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-IDrltarnprVol. XVI No. 8

SanMarcos, California

Tuesday, November 19, 1963

Generales Lecture Hits Morals of War

By PATII NYSTROM

Dr. Minos Generales , Professor of Political Science at San Diego State, spoke to the associated students of Palomar College today in the second lecture of the Humanities series. The topic for the series is "Can We Survive in a Warless World?"

Dean Bergman addressed the students first, and gave some of the background information on Dr. Generales and his speech.

He then introduced the Professor.

In opening, Dr. Generales spoke of a pamphlet entitled .

"Goals for · Americans" that discusses the aims of the American people. "Imperatives of Peace, the Urgent Need for It," was Dr. Generales general subject. He spoke of History as being taught as a succession of wars. He stated that the heroic side of war is not as glorious as it may seem. The other side of war is ugly, futile, and desolate.

WAR NOT JUSTIFIED

PJC cheerleaders, Sue Kaiser, Mary Nystrom, lead rousing yells to boost Redmond, Rod Jones, and Patti spirits for the Homecoming game. photo by Esther Whitt

36 Schools In Novice Speech Test The annual Palomar College Novice Speech Tournament, with 36 high schools attending, will be held this Friday and Saturday, Nov. 22 and 23 with an estimated 450 students attending.

Director of events for the tournament are Nick Kremer, Pat Ford, Cheryl Plank, Leo Burns, Barbara Bartz, George Parker and Becky Baker. Director of the tournament itself will be Mr. Tabor, Director of Forensics.

The following schools have entered: Helix, Chula Vista, Mt. Miguel, Granite Hills, Grossmont, Sweetwater, Holtville Union, Hilltop, Mar Vista, ArmyNavy Academy, Vista, Escondido , Oceanside , El Cajon, Monte Vista, San Marcos, Poway, S.D. Military Academy, El Capitan, Central Union, Pt. Lorna, Mission Bay, Kearny, Academy of Our Lady of Peace, Clairemont, Hoover, Crawford, San Dieguito, Madison, Calipatria , Fallbrook, Orange Glen, Academy of the Little Flower, Brawley, and Castle Park.

Christmas Formal Set Dec. 31 At Ocean House Palomar's Cnristmas Formal will be held December 21st at the Ocean House in Mission Bay, according to Vicki Saunders , AWS president.

The announcement concerning th.e dance was made at the last ASB meeting. Vice President, Daryl Attig, stated that the Inter-Club Council had considered canceling the Christmas formal in favor of some other holiday activity as the response for this dance had been small in the last two or three years.

But council pointed out that the attendance for the Christmas formal had always been greater than that at the Spring formal.

AMW-AWS SPONSORED

Authority for the Christmas dance was delegated to the AMS and A WS presidents and their committee. A condition .s tipulated by council was that all major plans must be brought before council before the decisions are to be definite.

The Ocean House was one of seven suggested places for the event and was selected for its cost, its location, and its availability. A fifty dollar deposit

COLLECT TROPHIES

Debate And Speech Teams Score Tournament Wins In other tournaments attended by the Palomar speech and debate teams, Cheryl Plank won a superior and an excellent award in two different categories at the El Camino Junior College Speech Tournament held Nov. 1 and 2.

EXCELLENT AWARD

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Pat Ford won ah Excellent award in lower division men's interpretation. Nick Kremer won a Superior award in lower division men's oratory. Kremer and Randy Young won an Excellent award in lower division debate. Bartz al;o competed in interpretation and oratory.

Basis of the awards gives a Superior rating to the top 10%

was required and was allotted by council.

A Christmas hoot will be held Friday, December 13th, according to Terry Schwaner, AMS president. The hoot will feature all Christmas songs and themes.

It is possible that some special group will be asked to attend, such as an elderly people's group or an orphans' group.

PETITIONS FILED

Petitions have been filed with the ASB activities office for all posts open on the freshmen , sophomore , and A WS councils.

However, as no petitions were filed for the vacant AMS offices, these will be filled by appointment.

Gary Smith was approved by council to fill a vacancy on the Judicial Committee left when one of its members resigned.

VOTING TOTALED

Hie Thompson reported the totals for the homecoming voting. As a result of Wednesday's voting, Linda Opie, Margaret McLeod, Ginnie Dallas, June Tsutsumi, and Carol Howell were chosen as the five finalists, in that order.

Friday's voting gave the throne to Margaret McLeod of Escondido. The other girls composed her Court for the homecomin? game and da nce.

FRIDAY

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SAN DIEGO STATE RESULTS

Nick Kremer won a Certificate of Excellence in impromptu speaking at the Speech Tournament held at San Diego State College Oct. 18-19. Other students participating were Pat Ford , also returning from last year's squad; Barbara Bartz, Leo Burns, Dede Salmon, Cheryl Plank, and Jerry Riley all new members.

Speech activities are held in conjunction with regular classes in Speech 13, Workshop. Students are concurrently enrolled in one other speech course.

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"So long as wars are justified . . . you might argue in their favor and say 'let's fight'," he stated. "But," he added, "no war is really justified." Dr. Generales gave a quotation from Julian Huxley that said, in part, that war must be about something and must have a goal. There also must be a rightness of a cause. "The causes of war are unlimited" reported t he Professor.

He said that people usually state that they are fighting to defend themselves. "Why seek conquests?" he asked. There are usually a combination of causes, but it is usually a wish for personal gain and glory rather than a patriotic reason.

Dr. Generales cited examples of various wars fought for religious causes and their motives.

These run from the time of Mohammed , through the Crusades, and up to the present. He stated that Nationalism was a basic motivation for many of the wars. "Causes of war now still remain reasons of state" he said. The idea is to make things safe for the monarch, in many cases.

MORAL ISSUE CITED

"The League of Nations was created to prevent war. Dr. Generales told how all the plans to deep peace were futile because the countries reached no tangible results in their dealings. "They cannot agree on the definition of who might be an agressor" he stated. Their main goal was to outlaw war. But, mentioned the Professor , "Their basic objectives nevertheless were conquests."

"Destructive as the wars were, they were still tolerable . .. in terms of survival" states Dr. Qenerales in bringing forth

his main point. Dominance of the world was made possible by the invention of many new articles of war. He said that the Second World War was often referred to as the "War of the Laboratories". It seemed that the countries tried to see who could kill the most people in their enemy countries. "They mistakenly believed that disarmament was synomous with peace" pointed out Dr. Generales. He continued, "Disarmament may eliminate arms, but it does not eliminate conflict."

COMPLEXITIES OF WAR

About our present-day situation, he stated, "It has been called a cold war or a hot peace.

Man won't use a weapon, but he has all kinds of theories about how it should be used." He explained that terms of warfare today are very complex, and cannot be defined by a dictionary.

He noted the two major issues today as "Communism versus Democracy". "You cannot fight t hem out" he said.

"Man is a shrewd animal" he commented. He went on to say that man is reaching a point where he is less inclined and too sophisticated to accept the plan that there are "bad guys" and "good guys", and that we are always the "good guys". The Professor thinks that it is "the faults in man, not the goodness in man, that might save him."

He further commented that peace cannot be enforced without fighting.

MAN BASICALLY SELFISH

"The price of world Government and peace is justice", he stated. He went on to say that "the realistic of the world must be served." He thinks that man is basically selfish, and wants to know what is in it for him.

"What is the realistic?" he asks: He then goes on to answer his own question by stating that the three main powers today are the United States, Russia, and Red China. None of them can be "wished out of the picture" he ascertained. Thus, they must all learn to live together.

The place of these three powers has been known as "the balance of terror" Dr. Generales said. But, he continued, it is better than "terror without blance. " Dr. Generales left the podium to a spontaneous round of applause from the audience.

SALE OF BONDS

New Buildings Hoped For Through Financial Program Dr. Dunn met with the ASB council to discuss the long range financial planning pro- · gram which the council hopes to initiate on Palomar's campus.

In a public tax-supported institution, he pointed out, it is "difficult to convince people that their hard earned tax money should go into such things" as swimming pools and football stadiums. For this reason the Palomar College Development Foundation was set up three years ago.

TAX FREE GROUP

8:00 to 8:25 This is a tax free organiza8:30 to 8:55 tion set up with the approval 9:00 to 9:25 of the California Association of 9:30 to 9:55 Junior Colleges. According to 10:00 to 10:25 Dr. Dunn, "It is one method 10:30 to 10:55• by which we hope to get some 11:00 to 11:25 additional buildings on our 11:30 to 11:55 campus. that we cannot get through regular tax election procedures."

As to what p'h rt the student:; could play in this expansion·; Dr. Dunn said any expansion will require the efforts of many .different groups combined. Students might be able to help finarice this by the sale of revenue bonds. These bonds are paid for out of revenue from the resulting project.

Dunn stated, "I think that the approach is going to have to be a gradual one."

AUDITORIUM NEEDED

When asked if the auditorium would be included in this type of program, he stated that the administration feels this is justifiable under a tax election program, as an auditorium is a necessity to any college in· stitution.

Dr. Dunn also announced that tuition will be charged to all out of state students beginning with the fall semester of next year.

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College Librarian Elected State Post Mrs. Esther W. Nesbin, librarian at Palomar College, was elected as Secretary of the California Library Association Junior College Librarians Round Table. Her term will run from Jan. 1 to Dec. 31, 1964.

Mrs. Nesbin bought the first book for the college library. She came in January 1947, when the college was housed in the Vista Recreation Center, to a temporary building on the San Marcos Campus, and finally to its permanent location.

CALLED AS CONSULTANT

She was called to act as a consultant in the re-organization of the libraries at Palo Verde Col- succulents. Her hobby of lege in Blythe, and the Monterey flower arranging is much in Peninsular College in Monterey. evidence as she decorates Mrs. Nesbin is a graduate of the library with her creations the University of Buffalo, N.Y., of art. with post-graduate work at San Her membership in organizaDiego State College, and Unitions includes American Liversity of California. Before coming to California, she brary Association, California worked at Grosvenor Reference Library Assn., School Library Library Science at the Uni- Assn., California Teachers Assn., Cactus and Succulent versity of Buffalo.

Society of America, Palomar HAS MANY HOBBIES Cactus and Succulent Society, Hobbies of Mrs. Nesbin in- Vice-President, Quail Gardens clude studying riative wild Foundation , and The Wilderflowers , native shrubs and ness Society. plants, and growing cactus and

SAN DIEGUITO DISTRICT

Board Will DisCLISS SD-PC District Merger The feasibility of merging San Dieguito Union High School District with Palomar College District will be discussed November 26 by the board of governors from Palomar and the trustees of San Dieguito.

The Palomar board invited 1 the San Dieguito trustees, by to the joint session at the college. Meeting in Encinitas at the same time, the high school board passed a similar action setting up the November 26 discussion.

TUITION COST RISING

The college administration said that 472 students presently are enrolled from the San Dieguito district. The figure is expected to readh 700 in five years, based on the rate of increase in recent years.

The board pointed out that the tuition cost of junior col-

lege education to tax payers in the San Diegui1o district is increasing annually. The county junior college tax now levied on the San Dieguito district for this tuition jumped to 31.1 cents this year from 6.5 cents a year路ago. Total cost to that district for its students attending Palomar College reached $254,250 for the 1963-4 year.

MERGER BENEFICIAL

Such a merger, college trustees said, would give San Dieguito residents advantages they do not now have, including direct participation in Palomar College operations and administration through elected representation on the governing board. The San Dieguito district a few years ago voted on joining the Oceanside-Carlsbad Junior College district but the proposition was defeated.

Political Clubs Attempt To Gain Ca_ mpus Foothold "A person who doesn't vote is bad enough, but a person who votes blindly, not knowing which candidate is better qualified for the job, is just as bad," stated Jack Powell President of the Young Democrats.

The whole purpose of the Young _Democrats and Young Republicans is to help develop the goals and ideas of each party, in hopes that it will make our members better people, and consequently better qualified voters, continued Powell.

STANDARDS CLARIFIED

The Young Democrat and Young Republican Clubs are political service organizations.

They are run like any normal campus club. The only qualifications are, that you are a student at Palomar and between the ages of 16 and 35.

Powell explained that the clubs are trying to present a true picture of their parties, candidates, history, and doctrines. "We hope that by joining either club the student will satisfy his personal political feelings," added Powell.

CONSTITUTIONS PLANNED

Since both clubs are new on campus, they are in great need of members. Powell clarified that by joining either of the clubs you are not obligated in any way to vote for the party of the club in which you joined. Of course; the Young Democr-a ts hope you will go out and vote Democratic and the Young Republicans hope you-will vote

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Republican.

Tpe Young Republicans are now in the process of workingl on their constitution, and getting the olub prepared so they can organize and continue on from there. Since elections are drawing near, the Young Republicans are working to elect Utt, and the Young Democrates to reelect Kennedy or other candidates who may run for the Democratic Party.

TO JOIN STATE GROUP

"The Young Democrats will soon belong to The State Federation of Young Democrats of California," explained Powell.

"As soon as we become charter members, we are eligible to send delegates to the County Convention. From there, if our members are selected, they will go to the State, District and National Conventions. " "These conventions are just like a regular party convention.

Here the California Democratic Council will present candidates for districts, and then the convention will select candidates for congressional districts," Powell said.

ACTIVITIES P-LANNED

The YD's are now trying to plan a debate with the Young Republicans, but as of yet no specific topic has been selected.

This debate will be open for all interested students to watch and both groups hope that many people will come and take an active interest in the politics of our government.

FRANK ORLANDO SAYS

Mid Term Exams - Or Maybe Suicide FRANK ORLANDO SAYS

I like mid-term exams. They kinda make you think - think about committing hari-kari with a broken coke bottle, think about quitting school and joining the Marines, think over the possibilities of mass murder to help your grade if it's based on the "curve. " I'm not implying t hat these exams are rough, but I've heard a few students comment that they would rather listen to the Champagne music of Lawrence Welk for 48 hours than go through this academic inquisition more than twice a semester.

Of course not every student has a great deal of d ifficulty in 'wading through this scholastic surf every half semester. Some students with strict application, and faithful devotion have found that the time-tested method of cheating helps them.

These students, however, are professionals in their craft.

The ordinary student who attempts to partake in the art of paper peeking has too many strikes against him, such as conscience, tell-tale head bobbing, and nerves, which makes their efforts as subtle as a .

General Sherman tank.

These are of course those students who insist on doing things the hard (honest) way, by studying for the mid-term exams.

They are easily recognizable by their blue badge of courage from faulty fountain pens, their dialated pupils from too much No-Doz, and their general "four

Myth Mentor Starts New Spring Class

o'clock sag" appearance at nine in the morning. There are, of course, the other part of this group, whom I shall name the "lnsuffera bles."

The "lnsufferables" are that group that always has to ask the stimulating questions in class, the ones that constantly disturb the class lectures with their endless note taking. They are the group that have picked up some crazy idea that college is a place of higher education, when everyone else knows that a college is where you get an education on how to get high.

The "lnsufferables" are not to be confused with another group that I will refer to as the "espresso-nauts." This group has its own 60 word language that you will not decipher unless you study them in their capital on San Francisco's North Beach. (They think everyone's insufferable.) They view mid-term exams as just another trial that they must endure in

the most uncool of all possible worlds.

Another interesting group I choose to name the "Incomprehensibles." Their particular view of mid-terms is rather hazy, but then so are their thoughts on everything outside of a football cheering section.

They look forward to mid-terms -as a sort of contest to see who can achieve (?) the lowest grade.

And although they might have difficulty spelling it, they have lots of school spirit. (This excuses a lot.) To these students belong the motto, "We who are about to fail, salute you."

Of course there are other groups of students that are confronted with the collegiate catastrophy known as a midterm, but the above mentioned are the most interesting to me.

What group do I fit in? I can't tell you, that would be to the "great white father" who speaks words of wisdom to me five days a week and asks that I do the same twice a semester.

The Teuscope is the official -publication of tbe Associated Students of Palomar College, San Marcos, California. Telephones: 744-1150 (Escondido area) and 727-7529 (Vista area). The paper is produced by students and published Mondays during the school year.

Opinions expressed in this ne~spaper reflect those of the writers and not necessarily those of the college or of its students. Letters to the editor are welcome; however the editors reserve the right to cut letters to suit space. All letters of this nature must be signed.

Tom Gable ........................_Editor-in-Chief La Rue Pfeiffer ...................... Managing Editor Diane Lichtenberger ................ , ..... News Editor Charles Hoadley ....................... Sports Editor Tony Atkinson, Glen Bailey, Teri Fowler, Kathy Hedicke, Frank Orlando, Tom Saxe, Esther- Whitt, Joy Corzine, Kathryn McElhiney, Gordon Sheppard ... Editorial Staff

TRAFFIC REGULATIONS

5. Suspension or expulsion of the student from College because of violatiOI.l of rules of the College.

Miss Carmen A. Casis, English instructor has added a new class to the curriculum of Palomar College. The class, Classical Mythology, will cover the myths that for nearly 2700 years have influenced and embellished the literature, art and even the daily speech of the civilized world.

"By Classical Mythology," Miss Casis explained, "I mean the myths that were present in the Greaco-Roman world." Miss Casis made it plain that the class will concern itself with the cultural rather than the religious aspects in the studying of mythology.

1. All driving of motor vehicles on Palomar College campus shall be conducted in a manner which insures the safety of drivers , passengers, pedestrians, and others, and which prevents damage to college property.

2. The speed limit on campus is 20 miles per hour, except that in parking areas and other congested areas, the limit is 15 miles per hour.

3. No vehicular traffic, except that of emergency vehicles and college service vehciles, shall be allowed on sidewalks, lawns, playing fields and undeveloped areas.

"MYTHS ARE KEY" 4. Parking is not permitted in She summed up the average areas marked "No Parking", high school graduate's knowlwhere curbs are painted red, edge of mythology in two words, where the normal movement "very poor". "Allusions to them, of vehicles would be ham(myths) appear constantly in pered, or where dirveways advertising copy within newsor walkways will be blocked. papers and magazines, and on the air. A knowledge of these 5. The pedestrian shall have the right-of-way over vehicumyths, like a knowledge of the lar traffic, except that the Bible, is a mark of an educated pedestrian shall give due person and a key to understandconsideration to traffic flow. ing many aspects of the world of ideas and the culture of our so6. Bicycles are not permitted ciety," she stated. on sidewalks on days in which Classical Mythology will be the College is in session beheld Monday, Wednesday, and tween the hours of 7:45 a.m.

Friday at 10 a.m. Starting this and 4:00 p.m. , and between Spring Semester, there will be the hours of 6:45 p.m. and no prerequisite for enrollment.

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This being the first time a 7. Vehicles of any type which mythology class has been held create objectionable noise at Palomar, Miss Casis emphaare prohibited from the camsized that the class will be pus. " highly experimental."

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Parking in areas marked in "A RARE OPPORTUNITY" green color shall be limited Dean of Instruction, Virgil to ten (10) minutes.

Bergman said that "I would like Violations of these regulations to take this course myself." Of Miss Casis, he commented, may be met with any one or more ofthe following measures: " She's a real scholar in the field and it is a rare opportunity 1. Reprimand by the Dean of路 Student Personnel. that students should take ad vantage of."

2. Exclusion of a vehicle from Robert S. Mikkelsen, head of the campus for a limited time. the English Department, stated 3. Exclusion of a vehicle from that the mythology class the campus for an unlimited will be a rich one and concern time the general education student _ 路 as well as the English major, 路 . 4. Notice to appear in Municipal because of the wide useage of Court for violation of California Vehicle -Code Section mythology in our everyday environment.

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Jndividual Attention

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Stressed At Palomar "In my opinion students can recieve as good or better an education at Palomar as they could achieve at ¡ the lower division level of any University," stated Mr. Charles A. Coutts, Division Chairman, Business, Science, and Technology. This is due to the individual, personal contact that can be made between the student and instructor, continued Mr. Coutts.

In a Junior College the faculties main objective is to teach. The Junior College instructor has the time to take interest in the individual student.

This is not always true in the four year college as often much time is devoted to research.

Another significan! factor favoring the Junior -----------------------------------------------------

College themoney return receives foristhe he one invests.

This is easily one of the greatest bargains in the history of advanced education. For this reason, the Junior College is a good testing ground. The student may change his field of interest without making to great a financial investment.

COLLEGE LIMITS

The Junior College is limited by the facilities it can afford.

Many courses are limited now by the number of students that the classrooms and labs can handle. Another factor is, can a Junior College obtain. the necessary agents to offer up to date instruction in todays fast moving, technological world?

To keep abreast of these changes, the enlightened administration at Palomar allows instructors to attend conventions frt their field. These conventions are conducted by the Federal Government, Industry, and the Universities so that new developments may be made known. Other means of keeping abreast of educational changes include such as the NDEA. Palomar is _among the colleges who most often take advantage of this program.

INSTRUMENTS ADDED

Chemistry, as well as other sciences, is becoming more instrumentated. Under the NDEA, the Science Department can receive federal funds for the purchases of new instruments.

At the present time the Chemistry Department has removed the old swing type balance and replaced it with the new Metlar Electric Balances. One of these balances can accomodate 15 students in the time it would take to make one weighing on the old swing balance. Spectrographic Equipment has also been added to the Chemistry D~partment. These machines determine the composition of substances through the use of light waves and are rapidly becoming the main means of doing analytical work in industry.

Engine trouble, and not a service station in sight It was such a tiny speck on the ocean that our tanker almost missed it!

In the last three years three Analog Computors have been added to the Physics Department and it is hoped that a Digital Computer can be arlded soon. When this computer is added it will be used by the Business Department as well as the Physics Department.

ClASSES MODIFIED

Far out in the Sulu Sea, beyond the direct ship lanes, the little Ermedita ran into trouble: a shattered crankshaft. The captain and some of the crewmen left in small boats for help- but help never came.

Seven. days had gone by. There was no radio, just a white flag fluttering from the mast. Not a ship had passed. Supplies were running low. And hope, too.

Aboard our tanker, outbound to Sumatra, a lookout thought he saw a flash of white on the far horizon.

The captain altered his course to investigate.

They found seven shocked, tired men, took them aboard, gave them medical care, and towed their stricken vessel to the' Philippines, saving their means of livelihood.

It's only one of many times our tanker men have made friends for our Company by giving aid at sea.

On land, Standard men and women seek to make equally good friends for our Company-by the character of our public services, the integrity of our products, and our behavior as a citizen.

STANDARD OIL COMPANY OF CALIFORNIA

The beginning chemistry classes will be directed more toward the new scientific methods. The new Science Building, upon which construction will start in February or March, will add greatly to the scientific facilities already on campus.

Included in this structure are: a new Life Science wing, a Geology wing, a Chemistry wing, and a Planetarium and two Observatories.

The Planetarium will be u: nique in this area. It will allow photographs of the sky to be projected on the ceiling. This will offer 100 people the op. portunity to observe the movement of stars as seen from any part of the earth at any time.

These facilities will open to the public and to school children of the outlying districts.

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Tuesday,November19,1963

Cagers Take Over After Grid Finale

Palomar Gridders Close Season With 26-20 Win

PALOMAR BASKETBALL

By VINCE STREANO

Hoping to equal last year's record of 23 wins and only six losses, the Palomar Comet basketball team swings into action November 29 against rugged Orange Coast College in the local gym.

Last year the Comet cagers won the conference championship and went to the state finals, where they were defeated by San Francisco City College 74-67 and Hancock 64-62. They ended their season ranked seventh in the nation.

Head coach, Joe Brennan, will have many problems shaping this year's team as he has only four returning lettermen to use as a nucleus for his plans.

The veterans are Ron Graf, J. B. Hollis, Larry Nielsen, and Harold Rosewall.

GREEN TEAM

"We will have a green team this year, and it will be shorter than last year' s club," said r Brennan, "but I think once we get together, we will have a well balanced outfit."

Both the first and second strings of last year's team left because of graduation, or tram;ferred to another college.

John Fairchild and John Stanley, two of last year's stars, are attending Brigham Young University this year.

Ted Repa, Ed Vitale, and Mike Walters, the other three starters for last year's club, are now at Stanford, Nevada and Cal-Poly respectively.

THREE POSITIONS SET

Three of the starting positions for this year's team have been decided, and the other two posts have been narrowed down to two candidates each.

Starting at forward will be Tom Van Zandt. In the center spot will be Fred Boyer, while Bob Cren3haw will be playing one of the guard positions.

The other forward position _ is between Blair Smith and Jim Gray, while Harold Rosewall and J. B. Hollis are com- . peting for the remaining guard spot.

In the height department the Comets aren't doing too bad, as Boyer is 6'7" while Gray measures 6'6" and Smith 6'4".

The overall team average will probably be around 6'3".

The schedule is even for the Comets as far as conference games go, with five being played on the home court, and five at the visitors'.

PALOMAR TOURNAMENT

The Comets' 5th Annual Palomar Invitational Tournament will start on December 5th and run through the 8th. Teams participating are Riverside City College, San Diego City College, Fullerton College, Coalinga College, OceansideCarlsbad College, and Palomar College.

Palomar will play its first tournament game against Riverside City, on December 5th starting at 7:00p.m.

Rick Rosenthal, ace Palomar quarterback from Vista High, darts around right end before being driven out of bounds by an opposing player. Rosenthal was an important cog in the Comets' attack all season long.

Coach Chris Pagakis and his Palomar College football team closed a successful grid year last Saturday night by handing Imperial Valley a 26-20 loss at Brawley.

The win was a revengeful one for Pagakis and assistants Cecil McGeehee and Bob Bowman, as it was Imperial Valley who knocked the Comets from the unbeaten ranks last year with an 8-6 win over Palomar at Escondido.

Palomar which finished 5-4 for the year, led the Arabs 20-0 at half-time but had to hold off a desperate rally by the defending South Central champions.

The Comets opened their 1963 schedule by defeating a game Ventura College eleven 20-14 at Vista High. Wayne Layton turned in one of his best performances for Palomar as a running back in the opener.

The Ventura win gained added merit later in the season when the Pirates upset Los Angeles City College 15-14.

Pagakis' team racked up win number two a week later by ripping winless College of the Desert 54-7 at Fallbrook High.

Rick Rosenthal and Wayne Bell had big nights for the locals.

HARBOR RACKS PALOMAR

Courageous Comet Gridders Lose To 0-C In FinQI Period Every now and then, an athletic team reaches its hour of glory in defeat. Such was the case on November 9 when the underdog Palomar College football team scared the living daylights out of undefeated Oceanside-Carlsbad College before losing 6-0 in final minutes of an even contest played before 5,000 fans.

COURAGEOUS SHOWING

Coach Chris Pagakis' courageous aggregation gave it all they had on the dimly lit Vista High gridiron but the poised Oceanside-Carlsbad defense just wouldn't allow Palomar a score. With the game very much in doubt midway in the fourth quarter, the heavily favored Spartans drove to the Palomar ten yard stripe. On a fourth down play, burley George Mills rambled ten yards to score for the victors and Palomar was forced to give up the ball on the ensuing series of downs. Oceanside-Carlsbad controlled the ball the final six minutes of the tilt.

CLIBOURNE RECOVERS FUMBLE

Palomar repulsed several lengthy Spartans drives in the first half with some stout defensive play. Big Frank Clibourne, an all CIF tackle at Escondido High, recovered an Oceanside-Carlsbad fumble on the Comet seven early in the game, to commence a tremendous defensive showing by the

locals.

Stars for the losers against their traditional rivals were Pete Schouten, Bill Jenkins, Vince Rizzo, Jerry Shelton, and Clibourne as well as the whole Comet team. Although the game was lost, Pagakis and assistants Cecil McGeehee and Bob Bowman gained the respect and admiration of the whole Palomar student body for their excellent preparation of the Palomar t'eam for the big game.

Score by Quarters: Oceanside 0 0 0 6 0 0 0 0 Palomar

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Pagakis In Search Of Wrestling Talent Any student interested in becoming a member of the wrestling squad may do so by contacting Coach Chris Pagakis.

Competition in ten classes ranging from 115 lb. to heavyweight will be held.

The wrestling season opened Monday, November 18. The wrestling team will travel to three large college tournaments held at UCLA, Cal Poly at San Luis Obispo, and Imperial Valley at El Centro.

Coach Pagakis is looking for boys to compete in all weight classes, especially the small weight classes. No previous experience is necessary.

Powerful Los Angeles Harbor College handed Palomar its first loss by smashing the Comets 32-7 at Escondido's Memorial Field. The lethal Seahawks dominated the game with a huge line and a pair of outstanding quarterbacks. _ The Long Beach State JayVee upset Palomar 14-9 the following week at San Dieguito High.

The loss was a particularly heartbreaking loss for the red and gray as the Comets had the winning touchdown called back on a penalty.

SANTA BARBARA ROLLS

A 20-6 win over Antelope

Brennan Letters Ten Comet Runners Palomar College concluded a winless Cross Country season November 8 by losing a 15-44 decision to powerful Grossmont College on the local course.

The Comet harriers, 0-8 for the 1963 campaign, were often overmatched which accounted for the poor showing. Coach Joe Brennan lettered ten members of his team following the final meet.

Those receiving letters were Sam Villa, Tom VanZandt, Fred Boyer, Gary Anderson, Bill Donahue, Ron Graf, Pierre Phillips, Tom Saxe, Randy Borchardt and Tony Grumbrell.

Grumbrell, Villa, Graf and Van Zandt shared the top spot after Palomar's number one runner, Eddie Mathews, departed early in the season.

NovemberS ClassAA

Escondido 32, Castle Park 0 Class A

Poway 35, Army-Navy 6 San Marcos 19, Carlsbad Orange Glen 20, Ramona University 19, Vista 7 San Dieguito 20, Chula Vista Oceanside 26, Fallbrook

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November 15 ClassAA

Escondido 7, Hilltop 0 Class A

San Dieguito 33, Fallbrook San Marcos 28, Ramona 7 Oceanside 31, Vista 0 .Poway 40, Orange Glen 6

Darrell Witt (60), Steve Kahler (10), and Frank Clibourne (72) all get into the picture as Ricci McDonnell

smashes an enemy ball carrier to the turf during recently completed grid season.

Valley at Lancaster set Palomar _up for a showdown with well regarded Santa Barbara City College but the host Vaqueros handed Pagakis' men a 36-8 waxing behind the running of Steve Collins.

In the next game, Bill Jenkins, Bell and Rosenthal accounted for 32 points as the Comets rebounded to rout the San Fernando State JayVee 42-18 at Vista.

Palomar played its best game of the season against undefeated Oceanside-Carlsbad in the eight game but lost 6-0 in the fourth quarter. The fired up Comets gave the champion Spartans plenty of trouble but had their record leveled at 4-4 with the Imperial Valley game remaining on the slate.

Problems Posed

By New Conference

By Glen Bailey

The administrative decision to switch the Comet's athletic competition to the powerful , newly formed Pacific Southwest Conference looms as one of the most controversial topics ever to hit the Palomar Athletic Department.

"Competition will be rough at first," commented department head Ward Meyers. "Th-is is especially true of football, " he said, "because this sport relies so much on depth and personnel." Meyers says that Palomar will "definitely be able to compete" in basketball and baseball since in these sports fewer men are required to build a good team and "the other teams cannot hurt you physically." He felt the new league would do much to help generate enthusiasm and school spirit.

On the other hand, assistant football coaches Bob Bowman and "Cece" McGehee are steadfastly opposed to the new league. "I hate to even think about it," stormed Bowman.

"We won't be able to compete unless we acquire more players with outstanding ability." Bow- ¡ man and McGehee, ho,wever, are devoted football men and this rugged sport is their sole interest. They have a right to be concerned though, for Southwestern, Grossmont, Kearney Mesa and San Diego City College are bound to offer stiff competition.

"We want and need this competition," countered head gridiron coach Chris Pagakis, "for against good teams we will be able to build a tradition, a winning tradition which will make our fans proud and lure prospective athletics to Palomar. " He felt that the Pacific Southwest Conference was just what Palomar needed to stimulate interest.

The only disadvantage that haunts Pagakis is the problem of where to host teams when they travel to Palomar. "We don't have to worry when we travel," he said, "for these are new schools and equipped with stadiums. It is embarrassing though, when a 15 year old school has to entertain a visiting team on a dimly-lighted high school field."

Dr. John Dunn, Palomar College President, while lauding the advantages of the new league, also realizes the pressing need for a stadium. "At the time," he said, "all possible plans for a stadium are dependent upon support." The president explained that the board was presently considering a stadium built through the efforts of the student body.

Under this plan the costs of construction would be repaid from gate receipts. "Here again though," he said, "attendance is a dominant factor."

He added that Bakersfield Junior College had erected a stadium under a similar' system .

"However," he stated, "they pack the stands at every game."