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April 3rd, 2006 biiaktionaer Bye Bye Invicta Hi all, I also wrote that in "Baselworld 2006" forum. But this is special about the Invictawatches.

Long time i did'nt wrote here again. Since the Invicta-Forum was shut down.

I decided to go to Basel today. I had a good feeling that it will be a good day. I was wrong.

I came to Baselworld. The parking was about 12 $! Ok, so far soo good. No problem. The entry-ticket was about 35$. I knew that. Last year a Rado-Girl gave me a Free-Ticket. That was nice... LOL . The price is ok, when people at the exhibition wants people who are really interested in watches, nothing else.

I immediately went to the Invicta-Booth. The unfriendly Invicta-girls were coming to me and asking: "Can i help you? Do you have a businesscard?". I said that i am no Retailer, just customer. I asked for the new Catalogue, They said it's only for retailers! The most unfriendly staff i ever saw, very arrogant. So, after 2 or 3 minutes they asked me to leave the booth!!! They "are busy" they said! So i left with a very very bad feeling.

Ok, Mr. Lalo. I bought about 30 - 40 Invictas since 2 years now. I think i am finished with Invicta for now! They don't care about customers at all!

All people should know how Invicta treat customers.

The exhibition was like last year, so nothing special new. I was only 2 hours at the exhibition. I will never go there again. Too many arrogant people there. Hey, if they only want Retailers at the exhibition, why the hell they open just only for retailers? Or open for Customers for 1 day or so...

But hey, i paid 35$ for entry, i own a lot of watches and i like collecting as a hobby.

Others companies were not so arrogant like invicta, but i think the most (over)priced watches they have, the most arrogant they are.

For example HIRSCH (leather straps). I was at their booth. Very friendly german people who went to every customer and talked with them! They listened to me and showed me their collection. Really very nice. Invicta: please go to Hirsch and learn from them!!!!!

The next Invicta i buy must be VERY VERY Special! But i think i will never buy an Invicta again. I never thought that i will say that.

Bye Bye Invicta! biiaktionaer

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April 3rd, 2006 deidler Re: Bye Bye Invicta Sorry to hear about that. Nice to see you posting again though.

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April 3rd, 2006 CottyGee Re: Bye Bye Invicta There is NO EXCUSE for the treatment you received. It should not matter how much money you spend with them. It is a public show, open for consumers and retailers alike to attend, you said. I think you should print this thread and send copies to some of the bosses at Invicta!

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April 3rd, 2006 csp

Re: Bye Bye Invicta I wish everyone took your advise on Invicta. They do not care about it customers and they do nothing but lie about their products. I dumped all my Invicta's except for my DM diver because I am not willing to take such a huge hit from what I paid for it. I would never purchase another Invicta. <|<|<|

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April 4th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta

Sorry to hear of the inconsiderate treatment your received, Biaktioneer!!! You deserved better regardless of your status as a dealer or consumer.

I have never been to one of the Baselworld shows but it sounds like it :-) could be a lot of fun to see all the watches in one setting. I am a little surprised at the rudeness of the exhibitioneers considering the reputation for politeness that the Swiss folks are noted. I guess these young ladies were just following instructions and may not have even been from Switzerland!!!! Too Bad! It sort of sounds a little bit like your experience last year when you made it into the structure and then sort of were tuned out once they found you were not a dealer. :-( I certainly do not condone such behavior but realize that Invicta is probably not the only vendor with such behavior. These types of shows sometimes bring out the worst in vendors as they lavish attention on the decisionmaking high $$$ folks and sort of have a tendacy to dismiss the casual onlookers. I would not take this personally as I have seen this in other industries and is just an unpleasant aspect of these shows, more or less depending on the day, vendor, folks manning the display booth, amount of traffic, phase of the moon, ect., ect., ect.

This really is a business for these guys and I could tell you some stories about dealing with watch companies and distributors....even being a dealer.

Overall, its a fun hobby. But, as a business, you just have to sort of go with the flow and not take it too personally because it really isnt a personal issue.

So, I guess, when you go to these type of shows....you face the possibility of getting categorized and treated as a number......no one likes that !!!!!!!!

Hope you have a better experience in the future!

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April 4th, 2006 motorboat Re: Bye Bye Invicta

I think this lack of courtersy comes directly from the top. I have gotten the same attitude from customer service.

Apparently from top to bottom they have no clue how to treat the people that put the bread on their tables.

I'm like you, I will never buy another Invicta. Never. I have three now but only one of those I want to keep, the 9937. I have two quartz but when I try to sell them no one wants them for the price I ask. I'm not going to give them away either so I guess I'll keep them and wait for the day they stop working and never worry about them again.

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April 4th, 2006 Or Ology Re: Bye Bye Invicta

motorboat took the words right out of my mouth. The treatment you received is consistent with the treatment many, many customers have received from Invicta.

Why stop treating customers poorly when it's been so successful to this point? :-S

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April 4th, 2006 Tragic Re: Bye Bye Invicta I would love to go to Basel one day.

Sorry to hear you were ill-treated friend.

I've read in other threads that this show really is geared to retailers more than consumers though.

Many of the booths have sections that are closed to the general public.

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April 4th, 2006 o.a gaspar Re: Bye Bye Invicta

First Off I'm Happy to See You Simon...Good to See Some of the Old Gang Return ,Buddy :-!and Well...I Know How You Feel about Invicta and the Way they Treat Their Loyal Customers :-( Like Being Cheated On :-| I Also Stopped Buying the Product for the Same Reasons....Insult to Injury is Invictas Motto <|<|

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April 4th, 2006 KenC

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certainly do not condone such behavior but realize that Invicta is probably not the only vendor with such behavior. These types of shows sometimes bring out the worst in vendors as they lavish attention on the decisionmaking high $$$ folks and sort of have a tendacy to dismiss the casual onlookers. I would not take this personally as I have seen this in other industries and is just an unpleasant aspect of these shows, more or less depending on the day, vendor, folks manning the display booth, amount of traffic, phase of the moon, ect., ect., ect. [size=3]

And we were getting along so well..................please, it's somewhat demeaning to defend the indefensible. Just because another vendor may or may not have been rude (and biiaktionaer found no cause to critisize anyone else in his post) does not make Invicta's absloute rudeness and unprofessional behavior any more acceptable. Anybody can be "off" from time to time, but this absolute crappy treatment of customers is Invicta's history..........we were all Invicta fans at one time............consider it was the mutlitude of Invicta experience that made us turn the corner,not an isolated incident!

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April 4th, 2006 Nick773 Re: Bye Bye Invicta Sorry you didn't have a more pleasant experience at the Basel show. This is my first post and thanks. I was thinking of going to Basel next year but from what you say the time and expense is not worth it. I agree with most of the commentary regarding shopnbc and the sales tactics have turned me off from buying there again and I thank them for it. If they really believe what they say on the air, allI

can say making the sale trumps being honest . I've made the same poor buys until I became a litte more knowledgable and practically everything they sell is cheaper elsewhere. Can anyone tell me how I can sell some of my watches for the number has gotten out of hand for I've realized I am better off with the high end pieces and paring things down. .

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April 4th, 2006 monster623az Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by biiaktionaer I immediately went to the Invicta-Booth. The unfriendly Invicta-girls were coming to me and asking: "Can i help you? Do you have a businesscard?". I said that i am no Retailer, just customer.

The exhibition was like last year, so nothing special new. I was only 2 hours at the exhibition. I will never go there again. Too many arrogant people there. Hey, if they only want Retailers at the exhibition, why the hell they open just only for retailers? Or open for Customers for 1 day or so...

But hey, i paid 35$ for entry, i own a lot of watches and i like collecting as a hobby. biiaktionaer

So, what did the girls look like? :-D Seriously I totally agree if the only want retailers why let the public in? I know ive seen other shows in different things that have one day open to the public, and the rest open to retailers only, very smart. It would be cool as hell to be able to attend something like this especially if its something you love like alot of us do, but one of

the main things that keeps me from even dreaming of going to something like this is being discrespected the way you described. O|

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April 4th, 2006 biiaktionaer Re: Bye Bye Invicta At all: 1. The person who don't want to go to Baselworld because my post (was Ken i think): Please make your own experience. The first time i went it was not bad. It was a full day of new experiences. And Eyal Lalo let me show their collection. At least Eyal Lalo talked to me last year! (It must'nt be Eyal Lalo who shows me their collection and talk a little bit about their watches, i also would love do discuss with the staff.) The biggest reason i went there was because Invicta. Really. That's why i am so unhappy this year.

2. The girls at Invicta-booth were the same as last year. They are from the invictastuff. They are not swiss. They are US. One of them (the rudest) was pregnant last year. There are 2 girls and 1 man (looks like arabian).

3. Hello all again! didn't had the time to watch this forum closely. Now i hope it changes a little bit... :-) regards, biiaktionaer

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April 4th, 2006 Tony Duronio Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick773

Sorry you didn't have a more pleasant experience at the Basel show. This is my first post and thanks. I was thinking of going to Basel next year but from what you say the time and expense is not worth it. I agree with most of the commentary regarding shopnbc and the sales tactics have turned me off from buying there again and I thank them for it. If they really believe what they say on the air, allI can say making the sale trumps being honest . I've made the same poor buys until I became a litte more knowledgable and practically everything they sell is cheaper elsewhere. Can anyone tell me how I can sell some of my watches for the number has gotten out of hand for I've realized I am better off with the high end pieces and paring things down. .

Nick, 1st off welcome:-) We have all taken the same path so dont feel bad. as far as selling your pieces you dont want, we have a "sales corner" where you can post items for sale.

Good luck and participate often.

Tony:-!

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April 5th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta KenC...just because I have a different opinion than other folks, yourself included, does not mean we are not "getting along" ON the contrary, dissenting opinions are what make this country great (contrary to what a lot of popular politicians will lead all the lambs to believe as they lead them down the slippery slope).

But, as far as defending Invicta.....I think if you read my post I start by emphatically stating that: "Sorry to hear of the inconsiderate treatment your received, Biaktioneer!!! You deserved better regardless of your status as a dealer or consumer.

I have never been to one of the Baselworld shows but it sounds like it :-) could be a lot of fun to see all the watches in one setting. I am a little surprised at the rudeness of the exhibitioneers considering the reputation for politeness that the Swiss folks are noted. I guess these young ladies were just following instructions

and may not have even been from Switzerland!!!! Too Bad! It sort of sounds a little bit like your experience last year when you made it into the structure and then sort of were tuned out once they found you were not a dealer. :-( I certainly do not condone such behavior but realize that Invicta is probably not the only vendor with such behavior. These types of shows sometimes bring out the worst in vendors as they lavish attention on the decisionmaking high $$$ folks and sort of have a tendacy to dismiss the casual onlookers..."

I am not sure how you could take my statements and deduce that I am defending Invicta?????

I think what I am trying, perhaps unsuccessfully, to convey is that this may not be such an unusual occurrence at a show of this nature. BaseWorld or whatever it is called....is the primary sales tool for a lot of vendors and manufacturers and while these venues are "open" (perhaps that is not such an appropriate term) to the public.....many are certainly geared to the distributors, dealers, and sales channels as a means of doing business!

I have heard at this show and JCK in Vegas show of dealers and others not even being admitted to some of the boothes or structures....not even let inside to see the product! Tim T mentioned it numerous times on TZ over the years. So, while these shows do have some real eye candy.....they are not necessarily what we imagine them to be.

Just because we want them to be a "worlds fair" of watches where everyone is treated the same as everyone else does not mean that is what is going on over there. I havent been there so I certainly have no personal opinion on the matter other than what I have heard, read, and assume.

Biat also stated that Invicta was not the only "rude" exhibitor at the exposition...."Others companies were not so arrogant like invicta, but i think the most (over)priced watches they have, the most arrogant they are."

So, please, Ken, dont read more into my response that what I actually stated.

I try to be as clear and concise as possible but I really have no need to defend anyone here.

I mean, in my area of work, medicine, there are doctors with absolutely terrible "bedside manner" and yet they are wonderful and talented surgeons, mds, and such. There are also doctors with awful "bedside manner" who are not very good practicioneers. So, can we conclude from their poor "bedside manner" that they are automatically poor practicioneers? I would suggest that is not the case.

Likewise, can we deduct from poor "baselworld" booth hosting skills that all Invicta, Patek Phillipe, and Breuget watches are poor quality and should be judged on the merit of their Baselworld booth etiquette and accessibility to the public? I think, likewise that the answer is probably not.

Why not just judge a watch on their own merits?

I am sorry about any poor public or private service anyone receives in our "frenzied" world. Just seems to be part of the new global "reality".

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Originally Posted by KenC And we were getting along so well..................please, it's somewhat demeaning to defend the indefensible. Just because another vendor may or may not have been rude (and biiaktionaer found no cause to critisize anyone else in his post) does not make Invicta's absloute rudeness and unprofessional behavior any more acceptable.

Anybody can be "off" from time to time, but this absolute crappy treatment of customers is Invicta's history..........we were all Invicta fans at one time............consider it was the mutlitude of Invicta experience that made us turn the corner,not an isolated incident!

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April 5th, 2006 jakisbck Re: Bye Bye Invicta Im glad you were able to go to Basel 06 and even though there were rude people there I just hope the rest of your stay was great. Maybe one day I will get a chance to go and find out for myself what it is like. There are ways to deals with folks like that , I know because I deal wth that kind of nonsense pretty often. :thanks Biiak

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KenC Re: Bye Bye Invicta Dragoon, what I read was this, "I certainly do not condone such behavior but realize that Invicta is probably not the only vendor with such behavior." To me, that means, basically, don't judge them too harshly because others did the same as they did.

Perhaps I misunderstood. Perhaps I was wrong. Perhaps we just look at things differently.

Yadda, yadda, yadda...............Yadda, yadda, yadda...............hopefully these gifted and talented surgeons do not LIE TO YOU (their patients) about there abilities or the results you should expect from the surgery or the risks involved, or the post operative care you will receive, and.......as to why I can't "just judge a watch on their own merits"....I can. I simply consider though, the service one will get after he buys a watch as part of the merits of that watch!

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April 5th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta As much as we like to have neat and tidy little cubicles to place opinions and conclusions which help us to make decisions.......out in the real world....they dont always follow form how we might expect.

I agree we can only try to judge a watch, a surgeon, or whatever based on the elements presented to us. I dont think anyone likes less than stellar service in any aspect of life.

As far as my take on the poor customer service Simon had at the Invicta booth....I wouldnt like it any better than he did!!!!! Is it unhead of in an atmosphere like a "Baselworld".......probably not. Does it make it right....of course not.

Does it mean you dont like Invicta watches because of the poor cutomer service Simon received at Baselworld? No!...u didnt like most of em before Simon's post!!!:-D :-D :-D

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Originally Posted by KenC Dragoon, what I read was this, "I certainly do not condone such behavior but realize that Invicta is probably not the only vendor with such behavior." To me, that means, basically, don't judge them too harshly because others did the same as they did.

Perhaps I misunderstood. Perhaps I was wrong. Perhaps we just look at things differently.

Yadda, yadda, yadda...............Yadda, yadda, yadda...............hopefully these gifted and talented surgeons do not LIE TO YOU (their patients) about there abilities or the results you should expect from the surgery or the risks involved, or the post operative care you will receive, and.......as to why I can't "just judge a watch on their own merits"....I can. I simply consider though, the service one will get after he buys a watch as part of the merits of that watch!

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April 5th, 2006 Eddyboy Re: Bye Bye Invicta My guess is that the Basel PROMOTERS who get to keep the $30 bucks a ticket are happy to admit civilians. However the EXHIBITORS want to see as many dealers as they can to expand their distribution channels....Happens in a lot of shows. Based on the posts and some personal experience you almost could deduce that it is the company's culture to be rude and insensitive and callous to the end users. ...

That is not a lot different than many, many upscale jewelry stores where they size you up based on how you're dressed and decide whether to "dis" you within the first five seconds....That is common in cultures where the world view is the "zero sum game" a winner and a loser in every transaction...no such thing as a "win-win"

jmvvho

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April 5th, 2006 Donald Battles Re: Bye Bye Invicta I'll simply ask..... is anyone really all that surprised???????

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April 5th, 2006 Hockey Whino Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by KenC And we were getting along so well..................please, it's somewhat demeaning to defend the indefensible. Just because another vendor may or may not have been rude (and biiaktionaer found no cause to critisize anyone else in his post) does not make Invicta's absloute rudeness and unprofessional behavior any more acceptable.

Anybody can be "off" from time to time, but this absolute crappy treatment of customers is Invicta's history..........we were all Invicta fans at one time............consider it was the mutlitude of Invicta experience that made us turn the corner,not an isolated incident!

agree with KEN, Customer service is customer service. This is a customer oriented company, I don't care what other indusrties do ... its not right all the way around. if I put a price tag on my I

patients heads when they came in I would be out of practice in a heart beat. Just my 2 cents!!

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April 5th, 2006 Eddyboy Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by Donald Battles I'll simply ask..... is anyone really all that surprised???????

I'm not surprised...Actually, I prefer it to phony "nice".

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April 5th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta

Ok,,,,Hockey Whino...just for fun!!!

Lets take this scenario....lets suppose you are a private practice internist instead of an ER physician...which I think you said you are in a previous post. Forgive me if I err here...just going from memory.

You have a steady stream of patients who come in your office who need your services....really sick. 40-50 a day.

But, they dont have insurance and dont have any means of paying for your services. Are they going to get past your front office

receptionist? Maybe the first one and the second one and maybe even the fifth one!

But, I would suppose you would eventually say....hey,....we cannot treat patients without getting some payment of some type. Wouldnt you?

No one would think badly of you for this business practice. I mean, if you treated 50 sick folks a day who couldnt pay you and did nt have any insurance, medicare, or money to pay....well....that is just the way it is.

If you only treated sick folks who couldnt pay for your services you would not stay in business for long...would you?

But, morally, is it right? Those sick folks need care. Yet, your receptionist is going to stop them or you will go out of business.

While not a perfect example and certainly your receptionist could do this in a very nice manner and refer them to the local hospital or county agency for assistance......it does illustrate that the world is not always so "morally" black and white as we might like to think.

It is easy to "morally" condemn others for what we believe is unjust or improper treatment....but hey...when it is your business....you do what YOU think is right so you can stay in business and hopefully fill a need and produce an income.

While I am not trying to defend the business practices or boothe etiquette of Invicta, I do have to say that I admire the success they have experienced and think they do come up with some nice designs as well as some clunkers.

Invicta is what Invicta is. No more or less. Take the good with the bad.

Baselworld is what Baselworld is...no more or less. The Baselworld show, JCK Vegas, and the Hong Kong Event account for a sizable chunk of sales for watch companies for the entire year. They are

there to do BUSINESS. And they pay large fees to do so. Some of the vendors spend up to an over a million dollars on their display structures.

It Certainly doesnt make it right to blow off someone like Simon...and we can think ill of Invicta and other companies for acting like this.....but it is their business and their livelihoods can depend on the success or failure in these trade shows.

Just as you need to get paid by your patients( in our hypothetical example)....they also need to do business ( hopefully in a kinder and gentler way in the future....but ....the world does not seem to be getting kindler and gentler...does it?).

All in fun...hope you didnt find this too oblique.:-) :-)

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Originally Posted by Hockey Whino I agree with KEN, Customer service is customer service. This

is a customer oriented company, I don't care what other indusrties do ... its not right all the way around. if I put a price tag on my patients heads when they came in I would be out of practice in a heart beat. Just my 2 cents!!

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April 5th, 2006 KenC Re: Bye Bye Invicta

I reiterate: "..........we were all Invicta fans at one time............consider it

was the mutlitude of Invicta experience that made us turn the corner,not an isolated incident!" I have some Invicta watches that I truly love.

Some bought new, before I experienced first hand the fact that cutomer service hardly ever answers the phone, much less provides....... well........customer service, and others bought preowned from trusted friends.

......and, fortunately for me, at least in some areas, there are "neat and tidy little cubicles to place opinions and conclusions which help us to make decisions". Here's a little cubicle called "Ethics"...........a business either conducts their business ethically....or, they don't". I don't know about you, but I don't care how mechanically gifte a surgeon may be, if he is not an ethical person, I would not want him operating on me.............he may decide in the middle of the procedure that it's okay to start cutting corners. ............and I'm sure that you are not suggesting that I don't live..."out in the real world"..................are you? :roll: :-D

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Originally Posted by Dragoon As much as we like to have neat and tidy little cubicles to place opinions and conclusions which help us to make decisions.......out in the real world....they dont always follow form how we might expect.

I agree we can only try to judge a watch, a surgeon, or whatever based on the elements presented to us. I dont think anyone likes less than stellar service in any aspect of life.

As far as my take on the poor customer service Simon had at the Invicta booth....I wouldnt like it any better than he did!!!!! Is it unhead of in an atmosphere like a "Baselworld".......probably not. Does it make it right....of course not.

Does it mean you dont like Invicta watches because of the poor cutomer service Simon received at Baselworld? No!...u didnt like most of em before Simon's post!!!:-D :-D :-D

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April 5th, 2006 TimO Ken, I couldn't agree more...

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Originally Posted by KenC ......and, fortunately for me, at least in some areas, there are "neat and tidy little cubicles to place opinions and conclusions which help us to make decisions". Here's a little cubicle called "Ethics"...........a business either conducts their business ethically....or, they don't".

with your comments concerning ethics which has been my point about companies such as Alpha (and some others) all along.

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April 5th, 2006 KenC Re: Ken, I couldn't agree more...

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Originally Posted by TimO with your comments concerning ethics which has been my point about companies such as Alpha (and some others) all along.

And Iv'e always understood your point and agreed with it as to "replicas" but not to an "Homage". Seiko, for example, has produced a Rolex Datejust and Day/Date model for at least 30 years.........it is a popular, well made time-piece. Do I consider them unethical for doing so? No! And I can understand if you do, so we will just have to disagree on that.

Fortunately (I think) we can both agree on the ethical standards of Eyal Lalo and Invicta regardless of what their watches look like. Bottom line: Lalo & Company seem to be unable to even live up to the low standards that they set for themselves!

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April 5th, 2006 TimO Yes, we do agree...

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Originally Posted by KenC Fortunately (I think) we can both agree on the ethical standards of Eyal Lalo and Invicta regardless of what their watches look like.

Bottom line: Lalo & Company seem to be unable to even live up to the low standards that they set for themselves!

concerning Invicta but I would take it a step further and include their "partner" ShopNBC and (in my opionion at least) their "show hosts" in any discussion of lacking ethical standards.

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April 5th, 2006 watchboy Re: Bye Bye Invicta

Guys, it is a real shame Simon was treated that way!!! Those gals were either plain RUDE or STUPID!!!

First of all, a BIG international watch show/exhibtion like BASELWOLD XXXX, I believe there were a few days for dealers and retailers before actually opened to PUBLIC. And since Simon could buy a ticket and get into it, I believe it was opened to PUBLIC by then. That does not mean retailers and dealers would stop coming but those exhibitors must BEAR IN MIND that the public was present on that day too!!!

So they should treat public as public and retailers/dealers as retailers/dealers. IN EITHER WAY, THEY SHOULD NOT TREAT THE WAY SIMON WAS TREATED!!! It is simply no manners at all!!! If I was treated that way, I would walk up to the Invicta's management to tell them what happened and make sure the gals get a STERN WARNING!!! If Inivcta does not care, I would go to the organisers of BASELWORLD XXXX and lodge a complaint!!!

Now for the doctor practice, public or private, I think it is not right or suitable to use in this example. First of all I believe those patients with insurances, have to observe certain working hours that are allocated for them to visit certain clinics/docs(private). On top of that, those w/o insurance will have priority over those with insurance during the non allocated hours for insuranced patients. Cos those private practice docs are not obliged to see every insuranced patients as they are NOT PAID fully by the govt or the insurance company to work as a doctor for insurance. If not they would not have gone into private practice, instead they would be practicing in public clinic and hospital. Hence, I think it is not appropriate to compare in this case.

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April 5th, 2006

KenC Re: Yes, we do agree...

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Originally Posted by TimO concerning Invicta but I would take it a step further and include their "partner" ShopNBC and (in my opionion at least) their "show hosts" in any discussion of lacking ethical standards.

Agreed.................no ethical business would allow their "hosts" to constantly misrepresent (read pathologically lie) about the products they are hawking. Thank God they don't refer to them as "salespeople" as no ethical saleperson would ever stoop that low!

My wife, who is actually a QVC fan, refers to SNBC as "the scum of the earth"..........and as we all know, the wife is always right! :-D

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April 5th, 2006 Eddyboy Re: Bye Bye Invicta Happily for some, the government has not yet criminalized incompetence, poor judgement, arrogance, hypocrisy, and hubris. ..and to an extent ethics. It has been left to the individual to evaluate with whom he will deal.

At the same time it may a little unrealistic to buy a watch from a clown at a carnival for a fraction of what you might expect to pay, and then be shocked and disappointed when the purchase doesn't live up to what the clown promised . ..That big shiny flashing red clown nose is the tipoff...

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April 5th, 2006

Hockey Whino Re: Bye Bye Invicta Not too oblique at all Dragoon, and i was going to disagree with what you wrote initially, but you put in the disclaimer of my receptionist being nice and polite and referring the patient to the appropriate caregiver.

Once again I'm not talking about Invicta and their customer service or how they run their business. They do have the right to run their bus. as they seem fit. I was more referring to the way the staff handled the situation ie.. rudness (for a lack of a better word). Which ultimately gives the consumer the right to complain, return merchandise, and cease to do business with the company. If invicta doesn't care to give the consumer the shopping relationship the consumer wants...Fine. I am one who treats my patients(customers) with kindness, professionalism and care...regardless of Ins., cash, or ability to pay. If my staff treated any of my patients the way that Simon was treated, they would either be reprimanded by myself or terminated, depending on circumstance. In turn when i do business with someone, I expect the same whether I'm out at a restaurant, mall or looking at watches. Simon has a legitimate gripe, so do others...

I'm not a Invicta basher, I have two myself. I replied negatively about a 13000.00 invicta watch in another post, not because it was an Invicta but because in my opinion it was ugly and not worth the expenditure. There are patek watches that are in that same category. My wife doesn't agree... but oh well she'll be the death of my bank account one day.

Thanks for the intelligent conversation.:-):-):-)

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Originally Posted by Dragoon

Ok,,,,Hockey Whino...just for fun!!!

Lets take this scenario....lets suppose you are a private practice internist instead of an ER physician...which I think you said you are in a previous post. Forgive me if I err here...just going from memory.

You have a steady stream of patients who come in your office who need your services....really sick. 40-50 a day.

But, they dont have insurance and dont have any means of paying for your services. Are they going to get past your front office receptionist? Maybe the first one and the second one and maybe even the fifth one!

But, I would suppose you would eventually say....hey,....we cannot treat patients without getting some payment of some type. Wouldnt you?

No one would think badly of you for this business practice. I mean, if you treated 50 sick folks a day who couldnt pay you and did nt have any insurance, medicare, or money to pay....well....that is just the way it is.

If you only treated sick folks who couldnt pay for your services you would not stay in business for long...would you?

But, morally, is it right? Those sick folks need care. Yet, your receptionist is going to stop them or you will go out of business.

While not a perfect example and certainly your receptionist could do this in a very nice manner and refer them to the local hospital or county agency for assistance......it does illustrate that the world is not always so "morally" black and white as we might like to think.

It is easy to "morally" condemn others for what we believe is unjust or improper treatment....but hey...when it is your business....you do what YOU think is right so you can stay in business and hopefully fill a need and produce an income.

While I am not trying to defend the business practices or boothe etiquette of Invicta, I do have to say that I admire the success they have experienced and think they do come up with some nice designs as well as some clunkers.

Invicta is what Invicta is. No more or less. Take the good with

the bad.

Baselworld is what Baselworld is...no more or less. The Baselworld show, JCK Vegas, and the Hong Kong Event account for a sizable chunk of sales for watch companies for the entire year. They are there to do BUSINESS. And they pay large fees to do so. Some of the vendors spend up to an over a million dollars on their display structures.

It Certainly doesnt make it right to blow off someone like Simon...and we can think ill of Invicta and other companies for acting like this.....but it is their business and their livelihoods can depend on the success or failure in these trade shows.

Just as you need to get paid by your patients( in our hypothetical example)....they also need to do business ( hopefully in a kinder and gentler way in the future....but ....the world does not seem to be getting kindler and gentler...does it?).

All in fun...hope you didnt find this too oblique.:-) :-)

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April 5th, 2006 motorboat Re: Bye Bye Invicta

Ask yourself one simple question: Would you get similar treatment at another trade show like CES?

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April 5th, 2006 Eddyboy

Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by motorboat

Ask yourself one simple question: Would you get similar treatment at another trade show like CES?

I've never been to the CES, but I've been to plenty of shows where the help is rude and dismissive to anyone who they don't view as a customer who can directly benefit them. It's as common as dirt...It is just a bit worse where the corporate culture is already that way and supports that approach...

I've been to many Medical trade shows and expos where the exhibitors will carefully read your attendee badge to determine your pigeon hole before they'll even talk to you...

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April 6th, 2006 KenC Re: Bye Bye Invicta "Invicta is what Invicta is. No more or less. Take the good with the bad."

Perhaps I am reading this wrong or reading too much into it, but to the "uninitiated" Invicta is NOT what Invicta is, it is what Eyal Lalo, Jim Skelton and ShopNBC SAYS it is..........and those people appear to be pathological liars and ShopNBC lacks, as a compnay, the moral courage or business ethics to do business in a less fraudulant way.

Combine that with ShopNBC erroneously presenting the perception that it carries the same credibilty as that of NBC, an old line name, fraudulantly presenting these to clowns as credible (and even honest :-D ) experts.............therein lies the problem.

If people who have visited this forum, and other forums that "feature" Invicta

comments, then, I have no problem with their decision to purchase Invicta (until they start whining), but it is the 1st time purchaser who gets swindled with the lies that these entities present that really po's me.

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April 6th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta The only surpising issue about Invicta watches is that folks continue to buy them through SNBC. I occasionally may get one with a factory defect but it is very very rare. I personally inspect each one prior to shipment and my prices are pretty darn competitive.

I think a lot of folks sort of confuse the poor service and quality of product, returned product, resent and recycled defective product they receive from SNBC and assume it is the fault of Invicta. I rarely have those sort of reactions on the watches I send out.

Sort of funny to hear folks complain and then turn around and purchase from SNBC again and again. Can anyone say "beat me, whip me" please sir!

If I purchase something from SNBC I sort of assume there is a 50/50 chance it will be acceptable......since it isnt checked by anyone at their warehouse and could very well be a defective return.

And, I certainly do not in any way condone the type of "greeting" Simon got at Baselworld!!! That was very rude and in no way acceptable!!!!

Jacky....as far as the MD example....just trying to illustrate that there is a business side to every occupation no matter how we want to view it. Other wise, we wont be in business long enough to help others or sell watches. Certainly, it is no excuse for the way Simon was treated. That was totally unacceptable and really sleazy. It could of and should of been handled much much better.

I agree with Eddyboy on this one....sort of the old style elite jewelery store approach. Not very classy or nice!

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Originally Posted by Donald Battles I'll simply ask..... is anyone really all that surprised???????

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April 6th, 2006 o.a gaspar Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoon The only surpising issue about Invicta watches is that folks continue to buy them through SNBC. I occasionally may get one with a factory defect but it is very very rare. I personally inspect each one prior to shipment and my prices are pretty darn competitive.

I think a lot of folks sort of confuse the poor service and quality of product, returned product, resent and recycled defective product they receive from SNBC and assume it is the fault of Invicta. I rarely have those sort of reactions on the watches I send out.

Sort of funny to hear folks complain and then turn around and purchase from SNBC again and again. Can anyone say "beat me, whip me" please sir!

If I purchase something from SNBC I sort of assume there is a 50/50 chance it will be acceptable......since it isnt checked by anyone at their warehouse and could very well be a defective return.

And, I certainly do not in any way condone the type of "greeting" Simon got at Baselworld!!! That was very rude and in no way acceptable!!!!

Jacky....as far as the MD example....just trying to illustrate that there is a business side to every occupation no matter how we want to view it. Other wise, we wont be in business long enough to help others or sell watches.

Certainly, it is no excuse for the way Simon was treated. That was totally unacceptable and really sleazy. It could of and should of been handled much

much better.

I agree with Eddyboy on this one....sort of the old style elite jewelery store approach. Not very classy or nice!

Rob You're an Invicta Dealer and Starting to Sound Like Skelton Did When This Was the Old Invicta Forum and he went to Slop...jmho:-(Please Follow the Lead of Other Dealers on This Forum and Try To Avoid any Derrogatory Remarks Against a Product That Unfortunately has Lost It's Lustre Not Only Here but Everywhere...<| You're a Great Guy and I Hate to See You Go Down with The Ship:-)The Women who Treated Simon So Bad were Eyals family Members ...which Makes It Even Worse<|<|

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April 6th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta Big O.....If anything I sound like Jim when he was a moderator here prior to going to slop!! That was when Jim emphatically emphasized that folks should purchase through forum dealers as opposed to SNBC in order to get good service, products, and CS. I think that is actually one thing Jim had correct.

Not sure I agree with your assessment on Invicta losing its luster. They are still a very popular and very strong brand in the watch world despite what you may think.

I think folks who purchase through SNBC are asking for problems and not sure I think it is fair to assess Invicta as a brand from the uneven performance which SNBC offers. This much is a fact.

NOt sure what you mean about "not making" derogatory remarks???? My comments had to do with dealership service and product delivery.

I have been very open about the Invicta watches which I believe are good values.

Basically, the models below $200. There are a few swiss automatics I like which Invicta produces that are slightly above $200 but for the $$$$ I consider them good values.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...ofPICT0217.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...ofPICT0076.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...ofPICT0074.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...ofPICT0072.jpg I just dont buy the "blanket" concept that every watch Invicta offers is a POS based on their continued success over a ten year period. If you and the "gang of five" have a grudge against Invicta as a brand...that is fine by me but really has no bearing on the individual watches which Invicta offers for sale or on my "perspective" on this brand. They still offer many good values, IMO, but I can understand the position you, Ken, and others may feel.

A little "open" discussion certainly is good for any forum. Hope this forum doesnt become closed to opposing viewpoints. It sort of goes against the very nature of an open forum.

I think part of your dislike with Invicta has to do with SNBC as used by Invicta to market their watches. I havent watched that show in a few years for more than 30 minutes and really dont take a whole lot of what they say with any seriousness. If you are basing your dislike because of the television clowning that goes on.....so be it.

As far as the "Invicta Girls" and their rude behavior. There is no excuse for how they treated Simon regarless of whose offspring they may be. But, in the real world, these things happen. .... happens and we continue to move forward. Not sure I would of been greatly offended as the watch business is not known for its touchy feely elements. It is a business. I would not be surprised if a lot of the players dont participate in small talk and are very driven by the $$. And like in life, not everyone is nice. Think New York City x 10!!!! Folks in NYC are great but they do take business in a very straightforward and "no fooling around" atmosphere. No wasted words...just do the deal and "lets not waste any time....time is money"...you know the drill, Oscar!!!!

I certainly am not stating that all of the watch industry is rude, inconsiderate, and driven only by the lust for money. But, there is that element in the industry and it does rear its ugly head from time to time. It is possible Simon's treatment was an isolated incident and they were scolded for treating him in this manner......I said "possible".

It isnt how I would choose to live, but, that is sort of the atmosphere I have seen in my brief glimpse into the industry. I certainly am not saying they are not nice folks, they are in their own way. Some of this stuff you just cannot take personally.

It is just business as usual....for them.

There is greed, $$$, power, ......you know....the regular stuff that makes the world go round and makes some people less than nice.

Oh well.....so it goes.

Like I said....go through me for Inivcta watches.....I will take the BS out of the

equation. I am not saying I am perfect, nor that Invicta is perfect. WE are talking about sub $300 watches and I dont expect Rolex quality at that price level. Buy a Seiko if quality is the primary factor in your purchase decision. But, I think the quality is acceptable, especially compared to other watches out in the retail world.

Just my humble opinion and certainly others are welcome to disagree.;-)

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Rob You're an Invicta Dealer and Starting to Sound Like Skelton Did When This Was the Old Invicta Forum and he went to Slop...jmho:-(Please Follow the Lead of Other Dealers on This Forum and Try To Avoid any Derrogatory Remarks Against a Product That Unfortunately has Lost It's Lustre Not Only Here but Everywhere...<| You're a Great Guy and I Hate to See You Go Down with The Ship:-)The Women who Treated Simon So Bad were Eyals family Members ...which Makes It Even Worse<|<|

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o.a gaspar Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoon Big O.....If anything I sound like Jim when he was a moderator here prior to going to slop!! That was when Jim emphatically emphasized that folks should purchase through forum dealers as opposed to SNBC in order to get good service, products, and CS. I think that is actually one thing Jim had correct.

Not sure I agree with your assessment on Invicta losing its luster. They are still a very popular and very strong brand in the watch world despite what you may think. I think folks who purchase through SNBC are asking for problems and not sure I think it is fair to assess Invicta as a brand from the uneven performance which SNBC offers. This much is a fact.

NOt sure what you mean about "not making" derogatory remarks???? My comments had to do with dealership service and product delivery.

I have been very open about the Invicta watches which I believe are good values. Basically, the models below $200. There are a few swiss automatics I like which Invicta produces that are slightly above $200 but for the $$$$ I consider them good values. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...ofPICT0217.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...ofPICT0076.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...ofPICT0074.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...ofPICT0072.jpg I just dont buy the "blanket" concept that every watch Invicta offers is a POS based on their continued success over a ten year period. If you and the "gang of five" have a grudge against Invicta as a brand...that is fine by me but really has no bearing on the individual watches which Invicta offers for sale or on my "perspective" on this brand. They still offer many good values, IMO, but I can understand the position you, Ken, and others may feel.

A little "open" discussion certainly is good for any forum. Hope this forum doesnt become closed to opposing viewpoints. It sort of goes against the very nature of an open forum.

I think part of your dislike with Invicta has to do with SNBC as used by Invicta to market their watches. I havent watched that show in a few years for more than 30 minutes and really dont take a whole lot of what they say with any seriousness. If you are basing your dislike because of the television clowning

that goes on.....so be it.

As far as the "Invicta Girls" and their rude behavior. There is no excuse for how they treated Simon regarless of whose offspring they may be. But, in the real world, these things happen. .... happens and we continue to move forward. Not sure I would of been greatly offended as the watch business is not known for its touchy feely elements. It is a business. I would not be surprised if a lot of the players dont participate in small talk and are very driven by the $$. And like in life, not everyone is nice. Think New York City x 10!!!! Folks in NYC are great but they do take business in a very straightforward and "no fooling around" atmosphere. No wasted words...just do the deal and "lets not waste any time....time is money"...you know the drill, Oscar!!!!

I certainly am not stating that all of the watch industry is rude, inconsiderate, and driven only by the lust for money. But, there is that element in the industry and it does rear its ugly head from time to time. It is possible Simon's treatment was an isolated incident and they were scolded for treating him in this manner......I said "possible".

It isnt how I would choose to live, but, that is sort of the atmosphere I have seen in my brief glimpse into the industry. I certainly am not saying they are not nice folks, they are in their own way. Some of this stuff you just cannot take personally. It is just business as usual....for them.

There is greed, $$$, power, ......you know....the regular stuff that makes the world go round and makes some people less than nice.

Oh well.....so it goes.

Like I said....go through me for Inivcta watches.....I will take the BS out of the equation. I am not saying I am perfect, nor that Invicta is perfect. WE are talking about sub $300 watches and I dont expect Rolex quality at that price level. Buy a Seiko if quality is the primary factor in your purchase decision.

But, I think the quality is acceptable, especially compared to other watches out in the retail world.

Just my humble opinion and certainly others are welcome to disagree.;-)

Gang of 5 that's Hilariuos Rob:-D:-DWhere have you been?/The Invivta Bashing has been going on for Years starting when Lynn Slocum getting Burned by Eyal...hey I was the Friggin' poster Child for Invicta at one time until Eyal and His ASSistant Sarah personally Burned me along with Skelton :-|The anti-

Invicta sentiment is being Voiced on every respectable Watch forum on the Web :-!Even the Slop forum has become Anti-Invicta...the Gang of 5 has Shifted to the Only 5 People Who Still haven't learned their Lesson and Continue to put $$ in Eyals and His Mouthpiece with the Questionable Backgrounds Pockets:-D:-D As For You Continually Advertising Openly on this Forum I Wish Someone Would Put a STOP to It ..NOW<| What Makes You Think Eyal won't Have you bent Over with the Jar of #12 grit vaseline on the nightstand next to You:-D:-D Cut Your Losses and get Out while the gettins' Good Rob....Seems Even the Good guys Like You get Brainwashed into Believeing the BS Spewed by Eyal and the Superextraordinaryteamzuluhonarayhostadminpoc<|<|A Good business man Knows that having to compete with Slop and their continual Price Dropping quarterly is Not Good Biz....What are You one of 2 Invicta Dealers Left?? Gimme a Break there is NO Class in being a Invicta Dealer Rob ,,,You and the Guy who Just Posted the Rep Site are One in the Same!<|<|JMHO

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April 6th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta

Big O....get a grip! You sound like the one who is brainwashed. :-)

I have stated many times.....along with many others...that I believe the Invicta watches which are good values are the

models at around $200 and below although there are some above that price point I would also consider.

I also consider many other brands worth the $$$.

I dont get around as much as yourself on the different forums to listen to all the buzz. Lets face it....some folks are never going to be happy.

This is not rocket science. We are talking watches not world politics.

I actually find the market to be quite good for Invicta watches. Not sure that the economy of the US along with the war in Iraq and the impending "action" against Iran arent more of a factor in my mind than what the current "gaggle" is among a small group of disgruntled forum members. Each is entitled to their own opinion but I do notice you selling your pieces without spouting off how "awful" Invicta watches are in your opinion! I would think you would be taking your Invicta watches to a salvage yard and have them put in the "car crusher" the way you and the "gang of five" speak about Invicta watches. Too funny!!!:-D :-D As I said....I really do not listen to Eyal and Jim on SNBC. I find their watches are of decent quality, IMO and a good value in their market. I have many myself which I have worn for a number of years which keep time, look good, and continue to run. Not sure what you are expecting out of your watch but that is about all I ask of mine.

You remind me of a cigarette smoker who has quit and then everyone he sees he chastises and criticizes them for smoking. EXCUSE ME!!!!:-D :-D All in good fun Oscar. Dont blow a head gasket, Dude!

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April 6th, 2006

KenC Re: Bye Bye Invicta [QUOTE=Dragoon] I think a lot of folks sort of confuse the poor service and quality of product, returned product, resent and recycled defective product they receive from SNBC and assume it is the fault of Invicta. I rarely have those sort of reactions on the watches I send out.

Sort of funny to hear folks complain and then turn around and purchase from SNBC again and again. Can anyone say "beat me, whip me" please sir!

[QUOTE] No............I don't assume that at all, Invicta and ShopNBC are two seperate and distinct, yet commonly sleazy and unethical business operations. I base my comments about Invicta based soley on my experience with their customer service department, which is, basically, non-exeistant. I base my comments on ShopNBC based on the horible merchabdise AND customer service issues I have had with them.

I agree that if you have been burned by SNBC (or Invicta) that you should not do business with them again.........so I don't. Fool me once, shame on you.............fool me twice, shame on me!

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April 6th, 2006 KenC Re: Bye Bye Invicta Dragoon Quote: "Like I said....go through me for Inivcta watches.....I will take the BS out of the equation. I am not saying I am perfect, nor that Invicta is perfect.

WE are talking about sub $300 watches and I dont expect Rolex quality at that price level. Buy a Seiko if quality is the primary factor in your purchase decision.

But, I think the quality is acceptable, especially compared to other watches out in the retail world."

This is what I have long suspected that your agenda has been in your defense of Invicta.............please, take it to the sales forum. :oops: KenC, "Gang of 5" B-)

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April 6th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta Love that Trias in your sig pic, Ken!!! I was wondering how many watches you sent to Invicta Service for repair???? One....two?

And as far as calling them on the phone....not sure when you call but I get them just about every time I call. I guess you dont need the phone number any more, but, I seldom have any problems getting them on the telephone.

Just my experience.

[QUOTE=KenC][QUOTE=Dragoon] I think a lot of folks sort of confuse the poor service and quality of product, returned product, resent and recycled defective product they receive from SNBC and assume it is the fault of Invicta. I rarely have those sort of reactions on the watches I send out.

Sort of funny to hear folks complain and then turn around and purchase from SNBC again and again. Can anyone say "beat me, whip me" please sir!

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No............I don't assume that at all, Invicta and ShopNBC are two seperate and distinct, yet commonly sleazy and unethical business operations. I base my comments about Invicta based soley on my experience with their customer service department, which is, basically, non-exeistant. I base my comments on ShopNBC based on the horible merchabdise AND customer service issues I have had with them.

I agree that if you have been burned by SNBC (or Invicta) that you should not do business with them again.........so I don't. Fool me once, shame on you.............fool me twice, shame on me!

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April 6th, 2006 KenC Re: Bye Bye Invicta Thank you, the Trias Swiss Made Cushion Case is a wonderful watch as are all their "Swiss mades"..........even the Asian Made Pilot's automatic I have has very nice F&F and a great, accurate hand-windable, hacking movement in it.

A couple of summers ago, I attempted to send a Classic Lupah and a white dial Date-Master GMT (#9402) in for repair. I actually tried calling them every day or so for several weeks without getting and answer (well, an occassional answering machine, but no return call). I gave up, threw the watches in a drawer, and look at them from time-to-time, to remind me.........just in case I get tempted................BTW, did not buy from SNBC, bought from an excellent independent dealer (Lynn Slocum) and the watches were working fine when I received them.

So, what does it matter "how many"? I would think that one repeated watch, grossly neglected by cs, should suffice............or is there a magic number that Invicta recognizes as being worthy of a response........oh please let us know!

[QUOTE=Dragoon]Love that Trias in your sig pic, Ken!!! I was wondering how many watches you sent to Invicta Service for repair???? One....two?

And as far as calling them on the phone....not sure when you call but I get them just about every time I call. I guess you dont need the phone number any more, but, I seldom have any problems getting them on the telephone.

Just my experience.

[QUOTE=KenC] Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoon I think a lot of folks sort of confuse the poor service and quality of product, returned product, resent and recycled defective product they receive from SNBC and assume it is the fault of Invicta. I rarely

have those sort of reactions on the watches I send out.

Sort of funny to hear folks complain and then turn around and purchase from SNBC again and again. Can anyone say "beat me, whip me" please sir!

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April 6th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta Ken...yeah...i might be looking to get one of those Trias pieces....nice looking!

Now dont tell me you are upset with Invicta customer service because they did not return you call!!!!!

That is why you are consider their customer service department the worst in the business??????

I have to say that I think you could of at least put your watches in a box....spent $15 or $30 depending on if you wanted one or both repaired or replaced....and played along with the warranty instructions and at least given them a chance.

I am not sure I really think you have that much of a case to beef about their customer service since you didnt even send your watches to them for repair. And that is just my personal opinion and you can certainly "bear a grudge" about them not returning your phone calls. I thought you had some catastrophic story or blunder.

I have sent a number of watches to them for repair and really have been quite satisfied with the repair work. I know some folks have not been satisfied and there have been some who have been furious for good reason. But, my personal experience has been good.

They have sent post cards with pics of the watches sent in and an estimate of when they would be returned. They started this about 6 months ago. They also now send out post cards when they register your extended warranty application with the date the warranty is valid until and the warranty number. I have been impressed with their customer service as of the last year or so.

Just my personal experience and I am sure not everyone has had the same positive experience as me.

[QUOTE=KenC]Thank you, the Trias Swiss Made Cushion Case is a wonderful watch as are all their "Swiss mades"..........even the Asian Made Pilot's automatic I have has very nice F&F and a great, accurate hand-windable, hacking movement in it.

A couple of summers ago, I attempted to send a Classic Lupah and a white dial Date-Master GMT (#9402) in for repair. I actually tried calling them every day or so for several weeks without getting and answer (well, an occassional answering machine, but no return call). I gave up, threw the watches in a drawer, and look at them from time-to-time, to remind me.........just in case I get tempted................BTW, did not buy from SNBC, bought from an excellent independent dealer (Lynn Slocum) and the watches were working fine when I received them.

So, what does it matter "how many"? I would think that one repeated watch, grossly neglected by cs, should suffice............or is there a magic number that Invicta recognizes as being worthy of a response........oh please let us know!

[QUOTE=Dragoon]Love that Trias in your sig pic, Ken!!! I was wondering how many watches you sent to Invicta Service for repair???? One....two?

And as far as calling them on the phone....not sure when you call but I get them just about every time I call. I guess you dont need the phone number any more, but, I seldom have any problems getting them on the telephone.

Just my experience.

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April 6th, 2006 o.a gaspar Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoon :-) Big

O....get a grip! You sound like the one who is brainwashed.

I have stated many times.....along with many others...that I believe the Invicta watches which are good values are the models at around $200 and below although there are some above that price point I would also consider.

I also consider many other brands worth the $$$.

I dont get around as much as yourself on the different forums to listen to all the buzz. Lets face it....some folks are never going to be happy.

This is not rocket science. We are talking watches not world politics.

I actually find the market to be quite good for Invicta watches. Not sure that the economy of the US along with the war in Iraq and the impending "action" against Iran arent more of a factor in my mind than what the current "gaggle" is among a small group of disgruntled forum members. Each is entitled to their own opinion but I do notice you selling your pieces without spouting off how "awful" Invicta watches are in your opinion! I would think you would be taking your Invicta watches to a salvage yard and have them put in the "car crusher" the way you and the "gang of five" speak about Invicta watches. Too funny!!!:-D :-D As I said....I really do not listen to Eyal and Jim on SNBC. I find their watches are of decent quality, IMO and a good value in their market. I have many myself which I have worn for a number of years which keep time, look good, and continue to run. Not sure what you are expecting out of your watch but that is about all I ask of mine.

You remind me of a cigarette smoker who has quit and then everyone he sees he chastises and criticizes them for smoking. EXCUSE ME!!!!:-D :-D All in good fun Oscar. Dont blow a head gasket, Dude!

As Usual You are Absoulutely right Rob|> I am Going Through Invicta Withdrawel Syndrome :-D:-DSo To Help Ease My Cravings I Have been Buying Real Swiss Watches Like Gevril,Jean Marcel,Xemex in the Ilke and saving $$ While Doing It :-D:-!I Hope You Retire a Wealthy Invicta Dealer Some day..:roll:

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April 6th, 2006 watchboy Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoon .....

Jacky....as far as the MD example....just trying to illustrate that there is a business side to every occupation no matter how we want to view it. Other wise, we wont be in business long enough to help others or sell watches.

Certainly, it is no excuse for the way Simon was treated. That was totally unacceptable and really sleazy. It could of and should of been handled much much better.....

Rob, I agree with you on that, it was just that I thought that illustration you had brought up was not that appropriate. Pardon me for that, it is JMHO. :-) As an outsider's(non-US) point of view in term of why Invicta is still selling "well" or SNBC is too, I would say first Invicta is not an expensive brand(most of their models) and the fact SNBC is selling "well" was cos of their discount coupons(the best was the -$50 on first purchase). I believe WSS or other shopping channel start with -$50 coupons for first purchases, a lot of people will flock there too instead of SNBC. Also Invicta is a US based brand for now and people have the privilege to

return their purchases within 30 days (for e.g.) to SNBC, and other channels for e.g.

If we really want to compare, I think it is ONLY if one can get an idea of HOW MANY INVICTAS were returned to SNBC or other shopping channels. Hence, that FIGURE will distinctively show IF Invicta is selling well still OR NOT? Well one can say also ...Hey now SNBC(for e.g) sells SEIKOS too and buyers can return their watches to SNBC too!? However, buyers like members here jolly well know that those Seikos are overpriced compared to some Asia ebayers. So naturally, I believe the figures or SEIKOs sold in SNBC and other shopping channels are naturally lower compared to Invicta(for e.g).

JMO as a non-US based member.

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April 6th, 2006 BIG CHRONO Re: Bye Bye Invicta BBB of Southeast Florida 2924 North Australian Ave. West Palm Beach, FL 33407 (561) 842-1918 INVICTA WATCH COMPANY OF AMERICA 3069 Taft Street Hollywood, FL 33021 View Location Map

Principal: Eyal Lalo, President Local Phone Number: (954) 921-2444 Fax Number: (954) 921-2508 Membership Status: This company is not a member.

TOB Classification: Watches-Service & Repair The information in this report has either been provided by the company, or has been compiled by the Bureau from other sources.

Customer Experience Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau due to unanswered complaints.

When evaluating complaint information, please consider the company's size and volume of business. The number of complaints filed against the company may not be as important as the type of complaints and how the company handled them.

162 consumers have requested a reliability report on this company in the past 36 months.

The Bureau processed a total of 21 complaints about this company in the last 36 months, our standard reporting period. Of the total 21 complaints in the last 36 months, 12 of those were closed in the last 12 months.

Complaints Concerned Sales Practice Issues: 2 Outcome of all complaints Resolved: 1; No Response: 1 Delivery Issues: 7 Outcome of all complaints Resolved: 1; Unresolved: 1; No Response: 5 Repair Issues: 2 Outcome of all complaints Resolved: 1; Administratively Closed: 1 Service Issues: 4 Outcome of all complaints Resolved: 3; No Response: 1 Product Issues: 1 Outcome of the complaint No Response: 1 Contract Issues: 4 Outcome of all complaints Resolved: 2; No Response: 2 Billing or Collection Issues: 1 Outcome of the complaint Unresolved: 1

Licensing Information This company is in an industry that may require licensing, bonding or registration in order to lawfully do business. The Bureau encourages you to check with the appropriate agency to be certain any requirements are currently being met.

ADDITIONAL TRADENAMES, ADDRESSES AND TELEPHONE NUMBERS (800) 327-7682 This is not necessarily a complete list.

Company Management Nadia Lalo, Secretary and Gany Cohen, Vice President.

Additional File Information The Bureau has requested basic information from this company. The Bureau has not received a response. Without this information, the Bureau may not have current information concerning such things as the company's management or its nature of business.

The information in this report has either been provided by the company, or has been compiled by the Bureau from other sources.

BBB reports may not be reproduced for sales or promotional purposes.

Report as of: 4/6/2006 Copyright: 2006 BBB of Southeast Florida As a matter of policy, the Better Business Bureau does not endorse any product, service, or company. BBB reports generally cover a three-year reporting period, and are provided solely to assist you in exercising your own best judgment.

Information contained in this report is believed reliable but not guaranteed as to accuracy. Reports are subject to change at any time.

The Better Business Bureau reports on members and non-members. Membership in the BBB is voluntary, and members must meet and maintain BBB standards. If a company is a member of the BBB, it is stated in this report.

Helping Consumers and Business to Maintain an Ethical Marketplace

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April 6th, 2006 KenC Re: Bye Bye Invicta Let me reiterate: A couple of summers ago, I attempted to send a Classic Lupah and a white dial Date-Master GMT (#9402) in for repair. I actually tried calling them every day or so for several weeks without getting and answer (well, an occassional answering machine, but no return call).

Now what kind of idiot is going to put his watch in a box, along with a check, to a

customer service department that can't, or wont, even answer the phone or return a call..................hell, even ShopNBC (which you think is the pits) can do that! So let's not trivialize the effort I made to contact a customer service department.

Originally, I thought I was dealing with a real company, and since I had never had a "communications" problem with any other Real company I had ever dealt with, YES, I expected them to either answer the phone or return the call.

Again, if you are capable, please note that I attempted to contact them over a period of several (let me define that as about 8) WEEKS on an almost daily basis..............for you, that is approximatley 40 attempts. Now you may want to continue to defend the indefensible positions of this rediculous "Carnival Company" and continue to hawk their goods, and that's fine, if you have the stomach for it.................it says volumes.

I am also sure that others have not had the same "wonderful" experiences you have had as a vendor of a bullshit company like Invicta. Say, I have an idea.

Instead of using this forum to promote yourself as a dealer, why don't you read about all of the negative cs experiences people are posting on here, and then, as an independent representative of Invicta, you can contact Eyal and insure that these "miscues" are readily taken care of.

Let me give you an example of cs. I burned out a SanDisk "thumbdrive" (about a $30 product). I called cs, they were backed up, I left some info, they called me back about 4 hours later, they emailed me a FedEx sticker for the product return, they require NO MONEY BE SENT FOR WARRANTY WORK and I received a brand new MiniCruzer a week late. All this on a 2-year old product!..................Invicta is BS! [QUOTE=Dragoon]Ken...yeah...i might be looking to get one of those Trias pieces....nice looking!

Now dont tell me you are upset with Invicta customer service because they did not return you call!!!!!

That is why you are consider their customer service department the worst in the business??????

I have to say that I think you could of at least put your watches in a box....spent $15 or $30 depending on if you wanted one or both repaired or replaced....and played along with the warranty instructions and at least given them a chance.

I am not sure I really think you have that much of a case to beef about their customer service since you didnt even send your watches to them for repair. And that is just my personal opinion and you can certainly "bear a grudge" about them not returning your phone calls. I thought you had some catastrophic story or blunder.

I have sent a number of watches to them for repair and really have been quite satisfied with the repair work. I know some folks have not been satisfied and there have been some who have been furious for good reason. But, my personal

experience has been good.

They have sent post cards with pics of the watches sent in and an estimate of when they would be returned. They started this about 6 months ago. They also now send out post cards when they register your extended warranty application with the date the warranty is valid until and the warranty number. I have been impressed with their customer service as of the last year or so.

Just my personal experience and I am sure not everyone has had the same positive experience as me.

[QUOTE=KenC]Thank you, the Trias Swiss Made Cushion Case is a wonderful watch as are all their "Swiss mades"..........even the Asian Made Pilot's automatic I have has very nice F&F and a great, accurate hand-windable, hacking movement in it.

A couple of summers ago, I attempted to send a Classic Lupah and a white dial Date-Master GMT (#9402) in for repair. I actually tried calling them every day or so for several weeks without getting and answer (well, an occassional answering machine, but no return call). I gave up, threw the watches in a drawer, and look at them from time-to-time, to remind me.........just in case I get tempted................BTW, did not buy from SNBC, bought from an excellent independent dealer (Lynn Slocum) and the watches were working fine when I received them.

So, what does it matter "how many"? I would think that one repeated watch, grossly neglected by cs, should suffice............or is there a magic number that Invicta recognizes as being worthy of a response........oh please let us know!

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Originally Posted by Dragoon Love that Trias in your sig pic, Ken!!! I was wondering how many watches you sent to Invicta Service for repair???? One....two?

And as far as calling them on the phone....not sure when you call but I get them just about every time I call. I guess you dont need the phone number any more, but, I seldom have any problems getting them on the telephone.

Just my experience.

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April 6th, 2006 Tragic Re: Bye Bye Invicta We've been here umpteen times before fellas.

Lets keep it friendly and informative please!?

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April 6th, 2006 leewmeister Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by Tragic We've been here umpteen times before fellas.

Lets keep it friendly and informative please!?

I agree with Tragic. This is starting to get a little tense.

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April 6th, 2006 deidler Re: Bye Bye Invicta

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Originally Posted by gic We've been here umpteen times before fellas.

Lets keep it friendly and informative please!?

Speaking about informative. Can we list the "gang of five". I'm curious as to where this term is from and who made it up. Also what circumstances this came about.

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April 6th, 2006 leewmeister Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by deidler Speaking about informative. Can we list the "gang of five". I'm curious as to where this term is from and who made it up. Also what circumstances this came about.

I think that list should remain anonymous. Wouldn't you feel crushed if you thought you made the roster and then found out you weren't on it? ;-)

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April 6th, 2006 deidler

Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by leewmeister I think that list should remain anonymous. Wouldn't you feel crushed if you thought you made the roster and then found out you weren't on it? ;-)

That's funny. I just don't remember hearing this term and would love to know what it is all about. I'm also wondering how the term came about. They can pm me. I just want to know if it is just more rudeness and hipocrasy of the "other" forum.

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April 6th, 2006 Jack Neima Re: Bye Bye Invicta I lost interest in Invicta since the death of the orig. 8926.....however my wife was in Taiwan to visit family and brought back the gold and blue dial version of it, she gave it to her brother, he thought it was too big. With the gold oyste brace I though it was a little much. Ordered a Banda blue croc with gold deployant for it......it may work. Runs great with orig plastic on brac etc.

Go Banda Go!

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April 6th, 2006 o.a gaspar Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by Tragic We've been here umpteen times before fellas.

Lets keep it friendly and informative please!?

Don't Worry Mods....Rob and Me go Back a Long Time and Actually Live 1/2 Hour From Each other |>|> The Only Threats We Ever Make to Each Other is To Have a Few Beers and Some Whiteys Chili Togeter :-D:-D Please Don't Make Us Go To The Cafe :-D:-D

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April 6th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta Ken....

I was posting here prior to you by a year or two and we were bashing Invicta customer service back then.

I know you would like to pigeonhole me as an opportunistic Invicta dealer who preys on the unsuspecting now that you have found Seiko and would never dream of purchasing a lowly Invicta watch. Funny how you have changed from staunchly defending them when you were Jim S right hand man:-D :-D . I always found that amusing anyhow.

But, the reality is that Invicta is a relatively new (10-15 years) watch company which has a lot of their watches produced for them. I have been quite open about the faults of Invicta and their customer service and also quite open about not liking every Invicta model in every price range just as you may not like the price of the Spring Drive Seiko or the desire to pay for a Seiko Grande which looks like a $240 Seiko dress watch. Doesnt mean they arent great watches. Just doesnt fit in your plan.

I can live with the faults of Invicta as my life does not demand a 100% allegiance to the rules of any particular forum club. Hey, you want to hate a company because you called them 40 times without an anwer....go for it.

I would suggest that companies can change and that Invicta was building and has moved into a new facility at 3069 Taft Street. I havent had a problem contacting them but you may find it easier to contact them now. Why not just call for your own edification.

The telephone number is: 1-800-327-7682 or 1-954-921-2444 Cheeps had posted all the Invicta phone numbers on the old forums and this is where I got these.

I realize you may not want to try to call for fear they will answer the telephone and that might upset your theory that they dont "ever" answer the telephone. But, if you really want to find out ......call them. I have had no problems.

For the record, I also sell Locman, Sector, Croton, St Honore, and a number of other selected watches. So, while I am an Invicta dealer.....it is not the only manufacturer I represent. And I buy more watches from this forum than I sell.

Lol....ask Tony D and John Liley. :-!

[QUOTE=KenC]Let me reiterate: A couple of summers ago, I attempted to send a Classic Lupah and a white dial Date-Master GMT (#9402) in for repair. I actually tried calling them every day or so for several weeks without getting and answer (well, an occassional answering machine, but no return call).

Now what kind of idiot is going to put his watch in a box, along with a check, to a customer service department that can't, or wont, even answer the phone or return a call..................hell, even ShopNBC (which you think is the pits) can do that! So let's not trivialize the effort I made to contact a customer service department.

Originally, I thought I was dealing with a real company, and since I had never had a "communications" problem with any other Real company I had ever dealt with, YES, I expected them to either answer the phone or return the call.

Again, if you are capable, please note that I attempted to contact them over a period of several (let me define that as about 8) WEEKS on an almost daily basis..............for you, that is approximatley 40 attempts. Now you may want to continue to defend the indefensible positions of this rediculous "Carnival Company" and continue to hawk their goods, and that's fine, if you have the stomach for it.................it says volumes.

I am also sure that others have not had the same "wonderful" experiences you have had as a vendor of a bullshit company like Invicta. Say, I have an idea.

Instead of using this forum to promote yourself as a dealer, why don't you read about all of the negative cs experiences people are posting on here, and then, as an independent representative of Invicta, you can contact Eyal and insure that these "miscues" are readily taken care of.

Let me give you an example of cs. I burned out a SanDisk "thumbdrive" (about a $30 product). I called cs, they were backed up, I left some info, they called me back about 4 hours later, they emailed me a FedEx sticker for the product return, they require NO MONEY BE SENT FOR WARRANTY WORK and I received a brand new MiniCruzer a week late. All this on a 2-year old product!..................Invicta is BS! [QUOTE=Dragoon]Ken...yeah...i might be looking to get one of those Trias pieces....nice looking!

Now dont tell me you are upset with Invicta customer service because they did not return you call!!!!!

That is why you are consider their customer service department the worst in the business??????

I have to say that I think you could of at least put your watches in a box....spent $15 or $30 depending on if you wanted one or both repaired or replaced....and played along with the warranty instructions and at least given them a chance.

I am not sure I really think you have that much of a case to beef about their customer service since you didnt even send your watches to them for repair. And that is just my personal opinion and you can certainly "bear a grudge" about them not returning your phone calls. I thought you had some catastrophic story or blunder.

I have sent a number of watches to them for repair and really have been quite satisfied with the repair work. I know some folks have not been satisfied and there have been some who have been furious for good reason. But, my personal experience has been good.

They have sent post cards with pics of the watches sent in and an estimate of when they would be returned. They started this about 6 months ago. They also now send out post cards when they register your extended warranty application with the date the warranty is valid until and the warranty number. I have been impressed with their customer service as of the last year or so.

Just my personal experience and I am sure not everyone has had the same positive experience as me.

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Originally Posted by KenC Thank you, the Trias Swiss Made Cushion Case is a wonderful watch as are all their "Swiss mades"..........even the Asian Made Pilot's automatic I have has very nice F&F and a great, accurate hand-windable, hacking movement in it.

A couple of summers ago, I attempted to send a Classic Lupah and a white dial Date-Master GMT (#9402) in for repair. I actually tried calling them every day or so for several weeks without getting and answer (well, an occassional answering machine, but no return call). I gave up, threw the watches in a drawer, and look at them from time-to-time, to remind me.........just in case I get tempted................BTW, did not buy from SNBC, bought from an excellent independent dealer (Lynn Slocum) and the watches were working fine when I received them.

So, what does it matter "how many"? I would think that one repeated watch, grossly neglected by cs, should suffice............or is there a magic number that Invicta recognizes as being worthy of a response........oh please let us know!

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April 7th, 2006 deidler Re: Bye Bye Invicta Hmmmm, Haven't received a pm yet. Not posted on here either. Maybe I'm in a gang I didn't know about.:roll::think: Guess I'll chalk it up to hypocrisy. Maybe you can pm me at that other forum. Oh wait, my username is invalid, magically.B-)

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April 7th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta tHANKS FOR rUNNING THE REPORT, bIG cHRONO!!!! i THINK THIS illustrates that Invicta is doing a pretty darn good job with their CS!!!!

I dont know that actual number of watches they have sold in the last 3 years....but to have only 9 unresolved/answered complaints is pretty good in my book. I usually think there are a few folks who are never gooing to be pleased/resolved to their satisfaction.

I know there are some who will look at these results and be horrified that 9 folks were not answered/resolved. Well, I have never said Invicta was perfect and I have no control nor know the circumstances surrounding those 9 compaints. It does appear to me that Invicta is doing a decent job, IMO.

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Originally Posted by BIG CHRONO BBB of Southeast Florida 2924 North Australian Ave. West Palm Beach, FL 33407 (561) 842-1918 INVICTA WATCH COMPANY OF AMERICA 3069 Taft Street Hollywood, FL 33021 View Location Map

Principal: Eyal Lalo, President Local Phone Number: (954) 921-2444 Fax Number: (954) 921-2508 Membership Status: This company is not a member.

TOB Classification: Watches-Service & Repair The information in this report has either been provided by the company, or has been compiled by the Bureau from other sources.

Customer Experience Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau due to unanswered complaints.

When evaluating complaint information, please consider the company's size and volume of business. The number of complaints filed against the company may not be as important as the type of complaints and how the company handled them.

162 consumers have requested a reliability report on this company in the past 36 months.

The Bureau processed a total of 21 complaints about this company in the last 36 months, our standard reporting period. Of the total 21 complaints in the last 36 months, 12 of those were closed in the last 12 months.

Complaints Concerned Sales Practice Issues: 2 Outcome of all complaints Resolved: 1; No Response: 1 Delivery Issues: 7 Outcome of all complaints Resolved: 1; Unresolved: 1; No Response: 5 Repair Issues: 2 Outcome of all complaints Resolved: 1; Administratively Closed: 1 Service Issues: 4 Outcome of all complaints Resolved: 3; No Response: 1 Product Issues: 1 Outcome of the complaint No Response: 1 Contract Issues: 4 Outcome of all complaints Resolved: 2; No Response: 2 Billing or Collection Issues: 1 Outcome of the complaint Unresolved: 1

Licensing Information This company is in an industry that may require licensing, bonding or registration in order to lawfully do business. The Bureau encourages you to check with the appropriate agency to be certain any requirements are currently being met.

ADDITIONAL TRADENAMES, ADDRESSES AND TELEPHONE NUMBERS

(800) 327-7682 This is not necessarily a complete list.

Company Management Nadia Lalo, Secretary and Gany Cohen, Vice President.

Additional File Information The Bureau has requested basic information from this company. The Bureau has not received a response. Without this information, the Bureau may not have current information concerning such things as the company's management or its nature of business.

The information in this report has either been provided by the company, or has been compiled by the Bureau from other sources.

BBB reports may not be reproduced for sales or promotional purposes.

Report as of: 4/6/2006 Copyright: 2006 BBB of Southeast Florida As a matter of policy, the Better Business Bureau does not endorse any product, service, or company. BBB reports generally cover a three-year reporting period, and are provided solely to assist you in exercising your own best judgment. Information contained in this report is believed reliable but not guaranteed as to accuracy. Reports are subject to change at any time.

The Better Business Bureau reports on members and non-members.

Membership in the BBB is voluntary, and members must meet and maintain BBB standards. If a company is a member of the BBB, it is stated in this report.

Helping Consumers and Business to Maintain an Ethical Marketplace

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April 7th, 2006 KenC Re: Bye Bye Invicta

Alright GOON.............I'm about fed up with your personal bullshit.

1) I was never JS's "right hand man", and for you to spin that is pure crap......I defended his integrity when he announced the position with SNBC as I felt he hadn't done anything at that time to deserve the personal attacks he was getting.

Since that time, I have discovered that he is liitle more than an unscrupulous lowlife and con- artist who preys on others. Again, fool me once, shame on you.....fool me twice, shame on me.

2) You have likened yourself to JS and I think that is entirely appropriate.

3) You may be "open" about the faults of Invicta.........and then you turn around and try to explain them away....that, once again, is bullshit! As a matter of fact, you have not been honest about Invicta.........or we wouldn't be having this exchange.........perhaps I'm wrong...so, WOULD ALL OF YOU WHO WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THE GOON'S POSTION THAT INVICTA HAS GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE AND HONORS THEIR WARRANTIES IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER, PLEASE JUMP IN ON THIS THREAD AND SUPPORT HIM? Others who do not agree are also welcome to join in.....at least by me, as my Kool-Ade is all gone!4) I didn't just discover Seiko......I discovered them in Hong Kong in 1969.

5) I figure 40 chances to honor a warranty for your product is more than sufficient............obviously you don't, which, IMHO, takes you right out of the potential MENSA category.

6) The number I had for Invicta was valid.........otherwise I would not have gotten their answering machine.

7) I would not like to pigeon hole you as an opportunistic Invicta dealer.......you have done that all by yourself. You are the only dealer that comes on this forum and continually makes excuses for their behavior.

8) I also believe that companies can change, but there has been no evidence according to recent posts here (well, except for all of your BS) 9) Stop the Seiko BS also, it doen't matter what a watch looks like or how much it cost...........the issue here is CUSTOMER SERVICE and BUSINESS ETHICS and you keep avoiding it with tangient BS. 10) Who cares what you sell.........that information, once again, Mr. NonOpportunistic Watch Dealer, has nothing to do with this discussion and appropriately belongs on the Sales Forum .......not HERE. BOTTOM LINE.............why should I pick up the phone and call them after 40 attempts............even if they did answer now........it would not negate the 40 attempts already made......if there were serious signs of a change of direction, I might take another look at Invicta, but right now, all I can go on is that they have chosen Jim Skelton, SNBC and YOU to represent them........and that speaks volumes.

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April 7th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta

Quite hilarious , Ken!!!

I do not liken my self to Jim Skelton. Jim is much more ambitious than myself. And I dont make wild claims about Invicta watches. IN fact, I am very specific about which Invicta watches I think are a good value.

And if you go back to the old forum and read your posts .....I think it is very apparent that you staunchly defended Jim on an ongoing basis quite a while....while it was popular to be his "buddy". You certainly are now on the other side of the fence which is OK by me.

Not sure you really care about what kind of customer service Invicta currently has.

Which again, is ok by me. I think there was a time when folks were having problems contacting them....seem to remember a number of folks complaining about this. I havent heard of this in a while. Part of the reason I asked you to call for yourself. You dont seem to believe much of anyone else.....which, again, is ok by me.

What is the whole "40 chances to honor a warranty" about? I understand you had difficulty contacting them, but, the warranty specifically states you have to send the watch to them for repair. I guess I dont consider your effort was exactly in line with their warranty policy.

Again, Ken, I am not making any excuses or apologizing in any way for my association with Invicta. I dont sell much to forum members and dont consideer it a big deal to mention it on occasion as other members mention other dealers without much ado. You yourself mention Mark at Long Island quite a bit and others mention "Watchrick" and on and on. Why the big deal if I should mention that I am an Invicta dealer???? Because you dont approve? Too bad!

As far as any personal character issues in representing Invicta....I think you are off your rocker!!! Have another beer, Ken! All in fun!:-) :-D

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Originally Posted by KenC Alright GOON.............I'm about fed up with your personal bullshit.

1) I was never JS's "right hand man", and for you to spin that is pure crap......I defended his integrity when he announced the position with SNBC as I felt he hadn't done anything at that time to deserve the personal attacks he was getting. Since that time, I have discovered that he is liitle more than an unscrupulous low-life and con- artist who preys on others. Again, fool me once, shame on you.....fool me twice, shame on me.

2) You have likened yourself to JS and I think that is entirely appropriate.

3) You may be "open" about the faults of Invicta.........and then you turn around and try to explain them away....that, once again, is bullshit! As a matter of fact, you have not been honest about Invicta.........or we wouldn't be having this exchange.........perhaps I'm wrong...so, WOULD ALL OF YOU WHO WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THE GOON'S POSTION THAT INVICTA HAS GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE AND HONORS THEIR WARRANTIES IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER, PLEASE JUMP IN ON THIS THREAD AND SUPPORT HIM? Others who do not agree are also welcome to join in.....at least by me, as my Kool-Ade is all gone!4) I didn't just discover Seiko......I discovered them in Hong Kong in 1969.

5) I figure 40 chances to honor a warranty for your product is more than sufficient............obviously you don't, which, IMHO, takes you right out of the potential MENSA category.

6) The number I had for Invicta was valid.........otherwise I would not have gotten their answering machine.

7) I would not like to pigeon hole you as an opportunistic Invicta dealer.......you have done that all by yourself. You are the only dealer that comes on this forum and continually makes excuses for their behavior.

8) I also believe that companies can change, but there has been no evidence according to recent posts here (well, except for all of your BS) 9) Stop the Seiko BS also, it doen't matter what a watch looks like or how much it cost...........the issue here is CUSTOMER SERVICE and BUSINESS ETHICS and you keep avoiding it with tangient BS. 10) Who cares what you sell.........that information, once again, Mr. NonOpportunistic Watch Dealer, has nothing to do with this discussion and appropriately belongs on the Sales Forum .......not HERE. BOTTOM LINE.............why should I pick up the phone and call them after 40 attempts............even if they did answer now........it would not negate the 40 attempts already made......if there were serious signs of a change of direction, I might take another look at Invicta, but right now, all I can go on is that they have chosen Jim Skelton, SNBC and YOU to represent them........and that speaks volumes.

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April 7th, 2006 leewmeister Re: Bye Bye Invicta

Gentlemen, Things here seem to be quickly

devolving into an argument that can have no winners. Some folks have had positive experiences with Invicta CS and some have not. Let it go at that. Kindly drop that topic in this thread from this point forward.

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April 7th, 2006 o.a gaspar Re: Bye Bye Invicta

Rob...That BBB report has been posted for the umpteenth time and we have already concluded that it was W.Palm Beach Only...not the Rest of the U.S http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_19_1.gifI Will Agree with You on one Point about Invicta.. and that is that They Have Changed since We All were Totally Enthralled by the Brand...They Have Become WORSE :-(The Lies are Bolder The product Is More Expensive and Yet Cheaper by Comparison and to Add Fuel to the Flames they and Most products featured on Slop are Available from Overstock to TJ Maxx for Consideraby Less Than Anywhere Else....Invicta Is Underselling Their Dealers In Every way possible :|and Furthermore The Hatred Found On Other Forums as I mentioned has Even Spread to the Invicta Forums

in the Past year....Coincidentally Coinciding With the Hiring of a Less Than Scrupulous Host To Slop <|<| This Falling out of Love With Invicta Only Became worse When YKW Started Hawking Them..He and Eyal Giggling and Thumbing their noses at the Consumers along with YKW's Constant Sniffling and Snorting is the most Classless Display I Have Ever witnessed ...and This Of Course Has Been My Honest Observation as a Consumer :roll:

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April 7th, 2006 leewmeister Re: Bye Bye Invicta

Gentlemen, Things here seem to be quickly devolving into an argument that can have no winners. Some folks have had positive experiences with Invicta CS and some have not. Let it go at that. Kindly drop that topic in this thread from this point forward.

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Eddyboy Re: Bye Bye Invicta Don't worry about it, Lee...Nobody here with any sense reads a post longer than 20 lines anyway. Only the combatants and the mods read it B-)

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Gentlemen, Things here seem to be quickly devolving into an argument that can have no winners. Some folks have had positive experiences with Invicta CS and some have not. Let it go at that.

Kindly drop that topic in this thread from this point forward.

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April 7th, 2006

jakisbck Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddyboy Don't worry about it, Lee...Nobody here with any sense reads a post longer than 20 lines anyway. Only the combatants and the mods read it B-)

Eddy I read them all sounded pretty funny to me :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

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April 7th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta I thought most of them pretty funny, too, Jack!!!!!

Nothing like getting all wound up over a watch!!!!:-D :-D

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April 7th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta I guess this is where we differ, Oscar. I never was "totally enthralled" with the brand and still am selective about which pieces I consider a good value.

I DONT watch SNBC nor JIM and Eyal make any claims...havent for a year or two.

I suggest if it is such a terrible experience for you that you consider not watching either. It is a shopping channel. Need I say more. I would probably watch some of it if I still had DirecTV but I discontinued that due to lack of use.

The rest of your statements really have very little basis in fact, IMO. If you do not purchase their watches how do you know what kind of quality they have? What other watches are you comparing them to? Obviously it is your opinion and I do respect that. I just dont agree with you.

Who is YKW? JIm? I think he is probably doing a good job as far as THEY are concerned. This is a multi million dollar business and the shopping channels do not just leave someone there to be nice. It could all change next week...but for now they do appear to be happy with his performance. Again, I have no opinon on his performance and it doesnt affect me personally nor my sales. I wish him the best.

As far as the hatred on the other forums....lets face it...watch snobs are a breed unto themselves. timex guys are hated and thought idiots by Croton watch lovers.

Croton watch guys are hated and thought idiots by Invicta watch lovers.

Invicta watch guys are hated and thought idiots by Seiko watch lovers.

Seiko watch lovers are hated and though idiots by Oris watch lovers.

Oris watch lovers are hated and thought idiots by Ebel watch lovers.

Ebel watch lovers are hated and thought idiots by Omega watch lovers.

Omega watch lovers are hated and thought idiots by Gerard Perragaux watch lovers GP watch lovers are hated and thought idiots by Rolex watch lovers.

Rolex watch lovers are hated and thought idiots by Jaeger Le Coultre watch lovers.

JLC watch lovers are hated and thought idiots by Audemars Piguet watch lovers.

On and on and on and on.

Such is life.

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Rob...That BBB report has been posted for the umpteenth time and we have already concluded that it was W.Palm Beach Only...not the Rest of the U.S http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_19_1.g ifI Will Agree with You on one Point about Invicta.. and that is that They Have Changed since We All were Totally Enthralled by the Brand...They Have Become WORSE :-(The Lies are Bolder The product Is More Expensive and Yet Cheaper by Comparison and to Add Fuel to the Flames they and Most products featured on Slop are Available from Overstock to TJ Maxx for Consideraby Less Than Anywhere Else....Invicta Is Underselling Their Dealers In Every way possible :-|and Furthermore The Hatred Found On Other Forums as I mentioned has Even Spread to the Invicta Forums in the Past year....Coincidentally Coinciding With the Hiring of a Less Than Scrupulous Host To Slop <|<| This Falling out of Love With Invicta Only Became worse When YKW Started Hawking Them..He and Eyal Giggling and Thumbing their noses at the Consumers along with YKW's Constant Sniffling and Snorting is the most Classless Display I Have Ever witnessed ...and This Of Course Has Been My Honest Observation as a Consumer :roll:

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April 7th, 2006

BIG CHRONO Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoon tHANKS FOR rUNNING THE REPORT, bIG cHRONO!!!! i THINK THIS illustrates that Invicta is doing a pretty darn good job with their CS!!!!

I dont know that actual number of watches they have sold in the last 3 years....but to have only 9 unresolved/answered complaints is pretty good in my book. I usually think there are a few folks who are never gooing to be pleased/resolved to their satisfaction.

I know there are some who will look at these results and be horrified that 9 folks were not answered/resolved. Well, I have never said Invicta was perfect and I have no control nor know the circumstances surrounding those 9 compaints. It does appear to me that Invicta is doing a decent job, IMO.

You're welcome, Dragoon. In fact, the BBB stresses not to focus on the total number of complaints, but their nature, & how they are handled & hopefully resolved by the company. It would be in Invicta's favor if it became a BBB member, & worked with it, & its clients to resolve problems. This would create a more positive image for Invicta with the public, thereby enhancing CS, sales, & deflating the venomous nature on this thread. {Incidentally, the report is based on feedback from everywhere, not regionally.} :thanks

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April 7th, 2006 Eddyboy Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoon I thought most of them pretty funny, too, Jack!!!!!

Nothing like getting all wound up over a watch!!!!:-D :-D

It's like Ralph and Alice dash of rancor thrown in..

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April 7th, 2006 o.a gaspar Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddyboy It's like Ralph and Alice dash of rancor thrown in..

Kramden only there's a real

Can I Be Ralph |> Heyyyyy Alice ...To The Moooooon :-D:-D

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April 7th, 2006 deidler

Re: Bye Bye Invicta How many unhappy people do you think contact the bbb? Not many. People don't waste their time these days. They expect bad service from about everywhere and let it go. So I don't know that it holds any value or can speak for any service or disservice anyone gets. Kind of a joke these days imo. Just not a great barometer to prove any point negative or positive imo.

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April 7th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta

You "guys" crack me up!!!! <Content removed by moderator - Invicta CS topic closed in this thread>.

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April 13th, 2006 Diego Montoya Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoon

I certainly do not condone such behavior but realize that Invicta is probably not the only vendor with such behavior. These types of shows sometimes bring out the worst in vendors as they lavish attention on the decisionmaking high $$$ folks and sort of have a tendacy to dismiss the casual onlookers.

Perhaps not, but Nvicta IS the only vendor displaying fare not fit to STEAL. It's like a crack whore turning up her nose at you like she was a Madison Avenue call girl.

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April 13th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta Not sure if I want to laugh or feel sorry for you, Dusty!!! Oh well...nice to see you posting again!!!

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April 13th, 2006 TMK Re: Bye Bye Invicta Dragoon-Sorry but you must have missed the point entirely. The gentleman did not go to Invicta's office, he went to a PUBLIC trade show. Whether he had the ability to buy

one watch or one thousand was of no moment and less consequence.

He was treated like S#@! and that, of course, has become the Invicta Modus Operandi for their customers and their small dealers (talk about the dinosaurs being extinct).

I've been around a long time now and can truly say that no watch company takes its customers for granted like Invicta...if it wasn't for the incessant ShopNBC shilling they'd be out of business. Honestly, do you know any WIS that takes them seriously?

JM2C, YMMV Regards, Ted

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April 13th, 2006 Diego Montoya Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoon Not sure if I want to laugh or feel sorry for you, Dusty!!! Oh well...nice to see you posting again!!!

Oh! That analogy I made - you thought I was speaking from my own personal experience? Umm.... no, that is only what I heard. I, of course, really wouldn't know. laugh

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April 13th, 2006 Dragoon

Re: Bye Bye Invicta TMK, Seriously ? As in needing a watch and feeling Invicta is a good low priced watch to consider for a purchase. Yeah, I know a lot of folks who consider then a very good alternative to the cookie cutter watches out there in the retail marketplace.

In the high end watch segment I think they still have to prove that they are a watch company that can contend with the established mid to high end brands.

That is not a segment that is easily entered and I think Invicta is doing what they need to be doing but time will tell.

We are talking watches....arent we? Something that sits on the wrist and you look at it to tell time? While not heirloom pieces for the most part....they are effective devices for telling time! :-D Why do you think they are one of the hottest selling watches in the US as we speak? Because a lot of folks do consider them attractive, reasonably priced, and decent quality.

If you want a Sinn, Omega, Rolex, Breitling or other mid to high end brand.....then we can start a different discussion.

Ted, I have seen you post before and I did nt miss any point in my post. I dont know if you just read the last few posts in this thread but I definitely addressed how Simon was treated at the Baselworld show a number of times in this thread. I am not defending the way he was treated and if you read the entire thread you would see that I have stated this numerous times. I know Simon fairly well and have sold him a few watches also. I do wish him the best!

Nice to see you post on here again. Hows the bike? Still posting over on PMWF? Been to any watch conventions lately?

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Originally Posted by TMK Dragoon-Sorry but you must have missed the point entirely. The gentleman did not go to Invicta's office, he went to a PUBLIC trade show. Whether he had the

ability to buy one watch or one thousand was of no moment and less consequence.

He was treated like S#@! and that, of course, has become the Invicta Modus Operandi for their customers and their small dealers (talk about the dinosaurs being extinct).

I've been around a long time now and can truly say that no watch company takes its customers for granted like Invicta...if it wasn't for the incessant ShopNBC shilling they'd be out of business. Honestly, do you know any WIS that takes them seriously?

JM2C, YMMV Regards, Ted

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April 13th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta NOt ot worry, Dusty! That was certainly a most colorful analogy and I was hoping it was a figment of your imagination and not from actual experience.

How many Invicta watches have you owned?

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April 13th, 2006 TMK Re: Bye Bye Invicta I guess I took your analogy of a patient walking into a doctor's office in the wrong way. No offense intended but it did seem like you were saying Simon was wasting their time as an uninsured patient would be wasting a doctor's time...MY BAD! Ted

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Originally Posted by Dragoon TMK, Seriously ? As in needing a watch and feeling Invicta is a good low priced watch to consider for a purchase. Yeah, I know a lot of folks who consider then a very good alternative to the cookie cutter watches out there in the retail marketplace.

In the high end watch segment I think they still have to prove that they are a watch company that can contend with the established mid to high end brands.

That is not a segment that is easily entered and I think Invicta is doing what they need to be doing but time will tell.

We are talking watches....arent we? Something that sits on the wrist and you look at it to tell time? While not heirloom pieces for the most part....they are effective devices for telling time! :-D Why do you think they are one of the hottest selling watches in the US as we speak? Because a lot of folks do consider them attractive, reasonably priced, and decent quality.

If you want a Sinn, Omega, Rolex, Breitling or other mid to high end brand.....then we can start a different discussion.

Ted, I have seen you post before and I did nt miss any point in my post. I dont know if you just read the last few posts in this thread but I definitely

addressed how Simon was treated at the Baselworld show a number of times in this thread. I am not defending the way he was treated and if you read the entire thread you would see that I have stated this numerous times. I know Simon fairly well and have sold him a few watches also. I do wish him the best!

Nice to see you post on here again. Hows the bike? Still posting over on PMWF? Been to any watch conventions lately?

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April 13th, 2006 PotomacHighlander Re: Bye Bye Invicta Having just joined this site, I have been doing some reading, and I see the same trend here as I do on seveal other fora when Invicta,Eyal and SNBC are the topic.

Being treated badly when attending an event that is gearing toward introducing the company's models for the next year is not a welcome thing, and I cannot see a way to be an apologist for it. It was wrong for those women to treat anyone walkng into that display area badly. Many important buyers will send someone in "undercover" just to see how they are treated when they are not recognized as a serious player. They will then take a decision based on that person's treatment. It is not a good idea to treat ANYONE badly, because it may just cost them a lucrative contract or large sale.

Most high end shops that sell watches have A policy that every person entering the store is treated like a valued potential customer, no matter how they are dressed or present themselves. The upper management will send in ringers just to test the employees. I consider that a very good tactic, and it works very well in the stores where that is practiced.

I have several Invictas, from across the spectrum as far as cost goes. In my opinion, if you buy a watch from them that costs over $300, it is a crapshoot as far as quality goes. Some they get right, and some they completely butcher.

As far as SNBC goes, I am not a huge fan of their ongoing business practices, but I still buy watches from them regularly. I just take into account up front that they will not blink at the idea of shipping out a returned watch. I have gotten one. I ended up eating that one because I was injured very seriously just after purchasing it, and I could not get it returned before the 30 day return period had expired.

I take into account that I have 30 days to return something, no matter what. I have used that option a few times, but not very often. I usually know what I am after when I buy it. < Content regarding Invicta CS removed by moderator. That topic is CLOSED in this thread!!!>

I dont know how true it is, but ... I was told within the last few days that the Invicta Watch Group is for sale, and Eyal is pushingup his volume to make the company more attractive. I cannot confirm this, and I got it from a person in management of a rival company. I cannot divulge the name of this person, and you will have to evaluate this part of my post accordingly. I just think it is interesting enough to mention. It might explain some of EL's behavior of late. I also got the impression that this has been out there on the industry grapevine for quite some time now. < Content regarding Invicta CS removed by moderator. That topic is CLOSED in this thread!!!> Of course this could all be a bunch of hooey and they were just a couple of arrogant women that didn't give a damn about how they treated a person they judged as unimportant. Whatever happened to the notion that the customer is always right? It's not just Invicta that has been acting like this.

As a counterpoint to this type of behavior, I have an Orient Ana-Digi that I screwed up wheni tried to set the time recently. I emailed SWI, and Lior read it while he was in BAsel. He must have gotten in touch with his home office, because a woman from his office in Florida contacted me by email asking me to confirm which watch I had, and my shipping info. Four days later I had three different sets of instructions for the watch. Now THAT is customer service. Even if he is selling grey market watches, he packs up his product very well. Eyal should take a few pages out of his book.

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April 13th, 2006 KenC Re: Bye Bye Invicta Oh, c'mon guys...........you know that everybody else is wrong and the GOON is right...................after all, he is an Authorized Invicta Dealer........and we are but common customers. :-D

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April 13th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta

Gee,...Ken...are u running out of valid arguments and just resorting to finger pointing now!! Not surprised. :-D Also, just as an aside, if I didnt state I was an Invicta dealer you would probably state that I was a "mole" for Invicta on this website.

Better to be above board and let everyone know up front. I really do NOT sell many watches on this website. Like maybe 3 or 4 a year. I dont make a living off what I sell anyhow.

WUS is just the "fun" side of my watch hobby!!:-D :-D Posting on here and hearing your silly accusations. :-D :-D

Many times you do not even respond to my answers to your invalid argumentative points...you just start babbling about another whole series of alleged "indescretions" or moral judgements.

I dont think you would be happy if you were nt complaining!

I guess that is what some folks live for!!! Have a good Easter!:-D :-D Also, the previous poster had positive comments about Invicta watches. Gee, Ken, you better start agressively attacking him!!:-D Remember your motto..."attack attack...regardless of the facts...just attack!" :-D :-D Just having a little fun with ya ken because you just are such a good sport!!!! Have a good Easter!!!!:-D :-D BTW, I meant to ask you why you just didnt call Lynn Slocum( the Invicta delaer you stated you used to purchase the watches) and get some info from him on submitting your Invicta watches for repair instead of trying to call Invicta for 2 months without success? I always had good service and response from Lynne on all the watches I bought from him.

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Originally Posted by KenC Oh, c'mon guys...........you know that everybody else is wrong and the GOON is right...................after all, he is an Authorized Invicta Dealer........and we are but common customers. :-D

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April 13th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta Ted...the doctor example was in response to one of the members who stated he was a doctor and would never treat a patient like he had a dollar sign attached to him.

My example was just to illustrate that even MD's or at least their accountants would eventually bring them back to reality if they provided all their services without compensation ....the business end of the practice.

It wasnt meant as any defense of the way Simon was treated but merely to point out that there is a real business end to these "Watch Trade Shows" just as their is a business end to the medical profession.

If you read my other posts you will also see that I have stated that although Simon was not treated fairly or in a nice way that this behavior, in my opinion, is probably not exclusive to Invicta, as many times Tim T and others on returning from these shows would comment (on snbc when I watches it) on some manufacturers not even allowing the general public in their boothes.

While it still does not make this treatment acceptable....I personally think we need to accept the business end for these dealers and not be too critical since it is "their" business and livelihood that depends on it.

Would they do better in their business if they did practice etiquette and good manners with everyone? Truthfully, we would hope the world would reward them

for their virtue but a lot of virtuous businesses have gone "out" of business.

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April 14th, 2006 KenC Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoon

Gee,...Ken...are u running out of valid arguments and just resorting to finger pointing now!! Not surprised.

Just having a little fun with ya ken because you just are such a good sport!!!! Have a good Easter!!!!:-D :-D

BTW, I meant to ask you why you just didnt call Lynn Slocum( the Invicta delaer you stated you used to purchase the watches) and get some info from him on submitting your Invicta watches for repair instead of trying to call Invicta for 2 months without success? I always had good service and response from Lynne on all the watches I bought from him.

1) A little Freudian slip? I know my arguments are valid. It's just a little exhausting arguing with someone who has a monetary agenda. Whether you make your living off of it or not is superfluous - it does present a reason for bias.........and with your acceptance of the "standards" of half truths and "spinning"..........it makes that bias just a little bit dangerous to watch purchasers.

2) Just having a little fun with ya goon because you just are such a good sport!!!!

Have a good Easter!!!!:-D :-D 3) I did not involve Lynn, because at the time, Invicta had just finished royally screwing Lynn over (but, of course, all watch companies do that :-S ). It was around the time he resigned as an Invicta Forum Moderator (slightly before), because, as he said, he was tired of putting up with Eyal's lies and bullshit. Bottom line, he was sick of Invicta and I simply didn't want to bother him with it...and yes, Lynn Slocum was, and is, great. GLAD YOU ASKED! :-!

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April 14th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta I am not sure what you mean about a "freudian slip". Oh, the "valid argument".....well ....you have a few good points. What company doesnt want to get better? But, as far as an agenda....I think you again are completely off base and show that your agenda to debunk and defame Invicta is based purely on your desire to cast them in a bad light. It has nothing to do with the fact that they are in business and play by the rules of business in 2006.

If you are too morally righteous to tolerate their behavior I can appreciate that you may not want to purchase their watches. But to go on as you do as if you have been irrepairably harmed....is just pure nonsense. Especially when you are unwilling to contact your dealer who is a friend of yours because you didnt want to bother him. I know Lynn and know he would not of been bothered or minded helping you in this matter.

YOu seem to have a lot of reasons for not sending your wathces in for warranty repair and most of it looks to be laziness on your part. Too "considerate" to call Lynne....to unsure to just send them in to Invicta.....too infuriated that they wouldnt return your call. Jesus, can anyone ever please you, buddy???? Glad I dont live on your block. For sure my grass would be too hight or my car wouldnt be parked in the correct position in my drive. Get a life Ken. How long ago did Invicta "do you wrong"? 3 or 4 years ago? Isnt it time you moved on ....maybe found a new cause to focus your aggression on? How about something positive? :-S Do you have any Invicta watches left or did you sell them all to unsuspecting victims? You devil!!!!:-D :-D As far as accepting the way Eyal runs his company and the watches he produces.....I accept them and others seem to enjoy them. I enjoy my Invicta watches and they keep time just fine.

As far as "dangerous" and watch purchases...I think you have been out in the field a little too long, Ken. I admit my bias up front prior to any discussions. Of course, you take it as "advertising" that I am a dealer. I dont mention it for a few threads or posts and all of a sudden I am dangerous.

There is no pleasing Ken C!!!!:-) :-) :-) He is a grumpy old man!!!!:-) :-) :-) IF you say Invicta around Ken he will point his finger at you!!!:-) :-D :-D And call you an "evil doer"!!!!!:-) :-D damn Ken ...you live in Washington??

You have to admit Ken...there arent a whole lot of guys around like you. Thanks goodness! Life is just too damn short. Isnt it?

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Originally Posted by KenC 1) A little Freudian slip? I know my arguments are valid. It's just a little exhausting arguing with someone who has a monetary agenda. Whether you make your living off of it or not is superfluous - it does present a reason for bias.........and with your acceptance of the "standards" of half truths and "spinning"..........it makes that bias just a little bit dangerous to watch purchasers.

2) Just having a little fun with ya goon because you just are such a good sport!!!! Have a good Easter!!!!:-D :-D 3) I did not involve Lynn, because at the time, Invicta had just finished royally screwing Lynn over (but, of course, all watch companies do that :-S ). It was around the time he resigned as an Invicta Forum Moderator (slightly before), because, as he said, he was tired of putting up with Eyal's lies and bullshit.

Bottom line, he was sick of Invicta and I simply didn't want to bother him with it...and yes, Lynn Slocum was, and is, great. GLAD YOU ASKED! :-!

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April 14th, 2006 leewmeister Re: Bye Bye Invicta

Okay guys, You've proclaimed your undying love for each other and wished each other a happy Easter. Now, please do as I suggested in the other thread and move your argument to a venue other than this Forum. Private messages, e-mail or reality TV are always options.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

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April 14th, 2006 KenC Re: Bye Bye Invicta Yadda, Yadd, Yadda.....................in ball park figures, how much did you make in the last 12 months defending ( :oops: I mean selling Invicta products)...........just so you huge fan base can jude the extent of your bias.

And I love the way you "spin" it so that Invicta's failure to provide customer service is somehow MY FAULT because I called the number they provided for same on theit International Warranty Card.

Simply because you state that they "play by the rules of business in 2006" doesn[t make it fact........and if you truly believe that, then God help anyone who does business with you. Seriously!!!!

Now, type away till your hearts content....I'm done......I've even had enough of this con!

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Originally Posted by Dragoon I am not sure what you mean about a "freudian slip". Oh, the "valid argument".....well ....you have a few good points. What company doesnt want to get better? But, as far as an agenda....I think you again are completely off base and show that your agenda to debunk and defame Invicta is based purely on your desire to cast them in a bad light. It has nothing to do with the fact that they are in business and play by the rules of business in 2006.

If you are too morally righteous to tolerate their behavior I can appreciate that you may not want to purchase their watches. But to go on as you do as if you have been irrepairably harmed....is just pure nonsense. Especially when you are unwilling to contact your dealer who is a friend of yours because you didnt want to bother him. I know Lynn and know he would not of been bothered or minded helping you in this matter.

YOu seem to have a lot of reasons for not sending your wathces in for warranty repair and most of it looks to be laziness on your part. Too "considerate" to call Lynne....to unsure to just send them in to Invicta.....too infuriated that they wouldnt return your call. Jesus, can anyone ever please you, buddy???? Glad I dont live on your block. For sure my grass would be too hight or my car wouldnt be parked in the correct position in my drive. Get a life Ken. How long ago did Invicta "do you wrong"? 3 or 4 years ago? Isnt it time you moved on ....maybe found a new cause to focus your aggression on? How about something positive? :-S Do you have any Invicta watches left or did you sell them all to unsuspecting victims? You devil!!!!:-D :-D As far as accepting the way Eyal runs his company and the watches he produces.....I accept them and others seem to enjoy them. I enjoy my Invicta watches and they keep time just fine.

As far as "dangerous" and watch purchases...I think you have been out in the field a little too long, Ken. I admit my bias up front prior to any discussions.

Of course, you take it as "advertising" that I am a dealer. I dont mention it for a few threads or posts and all of a sudden I am dangerous.

There is no pleasing Ken C!!!!:-) :-) :-) He is a grumpy old man!!!!:-) :-) :-) IF you say Invicta around Ken he will point his finger at you!!!:-) :-D :-D

And call you an "evil doer"!!!!!:-) :-D damn Ken ...you live in Washington??

You have to admit Ken...there arent a whole lot of guys around like you.

Thanks goodness! Life is just too damn short. Isnt it?

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April 14th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta You are done Ken because you are finally realizing that you do not have an actual basis to complain about Invicta !!! And , yes, lets finally get over your contention that it is someone elses fault that YOU didnt send in your watch for warranty repairs. Do you always feel so righteous about blaming others for what you should of done??

Glad to see you are finally waking up!!

As far as my business figures and bias....I am quite up front about my business associations and to state that dealing with anyone who sells Invicta is dangerous because of their bias is just insanity. Anyone who sells anything is going to have a bias. You have to have a bias if you sell something!!! For gods sake, what is your problem Ken? Now, for example and to clarify for you, Ken. When TNY was posting about Tim Temple and WSS last year or the year before on WUS and kept posting show times and telling about watches there and how cool they were without revealing his bias (that in fact he was an employee of WSS....not a bad thing but it does indicate a possible conflict of objective interest or bias) then that is where and when folks feel that perhaps they are being led down a rosy path and some did complain. I didnt have a problem with it but understood why some folks felt they were being deceived about his true intentions.

Again, that is my primary reason for announcing I am a dealer. Then folks know my bias and can evaluate that into my posts.(since you announce it in your posts I guess it is ok now for me to say it without you making out like I am ...oh my god...."ADVERTISING".) I sell a few watches a year to forum guys just to try an give them good service and good watches. It has little to do with making money.

As far as the quantity of sales .....I am sure no one is interested in my little business. But, I do have another full time 80 hours a week job. So, needless to say, I cant quit my day job. BUt, it is fun to be part of the watch business. It is just very time consuming to do it all yourself. The ordering, receiving, inventorying, photographing, marketing, selling, negotiating, packaging, shipping...ect. But, it

does help to pay for the watch hobby.

Thanks for asking Ken.

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Originally Posted by KenC Yadda, Yadd, Yadda.....................in ball park figures, how much did you make in the last 12 months defending ( :oops: I mean selling Invicta products)...........just so you huge fan base can jude the extent of your bias.

And I love the way you "spin" it so that Invicta's failure to provide customer service is somehow MY FAULT because I called the number they provided for same on theit International Warranty Card.

Simply because you state that they "play by the rules of business in 2006" doesn[t make it fact........and if you truly believe that, then God help anyone who does business with you. Seriously!!!!

Now, type away till your hearts content....I'm done......I've even had enough of this con!

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April 14th, 2006 GronK Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

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Ask yourself one simple question: Would you get similar treatment at another trade show like CES?

I haven't been to CES for about 10 years, but back then it was specifically intended for manufacturers, distributors, and dealers. Of course many companies invited "temporary employees" (Read: Good Customers). They were easy to spot and basically ignored when possible. If they got too assertive they were inivited to leave.

To me, the fault was not Invicta's but Basel's. It's just wrong to allow the public into what is obviously an industry show.

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April 15th, 2006 deidler Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by GronK To me, the fault was not Invicta's but Basel's. It's just wrong to allow the public into what is obviously an industry show.

BUT.......It is a public show. I'm not hopping on Invicta, I'm sure others are just as rude. But, no vendors at anytime really have an excuse to ignore or disrespect any potential customer. Not if they want to be an upstanding company. It does happen occasionally in any place. Due to the fact people have bad days and so on. So who knows the reason it happened. Could be that someone has a relative dieing or some other extreme circumstance. We just don't know. Regardless, it is bad business practice and should not be tolerated by any consumer. Common courtesy is dead these days and especially when it comes to business. It is sad really. Basel is basically billed like an Auto Show. Vendors showing off their products. Hey public lookey at what I can do. They sell tickets! It is a public show. If vendors don't want

to show their goods to their own customers.....They shouldn't show up to the show.

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April 16th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta True, True, Diedler. It is a public show.

I guess we just need to keep in the back of our mind the old favorite of bilbo baggins.... "...all that glistens is not gold!" or a modern favorite... "you cant tell a book by its cover" author unknown to me, anyhow. or how about.... "what is the sound of one hand clapping?"

Then grasshopper you will be ready for Baselworld.

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April 16th, 2006 Dragoon Promotions for Baselworld.....

I actually got a little curious about how Baselworld is promoted so did a quick search with Google and here is one listing I found.....Sort of interesting on how Baselworld is promoted.

I would say that it is promoted as an "industry trade show" in the initial part of advertisement and that "select" items are avaialable for viewing to the "consumer".

Here is a select passage that is the introduction to the trade show release:

"...BASELWORLD 2006 Date:-March 30 - April 06, 2006 Venue:-Basel Fairground Trade Fair / Exhibition covers Clock and Watch-making, Jewelry Industries.

BASELWORLD is the leading event for the watch and jewellery industry. A unique opportunity where 2,200 exhibitors - specialists in watches, jewellery, precious gems and related brands - showcase

their latest products to those in the industry. Visitors can browse through a select assortment of products in luxurious

surroundings covering over 160,000 m2 of exhibition area on several floors...."

This is just one of the trade ads I found and I really did not want to spend too much time or bandwidth on this issue....but I think it does fairly reflect that it is a trade show and that visitors can view "...a select assortment". It doesnt state visitors have free rein to every exhibit at their time and convenience.

Again, not defending anyone here....but in this instance and trade ad it does appear that it is accurately portrayed as a trade show which is "open" to visitors with certain conditions. Just my opinion and just one ad I found. Not sure what an extensive search would turn up.

Just thought it might be fun to look it up....here is the rest of the portion of articles beneath........

Here is a link and copy of a portion of the webpage: link:http://www.epressreleases.org/news-r...date=3/20/2006 ePressReleases, 03.20.06, Baselworld 2006, http://www.epressreleases.org/news-r...date=3/20/2006, 04-15-06 web promotion page for Baselworld: Baselworld 2006 BASELWORLD 2006 Date:-March 30 - April 06, 2006 Venue:-Basel Fairground Trade Fair / Exhibition covers Clock and Watch-making, Jewelry Industries.

BASELWORLD is the leading event for the watch and jewellery industry. A unique opportunity where 2,200 exhibitors - specialists in watches, jewellery, precious gems and related brands - showcase their latest products to those in the industry.

Visitors can browse through a select assortment of products in luxurious surroundings covering over 160,000 m2 of exhibition area on several floors. Many world-famous names in the watch and jewellery industry choose to show their products exclusively at BASELWORLD. Basel is your only chance to see their very latest creations. The selection of products showcased at BASELWORLD is unique.

BASELWORLD is the only place where you can find such a broad cross-section of products from the entire industry all in one place. Products sectors are clearly segmented and divided between the six exhibition halls. Watch brands, jewellery brands and related brands have their own halls and there are also national pavilions. A show designed to give you a complete market overview and provide you with an ideal business platform. Every year in spring time, over 85,000 retailers and wholesalers from all over the world make the journey to Basel to visit this presentation of the latest trends and creations offered by the watch and jewellery industry. Don't miss the unique business and networking atmosphere at the world's leading watch and jewellery show. Don't miss BASELWORLD.</FONT> Messe Basel </FONT>Basel, Switzerland

Here is the results of the destination link from that webpage and a portion of its contents: ePressreleases, 3-20-06, Baselworld2006, http://www.epressreleases.org/event-....asp?auto=1295 04-20-06 link: http://www.epressreleases.org/event-....asp?auto=1295 BASELWORLD 2006 Date:-March 30 - April 06, 2006 Venue:-Basel Fairground Trade Fair / Exhibition covers Clock and Watch-making, Jewelry Industries.

BASELWORLD is the leading event for the watch and jewellery industry. A unique opportunity where 2,200 exhibitors - specialists in watches, jewellery, precious gems and related brands - showcase their latest products to those in the industry.

Visitors can browse through a select assortment of products in luxurious surroundings covering over 160,000 m2 of exhibition area on several floors. Many world-famous names in the watch and jewellery industry choose to show their products exclusively at BASELWORLD. Basel is your only chance to see their very latest creations.

The selection of products showcased at BASELWORLD is unique. BASELWORLD is the only place where you can find such a broad cross-section of products from the entire industry all in one place. Products sectors are clearly segmented and divided between the six exhibition halls. Watch brands, jewellery brands and related brands have their own halls and there are also national pavilions. A show designed to give you a complete market overview and provide you with an ideal business platform.

Every year in spring time, over 85,000 retailers and wholesalers from all over the world make the journey to Basel to visit this presentation of the latest trends and creations offered by the watch and jewellery industry. Don't miss the unique business and networking atmosphere at the world's leading watch and jewellery show. Don't miss BASELWORLD. Company Messe Basel Location Basel, Switzerland Phone 41 61 686 20 20 Fax 41 61 686 21 89 Email messe@messebasel.ch Web http://www.messebasel.ch/

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April 16th, 2006 deidler Re: Bye Bye Invicta Don't know what that proves exactly. Not unlike our big auto show. The difference is that the auto show seems to solve the problem by having public days. They shouldn't sell tickets and/or watch companies should just have signs that say closed to the public. Or do what SEMA does and close it to the public altogether. In your own post it shows that it is open to the public. It does point out that all of the venue is not accessible. It is opened to the public and therefore the watch companies should show some respect for the visitors who want to spend money on their watches. They want their cake and eat to. They want the exposure without being bothered by their own customers. Shouldn't work that way. For goodness sake they even allow children in for free.

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April 16th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta I am not trying to prove anything, D. You stated in your post that Baselworld was billed as being like an auto show in the following quote from your previous post ..."Basel is basically billed like an Auto Show. Vendors showing off their products.

Hey public lookey at what I can do. They sell tickets! It is a public show. If vendors don't want to show their goods to their own customers.....They shouldn't show up to the show."

But, the post from the Baselworld promotion I found in my google search demonstrates that Baselworld is "promoted" as an "industry trade show" which is

basically geared and promoted to wholesalers and distributors in the industry....not ordinary everyday consumers.

That is where the difference is between Baselworld and shows like the "Auto Show" which travels around our country. Our auto show in the US is promoted to the consumer....just about 100% the reason they have it. Dealerships give out tickets and salesmen are even present at many of the displays to "help" with questions.

The car show is a total consumer oriented show.

Baselworld, on the other hand is an "industry trade show" which does allow visitors as stated. "Visitors can browse through a select assortment of

products."

I think this is a significantly different arrangement than our car shows. One is oriented to the consumer(car show)...the other to industry vendors and distributors(Baselworld).

Visitors are welcome at Baselworld but not the focus or the reason for the event as opposed to the auto show.(certainly from the single search result I found anyhow).

I think your assumption that Baselworld is a "public show" and similar to an "auto show" really couldnt be further from the truth of the matter.

I think a better description would be that Baselworld is an industry trade show in which the public is invited on a "limited basis". It sounds like Gronks observations fit that description also.

Although we may like it to be something "consumer friendly" does not make it so. And I am not saying one trade ad proves this issue...but maybe you can find one which shows that Baselworld is basically a consumer oriented show where the general public is the focus?

From what I can find in a limited search...Baselworld is promoted as "trade industry show" geared to the vendors and wholesalers which is also open to the public on a "limited basis".

It is their show, I suppose they should be able to make the "rules" up since they are spending millions of dollars to make it happen. They also seem to be "up front" about promoting it as such, at least, from the google search item I found.

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Originally Posted by deidler Don't know what that proves exactly. Not unlike our big auto show. The difference is that the auto show seems to solve the problem by having public days. They shouldn't sell tickets and/or watch companies should just have signs that say closed to the public. Or do what SEMA does and close it to the public altogether. In your own post it shows that it is open to the public. It does point out that all of the venue is not accessible. It is opened to the public and therefore the watch companies should show some respect for the visitors who want to spend money on their watches. They want their cake and eat to. They want the exposure without being bothered by their own customers. Shouldn't work that way. For goodness sake they even allow children in for free.

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April 16th, 2006 deidler Re: Bye Bye Invicta The North American International Auto Show does cater to the industry first.

Before it opens to the public. Well technically it caters to the press first, then the industry. Then it opens to the public. Sounds like maybe that is how Basel should conduct themsleves. But I will concede your point. Because reasoning with you makes me have heartburn for some reason. I will leave you with this. Trade shows that sell tickets to the public should have vendors that treat the public in a decent and respectful way. Gotta love a trade show that invites kids free.:roll:

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April 16th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta

Well, all the North American Auto Shows which have come to Cleveland have had what, one day for the press and industry folks....more than that?

And the remaining two weeks for the general public. That is just what I know of the one in Cleveland and am not sure those figures are correct but I could ask some friends in the car business.

So, for all intensive purposes...it is geared to the public.

Like wise, the Baselshow is geared to the industry exclusively. The public appears to be invited to view some merchandise but it is not "geared" to them as you contended in your original post. That is all. No big deal.

You can "hem and haw" all you like...it will not make these two shows similar in any regards. I do not mean this in a critical manner but because you want them to be similar does not make them so. Can they improve it? I dont know that it needs improved. Apparently, it is the biggest and baddest industry watch show in the world. Although some of the other shows do seem to be gaining on them.

Just as we cannot fairly judge a watch company by a small vocal group of watch owners; I dont think you should judge an industry watch show such as Baselworld as being "callous or rude"( my terms for your generalizations) in general, by the treatment of one individual at one particular watch company kiosk. It certainly would be interesting to find an "exit survey" from the Baselworld show to see what kind of remarks the general public had!! I would guess many if not most folks enjoyed the experience.

Good luck with the heartburn, Diedler. There is a medical trade show going on that you might want to visit..... I really think they should provide free first aid for your heartburn for you .....I mean, why not...its open to the public and I think they should!!!!:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D j/k....get better!

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Originally Posted by deidler The North American International Auto Show does cater to the industry first.

Before it opens to the public. Well technically it caters to the press first, then the industry. Then it opens to the public. Sounds like maybe that is how Basel should conduct themsleves. But I will concede your point. Because reasoning with you makes me have heartburn for some reason. I will leave you with this. Trade shows that sell tickets to the public should have vendors that treat the public in a decent and respectful way. Gotta love a trade show that invites kids free.:roll:

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April 16th, 2006 deidler Re: Bye Bye Invicta Well for the record. It is 3 days for the press, 2 days for the industry, 1 day as a charity auction, and 7 days for the public. But I conceded your point. So I don't get the insulting verbiage in your post. I'm done though, UFC is on and it is far more stimulating. I wonder if the let kids in free?

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April 16th, 2006 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta Oh...."insulting verbiage"? Well, I am sure you have heard worse than "hem and haw" but I realize your stomach is upset.

You did tend to imply that treatment at Baselworld was somewhat "callous and rude" in your opinions about the treatment of consumers in your posts.

And I quote: "It is opened(Baselworld) to the public and therefore the watch companies should show some respect for the visitors who want to spend money on their watches.

They want their cake and eat to. They want the exposure without being bothered by their own customers. Shouldn't work that way. For goodness sake they even allow children in for free...." or "Trade shows that sell tickets to the public should have vendors that treat the public in a decent and respectful way."

You seem to imply in a few of your recent posts quoted above that the general public is "not" treated with respect or decently by stating that they " should be treated with respect." This does imply that you do not consider them respectful.

So, as far as my remarks....I think they were based as a response to comments which you wrote. I seriously doubt you meant to offend anyone with your comments just as I did not intend any "hurt feelings" with mine.

Since I have never been to Baselworld to witness it for myself....I can only

speculate that the treatment Simon received was an isolated case. I would hope that it was.

But, I really do think you are comparing the proverbial "apples and oranges" when you state that the N. American Auto Show and BaselWorld are billed in a similar fashion. in your post...just so you dont think I am picking on you... "...Basel is basically billed like an Auto Show. Vendors showing off their products.

Hey public lookey at what I can do. They sell tickets! It is a public show. If vendors don't want to show their goods to their own customers.....They shouldn't show up to the show."

And this was my only issue with what you had to post. Baselworld is not promoted like an "auto show".

Bad manners are never in fashion and the swiss citizens whom I have met have really impressed me as some of the most polite, gracious, and courteous folks I have ever, ever met in my life. I think we could learn a lot from them when it comes to manners. ( I know, I know...it was Eyals American family who was discourteous).

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Originally Posted by deidler Well for the record. It is 3 days for the press, 2 days for the industry, 1 day as a charity auction, and 7 days for the public. But I conceded your point. So I don't get the insulting verbiage in your post. I'm done though, UFC is on and it is far more stimulating. I wonder if the let kids in free?

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April 17th, 2007 DP02SS Re: Bye Bye Invicta Its just a cheap watch:-s If I were at basel or whatever its called the last place I would visit and try to hangout would be the Invicta stand.

I would want to see some $100K stuff! Anyway I have never had a problem with Invicta per say. I recently sent in my Rose tone LBMOP diver that had discolored rose tone. I recently received a new watch in the mail from the service center.|> .

We will see if it lasts but if not it only cost 99 bucks. But for all those that have had bad experiences with Invicta then its your right not to purchase their watches anymore. Personally two is enough for me. I like the high dollar stuff like my Sector 850 that cost me a whopping 275 bucks at TJMaxx(thanks Ken). I know, I know...

I'm a high roller:-d

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DP02SS Re: Bye Bye Invicta :-d Bye the way. TJ Maxx is alot like Basel. The lady behind the counter usually ignores me till I start messing with the wallet.

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April 17th, 2007 John L Good to see you Posting again, Simon Hi Simon:

Good to hear from. First of all, we know how honest you are and I suppose that you could have played yourself off as a jewelry store owner or dealer, but took the high road.

I have heard several stories from Basel that depending on the time of day and how busy the booths are, some vendors will simply say dealers only due to volume rather than be rude.

In either case, the girls could have been more polite.

"We can not always obligue, but we can always speak obligingly."

I assume you were wearing your COSC Speedway too which would made them "dissing" you even more frustrating.

Anyway, bad training for those girls. No matter how busy, they should have at least said: We would like to spend more time discussing our new models with you, but we are preparing to present to many dealers. We truly appreciate having you as a tremendous customer. We would also like to give one of our catalogs, but we are confined to dstributing them to dealers onlya s our supply is limited. If we have any left and you would like to leave your information, we will send one to you.

Even if they were to blow you off, there is a nice way to do it.

You do have to play the game to get good action as Baselworld. I would suggets for those that may venture there int he future, to wear a finely cut suit with polished shoes and the best Swiss Made watch in your collection.

You will not have to pretend to be anything but yourself, but a dapper appearence amongst the hoy paloy is warranted.

Also check Timezone.com as sometimes the forum for Baselworld will have some vendors offering free tickets or free entrance to there private parties or a free drink ticket.

The booths are all about timing as when it is slow you can look gaze for quite a while at the Rolex booth or not even be admitted without press or dealer credentials.

Walking around in street clothes will have you feeling liek a second class citizen there as this is the event where they are al displaying there peacock feathers.

There is never a need for any vendor to be rude. Especially to someone that has purchased their highest offerings like you, Simon.

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April 18th, 2007 DP02SS Re: Bye Bye Invicta Quote:

Originally Posted by o.a gaspar

Rob...That BBB report has been posted for the umpteenth time and we have already concluded that it was W.Palm Beach Only...not the Rest of the U.S http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_19_1.g ifI Will Agree with You on one Point about Invicta.. and that is that They Have Changed since We All were Totally Enthralled by the Brand...They Have Become WORSE :-(The Lies are Bolder The product Is More Expensive and Yet Cheaper by Comparison and to Add Fuel to the Flames they and Most products featured on Slop are Available from Overstock to TJ Maxx for Consideraby Less Than Anywhere Else....Invicta Is Underselling Their Dealers In Every way possible :-|and Furthermore The Hatred Found On Other Forums as I mentioned has Even Spread to the Invicta Forums in the Past year....Coincidentally Coinciding With the Hiring of a Less Than Scrupulous Host To Slop <|<| This Falling out of Love With Invicta Only Became worse When YKW Started Hawking Them..He and Eyal Giggling and Thumbing their noses at the Consumers along with YKW's Constant Sniffling and Snorting is the most Classless Display I Have Ever witnessed ...and This Of Course Has Been My Honest Observation as a Consumer :roll:

Not really. I just got a new watch from Invicta CS after the finish on my diver became discolored. I shipped the old watch and never called them once. I recieved

the new watch out of the blue a couple of months later.

I actually had forgot I sent it to them. It did cost 20 bucks though for shipping. But what the hell, they at least came trough for me. JMHO

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April 18th, 2007 Tragic Re: Bye Bye Invicta This thread is a YEAR old people!

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April 18th, 2007 jakisbck Re: Bye Bye Invicta SO WHATS YOUR POINT SIR:-d :-d :-d :-d :-d :-d J/K I knew that when I first saw it but hey let it run its course maybe B might come back and give us the skinny on Basel 07 again but for those of you who want to see some pics TZ has them up on there site. A must see plus I like to here some of the comments on the new and upcoming pieces especially the new R man imo it looks like a comedy type watch.

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April 19th, 2007 Dragoon Re: Bye Bye Invicta tragicomo, Some threads refuse to die, despite our fondest wishes!!!

I thought those Muhle Glashutte pieces Jocke posted from Basel and the tourbillon Skeleton pocket watch from J. Asselman were incredible. Looked like fun!

I thought the new Rolex yacht master II was sort of gaudish with the words "Yachtmaster II" inscribed on the bezel.

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April 19th, 2007 OWS1 Re: Bye Bye Invicta I just want to say hello while I see all the old gang here:-! or a lot of them anyway.

Now let us move on to some real deal watches and good CS. Best wishes to all the gang here.

Gary http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_2058.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1970.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1928.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1899.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../100_1853s.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1826.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1823.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1816.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1767.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1753.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1700.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1617.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1611.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1546.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1520.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1296.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1232.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1222.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1167.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1150.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...l/100_1116.jpg

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Re: Bye Bye Invicta Gary, Those are some outstanding pieces and pics!!!

Thanks for the view. Any of those on the trading block?

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April 19th, 2007 jakisbck Re: Bye Bye Invicta Wow Gary some nice pics:-! Now that last Orient I see three crowns, (2) are screw downs and the other is.......................................? also which do what? if you get my question

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Originally Posted by jakisbck Wow Gary some nice pics:-! Now that last Orient I see three crowns, (2) are screw downs and the other is.......................................? also which do what? if you get my question

Bottom which is not screw down is for Inner compass bezel:-) Top screw down for date.

Currently None on sales block, just wanted to show how easy it is to dance around Invicta.

Not one of these pictured has ever given me a problem, unlike the Invicta group I own. I must be one of the hardest headed people in the world, because I kept giving Invicta another opportunity and they continue to be consistent in there failings.

Now I will reveal the straw that broke the camels back for me.

Several weeks ago I decided to give Invicta a shot with the Reserve collection. So I ordered the Reserve Speedway. Got it and went over it with a fine tooth comb, " I thought" . Took some pictures and actually wore for two days but held judgment as I had been made to look stupid on several occasions. I would rave about some piece to see it fall on its ass just a few weeks later, you know this story. Well I had taken some shots or the Reserve and was wearing it when I got a call from the oldcrowe and he said look your pictures closely. Well I am not even going to tell you how bad I felt, nor will I admit how stupid I felt for not seeing this. But when it was there best and I

even saw the box checked off on there special check list that this was checked as OK, well just say that was it. Reserve or what ever they call it, they still turn out crap. So back it went and I am totally done with Invicta......

Please do not do as I have done and keep wasting money and time on this junk..

Now here is the picture of Invicta's best. Do you see a problem??

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April 20th, 2007 Diego Montoya Re: Bye Bye Invicta Shirley, Tim Temple wouldn't sell Nvicta's on his new show? (anyone notice he's having a serious liquidation of his HAIR?)

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I always liked Tim. Enjoyed his humor. But his side kick the Watch Commander makes my hair stand up:-!