So Young Issue Fifty-One

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Issue Fifty-One

Also inside: Pem Orlando Weeks Gut Health DEADLETTER Sex Week julie Most Things LICE Tooth MJ Lenderman


richie-culver.com Lulu Lin @ da__h_


So Young Issue Fifty-One finds us in the centre of festival season, a time where we can often enjoy many of our favourites, old and new, in one field, in one weekend. With less gigs and people jetting around, the summer can often present a lull in brand new artists emerging, but that’s not the case for 2024 and this issue is evidence of that. Here’s what’s inside. On the cover, Wunderhorse are preparing themselves for the release of their second album, ‘Midas’. Since we last spoke, the dynamic has shifted from Jacob Slater’s solo project to a cohesive and collaborative band. The impact of that is, well, ‘Midas’. An unapologetic, raw, rock record which relishes it’s edges and has no intention of conforming to trends. Sat avoiding the rain with the whole band in London, we discuss learning from the likes of Pixies and Fontaines D.C. on tour, recording in the same room as Nirvana and cutting the bullshit. September will see the release of the debut album from Londonvia-Yorkshire’s DEADLETTER. ‘Hysterical Strength’ marks the bands latest peak in a four year career as guitar music underdogs. No ‘buzzy’ moment in sight, just ‘one step in front of the other’ growth. You only have to take a look at the bands ongoing, gruelling tour schedule to understand that DEADLETTER are a live band, and this record captures that energy - pairing their honest observations of the world with danceable post-punk. We chat inside. Shoegaze, used rightly, wrongly, readily, has felt some serious growth as a genre over the last few years and LA’s julie are one of the most exciting and innovative new artists to be born from the sound. Now signed to Atlantic and preparing their debut album for release, we gave them a call whilst in Ohio for their tour with Faye Webster to talk through their move from Orange County to LA, the influence of their new community and the impact of other art mediums on their music. Bristol favourites and longtime friends, LICE have a new album on the way via new label partner, AD 93. In an interview that leads our writer to question his everyday existence, we discuss ‘Third Time At The Beach’ with frontman Alastair Shuttleworth. Now in Lisbon, the full time home for his art studio, Orlando Weeks’ creativity is not limited to his music but he does have a new album out.

Titled ‘LOJA’, after the local name given to his studio space, Orlando delivers a positive record which explores all that he left behind in London. We gave him a call to dig into the breaking of old habits and how music and visual arts elevate each other when paired. It seems there’s barely a moment where Jake Lenderman isn’t on the road. Be it touring worldwide with Wednesday on guitar, or taking the music of his project MJ Lenderman to an ever growing audience. It’s the latter music that we discuss on the phone as new album ‘Manning Fireworks’ is on its way. As always, it’s with great excitement that we present some brand new artists to our pages. We start with London duo, Most Things. With just one video up on YouTube (‘Shops’), it’s very early days but with a full live schedule coming up and, we’re told, plenty of music ready to go, we were enthused to find out what we could at this point. Another new band from the capital with only a YouTube presence to their name are Tooth. Impressed by their youthful energy and 00’s indie spirit when performing at one of our We Are So Young nights, we followed up with a call to see what’s going on behind the scenes. Staying in London but via Bristol, we find Pem. Her new EP ‘cloud work’ was recently released via Ali Chant’s Fascination Street label and is a beautiful listen. Eager to know more about where these songs came from and what’s coming next, we gave Emily a call. Finishing off overseas, Sex Week are an exciting new duo from NYC. Sitting somewhere between the dark and light of bar italia and Chanel Beads, there’s an atmosphere in the pair’s music that feels haunting yet comforting. We gave them a ring to find out the story to date. And finally, Melbourne’s Gut Health have a debut album (‘Stiletto’) on its way. Catching them at the back end of a EU tour, we cased them on the themes of the record and their translation of their live shows to the studio sound. We chat to Lulu Lin, the artist behind the striking new Fontaines D.C. album campaign and announce our collaborative t-shirt. Cork based photographer, Emilyn Cardona has given us a window into the world of Irish band Cardinals over the last year or so. We spoke to Emilyn about her aspirations and career so far. The GradList returns as we partner with Arts University Bournemouth once again to showcase some of their most talented new graduates.

3 Pem Gulls

41 LICE Third Time At The Beach

9 Most Things Just bass and drums

45 Emilyn Cardona Seize the Moment

15 Orlando Weeks Store

47 DEADLETTER I’m a Realist

22 Sex Week Toad and Boo

51 julie my anti-aircraft friend

25 Lulu Lin Spontaneous Expression

55 Gut Health Stiletto

29 Wunderhorse Raw Expression

62 Tooth Age of Innocence

37 GradList 2024 AUB Illustration

65 MJ Lenderman Wind, birds and ghosts



Pem (aka Emily Perry) has had a profoundly busy, and

My dad loved birdwatching, hence the references to Gulls

successful year so far. Following an acclaimed run of live

and other birds throughout the EP. I learned the names of

shows, the organic-sounding multi-instrumentalist recently

lots of birds through him. For example, the track ‘martin

released her EP ‘Cloud Work’, following the loss of her

pêcheur’ is named after the French word for Kingfisher,

father last year.

which was my dad’s personal favourite. He was a very nomadic man, always jumping between places, which

Produced by Ali Chant, who has worked with the likes

I think is best compared to the life of a bird - always

of Yard Act and Katy J Pearson, ‘Cloud Work’ has been

migrating, yet eventually returning.

praised far and wide for its heart-rending depth and acute sensitivity. Filled with introspective lyrics poignant

‘Gulls’ is my favourite track from the EP and was the first

enough to make any daffodil-loving poet blush with

non-romantic song I wrote. Before that my songs were

jealousy, the EP reveals a vulnerable side to the artist

mainly about relationships. ‘Gulls’ is like an ongoing

behind the pen, whose distinctive sound matures with each

conversation with my dad. On the day he passed, I went

release.

down to the beach, and I took recordings of the sea and its surrounding sounds, which you can actually hear faintly

‘Cloud Work’ has not only consoled Perry throughout

in the track.

its production but continues to do so as a means through which she can viscerally reflect on her father’s life with a

Can you tell me more about your writing process as an

cradling fondness and bittersweet smile.

artist? Do the lyrics come first or do the melodies?

Similar in sound to Adrienne Lenker’s solo work,

I tend to write reflectively when I’m in a place of

Perry’s voice is instantly recognisable with its trembling

boredom. My writing is without a doubt driven by my

mysticism delivered straight from the soul. Much like the

mood or a big life event. I like my songwriting to be a bit

clouds she named her EP after, Perry’s palpable vocals

of an outpouring. I hate anything pretentious and I can’t

float weightlessly in the air like incantations, enchanting

write about anything that I haven’t experienced. My lyrics

each and every listener.

are definitely diary-like and I try to be as unfiltered as possible with my music.

Currently based in London, I caught up with Emily on a downtrodden Wednesday evening to discuss all things

I’ll often pick up my guitar and piece a riff together,

gardening, knitwear and writing from the heart.

whereas melodies will come to me a few days later when I’m walking or cooking. Sometimes a song will just fall

Congratulations on the release of your EP ‘Cloud

out and be finished in an hour and a half, but that’s quite

Work’! Can you tell me about the meaning behind the

rare! I often write my lyrics away from the song and my

EP and your use of metaphor throughout the release?

friends always find it funny that I can’t write my lyrics down! I record them as voice notes, so if my phone were

‘Cloud Work’ is filled with a weird sentimentalism, which

to break I have over 3,000 recordings on there!

when I was writing seemed very apt. When I received the news about my dad’s passing, I was on a plane that

Are there any other external forces that drive your

had just landed. I kept thinking about the clouds that had

writing process or influence your music?

surrounded me just moments before, which later inspired the EP’s name.

The environment is a big inspiration to my work. I work as a gardener alongside making my music, which naturally brings me closer to nature.

Words by Neve Dawson, illustration by Gisela Navarro

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I love being by the mountains or by the sea, which is quite

Time for a really horrible question. Who would your

a nostalgic place for me. I did a residency in Columbia

three desert island artists be?

post-Covid and that was one of the best experiences of my life. My writing tends to be influenced by personal things,

Ugh, that’s a really hard question …. I would say Sybille

although I’m often influenced by individual words I have

Baier as my first choice. Maybe Billie Holiday after that?

heard in conversations with friends or from what I have

I take a lot of inspiration from her work as another artist

read. A word will just get in my head and I’ll run with it.

with an unusual voice. Then Sonic Youth!

What has inspired your music videos? Is there a story

Would you say that your style reflects your music, or

behind them?

vice-versa? Tell me more about your collaborations with Rabbit Baby and other designers.

When I was growing up, I used to live near a park and would always get on a swing when I felt weird or upset

I’m lucky to have such talented and creative friends like

about something. I found the act so comforting and I

Sophie, the founder of Rabbit Baby. I’ve performed at

wanted to use a swing in the ‘awe’ video to represent the

some of her exhibition shows and she always lets me

idea of constantly moving but never getting anywhere.

borrow clothes for my own performances. I was fortunate

‘Grips’ to me is all about escapism and compulsion,

enough to film the ‘gut health’ video wearing Studio

whereas ‘gut health’ is about being submerged in a

Manche knits. With the EP, I’ve also had the opportunity

difficult memory of another’s harm and what that then

to work with Hairy Mary (Rosie Barton), who made

does to the body. I chose to represent this through the art

part of my costume for ‘grips’ and has gone on to work

of dance and the motif of water. I couldn’t have made

with the likes of The Last Dinner Party at Glastonbury.

these videos without the wonderful artistic community

Aesthetics are very important to me as an artist; I love

I’m part of! The dancers, filmmakers, artists and

being creative with what I wear and experimenting with

choreographers were all so generous, helping me to bring

different fabrics and textures.

these ideas to light. I love how they have turned out! Are you currently undertaking any side projects while How did you first get into music? Were you surrounded

you write new music?

by music as a young child? I’m actually writing a book, which I’ve been working I taught myself guitar through learning Elliott Smith

on for the past three years. It’s fictional with its own

songs. I spent a lot of time alone as a kid and music was

characters, however, it is loosely based on my relationship

an escape from school, which was quite a rough time for

with my dad, who himself wrote a few memoirs. I’d say

me. My parents surrounded me with music from a young

the book is almost like a tongue-in-cheek conversation

age. My mum used to play lots of music around the house

between the two of us.

(especially Kate Bush), and my dad played the 12-string guitar.

Finally, what’s your plan for the rest of the summer? Have you got any performances lined up?

I had about three piano lessons when I was 10 but I was rude to the teacher and I hated practising! I ended up

I’m supporting Bess Atwell on her upcoming UK tour in

being self-taught in both instruments, although I didn’t

October and another band in November, but that hasn’t

have a piano at home, so I only played more as I got older.

been announced yet. I have some European shows lined

My musical career is still relatively recent, and it was only

up, including a gig at Left of the Dial Festival in the

when a friend from college asked if I wanted to produce

Netherlands! Apart from that I plan to take it really easy.

some music did I self-release anything.

After a busy couple of years, my main focus is taking some time out to write and really focus on creating new music.

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Pem




Thomas Spooner Photo by Quin Cunningham


I won’t bother to attempt to introduce a project that is,

Having listened, I can’t quite imagine it live.

as yet, fresh to the world. Why muddy the waters? Most Things is Tom Grey Phillips and Malachy O’Neill. They

It’s different live, a bit more bombastic. The singing on

have one song, ‘Shops!’, which you can listen to on

the record is something I developed over a couple years,

YouTube. Put it on and read on for Tom’s own illustration

painfully smashing my head against the computer, trying

of a project that will soon not only be familiar but much

to get some sort of voice out of me that was pleasant to

beloved.

listen to. Live it’s a lot more...it’s not screamo but shouty, and a bit silly. It’s quite informed by Alex Harvey.

You seem to have sprung out of nowhere. So it seems. We started releasing stuff through this project, Atomiser, got some interest from the industry, and took stuff down to figure out how to navigate that. So when did Most Things start? Three years ago when I was at uni and met the drummer, Mal. We started playing together but when I played guitar I sounded like everyone else, so I started playing bass and Mal’s drumming made it all make sense. If that was your first time playing bass, what’s your background in music? From the age of eighteen I used to rap with mates in parks to kill time and then started making sample bass music. I got an MPC 1000 and would make beats sampling records from charity shops. It was all awful. I got Asha Puthli. That was a sick record, I made some cool beats out of that. So I was doing that and getting into more experimental electronic music. I made an album with this guy Gal Go, the saxophonist in King Krule. And then came Most Things. We started playing and it all made sense. Mal is a very creative drummer, more of an artist than an instrumentalist I guess and a really brilliant guitarist as well. The way he approaches playing with people is very free. We improvise a lot. And this project was born out of that natural conversation. He liked the way I play bass and I loved the

He’s a Glaswegian guy that died quite young but was in the hair rock scene I guess. There’s a couple of videos of him performing that are very inspiring. It’s a bit

way he drums.

tragicomedy – confrontational, surrealist stuff. But the live

And the live setup?

recordings to be listenable, so I tried to dial it back and

show’s a bit more of an onslaught I suppose. I wanted the make it more of an intimate, nuanced sound.

Just bass and drums.

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Words by Natalia Quiros-Edmunds


And did that come naturally?

How would you describe the sound?

Not at all. We recorded the album live and I just didn’t

It’s pop music, I suppose, but I also see it as outsider

like the way it sounded. I figured we can get away with

music. I don’t know if I can give myself that label though,

this when we’re in front of you pulling faces, but when

you can’t really claim it for yourself. I’m very influenced

there’s just a person alone with the music it’s a different

by alternative approaches to music making and music that

experience. I was trying to find a way to bend what I do to

is a practice that doesn’t come from being practised. I

work in a setting where you’re alone.

don’t know how to play the bass, I never had lessons, so it was like what can I do with this? I’m not trying to make a song, I’m just trying to get a point or a feeling across. All you can do as an artist is be very personal and dig inwards as much as you can until you get to a point that is universal and understandable to everyone. You have to know yourself for others to know you I suppose, or something like that. Sounds lame but universality is a big thing. So it’s not about being weird. Although I feel weird, I feel like I’m not in the main group chat but I want what I do to be accessible to everyone. So that kind of shooting for a universal truth or feeling is a big part of what Most Things does. Who has influenced your approach? Mica Levi is an artist that I’ve always found incredibly inspiring. Building an instrument and making music with something that no one’s ever made music with before. Like what song can you squeeze out of a box with screws and wires? All the early Micachu & The Shapes albums, it’s just pop music but so strange. I think that totally hits a sort of universal note to human experience. There’s also the comedy of Chris Morris which I love so much. He wrote a load of TV shows in the late 90s, kind of political satire. I find the way he talks about what he does so inspiring. And I grew up really into Akala, this rapper. They did a book when I was really young and I loved it. And your lyrics?

I listen to a lot of music in transit, I’ve probably done the most listening to music whilst on a bus, in a window seat, so that personal experience is a massive part of my life. I wanted the music to function like that. And the pure live recording – the shouty, fractious, performative sound – just didn’t sit too well for a personal listening experience.

I think sometimes I try to be a bit literary with the lyrics but that often doesn’t work. It doesn’t make for good lyrics. I like the way words connect, I love giving a rhythm to words so they stick in your head, it’s sort of a game I really enjoy. I think what I write about, especially all the stuff on the first album, is trying to take a very personal feeling or experience and abstract it just enough.

Most Things

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Where does that come from?

To what end?

I really like pulpy crap. I used to do this job delivering

So although I talk all this talk about universal human

parcels on a bike and found a book at the top of a block

truths, I also just want people to like me, it’s very pathetic,

of flats in Battersea that someone was throwing out. Some

really. I think that’s the core driving engine. There’s a kind

music exec got a bunch of heads in the DJ scene to write

of intellectual layer where I justify it, and it does make

books. I got a bit obsessed with this series of 90s teenage

sense to me, it helps me make sense of my own life but

pulp fiction. They’re very silly but give a real emotional

the core impetus for doing this stuff I think comes from

tether to the time. They’re also just really easy to read,

wanting to make the world my friends, you know?

they’re written for fifteen year olds that smoke too much weed. I like bad books a lot.

And has it worked?

And your love of fitting words together like a puzzle?

It’s catharsis isn’t it. It’s very corny to say but we’re all together in our loneliness and that gets back to that

When I was young, I loved rap music. I never thought

universal thing. If you can tie a pretty bow around this

I’d ever make guitar music. I mean, I never thought I’d

dark feeling and present it to the world like a gift that they

make music, but I didn’t think guitar music really existed

can all enjoy, it can turn that loneliness into something

or that it was a thing that anyone listened to. There was

useful. To explain a sad situation in a pretty way, makes

this album by this guy, Big Cakes, and I got this CD from

that sad situation somehow a bit less sad. I’m trying

Chapel Market when I was twelve or something, an early

to manipulate that so I can turn my loneliness into a

UK hip hop rap CD. I listened to that so much. The way

bridge to connect with other people. But all of this talk

the words pieced together, that’s definitely from rap I

is something you project onto it after the fact. It’s never

imagine. Rap music and that scene of early UK rap is

done consciously. I think everything is always a bit more

probably a massive influence on how I write. And then

stupid and complicated than we think it is. It’s a human

writers like Bukowski and who’s that guy who wrote

habit to try and turn it into a thing that could be the plot

Naked Lunch and shot his wife in the head? American guy,

of a sitcom.

did all sorts of concoctions of drugs…Burroughs! William S Burroughs. And all the beat stuff.

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Most Things





Walking the streets of Lisbon feels like a fever dream to

In London I had a broom cupboard and turned it into a

Orlando Weeks - despite moving two years ago, he still

working place. I’d be there as long as I could without

has moments of awe-inspired disbelief when calling the

becoming distant. I could bury myself away and happily

city home. This relationship between realism and reverie

forget everything else. One of the great things about

underpins his third album ‘LOJA’, which translates to

coming to Lisbon is realising how unhelpful that was, and

store in Portugese and alludes to the location of his current

how that habit needed breaking. I’m prone to becoming

studio. The album celebrates this new, warmer, chapter

stuck in my ways and if those ways don’t work for

for Weeks, but by no means abandons the past, especially

everyone else, it becomes sticky.

when considering his background in visual art. In this way, ‘LOJA’ doesn’t just exist as music - it exists on paper, in

How did moving from broom cupboard to studio

print and on film as Weeks literally paints a map for the

change how you make music?

listener to follow. From a very basic perspective, being able to make as much Inspired by Portuguese Azulejos tile painting (where tiles

or little progress in a day and leaving it exactly how it is

emerged as storytelling devices), ‘LOJA’ represents an

now means I can maintain a rhythm with my work. For

amalgamation of conversations and snapshots pulled from

years I was in a shared environment, and even if you’re as

different phases of a life and career spanning songwriting,

conscientious as you can be, it’s still impeding on other

printmaking, curating art exhibitions, writing storybooks,

people’s space. Now I can romanticise the idea of going

scoring films, bringing up a family and becoming a solo

to my studio and making pointless, affirming work. This

artist after great success within a band. Despite making

change also gave me the title and visuals for my record.

music for the majority of his life, Weeks doesn’t sit

From the latter, just getting in there, painting on the walls,

comfortably in this landscape alone - he is most at home

hanging my work, made me feel inspiration differently.

when he can rearrange and re-contextualise music within other art forms. ‘LOJA’ clearly communicates his joy in finding this balance - it’s an album that exudes the triumph of someone rediscovering their stride, encouraging us to join in on the adventure. You’ve noted that ‘LOJA’ represents a ‘new found awareness of things you left behind,’ in London I assume? What did you leave behind?

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Words by Poppy Richler, illustration by Nurit Gross


You’ve always said that visual and musical arts are

I don’t know why specifically, but I just love their tonality

inextricable. With that in mind, it makes sense that the

and figuration. I originally wanted to call this album Tonk,

cover of LOJA is entirely your own work. It seems as if

making music that sounded like that word. I went to see

many individual snapshots make up a story here.

an exhibition of Helen Frankenthaler’s art, and asked myself how I could make an album that looked like these

There’s a long tradition of tile painting in Portugal, and I

paintings and sounded like that word. I loved how the

liked the idea of vaguely representing that tradition. I like

works had potential to be both enormous and tiny at once.

how this art form matches one’s comprehension of a place.

I was very grateful that I changed the name when Joe

Memory isn’t linear: I had a nice night there, the walk

Talbot showed me the album artwork for Idles’ new album

through that park was nice. With the nature of black and

‘Tangk’…

white colouration and the addition of hard graphic lines, you can sit these various memories next to each other and

Your favoured art methods are print and stamp making

they’ll communicate, even if it isn’t entirely cohesive.

- two analogue forms. Does your music follow this same analogue ethos?

Aside from tile painting, are there any other art movements that inspire you?

100%. It’s not just analogue, it’s uneducated. I know what the keys are on a piano, but I don’t know what the chord

The period of art that I come back to over and over again

is if you put two of them together. When I write, it’s about

is 20s-50s Britain. Artists like Stanley Spencer, Eric

memorising what shape my hand makes, and repeating

Ravilious, Edward Bowden, The Nash Brothers, Barbara

that until it sticks.

Hepworth, Henry Moore, Ben and Winifred Nicholson.

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Thinking about your whole life – are you someone who

That’s the hope. The reality is, switching between the two

has staple artists on repeat, or do you actively look for

helps me dodge brick walls in both. It’s a convenience that

new music?

has a fortunate knock-on effect.

I’m a narrow church - I definitely just come back to

I like how the two come together in the surrealistic

five or six things. Saying that, I do listen to new music

music video for ‘Dig’ featuring Wet Leg’s Rhian

recommendations. I’ve recently listened to Mabe Fratti a

Teasdale.

lot - maybe she’ll become one of the pillars of my small church. Currently though, I’m listening to Bill Callahan

The video goes back to those ideas of playing with scale

almost exclusively.

- thinking about things that could be so big they could be a universe, or so tiny that they could be cellular. Themes

Do you think it’s possible to separate music from

of scale are common in Paula Rego’s prints - I love the

visuals?

idea of big muscly babies and tiny tin soldiers all in the same place. I felt like I could play with this in my lyrics.

It must be, right? Though it is rare that you listen to music

I was also thinking about Gulliver’s Travels and great

in pitch blackness, only in company with the music. The

adventures. ‘Dig’ extended this because it’s about needing

best is both, right? They help and amplify each other.

to be persuaded to change your circumstances. My original idea was to build an ear as big as a person, sit inside it,

That’s very clear in your world - everything informs

whisper into it, and then the camera would pan out and it

each other.

would be Rhian’s ear. The scale ended up being too much so we settled with me sitting on her shoulder.


Further exploring this world, you recently had a residency at Copeland Gallery, where you showcased

‘Hop Up’ was a quicker process after that - I was working

your own prints and performed songs that spanned the

in a much more streamlined way, but it was during the

entirety of your career. How did it go?

pandemic, which gave the whole thing more of an external pressure. And with ‘LOJA’, it all felt so luxurious:

The exhibition wasn’t far from what I thought it would

I was with a new label, in a residential studio, with

be. That happens so rarely. I knew the space on a surface

incredible equipment, surrounded by amazing musicians

level, and though the size seemed out of my league, I

to collaborate with. I still want to make a better crack

thought I’d go big rather than not at all. I’d made so many

at a record that represents people in a room recorded

prints and pieces that would’ve otherwise never seen the

and captured in that moment - warts and all. The warts

light of day. The real hope was that people would come

are what makes it beautiful and glorious. Whether that’s

and see the work, and that this might colour the way they

stifling is against the point. Just by its nature, that record

hear the lyrics or music. It felt to me like that happened.

will be a better representation of me.

This isn’t a space where gigs often happen, and I don’t Thinking about the future, you noted that ‘LOJA’ is

think that novelty was lost on people.

about optimism and reflection. What are you optimistic Whilst this exhibition gave visitors an opportunity to

about?

experience your music in a different light, it’s interesting how your own perspective has changed over time. You

I think I’m optimistic by default.

described your second album ‘Hop Up’ as a much more freeing experience than your debut ‘A Quickening’.

We’ve looked forwards, now let’s look back. You’ve written music, designed album covers, made prints,

However, with the release of LOJA, you’ve noted how

scored films, and even written a storybook. If you had

stifling ‘Hop Up’s process was. Can you explain this

to give up one art form, which would it be?

shift? I don’t feel this is a very optimistic question…I want to For clarity’s sake, when I was making my first solo record,

make something like my storybook ‘Gritterman’ again,

I was also caring for a very small baby and had had very

where I write, draw and make music. Let me do that and

little sleep.

then I’ll get back to you…

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LOJA Tiles by Orlando Weeks


Peter Doyle in his studio Photo by Eimear Lynch



Staying up late into the night, in pursuit of curating the perfect playlist often eclipses the mundane necessity of sleep. It was, in fact, for one playlist (titled ‘Colorado 2 Omaha’) that led to creation of New York-based duo Sex Week. Liz Phair, The Magnetic Fields, Smog, and Wolf Alice, are some of the many artists that helped bring the deep bond and brilliance of Pearl Amanda Dickson and Richard Orofino together, to start something of their own. While still in their infancy, the Brooklyn band’s work seems to be filled with playing with woollen balls of lo-fi textures, with plenty of little scratches and nips amongst this analogue warmth. Their delicate meanderings stretch languidly by the fireplace as their harmonies curl and purr with sleepy eyes. During the build-up to their self-titled debut EP and the chaos of moving house, Sex Week were kind enough to share insights into their world and the journey that lies ahead.


Could you tell me about Colorado 2 Omaha?

P: Toad’s just so funny. They’re both giant black cats, and Toad will just climb on top of you, get so close to your

Pearl: I moved to Atlanta from LA, at the same time my

face, start purring, and then try to bite your chin.

roommate/friend, Allison, moved to NY. She would do long road trips from LA and back. She got these two

R: He’ll bite all over you.

kittens, Toad and Boo, and when she drove across the country, she’d take them with her. One day I got a call,

‘Toad Mode’ has been stuck in my head all year, and

and she was stressed out. “They’re stuck in this hotel bed.

I’m always wondering to myself the meaning behind it.

I don’t know how to get them out. I don’t know what to

This is all about him, right?

do!” We stayed on the phone until we figured it out, but it ended with me telling her I was going to make her a

R: A lot of people will have their theories about that

playlist for her trip from Colorado to Omaha.

song, and they’re so fun to hear. Toad’s in it! We got him meowing and sampled it.

Richard: Allison was someone I followed; she makes clothing under FemCelebrity. I always loved these sick

P: We played a show with Chartreuse, and they told us

hats and shirts she made. She posted on her story about

they had a whole hotel argument about what it means. On

looking for a room in Bushwick, so I replied, and we

the surface level, it’s about a cat, but it’s also about when

decided we’d be roommates. She would play that playlist

you’re so obsessed with someone and all you want to do

all the time, and every time I was like, “What is this? All

is just be involved with them. Almost that cute aggression

these songs are so sick.” That’s when she told me about

when something’s so cute and you just want to like…

Pearl and that she made it. I became obsessed with it and then finally found it.

R: Beat it up.

P: Yeah, he stalked it.

P: Haha, yeah, beat it up. It’s like that.

R: Pearl came to visit for Allison’s birthday, and we just

I read that you want to create music that can make

hit it off. We definitely bonded over playlists.

people laugh and smile but also make them scream and cry.

What was it that stood out the most from that playlist? P: I think, for the most part, we’re writing from true R: This one song by HIM. They’re a Finnish hard rock

emotional places. ‘Kid Muscle’, I was having such a

band, but they have this song called ‘When Love And

hard day in the studio because I knew in my head what I

Death Embrace’. I just thought it was the sickest song

wanted it to sound like but it wouldn’t translate. I laid out

ever. It’s got this Angelo Badalamenti, Twin Peaks synth,

on the bed so frustrated, until Richard came and said it’s

but in this heavy, epic, verbed-out way.

all okay. I sat in the closet with a blanket over my head and just recorded the vocals that way, and then it came. I

P: For me, it’s the early Liz Phair stuff. I had no idea that

want people to feel it in whatever context they’re feeling.

it’s so good. Oh, and this Weezer song, ‘I Just Threw Out

It was awesome to have friends be like, “I cried to this

The Love Of My Dreams’.

this morning.”

R: ‘Shane’ by Liz Phair was another one. A lot of cool

R: ‘Toad Mode’ is silly and light with that little darkness.

stuff like that. I didn’t really know her at all. That album,

‘Naked’ is funny, sweet, and vulnerable. Having these

‘Whip-Smart’, really good.

moments just feels very important. They’re true to us.

You mentioned a cat called Toad.

Could you then pick two songs each? One that will always make you smile, and another that brings you to your knees every time.

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R: ‘Waltz #1’ number one by Elliott Smith. That one gets

R: Yeah, you did a lot of new stuff, and the choices you

me very intensely every time I hear it. Then one that

made were so crazy to me. There’s like this weird phase

makes me smile, ‘Hello It’s Me’ by Todd Rundgren.

Tom thing that’s happening, and I listen to it walking around at night, and it’s perfect. It’s so cool. It doesn’t

P: I’m going, ‘Twisted’ by Johanna Warren. Crazy

sound like anything. I think that’s something that stumps

vocals, crazy lyrics. My friend was cutting my hair the

me. I would go like, “Well, the obvious choice would

other day, and it came on. She was like, “Oh, my God,

be something in this world, and then I can make it less

this is insane.” And then Paul McCartney’s ‘Hope Of

obvious.” But you go immediately to a less obvious thing,

Deliverance’.

which is so exciting and fresh to my ears.

You both have quite different and distinct strengths in

More stuff already? Tell me more on that.

the band. You must have learned a lot from each other? P: I mean, we’re still making stuff constantly. I hope R: When it came to writing, I always had an almost

something new comes out sooner rather than later. But

blueprint style, which came from working with lots

obviously, the EP is out on August 30th.

of different musicians over the years. Structure was something that I learned so much from Pearl because she

R: One song that did make the EP, ‘Bluff’, was in the

writes in this very feeling-based way. Lyrically too. We’ll

newer music sessions we were doing, and that feeling

come up with a little basic chord progression together,

carries over into the newer stuff. We were messing around

and she’ll just start freestyling, whispering, screaming, or

with more synthesisers and more vocal effect choices.

talking. It’s really cool to see that; I find it crazy to see

Sometimes we were like, “It’s really cool; it should sound

someone go for that instinctively.

more like shit.”

P: I didn’t really make music before this. I had just started

You direct your own videos, have had experience in the

guitar lessons, and I would just do the same melody for

film industry, and name Ryuichi Sakamoto as a huge

six minutes straight with different lyrics. It was so based

influence. What dream director would you love to work

on what I was going through and needing to get it out of

with?

the system. Richard taught me a lot in structuring and all the production; having him there and showing me the

R: Right now, I really love Jane Schoenbrun. They did

ropes was so beneficial.

‘I Saw the TV Glow’. I think Alex G did the whole soundtrack for it, and it was really cool to watch. I love

How much do you find yourselves experimenting with

Daniel Lopatin and his work with the Safdie’s.

switching roles? P: The two that come to mind are Luca Guadagnino P: Our newer stuff, that’s not out yet; there’s a lot more of

because he always has such iconic soundtracks. Then the

that there. I’m so excited about some of the new songs.

guy who did ‘Drive My Car’, Ryūsuke Hamaguchi, he’s awesome. I think we just hope we’re directing our own stuff too at a certain point; we’re both such visual people, and we both love movies. If we have a day off, we are praying we get to go to the movies. R: Large popcorn, large drink. P: We get two large popcorns. R: Oh yeah, each. I’ll watch any movie. I just love them. 24


Having drawn as a child as an escape and to lift her spirits,

Through my art, I aim to capture the elusive and often

Taiwanese artist Lulu Lin went on to gain her Batchelor’s

unclear emotions that exist in reality. I also seek to

degree in industrial design at Shih Chien University,

connect and communicate with others through various

Taiwan before doing her Master’s in communication

design and creative forms, striving to bridge our

design at Designskolen Kolding, Denmark. During this

experiences in a meaningful way.

time Lulu Lin officially launched her illustration career. What are you currently working on? “During my one-year exchange at Köln International School of Design in Germany, I had the free time to fully

A collaboration project with a local shoe design

embrace drawing as a hobby, which led me to share my

studio(chenjingkaioffice), in which I translate my

work online. However, it took another 3-4 years before I

illustrations into 3D models, and later turn them into shoe

began taking on commissioned illustrations.”

soles and metal accessories for shoes, some ceramics for my solo show in Tokyo in September, a book, Tokyo Art

Here at So Young, we’ve been following Lulu’s work for

Market in October, and some commissioned illustration

a while. Scottish band Walt Disco have effectively used

projects.

her pieces across singles and album art. Most recently Fontaines D.C. have licensed a series of Lulu’s work for

I’ve recently seen you recreating some of your pieces in

use throughout their new ‘Romance’ album campaign.

physical form, how has that worked?

Producing visuals which are set to become just as iconic as the album itself.

I draw on the knowledge I gained from my industrial design studies and the support of my friends to create.

Having just released a collaborative t-shirt with Lulu we

Two years ago, a friend taught me how to work with clay,

thought there was no better time to dig a little deeper and

and since then, I’ve enjoyed experimenting with it once a

find out about influences and the process involved in her

year.

amazing work. Tell us about a typical working day How do you go about starting a piece of work? Does it start as a pencil drawing? What is your process?

A typical working day for me begins with making a fresh cup of coffee to energise myself for the day ahead.

I draw when I feel confused about what I’m feeling or

Afterward, I take some time to clean the house, ensuring

when I’m eager to vent out my emotions.

my space is tidy and inviting. Next, I take care of my

I usually work on my iPad, beginning with a simple, crisp

plants. I then fit in a workout or some form of exercise to

outline (the foundation of my vision). From there, shades

keep my body active and healthy. Following my workout,

and colours flow naturally, arriving as they wish, adding

I dive into my work, focusing on my tasks and projects.

depth and intensity to the initial sketch.

As the day progresses, I take a break to cook, allowing me

Each layer becomes a spontaneous expression, allowing

to refuel and recharge. After finishing my meal, I continue

the artwork to evolve organically.

with my work until the day winds down.

The creative process serves as a therapeutic outlet for me, allowing a dialogue with my inner self. I view my illustrations as a way to communicate with myself. 25

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Lulu Lin @ da__h_


You’ve previously worked with bands like Walt Disco

Each of these artists brings a unique perspective and

and more recently Fontaines D.C. What has the process

creativity that I truly appreciate.

been like with the new Fontaines D.C. singles and album artwork?

Does music influence your work at all?

The illustrations for Fontaines D.C. are actually pieces

There is no direct influence, but I do listen to music

I had created previously. They selected a series of my

while I work. Some of my favourite playlists for working

existing work and purchased the licensing rights for those

include heavy, fast classical music and funk from the 70s

pieces.

and 80s.

Who’s work do you admire and why?

Finally, what can we expect to see from you in the near future?

I admire a variety of creators, particularly in comics, such as “Watchmen” and the work of Tatsuki Fujimoto. I’m

I’m not entirely sure, but I definitely hope that whatever

also a fan of anime, particularly the works of Satoshi Kon

comes next will be something that resonates with people

and Masaaki Yuasa. Additionally, I enjoy cartoons like

or that they will enjoy.

“Anpanman” and “Doraemon,” as well as TV shows like “Hacks” and “Bojack Horseman.”


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Lulu Lin

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When Wunderhorse first adorned the cover of these pages

After all its success, what are your thoughts on ‘Cub’

in 2022 (Issue Forty), it was effectively a solo vehicle for

these days? Now you are a different Wunderhorse to

frontman Jacob Slater. An outlet for songs collected since

the one that made that record, what’s your relationship

his teens, the resultant debut ‘Cub’ rose to popularity after

with it now?

its release, seemingly overnight, becoming a bona fide cult hit in its own right. With rapidly growing stages, tours

Jacob: [Midas] is the record that I wanted to make from

across America and Europe with Fontaines D.C. and Pixies

the start. I think it’s good that we made it together after

coming in its wake (there’s a headline at Brixton Academy

we’ve made the transition to being a band more formally,

due before the year is out) a new look Wunderhorse has

because with the first record - I like the songs on it and

since emerged: a unified rock band in every sense; a gang

I’m not ashamed of it or anything - I think the production,

of four voices electrified together as one. “It feels right”,

the way we approached it, was quite middle of the road,

Jacob confirms, “It feels the way it was always supposed

quite safe. I think we did things a little differently with

to.”

this record and made the guitar record that I’d always wanted to make. It certainly felt a much more authentic

Decamping stateside to the forests of Minnesota to record

and more accurate expression of how we feel and how we

at the same studio (Pachyderm in Cannon Falls) where

sound live as a band.

Nirvana recorded ‘In Utero’, the result of all this change is ‘Midas’, an album that flies the flag for all of rock’s

Is your relationship with the new songs any different?

most venerated virtues. With it’s compound of triumphant grunge and wounded melody, it’s music that bruises and

Harry: As a player yeah. There’s more of us as players

bleeds for that almighty cause of instinctive, warts’ n’ all,

in this album, personality wise, than there was in ‘Cub’.

body-to-the-limit, Nirvana-at-Reading, Pearl-Jam-at-

With ‘Cub’ there was a lot more referring and deferral to

Pinkpop rock ‘n’ fuckin’ roll.

Jacob’s vision. This one particularly is more us pushing our personalities through our instruments in a much more

From the outside, it’s an album fizzing with the creative

natural way.

renewal that inspired it: an indirect commentary on the pitfalls of modernity, digital alienation and the relentless

Did you find it more liberating, Jacob, to have less of

quest for glossy perfectionism; a testament to the

an onus on it being ‘your project’.

timelessly authentic allure of an artform that doubles down on trusting guts, following hearts, and revelling in

J: I don’t know about liberating but it was definitely more

life’s vital imperfections.

fun. Sorry, it’s a crappy way of saying it, but it reminded me of how you feel when you’re playing with a bunch of

But as we take shelter from the diluvian rain to catch up

mates when you’re like 15/16. For a long time, I’ve put

with Wunderhorse in London Bridge, it quickly becomes

a lot of pressure on myself, like it’s all gotta come from

clear that, from the inside, they aren’t too interested

me. Then when other people start contributing their ideas

in judging themselves against any pervading musical

- things that I wouldn’t necessarily have thought of - it’s

climate. More on their agenda is the bloody-minded urge

like,“this is how it’s supposed to be”. And everything,

to make something rough, ready and raw that doubles

everyone’s ideas have become entwined to make

down on the thrills of their increasingly ecstatic live

something bigger than the sum of its parts.

performances. Leave all that pretence to the journalists, I guess.

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Jamie: Jake was still very much the prime songwriter on

H: There’s a guitar that was still knocking about when

this record but it definitely felt like a stepping stone to

they were there. A really old beaten up guitar that you can

there being more input from everyone. We all got stuck

see in the photos when they were there.

into it and I think more could come in the future. J: We didn’t realise! We were playing and someone Did you feel any sense of pressure given the fact that

showed us a picture and we’re like sitting in the same spot

all of a sudden, you’ve got a lot more riding on this

Kurt was sitting in…

album? H: …same sofa…same carpet. H: Initially, we had a handful of songs going in, and an idea of what we thought the album was going to be. But

J: It was quite weird, to be honest.

80% of it didn’t end up being on the album. Harry: That novelty kind of wears off. I feel like we made J: It was scary! We had all these songs that we thought

it our own place pretty quickly, but initially it was quite

were going to work and then they didn’t and then when we

intense.

ditched them there was a moment of panic, a limbo state, like “we’ve not fucking got anything!” But once the ideas

What did you do to switch off when you were there?

started coming… We wrote over half the record in the studio, which was quite unusual, definitely for me. I don’t

J: Turned my phone off for a month, which was great!

think any of us have done that. Jamie: We got really stuck in. H: It was the first time we ever had to have some faith in ourselves. I think there were some doubts going in,

What did this space away from online distractions

and the fact we were able to go in almost entirely empty

provide to the process?

handed and come up with something, it gave us a bit of confidence.

J: Time, I think. In the evenings when you stop [working], you have to sit with your own head. I feel that’s where

J: It almost ended up being our secret weapon, the thing

your imagination starts to actually work because you

we were most afraid of.

create a world to disappear into. If you’re always being drip fed with endless stimulation, it’s very hard for your

You’re talking about when you went to record in

brain to get to that spot where the magic happens.

America, right? I was looking up the studio, and it’s like buttfuck nowhere in the middle of the woods.

P: We were playing for a lot of the day. And the last thing

Whose idea was that?

you want to do after your brain is already fried from doing so much music is to go online and see more people doing

Peter: It was [producer] Craig Silvey’s idea. We came to

more music. Also, there’s the distraction element of it as

him with an idea of making a raw record, and that we all

well. The fact that you could be coming up with an idea,

wanted to play as much as we could together in a room.

and suddenly your phone dings and you’re completely out

And he strongly recommended Pachyderm to us.

of your headspace that you were in. Why would you want to encourage that to happen?

How did he sell it to you? J: I think you’re a lot less likely to see an idea through to J: He said it’s where ‘In Utero’ was made and we all went,

its conclusion if you’ve got your phone on you. I don’t

“all right then”!

think they’re conducive to creativity at all. Maybe I’m an old man.

Is there any Nirvana memorabilia in the studio?

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When I listen to the album - its influences, its sounds,

J: If you’re going to play to someone else’s strengths, you

its styles - it feels like it’s harking back to this quote

will fail because that’s their strengths. Even if it’s not ‘the

unquote ‘old school rock’n’ roll’ It’s a bit messy, it’s

flavour of the month’, or whatever, you’ve got to be like

really loud… ‘Midas’ seems to go against the grain

“this is what we do. This is what we’re good at.” And so

of what we might currently define as ‘modern’, like,

we’re gonna hone that to the sharpest point possible. To

I don’t know - super clean productions, synthesisers

subvert what we’re doing to make some sort of artistic

or everything to a click. I wonder if your intentions

statement… that’s not really our prime aim.

behind making the music you do is as a revolt against something else?

The band has developed so quickly. I saw you play a couple years ago, and then again earlier this year,

H: I think it’s just a style in itself. We wanted to make the

it was kind of crazy how much you’d moved on in

best possible rock album. I didn’t think it was necessarily

terms of your performances. There was so much more

a revolt; if it was anything it was a doubling down on a

movement, more energy, more nastiness. Have your

rougher, rawer sound. We were getting away from the first

priorities as a live band changed more through playing

album - if there was any revolt at all. With synths, clicks,

together more?

stuff like that - we’re not against that. It’s just more that there’s a time and place to use whatever you want to use. I

J: The ‘Cub’ songs were more complex to play! You

definitely don’t want to feel like we’re trapped in the box

gotta concentrate! With the Midas stuff, we tried to make

where we can only make rough and raw albums.

it as simple as possible and inadvertently, that’s led to performances where we can give a lot more energy and

Jamie: It just felt right didn’t it? These songs, it was what

personality to what we’re doing. I think what we want to

they were calling out for.

do with our live shows is just make it as real and visceral as possible and invite mistakes to happen. I feel like a lot

J: I was raised on that kind of music. It’s just what I like.

of people aim for this idea of perfection, it’s like “we’ve

I’ve always wanted to make one record that really hit that

got to nail everything!” I think the magic’s when shit

mark, and I feel like this one did.

blows up or falls apart and you have to improvise on the spot.

It’s so easy to be like, “these guys are doing this and they’re doing great, maybe I should do that.” It’s like fuck

What has gone really badly wrong during a show?

that! Music’s supposed to be a raw expression of who you are, not some timid reflection of what someone else is

J: My pedalboard falling apart. When we did Isle of Wight

doing.

I had to sing ‘Cathedrals’ without a guitar, which is the main instrument. But there’s thousands of people out

Do you think that’s hard to avoid, though, comparing

there. You have to look them in the eye and be like “this

yourself to other bands like that?

is how it’s gonna fucking go now”. You’ve got to make something of it. Also, amps blowing up. Amps Failing.

H: Sure, it can be. But you have to remind yourself when

Throwing a mic stand across the stage and being like

you’re doing it that it’s just bullshit. When you do that,

“fuck I haven’t got a mic stand”...

you’re just stunting what you could possibly do. P: We’re looking for ways to keep it interesting. We do Jamie: We’re not infallible. We look at other bands who

that through jamming a lot on the night. It’s a nice way to

are doing really well, and we think, “We’re not fucking

keep ourselves on our toes, experiment a bit and see if we

there yet.” But I think you’ve got to remind yourself that

can throw each other off!

music is just so broad. You just gotta be happy doing what you’re doing and stick at it.

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That’s when it’s really fun, when you feel like you’re not

Jamie: With Pixies, we’re touring with living legends

just rehashing the songs you’ve rehearsed over and over

really. They’re an amazing band sound-wise so there’s a

again.

lot to gain from them. With Fontaines, we definitely saw what they could do with a few chords, which was inspired.

P: I think people feel that as well, if you’re just watching a

It maybe had an influence on how we approached the new

performance that has been done the same way 50 times…

record.

H: We grew up watching Pearl Jam live at Pinkpop;

H: With Fontaines, we were watching them every night

Nirvana play live at Reading. We’re watching these rock

more or less. You just believed them every time you saw

bands at their best, playing the best rock shows that have

them.

ever been played on earth, and being like, “that’s the bar”. P: The first tour with Fontaines in America, most of Has playing bigger stages affected that at all?

us hadn’t been on a tour that long, especially not in the States. It was interesting seeing how they carried

H: The bigger the stage, the more confident I feel. I think

themselves and got through that, in their own way, on and

we belong on the biggest stages possible.

off stage.

Given that you’ve toured with Fontaines D.C. and

Big tips for touring America?

Pixies, did you learn anything playing with these bands night after night that you took on board for

H: Don’t go in a splitter.

yourselves? J: Don’t follow a band around flying everywhere and you J: They’re at that level where they’ve been through the

have a fucking drive like 17 hours a day!

motions. We’re thinking, “we want to do this”, so we’re watching how the process works and how best to utilise an

Jamie: I mean, do do it. If the opportunity is there!

environment like that to do the best show possible.

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Presents

GradList

2024


We are excited to partner with the Arts University Bournemouth for a fifth year and to select and show off some of 2024’s graduates from the Illustration course. The work chosen ranges from ceramics to children’s books and character design. We caught up with the selected illustrators to get an insight into their work and highlight some of our favourite pieces.

Millie Johnson – @mill.ustration

Erin May Cooper – @erinmaycooper

Dominika Leszczynska – @dleszczynskaa


Heidi Teremetz – @heidi.teremetz

Arthur Gnivko – @gnivko_art

Tom Filer – @thelostoctopus

Denisa Ailenei – @pixi4rt


Freya Relfe-Dacey – @freya.rd.illustration

Maisie Barr – @maislecakes

Martin Samways – @leckuth


Alastair Shuttleworth of LICE provided the answers,

So, he had been keeping an eye on us from the shadows.

yet I was left with only more questions. Who am I? Are

Then we made ‘WASTELAND…’ and we released that,

my thoughts mine? How should I critique my everyday

managed ourselves through most of that campaign, doing

existence? Thankfully, some resolve regarding this despair

everything off our own backs. It’s one of those things as a

towards the possibilities of determinism can be found in,

new band, as we were at the time; obviously we’ve been

‘Third Time At The Beach’, the new album from LICE. A

going fucking billions of years now, but you never know

radically adventurous album that sonically crashes through

who’s keeping an eye on what on what you’re doing. We

time, shattering the illusions which we did not initially

are all massive fans of AD93; Moin especially, Valentina

recognise, enraptured by the journey of becoming free.

Magaletti particularly for me. I’m given to hyperbole, the word genius is one thing I do hold off on deploying a lot, I

We discussed our shared love of Valentina Magaletti,

do think Valentina’s a genius.

inspiration for lyric writing, their tendency towards extremity, the issue of London-centricity and the potential

How do you understand this album with respect to

of existing in the periphery. Plus, everything in-between

‘WASTELAND: What Ails Our People Is Clear’’?

and more; history, economics and philosophy – but, to hear that, listen to the album. LICE desire to be constantly

In one respect, the approach follows on conceptually

curious, that curiosity has flourished in this project. An

in ‘Third Time at The Beach’ from what we did on

introduction to ways of thinking, critiquing our common

‘WASTELAND’. ‘WASTELAND.’, we called it a “satire

sense to understand the complexities of our times. Yet, as

about satire”, which we thought was a pithy thing for the

much as this interview was, ‘Third Time At The Beach’ is

press release. It was looking at how ideas are formed,

a conversation about the process of learning. The album

about how political ideas are formed, about bigotry and

requires mutual recognition between the makers and

punk music. The stuff that we were surrounded by as an

the listeners, a project of continuous becoming through

erstwhile punk band. How in turn that politicised music

consciousness-raising. It is sincere – together we learn.

went and lived in the world. It asked questions about the way that we process information and think about

It is clearly an active decision, what drew you towards

information. With ‘Third Time at The Beach’, it’s the

creating a concept album?

same spirit but we are thinking about basically all of life: economics, language, history; things we started to get

Well, it’s a question of why you make an album as

heavily into around the completion of ‘WASTELAND’.

opposed to shorter projects. It’s one of those things

In one respect we were able to make ‘Third Time at The

where it has always appealed and made sense to us that

Beach’ because we wrote ‘WASTELAND’ in such a

if you’re going to write a group of songs that are going

weird way. But, this album was also incredibly different.

to get released together. There should probably be some

‘WASTELAND’ was done as you’d expect a record to

overarching clear idea or theme that you’re dealing with.

be done, basically completed in one hit in a studio. This

It’s an opportunity, the scope is there to really dig into

album, ‘Third Time at The Beach’ was recorded in various

ideas and change your opinion. It was clear to us from the

places over years. Some of it was done in a studio, some

start that we wanted this record to deal with one big idea.

in the basement of the Louisiana, a brilliant music venue in Bristol that has been very important to us, bits from the

Signing to AD93, an amazing label, why and how did

road. What makes this record different is it’s a collage of

that collaboration come about?

recordings over time. That also extends to the writing, I think you can tell when you listen to the record.

Honestly, we are still pinching ourselves. I believe the way that we were initially put on Nick Tasker at AD93’s

The lyrics are about our experience as beings, self-

radar was that he had heard about us from a friend of his.

realisation, and our relationship with social forces. Where did you find these feelings from?

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Around the time that we were finishing ‘WASTELAND’,

There’s this amazing community around Bristol, that is

Silas got interested in reading philosophy, especially

interested in extremity, experimental music, putting on

where philosophy interacts with economic theory. He

nights that were the craziest thing anyone has ever seen

started introducing me to literature that dealt with,

and that having a kind of magnetism. Extremity in music

for example, the way that political commentators and

and the arts has a kind of mysterious pole to it.

politicians talk about the economy. Silas is responsible Do you see yourselves a Bristol formed band?

for introducing me personally to all of the music that really inspired me going into my 20s, because we all met at University, such as early post-punk, industrial music,

Yes. We relocated to London, but we are still involved

noise, minimalism; all the things that fed ‘WASTELAND’.

in the community there. We do a monthly radio show on

He introduced me to Lukacs and the theory of reification.

Noods Radio. In our time coming to Bristol, it’s one of

We liked the idea of an album that dealt with this arc of

the best things to happen in the city culturally, and Micky

thinking about how we are kids, hammered into a certain

Zoggs where they broadcast from, which thankfully has

way of thinking and as you grow up you get to this point

just been saved from developers; which we know doesn’t

where you realise, so much of my worldview is built on

get to happen that much.

things that I’ve just assumed are correct, or the correct modes of thinking. We thought it would be great to do

Electronic music is thriving outside London, but bands

an album about life, the way that we understand it and

do tend towards London. Do you see that as an issue?

explain it each other. The lyrics were written from a place of gradually getting to grips with that.

Totally. I think that the centralisation of the British music scene in London is not only destructive for people trying

What do you believe to be the dominant genres or

to get into music living in the provinces, the North, as

sounds in your music, are labels necessary?

another barrier in an already incredibly unfair industry. That is awful, because it makes you think about how

It’s interesting isn’t it because when you think about genre

much music we are missing. But, it also breeds this thing,

labels, that in itself a tool developed to explain music

talking about the experimental sensibility of cities outside

to each other. We have however, about since the time of

of London, since the London scene is so saturated with

writing ‘WASTELAND’ thought about our sound very

people, not just A&R’s but people acting as proxy A&R’s

largely in terms of industrial and minimalism, even if only

– radio plugs, PR’s, music lawyers – all these people are

in terms of their kind of the spirit. The spirit of the cold,

they trying to find musical talent first and bring it into

alien, modern world and this thing that’s all to do with

their stable. As a result of that, if you’re a new artist in

change, funnelled through this very crude, simple guitar

London and you’re doing something vaguely interesting,

band.

you’re being snapped up before you’re able to develop. Whereas in Bristol there are so many acts that go for ages,

Where does that desire or tendency towards extremity

us included, before anyone in London pays attention them.

come from?

As a result, they get to mature and, in many cases, develop into increasingly weird shapes.

In a word, Bristol. I think that we formed in Bristol, certainly at a time when it felt like it was trying to shrug

There’s a lyric that sticks out to me, “A labour of

off the albatross of trip-hop and all the stuff that had come

constructing knowledge”. Is that then what you see as

before and carve out this new sense of identity. Young

the project of LICE, at least for the moment?

Echo had just recently established themselves as a big, important cultural force in Bristol; Howling Owl records

That’s what LICE is, it’s about curiosity, trying to carve

coming through releasing things like Silver Waves; a

out some understanding of the deceptively complicated

brilliant industrial label called Bokeh Versions which then

structures and systems that we live our day to day lives in,

expanded into a circle of experimental noise artists called

and the way we explain it to each other.

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Cork based photographer Emilyn Cardona was born in Venezuela, and moved to Spain when she was 6 years old. Living between Panama and Spain until she was 22. Emilyn studied photography for two years at St. Johns Central College, Cork, taking her first step into the darkroom, film processing and studio lighting. We came across Emilyn’s photography while working with Cardinals (So Young Records). Emilyn has a great eye for capturing the band and has produced some incredibly intimate portraits of each of the members providing a window into their world. As well as some special live photography. We spoke with Emilyn about her aspirations and career so far. What’s your main inspiration while creating work? My inspiration is just to seize the moment. To be present. Document something bigger than me, I guess. I always keep in mind Henri Cartier Bresson’s way of capturing the world. He said basically that there is a creative fraction of a second while you are shooting, your eye must see a composition or an expression offered by life and you need to follow your intuition when to click the camera. That is the moment, when you miss it, it is gone forever. I try to not be haunted by the missing ones. 45

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What first drew you to photography? I know it sounds simple but, when I was a teenagerI I would say at the beginning for me it was not forgetting important moments since I only have a handful of pictures from my childhood. Then after growing up it’s a tool to connect with people, I think I make friends easier when I am carrying a camera. You’ve formed an amazing creative relationship with Cardinals, what’s it like shooting them? Shooting them is comforting in a way, I have been shooting them for a bit, on and off the stage, so they are used to the camera. I feel safe travelling to cities we have not been to together. I feel we all look after each other. They are used to me because I was around them even before working together, and because I am the coolest person ever to work with. They trust my creative process, communicate clearly what they want, and I think that’s why I it’s easy working with them. The fact they are all gentlemen also helps. In particular you took the photo for the cover of their EP, what was the idea behind that shoot? The band was invested in paying tribute to The Pogues, especially the ‘If I Should Fall From Grace With God’ album cover. So I took that as a guide and tried giving it a twist. I shot that on 120 film and I was amazed by the final work, and that look only comes from what film has to offer. What are you currently working on? And what can we expect to see from you in the near future? I will say, something my mum has always told me is, don’t tell strangers about your plans or projects before they are done. Especially when the big new starts to circulate, it can protect you from bad energy.


It’s been a long road getting there, but the road that London’s DEADLETTER have travelled down on the way to releasing a debut album has been one full of constant surprises, exponential growth and staggering achievements. To think that a band that feels as established as they are has only existed for four years and are yet to put out a full-length record kind of beggars belief. And yet, here we are on the cusp of being presented with ‘Hysterical Strength’; a bold statement of a record if ever there was one. Though it wears its emotions on its sleeve and never holds back from displays of raw intensity, the album still manages to find opportunity to slip into moments of rapturous joy, and at times is simply downright fun. Speaking to the core trio of frontman Zac Lawrence, bassist George Ulyott and drummer Alfie Husband, the full story of how the band reached this landmark moment in their career was revealed, alongside tales of busking in Yorkshire seaside towns and winning over fans from disparate genres.

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In the bio for ‘Hysterical Strength’, you say that “it’s

Z: We had a bit of a realisation last year - we were playing

punishing, but there’s also fucking beauty out there”.

a festival in France called Pete the Monkey, and it was

Could you delve into what you meant by that and how

mainly electronic music. What really struck me was that

it applies to the themes of the album?

the whole crowd were dancing, but not in a way which we were used to at our shows. People tend to mosh or

Zac: It’s an acceptance that life is not a straight road -

push one another about, and it was quite an eye opening

there are constantly bumps, but there are also a lot of

moment to see people dancing like they would at 3am in

reasons to wake up in the morning and have a lease for

front of a DJ.

what’s in front of you. I think there was a point when I would have regarded myself as more pessimistic in tone,

How much has the expansion of the band had an effect

but I don’t think that’s the case now. I think that I’m

on that as well?

probably a realist, which means that there can be a steady balance of misery and glee. There’s still cynicism in there,

Z: I think it definitely has, I don’t think we’ve really

but I would say that the realistic undertone throughout

worked with someone who plays guitar quite like Sam

is “this is a fucking travesty, how can we make it sound

before.

appealing?” Could you see the pessimistic outlook change after the ‘Heat’ EP? Z: It’s quite hard to put a time a timeframe on it, and I don’t think it was particularly the most conscious of changes. It just seemed to happen the more I was writing, and perhaps lockdown did have an impact on it because a lot of the lyrics on the EP were written then. Alfie: Personally for you during that time you were still drinking and now it’s a different story. It has quite a profound effect on one’s life getting clean. You definitely see things clearer. Z: Yeah, my own clarity has inevitably come into the way that I operate the creative plane. Something I’ve noticed throughout your development as a group is you’re progressively moving towards being a lot more danceable. What has pushed you in that direction? A: George and I have drums and bass set up in our living room. The stuff that makes us click when we’re jamming is often just really simple grooves with a punchy bass drum that you can connect to and start dancing to, whether that’s hip hop or dub.

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We always say that if for whatever reason he were to

G: It seems quite a brutal way to work, but I think it’s the

ever walk away, none of us will be able to teach anyone

way to do it. As long as the lyrics still exist, they can be

the parts. Poppy’s saxophone parts on the record are

used again, it might just be that we go back to old things

phenomenal, I hadn’t quite realised just how great they

a year later. As much as it sounds disposable, we won’t

were until we were in the studio and I heard her playing

ponder on the same thing for the three hours in a rehearsal

them on her own.

room.

George: The recording process is a great eye opener to see

What do you recall about bands and venues in your

how much everyone adds individually in their own right.

hometowns growing up in North Yorkshire, and what can you tell me about your first musical experiences

I know that you have an approach to writing rapidly.

playing together?

Do you find yourself throwing a lot away because it just doesn’t immediately feel right?

Z: I don’t think I’ve ever seen a band in my hometown. Whitby perhaps is a bit more culturally rich and likewise

Z: Yeah, there are moments where you all look at one

Robin Hood’s Bay; the fishing village where Alf’s from.

another a few minutes into doing something, and you’re

Alfie spent a lot more time there than I, but every Tuesday

like “this isn’t a moment”, and they only ever would have

night there’s a band called Steve Phillips and the Rough

existed for those three minutes.

Diamonds who play in a pub called the Grosvenor. They do blues standards and old country songs. A: My dad took me to that pub in Robin Hood’s Bay every Tuesday from when I was about 14. The drummer was immaculate, and would never overplay anything. I still think about him quite a lot. When we first started playing together we were just busking. Although we were playing covers, we learned to play loud which I think is quite an important thing to do at that age. Z: I’m convinced it’s why we don’t suffer from terrible stage fright because you’re going out on the streets playing to people who aren’t here to see you. For some reason we were able to get people to stop and pop money. We haven’t really seen cash like that since. A: One weekend in Whitby, we earned £600. We used to go to this milkshake shop on the corner with all this change and the owner was like “I can’t help you today boys, I don’t have enough notes in my till”.

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Deadletter came to be in 2020, but at what point would

Because the album is called ‘Hysterical Strength’, I

you say that your personal tastes and the things that

just wanted to ask each of you - what do you think is

you were creating together began shifting in that

the biggest animal you could take on in a fight and

direction?

beat?

Z: Probably when we were 16, when we were a three

Z: I’m going to go straight in with a crocodile. I often

piece.

have a pen on me, and apparently there’s a little hole somewhere behind the crocodile’s eye where if you shove

Musically it was nowhere near as established and lyrically

a pencil or a pen shaped thing in it, it cuts off its oxygen

it definitely wasn’t, but I think even in the early days there

supply and stops it from being able to get at you.

was always a harshness to what we were doing. Even then you could move about to our music, you know.

A: I probably couldn’t take on anything much bigger than a medium-sized dog.

G: This is what I was thinking with the answer to the question before - I do feel like the dance element has

G: I mean, it depends - you can get less dangerous big

always been there, I just don’t always think that’s been

animals, can’t you? You can get a Shetland pony that’s

things that we’ve released.

bigger than a dog, but it’s not going to attack you. I don’t know, what do you do, slowly strangle it? That’s a horrible

What would you say has been the biggest pinch

thought.

yourself moment of the year so far? G: Down the Rabbit Hole was probably one of the wildest things I’ve ever seen, and Glastonbury in the last 18 months, that was special. I guess putting an album out; it hasn’t happened yet, but it’s something we’ve been looking forward to, since we were 16 really. A: The first week of recording, there was a moment where I thought “this is fucking weird that we’re actually doing this”. Z: For me, I really make sure to never take for granted what we’re doing. Every weekend in one way or another can be a pinch yourself moment because it was beyond our wildest dreams at one point to imagine that we’d be able to go not only up and down the country, but to other countries and play in front of crowds. Every single time we do it, I have to remind myself that we’re fortunate to be doing this.

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Since their inception, LA-based trio julie have beckoned

That’s true! I’ve never really thought about how that

people into their multifaceted creative world through

could extend to a live audience. So, you’re about to put

their compelling sound and conscientious exploration of

out your debut album ‘my anti-aircraft friend’, how

different mediums. Previously hailed for their part in the

did you find putting together an album compared to

rejuvenation of shoegaze, julie have a way of melding

your previous projects?

dark instrumentation and soft vocals into addictive K: It was really difficult, that’s for sure.

showcases of their expansive skillsets, something they’ve achieved better than ever before on their upcoming debut

D: It was definitely a really lengthy process, we spent

album ‘my anti-aircraft friend’.

more than a year trying to hammer out certain songs, it Having moved from their hometown of Orange County to

taking so long was the right thing though because we

the historically artistic hub that is Los Angeles when they

got to sit with everything and make sure it was what we

were only teenagers, Alexandria Elizabeth (vocals and

wanted to make for our first album.

bass), Keyan Pourzand (vocals and guitar) and Dillon Lee (drums) absorbed the creative freedom of their new found

A: Sonny DiPerri produced this record, who we’ve done

peers and dove into their artistic pursuits. Now years down

a couple singles with before, that process showed us a lot

the line, and with a dedicated following in tow, julie’s

about how to prepare properly for recording. The way we

‘my anti-aircraft friend’ is a celebration of the band’s

work is we write and rehearse for months before we even

comfortability and fluency in their craft.

step foot in a recording studio.

Where in the world are you right now? Are you mid-

K: The songs are made to be played live so we never even

tour?

touch a computer until it’s time to press record.

Alexandria: We’re in Ohio - we just had our last show

Do you think that impacts what you make as well? Are

with Faye Webster last night.

you expecting a certain sound from it if the live show is at the forefront of your mind?

I feel like I wouldn’t match your sound with Faye Webster, how has it been? How did you find the crowd?

A: It’s not necessarily a priority, but because we’re so well rehearsed and we play the way that we do it has a

A: We’ve gotten that a lot!

certain feeling, tempo, and energy that’s unique to us three as individuals coming together. That’s preserved in

Keyan: Surprisingly, for how different the music is, the

the recording - or at least we try to preserve that in the

fans seemed pretty receptive which was really nice.

recording.

Dillon: It’s been really fun, we’ve done about six or seven

Would you say you approached the album trying to fine

shows with her, last night was the last one.

tune what you’ve done to date or did you find yourself trying to do something new? I feel like you can take

I always see Faye Webster with a huge range of artists,

either approach with a debut…

it seems like if she likes someone she’ll just work with them, even if they aren’t a perfect match with her vibe

D: I think it was a little bit of both. We honed in on some

- it’s a really cool thing to do!

of the things we already do, updating it or taking a better approach, but we also tried some new things. We used

A: Yeah, for our generation too, people are listening to a

some ideas that have been simmering in our heads for a

lot of different genres because of the internet and such, so

while, but tried to do it in a way that sounds cohesive so

I’ve noticed a lot of artists are really open to that.

nothing is super out of the ordinary.

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K: We don’t necessarily go out of our way to reinvent the

Seeing those bands for the first time was a nice change of

wheel, we’re just kind of having fun, but I think the last

pace from what we grew up with in our hometown.

song ‘stuck in a car with angels’ may be the most different thing we’ve done. We’ve never really tried having Dillon

It was cool to have new peers who were doing music of

play guitar whilst I was also playing guitar, it’s a really

their own - music that was kind of in the same vein of

interesting change of pace with that one I think.

what we would listen to anyway. It was interesting though, the whole ‘shoegaze revival thing’ wasn’t fully in fruition

A: Yeah for sure, having an actual lead guitar and rhythm

yet, I didn’t feel it when I first came to LA, it slowly

guitar.

started to surface online and then it became this big thing.

Way back at the beginning of the band you moved

So you caught it right at the beginning of that revival…

to LA, it was also around the same time that things started to pick up with julie, how did being in LA

A: Yeah, I also think moving here meant we met a lot of

change what you were doing? Did it?

other creatives, we’ve befriended a community of really talented fine artists in the area. That’s been so inspiring

D: Yeah I think so, absolutely. It’s funny, when we moved

for a lot of different reasons, meeting people who are just

to LA we were getting really inspired by a lot of the local

working really hard on their art, it’s been inspiring for our

bands who had the same influences and tastes as us.

physical art too.

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Seeing as you’re all artistic in so many other ways,

I’ve never been to a house show! I wouldn’t even know

how do all of those ventures play into each other and

where to start but I would’ve loved to have that when I

interact?

was younger.

D: They’re definitely intertwined. Even before we moved,

A: Some people’s parents were just like “yeah lets have

we wanted to function as more of an art collective, moving

hundreds of teens over”.

to LA helped us to focus on that. Being surrounded by a lot of visual artists, there was a little more encouragement,

K: I have a feeling the parents didn’t know.

and we could do things that melded those worlds together. Last year we did a little noise set in one of our friends’

When you tour, do you ever get a chance to look at

warehouses, that’s something we’ve wanted to introduce

local scenes in new cities?

into the band for a while, our art desires definitely meld with the band.

K: Sometimes, I mean we try to as much as possible! When we look for support acts we try to find bands that

It’s a bit chicken and egg to ask which came first, but

are local to that scene if we can. Unfortunately we don’t

in an attempt to understand which process you started

usually have much time between the dates to be able to

with, were you already involved in other kinds of art

explore, which is really sad, because we wish…

when you started making music? D: We definitely would want to, if we knew what show K: It happened at the exact same time. The importance of

was happening or what the scene was like, but sometimes

art and music were one in the same to us and still are. So

just coming into a new place you don’t really know where

from the very beginning we were thinking about both I

to find a show or if it’s even happening. I’m definitely

guess.

always thinking about that.

A: Dillon grew up with a heavy background in illustration, drawing and painting. Keyan was always into design and architecture growing up and throughout highschool. For me, I had more of a musical upbringing, but I’d also do stuff with sewing and other art as well. So when we met each other we all had these distinct artistic interests that meshed together really well. You all grew up in Orange County, earlier you mentioned the difference between the scene there and the scene in LA, what was the scene in Orange County like? D: At least when we were growing up, like 2016 and a little before, the scene was made up of local punk or indie bands. It was sort of all over Orange County which was really cool. It would be really small venues and a lot of house shows, there were four or five major spots that everyone would frequent. It was typically a lot of punk, hardcore and indie.

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Melbourne’s Gut Health have done the rounds of

The love for music in both locations is very strong and

Australia’s underground scene for quite some time

everyone seems to be willing to give new music a try.

now, notorious for high energy and balancing multiple

But coming to practically the other side of the world and

musical ideas and genre. The character and energy of

seeing people who love the kind of music that comes from

Gut Health has only built with time and two years after

our town is quite surreal.

their formation, they prepare themselves for their biggest venture yet; the release of their debut album “Stiletto”.

A: Seeing a music scene which aesthetically is very

Their record is as intense as it is marvellous, an epic 10

resemblant of the Egg-Punk scene back in Melbourne

track album jam packed with 80s Post-Punk, Folk, R&B,

gives us great gratitude from the community that we’ve

Jazz and, in their words, “B-Grade Sci-Fi Films”. Lead

come up from. We’ve played places where no one ever

singer Athina Uh oh is the ultimate representation of the

heard our name before and everyone’s always open to

bands sound packing the character and charm to lead

enjoying themselves, nothing tops when everyone in the

their performances. Making a gap in their busy schedule,

audience jumps along.

I called Gut Health from outside their hotel in Lille, the morning of the band’s last show of their European tour, their third tour of the year! Hello Gut Health, sorry for the early start: still drinking my orange juice! Athina: Don’t sweat it, it’s all sweet, we have to checkout at 12 anyways. How’s the EU Tour been so far? Dom: It’s been good! We toured over May/June with our first run of shows overseas. We went around Australia at the start of the year so it’s actually our third tour of the year! Mostly around Germany. Athina: We’ve performed a wide range of shows from Festivals to Smaller DIY venues which have been super fulfilling. We’re feeling very grateful to have the opportunity to come over and explore these cities. If you had to pinpoint one difference between playing in Australia and Europe what would it be? A: I think it’s entirely dependent on the specific city D: We might have a skewed perspective because the Melbourne scene is connected and similar to the European one.

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Do you think the surroundings of Melbourne have inspired you musically? A: Environment plays a big role in our music, we’re lucky to have such a supporting music community here which has given us a lot of inspiration. It’s informed by the venues we play and the people around us. Because we’re descendants of settlers we don’t have as much of a deeper connection to Melbourne though. D: I think specifically our places of practice have influenced the sound within our recordings, we used to practice in a shipping container. Definitely more so on the wider more spacial songs we have. Like the sound is bouncing from one side of the container to the other.

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Are there plans to come to the UK?

A: I think we’re quite visually driven and try to draw up these large images in our sound, all of that is reflected in our choice of words.

A: Not at the moment but hopefully, after the release of our debut album we’ll be able to do an Album tour.

When album’s have a Titular track, the whole album D: Hopefully people like the record, it’s a very nerve-

tends to revolve around that song thematically, is that

racking feeling anticipating the reception and whether or

the case here?

not it’ll be positive. A: We’ve had this song since the beginnings of Gut There seems a big demand for expressive and fun Punk

Health and we’ve played it live a lot but I wouldn’t

in the UK at the moment…

say its the pinpoint for the whole record because the songs are all quite varied. It’s always been there and it’s

A: There’s some great music coming out of the UK and

hugely important to the album but the whole album isn’t

it’s been great to play alongside them here in Europe!

foregrounded by it.

That leads nicely onto your debut Album ‘Stiletto’.

D: We pretty much still end all of our live show’s with that

First of all, how did you land on that name?

song. There’s definitely kind of an unconscious drawing to the song’s experience of building up and tearing itself

A: It’s one of the tracks off the record, it’s the final

apart, I’d say the record has snippets of the idea’s of that

track on the album and the word sort of ties into the

while ‘Stiletto’ feels like them all coming together. But

theme’s we explore throughout the album and is a perfect

that wasn’t intentional from the get-go.

representation of our sound. There’s lots of performance, power dynamics and reality and the word Stiletto

A: We made the record first then the name and what the

exemplifies that. I’d specifically draw inspiration from

singles were gonna be came after.

cut-outs of punk magazines sort of mimicking a Stiletto and that introduced me to Punk and Hyper Femme scenes

Did you have a hunch when you recorded it that the

from across the world.

title track would end up being a single?

D: There was something cool about the image of a Stiletto

A: We definitely did know that for a while, it was quite

on a record and that object’s representation of beauty and

a risky choice as it’s such a long song and we wondered

power. It’s also just a cool word in general.

whether or not it would be possible but I’d always wanted it to be like that.

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D: To be honest, everytime we write a new song we’re in

All prior releases and this album have felt like a journey

the headspace of “This is the next single guys, this song

of realisation of what we’ve wanted to make and getting

rules!” when in actuality it’s just because it’s fresh and

this album out is only the first step.

new to our material. But we’ve always liked that track and we’ve wanted it to be one of the singles for a long time.

D: Initially our first EP was going to be the album but that ended up not coming together. Two of those tracks are

With a Debut Album, it tends to be a long process

now on the record.

with lots of drafting between old songs and new songs throughout the life of a band, but at what point did you

A: We’ve been learning as we go as none of us have ever

as a band decide it was time to make an album?

made a record before and its been a long time coming.

A: We’d been gigging relentlessly coming out of lockdown

Does the studio recording of the album represent the

and that was the best way to rehearse the idea of the sound

sound of your live set?

we wanted for the album.


A: I’d say no, we’re definitely still trying to find a way

A: We’d definitely get some fun lighting in, we’ve talked

to reflect the energy of our live performances onto tape,

about our friend who’s a stage designer getting some stage

that’s also a matter of not having the resources to do it, if

plots into the show

we could we would’ve just recorded all in one take in a studio.

D: We’d have every synth imaginable, some full on church organ shipped around on tour with us, I’d get on a trapeze

D: There was an intention to make it as live as possible

mid show P!NK style and have tunnels underneath the

but as the process went along we just couldn’t achieve

stage

that. I still think we give off the aesthetic of a bunch of people playing their music to you in a room and the

A: In terms of short terms goals we’d talk about changing

environment and space around that.

our stage plot and making it feel more slick but tunnels would be fun.

Last question, if you had unlimited resources what would the ultimate Gut Health stage show look like?





Tooth might just be the best band you haven’t heard yet.

There are songs we want to be totally proud of when we

Consisting of four members - Tom (vocals, guitar), Ben

play them - we put a lot of pressure on ourselves in terms

(guitar), Charlie (bass) and Roy (drums) - the band are

of writing, so that’s what summer’s been up to so far.

yet to release any music, but if you’re lucky you may

We’ve kind of been gigging loads over the past eight or

have caught them making a name for themselves through

ten months so it’s nice to just have a little break from it

gigging around London in the past year. Having only left

and focus on why we’re really doing it in the first place.

education recently, the group are ready to let their music career take its course whilst not rushing the process.

Linking to that, what are you guys working on right now?

I spoke to Ben and Tom in Central London where we found ourselves discussing their live shows, American-

B: In terms of writing and recording, we haven’t made any

rock influences, and how they started to develop their own

concrete decisions on an EP or songs, and I think that’s

sound.

just allowing it to grow really naturally. Making decisions really early on, it just wasn’t helping - being so structured

Who is Tooth?

and not being open minded to where something could go, and I think we’re just learning how to step away a bit and

Tom: Tooth is formed of four of us - there’s me, Ben

let it take its own natural path.

plays guitar, Roy plays drums and Charlie plays bass. We started playing in Roy’s basement practising songs -

T: That’s definitely from experience where we’re trying to

eventually things started taking shape and we started off a

take this more organic approach, it’s really nice and we’re

residency in Soho which lasted about 2 months before we

just letting it happen. We’re looking to record, so once we

got kicked off. We felt that really got us tight and shaped

get some funding we’d like to release our first single.

how we gigged because it was a tiny room. We became friends with loads of people in the scene so we just started

What’s a venue that you guys aspire to play?

gigging with loads of bands that we were mates with and it started taking off from there, really.

T: I really want to play King Tut’s in Glasgow, that’s been a venue that’s been creeping in the back of my mind.

How’s summer been for the band?

Being in London’s quite comfortable because there’s such a demand for it and there’s such a market for it. The

Ben: We’ve had time to write, recuperate and feel more

venues are so helpful and great, so you get wrapped up in

relaxed with where we are. I think the last three months

London and forget about the rest of it.

we’ve started really growing into not being anything but ourselves which has been a really nice feeling for

B: I really want to go to Leeds, so Brudenell Social Club -

everyone, it just gives us more freedom to write. It’s been

it would be a good night out.

a nice writing environment for Tom and I, and it gives the other boys, Roy and Charlie, more space as well to write

You’ve shared before that you take inspiration from

and get involved. It’s been really healthy at the moment.

American rock like Sonic Youth - what draws you to those bands?

T: Definitely this summer we’ve tried to focus on writing and really solidifying what we’ve built so far, and it’s

T: We really connected to American bands a lot in their

really trying to iron out so when we do come back to

lyricism, but they pushed guitar music in a way I don’t

gigging we’re really confident with all the songs in the set

think British bands did.

and how it flows.

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If you look at Oasis, they’re a good band but I don’t think

B: It was nice going on first, I feel like if we were further

they did much for rock music other than create mini Oasis

up the bill it would have been more pressure. We just took

replica bands that just formed and plagued the industry.

it as usual - tried to think of it as any other gig.

American bands were always just more interesting to us, to be honest.

T: Like Ben said, we opened the night and at the end of the gig we looked out and the whole place was full, there

B: They have so much more freedom, Sonic Youth in

were like 200 people there - which for us is crazy.

particular, in their production and songs they write, there’s

I don’t think they were necessarily there to see us, but it

so much more you can do. As musicians trying to find our

was crazy to see because we’ve opened up bills before and

own sound it’s a lot more avenues to go down instead of

had like, three people and a dog in there. It was really nice

just sticking to really generic structured pop songs that

that there was an audience to see new music.

a lot of British bands tend to follow. Not that it’s a bad thing, we do incorporate that as well - you have to to get

I got to listen to a demo of your song, ‘Age Of

songs that really resonate with people - but I think it’s also

Innocence’, what was the backstory behind that song?

having that freedom sonically to experiment a bit more, so we definitely want to take that influence.

T: So that was one of the few ones that I’d written all the way through, because we tend to collaborate on all of our

T: It was definitely the guitar playing in bands like Sonic

songs and that’s been something we’ve embraced much

Youth and Smashing Pumpkins that really drew us to

more and more as time’s gone on. I wrote that when I was

them, it was tones and pedals that we’d never seen with

seventeen - I was finishing school and it felt like a turning

British bands. That’s not dismissing British bands, there

point in my life. It’s a very angsty song, it felt like a

are obviously ones that we adore - like The Stone Roses,

homage to my youth.

they’re one of our favourite bands of all time and we still draw inspiration from them all the time.

B: It was a real turning point in the sound, I think Tom’s lyrics for that song really progressed into moving into a

You recently played your first headline show at The

new kind of songwriting that we’ve definitely tried to take

George Tavern - how was it?

forward for future songs. It felt really genuine lyrically, so it’s just kind of the perfect start for what we’re trying

T: It was great, it was for this promotion company called

to do.

Far From which is run by the singer of Blue Polar called Jake, and a guy called Dan from the band Cardboard who

In your personal opinions, what are some of the best

are good friends of ours. They put us on and it was our

songs ever written?

first ever headline. It was really nice, it was the first time people came to a show to see us, we weren’t really used to

T: Currently my favourite song of all time - because I’ve

that before. It went really well and the crowd responded

really been trying to focus on what I want to say lyrically

well - and it’s The George Tavern, which is our favourite

in our songs - is ‘Subterranean Homesick Blues’ by Bob

venue in the world.

Dylan. It’s literally just two minutes of beat poetry, it’s amazing.

And how was your recent We Are So Young gig at The Social?

B: I think maybe something from The Smiths to be honest. Every time I listen to ‘Still Ill’ my mind is torn. How can a

T: That was our best show we’ve ever done, we were

band sound that good? Their songwriting is so unique, but

very lucky because the sound at The Social is notoriously

everyone is showing off at the same time - it’s so coherent

amazing and it really complimented our songs and we

and Johnny Marr is a genius.

played well - it sounded really good and we were really pleased and chuffed.

T: We’ve kind of twisted and turned in every way to rip off that song and we will forever. That song’s been a big part of our inspiration, everything about it is genius.

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For those in the know, Jake Lenderman has been central

To be a young person in the 2020s is to be

to some of the most exciting releases of the last few years;

hyper-aware of yourself and everything

as the namesake and frontman of MJ Lenderman, the

around you, and Lenderman’s teetering

guitarist of Wednesday, a collaborator of Waxahatchee

between self-deprecation and self-

and Kevin Abstract, and previous drummer for Indigo de

acceptance alongside his particularly niche

Souza, that credit is rightly bestowed. Previously branded

anecdotes are the perfect reflection of that.

with umbrella terms such as alt-country, indie-rock and

‘Manning Fireworks’ will place you firmly

slacker-rock, what is clearer is that Lenderman’s music to

in the shoes of someone in a situation so

date is vulnerable, lovably cynical and pretty captivating.

far from your reality, yet somehow in its specificity it manages to address universal

‘Manning Fireworks’ marks MJ Lenderman’s fourth

experiences, from materialism and

album, and from the stomach-dropping melody of

loneliness to grief and love.

‘Wristwatch’ to the ‘You Are Every Girl to Me’ drum machine reprise that leads you into the blue of ‘You Don’t Know The Shape I’m In’, the record is everything you could want it to be.

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MJ Lenderman


How have you been, what have you been up to

Definitely, having that much time to listen back to stuff

recently?

you’ve made can be dangerous for some people I think, but I actually found it helpful in a way I wasn’t expecting.

I was on vacation in Italy with my family for the

It was nice to let the songs breathe a little bit and come

last week - I’ve been on the road a good bit too.

back to make whatever adjustments were necessary, I try not to be too precious with it, if you get too caught up in

I saw that you’d been on tour for basically the

adjusting then it’ll never be finished.

whole first half of this year! Where have you been?

I guess if you were away so much doing something other than music that could take you out of it, but you

Well Wednesday’s been to Europe twice since

were away playing so many shows, did that bleed into

last April and we’re about to go back in August.

it at all?

Both bands I play in went to Australia and Japan, and then Wednesday did a week in New Zealand

Possibly! Most of that tour was with Wednesday so I was

before that too which was really cool.

playing a lot of guitar. I think I maybe even became a better guitarist over that time.

Oh wow! Were you finishing the record during that run?

When you were able to come back to ‘Manning Fireworks’, were you able to try anything new or

I finished the record before that run - I think the

experiment at all?

last session I did was in December. On a couple songs we focused a lot more on acoustic You hear stories of people being in a bubble of

based instruments, I brought my friend Landon in to play

time where they can sit and record a project in

the upright bass and the fiddle on a few songs, it was

one go, do you think the album was impacted

really fun for me to have that come in. My friend Shane

by you going away and coming back to it so

played clarinet too, I didn’t really have any idea of what

much in between touring?

I was gonna do on those songs, so it was fun to build that together.

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Do you collaborate with those friends a lot?

That’s interesting, I don’t know, I didn’t really realise how much I used that! First of all, I guess I just like the sound

Well those two in particular were interesting actually

of the word, it’s a nice force, and it looks nice on grass.

because I hadn’t really before, Landon has joined the band since then too. With Shane, I just ran into him the day

Well, I don’t really know much about the different

before at the studio and he was holding a clarinet, so I told

States, but is it quite green where you live?

him to come join me. Yeah! Asheville – where I spent most of my life up until a It’s underused! It’s an under-appreciated instrument I

couple of months ago – is in the Appalachian Mountains.

think…

They’re old mountains so they’re way smaller than the ones on the West coast. It draws a lot of people there when

It has a really cool texture, I really love how it sounds.

the leaves are changing but this time of year it’s very green.

What would you say were the major struggles in the making of the album?

I wonder then, maybe it’s not a conscious thing! Maybe it’s in your language so much because you’ve been in

Mostly the downsides of having to split it up so much, and

nature more than most people.

just a lot of life changes happening throughout the whole thing. I was feeling a lot of doubt. I wasn’t really sure if

I guess if you’re in the city you have to choose to go see

anything I was doing was any good, and I wasn’t even

grass, where I was living there was a big field in front of

totally sure of what I was doing, especially in the first half

the house, I’ve never been a huge nature person but I did

of trying to make it.

like to be able to sit on my porch and see it.

I can imagine there must have been a lot of pressure.

The other words I wrote down were ‘birds’ and ‘ghosts’.

I had to try and recognise whatever pressure I felt and learn how to not care about it so much.

There’s something similar about the three of those…

Was there anything in particular that helped with that?

There is definitely a through line - where did you tend to pull from when you were writing ‘Manning

I think just time? That’s the weird thing about the pros and

Fireworks’?

cons of having the album take such a long time, by the end of the recording I felt a lot better about it and I had

I usually keep random notes down but I was kind of out

mentally gone through a bunch of different phases.

of practice in writing, in the past I’d try to make myself write everyday, whatever came, even if it was bad! I guess

I was also relistening to a lot of your projects this

it got harder for me to interact with my own bullshit if that

week and I noticed you use ‘the wind’ quite a lot. The

makes sense? But I’d have random notes written down and

opening line of the record is “birds against a heavy

would build the songs off of that.

wind, that wins in the end”, your band is called MJ Lenderman and The Wind, it’s also personified in

By interacting with your own bullshit, do you mean,

your lyrics quite a lot - what is it about ‘the wind’ that

rereading your notes?

makes it a good vehicle for you?

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MJ Lenderman


Yeah, like having to write and then come back and remember that you wrote something embarrassing the day before. Even though no one else has to see it. That’s a big hurdle to get over and I’ve been able to do it in the past, but sometimes it’s exhausting! I guess in more than just writing, interacting with your own bullshit is a lot to deal with. I was reading some past interviews where you had said that you felt like you were still learning how to write a song, do you feel like you’ve learnt anything since then? No I don’t think so! I think it’s just starting over every time. I feel confident about the form of a song, what it can be, what feels good to me. That’s maybe something that’s easier to learn, but as far as staying inspired, collecting ideas and keeping that organised, that’s something I’m still trying to figure out. I mean, it’s not like the method so far hasn’t worked, so arguably this could just be the way that you do it? That’s a good point! Like with anything though, I couldn’t come up with a set of steps to write a song, I think that’s what I mean. Every song starts from nothing, and every song is different, so you have to relearn how to do it every time. That’s sort of a theory in itself… you guys are coming to the UK this year, have you done an MJ show here before? No but I played one show in Dublin. Wednesday was on tour there and our opening band got sick so I opened the show, I had members of Wednesday be my band. So that happened but it wasn’t planned. That’s fun! How did you find being in Dublin? Dublin was one of my favourite shows of all time. They love music over there - very cool. They’re a lot more fun than us… They’re a lot more fun than most.

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