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Engineer ‘’Ali: Mirza: is asked a number of question in regard to his beliefs about Holy Qur’a:n.

Once again he is asked in some systematic manner, yet these questions may be found in lists of questions asked before. But in some what more organized way and in more simplified forms.

Further more Engineer ‘’Ali: Mirza: declares great scholars of Minority of ‘Ahlussunnah as COMMITTER OF KUFR on the bases of some Theological Errors. These questions and conundrums may reveal the fact that Engineer ‘’Ali: Mirza: is a Mu’’t-z-li: minded person and his ‘I’’t-za:l can be unveiled if he attempts to answer these questions and conundrums. It may also be noted that he is also against the Majority of ‘Ahlussunnah as well. He is on the Manhaj [M-nh-j] of Bid’’ah [On the Way of Heresy].

These questions and conundrums are carefully selected and rationally arranged after a number of discussions. As for Us we do Believe in the Eternity and Uncreatedness of Holy Qur’a:n as an Essential Attribute as Majority of ‘Ahlussunnah believes but do not declare Minority of ‘Ahlussunnah as Ka:fir just because they believe in the Dogma of Uncreated but Non Eternal.

To discard a dogma is one thing to declare it Kufr is an other thing.

Minority of ‘Ahlussunah HOLDS the following beliefs:= 1]Doeth God Speak by His Will/Intention.?

2]Doeth At times God Will /Intend to Speak, and at times God Willeth /Intendeth not to Speak.?

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3] Is There is no Esoteric Divine Speech [‘Al Kala:m ‘An Nafsi:]?

4] If God Speaketh then Doeth the Speech of God Come in Existence from Nonexistence/Nothingness?

5] When God Speaketh Not then Doeth no Speech Of God Come in Existence from Non Existence?

6] When God Willeth /Intendeth to Speak a Speech ,Doeth the Act of Speaking come in Existence from Non Existence immediately without any delay?

7] Are ‘ The Act of Speaking a Speech and the Term of Speech which is implied by the Act of Speaking’ Uncreated and Non Eternal?

8] Are Neither the Act of Speaking a Speech nor the very Term of Spoken Speech by the Act of Speaking Per Se Subsistent [Qa:’im Bidh: Dh:a:t] in the Divine Case.[ Any thing that is implied by an Act is a Term of the Act]?

9]Is A Divine Act Neither Eternal Nor Created?

10]Is the Term of a Divine Act [if the Divine Act Hath Any] also Neither Created Nor Eternal.

11] Does This [Q:10] mean that Engineer of Jhelum does Accept that all Non Eternals are Creations WITH THE EXCEPTION OF Divine Acts and The Terms Of Divine Acts [If Some of them have some].

If Engineer of Jhelum responds in negation in regard to some of the stated above questions then he is asked to respond explicitly.

If Engineer of Jhelum responds in affirmation in regard to some of the stated above questions then he is asked to respond explicitly.

The condition of Explicitness is Imposed and never dropped throughout this questionnaire, if each one of his response is in negation or each one of the response is in affirmation.

To the followers of the Engineer Of Jhelum it is most humbly requested that Engineer ‘’ali: Mirza: believes in contradictions and his ideas ,views and beliefs often contradict either directly or indirectly.

So it is necessary to present his beliefs to the scholars of the Muslim World so that the Muslims all over the world may get aware of his heresies and beware of his heretic inclinations.

It may be the case that in some cases even he is unable to understand the inconsistency in his own system of beliefs , thoughts and ideas, It is also necessary for the listeners and followers of this person to understand the ideological, theological and conceptual problems in the entire system of the Engineer, before the decide whether to drift away from his circle or to continue his following.

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Page 4 of 9 Now there is another class of question given below.

[Some may find some repetition but these questions are presented to clarify some subtle ideological and theological ambiguities in the system of the Engineer of Jhelum.]

1] Is each verse [‘A:yah] of Qur’a:n Spoken by God ? If it is so then the question is whether it was spoken Intentionally by God [‘ALL-H] or Unintentionally [Bil ‘Ira:dah or Bi Gh:airil ‘Ira:dah].

If it is Spoken by’ALL-H Bil ‘Iradah then It is Absolutely Impossible that THE ACT OF SPEAKING AND THE SPOKEN Verses are Eternal. If it is Spoken Bi Gh:airil ‘ira:dah then it is Absolutely Impossible that both of the them [ Act of Speaking and the Spoken Verses] are Not Eternal.

So Engineer of Jhelum if he claims that they are both Eternal and Intentional [Bil ‘Ira:dah] then he is just deceiving.

2] Is each Verse of Qur’a:n Associated with the Divine Essence [Dh:a:tul Ba:ri:].

If it is then whether Engineer of Jhelum believes that these verses and the act of speaking of these Verses to be Intentional or Unintentional in regard to Divine Intention/Will [‘Ira:datul Ba:ri:].

If they are Associated With Divine Essence then it is Absolutely Impossible Upon Divine Essence that they are Intentional [Bil ‘Ira:dah].

If they are Intentional then it is Absolutely Impossible for them to be Associated With Divine Essence.

3] Does Engineer ‘’Ali: Mirza: believes that ANY THING that is NEITHER the Divine Essence Itself Nor Associated With the Divine Essence is Separate [Gh:air] From God/Deity [‘ALL-H]?

If Engineer does believe that there is atleast one thing that is Neither the Divine Essence Itself Nor Associated With Divine Essence ,but it is not Separate From God then he is just making deception and Is openly deceiving his followers.

Since Anything that is Separate from God [Divine Essence] is a Creation Bil ‘Ajma:’’ .

4] Does the Engineer Of Jhelum believe that there are things [atleast one thing] which are [is] Neither Creation Of Deity [Makh:lu:qul Ba:ri:] Nor Uncreated [Gh:airu Makh:lu:q] ?

It must be noted that any thing that is not Created is Certainly Uncreated. If Engineer ‘’Ali: Mirza: denies this , his Heresy is unveiled immediately and with immediate effect.

Also Are Voluntary/Intentional Acts of Human Beings and Jinn Beings Creations of ‘ALL-H? If Not then the Question is Whether they are Associated With Divine Essence?

If yes, then it is Shirk to believe that each and every act of Human Beings and Jinn Beings are Associated With Divine Essence, 5] Does Engineer of Jhelum believe that Divine Essence Is Associated With Deity or it is the Deity Himself?

6] Does Engineer ‘’Ali: Mirza: believe that any thing that is Uncreated [Gh:airu Makh:lu:q] is Eternal?

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If the Engineer answers in affirmation then it is implied that It Is Either Associated With Divine Essence or It Is the Very Divine Essence Itself.Since Only Divine Essence and Divine Attributes are Eternal and Only Divine Attributes are AssociatedWith Divine Essence [according to Majority of ‘Ahlussunnah].If the Engineer denies this then he becomes a member of a Minority of ‘Ahlussunnah in case of Notion of Divine Acts they are Neither Eternal Nor Separate . But Engineer does not believe that Any thing that is Associated With Divine Essence can be Non Eternal.

9] Who is the Creator of Human and Jin Acts [Stated Above].

Either there is no Creator of Human and Jinn Acts or Human and Jin are Creator Of their acts or ‘ALL-H is the Creator of their Acts.

There is no forth option, 10] Is Creation of Creation of God Not Creation of God? If it is not then the question is it is not the belief of all Muslims that one that is not Created is either Divine Essence or Associated With Divine Essence?

It is Shirk to believe that there is some thing that is:-A] Separate Form God. B] Not Created By God.This is True for all things whether they are Acts [‘Af’’a:l], Accidents [‘A’’ra:d:], Essences [Dh:va:t] ,Attributes [S:ifa:t], Substances [Java:hir], Matter [Ma’-ddah].

11] Does Engineer of Jhelum believe that Qur’a:n is Attribute Of God or Act Of God or Qur’a:n is God?

If Engineer believes that Qur’a:n is God then this is either the very same belief that is in John1:1 ‘’And the Word Was God’’ or something close to it. If he either believes that Qur’a:n is an ATTRIBUTE OF God or believes that Qur’a:n is an act of God then he must state the difference between Divine Act and Divine Attribute.

12] Does Engineer ‘’Ali: Mirza: believe that Uncreated Qur’a:n is the Speech of God and the Act of Speaking of Uncreated Qur’a:n by God is Created. Does Engineer Believes that Qur’a:n is Eternal Speech of God but the Act of Speaking of Qur’a:n is Non Eternal?

If so then what is the relation between Eternal Speech of Qur’a:n and Act of Non Eternal Act Of Speaking of Qur’an by Very God Himself?

13] Is Act of Speaking Qur’a:n by Very God Himself Non Eternal? If Non Eternal then then the question is whether this Very act stated above in this question Separate from Qur’a:n or Inseparable from Qur’a:n? If the Act of Speaking of verses of Qur’a:n is Eternal then why it is an Act and not an Attribute? Does it mean that there is atleast one Act of Divine Attribute of which the Divine Attribute is just a Term? [Note if some speech is spoken then one that is spoken by the Act of Speaking is called the term of the Act?] 14]a) If Act of Speaking of Qura:n by God Himself is Non Eternal, but the Spoken Qur’a:n is Eternal Then does it not mean that Spoken Qur’a:n Pre Exitences the Act Of Speaking of it itself?

In this case Attribute Of Speech Of Qur’a:n is Eternally Associated With Divine Essence with out the act of Speaking b]Are their Sentences and Words Spoken by God which are other than Qur’a:n Divine Speech(es)?

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Page 6 of 9 c]When God Said/Spoke Kun/Cun , the Word Kun/Cun is Eternal or Not. If it is Eternal then this means that the Things which come in Existence infinitely after the Spoken Word spoken By God. If it is immediately before the Creation then it is also not Eternal? d] When the Word Kun was Spoken by God, was it the part of Qur’an or became the part of Qur’an when God Reported the Word Kun in Qur’a;n? e] Shall God Not Speak after Qur’a:n in Doomsday or after Doomsday or God Shall Speak in the Doomsday or after the Doomsday which shall be other than Qur’a:n? f] Is the Act of ‘Istiva:’ Eternal or this act came into existence after the Creation of ‘’Arsh when God Willed/Intended to bring this Divine Act from Nothingness and NonExistence. g] Is the Act of ‘Istiva:’ Intentional Divine Act or Unintentional Divine Act? h] Is Ma’’iah [Withness ] Of God an Eternal Attribute or an Eternal Divine Act or a Non Eternal Divine Act? Also if there was no Creation of God in Eternity does it mean God was With No one. If with no one then does in mean Divine Withness is Non Eternal? i] ‘Istiva:’ is On ‘’Arsh. Can God Practice this act on Farsh or God Cannot practice/Exercise this act on Farsh? j] Does Divine Act of ‘istiva:’ Implies Divine Attribute of ‘Istiva:’? k] Do the Divine ‘Istiva:’ and Divine Wthness have Terms or they are Termless or one of them has a term? If one of them has a Term then which one? l] Is Divine Withness Imseparable from God? m] Is a Divine Act in God, and if it is in God then Is it God or Beside God? If it is neither in God nor God then Is it beside God ? n]Is any thing that is beside God is Separate From God? o] Is any thing in God God? p] Are there only four Divine Notions, a] Divine Essence, b] Divine Nouns c] Divine Attributes d] Divine Acts; or there are some more Divine Notions, if so then please state them explicitly? q] If God Willeth /Intendeth a thing to be Created then is the this Divine Act of Will/Intention emanateth from the Attribute of Divine Will/Intention? r] Is the Divine Act of Will/Intention and Divine Attribute Of Will related or not , and if so then is this relation Creation or Uncreated? s] Is Tajalli the Divine Act or Divine Attribute or none of the two. Is The Divine Tajalli: Makhlu:q or Gh:ai Makh:lu:q? t] Is an Intentional /Voluntary Divine Act Associated with God and inseparable from him?

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Page 7 of 9 u] Are there some Divine Acts which are Unintentional and Involuntary [Ie they occur without Divine Will/Intention]? If there are then ,are they Eternal or Non Eternal? v] Is it a Bid’’ah to believe an Involuntary Divine Act as Voluntary Divine Act? w] Is it a Bid’’ah to believe an Intentional/ Voluntary Divine Act as Unintentional/ Involuntary Divine Act in regard to Divine Will/Intention? x] Are Some Divine Attributes known to us Involuntary/Unintentional in regard to Divine Will/Intention? y] Is the Divine Act of Will which Emanateth from Divine Attribute of Will/Intention Intentional/Voluntary or it is Involuntary? z] Is there a S:AH:I:H: AND S:ARI:H: H:ADI:TH: That explicitly stateth that ‘’ It is Kufr to believe that an Intentional Non Eternal Divine Act is Associated With God? aa] Can God/Deity Speak a True Sentence in Assertive and Negative Moods?

This question may surprise a number of people, that they are accustomed to hear questions like follow:= 1] Can God/Deity make a Close Isolated Chamber in which He God/Deity Himself can not See? Ii] Can God /Deity make a Materiel Body so HEAVY that God/Deity Himself Can not lift it or move it? Iii ] Can God/Deity make a STRAIGHT ROD so strong that God/Deity Himself is Cannot bend It? Iv] Can God/Deity Incarnate? V] Can God/Deity Send Pharaoh or ‘Abu Jahl or both to Heavenly Paradise? Vi] Can God/Deity Break His Promises ? Vii] Can God Speak a False Sentence in Assertive and Negative Moods? Viii] Can Go/Deity Punish a person for doing a good act [say speaking truth] and Award a Person for doing a Bad or an Evil Act? But this question might be of interest to some scholars who have not thought that according to the system of the Engineer Of Jhelum God/Deity Cannot Say that God/Deity Can Speak a True Sentence , on his own Standard..

Since If the Engineer Says that God/Deity Cannot then this is what we speculate , that this is his belief according to his own standard, In this case Engineer neither believes that God/Deity Can Speak True Sentences nor believes that God/Deity Can Speak False Sentences.

But if He says God/Deity Can Speak True Sentences then this implies that If God/Deity Speaketh a True Sentence in any one of the Mood stated above the Sentence must not be Eternal, Since it is Absolutely Impossible to be able to do an Eternal Act, it is not just Relatively Impossible. So Engineer must have to agree that If God/Deity Can [Hath the Power] to Speak a True Sentence , then in the case if He Speaketh it [that is in His Eternal Power] cannot be Eternal. If not Eternal then it is NotEternal /Non-Eternal. If Non Eternal then Either God/Deity is Locus [M-H:-L] of It or Not. If it is so then God/Deity becometh Locus of Non Eternal. This is KUFR according to the Engineer Himself.

So the only option left to him is to say that God/Deity is not the Locus of It. If a thing is Not Eternal then the thing is a Creation . But Engineer cannot accept that a Sentence Spoken by God/Deity is a Creation. Since a Sentence Spoken By God/Deity is a Speech of Deity. And a Speech of Deity Cannot be a Creation.

So this Engineer of Jhelum cannot escape the horns of Dilemma, neither by holding them nor by going between them.

A perfect CHECHMATE for a person who permits oral mating with espouses.

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Page 8 of 9 ab] If God/Deity Does/Exercises an Act, then does the act implies that God/Deity is Attributed with an Attribute of same word?

This may need some explanation. For Example If God Did/Exercised the Act of ‘Istiva:’ [Ascension,Sitting,Standing or any other Literal Meaning of the word ‘Istiva:’ Chosen by the Engineer ] then does it implies that there is an Attribute ‘ISTIVA:’ Associated With God/Deity? If his answer is in negation then this means that Acts/Works Of God are without Attributes?

Does he believe in it. If his answer is in affirmation then what is the proof from Qur’a:n and ‘Ah:adi:th: . Also this means for each and every act that God/Deity Can Do [Deity/God Hath Power to do ] there exists a corresponding Eternal ATTRIBUTE? Is this where the theological system of the Engineer of Jhelum leads to?

This implies many logical and theological Problems. ac] Can God/Deity do an Act Corresponding to which there is no Divine Uncreated Attribute?

Also Does God/Deity Hath Power over His UNCREATED ATTRIBUTES according to the Engineer Of Jhelum. If so then Does God/Deity Hath Power to Annihilate His Own Eternal Knowledge.

It appears that Zubair “Ali: Zai followed Niz:am if Mu”taz-lah Sect implicitly and his former but rejected disciple the Engineer Of Jhelum some what Explicitly .

ONCE AGAIN IT IS INFORMED THAT PLEASE KEEP IN MIND: Why we are asking this questions and conundrums , may be answered as follow: Engineer ‘’Ali: Mirza: declares great scholars of Minority of ‘Ahlussunnah as COMMITTER OF KUFR on the bases of some Theological Errors. These questions and conundrums may reveal the fact that Engineer ‘’Ali: Mirza: is a Mu’’t-z-li: minded person and his ‘I’’t-za:l can be unveiled if he attempts to answer these questions and conundrums. His own beliefs are full of contradictions, inconsistencies And Absurdities. In this situation Engineer o Jhelum Must accept that his there is some Kufr in his beliefs ACCORDING TO HIS OWN STANDARD. DISCLAIMER THE AUTHOR IS NOT RESPONSIBLE OF ANY DISTORTION OF MEANING DUE TO TYPING ERRORS AND SPELLING ERRORS COMMITTED BY THE TYPIST. A possible allegation:Some people who are not the students of Theology and Dialectics may declare that such questions are Disgrace and Disrespect in Divine Glory. To them it is responded that this is not the case, but if Page 8 of 9

Page 9 of 9 so then why Engineer of Jhelum is declaring Great Scholars as COMMITER OF KUFR when he himself does not know that his declaration requires a deep research.

TO THE FOLLOWERS OF THE ENGINEER OF JHELUM ENGINEER OF JHELUM HIMSELF USE THEOLOGY TO DECLARE SOME GREAT SCHOLARS AS COMMITER OF KUFR SO THEN ONE MUST INVESTIGATE HIS THEOLOGICAL GROUNDS. THINGS ARE VERY DEEP AND HE CONSIDERS THEM JUST STICKING ON SURFACE.

DISCLAIMER AUTHOR IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY MEANING OR DISTORTION IN MEANING OR APPARENT GRAMMATICAL ERROR WHAT SO EVER ,DUE TO THE TYPING ERRORS. A REQUEST TO THE FOLLOWERS AND LISTNER OF ENGINEER “ALI: MIRZA: IT IS PROVED BEYOND ANY SHADOW OF DOUBT THAT THE ENGINEER OF JHELUM IS ON THE MNH-J [ TRACK] OF HERESY. SO FOR SAKE OF ‘ALL-H ALMIGHTY ,DRIFT FROM HIS .

YOU HAVE BEEN INFORMED. ON THE DAY OF QIYA:MAH NO ONE CAN ACCUSE US FOR NOT INFORMING THEM “ ‘INSHA:’ALL-H ” .

MAY ‘ALL-H SAVE US FROM THE HERESY OF THE ENGINEER OF JHELUM. Page 9 of 9