2, 2001, 10:24 AM Kaju, Ok, forget might not be prudent, forgive I'll stick with. I have been out of the loop on all of this until I read this thread. I had no idea what was going on and that it have been going on for some time. I feel bad for everyone involved.

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April 2, 2001, 10:35 AM That was an excuse, NOT an apology!!

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April 2, 2001, 10:38 AM That so called apology sounded so familiar and so weak.

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April 2, 2001, 10:41 AM CG....Do something about this and stop all your bull shi$$!!

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April 2, 2001, 10:41 AM Has somebody started a tally of the amounts stolen?

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April 2, 2001, 10:46 AM garhead, I have a figure in mind. It is in the low five digits.

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April 2, 2001, 10:48 AM Let's just round it off to $100,000.00<IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley34.gif' BORDER=0> In case anything else arises.LOL

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April 2, 2001, 10:55 AM Rex, I don't know what you mean by low 5's but I suspect when it's all tallied it's in the $ 20 30's

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April 2, 2001, 11:31 AM Isn't it easy to register, even if using a new handle?

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April 2, 2001, 11:31 AM WOW! 20 G's in tax free cash! hopefully in denominations less than 10k to avoid listing it on tax returns (if he files any). throw in another 10k in cigars he sold and maybe more than that in guns or watches that were sold and we're fast approaching $50k without even getting into paychecks. Not bad for tax free money, especially living in relatively inexpensive parts of the country. I do not know CG personally but whenever I've seen this pattern before there was usually an underlying gambling or drug habit. I hope that is not the case here for the sake of his family.

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April 2, 2001, 11:35 AM Well take a look at the Situation about his wife running off with a drug addict, perhaps she was an addict he had to support or maybe even himself and hid it from all of us.

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April 2, 2001, 11:43 AM Kaju who cares... he's a thief, but I can hear him writting his long story now, just like 'my wife left me' threads.

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April 2, 2001, 11:47 AM LOL.

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April 2, 2001, 11:49 AM My bet is that he will try to turn this around on us, make it our fault that he has a seriously flawed character. I seriously doubt he will take any responsibilty for his actions. In CG's world, CF's slogan is "Bend Over and Feel the Love!"

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April 2, 2001, 11:59 AM I think he should sell his turtle on the street.

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April 2, 2001, 12:13 PM Hey Scott...what is the street value of his Turtle..LOL!!!

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April 2, 2001, 12:20 PM Guys and girls, Jim is no con man or grifter. He was so obvious from the beginning that a few of us knew what he was about after the first Hartford herf. He is a user, he isn't smart enough to be a grifter. He never had a gun collection or rolex collection, he was never the manager for 6 tobacco stores. He was a friggin clerk for one of the stores. All you had to do was listen when he opened his mouth and you knew he was lying. The first time I knew he was a liar was sitting at the table at the Brew pub in Hartford as he described his gun collection. Right then and there I knew this guy was a wannabee. It is too bad that many of you didn't see through his bs before you actually gave him money.

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April 2, 2001, 12:26 PM I agree, Harris.

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April 2, 2001, 12:39 PM CG's gotta be legally confronted with his actions, or he'll never change. From all I've read, and having been the victim of some of his infamous flames, AND knowing someone who personally came close to getting scammed by Jim, I'd define him as a user, not a grifter. A grifter has the forethought to steal. A user isn't far off, but usually doesn't want to hurt those that they do, but has no conscience about it when they do. If Jim's a user, legal consequences may turn his boat. If he's a grifter, he belongs in jail. Either way, turn the guy in to authorities as a con man and let the law work it out. BTW, forgiving Jim doesn't mean letting him off the hook. I believe in forgiveness.

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April 2, 2001, 01:35 PM Swatter, if you are in touch with Jim in anyway....please tell him for me that there is only one way to get this straightened out and that is to work like a dog, pay the rent on time and send the people he owes something every single week on payday. And, he needs to stop feeling misfortunate and take action to mend his life. Thanks

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April 2, 2001, 01:53 PM "Not to the severity of all the other accusations, but I have a financial obligation to Bruce and Lindsay, and am doing what is needed to be done to make it right." So, the rest of you who claim a debt owed to you are evidently not all telling the truth, and the only debt he acknowledges or is intending to pay back is Bruce and Lindsay, at least that what he seems to have said. Not an apology or an excuse, just more denials.

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April 2, 2001, 01:55 PM I can't believe all this $hit about Jim I'm reading......well I can believe it.......but I'm just a little shocked that it went so deep. I just feel bad for those who were directly affected.

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April 2, 2001, 02:01 PM Hey bkwalker, isn't this someones cue to step up to the financial plate? lol.

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April 2, 2001, 02:28 PM What he had posted, was taken from the pages of the "Grifter's Handbook" 1. Stall 2. Never accept full responsibility. Make profound sounds of sincerity and be creative with excuses. (The mark needs them in order to keep nagging doubt at bay. Then he can keep on giving to you and you can keep on taking.) 3. NEVER follow through on any promises, unless they set up the mark, for a bigger score... 4. Never stay in any one place for very long. (Your accomplishments have a pesky way of coming back to haunt you.) 5. Disappear and Reinvent yourself. (Upcoming, final step, in the "You're screwed, but good", cycle.) How many steps have you counted so far?

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April 2, 2001, 02:31 PM Egads... this is a sorry story.

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April 2, 2001, 02:43 PM OK......This is a hard subject. I hope those that have sustained a financial loss are OK. Enough threads have been started or brought out of the archives. People now know that there is a problem and it should be corrected. I would like to suggest that those that have sustained a bonafide loss deal directly with Jim or another authority. Those that have no business making comments or are going on emotional heresay should just mind their own business. Some of the stupid comments here today cannot be helping matters much.

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April 2, 2001, 02:53 PM Many good posts, but I especially liked Jan Cascade's.

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April 2, 2001, 03:24 PM Hey, that was a nice apology. He said he "will do anything to make this good". Am I missing something, or would paying them back cover it. It's not that complicated Jim.

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April 2, 2001, 03:51 PM Wow, this place is really unbelieveable. I guess I just view it as a fun web spot to chat with other fellow enthusiasts, but this is way over the line imo. I had no idea that such close personal relationships were developed here that substantial sums of money were borrowed and loaned. In a way it helped to boast good feelings for my fellow man, in another it makes me sad to see such trusts breached. I really don't know what to say. I've known people for years and years that I would have trouble lending money to. It's a real shame, but sometimes I think many of you need to back away from here and get a life. I don't mean this as an insult at all, but really...this is a very strange phenonenom here. Again, I don't mean to insult anyone, but I really don't understand any of this...at all. Can

someone please explain?

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April 2, 2001, 03:53 PM Is Jim related to Red?

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April 2, 2001, 03:55 PM Please.... No member profile.... I'm lost in the woods... my dog ate it... I really loved her at the time... I'll take care of you as soon as I can... Blah blah blah.... I've heard them all before. CG is the lowest of the low. Bruce and Lindsay, I hope you don't get hurt too badly by this. The worst part is the best people get hurt by the worst. Jim, you are scum.... I hope you don't have mirrors under whatever rock you live, it would be hell to look into one everyday....

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April 2, 2001, 04:25 PM Words to live by...don't loan a friend money unless you are ready for it to become a gift. In other words, if you can't imagine giving them the money they need, don't consider loaning them any either. Nine times out of ten it will bite you in the ass.

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April 2, 2001, 04:39 PM SAF....right out of the Bible. Good word.

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April 2, 2001, 05:17 PM Donna- I already told him that.

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April 2, 2001, 06:11 PM If you lend money to a friend, have that friend give you a "post dated" check, for the same amount that you loaned him. Then if he fails to pay you later, you have his check. And if it bounces, there are new laws for bounced checks. It's called going to jail.

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April 2, 2001, 07:49 PM This really makes me sick to my stomach. I really felt ill all day because of this and what Jim has done to some of the good people here. Man this sucks.

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April 2, 2001, 08:57 PM How do I stop Laughing so hard. LMAO @ Scott Words to live by...don't loan a friend money unless you are ready for it to become a gift.<IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley34.gif' BORDER=0>

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April 2, 2001, 09:22 PM Never loan money to a person who doesn't have a pot to piss in to begin with either! This Jim Skelton guy is a real Fn loser.

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April 2, 2001, 09:27 PM ahh...blah blah fucking blah. Are you people tired of this yet? This isn't why I joined CF...

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get used to it Russ. This is a once a year thing here. There are usually smaller scale events similar to this one that happen abdout every 6-8 weeks.

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April 2, 2001, 09:41 PM Two comments. Make that three. 1. Feel the love. 2. Family 3. <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley02.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15>

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April 2, 2001, 09:52 PM Make it four. 4. Told ya so. A long time ago.

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April 2, 2001, 10:31 PM I post here, without further comment, a list from the excellent Debtor's Anonymous page that PMagus mentioned above ( <a href="http://www.debtorsanonymous.org">http://www.debtorsanonymous.org</a> ): Twelve Signposts on the Road to Becoming a Compulsive Debtor 1. Being unclear about your financial situation. Not knowing account balances, monthly expenses, loan interest rates, fees, fines, or contractual obligations. 2. Frequently "borrowing" items such as books, pens, or small amounts of money from friends and others, and failing to return them. 3. Poor saving habits. Not planning for taxes, retirement or other not-recurring but predictable items, and then feeling surprised when they come due; a "live for today, don't worry about tomorrow" attitude." 4. Compulsive shopping: Being unable to pass up a "good deal"; making impulsive purchases; leaving price tags on clothes so they can be returned; not using items you've purchased. 5. Difficulty in meeting basic financial or personal obligations, and/or an inordinate sense of accomplishment when such obligations are met. 6. A different feeling when buying things on credit than when paying cash, a feeling of being in the club, of being accepted, of being grown up. 7. Living in chaos and drama around money: Using one credit card to pay another; bouncing checks; always having a financial crises to contend with. 8. A tendency to live on the edge: Living paycheck to paycheck; taking risks with health and car

insurance coverage; writing checks hoping money will appear to cover them. 9. Unwarrented inhibition and embarassment in what should be a normal discussion of money. 10. Overworking or underearning: Working extra hours to earn money to pay creditors; using time inefficiently; taking jobs below your skill and education level. 11. An unwillingness to care for and value yourself: Living in self-imposed deprivation; denying your basic needs in order to pay your creditors. 12. A feeling or hope that someone will take care of you if necessary, so that you won't really get into serious financial trouble, that there will always be someone you can turn to.

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April 3, 2001, 06:21 AM How sad. Sorry you got burned Lindsay & Bruce.

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April 3, 2001, 06:24 AM That's an EYE-OPENING list! Thank you. If you have a minute, could you e-mail it too me? Thanks.

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April 3, 2001, 06:28 AM 200 did I win?

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April 3, 2001, 06:29 AM

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Hey Ross, I had some fun hanging with you BUT if you don't like it don't read it or leave. Maybe you should "lend" cg a few bills and see how it feels?

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April 3, 2001, 08:02 AM top for Fuente Fan

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April 3, 2001, 08:36 AM What's a bash CG thread without me piling on?

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I am sorry for anybody who lost money, your heart was in the right place, but Harris was right. This guy ain't in the grifter hall of fame. I like to feel I'm a pretty good judge of character and I was one of the first anti-CG guys around here. Took a fair amount of heat for it, but I don't blame people for sticking up for friends. It's an admirable quality. Yep, I got burned by Terbacky too. Wasn't trying to help, just wanted to buy smokes. Really, anybody needing help from internet buddies should throw up a caution flag anywhere. It usually means they have exhausted their other resources. Good luck to all involved.

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April 3, 2001, 09:38 AM ~rant on~ How about a big hearty, FU.

"Oh look, my dog just said, 'Carlito'"!!

Flake best describes my first opinion of CG, I also got tired of him posting pictures of his big head.

~Rant Off~

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April 3, 2001, 01:28 PM Damn Scotty...I didn't know you were that riled up that the Rangers missed the playoffs...sorry... You comin to the Pitt herf or whatever we decide to call it?

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April 3, 2001, 02:42 PM "It's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that." - Better Off Dead

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April 3, 2001, 02:52 PM LMAO! Classic flick.....

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April 3, 2001, 05:00 PM top

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April 4, 2001, 06:03 AM Top for robhlyn <IMG SRC='/cf4/images/smiley/smiley01.gif' BORDER=0 WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15>

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April 10, 2001, 04:20 PM I am bringing this one back up to the top for all you Fn Armchair Detectives who got their License out of a CrackerJack box. Let me see if I can help you slow people out. The thread title and post by HAVE Jim Skelton's Name in it. The post has aka Corona Gorda. The post also has Bruce and Lindsey Storey in it. The post talks about how the Scumbag stiffed the Storey's out of monies owed. The post date is 3/31/01. Dave Shadow joins CigarFamily 2/01/01. Need any more help Detectives? LOL!

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December 20, 2007, 07:22 PM Quote: Originally Posted by swatter

I IM'd Corona Gorda today. He asked me to post this for him as he no longer has a member rpofile here which would allow him access to the Clubhouse to post. "I have nothing to say except I F-ed up. Not to the severity of all the other accusations, but I have a financial obligation to Bruce and Lindsay, and am doing what is needed to be done to make it right. This was being done long before this thread. There was nothing done to hurt them, they have sacrificed a great deal to help me, and the fault is entirely mine. My misfortune has affected their lives and for that there is no excuse. I can only give my apology to them for what has been done. I offered to them to do ANYTHING, and EVERYTHING to turn this around. I am awaiting their response to my efforts. There is no con, only someone who was afraid of losing what life I had. I should have never let 2 good people like the Storeys be affected by my own screwups. I cannot apologize for what has been done, but I can make it right, I only need the chance to do so. -Jim-"

Well, looks like he had plenty of chances... and he's making enough money hawking crap watches now to pay them back if he wanted to (if still employed). What a dirtbag.

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December 20, 2007, 07:38 PM So, does anyone want to sell me a watch or what?? Holy sh*t. what a scumbag....

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December 21, 2007, 12:30 PM Lot's of Corona Gorda history now available for the newbies. It would be difficult for anyone to top the crap he got away with on CF.

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December 21, 2007, 12:35 PM Seems as though the internet can be a great tool to get even with someone. Although it sounds like there's very little that could ever be done to him that would make what he did and the people he did it to whole again. But with the information out there, there's got to be someone here who would be willing to just call up his company, or the tv station or whoever necessary and start spreading the word. Even if you get blown off as a nutcase, the simple act of sowing the seeds of mistrust can go a long way.

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December 21, 2007, 12:44 PM I wonder if he is reading this, right now. I wonder what his boss would think, after reading about his past history. His boss, Frank Elsenbast, would probably not think too much of him if someone were to e-mail him the threads at felsenbast@shopnbc.com. Maybe Jim Skelton will post here and explain himself. Maybe not...

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December 21, 2007, 01:09 PM Wow. I hope he is not related to Red Skelton. . .

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December 27, 2007, 09:12 PM I miss Corona Gorda...

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December 27, 2007, 09:14 PM Why does is show "Today, 05:12 AM," above when it's 9:12ish PM Pacific Time on Thursday, Dec 27? Is it tomorrow already?

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December 27, 2007, 09:28 PM Quote: Originally Posted by Irondoll

Why does is show "Today, 05:12 AM," above when it's 9:12ish PM Pacific Time on Thursday, Dec 27? Is it tomorrow already?

Because you never set your time zone in your profile.

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May 17, 2009, 02:11 PM This is one hell of a read.

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May 17, 2009, 04:36 PM Most scumbags are.

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