The Unique Effects of Space!

Questioner: But is it not based on karma?

Dadashri: No, it is on the basis of the space being different. Thereafter, it is on the basis of karma. Fundamentally, everyone’s space is different.

Questioner: Dada, it is easy to understand that space is different in this. But in fact, how would it be regarding the inner space? In this case, this man is sitting here, that man is sitting there. Does the eternal element of Space not help in this [spiritual] development?

Dadashri: Why would it not help?

Questioner: How would that be? Meaning, how does space play a role in whether one becomes a doctor or an engineer?

Dadashri: One moves forward only if there is space, otherwise things would not move forward at all.

Questioner: I didn’t quite understand that.

Dadashri: If there is no space, then nothing moves forward at all, does it! One does not become a doctor just like that. When the timing, the space, and all the other causes come together that is when he has thoughts of becoming a doctor. One does not bind karma of one’s own accord.

Questioner: You had once said that when one reaches a certain ‘mile’ on the path of natural and spiritual evolution (samsaran marg), then certain veils of ignorance over the Self (avaran) break, so then his faith gets established in, ‘There is happiness only in the occupation as a bricklayer.’ So, then he becomes a bricklayer.

Dadashri: But it is only if space is the main factor, only then can all of that happen. Space is the main factor in everything.

All of This Is Based on Evidences

Questioner: So what comes first, the swabhaav (inherent nature of the prakruti) or the space?

Dadashri: It is on account of the swabhaav that space is attained once again, and similarly, it is on account of space that the swabhaav is attained, they are all linked.

Questioner: Are they linked with each other?

Dadashri: So for each one of them, all of this actually happens based on evidences (nimit-naimittik). The main factor is space.

Questioner: This is the first time we have heard about space from You, Dada.

Dadashri: Such discussions have taken place before.

Questioner: No, we have heard it only in Your satsang. We have not heard it elsewhere.

Dadashri: Would such discussions ever happen in other places? This discussion would definitely not exist out there, would it! Of all the discussions that we are having here, not a single point can be found elsewhere. This is because this is an unprecedented discussion. It is a discussion that has never been heard, known, experienced, or thought of before. And in fact, the discussion about space would never take place anywhere else, would it!

Questioner: Dada, one becomes a doctor, and then the very same living being becomes a lawyer, so what factor is at work in one going from being a doctor to becoming a lawyer?

Dadashri: It is simply that he has come into such a space; the drawing is verily like that.

Questioner: But Dada, the fundamental factor is our karma, isn’t it?

The Unique Effects of Space!

Dadashri: Karma is not the fundamental factor; karma is a dependent factor. Karma is based on space, and the space is based on karma. So the fundamental factor here is the space. Karma is actually an overt thing; it comes much later on. But what the Lord has said is that the world is functioning on the basis of the dravya, kshetra, time, and intent.

Questioner: So is the kshetra alone the main thing?

Dadashri: The kshetra [the location the worldlyinteracting self is on the path of spiritual evolution] is the main thing. In terms of time, everyone is listening at this time, but the kshetra alone is different for everyone. The intent is based on that kshetra. And the karma is based on the intent, and everything proceeds based on the karma. This world then started functioning. All this is the result (parinaam) of the karma.

Questioner: Meaning, that which is visible to the eyes.

Dadashri: [Not only] That which is visible, even that which is not visible, all of that too.

Questioner: So then where does dravya (the worldlyinteracting self) come into this? The intent arose based on the kshetra, so the karma got bound based on the kshetra, and the world started functioning based on the karma, so where did the dravya go?

Dadashri: Who came into that space? It is the worldlyinteracting self that did. Are you turning the wedding party into one without a groom? What kind of a person are you? You are asking, “If the wedding party has left, then where is the groom?” Hey, the wedding party would never proceed without the groom. Yet you are asking about the worldlyinteracting self. That which comes into the kshetra is the worldly-interacting self. So that worldly-interacting self has come to be based on the kshetra. This [the intent] arose through the worldly-interacting self, and that is why all of this has carried on. The intent arose within it [worldlyinteracting self], on the basis of time. The worldly-interacting self, the kshetra, the time...Once the [right] time comes to unfold, the intent arises.

Questioner: So first, the worldly-interacting self came into the kshetra?

Dadashri: The worldly-interacting self first came into the kshetra, and based on that, then…

Questioner: The intent arose.

Dadashri: No; when the time comes to unfold, then the intent arises, and subsequently karma gets charged. It is only when a certain time comes to unfold that a particular intent arises; otherwise, the intent would not arise at all.

This is all a very subtle discussion; what need do You have for all of this? All You need is the Self.

Questioner: Dada, the dravya that You mentioned in this, is that dravya the one with vishesh parinaam (completely new result that arises when two eternal elements come together)?

Dadashri: Vishesh parinaam of what?

Questioner: Then which dravya would it be considered?

Dadashri: ‘This’ very one. ‘This’ one that is here.

Questioner: But who does ‘this’ refer to? I did not understand that. Meaning, is it Chetan or pudgal, which one is it?

Dadashri: The illusory form, the bhranti chetan (the