Space Is an Indestructible Eternal Element

contrary, you will forget other things. I have told him not to discuss other topics beyond a certain limit. He still does not fully understand certain [more important] points regarding this, yet he is asking about all of this to this extent. So, one keeps fostering false notions. What is after that? What is after that? What is after that? The fundamental thing is that the inherent nature of the Self is such that It does not occupy space. ‘It’ does not need space. And in our case, it [the worldly-interacting self] occupies space for only as long as it has this body.

The Knowledge regarding lok (region of space in the universe where there is worldly existence) is to be Known just once. Whereas the only thing that should be maintained in Your attentive awareness is that You want to clear [the ‘files’] with equanimity.

Questioner: So then, what exists over there in Siddha Kshetra?

Dadashri: There is nothing at all over there. All the absolutely liberated Souls reside there; They do not have bodies, They are bodiless. And They are two-thirds the size of the body in which They became liberated. ‘They’ have steadiness (sthirata). Despite being formless (niraakaar), They have a form (aakaar). ‘They’ do not have to do anything there, They remain in eternal bliss (parmanand), constant eternal bliss! ‘They’ remain only in the inherent nature as the Self. Whereas this is a visheshbhaav (an assumed identification with that which is not One’s own) that has arisen, a bhrantibhaav (wrong belief that ‘I am Chandubhai’) has arisen. When the wrong belief comes to an end, One becomes That, One is indeed the absolute Self (Parmatma).

Questioner: So, the Self does not need any space at all over there?

Dadashri: None at all, there is no dependency at all [over there]! There are no [eternal elements of] Time, Space, motion, inertia, or inanimate matter; there is the Self alone.

Questioner: The Self would naturally occupy Its own space, does It not have Its own personal space?

Dadashri: The Self does not occupy any space. But as long as it has taken on a body, it occupies space. The Self is anavgaahak. The Self does not require space for Itself. What is considered as occupying space? Where there is difficulty in coming and going, there, it is considered as occupying space. Therefore, the Self does not have any need for space. If It were to occupy space, then It would be an occupant, [It would have to] pay rent, it [Space] would make a claim, wouldn’t it! Just as claims are made here [by the owner of the space occupied]. And it is because this pudgal (the nonSelf complex that undergoes influx and outflux; the body) is there, that is indeed why the space is being occupied!

Questioner: I see; space is being occupied because it has a pudgal.

Dadashri: Yes…, moreover, It is niralamb (absolutely free of dependency on anything relative). ‘It’ has no dependency of any kind whatsoever. That is why It becomes eternally blissful.

Questioner: You had once said, “All of that other is a worldly discussion, whereas what ‘we’ are saying has the stamp of the Self (alaukik; that which is beyond the worldly) on it; it has a stamp of approval on it.”

Dadashri: It is because it has the stamp of the Self on it that one understands it. The stamp of the Self is not found elsewhere.

The Realm of the Self?

Questioner: Of these four, the dravya (worldly-