Follow up regarding the invicta ii classique boutique diamonds being crystals

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Follow-Up Regarding The Invicta II Classique Boutique Diamonds Being Crystals

I opened a thread a few days ago regarding the Invicta II Women's Classique Boutique Quartz Diamond Accent Stainless Steel Bracelet Watch - J179607, that I bought for my wife.

To recap, a diamond accent stone fell out of the bezel, and I brought it to a local jeweler to replace it. Upon inspection the jeweler said the accent stones were not diamonds but crystals. I spoke to the jeweler today, and he said he will draft an appraisal attesting to this by the end of the week.

It was reported on my original thread that there was a mistake and two versions of this watch were made. One being a diamond version and the other a crystal version. Each were made for a different market, and the case backs got the same model number by mistake.

Invicta and ShopNBC are looking into the few customers who got the crystal version by mistake, and will contact them to make matters right. As of this post I haven't heard from either ShopNBC's or Invicta's customer service. I'm sure it's a tough job going through the over 3200 watches that were sold, for the few customers who received the crystal version instead of the diamond version. If I don't hear from either customer service shortly, I'll notify them. My wife really enjoys the look of the watch, and to make matters right we'll most likely exchange the the crystal version we received by mistake for the diamond version.

For those geeks who wanted to be updated on this matter, the above is the most up to date information I have. __________________

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2 versions, 1 model number? weird to say the least. __________________

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I hope I am getting the Diamond Version that I expected. I ordered this same watch for my Wife Sunday. Is should be here Friday.

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Diamonds VS Crystals

FYI, in most cases the crystal versions look a lot better than the diamond ones when you are deal with 1 to 5 point diamonds. It all depends on the quality of the diamonds.

I have seen the Stuhrling womens watches, same models in both and the crystals looked much better. When you get down to diamonds that small the crystals are really not that much less expensive either.

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Well, it is good you posted this.

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Originally Posted by JavaQueen Well, it is good you posted this.

Yes, I agree...good you posted the update Timeman. Big companies make small mistakes (sometimes big; think BP) and it happens. God only know how many mistakes I've made in business and I am successful (at least I think so ).

It was also GREAT to see Jim literally jump all over this situation right away as well. Says something about him and his loyalty to his customers...seriously.

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Keep up in the loop, I know Jim will help you out... __________________ Joe

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Thanks for the update jerry, Kudos to shop to be all over this so quickly and trying to get it straightend out. My daughter had her's tested at work today.....they are diamonds, so she is cool. __________________

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Thanks for the update jerry, Kudos to shop to be all over this so quickly and trying to get it straightend out. My daughter had her's tested at work today.....they are diamonds, so she is cool.

Happy to hear it Jim. Even thought J179607 is listed as closed, they still had about 20 available when my original thread came out. I'm hoping they were locked down due to SNBC's and Invicta's investigation into this matter.

I think if anyone has any doubt they should have their watch appraised also. __________________

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Man u know how women hate fake stones especially when they thik they r real U can really get into the dog house that way __________________

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Originally Posted by aquacleaner Man u know how women hate fake stones especially when they thik they r real U can really get into the dog house that way This incident didn't help me getting on her good side to offset my watch purchases. lol. __________________

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Keep us up to date. I feel a little better as a result of your post but you're the one who has the watch. I still think Invicta should get it together. __________________

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Originally Posted by kingswords Keep us up to date. I feel a little better as a result of your post but you're the one who has the watch. I still think Invicta should get it together.

I don't know how SNBC and Invicta will determine who got the crystal model. You would think the watches are already in the yellow box, and just needs packaging. Furthermore, the watches don't have serial number to know which ones are diamonds or crystal. That's why I'm going to notify them shortly. __________________

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I got an Android Octopuz with diamonds from the 12 to 3 on the Bezel. It came with a certificate signed by Wing.

I don't know yet if I have the crystal or diamond Classique. I know in the scheme of things this isn't high on the priority list; however, hearing this story and reading some of the findings is reiterating my interest to check out the one I have.

I must clarify that I was under the impression from the sales pitch that these watches had real diamonds on the bezel and reading the crystal/diamond mix up story; is a mystery I'd like solved. __________________

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Originally Posted by sherm I must clarify that I was under the impression from the sales pitch that these watches had real diamonds on the bezel and reading the crystal/diamond mix up story; is a mystery I'd like solved.

It was in the sales pitch during the original presentation on June 29th and subsequent ones.

It was mentioned numerous times that the watch had 42 genuine diamonds, on the bezel and links by the case. Not only was it mentioned on air, it's listed on the web site under the J#. There was NEVER any mention of there being a crystal version up to my original thread. __________________

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With the same model number an no serial number on either the watch with diamonds or the one with crystals, I think Shop is going to have some trouble determining who got which one. I don't envy anyone THAT task. kdh1949 View Public Profile Send a private message to kdh1949 Send email to kdh1949 Find all posts by kdh1949 Add kdh1949 to Your Contacts #21 Today, 09:01 AM

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Thanks for the followup Timeman, but is there any new information here that wasn't in your original thread?

EDIT: After posting this and reading it, it sounded like I was taking a shot at you Timeman, which isn't the case at all. I was just wondering what was in this thread to make anyone "feel better" about this debacle? __________________

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Originally Posted by kdh1949 With the same model number an no serial number on either the watch with diamonds or the one with crystals, I think Shop is going to have some trouble determining who got which one. I don't envy anyone THAT task.

If the stone didn't fall out which resulted going to the jeweler, my wife would still think she had a diamond watch. I'm sure most of the people who have the crystal version have no idea the stones are not diamonds. That's why it's imperative that SNBC and Invicta determines who has these watches and notifies them. __________________

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Originally Posted by Onceinawhile Thanks for the followup Timeman, but is there any new information here that wasn't in your original thread?

EDIT: After posting this and reading it, it sounded like I was taking a shot at you Timeman, which isn't the case at all. I was just wondering what was in this thread to make anyone "feel better" about this debacle?

The only new news is I'm still waiting to hear from either SNBC or Invicta on this matter. It was requested that people who received the crystal version should wait and not call CS, because it was still being worked on by management. So if you did call the CS representative would probably have no idea what you were talking about. However, if I don't hear something by the beginning of next week, I'll notify both CS departments. There is

really nothing to feel better about at the moment in my case. Hopefully there will be shortly. __________________

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Thanks for replying Time __________________

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First, I don't think that any questions have actually yet been answered. The reply was too vague and doesn't make any sense when you think about it. Of course, we can't blame Jim for that because snbc has asked him not to comment, so he needs to be very careful about whatever he says.

I don't have access to the one I purchased as it was given as a gift. I do know that the model number on the caseback was '0132'. When I go to the Invicta website and search for this model number, I can't locate it.

I have purchased several other Classique models that have diamond accents, it SEEMS to me this was the first one that was produced with fake diamonds, and has a model number that I can't locate on the Invicta website .... when it was stated that "different models were produced for different markets" .... that's very vague, but can we imply from that then that the crystal version was made just for ShopNBC? AND, if that is the case, then wouldn't we expect that all of the inventory were crystal versions and not real diamond versions? That is just an assumption of course, but given the circumstances it appeas it could be logical.

BUT, if in fact only a few were crystal versions and the rest were real diamonds, how can ShopNBC know which customers received which versions in order to contact them? Does ShopNBC plan to contact all purchasers? That seems to be a legitimate question. If there were only a few with crystals, then there are a lot of cusomters out there with this watch that have actual diamonds, and someone should be able to take it in and get them verified and report here. If we could even hear one report from one customer that they bought this watch and verified that it had real diamonds as advertised, then I would feel a lot better about the whole situation.

Yes, this could just be a simple "caseback / inventory" mistake that just involves a "few" watches ..... BUT, it could also be something much worse than that. And the point is, without receiving some detailed answers we do not know which is the case. Given the recent history with Invicta the inclination at this point is not to give them the benefit of the doubt, and they should recognize that, and they should proactively be coming forth with all of the details.

By the way, although shop no longer lists this model as available, there are some in inventory at WOW. I have emailed the CS at WOW and asked them if they can verify for me whether or not the models they currently have in stock feature real diamonds (as described) or whether they are acutally made with crystals. I am waiting to hear back from them. __________________ "He who marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, for him a spinal cord would fully suffice" - Albert Einstein

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WTH? Crystal. Really? This reminds me of the specially made, LE, Meteorite Lupah last year where "some" had mineral crystals instead of Flame Fusion. The SHOP needs to sends a letter to anyone who purchased one letting them know they may not have diamonds.

A couple years ago there was another issue with the Renato Carat count and quality of some models. From what I remember Daniel Mink was all over it since it was his reputation on the line. I don't expect this issue will get any attention, but it wouldn't surprise me if "mix ups" like this are more common than we know. Where models intended for different global markets get mashed together. Just sayin this doesn't surprise me. __________________

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Sometimes the Invicta descriptions themselves can be in error- about 4 years ago there was an uproar when the 3824 LE Diamond Diver description inadvertently listed the diamond hour markers as "CZ's." The diamonds were later verified by Eyal himself and the item correction was promptly made. morrison2951 View Public Profile Send a private message to morrison2951 Find all posts by morrison2951 Add morrison2951 to Your Contacts #29 Today, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink By the way, although shop no longer lists this model as available, there are some in inventory at WOW. I have emailed the CS at WOW and asked them if they can verify for me whether or not the models they currently have in stock feature real diamonds (as described) or whether they are acutally made with crystals. I am waiting to hear back from them.

Ya know I just have to ask but just how are they going to know? Do you think they are going to open packages and look? Maybe randomly take 5 or 8 watches to a jeweler and ask them to verify they are real diamonds?

Seriously why drag WoW into this by even questioning them? Why not just call Rebeca at Invicta and ask her ... nobody has yet to make that suggestion.

In the end it will probably turn out it was all a typo in the descriptions and it should have read diamond like accents or something like that.

I bought the quartz 3 hander Classique J179021 with the blue sandstone when it aired months ago. The description says "20 authentic white diamond accents"? Do I think they are diamonds? Did I buy it because of the "20 authentic white diamond accents"? No I dont

think they are authentic diamods and they glass bits on the bezel had nothing to do with the purchase. I honestly wish they were not there at all and it was just a smooth plain bezel and they almost kept from purchasing the watch because the look is gaudy and have no diamond look at all to them.

Sorry about that little rant but come on people ... do we really need to make a Supreme Court case out of this? Do we honestly believe them to be diamonds and if they are to be of any quality? Possibly under the crystals are little time diamond dust chips and crystals are there to protect the diamond dust chips but do we really need to make a supreme court case out of this?

If anyone is not happy with this they should call ShopNBC, tell them they are not satisfied with the product and they think it was improperly described and they want to return it and have there shipping charges refunded because it is not what they said it was and then just be done with it all.

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If something is advertised and promoted as having 42 diamonds don't you think the buyer should expect diamonds? Doesn't matter if they're diamond accents. Still should be diamond - not crystal. nferr View Public Profile Send a private message to nferr Find all posts by nferr Add nferr to Your Contacts #31 Today, 10:53 AM Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 5,069 Real Name: Jerry

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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink If we could even hear one report from one customer that they bought this watch and verified that it had real diamonds as advertised, then I would feel a lot better about the whole situation.

From post #11 of this thread.

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Originally Posted by WatchGeek4Life

Thanks for the update jerry, Kudos to shop to be all over this so quickly and trying to get it straightend out. My daughter had her's tested at work today.....they are diamonds, so she is cool. __________________

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Thanks Jerry ... guess I missed that. Well, that does make me feel a little bit better, at least there were some of these produced with real diamonds. So that means that this was not just a mixup in the description.

By the way, is this the identical watch??: http://www.smartbargains.com/go.sb?p...eptid=6&isrw=4 __________________ "He who marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, for him a spinal cord would fully suffice" - Albert Einstein WatchYaThink View Public Profile Send a private message to WatchYaThink

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This whole thing is really crazy. Same serial number for diamonds vs crystals models?

Doesn't make good sense to me.

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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink Thanks Jerry ... guess I missed that. Well, that does make me feel a little bit better, at least there were some of these produced with real diamonds. So that means that this was not just a mixup in the description.

By the way, is this the identical watch??: http://www.smartbargains.com/go.sb?p...eptid=6&isrw=4 My wife's watch is the two tone, it does look very similar. __________________

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Now, I don't want to step on anyone's shoes but think that there has been no resolution for this situation. Yes, it's is reassuring that Jim has made statements but like he said, it's a customer service issue. Unfortunately Jim has to wear many hats, so to speak. But, I for one, feel a little 'unsettled' regarding this matter. This seeems to be another case of mistaken identity. Crystal issues with the Reseve Lupah were found to not be Flame Fusion as presented, the D.D. movement issues, and now this particular watch, found to have crystals instead of diamonds as marketed. Obviously, this is not a Shop NBC isssue, but come on Invicta.....Get It Together. I love Invicta's time pieces and will continue to purchase but as Jim stated about this particular watch, "These are serious accusations." Is it that Invicta has become so large that quality control and attention to detail is not their highest priority? What do you guy's think? andrea View Public Profile Send a private message to andrea Find all posts by andrea Add andrea to Your Contacts #36 Today, 02:38 PM

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Trying to stay within the rules set by an owner of the site, I will say this. Too many problems over too many watches for me to consider a new Invicta, been that way for me since January. And I agree it is not a Shop problem overall. __________________ You mean what time is it now? tampa8 View Public Profile Send a private message to tampa8 Find all posts by tampa8 Add tampa8 to Your Contacts

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Originally Posted by timeman My wife's watch is the two tone, it does look very similar.

Here's the two tone

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http://www.overstock.com Today: $27.49 But this one has Crystals in it, not Diamonds.

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This is a photo of the two tone from SBNC.

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