The Unique Effects of Space!

worldly-interacting self; the developing I with the wrong belief of ‘I am Chandubhai’).

Questioner: Has the worldly-interacting self been referred to as the dravya?

Dadashri: Yes. The Self (Chetan) that is free of illusion would not occupy space; It would not come here. Karma arises at the end moment. It is not involved in anything else. Fundamentally, if one comes across the space, then everything moves ahead. That is why the Lord had asked, “Has the kshetra changed?” If the answer is yes, then things will move ahead.

Questioner: So then on what basis does one acquire the space, Dada?

Dadashri: It is actually based on the law [of the path of spiritual evolution]. As the entire group moves forward, the place of each person continues to change. It is not the case that one remains in that space forever.

Questioner: So then, in this case where the karma keep arising based on the dravya, the kshetra, the time, and the intent, is that entirely a kind of natural process?

Dadashri: Then what else?

Questioner: Is there no sense of doership in that?

Dadashri: The sense of doership would actually arise when one develops intellect (buddhi).

Even though everyone is listening at the very same period of time, yet their space is different. Wherever you look, their space is different.

Questioner: And that is indeed why everyone understands differently.

Dadashri: And the intent would definitely be different.

As the space is different, the intent would definitely be different. They may all be studying in the same school, yet their intent would definitely be different.

Questioner: So the shape of this body is a photo of the ego, isn’t it?

Dadashri: Then, of what else? If the ego is naive, then the body will be heavyset. If the ego is shrewd, then the body will be lean. If it is a crazy ego, then one will be crazy. If the ego is intensely greedy, then the person will become intensely greedy. Whatever the ego is like, the person will be like that.

Questioner: Has my ego become the way it is because of the space I have gotten, or have I gotten this space because my ego is going to become like this?

Dadashri: It is because of the space that there is this ego, and it is because of the ego that there is this space. They are both reciprocal.

The world is scientific. Is this world a falsehood? It functions without anyone doing anything, doesn’t it, just look! You too delved deep into it. It is actually these people who delve into it.

Questioner: Dada, we believe in just one thing, that we want to go to moksha.

Dadashri: Yes, that is all.

No two living beings can occupy the same space. And that too, as the space is different, their karma are different.

Questioner: It is actually the physical that has circumstances, but what circumstances does the Self have?

Dadashri: The Self has actually come across many circumstances.

The Unique Effects of Space!

Questioner: Someone has become a dog and why did I become Chandubhai?

Dadashri: It is because the circumstances were different.

It is because of the space that the intents differ. And when the space and the intent got multiplied, different things arose and the world came into being.

Questioner: Can the physical circumstances bind the self?

Dadashri: They indeed have, haven’t they! That is why the [worldly-interacting] self [vyavahaar atma] is shouting, ‘Set me free, set me free.’ The Gnani Purush can set it free.

Karma and Gnan, in the Very Same Space!

Questioner: Can knowledge (gnan) and karma coexist, or what needs to be done first?

Dadashri: What is the problem with coexisting?

Questioner: This question arose, that can both happen at the same time?

Dadashri: The fact is, karma needs space, whereas [both, Real and relative] knowledge does not need space. Therefore, they can coexist in the same place. One needs space and the other does not, that is why they can coexist.

Questioner: Please explain this further, I didn’t quite understand!

Dadashri: Any type of karma requires space, and knowledge does not require space, so they can coexist. Whereas other things occupy space, so they cannot coexist.

Questioner: Besides karma, what other things occupy space, in the worldly sense?

Dadashri: All these devotional acts (bhakti) occupy space, knowledge alone is without space; it does not need space.

Questioner: A completely scientific answer. It is exactly scientific, Dada. Knowledge definitely does not occupy space.

Dadashri: You understood it, didn’t you?

Questioner: I got the gist.

Dadashri: That is why they can coexist. The fact is, karma is an effect of knowledge. If they are not together, then it cannot be karma at all. They can both coexist; why is it that they can coexist? Knowledge does not occupy space, whereas karma does, so they can both occupy the same space at the same time. Whereas karma and bhakti (devotional acts done on the basis of the knowledge one has about the God he worships) cannot coexist. Both need space, whereas knowledge does not need space. And in this world, [Real] bhakti (devotional acts to approach nearer and nearer to the Self) cannot be carried out without Knowledge; there are all kinds of bhakti. How much bhakti must be out there that is being done with Knowledge?

The Effect of a Place on Thoughts...

Questioner: Can a place and the time really affect thoughts?

Dadashri: It is indeed due to their effect that these thoughts are affected. The actual place and the time do not change, do they!

Questioner: Basically, what I was trying to say was that just recently when I had gone to Surat, my inner Vision (Darshan) had become a bit dimmer. When I come to Vadodara, the Vision becomes clearer. Whereas when I go to Surat or Mumbai, it has an effect on my inner Vision.