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(Hand typed - I couldn't figure out how to get Photobucket to upload a pdf. Glass Half) Via Jim Skelton: OFFICIAL STATEMENT from Chris Becker & Eyal Lalo regarding Speedway issues The official statement from both Dubois-Depraz and Invicta.
To whom it may concern: A recent incident involving Invicta watches containing Dubois-Depraz movements has caused considerable reaction. Both Invicta and DD wish to clarify the situation once and for all. After a great deal of research and discussions these last two weeks, we have determined the following: 1) The DD movements contained in the Invicta Speedway models are genuine DD products. The movements were obtained legitimately. 2) There is no original manufacturing defect in the movements or modules. 3) The problems appear to have been caused on certain models where the dial placement over the movement was too low. Also, we found some models not having proper hand tolerances. Neither the dials nor the hands were manufactured by Invicta or by Dubois-Depraz. The ensuing problems can and will be remedied by Invicta, the necessary part (a washer) from DD has been ordered to assist in resolving these problems. Since the manufacturing defects do not stem from DD, the repairs will not be conducted by DD, as has been reported on the net, but by Invicta. While both parties regret any confusion this may have caused, neither party can be responsible for comments made by third parties. The major point for both Invicta and DD is that the final customers themselves be satisfied with their purchases, and that they can rest assured that the items are genuine.
We are pleased to finally be able to bring an end to this matter - Invicta and DD remain committed to working together for future projects, as had already been planned prior to the recent issues arising.
Sincerely,
Christopher Becker Eyal Lalo Business Development Manger Americas President/CEO Dubois-Depraz SA Invicta Watch Company
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"We are pleased to finally be able to bring an end to this matter" Yea right How about the BS that was dished out Ah we are working directly with DD - BS DD will inspect each movement - BS And a heck of a lot more - BS
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Originally Posted by Fresno "We are pleased to finally be able to bring an end to this matter" Yea right How about the BS that was dished out Ah we are working directly with DD - BS DD will inspect each movement - BS And a heck of a lot more - BS Drink the kool aid my WG friends Drink the kool aid
I am done with this subject Indeed. That's a lack luster reply to an incredible debacle. The marketing machine will roll on...
knapplink View Public Profile Find all posts by knapplink #4 06-26-2010, 04:27 AM no_invicta_joe
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Invicta got the movements from a broker, most likely excess inventory. Invicta will send the watches back to China for repair. My user name remains unchanged.
no_invicta_joe View Public Profile Find all posts by no_invicta_joe #5 06-26-2010, 04:34 AM Join Date: May 2010 Glass Half Location: North of the Mason Dixon line BDWF Watch Enthusiast Posts: 37
Let's see -In the statement today from DD & Invicta, item #1, "The movements were obtained legitimately." (Emphases mine) From Chris Becker's June 11 email to a WG, posted on WG, cc to adubois@dubois-depraz.ch & emetzger@dubois-depraz.ch: "1) Invicta has never purchased a movement or module from Dubois-Depraz. We have had sporadic contact in the past, but to date no movement has ever been supplied to them.".... "3) Since Invicta is not a customer of ours, we have no idea if the movements alluded to are in fact genuine DD modules or not. We have seen 'duplicates' of our modules in the past (sadly, not bad ones, either), and if they are such, Invicta may very well not even be aware that they are, since they have never had the real thing to compare it to."
Good takedown, Chris. From today's statement, final paragraph: "... Invicta and DD remain committed to working together for future projects, as had already been planned prior to the recent issues arising." If the two companies have had only sporadic contact in the past, when did they plan future projects?
There are other inconsistencies, but these jump out right away.
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Why did this statement take Three weeks? I'm sure that with Invicta's reputation, DD demanded payment in CASH to make this "go away". Do you have any idea how hard it is to get that much money past customs? Besides, Eyal probably got lost on his
way to Switzerland, since nobody from Invicta had ever been there before.
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Quote: Originally Posted by argabright Why did this statement take Three weeks? I'm sure that with Invicta's reputation, DD demanded payment in CASH to make this "go away". Do you have any idea how hard it is to get that much money past customs? Besides, Eyal probably got lost on his way to Switzerland, since nobody from Invicta had ever been there before. Yea, this story has more HOLES in it than a slice of SWISS CHEESE!
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The damage has been done - to BOTH reputations. From this point forward, if I need a pretty looking quartz, Swiss Legend and WoW gets my money. If I need an inexpensive mechanical, AlphaWatchUSA gets my dough.
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D-D is LAME for signing their name to that paper which seemed to be written by a law school drop out. It is not even on letter head so what good is it? Why does jawbone release it and not EYAL or his fuzzy puppy Michael Davis who works for him? I pee on D-D and will never knowingly purchase a watch with one of their movements and when I visit
my local ADs I will tell them this story.
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Quote: Originally Posted by knapplink Yea, this story has more HOLES in it than a slice of SWISS CHEESE! Since it doesnt make sense to me that swiss casers wouldnt know how to install DD moduled movements, I think the big unanswered question is where and by whom were these movements cased up? __________________ best, sandoz
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It's straight up silly. Invicta Watch Group likes to talk about how THEY labored so much to make a watch to exacting standards and so forth. They talk so much BS to sell watches. But, when it appears that the watch is so screwed up ... well, in that case, Invicta had nothing to do with it. They are such clowns. That's why I have not purchased any of their garbage in over a year. I've been done with them for a long time. __________________ "The Army is not what is used to be ... and it never was." MAJOR Dick Meadows (1932-1995) US Army Special Forces (that's not me, I'm quoting the guy)
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Originally Posted by Glass Half (Hand typed - I couldn't figure out how to get Photobucket to upload a pdf. Glass Half) Via Jim Skelton:
"While both parties regret any confusion this may have caused, neither party can be responsible for comments made by third parties." JS is the 3rd party. This statement is designed to absolve Eyal from the prickly problem of the lies that JS told on the former's behalf i.e. loud conversations with DD; and Eyal's working with DD to fix things before DD ever heard of him, etc. The lies will eventually be blamed on mis-communication between JIM and Eyal. The rest of this letter is old news. __________________ best, sandoz
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Quote: Originally Posted by sandoz JS is the 3rd party. This statement is designed to absolve Eyal from the prickly problem of the lies
that JS told on the former's behalf i.e. loud conversations with DD; and Eyal's working with DD to fix things before DD ever heard of him, etc. The lies will eventually be blamed on miscommunication between JIM and Eyal. The rest of this letter is old news. I think you got it exactly right as far as who the 3rd party is.The statement is about what I expected. Legal speak and cover your but. Nothing about all the lies the CEO told on air. I would be concerned if I owned one of the (good) ones. What happens when the smoke clears and they are stuck with a bad watch in a couple of months? Thread Tools
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Invicta didnt make the hands. Invicta didnt make the dial. Invicta didnt assemble the watch. Invicta will repair the watch? What about those top 10% of your watchmakers that can only touch your Reserve pieces? Where have their "white glove" skills been? For the few who know best...right! But, yet, Invicta has the "know how" that other fine watchmakers don't have. Lalo, your company is a empty shell and you have been exposed as a complete non-player in the industry. Others in the industry don't like you not because you sell a ton of watches but because you give the industry a bad name. __________________
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LOL at Invicta STILL trying to not take the blame from this fiasco.
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Well, I wasn't exactly expecting a balanced view of the Invicta/DD reply, but jeez not even one positive comment? What's wrong with you guys? Now I'm forced to check WG to see if there's anything positive there A few positives I can think of: 1) At least we got a reply, if I recall in a recent poll, most expected no reply or a very vague reply 2) It seems Lalo recognizes that some do find problems with some of his watches and are quite vocal about it: "A recent incident involving Invicta watches containing Dubois-Depraz movements has caused considerable reaction" This could be a small step in the right direction. __________________ George
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Quote: Originally Posted by GeorgeH Now I'm forced to check WG to see if there's anything positive there
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Quote: Originally Posted by cpjr57 What happens when the smoke clears and they are stuck with a bad watch in a couple of months? I suppose they're gonna pay $28 to get it fixed under warranty. __________________ That's fact'ry liqour. Cost a buck. --Tom Joad, The Grapes of Wrath
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Let's not forget - "And I've heard of other companies having problems with the D-D movement" from Mr. 3rd Party.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Budman2k Let's not forget - "And I've heard of other companies having problems with the D-D movement" from Mr. 3rd Party.
Anybody that deals with EITHER of these two deserves what ever they get. Budman Not just "heard of" I believe he said he has "spoken with"..... wonder what that brand is? __________________
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Looks like the 3rd Party got thrown under the bus by his good friend. How can they even call any of their watches a (Reserve) piece.Well I guess its a Reserve POS. They have better results from the 100$ watches.They should stick to making those.
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Quote: Originally Posted by conjurer I suppose they're gonna pay $28 to get it fixed under warranty. ...and get an opportunity to work on their p a t i e n c e .
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Wecome to the forum ... you write like you know Invicta well ... Can I recommend a good orthadontist?
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Say What?
What I am not understanding is:
Invicta didnt make the hands.
Invicta didnt make the dial.
Invicta didnt assemble the watch
Sorry, thought this was a Reserve timepiece, ALL hand assembled by Invicta? If that is the case, then how did they not assemble anything? Again passing the buck and not accepting responsibility for this fiasco. Just reaffirms my decision to stay away from their watches.
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Quote: Originally Posted by KABfoto What I am not understanding is:
Invicta didnt make the hands.
Invicta didnt make the dial.
Invicta didnt assemble the watch
Sorry, thought this was a Reserve timepiece, ALL hand assembled by Invicta? If that is the case, then how did they not assemble anything? Again passing the buck and not accepting responsibility for this fiasco. Just reaffirms my decision to stay away from their watches.
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"This company's nature of business is Watches Repair Service" So they apparently make most of their profit on those $28 fees.
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