The Real Form of Parmanu

So what people refer to as the pudgal, it is only the vibhaavik pudgal that is being referred to as the pudgal.

‘Pudgal’ [in its original form, the eternal element called Parmanu] is permanent, and You [in the original form, the Self] are also permanent; when You understand this, salvation happens.

Questioner: Is the Pudgal also permanent?

Dadashri: Yes, the original Pudgal Parmanu is permanent by its inherent nature. If You understand this vibhaavik pudgal as being vibhaavik (unnatural; deviated from its inherent nature), then You will also be able to understand the swabhaavik Pudgal (Parmanu in its pure natural form); it is permanent.

Questioner: So One’s Vision (Darshan) should unveil to the point of understanding that the Pudgal [Parmanu] is permanent and the Self is also permanent?

Dadashri: Yes, and this pudgal [physical body] is actually the unnatural (vikrut) pudgal, it is not the original Pudgal Parmanu that is in its inherent nature! The unnatural pudgal is destructible, it increases and decreases by its inherent nature (guru-laghu swabhaav), whereas the true Pudgal Parmanu is such that it never increases or decreases by its inherent nature (aguru-laghu swabhaav).

Questioner: What is the difference between the swabhaavik Pudgal and the vibhaavik pudgal?

Dadashri: The swabhaavik Pudgal is not visible, so it is meaningless to talk about it right now. People do not even know about it. The Self-realized Gnanis Know exactly what the swabhaavik Pudgal is, however the general public does not know anything about it at all.

Questioner: Now, this part that is the prakruti (non-

Self complex) is not really in the form as the Pudgal, is it? Meaning that the prakruti is not in the form as Parmanu, is it?

Dadashri: The prakruti is in the form as pudgal. The Parmanu are pure, whereas the prakruti is ‘colored’ parmanu; parmanu that have been ‘colored’ with bhaav (intent; belief). Whatever bhaav they have been ‘colored’ with, that is the type of parmanu they are. As the ‘color’ was picked up after the [vibhaavik] pudgal had formed, that is why it [the prakruti] is referred to as pudgal. Then, once they discharge, upon giving effect in accordance with whichever bhaav they had been ‘colored’ with, they become pure once again.

Questioner: The pudgal has no existence without the Self (Chetana), does it?

Dadashri: That is true. However, in the fundamental state, the Pudgal exists in the form as Parmanu. It does not exist in any other form. His point is correct; how can the pudgal exist without the presence of the Self? Well it does; in the form as Parmanu, It is eternally independent. It exists devoid of the Self.

The Independent Energy of the Pudgal

Questioner: In reference to the point that You have made, that this is all pudgal, how compatible is the energy of the pudgal with the energy of the Self?

Dadashri: The power of the pudgal is comparable to that of the power filled in the batteries of a torch; so as long as those cells are in the torch, the torch will be operational. Once the power [in the battery] exhausts, the torch will not work. Similarly, the power that is instilled in the pudgal in the presence of the Self is in the form of these three batteries of the mind, speech, and body. So as long as these three